Speaker 1: This is Conversations with Olivia Jade and I Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Conversations. Today's guest. If
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the ABC franchise, I think you'll definitely
Speaker 1: know who she is. She's been on Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: she's been on The Bachelor, She's hosted The Bachelorette. Um,
Speaker 1: she's really involved herself in the whole space, and I'm
Speaker 1: so curious from just like the little things to like
Speaker 1: where she started and how she got here. And I
Speaker 1: think probably a lot of you are curious as well
Speaker 1: if you're a fan. So I'm very excited to have
Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristow on the podcast today and I really hope
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this episode. Hi, Hi, oh, look how
Speaker 1: cute your background is? Well, yeah, I it's wallpaper and
Speaker 1: a Neon sign and I yeah, it's my little like
Speaker 1: ladies lounge. I call it. I love that. That's so cute. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for coming on,
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Your hair looks great. That color,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I just died it and I
Speaker 1: don't know what came over me to thank you that. Um,
Speaker 1: did you just get back from the tour. Did it
Speaker 1: just end? Um? So they got it ended at the
Speaker 1: end of March. Okay, so you've been I've been done
Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah, it feels like it was just
Speaker 1: ended yesterday. But I'm also like, brain fog is so
Speaker 1: real for me right now because I was in Mexico
Speaker 1: and when you get back from vacation, everybody always says
Speaker 1: you need a vacation from a vacation because of that
Speaker 1: kind of vacation. So I don't mind my brain fog today,
Speaker 1: no worries about all. Um, Well, you want to tell
Speaker 1: everybody a little bit about yourself today we have Caitlin
Speaker 1: Bristow on the podcast. I'm so excited and um we
Speaker 1: can just jump right into it. But for those maybe
Speaker 1: who don't know you, Yeah, where you come from everything.
Speaker 1: I come from a teeny tiny little town in Alberta
Speaker 1: called La Duke in Canada, and I grew up there.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dancer my whole life. That's
Speaker 1: what my mom was, a professional ballerina. I wanted to
Speaker 1: follow in her footsteps. I had this whole dream of
Speaker 1: being a dancer. I moved to Vancouver, Canada to be
Speaker 1: a part of a dance company. It didn't work out
Speaker 1: for me, and then I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick up my stuff and move with
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, who was a hockey player, very Canadian of me,
Speaker 1: and we moved kind of all over the place, and
Speaker 1: I ended up completely losing myself and it was just
Speaker 1: a shell of myself because I was living somebody else's life.
Speaker 1: And my girlfriend was like, you need to go on
Speaker 1: the Bachelor when because we broke up, obviously, because you
Speaker 1: need to go on the Bachelor. And I was like,
Speaker 1: do they even pick Canadians, like Canadians go on that show?
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, they always picked Canadians, and
Speaker 1: so she filled out all the information for me, kind
Speaker 1: of sent in my application and they ended up calling
Speaker 1: me a year later. So I was on Season nineteen
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, and then I become become became season
Speaker 1: eleven Bachelorette, and then from there I went on to
Speaker 1: start my podcast Off the Vine, and I started a
Speaker 1: wine label called Spade and Sparrows, and I have a
Speaker 1: hair accessory line called Do Edit, and then I ended
Speaker 1: up winning Dancing with the Stars period that as boss
Speaker 1: Woman in a nutshell it's actually so crazy to think though,
Speaker 1: because something like The Bachelor has presented so many opportunities
Speaker 1: and like completely changed your life and you're one of
Speaker 1: like the O G s. I would say, because I
Speaker 1: feel like now the show was so different. Yes, and
Speaker 1: just like because I remember watching like I was always
Speaker 1: an avid fan of the show with my mom. I'd
Speaker 1: like make her, I'd force her to watch it with me,
Speaker 1: and I was like way too young to probably even
Speaker 1: understand what was going on. Um, but I remember your season,
Speaker 1: and then I remember a few seasons after, and then
Speaker 1: obviously with the rise of social media, I feel like
Speaker 1: it changed so much. Yes, but I have so many
Speaker 1: questions about like me just being a super fan, but
Speaker 1: like really like the old school kind of Bachelor vibe
Speaker 1: because I feel like now maybe maybe I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: I feel like now it's turned into like sometimes people
Speaker 1: go on for maybe hoping like for this world that
Speaker 1: some have created after and I think like when you
Speaker 1: guys all went on it, that was like a genuine
Speaker 1: like it was a dating show. It really was, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was so genuine. I mean I knew that you
Speaker 1: could make a name for yourself, like I knew some
Speaker 1: people went on to like, you know, hosting gigs like
Speaker 1: on E News or whatever, if you know, if that
Speaker 1: was they chose to go that route. But social media
Speaker 1: was not um what it is today. And I genuinely
Speaker 1: went on being like like, if I fall in love,
Speaker 1: that's great. If I build something from it, that's also great.
Speaker 1: But social media was not you know, the way of
Speaker 1: the world that you couldn't build a business or a
Speaker 1: platform the way you can now. You couldn't make money
Speaker 1: off of it. It wasn't like a thing where I
Speaker 1: went on to the show and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get a bunch of Instagram followers, Like that
Speaker 1: thought never crossed my mind. And I feel like it
Speaker 1: was on my season where social media really kind of
Speaker 1: started to blow up with people following people from the show.
Speaker 1: So it was a wild experience. Did you feel like
Speaker 1: when you were off the show just such a big
Speaker 1: like switch in your world of like walking down the
Speaker 1: street and having people know you now, And was that
Speaker 1: like kind of weird to adjust? It was and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. My parents and my sister and
Speaker 1: everyone always was like, Caitlin, you were out for this lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Like so when like my whole life, I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to be maybe like a backup dancer or
Speaker 1: do movies or TV with dancing. Like I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to do something. Um So when this happened,
Speaker 1: my whole family was kind of like, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: you went on the Bachelor. That's so something you would do,
Speaker 1: that's where And so when it happened, of course it
Speaker 1: was not normal to walk down the street and have
Speaker 1: people recognize me. But it was just like the transition
Speaker 1: was so weird because I would turned from like an
Speaker 1: extrovert into an introvert. And I think that was the
Speaker 1: weirdest transition for me because I was so outgoing. I
Speaker 1: was always out I was always talking everybody, making new friends,
Speaker 1: and everyone would have been like Caitlin's the biggest extrovert.
Speaker 1: And then when I came off the show, it was
Speaker 1: almost like I enjoyed my personal time and my personal
Speaker 1: space and I didn't trust anybody, and it was more
Speaker 1: like that's what changed for me. I actually relate to
Speaker 1: that a lot as well. Obviously I wasn't on The Bachelor,
Speaker 1: but um, I do feel like when like certain parts
Speaker 1: of life and certain aspects get like a little bit
Speaker 1: more public, it comp like made me go the opposite yeah,
Speaker 1: and just want to like keep everything super private and
Speaker 1: not have like that judgment or whatever it is. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think it can even be like subconscious sometimes. For sure,
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even realize I was doing that.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of my close friends. We actually had
Speaker 1: this whole debate one time with Jason, my fiance, was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Caitlin is such an introvert. And then it was with
Speaker 1: all of my friends who have known me for so long,
Speaker 1: and they're like, she's not. She's actually an extrovert, but
Speaker 1: this situation has made her go inwards, like and we
Speaker 1: had this whole debate about it because I would have
Speaker 1: thought after I came off of a TV show, I
Speaker 1: would have loved like meeting new people and being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, like take a photo. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought I would be like so comfortable with that. Um.
Speaker 1: But weirdly, yeah, I went inward and obviously you can
Speaker 1: understand that, yeah totally. And then you were the bachelorette.
Speaker 1: How was that experience? So weird? Dating like so many
Speaker 1: guys at once and having to choose it feels so
Speaker 1: wrong because you would never do that in the outside world,
Speaker 1: but you really have to compartmentalize, like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: not the outside world. This is a TV show, So
Speaker 1: you've got to make TV and you've got to make
Speaker 1: good TV. Um, but you also are trying to find love,
Speaker 1: and that is a real thing. And it was you know,
Speaker 1: I went my whole life not knowing how. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never been on a reality TV show before. I've
Speaker 1: never experienced television, so it was I I went onto
Speaker 1: The Bachelor like pretty naive, and you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that producers had to make a TV show, whereas
Speaker 1: when I was a bachelorette, I was like, okay, like
Speaker 1: let's make some good TV and let's fall in love.
Speaker 1: And that was like the most dangerous combination because I
Speaker 1: ended up, you know, hurting so many people's feelings and um,
Speaker 1: losing people's trust and constantly disappointing everybody, and then just
Speaker 1: ended up being so hard on myself because the thing
Speaker 1: that I hate the most in life is disappointing people
Speaker 1: I care about, and that's what I felt like. I
Speaker 1: just constantly was doing well. People were judging me for it.
Speaker 1: But looking back now, I mean, it's been so many
Speaker 1: years is that I would have said, like, it was hell.
Speaker 1: It was really honestly hell for me to go through that,
Speaker 1: But I would do it all over again. And I
Speaker 1: just think, like, it's like you said earlier, It's gotten
Speaker 1: me so many opportunities and I feel like I'm just
Speaker 1: able to live the life that I'm like, I love
Speaker 1: doing podcasting, I love having a wine label, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had that without the show. So um years later,
Speaker 1: I'm able to look back at it with like, see
Speaker 1: the positives. Yeah, yeah, for sure, I know, but I
Speaker 1: feel like, also, that's not really your fault. You did
Speaker 1: have like literally you had to date all the different guys,
Speaker 1: So I mean that's the format of the show. I
Speaker 1: had fun for the first Yeah, it was fun for
Speaker 1: the first like a few weeks, because you know, you've
Speaker 1: got a bunch of good looking dudes and they're all like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Caitlin, and they put you on the pedestal.
Speaker 1: And then after a while you're like, oh, ship, this
Speaker 1: gets really real. Yeah. Then you actually start to like
Speaker 1: feel for these people, and like, even if it's not
Speaker 1: like in an in love way, you're like, well, I
Speaker 1: still care and I don't want to hurt you because
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I like hate disappointing people. I
Speaker 1: would I think I've hurt anybody's feelings. I'm like so
Speaker 1: messed up over it. I feel so bad, So I
Speaker 1: cannot imagine doing that. And then after Bachelorette time has
Speaker 1: gone on living life, you end up posting the Double
Speaker 1: Bachelorette season, right, Yes, that was Yes? How was that?
Speaker 1: It was that weird? And how did that come about?
Speaker 1: And then like, not why you because you're amazing, but
Speaker 1: did you stay connected with the franchise to that when
Speaker 1: obviously Chris Harrison had to leave, Like, I'm just so
Speaker 1: curious about how that came about. I still am kind
Speaker 1: of curious about how that all played out, because I
Speaker 1: keep thinking, like, how did I get Like what turn
Speaker 1: did I take in life that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: taking over a role that was such an important role
Speaker 1: and some and one that had been you know, the
Speaker 1: role that has been filled for so long by the
Speaker 1: same consistent person who was so good at his job
Speaker 1: and everyone knew he was the face of the franchise.
Speaker 1: And so it was interesting because I did keep in
Speaker 1: test with so many people from you know, the show
Speaker 1: producers or certain people I had like bad blood with
Speaker 1: because I felt manipulated. Um but you know, we all
Speaker 1: after time and healing, you can come around and see
Speaker 1: that they were just doing their jobs. But um so
Speaker 1: I kept to touch with certain people and then I
Speaker 1: kind of was like I felt like maybe even a
Speaker 1: bit blacklisted from the show after for a while because
Speaker 1: I was so bitter and I'm a very like honest
Speaker 1: person who speaks my mind about everything, and I probably
Speaker 1: said a little too much and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: don't bite the hand that feeds you, like we'll show
Speaker 1: you kind of thing. And so it was a bit
Speaker 1: of like shock like butting heads for a little while
Speaker 1: after that. But I think after, you know, after I
Speaker 1: broke up with my past relationship from the show, I
Speaker 1: realized how much of a platform that was for me
Speaker 1: to live a life that I wanted to live and
Speaker 1: then kind of got back in the good books. And
Speaker 1: I was so shocked because when they called me to
Speaker 1: do that, I was like, is it a hosting role?
Speaker 1: And are like, we're not really sure what it's gonna
Speaker 1: look like, like they're kind of trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out as time goes on, too, so they were like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a mentor role, ummun Tasia would
Speaker 1: kind of go in and, you know, help with the
Speaker 1: bachelorette and talk her through some things that only a
Speaker 1: handful of people that could do, you know, women having
Speaker 1: conversations that they couldn't have with Chris Harrison. But it's
Speaker 1: more of a mentor role, not um not host. And
Speaker 1: then we got there and we were doing the show
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, this is definitely hosting, Like we're
Speaker 1: doing the final here's the final rows and going in
Speaker 1: for the certain parts and like tinking the glass to
Speaker 1: be like okay giving out there. So then the next season,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we're hosting. So then I got
Speaker 1: it in my head that like we could potentially be
Speaker 1: hosts of the show, and I thought it made so
Speaker 1: much sense because if I had a woman that was
Speaker 1: helping me there, that had been in my shoes before,
Speaker 1: that would have well, I mean, it might have changed everything.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a good idea, but I feel like
Speaker 1: it just would helped mentally so much more to have
Speaker 1: someone empower you and validate your insecurities and everything that
Speaker 1: you're going through. So um, I just kind of had
Speaker 1: now put my head in the space of like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I could potentially host this, So it was a
Speaker 1: little sad when they didn't go with us again and Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: but I get having a consistent host and but yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with the heck um no, but that's amazing.
Speaker 1: You guys did a really great job on that. I'll
Speaker 1: stop about The Bachelor now because you have so many
Speaker 1: other things, just super fan. We obviously both did Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars. You won Dancing with the Stars, which
Speaker 1: is so exciting and I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: people unless you've been on the show. And I was
Speaker 1: talking about this recently with some buddy who was at
Speaker 1: a dinner with me and we had like started talking
Speaker 1: randomly and she was like, I had a Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars and like randomly came up, and I was like,
Speaker 1: people don't understand how tiring that show is and how
Speaker 1: much work goes into it and you want it. It
Speaker 1: is literally the definition of blood, sweat and tears. Like
Speaker 1: you put everything into it mentally, physically, emotionally. It's so
Speaker 1: draining and so much work and so many hours of
Speaker 1: your day. Like people really don't know until there unless
Speaker 1: they've been on the show, Like how much work you
Speaker 1: put into it, and I just remember, like in the
Speaker 1: last three weeks of it, I was like, send me home,
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. But you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: would be like with then I'd get on the dance
Speaker 1: floor and be like, I can't go home. But like
Speaker 1: my ribs were injured, my ankle was injured. I was
Speaker 1: just like in pain the whole time. And I just
Speaker 1: like had that mentality of like you just gotta get
Speaker 1: to another day and then the next decade, and you
Speaker 1: just got to get through another day. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: you did so great on the show. You were one
Speaker 1: of our favorites. You're so sweet. Thank you. I was
Speaker 1: so nervous because I've never danced before, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this show, if this could be,
Speaker 1: this could do the exact opposite. I want people to
Speaker 1: like see my personality, but like what if I had
Speaker 1: just come across and it's so embarrassing and I can't dance.
Speaker 1: But I honestly had so much fun doing it that
Speaker 1: I like made it worth it. But you know what's
Speaker 1: funny too, I remember, like you know how they make
Speaker 1: you do those interviews after like every probably twice a week,
Speaker 1: or something where you go in and then you sit
Speaker 1: there for hours and then you leave and then you
Speaker 1: go back to practice or whatever it was. I missed
Speaker 1: one of them one time, my agents calling me like
Speaker 1: where are you. They're all like they have to leave whatever,
Speaker 1: and I just remember like sobbing on my bed. I
Speaker 1: was so stressed. I was like, no, I can't do it,
Speaker 1: like I'm tired, and it's brutal. It really is. It
Speaker 1: really is a brutal process that's obviously like you get
Speaker 1: so much out of it, and then when it's just
Speaker 1: finished and then you go home, you're like, it was
Speaker 1: such a whirlwind and it changes your whole life in perspective,
Speaker 1: and you like feel like you've accomplished so much, and
Speaker 1: then it just ends so abruptly and then you're like
Speaker 1: what just happened? And then literally would would never do
Speaker 1: something like that again. But then you miss you know,
Speaker 1: your partner and everybody around and the Monday nights it's
Speaker 1: so far you partners with again Artom Artom right, he's
Speaker 1: so lovely. And then when you when you were going
Speaker 1: on tour, where you like hesitant at all or was
Speaker 1: it just like I'm down zero hesitation? I because because
Speaker 1: of my passion for dance my whole life. I was like,
Speaker 1: if you told me I was going to tour on
Speaker 1: a tour bus, dancing with professionals, like in different cities
Speaker 1: on a bus, I was like, this is a dream
Speaker 1: come true. So um yeah, zero hesitation. I was like,
Speaker 1: sign me up, I'll do the whole tour. How was
Speaker 1: the tour because you got to be with like 'm
Speaker 1: On and Amanda and some people from my season who
Speaker 1: I adore. Also, how funny is them? On? He is
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people I've ever come across
Speaker 1: my whole life. Here just the happiest, funniest, most chill,
Speaker 1: laid back, coolest, Like I just we ended up bonding
Speaker 1: so much because we were always backstage, like not in
Speaker 1: all of the dances, so we would learn the choreography
Speaker 1: together backstage and like do hilarious versions of the show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was so fun being on tour. I
Speaker 1: truly thought it would be way harder than it was.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, being away, um on a bus,
Speaker 1: sleeping on a bus every night, trying to podcast and
Speaker 1: run my business as while being on the road. Like
Speaker 1: it was hard. Of course, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 1: I loved every second of it so much because I
Speaker 1: got along so well with everybody and there was no
Speaker 1: drama and it was just surprisingly like easy and and
Speaker 1: fun and we just like bonded. It felt like family.
Speaker 1: And um, I missed the bus nights so much, not
Speaker 1: the sleeping part, but like the bonding, game nights, drinking wine,
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. Yeah, I feel like also
Speaker 1: with at least with my season, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: similar to you as well, Like you get so close
Speaker 1: with everybody on the show at the time, just because
Speaker 1: like everybody feels like they really understand what each one
Speaker 1: is going through, and like, I feel so lucky with
Speaker 1: the people I had on my season because I'm like
Speaker 1: somewhere like posing age with me, and then some were
Speaker 1: just like such great mentors to have around. And then
Speaker 1: we had like me Laura, who was like mom figure
Speaker 1: to me, and then like a mom who I would
Speaker 1: like just hang with most of my time. And then
Speaker 1: I had Jokeo, who was like a little sister, adorable,
Speaker 1: fun to be around. So you did have a good
Speaker 1: season of people. I remember being like, oh, that looks
Speaker 1: like fun, and everybody like what's crazy is it's so competitive,
Speaker 1: but everybody's also rooting for each other because you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, what you're going through. And so it's
Speaker 1: such a unique atmosphere because I'm the most competitive person
Speaker 1: going like I need to check myself even in my
Speaker 1: relationship sometimes because I'm so competitive. And so for me
Speaker 1: it was so interesting because I was like, Wow, I'm
Speaker 1: really like rooting for the people that are up against me.
Speaker 1: And it's because you you do. You just understand what
Speaker 1: you're going through and it becomes a family. But I
Speaker 1: will say our season was so different from any other
Speaker 1: one because ours was right like covid D and we
Speaker 1: couldn't even hang out with each other, like it was nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think ours we were supposed to not hang out
Speaker 1: with one another and they would like try and be strict.
Speaker 1: But I think also by that time it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a free for all um, so it kind
Speaker 1: of worked out. But when you were on tour, was
Speaker 1: it hard being away from obviously like Jason and I
Speaker 1: saw you have two dogs. Yes, oh my gosh, they're
Speaker 1: right now. It was really hard to be away from them.
Speaker 1: But this is not really a good thing. But I
Speaker 1: was prepped for it because of filming back to back
Speaker 1: Bachelor at seasons and from being Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: Like we were kind of in this mentality that we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we get to miss each other and we'll like you know.
Speaker 1: But but that being said, it was actually really hard.
Speaker 1: And we're supposed to be planning a wedding and when
Speaker 1: I came back, he was gone on a book tour
Speaker 1: and we've kind of been like, gosh, we need to
Speaker 1: reconnect because we want to plan this wedding and we
Speaker 1: are so disconnected from being apart and being so busy
Speaker 1: that now that I mean, he's coming home tonight from
Speaker 1: New York and we're like, let's just like sit down
Speaker 1: and talk because we have not been able to do that.
Speaker 1: So it's also like so hard I feel like in
Speaker 1: a relationship too, because it's so much about like spending
Speaker 1: that quality time and like keeping the romance alive. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that that went out the window for us because we
Speaker 1: were just both so busy and then realized how important
Speaker 1: that quality time is and and needing to make up
Speaker 1: for lost time because when we got back it was like, wait,
Speaker 1: like what have you been doing and what's going Like
Speaker 1: he would come to you know, a couple of cities.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's really hard. Relationships are hard in general,
Speaker 1: and when you're doing long distance and both have your
Speaker 1: own careers and trying to plan a wedding, like it's
Speaker 1: relationships are so hard totally. And he was a part
Speaker 1: of Bachelor franchise as well. Yeah, yes, but he was
Speaker 1: on somebody else's season before, Yes, I remember correctly. So
Speaker 1: he was on Beca Koufran's season. I remember that, yes,
Speaker 1: And it was so funny because of of course I
Speaker 1: had this three and a half year engagement from the show,
Speaker 1: and that is pretty like crazy for you know, usually
Speaker 1: at that point people will stay together because it's been
Speaker 1: three and a half years and usually you know by
Speaker 1: that point. But um, so when we broke up, I
Speaker 1: was like, never again while I date somebody in the
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise, Like I didn't even want to date anyone
Speaker 1: that was like I had anything to do with social
Speaker 1: media or wanted to some normal dude. I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought it was so hot if people in Evans.
Speaker 1: Instagram was like hot. Um. And then I interviewed him
Speaker 1: on my podcast and I was like, ship, he's cute.
Speaker 1: That's really connected. Was an interview yeah. Yeah. I went
Speaker 1: out to Seattle to visit a friend, um, and I
Speaker 1: was like, who's in Seattle that I could interview from
Speaker 1: like bachelor franchise, And there was a couple of people
Speaker 1: and Jason was one of them, and so I rented
Speaker 1: a studio and he came to the studio and that's
Speaker 1: when we met. Was through the podcast. Oh that's so cute,
Speaker 1: and you got to be in person, which is nice.
Speaker 1: Obviously I was going to say, you did this over
Speaker 1: zoom and you knew that's wild pre pandemic when things
Speaker 1: were normal. So that's how you guys met. And then
Speaker 1: was it instant like you guys posting and just like
Speaker 1: announcing you together? Was it like the secret let's run
Speaker 1: around a little bit, figure it out. I'm such an
Speaker 1: open book and he's a little bit more on the
Speaker 1: secretive side. Um. So that was tricky because I also
Speaker 1: was dealing with the outside world thinking I was moving
Speaker 1: on too fast, because they thought I just jumped from
Speaker 1: like an engagement with Sean to this relationship with Jason,
Speaker 1: when really my relationship with Sean had been struggling for
Speaker 1: so long. And then you don't expect, you know, you
Speaker 1: find people when you least expect it, and that's definitely
Speaker 1: what happened. But we were like kind of just like
Speaker 1: got to a point where people would take photos of
Speaker 1: us or see us or we were out and we
Speaker 1: were just like, why are we hiding anything? It wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't like an instant connection when we met, because
Speaker 1: I was going through a hard time, Like I was
Speaker 1: still sad, wasn't looking um. But he walked out of
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I've told the story million times, but
Speaker 1: of course you don't know this stuff. Um. He walked
Speaker 1: out of my podcast, called his mom and he was like,
Speaker 1: I just met my future wife. And I walked out
Speaker 1: of the podcast, and I was like, they need to
Speaker 1: make that guy the bachelor. And just like my brain
Speaker 1: was not in that, you know, zone to feel anything
Speaker 1: towards him. So we just like we kind of work
Speaker 1: like I friend zoned him so hard, like he would
Speaker 1: be like, gosh, you're such a bro. And I was
Speaker 1: just such a brow with him for so long to
Speaker 1: the point where we like we talked all the time,
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of turned into what it
Speaker 1: what it is. I feel like those are the best
Speaker 1: ones too, though, when you actually get to know somebody
Speaker 1: slowly without it being like okay, like let's just see
Speaker 1: where it happens or whatever it is, like that's it
Speaker 1: was nice the best way to do it, at least
Speaker 1: in like past relationships I've been in when I'm like,
Speaker 1: when I date somebody, like after like a week of
Speaker 1: knowing them, I'm like, this is not gonna work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's usually like the falling and lust when it just
Speaker 1: happens all too fast and then it ends in disaster.
Speaker 1: I've been there too for sure. Um, Okay, So wedding plans, yes,
Speaker 1: you know not do you want to do it in
Speaker 1: l a like destination back home? We want to do
Speaker 1: it in Nashville. We don't have a date. We've reached
Speaker 1: out to three different venues and we are trying to
Speaker 1: pick a date because that's what you do. That's usually
Speaker 1: the next step, and we have a wedding planner. Um.
Speaker 1: But again it's just like we are we need to
Speaker 1: get back on the same page because we have not
Speaker 1: done anything. And it's like, of course that's what people
Speaker 1: want to know, and of course we want to have
Speaker 1: answers when people ask us how wedding planning is going.
Speaker 1: But it's so hard when we're in the positions that
Speaker 1: we're in. Even with the wedding planner, I thought it
Speaker 1: would be easy, breezy because we signed a wedding planner
Speaker 1: and I thought he would just be like, Okay, do this,
Speaker 1: here's this that's gonna go here, You're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: But it's so much more than that, and I want, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's something, Jason, I need to really sit down. It's
Speaker 1: back from New York. Yeah, yeah, that's what we said. Like,
Speaker 1: but that's so funny because we're like, oh, we'll do
Speaker 1: it in Mexico. We're you know, in too Loom. It's
Speaker 1: such a vibe, or we can like sit down and
Speaker 1: you know, do some stuff. No, we were. We had
Speaker 1: an itinerary from our friend. It was back to back,
Speaker 1: like his birthday, going out doing this, and then I
Speaker 1: got back, and then we got back. He goes to
Speaker 1: New York and we're like, this is just really make
Speaker 1: this happen. I feel like that probably takes so much work.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like it's hard too, because maybe
Speaker 1: this is just like stereotypical for me to say, but
Speaker 1: I feel like for like women are normally the ones
Speaker 1: that are like really trying to plan it, not trying
Speaker 1: to plan it, but like maybe I just think we're
Speaker 1: more responsible and honor ship and so we'll be like
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this done. That's exactly right. But Jason's
Speaker 1: that one in the relationship. I'm not a planner, Like
Speaker 1: I'm actually terrible at planning things or just anything, like
Speaker 1: I get overwhelmed so easily. But Jason's usually the one
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more of the planner. And I
Speaker 1: think I kind of relied on that where he was
Speaker 1: relying on the wedding planner and then I was relying
Speaker 1: on the two of them, and it just got lost. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, women are usually you know there, we are
Speaker 1: multitaskers to the maximum and usually can have all at
Speaker 1: all and know how we want things done. Well. Also,
Speaker 1: you're handling like twenty other different things, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about them, so your podcast, can you tell
Speaker 1: them a little bit about it and what it's about. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing that I mean, no wine is too.
Speaker 1: I I love doing a podcast because I just love
Speaker 1: connecting with people. And like I always say, you never
Speaker 1: have like a real authentic conversation with people anymore where
Speaker 1: there's no phones, where you're just in the zone for
Speaker 1: one hour talking about things that are important or feelings
Speaker 1: or you know, feeling like you can laugh or cry
Speaker 1: or just have this safe place where other people can
Speaker 1: relate to. So I started the podcast. Gosh, it's like
Speaker 1: five years ago now, I feel like I should look
Speaker 1: into that. It's either four years I think it was
Speaker 1: five years ago I started. Oh, so you were kind
Speaker 1: of starting like before this was a thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember being like, what is this all about? Like what
Speaker 1: is the podcast? I always when I was little wanted
Speaker 1: a radio show that was like another secret little dream
Speaker 1: of mine, and I'd interview my family and I'd have
Speaker 1: this like I'd always love being on a microphone and
Speaker 1: asking people questions. And so when podcasting, that's I was like,
Speaker 1: what an interesting time to get into podcasting, Like I
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be a thing, And so I
Speaker 1: started it. It's called Off the Vine, and um, basically
Speaker 1: everyone who knows me knows I just love a glass
Speaker 1: of wine. I love socializing with like close friends or
Speaker 1: having nice conversation over a glass of wine. I spill
Speaker 1: like not not t like it's not gossipy. It's like
Speaker 1: like I'll tell embarrassing stories about anything, like I just
Speaker 1: people are like, why do you share so much information?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's just who I was. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's basically I'll have guests on anyone from like reality
Speaker 1: TV or influencers or UM country music artist. Because I
Speaker 1: live in Nashville, I've had a lot of them on
Speaker 1: and we basically just have a glass of wine or
Speaker 1: not if it's ten in the morning, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to make them drink and have real conversation about like
Speaker 1: either hardships or how they got to where they are
Speaker 1: in their career and um, like how they've learned lessons
Speaker 1: in life from going through heartbreak or you know, and
Speaker 1: pretty I mean, of course, promoting whatever they have going on.
Speaker 1: It's usually just forty five minutes to an hour of
Speaker 1: just real conversation, and I make my guests always confess
Speaker 1: something to me. So usually there's an embarrassing story in there,
Speaker 1: a game we play, and it's basically I just like
Speaker 1: people walking away from the podcast being like, whoa I
Speaker 1: just escaped for forty five minutes and like can't stop smiling,
Speaker 1: or like feeling like I like to empower women to
Speaker 1: just be so authentic to themselves and go after what
Speaker 1: they want to go after. Yeah, it's so fun. That's
Speaker 1: amazing because I feel like, for me, I started my
Speaker 1: podcast kind of recently and I'm still like very much
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Oh, you're doing great, by
Speaker 1: the way, Thanks. You're really easy to talk to, so
Speaker 1: it's not like challenging, but I also want to know
Speaker 1: you're doing great. Yeah. I also want to just like
Speaker 1: get a little bit more comfortable with it, I think still,
Speaker 1: because it can be so it can just be like
Speaker 1: so awkward, I feel like for me at least, and
Speaker 1: then I'm was afraid of saying the wrong thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta let that go though, because do you mean
Speaker 1: to the guest or like able to hear? Well, if
Speaker 1: I say the wrong thing to the guests, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: quick to clear it up, like it's fine, But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more afraid of like everything I say getting like
Speaker 1: picked up somewhere and then like just one sentence of
Speaker 1: what I say is like in the news and then
Speaker 1: everybody's like this, girl, you kind of got to surrender
Speaker 1: to that. You gotta surrender to that because it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen regardless, and that will get more people to listen
Speaker 1: to your podcasts, and it sucks. Like there's so many
Speaker 1: times where I see a headline from the podcast or
Speaker 1: like somebody's upset with me because from my podcast it's
Speaker 1: been a headline and I'm like, I have no control
Speaker 1: over that, and if anything like that will make and
Speaker 1: and a lot of people do. It sucks because a
Speaker 1: lot of people just read headlines or um just see something.
Speaker 1: They don't read the full article or listen to the
Speaker 1: whole podcast. So you kind of just gotta like brace
Speaker 1: yourself because those things will happen. But also you'll like
Speaker 1: connect with so many great people and you'll work out
Speaker 1: the kinks and you'll like get your you'll find your
Speaker 1: groove where you're just like you're already really and I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying this, Like you're natural at asking questions
Speaker 1: and like transitioning into the next one. So I feel
Speaker 1: like you're going to be good. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Speaking of transitioning wine company, I'm obsessed with wine as well.
Speaker 1: How did you start that? Oh my gosh, well, what
Speaker 1: kind of wine do you drink? Red one? I mean,
Speaker 1: I like all wine, like if I'm in the day
Speaker 1: or like buy a pool or something I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: have like white wine or rose, but at night I
Speaker 1: probably am going to be drinking red. That's the exact same.
Speaker 1: It's a glass of tequila, same tequila and wine or
Speaker 1: like my jam that I'm a little tequila doubt from Mexico,
Speaker 1: but not really but not really give yourself like forty
Speaker 1: eight hours you'll be back. Yeah, the wine was actually
Speaker 1: way harder than I thought. It was good because I
Speaker 1: think from coming off the show and getting opportunities or
Speaker 1: brand deals, like some of them will just you know,
Speaker 1: come to you and they'll you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: to prove yourself. You just put your name on something
Speaker 1: and hopefully you believe in it. I'm very I've turned
Speaker 1: down so much money and I hate saying that out
Speaker 1: loud because it sounds so stupid and cocky, but I've
Speaker 1: turned down so much money just to like align myself
Speaker 1: with the right products or things that I actually believe in.
Speaker 1: And so from doing that, I was like, gosh, it
Speaker 1: makes so much sense for me to start my own
Speaker 1: wine label. I don't want to slap my name on
Speaker 1: somebody else's wine, and like, I want to put in
Speaker 1: the work and I want it to be mine, and
Speaker 1: I thought it would be easier, but um, I luckily
Speaker 1: have a really incredible team. I have two business partners
Speaker 1: that have really helped with like the logistics of things. Um,
Speaker 1: but I got to go out to Napa. I got
Speaker 1: to try so many different wines and create the one
Speaker 1: I want, like different percentages of like a cab franc
Speaker 1: or like a cab. I actually got to like measure
Speaker 1: and put in and make my own what I love
Speaker 1: to drink. And so that was a really fun process,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't use the spit bucket and I
Speaker 1: got way too drunk the first night and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like so hammered, and I was like I love it,
Speaker 1: this is the wine. And then the next day we
Speaker 1: got all excited we opened it to have it with dinner,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is disgusting. I was just
Speaker 1: like wasted and thought anything at that point would have
Speaker 1: been like yeah, yeah, So I had to start all over.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really hard because in this in that industry,
Speaker 1: you do have to prove yourself, especially as a it's
Speaker 1: a very like it's a man's world. The wine industry.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The alcohol business is just it it is,
Speaker 1: and there you said there's like a slogan in the
Speaker 1: wine world that like, um, make the make the wine
Speaker 1: for men and the women will follow something like that,
Speaker 1: And I was like you, and so I wanted to like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just flip that on its head and
Speaker 1: come up with us like boss ass, like feminine and
Speaker 1: wine brand that you know, guys will enjoy drinking, women
Speaker 1: will enjoy drinking. Anyone can enjoy it. And but like
Speaker 1: without the rules, like I don't care if you pair
Speaker 1: it with you know, filet or whatever, like pair it
Speaker 1: with chips, I don't care. I just wanted to be
Speaker 1: like not snobby and really fun. And um, I had
Speaker 1: to really prove myself in the industry because there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of celebrity wines quote unquote um that have
Speaker 1: not worked. So I've worked really hard at it and
Speaker 1: it's I love it. It's actually the wine I like
Speaker 1: choose to drink at night. It's not just like like
Speaker 1: that's amazing, y. Yeah, yeah, I'll have to send you something. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would love somewhere is it being sold so you
Speaker 1: can get it at Spade and Sparrows dot com. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like in California, it's in over
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy five walmarts. Yeah, we're working really hard
Speaker 1: to get it in targets right now. Some states has
Speaker 1: it in retail. Um, A lot of places in Canada
Speaker 1: have it in retail. But overall, um, you can buy
Speaker 1: it online, which is it's It's tough because online obviously
Speaker 1: you have to pay for shipping. So I always encourage people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't just buy one bottle. Are you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay the same amount of you know, for the shipping
Speaker 1: that it is for one bottle. You buy six bottles,
Speaker 1: only gets better and then you only pay the twenty
Speaker 1: dollars for shipping. Yeah, there you go. That's actually that
Speaker 1: makes perfect logic. Um true or false? If your wine
Speaker 1: label gets into Target, is it true that you're going
Speaker 1: to get a Target tattoo? True? How could they say no?
Speaker 1: I will literally be a walking brand of Target. I
Speaker 1: like the red dot on the forehead. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: not so much. I'm so spontaneous with stuff like this,
Speaker 1: Like I just went today. It's actually hurting so bad.
Speaker 1: I just sar this pierced right here. See, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I really want more piercings because all mine on my
Speaker 1: ears closed up. But I'm like, oh, like the sleeping
Speaker 1: on my head and I sleep like this, Okay, see
Speaker 1: I sleep on my side and I can't do it
Speaker 1: any other way. And I think, also, that's not great
Speaker 1: for you anyway. But I that's like why I'm hesitant
Speaker 1: to get piercings, because I think about my sleep. That's
Speaker 1: fair enough. Nobody likes their sleep, Like Caitlin Bristo, I
Speaker 1: love sleep. It like it's I need nine hours to
Speaker 1: function to my day. But I'm very like, I'm just
Speaker 1: spontaneous with tattoos, Like do you have tattoos? Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got a spade and then I've got sparrows in the
Speaker 1: back of my arm. Cute. So it all aligns with
Speaker 1: like what you're passionate about and your business names and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, there's always a story behind everything.
Speaker 1: And then I have like tear drops. Look at this
Speaker 1: tear drops, So I go, oh, that's so cute. I
Speaker 1: just have a bunch of random tattoos everywhere. And like
Speaker 1: in Mexico, not the strip, but the one before I
Speaker 1: had too much tequila, I got a diamond tattooed on me.
Speaker 1: Like I don't even well then I was like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: diamonds are a Girl's best friend. That's the song I
Speaker 1: won the Mirrorball to. Okay has meaning, so it all
Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, so yeah, with the Target, if my
Speaker 1: wine gets into Target, I was like, I will one
Speaker 1: thousand percent get like a dainty little like like Target circle,
Speaker 1: like black and white or something like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do a big red stamp, so no, I would
Speaker 1: know if they got it in, I would be so proud.
Speaker 1: I'll do anything. Walmart's like, what the hell, why haven't
Speaker 1: you got a Walmart tattoo? It's so funny. This is
Speaker 1: such a random This is actually has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with wine, but had something to do with Target. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was young and my dad had a
Speaker 1: clothing line that was in Target. I think like before
Speaker 1: Target was really like um like it was like I
Speaker 1: was really young, and I remember always walking like through
Speaker 1: Target and seeing his name and it's such a bizarre
Speaker 1: name that I never really understood. Like I would be like,
Speaker 1: it's so weird. My dad's name is like the store, like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? This is so funny? And then like
Speaker 1: when I got older, they were like that was what
Speaker 1: was your dad's clothing line Masimo what Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: never knew that clothing line. His name is Bosomo. I
Speaker 1: did not know that. Oh that's crazy and not funny.
Speaker 1: But I remember like seeing that and being like, this
Speaker 1: is really bizarre that this name's and target, Like what
Speaker 1: are the odds somebody else's name? It's my awesome out
Speaker 1: there is that? No idea that's so funny? You found
Speaker 1: that bizarre? But weren't like my mom is on full House,
Speaker 1: Like wasn't that a crazy thing? I also didn't understand that. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like my mom always really like I still
Speaker 1: have no idea how Full House was a big show
Speaker 1: or not. I'm so confused. Yeah, because well I kind
Speaker 1: of know now a little bit. But it was just
Speaker 1: because when Fuller House came out, Um, I was on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I had like started my YouTube channel, and I was
Speaker 1: like really into like I knew like all the little
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of like how many views and how
Speaker 1: quick views are and if it's up for two hours
Speaker 1: and it has over two views, that's like really great
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And so when the Fuller House
Speaker 1: trailer came out, I was older, um, and I saw
Speaker 1: how many views it was getting and I like remember
Speaker 1: going into my mom's room and being like it was
Speaker 1: full house of big show, Like why does this have
Speaker 1: like over like fourteen million views in a day, Like
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Oh my gosh, I loved just your
Speaker 1: mom was. I would have been like I and Antie
Speaker 1: bet she was my life, like my growing up every
Speaker 1: day that that was my favorite show ever. And I
Speaker 1: still watch it just to like feel like nostalgic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I I've seen a few episodes as I've grown
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I remember when I was young,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to watch my mom
Speaker 1: kissed John Stamos, which is just so dumb amazing. So
Speaker 1: I was like really weird about it. But I feel
Speaker 1: like she, I feel like she genuinely believes like it
Speaker 1: was like not not that crazy of a show because
Speaker 1: she or she's just like extremely humble. I have no
Speaker 1: idea she must be, because that was like, if you
Speaker 1: asked me, that was like the biggest show that was
Speaker 1: everyone watched full House, and it was like back when
Speaker 1: everyone watched cable, like nobody was on YouTube or neflicks
Speaker 1: or anything like. That was the show for sure. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: way back in the day. But yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: dyed my hair red. I love to see you and
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I was like, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I've never died my hair before, and if I'm going
Speaker 1: to change the color, maybe I'll change it to like
Speaker 1: somebody in my family that had similar hair when they
Speaker 1: were my age. It makes sense. Um, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to keep you for too long and take up all
Speaker 1: your time, but even though I can literally talk to
Speaker 1: you for hours, But what's upcoming? Anything you have next?
Speaker 1: Um plan that you want to share? Um? I always
Speaker 1: dropped new edits for my hair accessory line, so it's
Speaker 1: called do edit D E W E D I T
Speaker 1: and that's on Instagram, and we do so many fun drops.
Speaker 1: So we do usually one in like spring, summer, fall, winter,
Speaker 1: and we just did a Bachelor at party one where
Speaker 1: it's like all neon and we did veils and like
Speaker 1: really fun Bachelor at party stuff. And then the next
Speaker 1: one I'm not even allowed. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to say it, but whatever, Um, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a full Bridle edit. So um, I usually just
Speaker 1: do fun things that I have going on, and then
Speaker 1: like we're going to do a pride one, and we
Speaker 1: just are always doing something new with it, which is
Speaker 1: so much fun. And then truly, I just I want
Speaker 1: everyone to be in my wine club because you can.
Speaker 1: So you can be in the wine club and get
Speaker 1: a certain amount of bottles and you end up getting
Speaker 1: free shipping if you're in the wine club. I'll join
Speaker 1: your wine club, do I just find on mine. I'm
Speaker 1: sending you the wine, um, but you should be our
Speaker 1: guests on the next wine club. We do zoom parties
Speaker 1: all the time, like every three months, and people come
Speaker 1: in and if they you know, are in the wine club,
Speaker 1: they get to come hang out and do zooms and
Speaker 1: we make either cocktails or we have a special guest
Speaker 1: on and some so fun. So yeah, I hope to
Speaker 1: just you know, do that and hope wedding planning is
Speaker 1: gonna next time I talk to you. Hopefully I have
Speaker 1: way more to say than that. Exactly. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. You're a gem and you're
Speaker 1: doing so much and I know like people listening are
Speaker 1: going to feel really inspired by this, because I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes as a woman, it's overwhelming and it's scary
Speaker 1: to put yourself in so many different fields and You're
Speaker 1: just a perfect example of doing it and crushing it.
Speaker 1: So my favorite motto is do it scared. You can
Speaker 1: want to do anything and be scared, but like, do
Speaker 1: it scared. So what if you're scared? So what if
Speaker 1: you also if it doesn't work, Just do it scared.
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for having me on. You
Speaker 1: are also a gem and I thought maybe you had
Speaker 1: this podcast for a while because you're doing really great.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You're the best. Enjoy the rest
Speaker 1: of your day having me you tears my baby m
Speaker 1: hm