1 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Welcome on it all to the Hammer Territory Podcast presented 2 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: by Fox One. Always good to be with you again 3 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: again again. I know for us in Braves Country, we 4 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: would love to be talking Braves baseball right now, but 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there's some excellent playoff baseball going 6 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: on right now as we speak. Me and Steven Tobert 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: both are multitasking right now. Keep it up with the 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: excellent playoff baseball that's going on, but here to talk 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Braves with you as well. And this is why the 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: man is one of the best when it comes to 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: covering the Braves in baseball in general. He can just multitask. 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: He can do amazing things when it comes to and 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: join and analyzing baseball as always the world's best cast partner, 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Steven Tober, good talk with you, sir. 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? Yeah, man, got a little playoff baseball 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: over to my right. I got Yankees blue Jays on. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: We obviously got some topics to talk about with the Braves. 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: We had some arbitration projections dropped this week, which helps 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: a lot for the content. We appreciate the boys over 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: at MLB Trade Rumors. They always do a great job 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: dropping those projections, and we're gonna talk about them to night. 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: They have pretty big implications on the roster, of course, 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: like any arbitration projection. We had some coaching news drop, 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: so we're gonna talk a little coaching news. The Athletic 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: had some stuff this morning actually that came out that 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about. We're gonna get little little playoff baseball. 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's October. We're just kind of grooving through 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: the playoffs. The playoffs have been fun to watch. Obviously, 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: it'd be a lot more fun to watch if the 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Brays are in it. But you know, say Levi, such 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: as life and here we are. But we're gonna get 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: into it tonight. We appreciate it as always. 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and specifically when it comes to talking little playoff baseball. 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Things that are really standing out from this postseason. None 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: of these are surprising or anything else, but just basically 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: traits that this Braves roster needs to regain to not 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: only make the playoffs but also once again have success 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: in October. But let's talk about more important things when 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: it comes to the early offseason, and of course that 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: is filling out the roster, filling out the forty man roster. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Brad Scott Steven, myself, we've all talked about various aspects 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: of how this forty man roster bullin Ball will evolve 43 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: early in the off season. And one of the bigger, 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, facets to follow when it comes to putting 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: together your roster early in the off season is when 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: it comes to you know, contracts. You know, these eligible 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: players who are under your control, will you give them 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: contracts for the next season. And of course, many of 49 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: those players, as they get into service time, go into arbitration. 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things that many look forward to 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: is the annual arbitration estimations from MLB trade rumors, and 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: that was released yesterday. The Braves themselves are no short 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to these arbitration estimations. Nine potential players 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: could have been even more, but nine players who will 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: potentially be facing arbitration now. While it is nine players, 56 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: none are really that significant in terms of the main 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: core for the Braves you know, hopeful success moving forward. 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that there's some relevant names where 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: decisions need to be made. Steven, let's go through them 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: real quickly and then kind of you know, nine total names, 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: let's go through them in groups of three to really 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: give our determination of how we think their contract for 63 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: next season will work out. 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Right, So let's just get the kind of the nuts 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: and bolts out of the way right off the bat. 66 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: We'll just go through the names real quick, and then 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: we'll break them down by by groups. So the Braves 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: have nine players, Like Sean said, it could have been more. 69 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: They just you know, went through They just did outright 70 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: waivers on Jared Kelnick and Eli not, Ela White, Luke Williams. 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, they had that group of five players they 72 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: just cut. A couple of days ago. A bunch of 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: those guys would have been arg arbitration eligible, but they're 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: not on this list obviously. So the nine guys. Jake 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: Freeley projected at three point six million next year, Joel 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: Piamps projected at three point four million dollars next year, 77 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: Jose Suarez projected at one point five million, Alex Manoa 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: projected at two point two million, Dylan Lee projected at 79 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: one point nine million, Eli White projected at one point 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: two million, Vaidel Bruhan projected at eight hundred k, Joey 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: Wentz at one point one million, and Nick Allen at 82 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: one point five million. 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that order again Steven went 84 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: through the highest to the lowest. But also you know, 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: as you have more service time, you're gonna earn more money. 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: It coincides the higher salaries to the lower salaries, also 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: coincide with the guys with the most service time to 88 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: the smallest service time. But that actually lines up perfectly 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: for us to discuss these nine players in groups of three, 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: because I think it pretty much lines itself up when 91 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: it comes to these decisions. I think that there are 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: going to be some interesting decisions to be made several 93 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: of these names. You could see the braves going either 94 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: way on but I do think that it's pretty clear 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: when it comes to the names that that you likely 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: are okay moving on from. It's the guys who who 97 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: are the most expensive Jake Frayley, Yoel pi Amps as 98 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: well as Jose Sworez. And the reason why I think 99 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: it's an okay decision to make. I don't think that 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: you're necessarily going to beat an eye to moving on 101 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: from those guys. I do think that like a Jake Frayley, 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: for instance, could be a potential, you know, contributor next year, 103 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: but it's more about the fact that I don't think 104 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: the Braves are going to be as cost conscious in 105 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: this offseason as they were last offseason. But that's still 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: nine million dollars that if you move on from those 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: guys you could take to go contribute to more of 108 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: a sure thing, and you need as many sure things 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: as possible on this Prase roster. That's what I think 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: is the big determining factor on those three grounds. So Suarez, 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Frayley as well as pi Amp I think it makes 112 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: sense that the praise will probably move on. 113 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make a case probably either a way 114 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: for Frehley. It's gonna depend a little bit on what 115 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: else they do. You know, we've talked about in the past. 116 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: You know, I've said multiple times on this show that 117 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: I want the Braves to go get a starting caliber outfielder, 118 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: like a legitimate starting outfielder, and rotate that guy with 119 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 2: Akunya and Profar at left field right field in DH. Now, 120 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: if they don't do that, and they just go with 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: a traditional fourth outfielder, then Jake Frayley at like four 122 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: million bucks, it's probably fine, yes, But if they do that, 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: then Jake Frailey at four million bucks for your fifth 124 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: outfielder makes much less sense. So Frailey is very much 125 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: tied to what else they do. He's a good player. 126 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: Four million bucks is not terrible. But yeah, the other guys, 127 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: none of these three guys have options. Frehley, Pie Amps 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: or sure Az, none of them have options that matters. 129 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't know Frehley would be optioned anyways, but certainly 130 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: pi Amps and Suarez, you know, not having minor league options, 131 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: not being able to be sent to winnet, it's going 132 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: to affect their value because the Braves can pick up 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: other guys who are probably similarly talented but have minor 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: league options, which gives them the flexibility to do what 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: they need to do its spring training, in season. You know, 136 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: not having minor league options is just tough. So yeah, 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: I agree, Freeley is more tied to what they do 138 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: the rest of the all season. But these other two guys, 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: not having minor league options, being the most expensive of 140 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: the group, probably not great for them. 141 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Agreed. And it makes sense again because you know the Braves, 142 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, they want to make sure that they again 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: they are going with as many sure things as possible, 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: proven commodities, so as much money as they have to 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: put torch proven commodities. It's sense. That's why when it 146 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: comes to Villain Lee and Eli White, especially with how 147 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you know cheap they remain with their service time levels, 148 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: I think that they clearly are shoeins for next year's roster. 149 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: Maybe not so much Eli White, but I think it 150 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: just makes too much sense that they are projected costs 151 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: not to go within with the value that they add. 152 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: Dylan Lee obviously perhaps be the most reliable part of 153 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: the Braids bullpen over the past five years. Eli White 154 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: a very versatile bench biase, I think it makes sense 155 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: to go with those guys. But perhaps the most intriguing 156 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: name out of all these that we mentioned is Alec Manaiah, 157 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: who is projected to make two point two million. But 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: he's so intriguing and Steven there's one other aspect about 159 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: him that makes him potentially worth the gamble to see 160 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: if he could regain some of his form that he 161 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: had back from a top five cy Young finish a 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: few years ago. 163 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so these three guys, obviously, Alec Manoa, Dylan Lee 164 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: and Eli White are probably you're most likely to be back. 165 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: Dill In Lee I think is probably a certainty unless 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: he got traded, but I don't see that happening. The 167 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: big thing with Lee, well, the big thing with Lee 168 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: is he's a legitimate contributor to the team. The big 169 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: thing with Manoa is that he has minor the options. 170 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: And when you have minor the options, just like we 171 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: were talking about with the two guys before, it's so 172 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: much more valuable to the organization because you can be 173 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: in Triple A and if you don't make the rostrat 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: of spring training, you can go to Triple A. When 175 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: you don't have options, like Suarez or pie Amps, you 176 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: can't go to Triple A. You have to either make 177 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: the roster, you have to be defade. Just so much 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: more flexibility. So and again, Alec Manoa is a big name, 179 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: he was a big talent. Like two million bucks for 180 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: that guy is pretty reasonable. Dylan Lee at two million 181 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 2: bucks is very reasonable. And then Eli White, again it's 182 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: gonna be tied a little bit to what they do 183 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: at outfield, but a million bucks for a guy who 184 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: can play center field, which is massive. Anytime you're talking 185 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: about bench pieces, can they play center or can they 186 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: play short? Eli White technically can do both because he 187 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: did play a little short last year, as people remember, 188 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: but that kind of defensive versatility is a weapon off 189 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: the bench. He's got good speed. You know, he's not 190 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: a great hitter. He did hit for some power this 191 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: year though he had I think he had ten home 192 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: nine or ten homers this year. So he's got talent. 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: And again he's dirt cheap. So you can do much 194 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: worse than Eli light off the bench for a million 195 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 2: bucks to have backup center field have an emergency shortstop. 196 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: I think those three guys are, I would say, pretty safely, 197 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: the three guys, I would say are most likely to. 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: Be back absolutely. And then we get into the more 199 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: interesting decisions when it comes to about El brew On 200 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: as well as Joey Wentz, and I want to take 201 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: a step back of Alex Manoa excuse me, I said 202 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: his last name wrong, but by El Brewon as well 203 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: as Joey Wentz and Nick Allen, all of those guys 204 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: projected around one million brew On a little bit lower. 205 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: But I think that those guys, the reason why I'm 206 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that it makes sense to move on 207 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: from them is because at their cost, you know, it 208 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: could add value Wentz as a starting rotation option with 209 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: all the injuries that we've had recently, Nick Allen's defense, 210 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: especially for a team that's looking to win, can be 211 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: an asset. You can make a case for these guys 212 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: making the team, but at the end of the day, 213 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: I do think more likely than not multiple of them, 214 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: maybe all of them, they're gonna get caught up in 215 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the numbers game. No minor league options you're going to have. 216 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: You know, they're redundant basically for the forty man roster, 217 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: and that may be what ultimately makes it make sense 218 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: to move on from him. 219 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously the two short stops Nick Allen Vitel Bruhan. 220 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: The thing that's going to work against those guys is 221 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: two things. One, Obviously, the Brads want to bring Hassan 222 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: Kim back, and if he's the starter, then that only 223 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: leaves a bench spot available. Two, the Brads also claimed 224 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: Brett Wisely, and I can't remember it was in August 225 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: or September, but they claimed him from the Giants. He 226 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: is an infield prosper or not prospect. He's like twenty six, 227 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: but he's an infielder who can play shortstop, who can 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: play second. The big thing with Wisely, though, is one 229 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: he is still pre arbitration, which means he is dirt cheap. 230 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: He is he is literally like a league minimum type 231 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: of player. Two, he has minor league options. So neither 232 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: Nick Allen or Vitol Breuhan have minor league options. Again, 233 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: that's a big deal. You know, Nick Allen probably has 234 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: the best case here, like he's he is jgitimately such 235 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: an elite defender at a premium position that like, that's 236 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: a caring tool that you can have on the bench. 237 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: But I don't know that you can have Hassan, Kim, 238 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: Brett Wisely, and Nick Allen all on the team at 239 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: the same time. That doesn't make sense. Now, you could 240 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: have Nick Allen as the backup in Brett Wiseley and 241 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: triple A because again Wisely has options, and maybe that's 242 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: the way they go, So you know, that could that 243 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: could certainly be the route they take. But Nick Allen 244 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: can't hit. We know that for a fact. You know, 245 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: it's no money. He's not making any money, so it's 246 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: not a big deal if you do keep him. But 247 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: not having minor league options hurts all of these guys. 248 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: That's why we think Manoa and Lee are such locks. 249 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: Manoa specifically because he has those minor league options, none 250 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: of the other guys do. There's gonna be a numbers 251 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: game in the infield. We'll see what they do in 252 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: Nick Allen, I could probably be talking in either way. 253 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: I'm buying if they pick it up and just put 254 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: wisely at Triple A. The Bradys don't have a ton 255 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: of infield depth anyways, so you can make the case 256 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: either way. 257 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, it's more quantity 258 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: than quality when it comes to these names. You can 259 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: see several of them making sense. But also at the 260 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: end of the day, if the Braves are checking some 261 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: of the boxes early in the off season of how 262 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: they want to fill out the roster, you could also 263 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: easily see it making sense to move on. It'll be 264 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: all up to what new editions we see the Braves 265 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Excited to have one ourselves. 266 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: We do want to welcome Fox one as the new 267 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: presenting partner for Hammer Territory. This show is brought to 268 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: you by Fox one. 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I know some of us, 300 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, we all had criticism of him when it 301 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: came to how he managed things like that, but I 302 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: do think that overall, when it comes to him being 303 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: a leader of the Braves, he was a fan favorite. 304 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: He was someone that every favorite in the clubhouse. He 305 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: is going to be a big hole to feel. Whoever 306 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: takes over the Braves manager's role is going to have 307 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: some big shoes to feel. And we're continuing to see this, 308 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: this coaching search, this coaching carousel evolved. But today we 309 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: receive some news that kind of gave the indication when 310 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: it came to the Braves, we should only focus on 311 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: the managerial position being filled because this coaching staff in 312 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: general could see quite a bit of turnover. We'll get 313 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to that in just a moment. But the first bit 314 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: of news that came out today was that the Braves 315 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: were the only team of those with current manager openings 316 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: who did not seek to speak with Skip Schumacher before 317 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: he took on the role with the Texas Rangers. He's 318 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: now the manager of the Texas Rangers, Steve, and I 319 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: don't find that necessarily that significant, but it kind of 320 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: indicates to me that Alex and Thoptless, as should be expected, 321 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: is going to keep things very close to the best 322 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: and is probably going to steer this search in ways 323 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: that not many expect. In other words, all these names 324 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: that you know, many national outlets are considering to be 325 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: favorites for the Braves, that may not necessarily be the case. 326 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Britdany Girilli of the Athletic today released her 327 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: what I'm Hearing Peace, which has become kind of an 328 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: InVogue thing at the Athletic. They do that a lot, 329 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: but hers was specifically around all of these managerial openings 330 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: that have come up in the last week or so, 331 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: and she had nuggets for everybody, but the Brave specific 332 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: ones were one. The Braves were the only team that 333 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: has an opening that did not reach out to Skips. Now, again, 334 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how much I read into that everybody 335 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: kind of knew Skip Schumacher was going to be the 336 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: Rangers manager. You know, the Braves will tell you they 337 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: hadn't reached out to anyone at that point. And if 338 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: everyone knew he was going to be the Rangers manager, 339 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: I don't really know how important it is that you 340 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: reach out or show any interest. He got that job 341 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: almost immediately after Boshe left, so I don't you know, 342 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: I don't think showing interest in him was going to 343 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: change anything at all anyway, So you know, take it 344 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: for what it's worth. By far and away, the most 345 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 2: interesting nugget that came out to me was that the 346 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Braves have granted permission for all of their current coaches 347 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: to interview elsewhere. Now is this surprising, No, It's very 348 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 2: common when a manager leaves and there's an uncertainty in 349 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: the staff, that you allow them to go interview for 350 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: other jobs because they might not have a job with you, 351 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: and it would be very it'd be a pretty crappy 352 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: thing to do to not let them at least go 353 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: interview for other jobs. What it does tell me, though, 354 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: and maybe I'm wrong, I might be reading too much 355 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: into this, And if I am, I'll admit it later. 356 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: I do feel like that kind of points to them 357 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: not hiring what what Weiss as the manager. I do 358 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: feel like this points to maybe more of an external hire, 359 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: because I think if they were really just focused on 360 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: what Weiss, I think they would have tried to keep 361 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: the staff together as much as possible and maybe told 362 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: them like, hey, you're not gonna have to worry about 363 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: going to find new jobs. We're gonna we're gonna you know, 364 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 2: we're looking at what Weiss pretty heavily. It's a very 365 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: good chance we're gonna try to keep the staff together. 366 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: I might be wrong. They might they might still hire 367 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: what Weiss. I could be dead wrong about that, but 368 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: it does feel like they are kind of opening the 369 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: door and Braves fans should probably expect that Brian Snitcher 370 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: is not gonna be the only member of the coaching 371 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: staff that turns over this offseason. That's kind of what 372 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm expecting. 373 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: Now. 374 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: Is it gonna be David Ross? I don't know, we'll see. 375 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: But when I read that, I got the sense that 376 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: they're planning for and maybe even expecting, quite a bit 377 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: of turnover on the staff. 378 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: And I think that that is kind of the direction 379 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: that you know we need to go in. Because I'll 380 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: be honest, over the past few months, I myself have 381 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: kind of gone back and forth. You know, I definitely 382 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: feel strongly that the Braves needed to move on from 383 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: Brian Sticker. They needed a new voice, a new approach 384 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: when it came to the manager's seat, But when it 385 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: came to Cranits even Tim Hyers towards the end of 386 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: the season, I also was talking myself into okay, I 387 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind seeing that combo back again, especially Krantit's I 388 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: know you feel the same way. But as much as 389 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: we talk about during the Braves run of success from 390 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: basically twenty nineteen through twenty twenty three, the continuity of 391 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: our coaching staff being an underrated asset and underrated strength 392 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: of why we were so successful, the time's come where 393 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you need to embrace change. You need to brace new voices, 394 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: new ideas coming into the clubhouse. Because we've talked about 395 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: it all season is that it's not just changing the manager. 396 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: It's not just you know, reshuffling the roster. There are 397 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: things about this organization, how this organization defines success and 398 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: the value it places on certain sources for success. That 399 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: needs to be updated, and that comes along with the 400 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: change in the coaching staff. So certainly we'd like to 401 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: retain crandits, especially if it makes sense. But I'm okay 402 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: with not only going external when it comes to the manager, 403 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: but also that manager bringing in coaches that he's comfortable 404 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: with that he feels is going to put him in 405 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: the most effective position to successfully lead this Brace's team 406 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: back to contention. So I'm ready to embrace that, even 407 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: if it leads to a lot of turnover for the 408 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: coaching staff as a whole. 409 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I you know, if you ask Brace fans, 410 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would be like heartbroken over the 411 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: idea that Tim Hyers is not going to be the 412 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: hitting coach next year. Like I think most Brace be like, yeah, fine, okay. 413 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: You know, Chipper Jones came out like last week and 414 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: and gave a very eye opening interview where he said, like, 415 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: I'm ready to be a full time coach. Like that 416 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: was not always the case with Chipper. He always was like, 417 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: I'd rather be a consultant, I'd rather be a special assistant. 418 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not really interested in the time commitment of 419 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: a full time coach. And they were asking about manager. 420 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not. I don't think I'm ready to 421 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: be a manager, but I think i'd be a really 422 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: good hitting coach. Like my my years perked up. I 423 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: was like, all right, Like if they go hire like 424 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: David Ross to be the manager and then hire Chipper 425 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: Jones to be the hitting coach and get you know, 426 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: Rick Kranitz back as the pitching coach, I'm like, all right, 427 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: that's a pretty damn good staff. But by far and away, 428 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: the most important name is Rick Kranits, like the pitching coach. 429 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: He has been so good with the Braves. He has 430 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: done an incredible job getting the absolute most out of 431 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: whatever his talent level is. Whatever the talent level is 432 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: on the team, he gets at least that much in production, 433 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: if not more, and usually more. And that's that's just 434 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: the mark of a good coach. That's really all you 435 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: can ask of the coach. The coach has no control 436 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: over what the talent level is, no control over real injuries, 437 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: anything like that is just whatever I give you, are 438 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: you getting the most out of it? And I think 439 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: with the Cranits he has, so getting him back would 440 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: be huge. But again we have no idea. You know, 441 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: he could be interviewing for jobs right now because he 442 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: wanted to work for Sticker. And you know, whoever you 443 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: hire as manager might want his own pitching coach, might 444 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: won his own bench coach, might won his own hitting coach. 445 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how much the manager controls that stuff, 446 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: how much the front office controls that stuff. We're gonna 447 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: find out here pretty soon. But yeah, you know, Chipper's 448 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: level of interest in the hitting coach job and keeping 449 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: Rick Kranitz are far and away the two most interesting 450 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: parts of this. And you know we're gonna get news 451 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: as it comes out of the next week or so 452 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 2: about which guys are interviewing, where other teams will leak it. 453 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 2: It's not just it doesn't just have to come from 454 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: the Braves, so we might get more information. It's going 455 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: to be interesting to track. 456 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, not necessarily saying that a resolution 457 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: is going to come soon, because you know, if the 458 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Braves have any interest and coaches currently, you know in 459 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: the postseason that you know plays a part timeline wise. 460 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: But the big thing to know is is that once 461 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: it comes down the pipe, who the Braves are going 462 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: to hire as manager don't be surprised if we get, 463 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, several updates when it comes to the coaching staff, 464 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: and we could see a significantly different setup when it 465 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: comes to the coaching staff going into twenty twenty six 466 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: and beyond them. But speaking of twenty twenty six and beyond, 467 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: when we're talking about changes, when we're talking about what 468 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: needs to change for this brave squad to not only 469 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs but have success, there's three takeaways 470 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: so far from this postseason that I really think need 471 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: to become areas of strengths. Once the areas of strength 472 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: once begin for the Atlanta Braves. 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See terms at pick 497 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 4: six dot draft Kings dot com slash promos. 498 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: So steven that it's now been four years since the 499 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Braves won the World Series, well almost four years, but 500 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: we've talked about it quite a bit. What was so successful? 501 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: What were the reasons why the Braves, I think, in 502 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the minds of many unexpectedly won the World Series in 503 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and it's simple. It comes down to 504 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: two things. Bombs and the bullpen. That's exactly what it was. 505 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Dingers and delivering strikeouts. That's what it was. It was 506 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: the ability to hit home runs at a better pace 507 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: than your opponents while also getting strikeouts late in game scenarios. 508 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: That's what led to so much success for this Braves team. 509 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: And we are once again seeing that. I know it's 510 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: been four years since the Braves won the World Series, 511 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: but that stands out to me once again as being 512 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: two critical areas of improvement that this Braves team needs 513 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: to get dependability at once again. The ability to hit 514 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: home runs. It's been shared time and time again. When 515 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: a team homer's more than their opponent, they win more 516 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: than eighty percent of the time in the playoffs. And 517 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: if you have a bullpen that can get strikeouts and 518 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: critical situations, that's the best way to limit those home runs, 519 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: which become even more valuable in low scoring games. Hitting 520 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: home runs and having a reliable bullpen, that's got to 521 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: be two traits that need to come back to the 522 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves. 523 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we talked about it all all offseason 524 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: or I mean all regular season, Like I want them 525 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: to go back to hitting homers at an elite rate. 526 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 2: I think it's the key to sustaining an offense when 527 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: you have streaky hitters, and I think the Braves have 528 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: maybe the streakiest collection of hitters I've ever seen. I mean, 529 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: guys that can go cold for like months at a time. 530 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: And when you have that, the idea that you're gonna 531 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: constantly have three, four, five, six guys hitting at the 532 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: same time and being able to move the line as 533 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: Snit used to say, and like stack together a bunch 534 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: of hits doesn't work when you have that many streaky hitters. 535 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: What does work is if you're hitting homers, you don't 536 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: need six or seven guys hitting. You need like two 537 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: guys hitting. You need like three guys hitting because they 538 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: can bop homers. And not only does that help you 539 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: sustain streakiness during the regular season, but it's also how 540 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: you win in the postseason. And you just gave that 541 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: stat about out homering your opponents in the postseason. So 542 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: the pitching is so good in October, it's so good 543 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: you have got Garrett Crochet, and you got Tarik's Skubel, 544 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: and you got Christopher Sanchez, and you got on and 545 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: on and on and Max Freed and Chris Sale. If 546 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: the Braves ever get back there, Like the pitching is 547 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: so damn good in October, the idea you gotta stream 548 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: together six hits in a row in an inning is 549 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: just you know, you're living in fantasy world. Like you 550 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: gotta get you gotta get runs in quick bunches, a 551 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: walk in, a homer, boom, two runs, another walk, another homer, 552 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: a single and a whole Like that's how you score 553 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: in the postseason. You're not gonna stack a bunch of 554 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: hits together. So yes, go back to hitting homers the 555 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 2: way this lineup was built to I think that's why 556 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: they did it originally, to be honest with you, is 557 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: to have postseason success. And it's a big part of 558 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: their twenty twenty one success. I mean, Jock Peterson, you 559 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: know the in the NLDS that year, Eddie Rizzari on 560 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 2: the NLCS, Jorge Soilira in the World Series, Like they 561 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: were bopping homers. And not only were they bopping homers, 562 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: they were then using the bullpen to close out these games. 563 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: And that's how you win in October, Bombs and bullpen. 564 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: If we're gonna make a logo for twenty twenty six, 565 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear a shirt that says bombs and bullpen, 566 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: because I think that's how you win. You gotta have 567 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: a starting pitching. You gotta have a starting pitching, of 568 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: course in the regular season and in the postseason, but 569 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: in the postseason, your starters are going like five innings 570 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: and then you're you're bringing out a weapon of a bullpen. 571 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: And that's what I want the Brads to get back to, 572 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: a weapon of a bullpen. I don't think it was 573 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: a weapon this year. I think they had to kind 574 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: of protect it a little bit, and when they had 575 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: to use it a lot, it got exposed. And I 576 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: want to go back to having it be a strength 577 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: of the team. One of the best bullpens in baseball 578 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: and one of the best home run hitting lineups in baseball. 579 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: Those are the two things I'll want for twenty twenty six, 580 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: and those are the things I'm going to be looking 581 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: for this off season. Yeah. 582 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: Again, here as we are discussing postseason takeaways of this 583 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: edition of The Hammer, Territory podcast presented by Fox One. 584 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: And the thing that I'll say is this is that 585 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: those are two known things, right, Like, it's no secret 586 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: that if you've got an effective bullpen that can get 587 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: strikeouts and you've got a lineup that can stack home 588 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: runs in big moments, you're going to go far in 589 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: the postseason. That describes what probably is the biggest current 590 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: series in the minds of many right now, the Dodgers 591 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: in the Phillies. The Phillies have had such good starting pitching, 592 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: not now but throughout their postseason run here recently, but 593 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: their bullpen's not been able to get leads and they're 594 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: not hitting home runs like the Dodgers are. That's why 595 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: they're down two oh. So yes, it's critical to hit bombs. 596 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: It's critical to have a big bullpen. But there's one 597 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: other key area that this Braves team must improve on, 598 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: and thankfully they did in the second half of the season. 599 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: They've got to be able to consistently produce in situational opportunities, 600 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: specifically creating and converting run scoring opportunities when those home 601 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: runs are not happening. As you face good pitching in 602 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: the postseason, and especially as you face it, game after 603 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: game after game, it's going to be hard to hit 604 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: those home runs, so you've got to have multiple ways 605 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: to win. Here is one of the biggest points as 606 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: to why hitting when prunters a good scoring position is 607 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: so critical. I feel like that I have absolutely harped 608 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: on it over the past year plus. Of the eight 609 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: teams right now, all eight teams that are still currently 610 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: alive in the Baseball playoffs, each of them were in 611 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: the top ten of WRC plus in run scoring opportunities. 612 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: This year, they had eight of the top ten WRC 613 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: pluses when it came to being at the play in 614 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: run scoring opportunities, they were among the best in baseball 615 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: and not only hitting home runs but being able to 616 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: create and convert run scoring opportunities. This Braves team improved 617 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: in that aspect in the second half the season. It's 618 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: got to carry over because through twenty nineteen to twenty 619 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: twenty three we were eleventh or best in the majors. 620 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: Last year twenty first, this year's thirteenth. We've got to 621 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: be back in that top ten and that gives you 622 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: multiple ways of being able to win in the postseason. 623 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: And listen, a lot of the Braves being thirteenth was 624 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: what they did in the second half. Right Like the 625 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: first half they were miserable, and the second half. One 626 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: thing I will say is they got on base a 627 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: lot more when they added Profar, When they added Kim, 628 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: you know, they got rid of some of the black 629 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: holes at the bottom of the lineup that have really 630 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: hurt this team. The Braves have to be really careful about. 631 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: You know. Alex has had this thing where he says, well, 632 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: if the other guys are doing their job, it's okay 633 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: to have one or two black holes at the bottom 634 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: of the lineup. I don't agree with that. I think 635 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: if you if you don't have when you have a 636 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: group of hitters, this streaky, the idea that seven of 637 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: them are going to be doing their job all at 638 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: one time, at any one time, it's just it's it's 639 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: not gonna happen. So I think you gotta be careful 640 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: about having too many black holes at the bottom of 641 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: the lineup. Obviously, adding Kim helped a lot at shortstop, 642 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: Pro four helped a lot in left field. We'll see 643 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: what they do in the offseason, but yeah, they just 644 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: gave themselves more opportunities. They came through more. They also 645 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: started hitting up a lot more homers in the second half, 646 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: like they the second half really did look like and 647 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: especially August and September, it really did look like like 648 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: what we're used to seeing. Offensively. It wasn't always that way, 649 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: but it was much closer than whatever the hell the 650 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: first half, I thought I was watching a different franchise. 651 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was watching every night, but 652 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: I was watching them lose two to one off great 653 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: starting pitching and and couldn't win a game because it 654 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: couldn't score. So yes, going back getting on base a 655 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: little bit more. I love walk rate. Walk right is 656 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: one of my favorite stats. Their walk rate really jumped 657 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: up in the second half, but they hit more homers. 658 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: Hit more homers. Homers are how you get through any 659 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: sort of cold streak of your lineup. I'm a big 660 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: believer that, you know, I know, fans, whatever that you know. 661 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Braves two dependent on the home run. They got a 662 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: diverse one no hit homers, hit home and that's how 663 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: you get through cold streaks until you get to a postseason. 664 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: You hit homers. That's what I want to see in 665 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, along with a bullpen that's gone, that 666 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: goes from being questionable to being a weapon. I think 667 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: I think those are honestly, along with starting pitching health, 668 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: I think those are the big keys going into twenty 669 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: twenty six. 670 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: And the biggest thing of all is that the reason 671 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: why we're talking about that bullpen being a weapon, that 672 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: bullpen being dependable once again, is because it's not just 673 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: about guys that can log you innings in the postseason. 674 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: It's about guys that you can confidently use in matchups. 675 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: That's how the Phillies were able to beat the Braves 676 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, pretty, you know, convincingly in twenty two and 677 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: twenty three. They use their bullpens so effectively against our lineup. 678 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: The Braves need to get back to feeling confident and 679 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: then the right matchups they could use their bullpen guys 680 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: over and over again in a playoff series. Can't thank 681 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: you enough for joining us here on this edition of 682 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast, once again presented by our new 683 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: presenting partner, Fox one. Make sure you check out the 684 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: Fox one app or all your favorite shows and sports 685 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: from Fox. Of course, Steven Tolbert you can find him 686 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: at Beat Underscore, Outliers, on Twitter, slash x myself at 687 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: stats SAC can't thank you enough for the support Hammer 688 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Territory across all forms of social media. Part of the 689 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: foul Territory family of podcasts. Until next time, go braves. 690 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon here on the Hammer 691 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: Territory