1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: grew up on an alder. Hey, everybody, welcome to another 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: episode of the Hunting Collective. I'm Bet O'Brien and I'm 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: sitting in a by a creek in the Missouri Breaks 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: with Clay Nukele. They Clay, Hey, Ben, how's it going. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: It's going well, fair, fair to middling, fair, fair to middling. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: We're not sitting on a cactus, which I just had 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to make sure I wouldn't. I gotta tell you the 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: other day, I sat down. We were looking for elk, 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: and I sat down in the spot where we thought 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: there might be elk, and I looked right, I'm gonna 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: say about two inches from my sack was I mean, 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I was close. There's a lot of cactus out here's 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: your camera guy? Cold be that So he's not really 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: camera guy. How would you describe Colby? Colby is uh, 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: he's the he's the bear tech for Bear Hunting Magazine. 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: He's just my main sidekick. Yeah, and that's yeah, your 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: main sidekick is here with us. And I think he 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: looked down first and saw the cactus kind of sidling 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: up to my testicles and alerted me. Thank god. Uh 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: so I feel I'm feeling pretty good. But do you 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: want to describe this country to people that we're in 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: right now? Well, so, so we're elk hunt in public land, 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: elk hunt in Uh we'll just say the Missouri breaks. Yeah, 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: we're not gonna drop your waypoint. You know, this is 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: a this is a distressed landscape. It really is. It 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: was it appeared. I don't I really don't know that 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: the geology of this place, but it appears that at 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: one time it was a a flat or a plane 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: and then some just over time eroded. These big deep 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: draws that almost looks like South Dakota bad Lands ground, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot of fully exposed just like soft you know, 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: um soft rock. But there's but there's finger ridges that 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: are covered in pine trees that give quite a bit 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of cover for the elk. But I would say that 36 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: there's probably like maybe thirty tree cover. The rest is 37 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: open country, lucky rough, distressed, a few cotton woods down 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: to the bottom, most mostly evergreens up on top. Is 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: it kind of feels like there's there's pockets of what 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: you would think of as elk country, Like there's a 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: little spaces islands of like, oh, that looks good, and 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: then amidst the sea of just endless buttes and you know, 43 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: stone cliffs and so it's it's, it's, it's been. This 44 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: has been country I've wanted to hunt in for some time, um, 45 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: having had stories about it, having you know, known about 46 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: this area. If I check my on X, I'm pretty 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: sure we're sitting on National Monument ground right now. Um. 48 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful country, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: Is it like you thought it would be? I mean, 50 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: how much did you? Yeah? I think so, it's it's uh, 51 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: it's about what I thought it would be. It's it's 52 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: probably harder than I thought to get on elk, not 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: to see elk. But that's what everybody told me. They said, 54 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: you'll see ulk, they'll be hard to kill. And that's 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: been exactly true, because we've we've seen a lot of elk. 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: But just because you see him and you hear them bugling, 57 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: you might be well, it's not even getting on them. 58 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: It's that they're moving. They move so much. These just 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: don't stay. You can't just put one to bed and 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: then come back the next day and he'd be in 61 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: the same place. For the most part. This country can 62 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: be in you know, Montana, especially Elk country can be intimidating, 63 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: but this, this country kind of isn't as intimidating as 64 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: some of the some of the stuff I've hiked around before. 65 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: It has a gentleness to it in terms of how 66 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: you can navigate it, and I think that certainly helps us. 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: But that helps the elk too, because they can move 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Yeah, we're not dealing with high elevations. I 69 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: think the highest elevations here in the three thousands. Yeah, 70 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, So you know, I I'm like you, 71 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, when we're walking around this, I feel I 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: feel poor that I didn't, you know, read about the 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: geology here of the landscape. But I will when I 74 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: get back and and really study up on what I'm 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: seeing here in terms of how this landscape came to 76 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: be and some of the more interesting elements it has. 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: But we're sitting here um down by creek in the bottom. 78 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: We hiked down here this morning and just by the 79 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: by we might have to go there. We heard a 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: couple of about five yards acrossed. We've heard a couple 81 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: the bugles in the last half hour, so if you hear, 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: if you hear the headsets drop onto the ground, just 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: some shoving, we'll be back pause. Yeah, it would be 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: an interstitial. We'll put some music in there. Maybe we'll 85 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: just put some ocean sounds so you can really meditate 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: your way into what might happen for us. But we're 87 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: we're towards the tail end of our hunt, and we 88 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: might have an afternoon maybe tomorrow. You're probably listen to 89 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: this on Tuesday. It's Monday, it's nine am, so we're 90 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're recording for real time basically out here, 91 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: so we should tell the story of this morning's hunt. Um. 92 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: I think that way. This morning's hunt, you know, the 93 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: last couple of hours we've had has very much been 94 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: um you know, emblematic of the I think the challenge 95 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: here in general, and the fact that they're giant elk 96 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: everywhere um or or everywhere being being a term I 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: don't use lightly because they're around for sure, so you 98 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: want to kick us off them. So we the temperatures 99 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: this morning, we're in the high forties and zero wind. 100 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday it was very windy, it was very just kind 101 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: of a bust yesterday aside from late in the evening. 102 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: You we're out on the south end of this mountain 103 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: and heard a bull bugle down low and and basically 104 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: you found an elk that you messed with until dark 105 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: getting to come in. And so we we were back 106 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: there this morning. Weather kind of cleared out yesterday afternoon, 107 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: so we uh, we heard elk right at daylight and 108 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: just just like what you would want, we're up above him. Man. 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: I just imagine if you this this this uh, the 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: end of this ridge that we're on. Just imagine if 111 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: you stretch your hand out pointed south and if you 112 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: look at your fingers, it's kind of what we were hunting. 113 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: We were up in on the top of your hand 114 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: where your knuckles are, and there are several finger ridges 115 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: that you can travel down to intercept these elk that 116 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: were we come to find out already in the bottom. Yeah, um, continue, yeah, 117 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: so we uh, we try to course these elk. We 118 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: hear him. And what we learned earlier in the week 119 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: is that you can hear these elk from so far 120 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: or what I learned, Um, you can hear these elk 121 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: from a mile across the canyon. So you know, you're 122 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: trying to discern these elk close these elk far anyway, 123 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: we heard, we heard what we felt like, we're elk 124 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: that we could get on. We start moving down one 125 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: of the finger ridges, you know, peeking up over ledges, 126 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: looking down, waiting for the elk to bugle, and he 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: probably bugled five or six seven times as we were 128 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: moving down and um, finally we laid eyes on him. 129 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: We saw him, and he was down in the very bottom. 130 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: We were probably three fifty yards from him. Maybe. Yeah, 131 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: they're an other elk across from us. You know, if 132 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: you imagine that we've now walked down your uh, pinky 133 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: finger kind of now we've not walked down the pinky finger. 134 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: He's in between the pinky finger and your next finger 135 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: over um, down below us, and so we're he's and 136 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: then we I see him and you described to me 137 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: a bully you saw earlier in the week that had 138 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: a club hanging down from I can't remember the side 139 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: that you described, but in this case it was he 140 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: had this this elk kind of club hanging down from 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: the right side, kind of above his eye a little bit. Yeh, 142 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: nonf The came off the base and hung about probably 143 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: nine to He's impressive, and he had two cows with him, 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: and it was clear. We started bugling, um and we'll 145 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: we'll do a little bugling for you later on see 146 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: what we can do. But we started bugling, and he 147 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: was responding, and he was definitely responding to cow calls. 148 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: Um My. In my mind, I'm like, well, the strategy 149 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: here is going to try to challenge him and cut 150 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: him off. So you were a bugle and I was bugling. 151 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: You were cutting him off. He was responding. He was 152 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: fired up. But much like if you've ever have you 153 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: listened a couple episodes ago to Remy Warren talk about bulldogging, 154 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: and you listen to Cutting the Distance that I work 155 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: on with Remy, where we talk about bulldogging, this is 156 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: this idea where you challengeable and he rounds his cows 157 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: up and gets out of town. And that's what this 158 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: bull did. He bugled back at us, He turned, he postured, 159 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: shifted a bit, and then ran down around you know, 160 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: the tips of your fingers. If you're still pointing your 161 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: hand out there, I hope you're still holding your hand up. 162 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: He's running down the tips of your fingers down to 163 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: the bottom towards the creek. Now, at this point, I 164 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: knew from having talked to Remy and learned this strategy 165 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: that if we could get in front of him, we 166 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: had a real good chance that he would come stomping 167 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: up to challenge us. The problem is, as we just 168 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: are said a little bit earlier, it's hard to get 169 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: in front of an elk, and it's already in front 170 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: of these And what we didn't describe fully is that 171 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the creek bottom is just a vast open it's a 172 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: sage flat, sage flat. So once they started moving, once 173 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: he started moving away from us, those cows were I mean, 174 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: they were basically trotting and they they it feels like 175 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: once they decide that they're gonna go across one of 176 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: these flats, they there's no reason to dottle. Yeah, they 177 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: move out quick. Yeah. And so these alk when I 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: when we started going, we said we gotta go, like 179 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: we gotta run. So we ran up this ridge and 180 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: as we started to run, we could kind of see 181 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the elk moving below. There's like some humps in the 182 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: bottom of these fingers. You can kind of see it 183 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: moving in the bottom. As we're trying to get down. 184 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: We picked the um. Basically, there's your middle finger and 185 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: that's where we were going to go down and cut 186 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: them off. And so we get on your middle finger 187 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: and we're walking down and you can kind of we 188 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: could kind of pick them off. And when I was 189 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: picking them off, they were moving and I knew, I 190 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: just knew there's no way we could be fast enough. 191 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Was like, there's just no halfway down. I knew it 192 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: was it was. It just wasn't gonna be good. My 193 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: only hope at that point was maybe we'll get a 194 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: satellite bowl, maybe some other bople will peel off this 195 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: bigger boll. He's going to be pushing these cows unless 196 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: they stop to take a drink, which it does not 197 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: look like they want to. Um, they're just going over 198 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: the other side and get in in safe terror safer 199 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: territory um as is as is the you know, the 200 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: way they use this country, apparently, as we're learning through 201 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: this time. So anyway, continue the Well, so we we 202 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: side hill, we come down a really steep drainage, We 203 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: uh go a bunch across across a lot of stuff 204 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: that looks like the surface of the moon, and basically 205 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: we when we finally pop out in between one of 206 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: these ridges into this open flat, we see the elk 207 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: had already crossed the creek and we're way on the 208 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: other side, which is not a place that we can hunt. 209 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: And so we were, you know, probably five minutes behind him. 210 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: And right where we popped out, there was we saw 211 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: where the whole herd had crossed the creek and there 212 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: were it's hard to say how many cows, but quite 213 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: a few cows. But it was incredible, an incredible bull. 214 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: The first bull we saw was a was a younger bull, 215 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: but he did have a non typical point coming off 216 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: his base. The once we made it out into the 217 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: sage flat, after we tried to cut him off, we 218 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: realized that there were multiple bulls. And one of the 219 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: bulls we saw was I mean, sure enough giant. I 220 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: mean for for my standards, for sure, I mean, yeah, 221 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: any standard, any standard measure. He was a giant, big, 222 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: big elk. Man. I've killed some some big elk on 223 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: some places that weren't public land. Well, the biggest elk 224 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: I've ever killed on public land. He was in the 225 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: three seventies of uh, you know, in terms of a 226 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: trophy measurement um. And so you described this guy he 227 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: had I want to say he had six on once. 228 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: So but I never always make fun of people for 229 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: saying he was three inches or seven by six, And 230 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you had time to count the points, 231 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: because I rarely ever have time to count the points. 232 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to get over there 233 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: if I can't. Um, I think he was a six 234 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: by but I don't know that for sure, which means 235 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: he would have had six points on one side. But 236 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He was tall wide, he had tying 237 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: length from his from his fronts all the way to 238 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: his tops. He was a real classic big elk um 239 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: and he was pushing, pushing an entire herd of cows 240 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: with some straggling bulls up into the country we can't hunt. 241 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: And you know, this is the first time that I've 242 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: seen this kind of stuff been. I mean, you know, 243 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: I've I've now elk hunted two years. So last year 244 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: was my first year i'll hunting. Me and my son 245 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Bear loaded up our mules and went to over the 246 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: counter unit in Colorado hunting for four and a half 247 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: days basically and got on a few elk, but just 248 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: totally you know, ever done it before. Um, So this 249 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: is my second elk hunt, and uh, I had a 250 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: little more help this time. Our buddy Joe Fernado kind 251 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: of hooked up this whole deal for me anyway, had 252 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: invited me, and uh, it's it's still public land. He'd 253 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: never been up here to el kunts, so we're all 254 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: all learning. But I had never seen big elk outside 255 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: of you know, Yellowstone, you know. I mean it's incredible. 256 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: If you go to Colorado and he's spottable. Look we 257 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: spotted this morning, you'd be the luckiest man alive. Yeah. 258 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean depending on where you're in Colorado, most open, 259 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: older kind of units, you're not gonna see elk like 260 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna have I mean, we're how far 261 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: away from camp right now, m as the crow flies 262 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: probably a mile and a half year, So you're not 263 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, camping and doing that. And so 264 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: this we were talking about this experience, you know, and 265 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I think this morning why it's lucky that we get 266 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: to record now and reflect on that, because I think 267 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: this morning's experience is kind of reflective of of this 268 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: country and this this hunt that we've had because we've 269 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: worked hard. But the elk, while they're here and they're 270 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: big they are tough to get on, they are tough 271 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: to pattern. The winds are switching no matter where do 272 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: you go. And then you get into these situations like 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: you're in this morning, where like they start in the 274 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: bottom and they're gonna cross and you've got one shot 275 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: to cut them off. And if you do not cut 276 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: them off, they're into some country you can't get into 277 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: and you're never gonna You're never gonna catch up to them. 278 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: So you know, as of this moment, the sun's out 279 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: for the first time. I'm seeing blue skies in Montana 280 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time just because 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: of the smoke, and so I feel lucky to be 282 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: sitting in the sun right now. But but that's it 283 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: seems like these elker they've shut up. They shut up 284 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: right after we kind of they kind of walked off 285 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: from us, and we had a few bugles here about 286 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: a half an hour ago, but it felt like they 287 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: might have been be gos from beds. You know, these 288 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: are already laying down, they've been up all night. Um, 289 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've had some full moon phases and so 290 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: that's hunting, man. Every little thing is a challenge, every 291 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: little nuances is you know, part of at least most 292 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: of my hunting success and other for other species been 293 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: has just been sheer persistence, just trying and just trying 294 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. And uh so this is our 295 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: seventh day of hunting, and I kind of just figured 296 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: we'd get lucky. I mean, And when I say that, 297 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't mean like, uh, I mean all all successful hunters. 298 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the best successful hunters, A big part of 299 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: their regiment is just persistence and endurance and continuing to 300 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: stick with a game plan and then at some point 301 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote they get lucky, you know. So I mean 302 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: that word luck means a lot of different things, a 303 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of different people. What I mean is I just 304 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I just felt like as many miles as we've put 305 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: on that, you know, at some point we're gonna pop 306 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: over one of these ridges and there's gonna be you know, 307 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: uh heck a spike bull um down there at sixty 308 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: yards and you know, give a calcol and he pops 309 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: over the ridge. You know, just some fortunate thing happened, 310 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: and it and it has not. Now. I was I 311 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: did have an opportunity to stalk some cows on the 312 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: second day. I mean, I was totally within striking distance 313 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: of them. And uh on the second day, we were 314 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: all we were seeing big bulls. We had a lot 315 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: of hunt left, and I chose not to today. If 316 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: I saw a cow elk over on that butte over 317 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: there that I see like miles away, I would like 318 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: commit my life to trying to kill. Yeah, I mean 319 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: it's the shifting baseline is always hilarious and and and 320 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: a hunt like this you start with a goal, especially 321 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: like we were talking about. There's a couple of points 322 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: I want to make, but one of them is the 323 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: transient hunting. The transits you know, travel, If you travel 324 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: to a place you're kind of you have this idea 325 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: that you you know you're limited time. And that's where 326 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: the shifting baseline comes in. Every every time I've ever 327 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: gone on a guided hunt, your baseline shifts on the 328 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: first or second day. And the rules always if you 329 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: would have shooted on the last day, shooting on the 330 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: first day, like if if, And that's always the best 331 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: way to handle that. But in terms of you know, 332 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: how do we how do we look at luck? I 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: think that's an interesting thing to talk about because I 334 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: look at luck like this confluence of events, right, because 335 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: We were sitting up on a on the glass and 336 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: knob the other day talking about all the things that 337 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: have to happen. Think of all the things that have 338 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: to happen for you to kill an elk. And this 339 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: goes to like looking on Instagram or whatever social media 340 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: and seeing a lot of people killing elk. Um. I'm 341 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: happy for those people, But it does always nor could 342 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: it represent how hard it is to to do sometimes, um, 343 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: And other times it seems like it's simple as could be, 344 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: you know. Other times it seems like just what you 345 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: said happens. I had a buddy that walked out on 346 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: the ridge this year, calcold twice and killed the bull. Um. 347 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: I've done that a lot, and I've never and I 348 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: don't think he's necessarily that skilled at calcohol more than 349 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: I am. But you know, that's just a confluence of 350 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: events that elk had to be there. He had to 351 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: be there, you know. And so um, think about all 352 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: those what were accounting like eight elements the other day. 353 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: So you have to, you know, find the country, and 354 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: you've got to you've gotta, yeah, not just find the country, 355 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: You've got to find the elk inside the country. I mean, 356 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: like that's the number one challenges. You go to a 357 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: new spot, it's gonna take you a couple of days 358 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: to find Elk. And it's real frustrating. I've done it 359 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: twice now in both hunts, and at first twenty four 360 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: hours you just think there's no Elk here, or I 361 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: do anyway, Uh, I've not done it enough to know 362 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: that if you exert this much energy, this much effort, 363 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: you're going to find ELK. And I was with our 364 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: buddy Bryce and he he was just you know, he 365 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, we're gonna find out. And I 366 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: was like, really, you think we'll really find out? Oh yeah, 367 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: we'll find out now. So you gotta find out. And then, uh, 368 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: they've got to be bugling for you to really be 369 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: able to work them and and navigate around on them. Um, 370 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you've got to find a responsive one it's willing to 371 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: work with you. I can't remember all the other things, 372 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: the things you listed, but it goes all the way 373 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: down to it. You've got to make a shot. I mean, 374 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: you could do everything right and then the bull steps 375 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: out at forty three yards behind a pine tree, and man, 376 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: it's that was a lot of things got to come together. 377 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: That's where repetition comes into if you keep doing it. 378 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: So if you haven't have to have those eight things right, 379 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: the other things are like, you gotta find the elk, right, 380 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta pattern them. They have to be vocal. 381 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: And then you it comes into what happened this morning. 382 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Once you find the elk, you have to be in 383 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: the right spot. If if they're not going to come 384 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: to you that you gotta get yourself in the right spot. 385 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Once you're in the right spot, it has to present 386 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: an ethical shot. And once you it presents an ethical shot, 387 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: you have to draw your bow. Once you draw your bow, 388 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: you have to send an arrow. Once that arrow hits 389 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: the animal, it's got to hit the animal and in 390 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: a verily precise spot so it doesn't run off and 391 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: die somewhere you can't find it, or never die or 392 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: um take run for a mile, you know, and so 393 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: but then you have to blood track it and find it. 394 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: And then finally, this confluence of events has led to success. 395 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: Any one of those things goes wrong in the midst 396 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: of all of that, and it's difficult, you know. And 397 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: so what you're talking about walking over here, I said, man, 398 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: at least with a hunt like this, whether it's failure 399 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: involved um, you know, no, but you didn't miss a bowl, 400 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: I didn't miss a bull way to any but but 401 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: the failure being just not able to close the distance 402 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: or you know, draw our bows. Can I say sound 403 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: them about what you said about to try traveling hunt 404 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: like man, there is this kind of potential to be 405 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: deceived by people's success at anything could be. It could 406 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: be squirrel hunting, that could be bear hunting, that could 407 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: be elk hunting. But man, when you're traveling and you're 408 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: picking out seven days on a calendar months in advance, 409 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: and you say that's when I'm going to that place, 410 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: and you've got to and you're driving there and you're 411 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: you're there during that time, it's not even in the 412 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: same it's not even the same game as the guy 413 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: that lives there and his hunting and nothing against him 414 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: because back in Arkansas, that's me. I mean, guys talk 415 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: to me all the time about bear hunting in Arkansas 416 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: in National Forest, and I mean, and I'm an open 417 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: book most of the time other than just telling people 418 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: where to go, and deep in my heart, I'm like, 419 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: good luck, dude. That the reason that I'm successful because 420 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: I live there and I'm able to go on a 421 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon when the weather is good, or I'm able 422 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: to say, man, i found a bunch of good sign yesterday, 423 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend the next three days hunting, where if 424 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: I had just picked a date on the calendar would 425 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: have been talking. So you know, you you see all 426 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: these guys killing Alcan. Man, that's incredible, it's awesome. Everybody 427 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: has something that they're approximate to that helps them. And 428 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't kill them traveling because we 429 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: know great, there's plenty of people that do it all 430 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: the time, so it's not but I'm learning that that 431 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: um that the real challenges inside of the transient hunter, 432 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, and that's fun. Um it's uh, but it's 433 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: it is frustrating. It is frustrating. Yeah, and I think 434 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: that's that's Yeah. You add all those things up on 435 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: the way you're talking about earlier, becomes like what's the definition? 436 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: What are you looking for at the end of the day, 437 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: And you and I could seriously say I want to 438 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: kill an ELK. I'm not gonna go on the internet 439 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: and be like, well, you know, it was a good 440 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: time getting to no clay a little bit better and 441 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: hiking around this beautiful clip. No. I enjoyed that. I 442 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: enjoyed that immensely. Um, it was a valuable thing to 443 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: want to kill an elk. But I want to kill 444 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: an elk. I'm not I'm not sitting here saying like, well, 445 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, the value in the hunting is the experience. Nope, Nope. 446 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: I was a great experience, and I'll remember the experience. 447 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: But I'm in the in the mode right now where 448 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: i want to kill an elk, and I'm not gonna 449 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: im mince words. And part of that is when I 450 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: moved to Montana for the exact same thing you just said, 451 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: because I lived in places where I felt as if 452 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: being a transient hunter was about my only option or 453 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: getting rich and buying a ranch, you know, if you're 454 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: talking about Texas, and so then you come here and 455 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: now I have a chance to build these credentials, to 456 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: build this skill set over time, and so now I'm 457 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: at beginning of that journey where I'm learning to call. 458 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: So you've been in Montana about two and a half years. 459 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: Just have been my second residence season. The song of 460 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: my second resident September and so for me, I get 461 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: to now say, like I'm adding, I've writ it in 462 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: my journal every night, kind of like stuff that happened, 463 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: stuff I'm learning just a little. You weren't kidding about that? No, 464 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't getting about that. Did I say that earlier? 465 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: That a kid? I'm serious? Um, And I draw, I 466 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: say Clay was nice to me today a picture. Yeah, 467 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: I like Clay. Will he go honting with me tomorrow? Yes? 468 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: Or no? Check one? But yeah, I mean I do. 469 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: I do think that that is that is rewarding in 470 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: and of itself, knowing that I'm closer to one day 471 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: being out here and realizing I'm good at this now, 472 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Like I know that I wouldn't and I would never 473 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: have gotten here if I didn't do it the way, 474 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: you know, if I didn't get the intellectual property on 475 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: my own, if I didn't struggle, if I didn't hunt 476 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: public land, if I didn't really become a hunter in 477 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: the way that of the experience of failure. Well, that 478 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: sounds like a bugle. Colby, Colby's gone, Colby is off, 479 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Colby's probably he's probably up there bugling at us to 480 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: distract us. Anyhow, We'll see if the elk comes down. 481 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: But um, I just I lost my train of thought 482 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: because I want to kill an elk. I don't know 483 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: why I'm even here podcasting now. I think I might 484 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: just go for a swim. There's there's a lot of 485 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: value and learning something and that's the same journey that 486 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm on. Different in that, Um, you know, I guess 487 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of putting my feet in the water 488 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: of the elk world. And uh, It's funny been last 489 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: year my son and I decided three weeks before we 490 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: left that we were gonna go. Like it never entered 491 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: our mind to elk hunt until about August the seventh 492 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: last year, and uh, and I talked to my wife 493 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: and talked to my son Baron. I said, let's let's 494 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: roll to Colorado and go elk hunting. So I ordered 495 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: some game calls and learn a bugle and do some 496 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: calcolon and so like I've you know, the hunting world 497 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: as glorified elk hunting so much, and rightfully so. It's 498 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: the probably the most majestic horned beast antlered beast on 499 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: the continent. I mean, moose would be debatable, you know, 500 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: but I mean it when I say they glorified. I 501 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: don't mean that in a negative way, but at the 502 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: same time, it's a very tough hunt. It's a low 503 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: percentage just about anywhere you go. Anywhere you go, there's 504 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: about a ten success rate for elk hunters. And I 505 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's specifically okay, but I don't 506 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: know that. Well, that's probably right. And then we heard, 507 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: uh was it Joe the other day that said of 508 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: the ten percent that are successful, if you broke that 509 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: cat those people down, it would be a very small 510 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: percentage of successful hunters that are inside of that ten percent. 511 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Like basically it's the same ten percent of people. Yeah, 512 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: that the transient hunter idea is the successful transing hunter 513 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: is a small percentage of that ten percent. And and 514 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: I think that that's where a guide comes in. That's 515 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: where somebody, that's where these hunts where you either hire 516 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we could have hired a guide 517 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: for public land here, um if we wanted to, or 518 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: we could have you could have went and paid um 519 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: what it would have taken to to hunt this country 520 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: with a guy. Um. But again, it's just even even 521 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: as somebody who travels and I know guys that travel 522 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: from Texas to Colorado every year. I know guys that 523 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: travel from Pennsylvania to Wyoming every year. UM. I have 524 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: friends that would only wish to one day do what 525 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: we're doing. And we're probably listening to this, or we'll 526 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: listen to this and we'll wonder if this could be them, 527 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: if they could be here in this beautiful country having 528 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: chased giant elkin failed miserably. U. UM. And it can 529 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: it can, yeah, it can be you. Um. And you 530 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: can choose to you know, to to approach in any 531 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: of which way, you know, whether it's you really want 532 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: to kill him up, but just to go elk hunt 533 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: is to see it, to test the waters. As you said, 534 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to dip your toe in. I dip my toe in. 535 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: Over the last five or six years. I killed an 536 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: elk every year for four straight years before I moved 537 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: to Montana and then Montana and I felt like, and 538 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: I said this when I moved, I felt like, this 539 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: transient is a very successful transient elk hunter who wasn't 540 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: learning the craft. You come to my house, you would 541 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: walk around my house and be like, man, this dude 542 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: is an elk killer, Like look at these giant elk Uh. Yeah, 543 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to see where right above it's a 544 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: stamp um. But you caught to my house and you'd 545 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: be like, look at this. You would ask me about 546 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the elk, and we would look at him, and when 547 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: you would marvel at how big a couple of them are. Um, 548 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that, uh, that I know what 549 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing. That doesn't mean that I know this craft 550 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: and I have the skill set to transfer what I've 551 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: learned on those killing those big elk into what I'm 552 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: doing now. And so in a way, I had to 553 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: start over and really commit myself both my both for 554 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: myself and and I appreciate the honesty of that, you know, 555 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: because it's not all just about having a big animal, 556 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: but it's about the way and not that those have 557 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: any less value. Let me just say I'm not I'm not. 558 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like WHOA, I would say the honesty 559 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: of this elk because I got to go to a 560 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: place and somebody helped me, showed me where they were, 561 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: and I got it done from there. If we go 562 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: back to like the eight elements of the things that 563 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: have to come together to be successful in those instances, 564 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: you eliminate a few of them, four of them probably, 565 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: but you still have to do that. In a guided situation, 566 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: probably land situation, you're losing some of those things become 567 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: less important, exactly, those challenge factors exactly. Well, the biggest 568 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: elk I've ever killed was on public land and the 569 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: place I've never been before, and so that I can't 570 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: say that, but I didn't Again, I was still a 571 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: transi hunter. I didn't know how to call them. I 572 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: didn't really know how to use the country other than 573 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: that there were a lot of them. And I was 574 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: lucky to be in the area that I was in, 575 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: um in Utah, And I was lucky to draw a 576 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: tag that would allow me to hunt a place where 577 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: it was abundant with giant l and I was lucky 578 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: enough to have a rifle in my hand. Um And 579 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: so you know, it goes back to stuff we talked 580 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: about all the time. What kind of challenge do you 581 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: want and what kind of outcome do you desire? And 582 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: then once you get that outcome, like me, would you 583 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: shift the baseline to say, like, killing a big elk 584 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: is great, but being able to take you out and 585 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: your son bear out in a couple of years and 586 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: really have this down, Um, I think is just my 587 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: goal shift. My goal shifted too that and and that's 588 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of why I want to kill it so bad, 589 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: because I want to see this payoff, because I have 590 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time away from my family and 591 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I feel that I like the idea 592 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: of coming back to a specific place here after year, 593 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: if you could get the tag and really learn it. 594 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: My most my most valuable hunting experiences have been in 595 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: places that I was connected to the place in that 596 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: connection doesn't have to mean that you're from there or 597 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: your dad hunted there, not that, but just I'm now, 598 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: I've spent seven days of sweat on these mountains and uh, 599 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: and spend it with good friends here. And um, Colby, 600 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: did you hear in the elk? I heard? That's the 601 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: same one. He's in his bed, isn't he? He'll come 602 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: down the water. We'll kill him. See if he could 603 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: push him over here? Why don't you walk around and 604 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: take it enter. We're gonna take it interstitial you guys 605 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: can test my new bugling abilities and see if you 606 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: like it. We'll take a quick interspecial break for me 607 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: to bugle at this elk. Hang on, go ahead, and 608 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and narrate this. So yeah, Ben is uh, 609 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: he's got his Phelps bugle tube here, got chested out. 610 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: You have to test out and make sure that you 611 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't blow out the late text. Ben. Ben has had 612 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: a challenge finding a diaphragm called fit his mouth. I've 613 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: heard um, but he's a He's like, okay, here we go, listener. 614 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: Ben makes odd gyrations when he bugles, moves from side 615 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: to side. It really gives the sounds and yeah, realism, realism. Yeah, 616 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a stationary bugler. I'm I'm 617 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: working on the like the l bulls, like the building 618 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: of the Woo, like the Yeah, I'm working on the 619 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: bridge and uh and in the other parts. So whatever. 620 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm like you, dude, I picked up an 621 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: alcohol two years ago and I thought, you know, I 622 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: saw I've been around again. I've been around hunters that 623 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: are exceptional at calling some of the best in the 624 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: in the country, in the world, and um, having seen that, 625 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I got a long way to go, 626 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: but it's nice to be getting there. It's nice to 627 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: be like traveling down the road to really learn something 628 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: really really well on this hunt. What I learned been 629 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: last year in Colorado, we we actually called a bull 630 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: in on the third day, two bulls that I didn't 631 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 1: realize were legal, and so I was at full draw 632 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: and passed the bull at eighteen yards that ended up 633 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: being legal, and I didn't know it because I didn't 634 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: know fully the rigs. But that was the only elk 635 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: and counter I had ever in a hunting situation. This 636 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: hunt has been really valuable to me because we we 637 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: have been watching elk, We're kind of watching what they do. 638 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: I'm able to come back to the same place day 639 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: after day and see, you know, answer some of these 640 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: questions of like, well they were elk clare today? Are 641 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: there going to be elk there tomorrow? And most of 642 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: the time in this country the answer has been no. Um. 643 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: But a few times they've been in the same areas. 644 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: But just been able to watch these elk, listen to 645 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: them vocalized, listen to them bugle Uh. This is the 646 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: first hunt I've heard an elk bugle ben in Colorado. 647 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: Last year, even though we called in two raghorns, we 648 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: did not hear a bugle the entire hunt we were 649 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: there early. But so this, yeah, this has been an 650 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: incredible experience. Yeah, I mean, and we're not. We didn't 651 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: hit the rud either. I mean, this is not uh, 652 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: we're getting there. They're starting to round up their cows 653 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: and and move them around the bigger bulls. But we're not. 654 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: We're not in the peak of it. You know, if 655 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: some people think of it like like there's a day 656 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: where it turns on and that day shifts depending on 657 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: where you are. But there's a day where you just 658 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: feel like they're slobber and elk willing to run to 659 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: ten feet if you just to check you out of 660 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: you make the right sounds. We haven't quite experienced that, 661 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: but it's been close to that. We had it. Yesterday 662 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: was a windy crap of a day kind of but 663 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: today is beautiful. That wind blew out all the smoke 664 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: and today is a beautiful blue sky day. And and 665 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: and this morning you just you know, when the light 666 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: came up and the and the drainage were in like 667 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: they just started up. You know, for the first time 668 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of weeks, it started to kiss 669 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: the tops of these ridges and you felt like you 670 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: were in you know, late September l And so there's 671 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: there's definitely a feeling there too. And there's nothing more 672 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: fun than that chess game we played today because I 673 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: would say, just you know, by the bye on the 674 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: point that we were making about learning how to be 675 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: an elk hunter, really learning, we made the right place. Yeah, 676 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: we were cautious enough to get above them and see 677 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: where they were and what they wanted to do. And 678 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: then when they moved, we moved. We ran, and we moved, asked, 679 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: and we were just I mean, we miss him by 680 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: ten minutes. Um. If they would have stopped and got 681 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: a drink of water, if they would have if a 682 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: bull would have came and and challenge them, that bull 683 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: with the club, you know, maybe they would have stopped 684 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: for ten minutes. And if we can't we popped out 685 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: into the creek. Where we did, we were right on them. 686 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: We were on solid tracks where you know, they would 687 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: have been eighty ninety yards from where we popped out. 688 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: We could have made a call and then where he 689 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: completed the bulldog and that we talked about earlier. So 690 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's closest, it closest close. 691 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: It feels good to be close, but it's still it 692 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: still irks you a little bit. Uh, but you brought 693 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: your boy out here. Huh yeah. So so Bear Bear 694 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: is fourteen years old. He did have to miss some school, 695 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: but they're doing quite a bit of virtual schooling. So 696 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: my wife and I made the decision that he was 697 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: gonna come with me. And uh, man, here, Ben, you've 698 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: got younger kids, I've got older kids. This is what 699 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: I've learned when they turned sixteen. You you often think 700 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: when they turned eighteen and like go to college, you 701 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: kind of lose, you know, they break away just a 702 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: little bit. Well, when they turned sixteen and get a 703 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: car and start getting jobs, they can't go with dad 704 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: for ten days wherever they want. And so it bears fourteen. 705 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: And I told my wife, I said, you know, there's 706 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: only a couple more years where you know, he's not 707 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: gonna have a Usually our kids get a job when 708 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: they're sixteen, and we try to start introducing them to 709 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: being a normal, good human and working. And so I 710 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: I wanted Bear to come. I wanted him to to 711 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: experience this. And uh, we've we've worked him. Um yeah, 712 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: so it's been great having him here. Yeah. What I 713 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: mean is that you guys are gone on another Hunt's obviously. 714 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: Do you see changes in him when he comes to 715 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: this country. Do you see like that he appreciated the 716 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: time with you, the time in camp, the time like 717 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,479 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's value at different levels. There's 718 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: a to me, there's like this responsibility that he's learning from. 719 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: I talked to him about at school, you know, just like, hey, man, 720 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna come, you're really gonna have to You 721 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: can't do bad in a class, I will be in. 722 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: My reputation will be ruined. Uh So, there's responsibility of 723 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this kind of stuff, you have 724 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: to be responsible in other areas of your life. And Ben, 725 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: that's something I talked about all the time. As hunters. 726 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: We talked about limiting factors in our hunting, and we 727 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: try to be like better elk callers and better and 728 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: better shape and all this and a lot of us. 729 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: If we took care of the other parts of our 730 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: life better, we would have more time, and we would 731 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: in that time would be more quality time because we 732 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be um stressed out about all the chaos that's 733 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: in other places. Let me just say this point is 734 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: a great point, because preparedness for hunting is directly correlates 735 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: with what you just said. How much time you spend 736 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: shooting your bow, how much time you spend getting your 737 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: gear prepared, how much time you've spend looking at onyx maps. 738 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: Is how much time you have to do those things 739 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: and can commit to those things. I I fascinated. Sometimes 740 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really prepared and other times, like, man, 741 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: work was crazy, kids were crazy. Kids started school in September, 742 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: um it got wild. Um And what I'm saying is 743 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: that limiting factor often is uh is time. Like that's 744 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: the biggest thing, is just like your time away. So 745 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: what I'm teaching Bear is that, hey, you take care 746 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: of business and these other portions of life and then 747 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: you'll have the time. So that was the number one 748 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: thing because last year when I took him Ben and 749 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: my wife readily brought this up to me. He came 750 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: back and kind of had a hard time jumping back 751 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: into the routine. And so I told him, I said, hey, 752 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: you think you can do that? And so that was 753 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: a personal challenge for him, and and he's he's already 754 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: done a lot of his work. Um. So that's this 755 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 1: like real functional responsibility thing, um Man. When a young 756 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: kid is fourteen years old. They a young boy. They 757 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: every kid is different, but you know, they're starting to 758 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: find their own identity, and in part of that identity 759 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: sometimes it's seeing your dad or maybe where your dad 760 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: wasn't always right. I mean, they're kind of just awakening 761 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: into adulthood. And uh, you know what I wanted for 762 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: bearing on this trip was you know, I wanted to uh. 763 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to show him that valued him enough to 764 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: bring him on something that was really important to me. 765 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: And so I think this this trip for us has 766 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: been Uh. I think he's he is appreciated that I 767 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: brought him if I could. It sounds really simple, but 768 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: bears not super expressive. I told, I told somebody yesterday, 769 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: he's probably the least visibly expressive of any of the kids, 770 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh in uh, but so that's important. Man, 771 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: for a kid to just know that his dad loves him. 772 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: That sounds simple, but we all as adults, even deal 773 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: with this fatherly issue inside of our life, have wanted 774 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: to be validated, wanting to be accepted, um, wanting to 775 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: be challenged and given instruction from my father. We all 776 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: have that desire, we really do, even if it's hard 777 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: sometimes so yeah, it's been I think that's been. That's 778 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: been good for us. Um and Bear is a good 779 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,959 Speaker 1: woodsman man. I tell you what I would I would take. 780 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: I would put he's inexperienced. But I would put I 781 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: would say, Baron Ukelem, saddle up that mule and ride 782 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: all the way over that mountain and see if you 783 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: find elk. And he'd do it. Oh yeah, he saddled up. 784 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: He's I'm gonna go glass for Elk on this nob. 785 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: And he just sat up a mule and and off 786 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: he went. I thought, why, I know some thirty year 787 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: old men that couldn't do that, or wouldn't do that, 788 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: or might fall off that mule. Probably Bear's got a 789 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,959 Speaker 1: lot of desire to for hunting, like all my kids 790 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: have hunted, uh and have different varying levels of true 791 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: interest in it. Bear, I mean I really think, I mean, 792 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: he's going to be a hunter. He he has a 793 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: lot of desire um. And not every kid's gonna have 794 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,919 Speaker 1: that the same. You know, I've said many times before, 795 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, yeah, I want my kids to 796 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: be hunters, but they're not supposed to take it as 797 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: serious as I am. I mean, like that's the other 798 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: thing inside hunting is, like you here, not everybody has 799 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: to take it ultruth serious. There's there's value in the 800 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: guy that goes to deer Camp three easy year and 801 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: buy his hunting license and contributes to conservation and you know, 802 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: kills a deer. Then there's also the value and the 803 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: guys like us that are like dedicated our lives to it, 804 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: like to the extreme, and it found a way to 805 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: you know, provide for our families through it financially. Not 806 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: everybody's supposed to be like that, So I don't think 807 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't need all my kids to be that. But 808 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,720 Speaker 1: but Baar loves it, and he yeah, I would almost 809 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I hate to even speculate 810 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: about this, but you know, my son is about to 811 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: turn four, and I think of this idea that I 812 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: don't want him to try to be. What if he said, Dad, 813 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 1: I want to have a podcast, I would say, okay, 814 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: if that's what you really want. Um, I want you 815 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: to take part in the things I take part in, 816 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: but I want you to find your own way to it. 817 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: You know, I found my own way. My dad hunts, 818 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: but I found my own way, and then I eventually 819 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: brought him along with me, UM, which is awesome for 820 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: both of us, I think. And so if he said, Dad, 821 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: I want to be a wildlife followed, that would be 822 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: I would be so thrilled to hear that, because he 823 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: would find his own way to the appreciations that I've 824 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: found instead of trying to copycat. Is you know, even 825 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: at any age really, but you know, and I know 826 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: at some age you just want to follow your dad. 827 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: And that's how I was. I've been like twelve years old. 828 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: All I want to do is follow my dad. I 829 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: didn't really care where, and hunting was very much just 830 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: like having a sandwich with him in the woods. It was. Man, 831 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: that's valuable. Being to have a twelve year old or 832 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: fourteen year old that wants to follow their dad is 833 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 1: a big deal. And in the trend of the age 834 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: is um is broken up families in whatever way, and 835 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: anything that can bring that back together is a positive thing. Yeah, yeah, 836 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: you're right, and that those those years for me defined 837 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: a lot of what I do UM in a strange way, 838 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: and like it. And I think you put it well 839 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: to say that you know, you really want to follow 840 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: your dad, but you also want to have this relationship 841 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: that has a little more definition to it, and in 842 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: the woods there is definition to it. I'm the leader. 843 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: You follow me. I tell you. I tell you to 844 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: point and shoot. I tell you when to take the 845 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: safety off. I tell you what how to be safe 846 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: with a with a firearmor, archery, tackle, I how I 847 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: tell you how to shut the door, not to be 848 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: too loud. I tell you when it's time to eat lunch, 849 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: and when it's time to take a nap, and when 850 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: it's time to get real serious about um being successful 851 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: and so those I think those things are helpful interactions 852 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: too with the kid to define those roles and um 853 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: man it I just we didn't do. I regret not 854 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: doing a podcast with my dad when he was we 855 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: al khind last week. He has followed me on Instagram. 856 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: You saw a little bit of that action. But um, 857 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: you know it was time. I think he wanted to 858 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: spend with with my kids. So did he have I 859 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: know he had a great time, But like did he 860 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: did he have a great time? Yeah? I think I 861 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: think he did. And the same thing we were talking 862 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: about coming up the creek here after we didn't get 863 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: into those bulls like we wanted to today you're tired. 864 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: You're you're thinking hard about like the little failures and 865 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: little idiosyncrasies that didn't go right. You're tired. You you 866 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: are if if you're like me, and you're really starting 867 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: to get um hard on yourself and competitive, and you know, 868 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: like that inner voice that says, like you can do better, 869 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: you need to do better, you need to work harder, 870 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: and this is something you really want to get good at. 871 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: I think he had that, which I thought was really cool. Um. 872 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to see him go through 873 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: that because he got a new bow. He got a 874 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,399 Speaker 1: new Matthews bow. He shot a crossbow for years, so 875 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: he worked hard and he was calling me. That was 876 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: almost the coolest part of our on For him to 877 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: call me twice a week, or him to send me 878 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 1: pictures of his groups every time he should bow. Um, 879 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: that was almost as cool as anything. And then to 880 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: see him he has my dad has a great appreciation 881 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: for nature, um, and a great appreciation for all wildlife. 882 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: He knows every bird, he knows every tree. He understands 883 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: the rhythms of nature. And to see him hike up 884 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: on a ridge with me and look over into a 885 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: valley and and see this like most beautiful vista and 886 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: just have him kind of be like, hey, let's stop 887 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: a minute. You want to just stop a minute and 888 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 1: look here, and and you know a lot of wows, 889 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot of amazing A deer hunter back in Maryland. Yeah, yeah, 890 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: mainly deer hunter. I think, you know, like I was 891 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,839 Speaker 1: saying earlier, I think he found he found these other 892 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: types of hunting through me when I got into the 893 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: industry and started doing some things and started really being 894 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: realizing my own passion expanded from what we did as kids. 895 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, we were to those weekend deer hunters. As kids, 896 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: we hunted a lot of deer as much as we 897 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,359 Speaker 1: possibly could. And you know, you're dodging, like you are now, 898 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: you're dodging your new job and your your sports, and 899 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: you're you're kind of doing that, so you kind of 900 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: become a weekend hunter only by the the only time 901 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: you have to go. And he would have to go 902 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: because he ran a small business. But yeah, we were 903 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: very much like the very common Eastern weekend warrior deer hunters. 904 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: We pointed as much as we couldn't have fallen. That's 905 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: kind of all we see acronym for that common Western 906 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: Weekend Warrior Deer Hunters sued seed. Yeah, we can work 907 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: on it. We got a lot of marketing atis. We'll 908 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: talk about bargaries here in a minute what we can 909 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: do with that. But see, that was it. I mean that, 910 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, it felt really normal, It felt very communal. 911 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: It felt, um, just like another thing that we did. Uh. 912 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: We also sat around and watch sports a lot. That 913 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: was just another thing we did, you know. But Honey 914 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: was just like, that's pretty cool that you could bring 915 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: him out here and pretty much hunt from the house 916 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: if you know, you're driving from your house, and yeah, 917 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: he was seeing your kids. That's cool. Yeah, it was 918 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: a good common family family deal. We would hunt in 919 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: the morning and then go grab launch and I would work, 920 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: and he would see my kids and and spend time 921 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: with his grandkids because he doesn't get to see him 922 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: as often as I know. He and I would both 923 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: like and so that was a good combination, like a 924 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: weird mix, a weird transitional mix in our lives, I think, 925 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: because eventually, hopefully those two boys will be with us, 926 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: you know. Um, and you know what, I'll say this honestly, 927 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: and this is something I don't didn't know that I 928 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: wanted would say publicly, but I will is that it 929 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: I got. I like, I got desperate for him to 930 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: live a long time. You know, I was debt like 931 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 1: walking around the woods of him being like man, you know, 932 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: because he had heart surgery this year, yet um hard issues, 933 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: that's hard issues for a long time. And walking around 934 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: the woods with him and seeing him with my young children, 935 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: I got that was like this and not even quiet desperation. 936 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: This was like a very loud desperation that this man 937 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,280 Speaker 1: lived for a very long time and so we could 938 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: see this kind of all come come back, you know, 939 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: to have a my son's has twelve year olds with him, 940 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: and me like, I gotta have that. So I'm if 941 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: you're cardiologists, call me up. I need tips from my 942 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: old man. Um. So yeah, that they're That was part 943 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,959 Speaker 1: of it too, an interesting part of it. That's something 944 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: that was more internal for me than I thought it 945 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: would be. But um, you know, end up doing it 946 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,399 Speaker 1: during a pandemics also kind of makes you realize lots 947 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: of things. I said, we're probably elk hunters are probably 948 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: a few in in in the statistical category of small. 949 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: What am I trying to say? We're the only people 950 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: in North America right now that aren't hadn't washed their 951 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,399 Speaker 1: hands in seven days. That's what I'm trying to say. 952 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 1: I was looking at my fingered that was when I 953 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: was making that hand analogy. I'm like Jesus, let's say, 954 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:45,280 Speaker 1: looking good or using hand sanitizer. We're all like cooking 955 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: food with each other and then reaching in the pickle jar. 956 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: Here's a good point that I like to hear your 957 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: your thoughts on I feel, and I probably said this 958 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,919 Speaker 1: on the show before. I do feel and a hunt 959 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: like this. It takes me about a day and a 960 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 1: half to two days slough off society, to get rid 961 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: of it, to to slough off any kind of work 962 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,359 Speaker 1: life balance, things that are family balanced, things that are 963 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: bothering me work, you know, slough off this idea that 964 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 1: I could might go be able to sit on the couch, 965 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: or I might be able to go in the air conditioning, 966 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: or it might be. You know, it takes me about 967 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: two days to kind of mentally and physically, you know, 968 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: expel all of that softness and then it starts to 969 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: get good. You know, you can hike a ridge and 970 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: think like I haven't looked in a mirror in three days. 971 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what I look like. I don't care. 972 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what I smell like. I don't care. 973 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 1: All I care about is this hill in that elk 974 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: and the rest of it is gone. Yeah, I'd say 975 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: that's that's really close to what how I would describe it. 976 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 1: It's a unique feeling that I don't know that a 977 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: lot of humans get to have. Um, there are there 978 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: are other people that are using outdoor the outdoors and 979 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: in extended for extended time periods, but they're few and 980 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: far between. I mean, like, what other thing would cause 981 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,439 Speaker 1: us to come out here for seven days and camp 982 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,839 Speaker 1: like this. I mean, we wouldn't just come out here 983 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: to camp. We very few people would come out here 984 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: just a hike for seven days. Like the hunting experience 985 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: is one of those things that draws us into wild places, 986 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: and it does take some time to adjust to that. 987 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,240 Speaker 1: And by about day three, and especially on day four, 988 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,839 Speaker 1: you don't even know what day it is. I think 989 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: by by the fourth day, you don't know if it's uh, 990 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: Tuesday or Wednesday or I find I lose track of that, 991 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: and and then you're just kind of in this rhythm 992 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 1: and it feels it always on the first part of 993 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 1: the hunt, it always feels like you've got this enormous 994 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: amount of time, and then by about the fifth day, 995 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: the days just fly by in every opportunity just seems 996 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: like it's doubled in speed. And here we are on 997 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: the seventh day. And uh and I mean I honestly, 998 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't feel fatigued. Uh. I guess mentally maybe a 999 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: little bit, just because we've not killed an elk, but 1000 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 1: like almost I was. I just I just feel like 1001 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: this is where I live. My God, man, I could 1002 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: not express how much I think this is where I 1003 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: should be. Like, I can't express how much like wearing 1004 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: these first light clothes feels like what I should be 1005 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: doing all the time. I when I take them off 1006 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,240 Speaker 1: and wash them in the wash, I am so sad 1007 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: that I now have to like put on on a 1008 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: collar shirt or I just it. Man, I could never 1009 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: I'll never I don't know. Maybe I'll write a book 1010 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 1: one day, but I'll never be able to express how 1011 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,919 Speaker 1: much this feels like what I ought to be doing. 1012 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: What what were we saying yesterday been that they estimate 1013 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: that there's been a hundred and eight billion humans that 1014 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: have ever lived on the earth and most of those 1015 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: humans were hunter gatherers, most of them. Yeah, I mean 1016 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 1: they they this was their life. Yeah, I mean, I 1017 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're not rough and we're in a camp. 1018 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,879 Speaker 1: We made antelope, you know, potatoes onions last night. And 1019 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: but it's like that that even that element of it's 1020 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: still you're without some of the things that become negatives 1021 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: in your life. You know, you're kind of without some 1022 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: of the modernity that that kind of ken if you 1023 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: allow it to become poisonous um and and it just 1024 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: it just feels like when you're pride, when you're when 1025 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 1: it's rhythmic, like you said, when you're in a rhythmic 1026 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: situation with the landscape, like we are here, what are 1027 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: we doing right now? These elk are laying down? What 1028 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: are we doing when they're elk? Goal was taken a 1029 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 1: nap when when the elk are on their feet, were 1030 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 1: on their feet, were working hard. Um, we want to 1031 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: go we want to be at water when they go 1032 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 1: to water, you know. And so when you get in 1033 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,399 Speaker 1: that rhythm and that's kind of your primary other things 1034 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: that are destroy actions from that. You know that to me, 1035 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: that element is perfect, It's perfect and it it eliminates 1036 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 1: this idea that I have to be clean, or have 1037 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: to look a certain way, or have to act a 1038 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,919 Speaker 1: certain way. The only thing that matters is I'm willing 1039 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: to get up at four thirty in the morning and 1040 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: do whatever I have to do, you know, to to 1041 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: be in that rhythm and to experience that. And that's it. 1042 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: We did this every day of our life, and our 1043 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: our means of survival was actually acquiring meat and and 1044 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: edible goods and finding shelter and whatnot. We'd get real good, 1045 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: real quick, and knowing what was worth expending energy towards. Yesterday, 1046 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: the wind was blown thirty miles per hour, and we 1047 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: all got up and went out hunting, and we said 1048 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 1: after the morning, we were like, when you have seven 1049 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: days to hunt, hunt on days like this, like, yeah, 1050 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,919 Speaker 1: you don't stay back. You just can't. But if we 1051 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: if if we did this three and sixty five days 1052 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: a year, this is the day that you stay back 1053 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: at camp and put on calories from what you killed 1054 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 1: three days before. I mean, our limiting factors here are 1055 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: like the thing that we left, this is the society family. 1056 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to this is not in a negative 1057 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680 Speaker 1: connotation in any way like the pushing pool of this 1058 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: experience in terms of what limits us from being out 1059 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: here forever is the things we have back home, is 1060 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: the things that we have as responsibilities. As things we 1061 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: have is are you know, the things that give us 1062 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: fulfillment back there um and our priorities in our lives. 1063 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: That's the push pool ultimately of the time. When you 1064 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 1: say seven days seven days is about as much time 1065 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 1: as you can expend doing this and still have a 1066 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: functional life when you get back um and not do 1067 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: any real harm to your daily life or your work 1068 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 1: life or or anything like that. Then my wife's rooting 1069 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: for us. She uh, she the first I mean, I 1070 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: feel most pressure ben from her, for she wants to 1071 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: eat an elk. She loves elk. She wants to eat 1072 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: an elk. And on the second day over here in 1073 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: this other little draw um, when I was within striking 1074 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: distance of two velvet spikes and a couple of cows, 1075 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,240 Speaker 1: I took this video, and Bear was with me, and 1076 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: I videoed these elk and then I spun it around 1077 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: to Bear, and then I ended up later sending that 1078 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: to Misty, and she said, she said, what's the problem. 1079 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: Why didn't you shoot those up? And I said, well, 1080 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: they were only cows. I didn't tell her about the spikes. 1081 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 1: I said there were cows, and she said, ah, there's 1082 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: the problem, Clay. Those are not cows. Those were elk Yea. 1083 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes your spouse says something and you realize that 1084 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: they ain not be on the same page as you. 1085 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: That's the problems. Those aren't Cal's Clay, those are elk Yep. 1086 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: You're not really, you're not tracking this man. Yeah. I 1087 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 1: mean my wife's the same way. She she wants to 1088 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: eat elegant and she that's her favorite meat. And and 1089 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: she my son is rooting for me, like they have 1090 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: a vested interest in this too, because they know why 1091 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm here and they want I think they want success 1092 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,960 Speaker 1: for me, but I think they also want, you know, 1093 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: this all to be validated, this time spent away from them, 1094 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,840 Speaker 1: to be validated in a way that and that validation 1095 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: is awesome when you all this comes together, like the 1096 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: sacrifices they're made with not having me around, because it 1097 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 1: certainly is a sacrifice for both of them, all of them, um, 1098 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: and the sacrifices I've made to try to do this. 1099 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: When that when that culminates in like a nice steak 1100 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 1: dinner that adds I mean, it doesn't just add to 1101 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,680 Speaker 1: the feeling. It kind of defines the feeling of when 1102 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: that happens. That's why it gives all this value. You know, 1103 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Like we sometimes hunters think that we are kind of independent, 1104 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: and like we we like to go out in wild places, 1105 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: usually by ourselves. I mean, I hunt like this, we're 1106 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: with other people. But really what gives that that solitude, 1107 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: in this independent experience value is that we have someone 1108 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 1: to share it with. I mean, that's what gives it value. 1109 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if if we didn't have family, if we 1110 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: didn't have friends, if we didn't have these other people, 1111 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 1: this wouldn't have as much value. That's what I'm seeing 1112 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: more and more is that so much of the value 1113 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,960 Speaker 1: of what we do is not just in this because 1114 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,080 Speaker 1: what if we just did this and we had no 1115 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: one to share it to. I think there's a Brandy 1116 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Carlyle song that says uh. I think it says, uh, 1117 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,760 Speaker 1: these lines on my face tell the story of my life. 1118 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,000 Speaker 1: But if there's no one to tell the story too, 1119 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: they don't mean anything. It's true, And that goes back 1120 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: to the push did I get it right. Colby is 1121 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: thinking that now we're just getting too It's like it's 1122 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, let's look for elk man Brandy Carlile. That 1123 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: may be the first Brandy Carlile reference ever on the 1124 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: podcast and about two of talking well done, Clay, well done. 1125 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I get him in that the 1126 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: push pool is that is kind of washed over by 1127 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that idea too, that that you want to get back 1128 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to them and share this with them. And I think 1129 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,920 Speaker 1: that might be to bring maybe bring it all around 1130 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,160 Speaker 1: for me talking about you know what why I moved 1131 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 1: to Montana, why I wanted this to be UM kind 1132 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,200 Speaker 1: of the place we we stay for until they kick 1133 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: us out, is is all of that, you know, all 1134 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 1: of this together to be able to learn a craft, 1135 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: share that with my children, allow them the paths and 1136 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: opportunities to do do those things that I appreciate, UM 1137 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: and to see to see like in their backyard that 1138 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: they can go killing elk, they can enjoy its flesh, 1139 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 1: they can UM have that be a part of their 1140 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: lifestyle and the way that they live in the way 1141 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: that they connect not only to the outside but to 1142 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: their family and the people, their friends, people around them, 1143 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: like I want all that for them, And I see 1144 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 1: public land, and I see elk and deer and bears 1145 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: as a vector of of that thing that I want 1146 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 1: for them ultimately. And then you know, that desperation to 1147 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: have my dad around long enough to for him to 1148 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: also see that come from film, because he's the reason 1149 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: that that that that would happen if it does. So 1150 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I think all of that is kind of what I'm 1151 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: looking for, um, you know from Montana. Yeah, that's all 1152 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 1: you gotta do for me, Montana. It's just just just 1153 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: do it. Now. We should talk about bear grease. There's 1154 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: no really transition to bear grease from what we were 1155 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 1: just talking about, but we should talk about bargreas. Can 1156 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: you to just just define your relationship with Barrier, Like 1157 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: what you're wearing a hat that says bear grease? Colby's 1158 01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: wearing camp the other day. Uh, one of the guys 1159 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: we were with was like, what is colbe and I 1160 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,840 Speaker 1: both have these hats on it say Bargeras And he said, 1161 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 1: what is bar grease? And um no, so, Ben, bear 1162 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: grease is a real thing, and it is actually a 1163 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:22,160 Speaker 1: rendered rendered fat from the from the fat of a bear. 1164 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: You heat fat and it Uh, it turns into a 1165 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: liquid oil that doesn't go rancid as quickly as as 1166 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: pork lard. So historically, in much of North America, bear fat, 1167 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: especially from the you know, from the time of European 1168 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: exploration and colonization up until you know, probably the Civil War, 1169 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 1: bear fat was a very common way too. Uh. You know, 1170 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: you needed you needed grease for for cooking, for all 1171 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 1: the different things you can use lard for. And so anyway, 1172 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: bear grease is that. And um, but it's more than that. 1173 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: It's more than that. UM. Feed me along here if 1174 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm not. If I'm not, because we talked about this extensively, 1175 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,400 Speaker 1: but now that my One of my favorite books is 1176 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 1: written by a guy named fred Frederick Gerstalker, uh eighteen 1177 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,960 Speaker 1: between eighteen thirty seven and eighteen forty four. He he 1178 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: traveled in Arkansas, and he was a guy. He was 1179 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 1: a rich kid from Germany that had a really good education. 1180 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,480 Speaker 1: He was twenty one years old when he got here, 1181 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and he traveled and hunted with within what then was 1182 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the Frontier. And uh he did a lot of bear 1183 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,800 Speaker 1: hunting in Arkansas, and he had his favorite dog was 1184 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: named Beargrease. And uh, now beargrease has always been something 1185 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: special to me for whatever reason, just that they it's 1186 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,960 Speaker 1: it's it's really a kind of a folksy thing, you know. 1187 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 1: They say that you can forecast weather with beargrease, and 1188 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: I've been airmtten without first several years and uh, barg 1189 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,360 Speaker 1: rease does change inconsistency based upon bar metric pressure and 1190 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,680 Speaker 1: different things. And there was a man named Gordon wim 1191 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: Sat in uh I think White Cloud, New Mexico, that 1192 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:23,160 Speaker 1: became world famous for predicting weather in earthquakes with burger ease. 1193 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 1: What was his name, I'm pretty sure it was Gordon Wimsat. 1194 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,840 Speaker 1: We wrote an article about him and Barony magazine and 1195 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 1: he has he has a chart. We we have the chart. 1196 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,439 Speaker 1: Uh we we published it with permission a few years ago. 1197 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 1: But he has a whole chart of when you put 1198 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,640 Speaker 1: a jar Burgers in the south facing window, what it 1199 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,600 Speaker 1: does and what that means. And he was actually on 1200 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: like the Today Show in the nineties seventies because he 1201 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:57,520 Speaker 1: predicted an earthquake in South America. Yes, um, but now 1202 01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Burgaris has lots of practical uses. You know, you can 1203 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: that's pretty practical. Yeah, if you could predict major you 1204 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,040 Speaker 1: know catastrophes. The actually predicted a global pandemic last year. 1205 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: We didn't say anything about it. You forgot, I forgot 1206 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 1: to mention it. We're so worried about, you know, the grease. 1207 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: The grease. Yeah, all right, what else can it do? Like, 1208 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,160 Speaker 1: are you like you want? Like actually what people use 1209 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: it for? Well, I can cure baldness, Yeah, yeah, they 1210 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: they they very much so are adamant about the the 1211 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: old literature that it h you're not balt cold even 1212 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: wearing a hat all week. He's got a full head 1213 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: of hair. At least your hair. Yeah, this looks good. 1214 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 1: You're not gonna need any grease anytime soon. Now, you're fine, 1215 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 1: You're fine. They can you can use it for conditioning leather. 1216 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 1: It's it really doesn't totally waterproof it, but back in 1217 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,680 Speaker 1: the day it would have done a better job of 1218 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,240 Speaker 1: water proof than anything else. What I like to use 1219 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: it for is cooking ben like anything you're frying, if 1220 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,240 Speaker 1: you're frying fish, if you're frying elk, back strap. Man, 1221 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,720 Speaker 1: I wish we had something if you're frying anything. Barrel 1222 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: oil is a very clean, very uh you know, has 1223 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: a it's just great fry like pan frying oil. UM. 1224 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,920 Speaker 1: They used to use it to lubricate anything that was metal, 1225 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: like a flint, like muzzleloaders, different things. They would loop 1226 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: up their patch and ball in a musket with bear grease. 1227 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,440 Speaker 1: Lots of different usage usages. And what I the reason 1228 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,240 Speaker 1: I like that phrase and we use that so much 1229 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: is because the bear grease deal is it's it's kind 1230 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of like this lost thing. Like when we started rendering 1231 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: bear fat writing stuff about it, it was it was 1232 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,480 Speaker 1: kind of like this this lost commodity that at one 1233 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 1: time was super valuable and then the world bypassed it. 1234 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we're kind of I like coming back 1235 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: to some of those things. We can't have a get 1236 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 1: tupop here because we need our bear pop relations to 1237 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,840 Speaker 1: remain intact. But it doesn't you know, it points back 1238 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: to a lot of things we were You and I 1239 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,080 Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about kind of the bedrocks 1240 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,919 Speaker 1: of your life and some of the things that you've 1241 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: crafted that you know, I hope people can go listen 1242 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to your podcast Bear on a magazine podcast and UM 1243 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:25,719 Speaker 1: learn about But those bedrocks are kind of like faith, family, outdoors, UM. 1244 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of traditions you're what you told 1245 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,800 Speaker 1: me you were eighth or not your eighth generation kids 1246 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:37,760 Speaker 1: eight generation. And you know that is connected to a 1247 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,639 Speaker 1: lot of things, you know, the way that you live, 1248 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 1: what you value, the ways you see the world. You know, 1249 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:47,120 Speaker 1: and I think funny, it's funny that bear grease is 1250 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 1: is very analogous to that. In some ways. There's a 1251 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,679 Speaker 1: lot of things that probably that you that your family 1252 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: done have been passed by in the modern age that 1253 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: you can always draw back to. And um that is 1254 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,200 Speaker 1: still that are still useful are people? Um? So just 1255 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,400 Speaker 1: tell us all the things. What are all the things 1256 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: that people should know about everything? Everything? But we were 1257 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,280 Speaker 1: talking about one thing I think we can close on 1258 01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,560 Speaker 1: and I know this can be some somewhat difficult to 1259 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,760 Speaker 1: talk about, but it's important. Is your this idea of 1260 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,840 Speaker 1: of your faith and how it translates to what you do. 1261 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:29,479 Speaker 1: And right now you know that's something you're comfortable talking about. Sure, No, 1262 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,639 Speaker 1: you know, my my faith is the bedrock of everything 1263 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,840 Speaker 1: that I do. It's the foundation of my it's the 1264 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,120 Speaker 1: foundation of why I want to bring my son here 1265 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:48,800 Speaker 1: with me. Um. You know, um in in hunting is 1266 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: not that I hear some people in the outdoor world, 1267 01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,160 Speaker 1: talking about like you know, the outdoors is my church 1268 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 1: or that's where meet with God. That that can be 1269 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,599 Speaker 1: that can be true. But if this is the only 1270 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,120 Speaker 1: place that that you you meet with God, and for me, 1271 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:20,679 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be enough. Um. But my yeah, just this 1272 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: is this is this is Uh. I'm always looking for 1273 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: ways to connect what I'm doing in life back into UM. Well, no, 1274 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 1: that's the wrong that's the wrong way to say it. 1275 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm scrambling around here, Ben, That's all right, forgive 1276 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,880 Speaker 1: me no free ofness needed. Like I said, these so 1277 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,519 Speaker 1: of these things are just hard to it's hard to articulate. Yeah, 1278 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,639 Speaker 1: but you know, I think it's important for people. It's 1279 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,360 Speaker 1: something that we skip over and on this podcast we 1280 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 1: often try to go dive head first into something that 1281 01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,559 Speaker 1: might be uncomfortable or controversial. I think faith, strangely has 1282 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:07,639 Speaker 1: become one of those topics. Um. I'm nowhere nearest devout 1283 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,880 Speaker 1: as you. My faith is probably different than yours, but 1284 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,080 Speaker 1: I think I appreciate and want to learn about the 1285 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 1: way that you practice and the way that intertwines with 1286 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,240 Speaker 1: the things that we're doing this week, and and um 1287 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,960 Speaker 1: talk about it rather than you know, fight about it 1288 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,400 Speaker 1: or or disagree about it, or project our other checked 1289 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,360 Speaker 1: our own ideologies on each other in terms of like 1290 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,719 Speaker 1: our own faith or the only way we see those things. 1291 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,680 Speaker 1: But but I think, I mean, it's you know, for 1292 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,639 Speaker 1: me when I think about you, and I know that's 1293 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a big part of your you know life. We have 1294 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,000 Speaker 1: known each other for very long, but I know that's 1295 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,559 Speaker 1: a big part of your life. And I very much 1296 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 1: appreciate your perspectives on everything, specifically specifically hunting and what 1297 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: we're doing now. So the crossroads of those two things 1298 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,439 Speaker 1: is I'm sure important has to be. Yeah, well, you know, 1299 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and when we're talking about faith, I mean, I guess 1300 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: it it it We've got to talk about specifically what 1301 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I mean, I would I would say, 1302 01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,840 Speaker 1: we strive to live a biblically based life, you know. 1303 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think the connection to this 1304 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: is that I do believe in a creator. I believe 1305 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 1: God created this place. I believe there's some some some 1306 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: of the modern Christian ideologies of creation and stuff that 1307 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,679 Speaker 1: don't mix with science. I wouldn't like. I think science 1308 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: validates God in so many ways. And that's actually kind 1309 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: of a personal journey that I'm on right now reading 1310 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,480 Speaker 1: about uh, you know, the trying to understand the origins 1311 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,760 Speaker 1: of humanity from science, And I'm amazed then at the 1312 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: at the at the similarities between um, you know, a 1313 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,599 Speaker 1: biblical story of creation and and what we actually find 1314 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 1: in science. There's a lot more that meshes than isn't. Honestly, 1315 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 1: it all depends on who you talk to. But that's 1316 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,599 Speaker 1: a good way to put it. Yeah, but there's there's 1317 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 1: a there's there's a way where I think it all 1318 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,639 Speaker 1: meets together. But uh, now, I live by a value system. 1319 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,479 Speaker 1: I have a value system, and and I want that 1320 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,560 Speaker 1: value system transferred to my kids. Hunting is not my salvation. 1321 01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,360 Speaker 1: It's just a it's just a portion of who I am. 1322 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,479 Speaker 1: I don't draw my identity from my hunting. My my 1323 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,720 Speaker 1: identity as a man comes from you. Just like I 1324 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,280 Speaker 1: was talking about with my son, a lot of his 1325 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 1: identity will come from me validating him, his relationship with 1326 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 1: me and how I build him. If you could distill 1327 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,200 Speaker 1: my faith in my relationship with God down, it would 1328 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:52,800 Speaker 1: be that man we are. We are spiritual beings massively 1329 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,280 Speaker 1: different than animals. I mean, there's a lot, you know, 1330 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,719 Speaker 1: a lot of people. I've heard lots of different things, 1331 01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't think we are different 1332 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,400 Speaker 1: than animals. I do. I think physically we are like animals, 1333 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:08,320 Speaker 1: but we clearly have something that's undeniably different. And I 1334 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: think that thing is Uh. I think that thing is 1335 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,680 Speaker 1: is God inside of us. I think it's God's He 1336 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,240 Speaker 1: can He put a transmitter inside of us that he 1337 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: didn't put inside of other animals, and that means we 1338 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,599 Speaker 1: can connect to God and uh. And so that value 1339 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,559 Speaker 1: system comes from that connection, you know. Um And that's 1340 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,800 Speaker 1: a that's a massive part of my life. And I 1341 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,920 Speaker 1: think where we were talking yesterday about how hunting would 1342 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: maybe fit into that is that I think hunting brings 1343 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:46,599 Speaker 1: us back at some level to original design. Like um 1344 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Man in the beginning was I mean, we were hunter gatherers, 1345 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: were life was pretty simple. It was very hard, but 1346 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: very simple, and Uh. I think a lot of what's 1347 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,519 Speaker 1: happened today is we've moved away from a lot of 1348 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,720 Speaker 1: our original the original design of humanity. And I'm not 1349 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,759 Speaker 1: saying that everybody should be a hunter, because they really shouldn't, 1350 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,759 Speaker 1: but there's certain things in life that draw us back 1351 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,960 Speaker 1: to something that's really primitive and human, and I think 1352 01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: that has value and um, and I'm not saying that 1353 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,320 Speaker 1: that's uh, I'm not trying to over spiritualize that. But 1354 01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,519 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that right now is taking 1355 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,200 Speaker 1: us away from if I could just say it that way, 1356 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,200 Speaker 1: taking us away from original design. And I think a 1357 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,640 Speaker 1: key is is staying staying close to original design, and 1358 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 1: hunting would just be a super tiny part of that. 1359 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,000 Speaker 1: And that original design, to me would would be uh, 1360 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, families and fathers and mothers and and in 1361 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,799 Speaker 1: families that are able to transfer values in the kids 1362 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:59,240 Speaker 1: that aren't so much man Godly there's I'm sorry interrupted, 1363 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,879 Speaker 1: but I was thinking, well, what we were just describing 1364 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,040 Speaker 1: about our families, like how they were rooting for us 1365 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,599 Speaker 1: and they depend on us and we want to bring 1366 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,520 Speaker 1: the meat back and we depend on them to to 1367 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,520 Speaker 1: tell them these stories and bring this to them. That 1368 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,680 Speaker 1: that's not new. That's not new at all. It's been 1369 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 1: going on for as long as we've been bi pedal 1370 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,000 Speaker 1: um and able to and I you know, since we're 1371 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,320 Speaker 1: on the plains of Africa throwing rocks a hyenas and 1372 01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,160 Speaker 1: so you know that plays into what you're talking about. 1373 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,240 Speaker 1: Certainly it certainly do you. Hey, here's a good example, Ben. 1374 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,240 Speaker 1: This might this week. Uh, me and Colby and Bear 1375 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,439 Speaker 1: took an afternoon off from hunting to go zoom into 1376 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,839 Speaker 1: a meeting that our church had that was really important 1377 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,479 Speaker 1: to us. Uh. It was a meeting that was planned 1378 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,400 Speaker 1: at the last minute, and uh we just found out 1379 01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,200 Speaker 1: about it and we were like, dang, we're gonna be in. 1380 01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,799 Speaker 1: We're gonna be in Montana, and um to my wife, 1381 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean I actually thought about not coming. I mean 1382 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,479 Speaker 1: that was in the books, you know, just like, hey, 1383 01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Montane is done, We'll just eat the thousand dollars. This 1384 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: is what we value, you know. I wanted my son 1385 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,200 Speaker 1: to see that that I wasn't gonna shirk. Really what's 1386 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:23,040 Speaker 1: important for, you know, for for something, even though we 1387 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,760 Speaker 1: could rationalize it, Oh, I've got a thousand dollar tag. Oh, 1388 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: we got people planning for us to come. Like really, 1389 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 1: I I was Kobe can tell you we talked about 1390 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:36,400 Speaker 1: not coming and uh and uh but after talking to 1391 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,920 Speaker 1: my wife and and uh, we said, you know what, 1392 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,960 Speaker 1: we can zoom We could zoom in. And so we 1393 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: took the day off. We we went over and uh 1394 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 1: and we participated in in a It was kind of 1395 01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,519 Speaker 1: just a you can meet unique meeting that we had. 1396 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,320 Speaker 1: You know, I won't go into the details of it, 1397 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,360 Speaker 1: but it was really important to us and man that, right, 1398 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,800 Speaker 1: there's the way you transfer a value system to your kid. 1399 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,280 Speaker 1: Show him that, you know, because he sees how passionate 1400 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,000 Speaker 1: I am about hunting. He knows I'll sacrifice just about 1401 01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,520 Speaker 1: anything for hunting. That's not gonna be hard for him. 1402 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,800 Speaker 1: What's gonna be hard for him is to see, Ah, 1403 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,880 Speaker 1: that's where where there is true value that has to 1404 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,320 Speaker 1: be adhered to no matter what, and there's creative ways 1405 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,639 Speaker 1: to do it. And we we participated in the meeting. 1406 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,280 Speaker 1: It was it was cool our faces we were dressed 1407 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,840 Speaker 1: in camo in the truck and our faces were up 1408 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,320 Speaker 1: on the screen at this meeting because everybody else was 1409 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 1: in there in person. But they made you know, they 1410 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Clay and Colby and Bear, they're gonna 1411 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,680 Speaker 1: be zooming for Montana and so there we are, you know, 1412 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: wearing our camo and um, you know, all that I've 1413 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,599 Speaker 1: said probably doesn't make much sense. I hope that makes 1414 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,280 Speaker 1: sense to you. Where there's value, you've got to be 1415 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,920 Speaker 1: able to realize it in in a real functional way. 1416 01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,880 Speaker 1: Livid you know, yeah, yeah, I mean that's ass and 1417 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,400 Speaker 1: fathers and brother you know. I always say that I 1418 01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,120 Speaker 1: have like a lot of things that I have to 1419 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,920 Speaker 1: do be good at and have to balance. And I've 1420 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,960 Speaker 1: learned this from other people. But I want to be 1421 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,280 Speaker 1: a father, husband, friend, you know. I want to you know, 1422 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,080 Speaker 1: be a good good at my job. I want to 1423 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,040 Speaker 1: be a good you know. The pandemic has really taught 1424 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 1: me that being a neighbor is one thing I would 1425 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,400 Speaker 1: add to that being a good neighbor, um, you know. 1426 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,519 Speaker 1: And I think you would add a servant of Christ 1427 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,960 Speaker 1: that probably um you know, and so and I've struggled. 1428 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,639 Speaker 1: We could talk about my faith forever, but I struggled 1429 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,640 Speaker 1: with it in many ways. But you know this is 1430 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. It's just like, how do 1431 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,200 Speaker 1: you when you think about your life and what you 1432 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,559 Speaker 1: really need to be good at UM and you really 1433 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,120 Speaker 1: need to put time and put pressure on yourself to 1434 01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,080 Speaker 1: really value over other things Like I didn't say hunter 1435 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,000 Speaker 1: and those things I just mentioned. You know, I didn't UM, 1436 01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,400 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't UM, and I there may be other 1437 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,400 Speaker 1: times of my life where I might have UM and 1438 01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't if somebody would say to me, like, I'll 1439 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, I would sacrifice being a good father or 1440 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,400 Speaker 1: a good husband to be to kill this out boy, 1441 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: check yourself at the door. That one. That's that's crazy. Um, 1442 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,479 Speaker 1: But I think that's I don't think anybody would say that, right. 1443 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,600 Speaker 1: But you certainly there's certain people that see these obsessions 1444 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,120 Speaker 1: and let let those things push them a little bit 1445 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 1: further from their their priorities. So we've got to have balance. 1446 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's there's balance and everything, and 1447 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,559 Speaker 1: you know there there are if your life is built 1448 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,680 Speaker 1: in a certain way and strong enough, you have a 1449 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,920 Speaker 1: strong enough relationship with your wife, If you have a 1450 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,200 Speaker 1: strong enough relationship with your family, you know you can expend. 1451 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,680 Speaker 1: You know where you can you can go, you can 1452 01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 1: do stuff and it's okay and it doesn't hurt anything 1453 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,479 Speaker 1: and it actually helps things. You know. I think if 1454 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:58,160 Speaker 1: you're if you're doing things right and in finding the 1455 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,799 Speaker 1: architecture for your life. If I could insert that phrase, 1456 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,479 Speaker 1: what's the architecture for your life? Not everybody that I 1457 01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: know has the should go elk hunting for nine days 1458 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,240 Speaker 1: in September. I mean, like there were times in my 1459 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,120 Speaker 1: life when I could not have. But right now that 1460 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,559 Speaker 1: fits inside the architecture I can bring my son. My 1461 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: wife is you know, excited about that. Um, it's it's 1462 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: part of my career. You know. There's just all these things. 1463 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,280 Speaker 1: But a good a good leader of a home has 1464 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,120 Speaker 1: to be able to discern the correct architecture for his 1465 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,080 Speaker 1: family and then and then live with it and go 1466 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,640 Speaker 1: with it, you know. And that architecture is going to 1467 01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,320 Speaker 1: be different at different times when my kids were young, 1468 01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've been able to do this. 1469 01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:46,759 Speaker 1: You know, drive twenty four hours. Um, your situation is different. 1470 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,479 Speaker 1: You're a lot closer to home. You know, you could 1471 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,719 Speaker 1: be home this afternoon if you wanted to. Like, that's 1472 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: the key man balance finding the architecture for your family, 1473 01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,479 Speaker 1: not shirking responsibility where there needs to be responsibility. But 1474 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,800 Speaker 1: you can still come out here and give everything you've 1475 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,360 Speaker 1: got and be an excellent hunter. And I and I love, 1476 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,679 Speaker 1: I love, I love people that have dedicated their lives 1477 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: to a craft and whether and for me, that's hunting. 1478 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,839 Speaker 1: For other people, it's knife making, it's I T stuff, 1479 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:22,839 Speaker 1: it's uh being a veterinarian, you know, whatever, dedicate yourself 1480 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,920 Speaker 1: to it, be an expert at it, and I think 1481 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,080 Speaker 1: that makes us a better human, really do. Like you've 1482 01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,880 Speaker 1: got to be passionate about something. Let me tell you 1483 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,400 Speaker 1: about alcoholing in terms of what you just said. I 1484 01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,600 Speaker 1: find myself because there's a while, like you said, Like 1485 01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,479 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, I had issues with mouth calls. I 1486 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: got a thin palette. It's caused other issues with my 1487 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,479 Speaker 1: sleep and things like that. So I discovered this recently. 1488 01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, I got this thin palette. Mouth calls. Have 1489 01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 1: never quite worked time worked on it. Now that I 1490 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,600 Speaker 1: know that, I knew that I worked on and I 1491 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: got it right, and I figured it out, and and 1492 01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:03,120 Speaker 1: from here I'll go on. But I felt and feel 1493 01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:09,840 Speaker 1: so much better as a man, as as a functional human, 1494 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: as a man, having started to learn something and feel 1495 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,640 Speaker 1: competent as something I previously had hoped to acquire as 1496 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: part of my skill set. I feel more confident. Ah, 1497 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,479 Speaker 1: I'm better served to to tackle problems in my daily 1498 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,639 Speaker 1: life as simple as learning to alcohol and hearing today 1499 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,040 Speaker 1: and all the other days I've hunted this year, Elk 1500 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,080 Speaker 1: correspond to my alcohol. Elk come running into me. Um, 1501 01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,439 Speaker 1: I set my mind to something I wanted to do. 1502 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 1: I decided that that this was going to be something 1503 01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,439 Speaker 1: a craft that I wanted to over the long haul 1504 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,560 Speaker 1: really get good at. Um. And to see that realized 1505 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,200 Speaker 1: in terms of like the start of the journey has 1506 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,800 Speaker 1: been huge for me, and like how good I feel 1507 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,960 Speaker 1: it's when I wake up in the morning. Um. And 1508 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,519 Speaker 1: so that's what hunting add that's this is just one 1509 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 1: little part, you know. Now, you know when I go 1510 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,000 Speaker 1: outside and shoot three good airs every night, I feel 1511 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,960 Speaker 1: good about that too. Um. I'm a little further down 1512 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,800 Speaker 1: that journey than I am without calling. But nonetheless, how 1513 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,840 Speaker 1: many different levels are there. I recently took up like, 1514 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn everything there is about knife sharpening. You know, 1515 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn. I've got my work sharp I'm gonna 1516 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,680 Speaker 1: learn every single thing there is to know about sharpening everything, Um, 1517 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,880 Speaker 1: understanding the blades, the material, the edgy, all of it, 1518 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,240 Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's what you're talking about. 1519 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Hunting is full of crafts. It's full of acquired skills, um. 1520 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,600 Speaker 1: And the application of those skills is one of the 1521 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,720 Speaker 1: things that brings a reward back to you and then 1522 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,760 Speaker 1: wraps around all the things we already talked about. So 1523 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: I'm with you man, I I I could couldn't replace that. 1524 01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,880 Speaker 1: I don't think only because it's a three dimensional This 1525 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,400 Speaker 1: is a three dimensional skill craft. Not only if I learn, 1526 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think I've I learned I guess, I 1527 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 1: guess you learned woodworking and you build a table and 1528 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,280 Speaker 1: then you're eating with your family on that table, you've 1529 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,479 Speaker 1: kind of realized the entire experience. Same thing here. If 1530 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,160 Speaker 1: you learn how to sharpen a knife really well, and 1531 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,960 Speaker 1: you learn how to call and you're how to shoot 1532 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,519 Speaker 1: your bow, and that all comes together and then you 1533 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,920 Speaker 1: get to experience that with your family, that's I think 1534 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,240 Speaker 1: that's probably the definition of that craft. And you know, 1535 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:31,000 Speaker 1: dedication to craft any if you were to dissect you know, 1536 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,560 Speaker 1: like a great knife maker or a great musician, or 1537 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,120 Speaker 1: a great elk hunter or a great woodworker, they you 1538 01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,840 Speaker 1: would you would be able to fundamentally get down to 1539 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,920 Speaker 1: the same essential qualities of people that had persistence, they 1540 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,920 Speaker 1: had curiosity, they had they had to gain knowledge, they 1541 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,200 Speaker 1: had to practically apply that knowledge because there's all these 1542 01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,599 Speaker 1: different steps that people don't follow the way through. Like 1543 01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,880 Speaker 1: maybe you have the knowledge, but you never sharpen your knife, 1544 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,000 Speaker 1: you never dedicate the time to actually scratching on it, 1545 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,800 Speaker 1: or maybe you scratch on a stone all the time 1546 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,880 Speaker 1: like I did when I was in college for six 1547 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,160 Speaker 1: months and never could stink and get the knife sharp. 1548 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,559 Speaker 1: And then you realize, ah, there's a knowledge base and 1549 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:21,639 Speaker 1: you you know, you learn actually the technology of an 1550 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 1: edge and like. But all these like whatever it is, 1551 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 1: all these things funnel down to a character inside of 1552 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,479 Speaker 1: a person. I feel like, and um, and that's what 1553 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,439 Speaker 1: ultimately has value because that character then can flow into 1554 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,640 Speaker 1: other parts of your life. And that's true, man, it 1555 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,519 Speaker 1: really does, it can and uh um, so yeah, and 1556 01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,040 Speaker 1: it's never and you never. Look. I'm thirty four, you know, 1557 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,719 Speaker 1: and I've been in the hunting industry for eleven eleven years, 1558 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,120 Speaker 1: twelve year, I don't know how long it's been. It's 1559 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,800 Speaker 1: been a while, it'spen over a decade, um. And I 1560 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,400 Speaker 1: don't I'm not like, I don't have any ego. I'm 1561 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,760 Speaker 1: not a finished product. I don't think I'm better at 1562 01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,880 Speaker 1: this than anyone. And I hope I never will, even 1563 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,120 Speaker 1: if I actually am, even if the time comes. With 1564 01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,760 Speaker 1: those elk heads in my house came from you know, 1565 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:17,120 Speaker 1: a foundational learning experience and craftsmanship woodsmanship instead of money 1566 01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,240 Speaker 1: and a guide, you know, and so you know, even 1567 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,320 Speaker 1: when that happens, I hope to still you know, eliminate 1568 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,840 Speaker 1: these parts of like, well I'm good at this now, um, 1569 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,400 Speaker 1: and continue to just find other things to improve upon. 1570 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: About a month ago, we we interviewed a guy and 1571 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that we're gonna get to air the 1572 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:42,160 Speaker 1: interview because he was I'm not going to tell the state, 1573 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,200 Speaker 1: but he was. He was a government lion hunter and 1574 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,320 Speaker 1: uh and honestly, he's probably one of the best lion 1575 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:54,599 Speaker 1: hunters on the continent right now. And he told me, well, 1576 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,120 Speaker 1: what's interesting being about him was because he's a government 1577 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,479 Speaker 1: lion hunter. He didn't have an Instagram pay age, he 1578 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,320 Speaker 1: didn't have a website, he's not trying to sell hunts. 1579 01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: He it was like the distillation of this man. He 1580 01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: there was no ego. He was his job was to 1581 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,599 Speaker 1: catch lines with hounds and he used mules and uh 1582 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,559 Speaker 1: and he hunts, I mean three hundred days a year 1583 01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:24,639 Speaker 1: catching lions and uh. And he told me he talked 1584 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,240 Speaker 1: about another man in another state that he said was 1585 01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: the best dry ground lion hunter that ever drew a 1586 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,000 Speaker 1: breath of air on the earth and that man was 1587 01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,400 Speaker 1: this man's mentor. I wish I could say all their names. 1588 01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:43,680 Speaker 1: And he said, what makes that man so great was 1589 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he never knew how good he was, 1590 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,400 Speaker 1: and he still doesn't. His humility led him through life 1591 01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,639 Speaker 1: and led him on a search for knowledge that he's 1592 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 1: still on even though right now he's probably the best. 1593 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, the mentor other guy that I hadn't met yet. 1594 01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 1: And I said, wait a minute, you're telling me. I 1595 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,520 Speaker 1: stopped him and I said, you're telling me that humility 1596 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,760 Speaker 1: is what makes that guy great. And he said absolutely. 1597 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,240 Speaker 1: He said, when you think you know what, you stop learning. 1598 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,240 Speaker 1: When you know that you don't know, you keep learning. 1599 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,360 Speaker 1: And there's no cap to that never ends. And it 1600 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,760 Speaker 1: was so simple. But you take that into any part 1601 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,000 Speaker 1: of your life. You know, we feel you know. And 1602 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:34,479 Speaker 1: this even goes back to you know, Biblical value system. 1603 01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, humility is a key definer of should be 1604 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:39,920 Speaker 1: of all of our lives, is that we know that 1605 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,720 Speaker 1: we don't know, but we're in a search to know. 1606 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Not a false humility that's just like oh what was me? 1607 01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,880 Speaker 1: But just a humility brings realism, humility brings yeah, I know, 1608 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a good elk hunter. Um, I'm trying to 1609 01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,839 Speaker 1: be in a good elk hunter. I'm gonna learn um. Anyway, 1610 01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:01,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was powerful if we just turn inward 1611 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,479 Speaker 1: for a minute, you think about like the hunting world 1612 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,360 Speaker 1: and what the hunting world both of you, both of 1613 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,120 Speaker 1: you and I are both in hunting media. We both 1614 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,160 Speaker 1: have been so for a while. We both do it 1615 01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:15,040 Speaker 1: for a living. And kind of the things that the 1616 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:20,439 Speaker 1: hunting industry itself searches for this expertise, the representation of product, 1617 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, the the authenticity. All of those things I 1618 01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,880 Speaker 1: think are important, But I think we grasp for them 1619 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,720 Speaker 1: too hard. I think we we pursue them with too 1620 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,680 Speaker 1: much fervor. We don't sit back and say, you know, 1621 01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,040 Speaker 1: how can we represent what we're talking about to the 1622 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,120 Speaker 1: people that want to get into hunting? Understand it's going 1623 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,880 Speaker 1: to be hard. There are certain people that have ways 1624 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 1: of doing things that they've they've crafted over years and 1625 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,880 Speaker 1: years and years of experience and conditioning. They they are 1626 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,720 Speaker 1: sharpening themselves and they can help you get going. You know, 1627 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,760 Speaker 1: are they experts? Yes? Um? Is there ultimate expert in 1628 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,760 Speaker 1: any one of these pursuits? Absolutely not, UM, And I 1629 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,680 Speaker 1: wish I kind of wish someone would have told me 1630 01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 1: way earlier, and maybe I just had to get to 1631 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,160 Speaker 1: this place. But like, don't microwave it. Don't microwave it, 1632 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,160 Speaker 1: because if you if you think that, you can skip 1633 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,719 Speaker 1: ten steps and all of a sudden start killing big stuff. 1634 01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,479 Speaker 1: And that's the purpose. Hopefully what I've said here today. 1635 01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I've talked about this on the show 1636 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,120 Speaker 1: very much at all, but hopefully that story that I've 1637 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,759 Speaker 1: told about kind of my own journey could teach anyone 1638 01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,920 Speaker 1: out there that. And even this hunt, we you came 1639 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,920 Speaker 1: all the way up here from Arkansas, spent all this 1640 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,320 Speaker 1: time and probably aren't going to go home with an 1641 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,200 Speaker 1: elk unless we get a Hail Mary at the last 1642 01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:47,080 Speaker 1: moment here. Um. Yet that's a part of a larger journey, 1643 01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,400 Speaker 1: and that's an important part of that journey. And so 1644 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, don't microwave it. If you're out there and 1645 01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:54,760 Speaker 1: you've got an Instagram page and you want to get 1646 01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,639 Speaker 1: don't cheat the process. Yeah yeah, I mean, because even 1647 01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,559 Speaker 1: if you go on you can fake yourself, you can 1648 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,120 Speaker 1: go you can kill you can kill three giant elk 1649 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:12,600 Speaker 1: this year, um and and put those out and and 1650 01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:18,720 Speaker 1: and start to gain notoriety for that or whatever. But 1651 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,360 Speaker 1: but as you said, the process is always going to 1652 01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,200 Speaker 1: be there, and it always requires one thing of you, 1653 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,720 Speaker 1: which is dedication and humility. And so that's where the 1654 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,000 Speaker 1: real value of everything that we do in our life 1655 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,759 Speaker 1: has to be about the process. Like I'll go home 1656 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,400 Speaker 1: from this hunt and and if I if I go 1657 01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,360 Speaker 1: home without an Elk, I will have valued the process. 1658 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,559 Speaker 1: I really will. I mean, there's just no way to 1659 01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,599 Speaker 1: get there. Like if the end goal was Elk horns, 1660 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,200 Speaker 1: it would have been better off for me to stay 1661 01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,960 Speaker 1: in Arkansas and save up fifteen thousand dollars, which I'm 1662 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,120 Speaker 1: just not gonna do and you know, buy some hunt somewhere. 1663 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that. I wanted to do 1664 01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:00,599 Speaker 1: it this way, and um yeah that so there, there's 1665 01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,519 Speaker 1: there's got to be value, you know, honor inside of 1666 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,639 Speaker 1: that and and personally, and I'm not looking for that. 1667 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,200 Speaker 1: There's gonna be no honor on Instagram for the sunset 1668 01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,160 Speaker 1: pictures I post. Well that's what I was gonna say. 1669 01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,080 Speaker 1: I still, I still don't mistake me for saying that 1670 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I didn't come here to kill an Elk and that 1671 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,800 Speaker 1: I failed. I don't mistake that for for me, you know, 1672 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,120 Speaker 1: fluffing this up and and saying, hey, guys, I'm the 1673 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,920 Speaker 1: same man. I came here to killing el I came 1674 01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,840 Speaker 1: here to kill an elk, and I didn't. So I'm 1675 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,920 Speaker 1: not saying that I came like that. I'm accepting the 1676 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,240 Speaker 1: failure as some sort of consolation prize. I'm not pisses 1677 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,519 Speaker 1: me off extremely. I'll be thinking about it every night 1678 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,679 Speaker 1: until I actually get one of these things on the ground. 1679 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,080 Speaker 1: But there are there is a parallel to that that 1680 01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,960 Speaker 1: I also have to take parts of this failure and 1681 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,840 Speaker 1: apply to the craft I'm trying to learn, you know, 1682 01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,640 Speaker 1: and that both those things could be true at the 1683 01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,559 Speaker 1: same time. This is this is just one one hunt 1684 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,280 Speaker 1: in the bigger, bigger puzzle, and that puzzle will come 1685 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,800 Speaker 1: to completion at some point. For sure. I know it 1686 01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,120 Speaker 1: is for me, I mean, and and I'm still trying 1687 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,720 Speaker 1: to figure out how big that puzzle is. You know. 1688 01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:16,200 Speaker 1: I thought, Colorado, Yeah, Colorado over the counter last year 1689 01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,280 Speaker 1: we almost killed an elk, actually could have been passed it. 1690 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,639 Speaker 1: Didn't know it was legal, maybe already told that story. 1691 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,200 Speaker 1: And then I thought, well, okay, well, then here's this piece. 1692 01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,320 Speaker 1: We'll go to Montana, and I really thought we'd we'd 1693 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,639 Speaker 1: kill now and AND's not over. You're right, we still 1694 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,040 Speaker 1: we still got we still got some time. But it's 1695 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,519 Speaker 1: just part of the part of the puzzle. And you've 1696 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,080 Speaker 1: got to you've gotta value that journey. Yeah, And so 1697 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:41,960 Speaker 1: the the end of our journey is probably would be 1698 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,360 Speaker 1: we should probably sit here. We're sitting by a creek. 1699 01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,120 Speaker 1: There's water. We know there's an elk probably six yards 1700 01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:52,880 Speaker 1: up in this timber bedded was his cows. And I 1701 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,880 Speaker 1: really hope he gets thirsty soon. I really hope he's 1702 01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,400 Speaker 1: sitting up there across that creek that we can't what's 1703 01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,840 Speaker 1: she's up there going? God, I feel parched. I can 1704 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,639 Speaker 1: really use a beverage. Maybe I'll just jump down over 1705 01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 1: the hill track a bottle open. I just jumped down 1706 01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,760 Speaker 1: over the hill and take a little sippy sip and 1707 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,160 Speaker 1: then next thing you know, Clay Nico sneaks up and 1708 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,120 Speaker 1: gives him one. Anyhow, well, man, it's been fun. It's 1709 01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,559 Speaker 1: been a fun week. Um. I think hunting with you 1710 01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,160 Speaker 1: is is we can have these conversations. We can you know, 1711 01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,880 Speaker 1: we can really learn some things from each other and 1712 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,240 Speaker 1: and are willing to kind of go deep on some 1713 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,639 Speaker 1: of these subjects that otherwise probably wouldn't. But laughing hiking 1714 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,439 Speaker 1: around hard country. Um, as I said before, there's no 1715 01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:48,200 Speaker 1: place I'd rather be in September. Yeah, yeah, I've had 1716 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,400 Speaker 1: a great time. It's been fun hunting withy band. Well, um, 1717 01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,720 Speaker 1: we got no fill today. Phil is on my weight. 1718 01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh never mind. I thought I was looked at my bow. 1719 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,920 Speaker 1: I thought I lost my state blizer. But I see 1720 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at the wrong thing. Uh, it's been 1721 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,960 Speaker 1: a long week, trust me. Anyheah, we have no fill today. Uh. 1722 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,840 Speaker 1: He's back in Bozeman, probably comfortable. He's probably playing video 1723 01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,760 Speaker 1: games or something. Um So, hi Phil, you'll have to 1724 01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,360 Speaker 1: listen to this to edit it. But hi Phil. And 1725 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 1: in terms of what we got coming up and what 1726 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:23,120 Speaker 1: we hope to achieve on the show, here we have 1727 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,920 Speaker 1: we we will play you the Paul Bashir interview that 1728 01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,439 Speaker 1: I can promise you. We talked about that last week. 1729 01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,559 Speaker 1: In the prior week, we did interview PAULA Scher, one 1730 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,760 Speaker 1: of the co founders of a prominent animal rights group 1731 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,600 Speaker 1: called Anonymous for the Voiceless. It was a very interesting, compelling, 1732 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,280 Speaker 1: maybe mad thing, maybe inspiring who knows to be up 1733 01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,960 Speaker 1: to you for that. Um. I had hoped to get 1734 01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,680 Speaker 1: Clay's reaction to that in a podcast as well, but 1735 01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,320 Speaker 1: we just don't have the audio right and we're waiting 1736 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:56,240 Speaker 1: on a password to get the audio from Zoom, our 1737 01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,360 Speaker 1: friends at Zoom. So if anybody listens to us who 1738 01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,200 Speaker 1: works at zoom, hit me up. We need your help. 1739 01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,599 Speaker 1: So we will uh exume that audio and we will 1740 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,800 Speaker 1: get that to you at some point as soon as 1741 01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:10,400 Speaker 1: we are confident that that audio is going to be 1742 01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,280 Speaker 1: good enough for you to enjoy that interview. But next 1743 01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:20,360 Speaker 1: week the return of Ask the Eagle. Clay asked the 1744 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,280 Speaker 1: Eagle with the great and powerful Yanni patel Us, who 1745 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,559 Speaker 1: actually did kill an elk his first elk? This makes 1746 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,280 Speaker 1: you might make you feel better. I guess who just 1747 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,760 Speaker 1: killed their first elk with archery tackle? Oh? Was that 1748 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,639 Speaker 1: his first archery elk? Yeah, I'll be honest, but tell 1749 01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,280 Speaker 1: us so if it makes you feel it probably makes 1750 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,840 Speaker 1: you feel a little bit better that you know that 1751 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,439 Speaker 1: guy's he's a crack elk caller. He's he was a 1752 01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:45,200 Speaker 1: guide and the just kill his first elk with archery 1753 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,200 Speaker 1: tackle in Colorado. So we'll talk to him about that. 1754 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,040 Speaker 1: We'll take your questions and asked the eagle. Has has 1755 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,800 Speaker 1: that been going on for a few weeks? Man? That 1756 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,200 Speaker 1: asked the eagle, Yeah, the second the eagle. We've adopted 1757 01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:01,240 Speaker 1: Yanny over here at THHC, and we're gonna keep having 1758 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,639 Speaker 1: him answer your questions live on the air from the studio. 1759 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,600 Speaker 1: I hopefully i'll get a shower before he's locked in 1760 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,360 Speaker 1: there with me. But we'll also have the great and 1761 01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,760 Speaker 1: powerful Fred Eichler coming up. Talk, guiding Talk, Hell, hunting Talk, 1762 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,800 Speaker 1: antelope talk, Meal, dear talk, everything Eichler, And we'll keep 1763 01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:20,720 Speaker 1: on keeping on and the hunting collected. So we'll see 1764 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,439 Speaker 1: you next week. Say bikelay, take care of guys. See yup, 1765 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, because I can't go a week without doing 1766 01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:40,519 Speaker 1: run oh without drinking