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Speaker 1: Come morning, everyone, and welcome to Between the Horns, presented

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Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyo, the Dealer's crowd partner of

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Speaker 1: the La Rams on JP Lolong. Let's say good morning

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Speaker 1: as well to my broadcast partner De Marco far De

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Speaker 1: far What you're working on at the tail end of

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Speaker 1: this week New York Giants stuff? Man, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: past Seattle, um, still looking at Arizona and crying, but

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Speaker 1: you know, looking towards the Giants and taking a six

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Speaker 1: year old to school every day. That's fun. A lot

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Speaker 1: of parents, a lot of kids to be back in

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Speaker 1: person thriving. I hope, Yes, everybody's good. We're happy, We're happy,

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Speaker 1: we're healthy, we're good, we're eating all right. Well, I

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Speaker 1: got my two year old home with me, so stand

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Speaker 1: I hope we're good. To welcome NFL Network reporters Steve Wise.

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Speaker 1: She's at WISH eighty nine on Twitter, joining us from

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Speaker 1: those sparkly new studios in Inglewood. It looks like I

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Speaker 1: am here great new studios. I mean, look, the things

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Speaker 1: are actually majestic, and you know we're about forty yards

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Speaker 1: So it's just great, you know, to be part of

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Speaker 1: this whole new environment. It makes you feel super legitimate

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Speaker 1: being in a building like this. And I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be on you guys because you know, you guys are

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Speaker 1: always great, super nice guys, super knowledgeable guys. And I'm

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Speaker 1: all about edgykating matches and you guys do that so well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, DeMarco just talking about how there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of parents taking his kids into elementary school.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who would have thought about it? Who would

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Speaker 1: have known? See? Wait, where are you? Where's the stadium

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Speaker 1: in relation to you? Right now? Behind you, to the side,

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Speaker 1: where are you? It is? Okay, so I'm holding up

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Speaker 1: my right hand right even it may look like the left,

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Speaker 1: it is honestly about forty yards dew east of me.

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Speaker 1: I mean I could, I could well, I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this. Fifteen years ago, I could have taken a

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Speaker 1: football on Landed one. It's about section you know too,

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Speaker 1: forty two. Now let's go organ right now, that's about

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Speaker 1: thirty five yards short than four yards. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's that close. It is literally across across

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Speaker 1: a very narrow street. That's awesome. You've got monitors everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Over your shoulder. DeMarco has site words when he air balloons. Steve,

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Speaker 1: let me let me start with your perspective on there.

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Speaker 1: There they are there, they are reading teacher that he is.

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Speaker 1: The Rams, I think came out of a challenging and

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Speaker 1: emotional first five games at four and one. In that stretch,

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Speaker 1: they opened their new stadium in front of fans, They

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Speaker 1: played a couple of undefeated teams, they got into their

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Speaker 1: division rivalries. Now they've got five more before they're real

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Speaker 1: bye week. I wonder do you view this as a

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Speaker 1: chance to stack some wins as they go into a

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Speaker 1: three game stretch against teams with losing records, or is

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Speaker 1: that a treacherous mindset for fans to look at the

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Speaker 1: rest of October? I mean, the treacher's minds you. But

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Speaker 1: it's the expectation of the team. I mean, as much

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Speaker 1: as they say they go game by game, they're looking

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Speaker 1: come out of this seven and one or six and two,

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Speaker 1: we're a really good position. You got a couple more games,

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Speaker 1: you know, before that late season. By by the way

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Speaker 1: in DeMarco, I'm sure you can talk about this player's

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Speaker 1: love the later by as opposed to an earlier buy.

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Speaker 1: Because to have to go out like some teams have

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Speaker 1: to do and play twelve straight games after their week

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Speaker 1: their week five by, that's a rough stretch trying to

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Speaker 1: get through all that. So this is a great opportunity

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Speaker 1: to stack wins, but also to continue to evolve at

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. We're starting to see the run game

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Speaker 1: pass game, which we've seen and kind of fits and starts.

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Speaker 1: It didn't hit so much, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to continue to build on

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Speaker 1: that running game is hugely important as they go down

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Speaker 1: He's fast, he's quick, he's coming off a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an ankle. But they've got some pieces to really

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Speaker 1: approach with Garrett, you know what it's gonna be. He's

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Speaker 1: So you know what you have to do pregame. Now

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Speaker 1: you just you have to go into New York and execute.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to be the starter. I will

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Speaker 1: get into a key defensive injury for the Rams and

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Speaker 1: what that means for the rest of the month ahead

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Speaker 1: pick up on a thread that you kind of started

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Speaker 1: with respect to the Rams running game and just how

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Speaker 1: efficient they've been offensively, depending on what metric you want

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Speaker 1: that's really worked here for this offense. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: think they're finding their identity because look, for a couple

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Speaker 1: of years, this has not been a big play football team.

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Speaker 1: This has been a ten eleven, you know, drive team

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Speaker 1: Now to Robert Woods, He's finally look like he's been

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Speaker 1: So you know, some of the big difference that we're

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Speaker 1: probably not getting the takeaways that they want, but the

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Speaker 1: to help this offense. Yeah. I mean their shortest offensive

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Speaker 1: they'd get to score on defense, really capitalize on a

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Speaker 1: bet yeah. If Jones can't go, Glennon just threw a

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Speaker 1: fact that Steve just mentioned it, but put it into

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Speaker 1: last week. So it's out there. I think New York

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Speaker 1: right on defense, no doubt. Yeah, finishing drives always a

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Speaker 1: point of emphasis. The RAM so one of the NFL

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Speaker 1: replace a secondary injury going to New York. I like

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Speaker 1: the star position. I like Jalen Ramsey moving all over

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Speaker 1: of a cornerback. But this week he look, Darius Tony

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Speaker 1: is your best weapon. They remind me of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: But I was impressed with Robert Rochelle. Sure, DK Metcalf

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Speaker 1: I wish Darius Williams was healthy and active, but he's not.

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Speaker 1: It's the makeup. Steve didn't get me work from home

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