1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump has signed an executive 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: order to dismantle Voice of America. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: the handling of the cr and democratic leadership strategies. Then 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk to comedian Trey Crowder about his new comedy special, 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Trash Daddy. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: But first the news. 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: So, Molly, the Trump deportations are starting to not seem 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: like it's the rapists and criminals he promised, and some 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: people we really need in this country. And this is 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: getting confusing for some of those MAGA people who are 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: willing to admit that Trump can have faults at times. 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that Trump is actually just deporting 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: people who have last names. So here's a doctor studying 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: at Brown. You may know Brown as the Ivy League 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: institution in Rhode Island. She was deported out of the 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: country for reasons still unclear to her family, her lawyer, 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: and her Brown Medicine colleagues. They did not do anything 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: to stop the plane who was learning details of the 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: event through information relaid by her family members, So clearly 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: they wanted to deport her, regardless of if the judge 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: said orders are not worth seeing this everywhere Trump world 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: getting court orders telling them not to deport people, and 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: them just deporting people. Why because they don't follow the law. 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: Why don't they follow the law because they're criminals. 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: And we're seeing this more and more. 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: She was a doctor in Rhode Island evaluating potential transplant 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: recipients and following the progress of those patients after their procedures. Oh, 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: a transplant doctor. That is not who we should be 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: deporting team. 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and people don't realize transplant doctors are really hard 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: to come by. 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Well, and also the whole idea here is I mean, 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: this is just so fucked up, and you'll be shocked 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: to know that she is not the only one. 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: No, I've read another story that just seemed dumbfounding why 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: they would deport this person. They had a light marijuana 42 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: possession charge that was then forgiven and they deported him. 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: So Molly Trump is celebrating after killing an anti money 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: laundering law. 46 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 4: Does that sound like training the swamp to you. 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: Trump celebrates after killing anti money laundering law. Look, this 48 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: is the whole thing, right. They're ending the Consumer Protection Bureau, 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: They're ending all these laws, these anti corruption laws. They're 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: just firing inspectors general. These are not things that you 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: do when you want to end corruption. These are not 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: moves for transparency. These are things you do when you 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: want to increase corruption. Firing the people people who root 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: out corruption means that they are planning on doing corruption 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: in In fact, the government will no longer require shell 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: companies to disclose their owners and beneficiaries, allowing wealthy corporations 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: and individuals to hide the profits from the public. Some 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: businesses to report information on people who control or own 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: a company indirectly. 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: Quickly, Trump went. 61 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: To Truse Social after the Treasury announcement, posting exciting news. 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: The Biden rule has been an absolute disaster for small businesses. 63 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: It has been an absolute disaster for people who want 64 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: to do crimes. 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: And hide them. 66 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: And now it is gone coincidence. 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: I think not no, And I think the Lever did 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: that great documentary, The Master Plaod that really laid out 69 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: how much of this has been a long played The 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: Republican Party to do these type of things, and that 71 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: people that we thought were saying, like John Roberts, the 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: Supreme Court justice, is all part of this and totally 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: in on it. Yeah, but Molly, this must just be 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: our Trump arrangement syndrome talking and sadly, in Minnesota. 75 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Our mental illness. 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Republicans are pushing to get that classified as a 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: mental illness in Minnesota. 78 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Yes, mental illness, all right, whatever, I mean, this is 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: so dumb. This is like welcome to peak dumb Trump troll. 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: We're not mentally ill. We just want him to stop 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: breaking the law. 82 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the more craven reads of this are that 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: you know this is going to be for in prison. 84 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: I don't think this is that. 85 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: This is just that everything in the Republican everything, the 86 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: Republican Party is trying to own the Libs s right now. 87 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: Okay, So Chris Murphy says, Americans want Democrats to take 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: risks right now to save our democracy. Direct Chris Murphy, 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: that is correct. Nobody wants Democrats to just roll over 90 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: and watch Republicans and American democracy. We want to see 91 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: Democrats fight like Republicans. We want to see them protect 92 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: norms and institutions. 93 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: We want to see them. 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Protect us, protect their voters. I mean they're already deporting people. 95 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: Where does this end? And I think Chris Murphy is 96 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: completely right. I think the whole idea that I feel 97 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: like our elected leaders are just not meeting the moment 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: at all. 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: And I'm not the only one, by the way. 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: The polling, I mean, like the polling shows that Democrats 101 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: are like the least popular they've ever been, twenty seven percent. 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the voters are not happy. 103 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people are mistaking that. 104 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: For the voters just hate the Democratic brand right now, 105 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem to be that it's that it's 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: like embarrassing because they don't represent what we want. 107 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think like people are taking real risks. 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: They're out there protesting in a very crazy moment in 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: American life, and your constituent should not be taking. 110 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: More risks than you will. 111 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and 112 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: the host of the Enemy's List Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics. 113 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: Rick Wilson, Mollie junk Fast. Thanks, going great, going great. 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: It's going great. Everything is awesome. 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: So basically every what I love about European newspapers. Is 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: they're all like you guys are on the knife edge 117 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: of fascism. 118 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: FYI, I will say this, I'm not even sure we're 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: on the knife's edge anymore. I feel like the diving 120 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: board is like going, and we're headed towards it at 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 4: a very fast pace after having decided to dive right 122 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: into the delicious warm waters of oppression. 123 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: So here's a question for you. 124 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: I vacinate between being very worried m thinking oh, these 125 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: guys are pretty incompetent and it'll be okay. 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: I embrace their incompetence. 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: If we survive, it will be because of that. 128 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I embrace their incompetence. But I mean I 129 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: can't count on. 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: It, right, right, That's I think that's a move. 131 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: I can't like wake up in the marine and go, well, 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: thank god, they'll all fuck up because they're such idiots. 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: I mean, they may well fuck up, but there is 134 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: a certain degree of momentum right now on things where 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: they're not fucking up. And I'll give you the perfect example. 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: And not a lot of people have like fully locked 137 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: onto this yet. But today, in absolute defiance of a 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: federal court order, Trump continued to deport el Salvadorians out 139 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: of the country. There's an absolute court order that says 140 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: thou shalt not until we have a hearing, and they said, 141 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: fuck you, and they're doing it. 142 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: But hot take, they're not deporting them to al Salvador, right. 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: No, of course not. Who the fuck knows where they're 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: going to deport him. But this idea though, that these 145 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: guys have have just decided to ignore the very clear 146 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: stipulations of a court order. That is a post small 147 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: d democratic country unless you have a rule of law 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: that everybody plays by, and these guys do not. Right now, 149 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: I think we're in some terrible kind of position. 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: So let's not get fatalistic, let's get happy and I'm 151 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: just kidding. No, let's just sort of talk to where 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: we are right now. There was a CR. It was 153 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: in the House. I want to talk this through because 154 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: they had to pass the CR to stop a shutdown. 155 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: The Democrats didn't have to, but there was a moment 156 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: right a cliff and Republicans probably would have written Republicans 157 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: were supposedly from what I understand from what I heard 158 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: from the office one of the leadership offices. I'm not 159 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: going to say which one. They were told that OMB 160 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: was delighted with a shutdown and that ross Volt was 161 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: planning on designating HR as essential. 162 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: Workers a central personnel. 163 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah right, so they were going to put HR as 164 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: a center to workers and just keep firing the federal 165 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: government during the shutdown. And this thread got the leadership 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: world scared enough to just keep going and just give 167 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: them the R. But here's my hot ist taken. I 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: want you to talk to us about this again. You know, 169 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: what people say and what really happened are two different things. Maybe, 170 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: but I wonder if you could talk through why once 171 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: the CR got out of the House, Democrats were actually cooked. 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 4: I still believe that Schumer had more leverage than he 173 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: either understood or cared to exercise. I found the whole 174 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: thing still deeply inexplicable. 175 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: But if we could go back to the original sin 176 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: here the CR in the House. 177 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Look, my view on everything with the Democrats 178 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: right now is they've got to form a shield wall 179 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: of absolute no on this bullshit. They've got to stop 180 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 4: this idea that they're going to My honorable colleague across 181 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: the aisle is a good faith interlocktor. They're not. They've 182 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 4: yet to understand you have to stop them over and 183 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: over again. You don't just get to stop them one time. 184 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: You have to stop them every time. 185 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: So when we talk about this CR in the House, 186 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: it was voted, there was one Democrat who voted for it, 187 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Jared Golden, main. 188 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: Beloved of no labels. Jared Golden. 189 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Well, I have met him before, and he's a in 190 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: an R plus twenty seven district. 191 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: Right, he's like the last rural Democrat. Now pause for 192 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: a minute. 193 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I still think that had Jeffries been more with it, 194 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: he could have told Golden not to vote for it 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have passed. 196 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, he could have said to Golden, I'm counting this vote. 197 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: I'm whipping this vote. You don't get a pass on 198 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: this one, but you do get ten million dollars if 199 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: you need it. None of this is to my mind 200 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 4: forgivable for any of them. They all have to take 201 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: some responsibility here. But I think Schumer precapitulated in this thing, 202 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: which really I found unbelievable that he showed his cards 203 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: before even bothering to find out what he could get. Yeah, 204 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: and he should have asked for something. He should have 205 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: gone for something. 206 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: Right, This is something I'd love to talk to you. 207 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: For one we're talking about, which is when you have 208 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: a cr like this and you have a House that's 209 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: so tight and a Senate where you know you need 210 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: four votes, right, I wonder if you could play out 211 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: to me what you think this would have looked like 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: with a Harry Reed, Nancy Pelosi one two. 213 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: Or if it was Mitch McConnell on the other side. 214 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: They would have leaned in on everybody. They would have 215 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: leaned in on those House members that like Golden they 216 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 4: got flaky and shaky. They would have told their own members, 217 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: you are voting for this bill at your mortal fucking peril. 218 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 4: Do not believe for a moment I'm not keeping track 219 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: of every one of you. This is not acceptable. If 220 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,359 Speaker 4: you don't show a weak spot, it can't be exploited. 221 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 4: And they showed very simply that Chuck Schumer was afraid 222 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: more of the blow back than of the game. I 223 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: don't accept a world where I know for a fact 224 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell would have absolutely run John Thune's bell if 225 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: he was on the other side of this equation. 226 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: Right, No, No, absolutely, one hundred percent. 227 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 4: I just think it's unforgivable, and. 228 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: It seems like my man is not getting forgiven. So 229 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about sort of where we are as a 230 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: party right now. So Democrats are everyone I know, Maybe 231 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: not everyone I know, but a lot of people I 232 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: know are protesting all the time. Right, You cannot walk 233 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: down the street without whacking into a protest. Right, They're 234 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: everywhere there on the west side, they're on the east side, 235 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: then they're uptown, theyir midtown. Columbia University grad student still 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: in a Louisiana detention center. He is got a green card, 237 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: married to a pregnant citizen. 238 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: Pregnant American citizen. 239 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, his crime was being the negotiator, right, and yeah. 240 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we are seeing a preview. They're finding a person 241 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 4: who is an affiliate, if you want to say it 242 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 4: that way in the most exaggerated case, but a loud 243 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 4: mouth in the actual case. If you believe that you 244 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: can redefine everything as terrorism, then nothing is terrorism. If 245 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: you're gonna if you're gonna find a college protester who's 246 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: started to build a you know what, it was illegal, Okay, 247 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: he violated the law. There are plenty of ways and 248 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: plenty of things on the scale where violating the law 249 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: is horrible but is punishable, And this is one of 250 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: their things where they want they're trying to lure the 251 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: country into this dialogue that anyone who's critical of Trump's 252 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: priorities eg. Israel is somehow a terrorist or a terrorist affiliate, right. 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: But I also think some of this is that he's 254 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: using antisept like this guy does not give a fuck 255 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: about anti Semitism. 256 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh share about anti Semitism. 257 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: He's like, anti Semitism is the scourge and these people 258 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: aren't anti Semitic. And it's like, as a liberal Jew, 259 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: I can tell you that this is not about making 260 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: life better for Jews. And I think the sooner that 261 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: Jews are able to wake the fuck up and know 262 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: that this has nothing to do with an anti Semitism, 263 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: the better look. 264 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of people on the 265 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: right who have decided that their superpower is going to 266 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: be leveling opposition by saying that if you're not with us, 267 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: you're anti anti semit you're a terrorist. And then the 268 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: problem I think we're about to encounter, and I don't 269 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: think it's a trivial problem, is that they have found 270 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: a weak spot in American liberals where they don't want 271 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: to be called anti Semitic, even if they know it's 272 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: not true, even if they know it's garbage. They don't 273 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: want to be called that. They don't want to be 274 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: in that position. They don't want to feel that way. 275 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: And it's awful. But you know, these guys are not 276 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: good faith actors. I keep saying that to people. It's like, 277 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: do not think that this that this is some sort 278 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: of difference of opinion, This is some sort of difference 279 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: of ideology. This is a politic tactic where they're going 280 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 4: to say, Okay, well, now we took out that terrorist 281 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: and that now we have to take out these other 282 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: terrorists who are also opposed to Trump's policies, whether it's 283 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: on Israel or anything else. 284 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: Right, And I think that is I think that is 285 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the big that this really does not have anything to 286 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: do with anti Semitism, but has everything to do with 287 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: Trump's enemies or perceived. 288 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: Or real enemies. 289 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: That's right. I think that's exactly right. 290 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: And this is hit with a one two punch, right, 291 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars of funding from Columbia arresting grad 292 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: students and sending them to Louisiana, right, Like, this is 293 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: part of authoritarian playbooks. So all of the experts in authoritarianism, 294 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about Steven Lebitski from Harvard, who is 295 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorites, say you have to push back hard, 296 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: you have to push back right away. You have to 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: immediately get together as a group. Like, how much of 298 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: the country do you think like love this trump ism, 299 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: this authoritarianism, this sort of orange orbonism. 300 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: Twenty five percent? 301 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: That's what I think too. 302 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's twenty five percent, And 303 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 4: I think an awful lot of that twenty five percent 304 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: is relatively soft, because you know they're there. Yes, there 305 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: are the Tucker Carlsonite sort of tendency in the GOP today, 306 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: but that is still a minority, and there are still 307 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: a lot of people that don't look at at oppression 308 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: and dictatorship as the role model for American political life. 309 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: Even in the MAGA world, there's some there's been some 310 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: hesitation in some like, oh do we have to do 311 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: that right? Not enough in my opinion, not consistently in 312 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: my opinion. But the space that they're in right now 313 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: I think is very problematic for them because you really 314 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: are asking a bunch of Americans who grew up in 315 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: the Cold War, who did not believe in Putin and 316 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: the Russians as the good guys. You're asking them to 317 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: pretend that Putin and the Russian are the good guys. 318 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not. 319 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 5: Nope, they are. 320 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: Not, are not, now, never have been, never will be. 321 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody thinks they're the good guys. They are not 322 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: the good guys. 323 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: Man, they are exceedingly bad guys. And one of the 324 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 4: things we're about to learn. I think I think the 325 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 4: Europeans have done a kind of brilliant job in resetting 326 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: the power equation in Europe. Yeah, by just saying, Okay, 327 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: well we'll buy our own airplanes, we'll build our own Shit, 328 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: We're not going to play this game, and we're not 329 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: going to sit here in MacDonald Trump break apart the 330 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: rest of the European Alliance. I think Trump really thought 331 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: that there would be a quick capitulation by the rest 332 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: of Europe, because he does have that sort of that 333 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 4: sort of cheesy, cliched Tucker style thing of like everyone 334 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 4: in the European Union is a trans wissy or whatever. 335 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: They have this like stupid image in their heads, that 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: is not true. 337 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: Right, We're in it, right, We're in Project twenty twenty five. 338 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: Right, we are all in that shit. 339 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's sort of talk from minute. If you were 340 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: in the kind of dream scenario where you like, if 341 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: you you were actually sort of setting up people to 342 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: survive democracy, to survive what would be your first thing 343 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: you would do? 344 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 4: Well, The first thing you have to do is address 345 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: the singular force that's giving all these Republicans' confidence to 346 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: stick with Trump, and that singular force is Elon Musk. 347 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 4: Right now, they wake up every day and they say, Haha, 348 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: if I do what Elon wants, He'll throw twenty five 349 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: to fifty million, one hundred million dollars at my campaign 350 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: if I need it. And look, I don't think a 351 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: lot of them are wrong about that. So the destruction 352 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 4: of Tesla's stock value in the market has done more 353 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 4: for American politics in the last ten days than any 354 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: of us bitching or writing op eds. I think that 355 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: is an important thing to consider. What's the only thing 356 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: that started to alter his behavior. It's his stock price 357 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 4: crashing into the ground. Look, folks, if you've got a 358 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: Tesla to sell it, if you're think about buying a Tesla. Don't. 359 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: If you're a state government and you give Tesla buyers 360 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: any kind of incentive, cancel it tomorrow. California, by the way, 361 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: is part of why Elon Musk is still surviving financially, 362 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: because California is still giving people these enormous tax credits 363 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: and rebates for electric vehicles. I know you love electric vehicles, guys. 364 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: I'm not no hate on electric vehicles, but Tesla is 365 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 4: no longer an electric vehicle company. It is a bank 366 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 4: for fascists. 367 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean no, it's true. I mean that's the 368 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: thing is, they can't make us fine. Tesla is as 369 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: much as Teslay Teslay. Yeah, that's a really good point. 370 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: Tesla stock. So basically Elon has has. 371 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: You gotta start. You gotta start knocking Elon's knocking Elon's 372 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 4: ability to wage these battles down to size. Everything about 373 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: his financial position is about the value of his Tesla 374 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 4: stock everything. And I think if you end up where 375 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 4: Elon's waking up in the morning and saying, ah, crap, now, 376 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: it's starting to get tighter and smaller my margin of error, 377 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: and I could be fucked. I could lose Starlink, I 378 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: could lose SpaceX, I could lose all this financial leverage 379 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 4: I've had over so many Republican members of the House 380 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 4: and the Senate. 381 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 382 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: No, it's a really good point, Rick Wilson, do you 383 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: think Democrats should have a new Senate leadership? 384 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: Yes? I do. 385 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: And who do you think it should be? 386 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: I don't know who it should be, but Chuck Schumer 387 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: is not a wartime consigliary, and we need a wartime 388 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 4: consiguliary right. 389 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: Now, Rick Wilson, will you come back always? 390 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: You know me? 391 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: Tree Crowder is a comedian whose new special, Trash Daddy 392 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: is out on YouTube right now. 393 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics. 394 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: Try Yeah, glad to be here. 395 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: So explain to us how you got to be the 396 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: liberal redneck and your origin story, as we. 397 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: Say, yeah, well, for that, you got to go back 398 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: to the mid nineties rural Tennessee place called Clay County. 399 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 5: There's no traffic lights for McDonald's in Clay County where 400 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 5: I grew up. It's incredibly rural. But I kind of 401 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 5: grew up in a family of Southern Democrats and was 402 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 5: raised by one, actually my dad. I was raised by 403 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: a single father and I and thinking back on it, 404 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 5: I think that the big reason my dad was like 405 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 5: that is because his only sibling, my uncle Tim, who 406 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 5: I also loved very much, was gay and openly gay 407 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 5: man and had been since they were young adults. And 408 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 5: so I think in part because of that, and also 409 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 5: just in part because he wasn't really down with it, 410 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 5: my dad didn't He didn't mess with the church at all, 411 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 5: so we didn't go to church growing up. And he 412 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 5: also he just was like a lifelong Democrat, and so 413 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 5: I just always kind of was the weird old comedy 414 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: kid or whatever and like growing up like the whole time. 415 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: But like a lot of people, really, I'm sort of 416 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 5: kind of just the way that I was raised to be. 417 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 5: It's just that I was raised in an odd place 418 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 5: for that too have happened most of the other liberal rednecks. 419 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 5: I'd nothing like my wife and a lot of my 420 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 5: good friends and guys that I do comedy with and stuff, 421 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 5: they're kind of all the blue sheep and their family. 422 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 5: It seems like that's more common, Yeah, but that's not 423 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 5: really the case for me actually. 424 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: So Yeah, my first question is one of the problems 425 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: that I think about a lot, right, which is that 426 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: Democrats have a lot of really popular policies for working people, right, 427 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Like Republicans are not fighting to get free classes. Right, 428 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: that's a democratic policy. But for whatever reason, that is 429 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: not how a lot of people in the area you 430 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: grew up vote. 431 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 5: So why do you. 432 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: Think that is. 433 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 5: I can start with a personal anecdote that I'll never 434 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: forget my grandfather, my dad's dad, who had also been 435 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 5: a lifelong Southern Democrat. And I'm not gonna lie when 436 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 5: we're talking about my grandpa and I say Southern Democrat, 437 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: I do kind of mean the old school type of 438 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 5: Southern Democrat, which is to say, you know, he definitely 439 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 5: wasn't not racist, but he had voted Democrats whole life 440 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 5: and was doing so in the nineties and for Clinton 441 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 5: and everything. But I'm from a small town. There was 442 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 5: the beating heart of that town's economy was a big 443 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 5: clothing factory, an Oshkosh Bagosh factory, and my grandpa had 444 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 5: a car lot, my dad had a video store, my 445 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 5: gay uncle I mentioned earlier had a deli. And then 446 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 5: the factory closed after NAFTA, and in pretty short order 447 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 5: all those other businesses closed too, and the town just 448 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 5: kind of died. And I can remember when that was 449 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 5: in the process of happening. I was probably ten, and 450 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 5: I remember sitting in my dad's video store, and I 451 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 5: have a vivid memory of my grandpa storming into the 452 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: video store holding a newspaper that I'm assuming had something 453 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 5: on it about the factory leaving or whatever, and he 454 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 5: spiked the newspaper on the counter and he goes, I'll 455 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 5: never vote for another Democrat as long as I live. 456 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 5: And my dad was like kind of trying to talk 457 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 5: him off that ledge a little bit, but he wasn't 458 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 5: having it. Now, my grandpa didn't live that much longer. 459 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 5: He had a massive heart attack as a few years later, 460 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 5: but so he hasn't been around for all this. But 461 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 5: I think it kind of started there. And then that 462 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 5: was around the same time that you know, propaganda got 463 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 5: into full swing in my opinion, you know, that was 464 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 5: like that was sort of the rush Inball era and 465 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: then followed by the Fox News era, and the narrative 466 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 5: got firmly entrenched that, you know, the Democrats not only 467 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: don't care about you, but like look down on you, 468 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: and you know, think they're better than you and think 469 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: you're gross and all that type of stuff. And now 470 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: in the modern era. It's even worse than that because 471 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 5: now they're all, of course sex trafficking, pedophiles and all 472 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: this crazy. So it's like they hear all that and 473 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 5: don't ever get to like, or even if they get 474 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 5: to it, don't believe in the actual like working people 475 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 5: policies that the Democrats do try to do or get 476 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: across to them. And it's frustrating. 477 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it certainly seems like NAFTA was the original 478 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: sin right in this case, you know, this is one 479 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: of the Originalton's right, the idea that it's manufacturing that left, 480 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: so we're talking sort of the Clinton era, you know, 481 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: losing those I think it's super interesting, and I also 482 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: wonder a lot, like when we talk about this propaganda stuff, 483 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: because that is certainly worked incredibly. 484 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: Wow, why do you think it worked so well? 485 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: And what are these threads that you think I've been 486 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: the most successful. 487 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 5: I think part of why it works so well as 488 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 5: it gets tied to like people's identity and everything, and 489 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 5: like at a fundamental level, like religion is obviously a 490 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 5: big part of it gets drawn into it, which I 491 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 5: alluded to earlier, is a huge thing, at least in 492 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 5: my part of Red America, well most of like red 493 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 5: rural America, you know, the church is pretty big, and 494 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 5: it's like that was another kind of earlier factor that's 495 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 5: been very successful with them, like aligning themselves so incontrovertibly 496 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 5: with the Church, you know, so successfully. So it's like, 497 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 5: you know, you're not a good Christian if you're not 498 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 5: you know, a Republican. And then you know, and then 499 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 5: on top of that, especially when you hear you know, 500 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: the Democrat you know, they whatever, you know, they love 501 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 5: abortions and they love drug addicts and all this stuff. 502 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, even though obviously Jesus was 503 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 5: like a you know, like a barefoot socialist who hung 504 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 5: out with constitution reprobates and centers and stuff. Yeah, but 505 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 5: that's you know, they don't that Jesus is kind of 506 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 5: he sort of they've been like catfished by uh, you know, 507 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 5: Naga Jesus or whatever they you know, that lost sight 508 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 5: of the old one, the real one. 509 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I just wonder like when we talk about 510 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: these MAGA influencers, people like Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon, 511 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: actually think Steve Banner is not in the same category 512 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: as Charlie kirkuse, I think Steve Bannon is very very smart. 513 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't think Charlie Kirk is so smart. But the volume, 514 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: the sheer volume of content, Like there is no liberal 515 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: producing hours and hours and hours of content like that. 516 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 5: No, And it's like, so if you get into that 517 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 5: whole world, you get down that rabbit hole, it's like 518 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 5: you can be satiated endlessly. You know, you never have 519 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 5: to come out of it. Like it's just it's perpetual, 520 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 5: the content stream over there. You're right, Liberals have ourd 521 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 5: time replicating that. And I think, you know, I mean, 522 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 5: I'm kind of in that world. I make you know, 523 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: comedic political videos on the Internet for a liberal audience 524 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: and stuff. So I've definitely thought about this type of thing. 525 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 5: And I think that it's also just kind of a 526 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 5: fundamental difference in the demographics. Speaking as a liberal, you 527 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 5: just don't see the same type of cultish devotion or 528 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 5: whatever that you see, Like it's not as people aren't 529 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 5: as zealous, like you know, I'll go after like the 530 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: Democrats too, they pissed me off often, you know, And 531 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 5: also the Democrats are much more diverse coalition because it's like, 532 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 5: you know, it's everybody or you know, trying to be 533 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 5: and so it's not as like unified in that way, 534 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 5: and you see fewer bumper stickers and T shirts and stuff. 535 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 5: We don't treat it as much like a sports team 536 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 5: on the left. And so that's like another reason why 537 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 5: it's hard to get that level of influence on this 538 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 5: side of you know, the isle or the fence or whatever. 539 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: Do you think that is actually how we got here? 540 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I often puzzle about the fact that we 541 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: have elected this man twice? 542 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you think we got here? 543 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Oh? 544 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, no, I'm with you. I mean, 545 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 5: even though like in twenty sixteen and during his rise, 546 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: he gotten a little bit of a following and stuff, 547 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 5: and I was posting online and even though I was 548 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 5: telling people because of where I'm from, you know, I 549 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 5: described earlier my town, that factory, my grandpa, everything that 550 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 5: happened there, and what state was it in Tennessee to Salina, Tennessee. 551 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 5: And because of all that, I was telling people during 552 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 5: his rise, like, you know, some of y'all are not 553 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 5: taking this seriously enough. This is definitely a real thing. 554 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 5: But even I still didn't go into my head at 555 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 5: the end of the day actually think he was gonna 556 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 5: win though, and so I was kind of blindsided by 557 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 5: what he did, and then I was more ready for 558 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 5: it this last time. But it was like, to me, 559 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: in my head, I was like, okay, that first time, 560 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 5: I know, I could understand. I could understand people in 561 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: my hometown. I don't know how they didn't see that 562 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 5: it was complete bullshit what he was doing. I don't 563 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 5: know how they couldn't tell that, but I could see that, 564 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: you know, he was like pretending to care about them 565 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 5: and nobody else was, and he was saying things they 566 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: wanted to hear, and I could understand how that was 567 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: like effective. But to me, all these years later, after 568 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: him having proven that he's not going to do any 569 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 5: of that, he's not going to like help any of 570 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 5: them and everything, was surprised that not only would they 571 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: go back to the will, but that he knew people 572 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 5: would sign up. Of course, a lot of other things 573 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 5: happened along the way with. 574 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: Biden his perception, right, Yeah, and for sure that was 575 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: definitely an issue. And I think that one of the 576 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: things that happened was Biden disappeared, so there was no 577 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: candidate that they had, no one right, they didn't even 578 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: know if he was running for president really, and in fact, 579 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: like we saw the day of the election google searches 580 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: of people trying to figure out who was running for president. 581 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: So obviously mistakes were made. But I just wonder, like 582 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that a lot of people think, 583 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: including myself, is that I always thought, and I think 584 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: this is a mistake I made, that at some point 585 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: voters and especially these conservative voters right, would be like, oh, 586 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: we've been had, right, We've been conned. But it seems 587 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: like that moment has never happened. Will that never happen? 588 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: And explain that, Yeah, I'm with you completely. That's what 589 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking too. That's what I was, you know, 590 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: trying to get at a minute ago. Was like I 591 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: kept thinking that moment would come to and then clearly 592 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: after just like, clearly it hasn't yet. 593 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 5: Will it ever? I think for a certain subset of them, no, no, 594 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 5: absolutely no, it won't. Oh wow never, oh wow, certain 595 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 5: chunk But I do think that that and I don't 596 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 5: know what the percent is, but I'm just saying some 597 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 5: of them I do think are like I think are 598 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 5: basically unreachable at this point. But like I think enough 599 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 5: of them, I think it still could happen. But I 600 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 5: think the only way that the only way he gets 601 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 5: there is like it gets bad enough for enough people, 602 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 5: like in a way that they can't ignore, you know. 603 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: I mean we've already seen some you know, it's like 604 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: some anecdotal viral accounts of people being like I didn't 605 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: know he was going to do this when I voted 606 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: for him, even though it was stuff he said he 607 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 5: was going to do the whole time. But like, if 608 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: that happens to enough people in effect, because that's always 609 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 5: been the thing with them that I found, it has 610 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 5: to affect them personally, right, like for them to really care. 611 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 5: It's kind of a lack of empathy that's behind it all, 612 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 5: in my opinion. But if things get bad enough to 613 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 5: affect enough of these people on a personal level that 614 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 5: they can't ignore, then I would like to think surely 615 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 5: they'll wake up. And then if and when they wake up, 616 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 5: then the Republicans won't feel they're beholden to Trump anymore 617 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 5: if enough of the public turns on them, and then 618 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 5: maybe there's some hope at that point. But I don't 619 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 5: know where that line is or how bad things have 620 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 5: to get or you know how far we have to go. 621 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 5: But I'd like to think it's that it exists, that 622 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 5: it's possible, right right, right? 623 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I too would like to think 624 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: it exists in as possible. So like that's the big question, right, 625 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Like I think about this a lot, because you know, 626 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: this summer, I did a whole YouTube series on Project 627 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and when I did it, I have 628 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: this realization, which was, if you are dependent on anything 629 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: from the government, Project twenty twenty five will completely fuck you, 630 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: because it was like, you know, it's basically stripping the 631 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: government to the studs, making it a government that doesn't 632 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: do stuff for people anymore. So that's the ethos, right, 633 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: that's the Koch brothers, that's the dream of all Republican 634 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: elected maybe not all, but many. So what I wondered 635 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: when I went down this path was I thought, like, 636 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: when will the moment be where these Tennessee voters who 637 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: you know elected Marsha Blackburn, Like that crew goes like, 638 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: wait a second, I had social Security stacks under Biden. 639 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean they're saying they won't touch social Security, Okay, 640 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: so let's say they touch Medicaid, right, say because you know, 641 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: that original House bill had eight hundred. 642 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: And eighty billion from Medicaid over ten years. 643 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: So that means like I live in rural Tennessee and 644 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: my local hospital is gone. It's closed because they don't 645 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: have Medicaid money anymore, So I now have to go 646 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: to a hospital an extra forty miles or fifty miles 647 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: the way. Do you think that will be the moment 648 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: or will they just go into some other coping mechanism. 649 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 5: I mean, I think I know what the coping mechanism 650 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: will be. If that's the path that choose, they'll find 651 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: I don't know. I know this sounds crazy, but they'll 652 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 5: just find some way no matter what. To still blame 653 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 5: Democrats for it, because like the town I'm from I 654 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 5: mentioned earlier, our hospital is currently closed and has closed 655 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 5: and reopened like three or four times in the past 656 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 5: few years, and closed for good during Joe Biden's administration. 657 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 5: But it's because of. 658 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 2: A state refusing to take the Medicaid expansion. 659 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 5: The Republicans who run the state are the reason that 660 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 5: it closed. But Joe Biden was the president, and so 661 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 5: it's like, you know, they're like, this is Biden's America 662 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 5: and so I wonder too, will they be able to 663 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: convince themselves, delude themselves, or whatever, and to find when 664 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 5: they have every you know, branch of government and every 665 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: lever of power there is right now and everyone knows that, 666 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 5: will they still find some way even despite that, to 667 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 5: blame Democrats for some of these bad things that do 668 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 5: happen and then just you know, go on from there. 669 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 5: Because that's part of what worries me. I'd like to 670 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 5: think that enough of them won't be able to do that, 671 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 5: because even they will have to admit it's like, well, hey, 672 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 5: this is Trump's in the White House, the Republicans are 673 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 5: or in Congress, so this kind of has to be 674 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 5: on them. I'd like to think that's what happens, but 675 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 5: I'm not you know, I'm not sure. 676 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: What you're saying here. And this is the thing, And 677 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: actually Paul Krugman wrote a really smart substack about this 678 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: where he's said, the problem with trump Ism is that 679 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: ultimately they are constantly using conspiracies to explain things, and 680 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: so you find, you know, another conspiracy ends up being 681 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: the solve for this conspiracy, if that makes sense, And 682 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: that is kind of crazy. 683 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 5: Absolutely crazy that I mean, that's that, like we mentioned earlier, 684 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 5: with like them becoming inextricably intertwined with like the Christians 685 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 5: and the Church and everything. That's like now also happened 686 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 5: with like every conspiracy theory is like after QAnon, and 687 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 5: now it's like every right winger who's serious about it 688 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: is also a conspiracy theorist or whatever. And it's you know, 689 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 5: because I mean I used to like reading about aliens 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 5: and UFOs and stuff, and you know, watching Oliver Stone 691 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 5: over here and there and that type of thing that 692 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 5: was fun. I never liked seriously, God never got too 693 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 5: deep into it, but I thought it was like neat 694 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 5: that type of thing. And then now it's just, like 695 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 5: like so many other things, just going completely off the 696 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 5: deep end is way more nefarious. And yeah, and it's 697 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 5: dangerous because, like you said, when you're into that type 698 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 5: of thing, you can make almost anything, make exactly the 699 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 5: kind of sense that you want it to, because making 700 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 5: actual sense doesn't matter to you anymore when you're you know, 701 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 5: when you're into that stuff. 702 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: It's just a rabbit hole that I don't quite understand 703 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: how you get yourself out of. If Republicans are responsible 704 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: for nothing, then when would you be able to ever 705 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: sort of process and change. I mean that's the question 706 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: is like the market, right, Like Trump is crashing the 707 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: markets and it's not entirely clear why, right, Yeah, you 708 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: know he's doing it because he's mad at what. 709 00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 5: I don't know. 710 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: Estion is sort of like if he's doing that and 711 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: everything is about a conspiracy, then how do you ever stop? 712 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 5: Right? 713 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: Where's the exit? 714 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 715 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 5: No, I don't. I'm yeah, I'm with you. I worried 716 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 5: about that. That's also another huge factor, you know, him 717 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 5: establishing the like sort of fake news paradigm or whatever too. 718 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 5: It's like any you know, like that quote everybody uses 719 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 5: pretty appropriately from nineteen eighty four about the Party told 720 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 5: you ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It 721 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 5: was their final most fundamental command or whatever, and he 722 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 5: like started with that in twenty sixteen, like you know, 723 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 5: even if you see something doesn't mean it's true. And 724 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 5: so it's just all kind of like wrapped up together 725 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: into one big, you know, ball of really shitty yarn 726 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 5: that the rest of us are choking on. And I 727 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 5: don't know what today, you know, I know the left 728 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 5: is trying to figure it out, as always talking about 729 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 5: like the search for a leftist Joe Rogan and all 730 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 5: this type of thing about like pushing back. But the 731 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 5: thing is, I do think it's important to find for 732 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 5: the left and get writ large, to find a way 733 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 5: to push back in that fight, the propaganda fight, you know. 734 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 5: But it's hard. 735 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: But isn't the leftist Joe Rogan just Joe Rogan, Like 736 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 2: Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders, Like he's obviously somewhat open 737 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: to that, at least maybe not anymore. 738 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 5: But he was. I'm a comedian and I was a 739 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 5: comedy nerd before I was a comedian. I don't know 740 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 5: Joe personally, but I was a big fan of Joe's 741 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 5: and I used to listen to his podcast all the time. 742 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 5: And I also for a while when it kind of 743 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 5: first started to talk about him, you know, being up 744 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 5: gateway to the right or whatever, people said, I was 745 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 5: an apologist for him. I was like, Nah, he's really 746 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 5: not like that. Again, he's a Bernie guy. If you 747 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 5: actually listen to what he says, he's like, he ain't 748 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 5: that guy. But speaking as a fan in COVID in 749 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 5: the years COVID and moving to Texas, the Spotify deal 750 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 5: and all the years since he has definitely drifted much further. 751 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 5: He's pretty solidly on the on the right at this point, 752 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 5: not the same Joe that I recall and was and 753 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 5: was into in my twenties and stuff. So I mean, 754 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 5: I don't know who they left. I saw somebody pointed out, 755 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 5: you know, it's like it could be Bill Burr, but 756 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 5: Bill Burr's not I don't interested in doing it. He's 757 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: like probably the best best comedian right now, and he's 758 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 5: very much a common sense guy. And it's like, but 759 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 5: I don't think he's looking for that job necessarily. So 760 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 5: but again I did because I have two I have 761 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 5: two sons, they're twelve and thirteen, and everything's cool right now. 762 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 5: Everything's fine, But like, I just worry a lot about 763 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 5: the narrative of like gen Z Boys and like Andrew 764 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 5: Tait of it All and all that stuff. You know, 765 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 5: there needs to be a response to that out there, 766 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 5: like on the left, because when I was like coming 767 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 5: of age, the coolest thing there was, like when I 768 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 5: was in college age and stuff, the coolest thing there 769 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 5: was was like John Stewart in the Daily Show and 770 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 5: Stephen Colbert and every college every frat bro, every college 771 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 5: guy was watching that every night, getting high and watching 772 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 5: the Daily Show and stuff. 773 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: Yep, so good and so important. 774 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 5: Tray. 775 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: I hope you'll come back. 776 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely anytime. Thank you out, thank you for 777 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 5: having me. 778 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 4: And all on moon. Rick Wilson, It's a time for 779 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 4: a moment of fucker. 780 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: It is the moment of fuckery. 781 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 4: What's your moment of fuckery this week? 782 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: Molly, So we are gonna we're going to talk about 783 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: the Alien Insurrection Act, which was an eighteenth century law that, 784 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: by the way, was in. 785 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: Project twenty two. I know you're going to be shocked 786 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: to hear this. 787 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 4: Pit Wait, no way, are you telling me that Project 788 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five was the plan all along? I am 789 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 4: that is remarkable. 790 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: Remember when we said that A yeah, you said no, 791 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: he wouldn't and everyone was like, why would he lie? 792 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 2: Don' for lying? 793 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell anyone except what what. 794 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 4: Look if they really believe we're going to be in 795 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 4: a world where where we returned to eighteenth century laws 796 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 4: and and apply them as a political tool of Donald Trump, 797 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 4: well they are telling us once again that American institutions 798 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 4: and the rule of law and democracy are not only 799 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 4: a thing of the past, but that they're going to 800 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 4: use every conceivable tool in the toolbox to make that 801 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 4: the case. 802 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: Can I just say one last thing about this Alien 803 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: Interaction Act and Republicans more generally, this was the plan 804 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: right to use these zombie laws the age, and you're 805 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: going to see over the next four years, hopefully only 806 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: four years, that they're going to use more laws like this, 807 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: Like the next one is going to be calm stock. 808 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: This is a function of the Democratic Party not being 809 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: careful and saying, well, these laws aren't getting any use, 810 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: so there's no point in having to repeal them, right right. 811 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 4: When they say something to the effect of, well, yeah, 812 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 4: but that's so unlikely, and the courts would if anybody 813 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 4: is like counting on the courts to save us anymore, 814 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 4: I do have some terrible news for it. Well. 815 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: The thing that's weird, though, is the courts are actually 816 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: saving us. The problem is that it turns out the 817 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: totally lawless guy does really give a fuck about the course. 818 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 4: That is to my mind a bit of an issue 819 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 4: that you have somebody who is now there's no political 820 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 4: accountability from his own party. Certainly you know, as you 821 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 4: would not expected, but there's no political accountability whatsoever for 822 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 4: the people that are enabling him. It's just a very 823 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 4: dark and problematic thing because you would in an ordinary 824 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 4: universe these people would have to face consequences for doing 825 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 4: things that are lawless and insane. But again, going back 826 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 4: to Elon Musk, they all feel like Daddy Elon will 827 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 4: save me if I get in political trouble for doing 828 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 4: the stupidest fucking things in the world. 829 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 2: Rick Wilson, I'll see you soon. 830 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 4: Pleasure talk to you later. 831 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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