1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we cut 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: to the heart of what matters to you. Today, we've 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: got Matt Whitlock on this show. He's the host of 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Ten Minute Drill, a senior vice president at CRC Advisors, 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: and he's also worked for National Republican Senatorial Committee Senator 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Mike Lee, a lot of people like that on Capitol Hill. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: We're going to impac the fallout from the devastating Texas floods. 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: Absolutely devastating. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: So many young children have died in these floods, truly heartbreaking. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: But what are Democrats doing. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: They're trying to politicize this tragedy for political gains. So 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: we'll get into that with Matt. Also, we're going to 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: talk about the Big Beautiful Bill. If you look at 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: parts of the bill they pull well, you know, people 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: want border security, people want things like that, but overall 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: the bill does struggle in pulling. So what does that 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: look like for the midterms heading into them? For Republicans, 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: you've got people like House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries calling 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: it a crime scene due to what he says or 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: medicaid cuts. 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: So how do Republicans counteract that? What does that. 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: Messaging need to look like, particularly when historically the party 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: in charge does struggle in a midterm. I'm astly gonna 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: ask Matt about a new victor. Davis Hansen op ed 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: his scathing critique of America's experts and they're crumbling credibility. 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: So tune in. 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Matt Whitlock about a lot of things 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: and get his insight, particularly all his time in politics. 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: So stay tuned for Matt Whitlock. Well, Matt Whitlock, It's 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: great to have you on this show. 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: I've known you for a little while now, so you 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: have been doing hitting the TV circuit, but you've been 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill for or you've worked on Capitol Hill 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: in and around Washington, DC and politics for a long 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: long time, and you know a lot. 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: So great to have you on the show. Appreciate you 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: making the time. 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, big fan, big fan. 39 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of disgusting because is you know, 41 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: we're still finding out how many people have died in 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Central Texas. There's still you know, search and rescue recovery 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: efforts that are underway. 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 2: Over ninety people have died. 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: That number are going to continue to climb, and yet 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Democrats are using this as an opportunity for politics. It 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: really is. 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: It's gross. Yeah, really it's gross. 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: And it begins with this sort of model of you know, 50 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: let's blame Trump, let's figure out how he can pin 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 4: this on him, and then you know, usually five to 52 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: six hours go by and you get new data that shows, okay, wait, 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: this wasn't Trump's fault. There actually was good staff and 54 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: for the weather services. You get the people saying, oh, 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: it's Trump's fault because he's ignoring climate change, and then 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: you get the experts that are coming out and saying, no, actually, 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 4: this is pretty similar to a pattern they've had for 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 4: a long time. But it really is just gross to 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: see again, as you said, they're still finding bodies and 60 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: it already has become such a nasty political conversation. I 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 4: think it just speaks to where our kind of political 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 4: cultural dynamic is right now, which is really toxic. 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: Well's interesting too, because it's not just like the low 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: brow Democrats who are just you know, completely gross and 65 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: always taking cheap shots. 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: It's also people like David Oxwrod. 67 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 4: Yep, yeah it is, and George Stephanopolis and even like 68 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: Dana Bash, who I think actually tries pretty hard to 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: be fair, had like a big segment right away was 70 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: this climate change and did Trump do this? And it's 71 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: like a lot of times when media people are asking 72 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: questions like that, it's because they want to make the point, Yes, 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 4: it is Trump's fault and this was climate change. And 74 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: that's really really disappointing to see that. Again, like a 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: lie travels around the world before the truth can get 76 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: its shoes on. We see that so much because of 77 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: those more prominent media figures. 78 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: But it's like it's sad in an environment like this, 79 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, to sort of immediately turn to politics. But 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of just where we are politically at this 81 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: point in the country, where like the hatred for Trump 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: is so great that it supersedes human decency to you know, 83 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: focus on what's in court right now, which is finding 84 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, these young girls, of trying to find you know, 85 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, to try to rescue people, to recover people 86 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: as well, and so you know that the supersedes all else. 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: It reminds me a lot of how democrats react to like, 88 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: you know, gun violence. It's always immediately, you know, how 89 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 4: can we blame the NRA and whatever lawmakers are not 90 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: angry enough about the NRA before we even know the 91 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: facts on the ground, They've set up this sort of 92 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: knee jerk reactionary machine to inject politics before we know 93 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: any facts. And often, you know, based on the circumstances 94 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: of the shooting, it will disappear from media as soon 95 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: as details come out. But that's exact same thing we're 96 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: seeing with Texas, with you know, how can we blame Trump, 97 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: How can we blame you know, Republican involvement before we 98 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: even know so much of how this happened. I think, 99 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 4: to your point, it's really tragic. 100 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: Well, and of course, you know they're turning into Doge 101 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: cuts and you know, any sort of reduction in spending, 102 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: you know they're they're going to sort of use US 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: is a political weapon in times like these, So you know, 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: this is not the last we're going to see of 105 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: this moving forward. Essentially, every you know, any tragedy is 106 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: going to be blamed on, you know, Doge in any 107 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: sort of spending reductions that we do. 108 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: And the White House is already sort of setting up 109 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 4: a model to work in overtime to refute that they're 110 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: doing a good job at this. But again, by the time, 111 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: you know, they're able to sort of get the facts 112 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: out there and highlight the local experts who are saying 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: everything these you know, more politically minded left wing people 114 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: are saying is crap, like it's it's you know, unfortunate. 115 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: How many people already have the cemented narratives. But you're 116 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: totally right, this is going to be a case all 117 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: the time where we get one day of insane news 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: about look at what Trump and Elon let happen before 119 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: we find out, oh, actually it wasn't connected to that 120 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: at all. 121 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: I think it's a huge. 122 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: Problem, and they're going to do this with the Big 123 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill as well. Heading into the midterms, We've already seen, 124 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, House Minority Leader Keem Jefferies say things on 125 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: the House floor like people will die tens of thousands, 126 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: perhaps year after year as a result of the Republican 127 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: assault is what he's calling it on the healthcare of 128 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: the American people. You've got the D Triple C saying 129 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: that you know, they're going to go up with ads 130 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: against Republicans already really sort of laying the groundwork that 131 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful Bill is going to be a rallying 132 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: cry for the left. 133 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: How do you think that will go politically? 134 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: So I was in the Senate in twenty seventeen when 135 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 4: we passed the Trump tax cuts, which also included the 136 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: end of the Obamacare individual mandate, and I remember at 137 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: that time we had really really similar, you know, doom warnings. 138 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: You know, everyone's gonna die, people will you know, be destitute, 139 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 4: and there will be huge problems and giant deficits. And 140 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 4: almost every single one of those predictions ended. 141 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: Up being wrong. 142 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: But what's unfortunate is those predictions and the sort of 143 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: machine behind them limit what people are actually willing to 144 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 4: do from a policy sense, because they're so worried of 145 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: the marches and the activists who come in and say, 146 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: you know, you've got blood on your hands for this policy. 147 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: But when you look at the big, beautiful bill itself, 148 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: particularly the Medicaid and Snap components that Democrats are so 149 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: hyper focused on, these are eligibility requirements, and when you 150 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 4: break down the numbers of who's going to lose care, 151 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: it is overwhelmingly that people who should not be on 152 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: these programs in the first place, whether it's illegal immigrants, 153 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: which we know more than a million illegal immigrants are 154 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: getting Medicaid right now. But even more than that, it's 155 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: the able bodied video gamers. And we have data to 156 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: show that the number of able bodied young adults with 157 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: no dependents, who don't have a disability, they are playing 158 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: more video games and doing more TV video watching, streaming 159 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: than your average person because they have a free time. 160 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: Those are millions and millions of people that we shouldn't 161 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: want on the program. And when you look at the 162 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: fact that there's about thirty five million people in the 163 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: country right now below the poverty line and seventy million 164 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: people on Medicaid, the math just doesn't add up. And 165 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: so there should be a vehicle to get people off 166 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: these programs, these safety net programs who shouldn't be on them. 167 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: And when I hear Democrats talk about, you know, fifty 168 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: thousand people will die a year because of these work 169 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: requirements things like that, I have to point out. We 170 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: know right now there's about seven hundred thousand people on 171 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: waiting lists for Medicaid hiring community based services for the 172 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: type of home care. But so many people with severe 173 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: disabilities need they can't get it because they have to 174 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: compete against these able bodied young men who shouldn't be 175 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: on Medicaid in the first place. And the wait time 176 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 4: for all these services is up to forty months, which 177 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: again sounds like Europe. 178 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 3: It sounds like socialized medicine. 179 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: And if it sounds like that to you, it's important 180 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: because what Democrats have done with medicaid expansion and trying 181 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: to make it more attractive for able body young men 182 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: to jump on this is their project to create socialized 183 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: medicine in America through medicaid by turning it into single 184 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: pair and things like that. And so that's why this 185 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: system sounds more and more like Europe and less like 186 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: a free market system. And so again, these eligibility checks 187 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: are incredibly popular, as are almost all the individual components 188 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: of the. 189 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: Big beautiful bill. 190 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: But if you turn on the media, all you hear 191 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 4: is doom and gloom about how this is going to 192 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 4: hurt so many people and be a tax cut for 193 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: the rich. The rich have the exact same tax cut 194 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: or tax rate after this bill that they had before. 195 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: Nothing is changing for them except the fact that the 196 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: tax cuts that help the economy so much from twenty 197 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 4: seventeen until. 198 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: Now are extended. 199 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: And I do hope Republicans go on offense on the 200 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: fact that every Democrat in Congress just voted for one 201 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: of the biggest tax increases we've ever seen by opposing 202 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 4: the extension of these incredibly popular tax cuts from twenty seventeen. 203 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: So as you go point by point through this bill, 204 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: the individual components are incredibly popular, and Republicans have their 205 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 4: work cut out for them trying to erase the lies 206 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: and dishonesty from Democrats in the media about the bill 207 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 4: as a whole. 208 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick commercial break more with 209 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Matt Whitlock on the other side. I do think there's 210 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: a challenge in this sense, Like even if you look 211 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: at some of the polling, like as you pointed out, 212 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: the individual components, like you know, securing the border, things 213 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: like that, those are popular and they pull well. But 214 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: like at hole as a whole, the bill has not 215 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: been pulling as popular. You know, you know, whether you know, 216 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the polling has been skewed over the years, 217 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: but you know, Fox had a recent one where you know, 218 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: fifty nine percent opposed it. There's been some other pulling 219 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: as well on the totality. 220 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: Of the bill. 221 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, do you think there's a danger in 222 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: just the largeness of it, of being able to sell 223 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: it or do you think, you know, I guess, how 224 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: do Republicans sell that? How do those how do they 225 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: turn those numbers around heading into the midterms. 226 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: That's such an important question. 227 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: I do think they have to break down what the 228 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: bill is, they have to rebrand it. One way that 229 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: they did it back in twenty seventeen was highlighting the 230 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 4: individual benefits, particularly as companies saw their own you know, 231 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: were able to keep more of their own money to 232 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: pay their own employees they hired. They were able to 233 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: pass on the benefits of that by expanding, by giving 234 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: out bonuses to their employees, things like that. This will 235 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: be a bill that needs to be told in story 236 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: form as people go through and talk about the benefits 237 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: to it. It is hard to message on a you know, 238 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: near miss of catastrophe. It's hard to message on you 239 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: almost just had this massive tax like it's still good 240 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: policy and it's still important to do. But that is 241 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: part of the reason this is such an uphill battle 242 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: is conveying to people what their tax situation would have 243 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: been if this didn't happen, that at the worst possible time, 244 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: they would have seen an increase of fifteen hundred dollars 245 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: a year on their tax bill and seeing all these 246 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: other horrible fees go up, and so they do need 247 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 4: to go on the road point by point and explain 248 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: to people that there is something for everyone in this bill. 249 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: You know, whether it's no tax on tips for somebody 250 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: who's working, you know, hourly jobs or in the service industry, 251 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 4: whether you're a senior talking about the deduction to your 252 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: Social Security taxes, talking about as you said, immigration enforced 253 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: continues to be one of the most popular things President 254 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: Trump is working on. This gives a massive cash infusion 255 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: to carry that out. Gun owners, the decrease on taxes 256 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 4: for suppressors, that's a huge one they've been fighting on 257 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: for years. It gets more and more niche as you go. 258 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: But the point is there is something for everyone. In 259 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: the downside that Dems are talking about are things that 260 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: simply aren't going to materialize, particularly when you talk about 261 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: these tens of thousands of deaths that didn't happen when 262 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: we got rid of the individual mandate, and it's not 263 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: going to happen because of eligibility checks that make Medicaid 264 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: work better and longer for the people actually need it. 265 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 4: So again, we do have our work cut out for 266 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: us and selling this. But I also think it's going 267 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: to be an exercise of seeing the bill come into 268 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: play and realizing that there's been so much crying wolf 269 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: from Democrats. 270 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: Man. 271 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: I definitely think the medicaid aspect is going to be 272 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: probably you know, the prickliest part about it. You know, 273 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: we're kind of already seeing like Representative Chris Papas, who's 274 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: running for Senate in New Hampshire, you know, going on 275 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: earth least attempting to go on offense, saying that forty 276 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: six thousand people in New Hampshire will lose their health insurance. 277 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: I know there's been some Congressional Budget Office estimates, you know, 278 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: saying millions of people. 279 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: Could lose coverage. 280 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: So I do think that's probably like the biggest point 281 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: of concern. Would you agree with that in terms of 282 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: that's sort of like the biggest point of vulnerability potentially. 283 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 4: I think it's the biggest point of vulnerability if people 284 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: don't understand what the medicaid reforms in this bill actually were. 285 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 4: And that's one thing I think Scott Besson, you know, 286 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 4: on Sunday, did a really good job great. 287 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: I say, put him on. 288 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: TV every week, if not more, if you can the 289 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: way that you described both the Medicaid eligibility check but 290 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: also the misconception about Medicaid cuts. One thing that he 291 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 4: pointed out that's so important here is Medicaid is going 292 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: to continue to grow. It will still be about ten 293 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: percent larger in ten years from now than it is 294 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 4: right now. So it's not cuts to Medicaid as a program. 295 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 4: It is trying to ensure that it doesn't continue to 296 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: row so astronomically that we can't afford it in that 297 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 4: it's not actually helping people. So when people like you know, 298 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: Pappus or for example Amy Klovich a brought out a 299 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: bunch of patients the week of the vote to say 300 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: this person's Medicaid is at risk, and he brought out, 301 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 4: for example, a dad with a disabled daughter to say 302 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: her Medicaid is at risk, the reality is and I 303 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: wish if our media was as aggressive fact checking Democrats 304 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: as they are against Republicans, they would have pointed out 305 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: nothing about this built risks that girl's medicaid. But what 306 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: does risk her access to Medicaid is Democrats' insistence that 307 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 4: she compete for care against illegal immigrants and people who 308 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: are able bodied with no dependence and no disabilities who 309 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: shouldn't be on the program in the first place. So again, 310 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: the problem here is media has not fact checked Democrats 311 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: on these numbers. They haven't fact checked Democrats on the 312 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: fact that every time you hear a Democrat talk, they're 313 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: tacking on another two or three million who are going 314 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: to lose their health care without any actual sort of 315 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: data behind it. They just kind of to keep expanding 316 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: and expanding and expanding and hoping that nobody checks on it. 317 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: And I mean, they've been lucky that nobody really has. 318 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: But as you talk about how this is actually going 319 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: to work taking people off, about eighty percent of the 320 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 4: country believes there's fraudway it's going to be used in Medicaid, 321 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: and about sixty five to seventy percent support the eligibility requirements. 322 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: But what Democrats have convinced people is that Republicans are 323 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: taking a chainsaw to the program so that people who 324 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 4: actually need the program are going to lose it. 325 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: But that's just not the case. 326 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: The reality is the people that are going to lose 327 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: Medicaid are the people that shouldn't be on it in 328 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: the first place. That's going to make it work so 329 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: much better for the people actually need it. And Republicans 330 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: have to keep following the lead of people like Scott 331 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: Besson and getting out there shouting it from the rooftops, 332 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: even holding media accountable for letting Democrats get away with 333 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: so much dishonesty on this topic. 334 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, I do you think the difference now between you know, 335 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: when we're getting hit with the Path to Prosperities stuff 336 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: with Paul Ryan. You know, the difference now is Trump right, 337 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,119 Speaker 1: and the Republican Party has become a lot more aggressive 338 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: under him, a lot you know, like gone are the 339 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: days of Oh, a binder is full of women, you know, 340 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: like with Roney, it's like we're just you know, Trump 341 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: has sort of encouraged the Republican Party to be you know, 342 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: hit back a little bit more strong, you know strong. 343 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: Uh. You know, it's interesting. 344 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: I worked for Tommy Thompson, who was sort of like 345 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: the pioneer of medicaid reform in Wisconsin with Wisconsin Works. 346 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: You know, Bill Clinton actually copied his model when he 347 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: was president to reform medicaid and it was a positive 348 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: for the state of Wisconsin. I mean, the caseloads declined 349 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: by more than ninety percent for welfare and the economic 350 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: status of those that are part of Wisconsin Works improved, 351 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: So you know, it was to the benefit of the 352 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: individuals involved with sort of the work requirements as part 353 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: of that reform. So, you know, I viewed that aspect 354 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: is definitely as a positive and really all of it. 355 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: It's just you know, obviously we're talking about the politics 356 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: of things. I wanted to ask you, Victory Davis Hansen 357 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: had an interesting article talking about how, you know, everyone 358 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: just keeps getting things wrong in the age of Trump, 359 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: whether it's tariffs, whether it's saying that we're going to 360 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: enter into World War three, if President Trump engaged with Iran. 361 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: You know, the list goes on and on, and he 362 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: blames like the universities for you know, sort of waging 363 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: this war against free thinkers, free speech, free expression. 364 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: Do you sort of agree with that assessment. 365 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I guess part of me thinks too, it's like this 366 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: Trump derangement syndrome that you know, previously smart people are 367 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: now blinded to any sort of objectivity. But you know what, 368 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: do you think sort of that source of why the 369 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: experts continue to just be so blatantly wrong. 370 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: I think that's such a good question. 371 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: And for one, I read everything to David Santsili, so 372 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: I think he's so smart. But he also just has 373 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: such a long view of these cultural conversations that I 374 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: think are so important. This reminds me a lot of 375 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: a conversation that we've been having, you know, particularly with 376 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 4: media for the last week, with pulling about fourth of July, 377 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: showing that people no longer are as proud to be Americans. 378 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: And to me, that goes back to the university system, 379 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 4: and it goes back to the education system, that is, 380 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 4: you know, convincing young people that America is a problem 381 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 4: that we need to sort of put our you know, 382 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: the ugliest parts of our history to the forefront when 383 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 4: we educate kids and then are surprised that more people 384 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 4: aren't proud to be Americans. And I think with Trump too, 385 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: when your north star is criticizing an individual, it gets 386 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: impossible to see the forest for the trees. And that's 387 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: what we've seen both, you know, from kids coming out 388 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: of school, academia, Hollywood. 389 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: If your north star is this guy is bad. 390 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 4: I mean, some of the things we've seen from Democrats 391 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 4: the last six months just knee jerk reaction to anything 392 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: Trump does puts them in some pretty bizarre positions. And 393 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: I think, you know, a version of this is the 394 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: Abrago Garcia conversation. The fact that you had Democrats, you know, 395 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 4: flying Tel Salvador to have margaritas with a guy who 396 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 4: is a serial wife abuser, likely involved in human traffick, 397 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 4: likely involved in gangland murders, doing this just because they 398 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 4: needed to oppose Trump. And that has trickled down to 399 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 4: such a huge part of our society that view the 400 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: urgency of opposing anything Trump does as more important than 401 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: being right, being you know, having good sound policy and 402 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: ideas about our country or history anything like that. 403 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: And it really does worry. 404 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 4: Mean, I think it's a huge problem, and I think 405 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 4: Victor nails it when he talks about what this means 406 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: for you know, free expression and the future of our society. 407 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: But you've got to have more people like Victor, Davis, Hanson, 408 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 4: Elon Musk others who are creating those universes where it's 409 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 4: okay to say what you believe, it's okay to push back, 410 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 4: you can be comfortable, you know, going against the grain 411 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 4: with what pop culture and everybody else is saying about things. 412 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: You know, the Brego Garcia situation is wild to me 413 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: that they decided to to, you know, go full throttle 414 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: for a marilynd Man from a Salvador who you know, 415 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: we at least who has been alleged by the federal 416 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: government of being a human smuggler, among other things. 417 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: It's did not have that my bano card quick break, 418 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: stay with us. 419 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: Do you think, you know Elon wanting to launch this 420 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: new party, the America Party. He says that it's going 421 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: to be pro gun, pro bitcoin, pro free speech, et cetera, 422 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, a lot of those issues are 423 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, issues that our voters care about, that Republicans 424 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: care about. You know, we're already looking at a midterm 425 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: where traditionally the party in charge, or historically the party 426 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: in charge loses seats. We don't have a lot of 427 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: seats to lose, particularly in the House. You know, how 428 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: will this formation of a new party impact us in 429 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: the midterms, which historically could already be tough for us. 430 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: You know, I am somebody who actually likes Elon. I 431 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: have a lot of association for. 432 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: The con stations he started, whether it's doze and actually, 433 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 4: you know, pulling back the layers to understand the terrible 434 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 4: things our government's funding. I think the work he did 435 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: on that is critical. People will say, oh, he didn't 436 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: cut enough, or the top line numbers weren't enough. He 437 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 4: started a conversation that was really really important that will 438 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: be carried out for years. 439 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: But also free speech. 440 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 4: What he's done with Twitter and making it a platform 441 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: where people could actually, you know, talk and have conversations. 442 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 4: Obviously there's conversations about the technical side of it, but 443 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 4: I think pushing back a big tech is critical. So again, 444 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 4: I appreciate so much of what he's done. I also 445 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 4: understand his frustration with the two party system. I feel 446 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 4: that way constantly. But I think what he's going to 447 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: find here is creating a third party that is disproportionately 448 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: conservative is only going to help the people that want 449 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: to throw him in jail, the people that want to 450 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: investigate him and his companies, the people that cheered for 451 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 4: the failure of his stock prices, and the people who 452 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: firebombed his dealerships, because they will be the beneficiaries when 453 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 4: he splinters a party that overwhelming he agrees with. And 454 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: I think that's the challenge here there's not an actual 455 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: constituency that supports all of his exact priorities to a t. 456 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: It's always going to be broken up, and right now 457 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: those break broken up parts are going to fall between 458 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: one party or the other. And unless Democrats also had 459 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: multiple parties of their own, different fractions of liberals and 460 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: we have the sort of European you know, four or 461 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: five party system where you build coalitions, Elon's is just 462 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: going to create a Democrat supermajority. 463 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: And I think that he's probably going. 464 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: To change course on this before he gets too far 465 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 4: down the road as he considers what empowering that other 466 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: side might do. I do hope that like he's able 467 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 4: to course correct and see the challenges here before the 468 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: sort of back and forth with President Trump gets too far, 469 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 4: because I think that can you know, really ebb and flow, 470 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: and it seems to be more on the side of 471 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: like getting ugly again, which you know isn't really help 472 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: of anyone. Again, Like, the other good thing that Elon 473 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 4: did for us that I should have included is his 474 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: financial support and organizing did have a huge role in 475 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: us winning the majorities that we have in President Trump 476 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: winning and I think it's going to counter all of 477 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 4: that almost immediately to do this third party thing and 478 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 4: help Democrats. 479 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just I worry that sometimes when things enter into 480 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: like the personal element that you know, then you sort 481 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: of lose sight of oh, yeah, well we have all 482 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: these things in common, because then it's just like, you know, 483 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't like this guy, and now we're at war 484 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: type mentality exactly. 485 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: That's a huge risk. 486 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do worry about that a bit. 487 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see, you know, heading into the midterms, 488 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, how are you feeling about where 489 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: Republicans stand right now? I mean, we're I know, we're 490 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: pretty far out, so you know, obviously anything can happen 491 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: in politics this far out, But how do you sort 492 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: of assess the lay of the land today? 493 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: Totally? That's a really good question. 494 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: So I do think that one my most fundamental take 495 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: is this is not twenty seventeen and twenty eight In 496 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 4: twenty seven eighteen, when you consider where President Trump was 497 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 4: right now, there was the massive Muller Report investigation. Democrats 498 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 4: were the protests that we've seen, the like no King's 499 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: Day nonsense, things like that. They do not have a 500 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: fraction of the same energy and uniformity that we saw 501 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: with like Women's March and the Resistance in twenty seveneen 502 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: and twenty eighteen. And part of it is the fact 503 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 4: that the protests we're seeing now are primarily dark money, 504 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: you know, pop up group driven exercises. I do think 505 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: that there's a lot of people who are true opponents 506 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 4: of President Trump who show up to these, but the 507 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: energy is not the same, and that's what we're seeing 508 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 4: in polls. 509 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: President Trump, his. 510 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 4: Approval rating and his current political situation is night and 511 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: day different than it was in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. 512 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 3: And the wins that he's putting on the. 513 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: Board right now, I think are the kind of things 514 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: that could potentially drive the historic shift that you would 515 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: need for Republicans to overperform in twenty twenty six. And 516 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 4: I also just think Republican are really benefiting from the 517 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: Democrats total, total, total lack of. 518 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 3: Identity and their own civil war. 519 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: And I think that, like there's an Axios article today 520 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 4: on Monday about Democrats under pressure from their base to 521 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 4: commit violence or to be shot, trying to disrupt and 522 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: ice rate things like that Democrats have totally lost it 523 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 4: and I think that as they continue to have that 524 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 4: sort of civil war fallout, it's going to be hard 525 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 4: for them to sort of mobilize in the way to 526 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 4: really capitalize in twenty twenty six. And when you look 527 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 4: at who their current standard bearers are, you've got polls 528 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: that show people like AOC, people like Jasmine Crockett, And 529 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 4: as those people get more and more attention, Republicans start 530 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 4: to look pretty good again. Even if you were starting 531 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: to think, Okay, maybe for these midterms, I'm gonna go 532 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 4: with the other guys. So I do think we're also 533 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: seeing that pop up in primaries. Democrat primaries are insane. 534 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 4: I look at, for example, you know Zoab the destroyer 535 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: in New York that he's gonna have both in the midterms. 536 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 4: But even before that, look at the New Jersey governor's race. 537 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: That's one that I'm keeping a close eye on just 538 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: to see the impact because you have a lot of 539 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 4: people who vote in New Jersey and work in New 540 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: York and are gonna be seeing this for several months now. 541 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: So I do think that we're benefiting from a political 542 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: climate that is much more favorable to us than it 543 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: was at this time in President Trump's first term. But 544 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: you still can't take anything for granted. That's why I 545 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 4: am so hyper focused on Republicans getting out, making the 546 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 4: case of the big beautiful bill, finding the positives for people, 547 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 4: dispelling the negatives, and doing what you were saying about 548 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: President Trump going on offense, not taking the crap for 549 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: media that often, you know, sets in these narratives of 550 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 4: you know, total dishonest coverage about bills, things, we're doing 551 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 4: stuff like that. 552 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: No, I agree, I worry about that in New York. 553 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: I just spent a lot of time here, and I 554 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: don't know's I do too. 555 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 4: I think that we're we can't get too ahead of 556 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: our skis thinking this is going to help us, because, 557 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: for one, unless something crazy happens, that lunatic is going 558 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 4: to be the next mayor of New York City and 559 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: there's a lot of damage that he can do. Republicans 560 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: might feel good about being able to sort of run 561 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 4: against that and capitalize on it, but the damage that 562 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 4: will come from that will still be catastrophics. I don't 563 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 4: think anyone should really be celebrating from either side on that. 564 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, but the sad thing is is 565 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: the problem is you know, Cuomo, Adams, and Curtis Slowa. 566 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: Sliwa Slowa, I'm saying it's the last name wrong. I 567 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: think I think you're right with Slila Sleiwa. 568 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're splitting the non Zoron vote, and so the 569 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: challenges If it was just Doron versus like, you know, 570 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Cuomo or versus Adams, he'd probably lose. But you know, 571 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: you've got three other people sort of splitting like the 572 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: somewhat normal vote in the city. 573 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 3: Well, and that's why you look at like Bill Ackman. 574 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 4: He had that really long thread about how he was 575 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 4: in people, he's so thoughtful, and his take was after 576 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 4: meeting with Cuomo and he wanted Cuomo. 577 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: To drop out because he didn't have the energy. 578 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 4: But then there was pulling a few days later that 579 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 4: showed that Adam's unfavorability was so high that there was 580 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: very little path for him even in a one on 581 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 4: one against Zorn. So I think whatever is going to 582 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: happen needs to happen fairly soon, because if all those 583 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: guys get in this race out of their own pride, 584 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: they're going to pave the way for Zoron even more 585 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: than it needs to be. So I think You're right 586 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 4: that splitting is a huge concern, and I don't know 587 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 4: who has this sort of you know, clout to come 588 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 4: in and say, okay, guys, sit down here, when of 589 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: you's got to get out. The tough thing is like, 590 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: it's not going to be President Trump because even though 591 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: Adams and Sliewa might listen to him, Cuomo won't, you know. 592 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 4: And so I don't know who can broke or that, 593 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 4: but something needs to shift. 594 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: Well, then you've got all the egos and politics. 595 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: I had the same thought process that oh, Cuomo and 596 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: Curtis should drop out, and then but then I saw 597 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: the same poll you did, and I was like, oh, man, 598 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: Eric Adams. 599 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: Is really unpopular. 600 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, well you know, we'll be looking for all 601 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: these things moving forward politically. But Matt, great to having 602 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: the show, my friend. Appreciate you sharing your insight and 603 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: your time with us today. 604 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Thank you for your work. 605 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 4: You put together such a good show and I know 606 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: you hustle to get the facts right and it is 607 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: very much appreciated. 608 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: You're fantastic. 609 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: Thank you well, so were you. Take care Matt, appreciate you. 610 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: You too, Thanks so much. 611 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: That was Matt Whitlock. 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