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Speaker 1: get it done when it matters, you have to have

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00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 1: multiple guys. And so it's a feeding frenzy on those

428
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 1: pass rushers. And it'll be interesting to see what position

429
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 1: drops because people are gonna go hard after the pass rushing. No. Yeah,

430
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,199
Speaker 1: I don't have any doubt whatsoever. These pass rushers are

431
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 1: all gonna fly off the board. And I think you're

432
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna look at the offensive tackles which we're gonna We're

433
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna take one of these episodes as we lead up

434
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 1: to the combine and just kind of dig in on

435
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: these positions. So we'll get to offensive line, we'll get

436
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 1: to all this other stuff. I think, uh, you probably

437
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: see a good number of offensive linemen and corners. I

438
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: think that's what this draft is. I think you're gonna

439
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: see and I think what happens, you know, what position

440
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,360
Speaker 1: gets pushed back back? The position we talked about every

441
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: year whiteouts. You're gonna see these whiteouts who are really

442
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 1: good players, but they're gonna get punished because there's so

443
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 1: many of them. There's so many, it was it was

444
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: so hard to rank five because it depends on going

445
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 1: to the ice cream shop and what flavor doing, Like

446
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: do I want the big body guys like Greg London

447
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 1: and Traylon Burns. Do I want to speed guys that

448
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 1: can make things happen like fans take it. There's so

449
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: many flavors and playmakers. It'd be interesting. So he had

450
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,159
Speaker 1: to check up. All right, So let me give you

451
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: some more names here, just to kind of finish up

452
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: this edge conversation. So in my top fifty go on

453
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about was Ebba Katie from Penn State.

454
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: He and uh, he had he was okay during the

455
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 1: Senior boy, I was hoping maybe be a little bit

456
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: more dominant, but he's he's long, he's a leverage rusher.

457
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 1: He's a good player. But since the Senior Bowl mat

458
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm just powering through all this tape.

459
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: Um and a couple of these guys were at the

460
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and I've since had a chance to really

461
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: dig into their tape. So these are highly grated guys

462
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to mix into my top fifty. They're

463
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: they're in the mix there. Uh boy a mafe from

464
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: from Minnesota who was hell on wheels in the game.

465
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: We talked about, Yeah, he's gonna test like a freak.

466
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: He's he's six three and a half two or fifty

467
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: five pounds, really explosive. The next one who was added

468
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, Um, who I think you might

469
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: have seen at the p A before he got the

470
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: battlefield promotion there later in the week, which was Sam

471
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: Williams from from Old miss I gave him a six

472
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: five D like, which is which those guys can have

473
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: gone in the first round with that grade, Like that's

474
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick for sure. He's got the off

475
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: the field stuff. The teams are gonna have to sort through.

476
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: But if you're just talking about talent and ability, this

477
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 1: dude has got juice. He can bend at the top

478
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: of his rush. Man big time. I want to say,

479
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: a double d sack at Old and a half four

480
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: force bumbles coming off the edge. I mean, freak show

481
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: coming off his ability. That that dipping rip move that

482
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: he has where he just kind of bends in birth.

483
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: He he's stolen that pressing really good players because he

484
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: gets to the quarterback effectively off of that. And you're right, man,

485
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: he was a man amongst boys against the competition at

486
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: the p a Ble. So then when you go back

487
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: and watch him at the Old missis like, hey, man,

488
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: this guy has a lot of stuff. So if you

489
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: can sort out the other stuff on the field, he

490
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: certainly is worthy of being in that conversation at the

491
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: topic to play another guy who's gonna be kind of

492
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: a stand up rushing and can play off the ball

493
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: who I put a good grade on it is Nick

494
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: Benito from Oklahoma, who man, he's and this is not

495
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: you don't draft somebody off this this particular for this

496
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: particular reason. But Buck, he's as good as spine quarterbacks

497
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: and I've ever seen. They'll line him up on the edge.

498
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: They'll let him slough off to the middle of the

499
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: field and he just waits and the quarterback goes and

500
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: then boom, he can he can shoot his gun man.

501
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: He is explosive. Now he's listed um again estimates, right,

502
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: that's why we want to get to the combine. He's

503
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: listed at six three even to forty even. We'll see

504
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: how big he is. Now. If he's six to twenty five, well,

505
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna play off the ball. I don't know exactly

506
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: what I do with him. I think he can't play

507
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: off the ball, but he can rush um off the edge.

508
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, is it young MC? Because I

509
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: keep thinking every time I look at my list and

510
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: I see his name, I think Nick Benito rolled to

511
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: the church in my new tuxedo. Was that like bus

512
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: to move or something like that? Is that that? Yeah?

513
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: That's funny? Uh? But he's he's and then I've got

514
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: right next to him again. We talk about traveling partners, right,

515
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: you kind of let these guys travel together, then you

516
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: will sort him out. D'Angelo Malone, who goes to the

517
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: Senior both from Western Kentucky. He's six oh three too,

518
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: so a little over six three two thirty four pounds,

519
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: which is crazy light, right for somebody's coming off the edge.

520
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: But man, he was bowling people. He's got big time burst,

521
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: you know. You know, Okay, I don't know exactly what

522
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: to do with him. Be guy's a good football player,

523
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: but so I put him in Benito next to each other.

524
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let them travel together. Cameron Thomas from San

525
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: Diego State was an acquired taste for me. When I

526
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: first watched him, I was like, Okay, doesn't have big

527
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: time juice, doesn't have big time power, but Buck, he's

528
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: so good with his hands. And you talk about other

529
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: guys needing ways to get to the quarterback, this guy's

530
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: got every trick in the bag, you know. And they

531
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: and they align him kind of in a tight alignment.

532
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: I think he'll loosen him up a little bit and

533
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: you'll see even a little bit more from him. But

534
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: he's he was, He's some of those guys just the

535
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: more you watch him, you start to appreciate him a

536
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: little bit more. Man, It's funny how that how that works. Right.

537
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: So the first part of what we're doing is and

538
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: getting ready for the comment. We're talking about being able

539
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: to play the hits right. You want to get through,

540
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: you want to get through the catalog and nange. You

541
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: want to make sure you get the top guys done.

542
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: Like if we were breaking is down, people will always

543
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: hear this. Um, you know, some guys have a hundred

544
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 1: people on the board, some have some have one fifty.

545
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: What you're trying to do is you're trying to whiddle

546
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: the list down to Okay, who are the guys that

547
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: come and sit up? And then from there I think

548
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: you've used the analogy. Hey, I'm trying to get him

549
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: in the right neighborhood and then eventually I'll place him

550
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: in the right house. That's where we are. And so

551
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to take these names so people will take

552
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: these listens. Hey, what about what about this? What you're

553
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: trying to do is sometimes you put a card up

554
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: on the board to give it a little exposure, so

555
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: you make sure that you're scout. Hey, let's make sure

556
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: we keep eye on caam. Wait. Hey, let's let's make

557
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: sure we look at boy my face. Let's let's make

558
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: sure we get a good look at them, and then

559
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: will we'll put them whether it but we got to

560
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: keep him up there so we can have that conversation

561
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: about that, which is also what I know you do

562
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: with the top fifty. Sometimes you put guys in there

563
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: because you want the name to be seen and you

564
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: want to have the conversation and then eventually will whittle

565
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: it and whittle it down and determine whether he deserves

566
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: to stay up there or not. I don't know what

567
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: the what the proper kitchen term is, but what is it? Like,

568
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: it's not a strainer or whatever. You put the stuff

569
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: in there, and it was sift, it sifts through whatever.

570
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: That that's what I'm doing that. I'm just trying a strainer. Yeah,

571
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to catch the catch the right guys.

572
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: And then I put him in. I put him like

573
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you said, I use the term, you know, put him

574
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, the house. I'll talk about guys are

575
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: going to travel together. Um, but that's kind of what

576
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Let me give you a couple more names

577
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: of guys that had kind of above the line who

578
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, to me, these guys are potential you know,

579
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: top or second day picks, so like second third round,

580
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: like they have that they're they're alive from me Um

581
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: Josh Pascal from Kentucky who reminds me a little bit

582
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: of Boogie Basham was a good player. Dominique Robinson from Miami, Ohio.

583
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: Uh Meyer and Tago Tagoloa Amosa from Notre Dame is

584
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: somebody I really liked. He's one of those again leverage

585
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: rushers six two two sixty two. Did you see him

586
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: in a game set? One of you thinks, I think

587
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: it's in the East. One of the best guys there.

588
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: Hot motor, leverage man. Yeah and play yeah, real real

589
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: physical dominated the point of the tale. Yet a couple

590
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: more here, Michael Clemens, these guys, this is a group

591
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I've got traveling together. I've got Michael Clements from A

592
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: and M. I've got Kingsley n Barre who had a

593
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: great week, quiet game but a great week at Senior Bowl.

594
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: My j Sanders, who travels with those guys. To me,

595
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I just want to see him be a little bit stronger.

596
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's interesting one. Maybe some others a

597
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: little higher on him. But those guys that have traveling

598
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: together as well, So that's a that's a little look

599
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: there at the edge rushers. I know we probably went

600
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit longer than wanted too there, But man,

601
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: it's this is the fun part, right, You get to

602
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: watch him now. It's like, yeah, let's let's debate, let's

603
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: talk about him, Let's let's see who's with each other,

604
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: and let's sort this up howt as we go on? Yeah, No,

605
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the part of it. Like, and

606
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: here's what guys are doing in preparation for the combine.

607
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: Teams are in their meetings and they're beginning to get

608
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: the initial look. Sometimes those meetings, maybe hey, let's just

609
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: read through all the character with the coach here, but

610
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about the player because you

611
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: don't want to change the mind of the coaches. So

612
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: you may be give the background perspectives whatever other um

613
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: teams like when I was in Seattle, in Green Bay

614
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: and those things. They're going through every prospect on the

615
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: board right now, everyone who had a droppable grade. They're

616
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: sitting in the meetings, they're watching a couple of snapshots

617
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: or two or three games, and they're re ranking the

618
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: board and they're setting the board before they go to

619
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the combine because they want to they want to avoid

620
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: being overly influenced by what takes place in the shop.

621
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: It's the term is anchor, right, you want to anchor

622
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: your board, and so then off that anchor you can

623
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: move a little bit, but you're tethered to that, to

624
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: that spots you're not going from the sixth round of

625
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the first round or vice first. Yeah, you want to

626
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: put them in there with it within reason, and so

627
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: what what they're doing to everyone. They're having conversations like

628
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: you and I having conversations about whether we want to

629
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: kind of time to the board. So yes, they may

630
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: move a little bit over the course of the spring,

631
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: but we want to kind of get them into general

632
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: range and DJ as you know, like we would have

633
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: guys take pictures of the board so we wouldn't have

634
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: these wide variances when we came back because as you

635
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: alluded to, I don't want to see a guy that's

636
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: in the sixth round all of a sudden when we

637
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: come back for those final meetings he's now a second

638
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: round player. Like you want to make sure that a

639
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: we great him off the tape. We don't want to

640
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: be over the impact about how they looked out. Yeah,

641
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: I would just add that there's a lot of information

642
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: gathered from the end of the season until we get there,

643
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: and so I think, and sometimes I'll get some blowback

644
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: on this, which I really don't care, but I'm sure

645
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: teams um have the similar discussions, which is how did

646
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: this guy go from A to Z? And you can say, well,

647
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: first of all, let's start with the fact that we

648
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: found out through our medical this kid had a high

649
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: ankle spring they played with the first six weeks of

650
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: the season, which we did not have that information. So

651
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: that forced us to go back and watch him the

652
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: year before, where he was a totally different player. We

653
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: had him listed at at you know, six to two

654
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: fifty five pounds. He showed up at six three and

655
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: a half and he's to seventy, like you know what

656
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean. Then we interviewed the kid. He's off the

657
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: charts with his football intelligence and all that stuff. So

658
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: there's information that you pick up and the teams are

659
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: picking up that is going to cause these guys to move.

660
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about anchoring, but look, as you

661
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: learn more, you're gonna have movement. That's how it works,

662
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: and it's a very fluids situation. That's why all of

663
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: the ankst over initial grades and top five list and

664
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: big boards. Draft is at the end of April. Buck

665
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: the job. The job is to get it right by drafted.

666
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: And that's what every gentlem managed says. The goal is

667
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: to get it right on draft. And so we need

668
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: to have these conversations in debates to be able to

669
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: understand how to get people in the right spot based

670
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: on what we view them and what we expect from

671
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: them as pros. Yep. Think about you're in a van

672
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and you've piled in about ten people into that van,

673
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: and then at the end, by the time we get

674
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: to the April, you're like, okay, these four people got

675
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: to go out and we picked up one person. We

676
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: swung by, picked up person, put him in there. That's

677
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of how you're doing these lists.

678
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: All right, give me your defensive tackles one through five.

679
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: You go one to let's go Jordan Davis from Georgia,

680
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the the Marvin Leo from Texas and m Logan Hall

681
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: from Houston, Davante White from Georgia, and then I put

682
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Travis Jones from Connecticut at that five. Start. All right,

683
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: give me a little bit of something on why you

684
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: why you like those guys. Okay, So Jordye Davis is interesting. Like,

685
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, DJA polarizing, by the way, when

686
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you start talking to everybody, very polarizing. As much as

687
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: I may like him, I like the size, and I

688
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: like the thought of having the big plugger in the

689
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: middle of the defense, the conversation that I have to

690
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: have is how often are we going to use them

691
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: to warrant him being a top pick or that. Because

692
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: you can't brush the pastor you can't impact the passing game,

693
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to justify taking someone high. It's also hard

694
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: to justify putting them on the field. And so right

695
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: now he says, in the one hole, but I don't

696
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: know if he's ever gonna be able to stay there

697
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: because he can't impact the passing game and it's a

698
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: passing lead, and so he's polarizing because of that and

699
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: some other stuff. You know, give me, give me the

700
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: rest of those guys, and give me your thoughts. Uh.

701
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: You know, like the Marvin Leal to me, he was

702
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: really active. I like the athleticism. I like the playmaking,

703
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: potentially playment compotencally brings his table to me, he's really

704
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: really intriguing. I think he is one of those natural

705
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: antide guys that might surprise us at the next level,

706
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: just in terms of how he's able to function and

707
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: create quarterback pressures. The last guy was do I say

708
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: why from Georgia? Man? When you see them and one

709
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, do you? I'm not envious of the guys

710
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: who had to scout the Southeast. I don't know how

711
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: many days you dedicate to Georgia. I don't even know. Like,

712
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know when you go to the school,

713
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I think you probably need to deaths because you've got

714
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: the big sheet of paper with all your defensive guys

715
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: out there, and the way that you do it with

716
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: all the little boxes, and you got your d line

717
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: and they have so many guys. I think you have

718
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: to have two deaths. I think you have to sit

719
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: in the middle and go back and forth. Like I mean,

720
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: there are a ton of guys, but why why? It

721
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: is really impressive. So you think about why it and

722
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: the linebackers and all that. He's a really impressive guy.

723
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: He has some motor, he has some stuff, some toughness

724
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: to him that the life. All right, let me go

725
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: through a couple of uh. Jordan Davis I'm with you. Uh.

726
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: On my first list, I had Jordan Davis as my

727
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: top guy. He's listened at six six, three forty. He's

728
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: he's a massive human being. Uh, dominant against the run,

729
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: more pocket push. He flashes a little quickness. I was

730
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: told he hit he's hit twenty on the GPS, which

731
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: is insane to me. Uh twenty, So we'll see and

732
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: that that we'll see at the comment. I think he's

733
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna probably test better than a lot of folks anticipate.

734
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: The question is how big is the tank? Um? Because

735
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: and that that was that was the thing against Alabama

736
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: in the first meeting. They went, they went hurry up,

737
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: they kept him on the field, that gassed him out

738
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: and and uh so, how how long can you go?

739
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: And I was talking with the GM about this the

740
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: other day, and we were talking not about him, but

741
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: in defensive tackles in general and the obsession with inside

742
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: pass rush that exists around the league. Okay, which is why,

743
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 1: by the way, Davante Wyatt push, I'm gonna push him

744
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: way up. Uh. Seeing him in person, I had heard

745
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: he was pretty dynamic and explosive. And they have so

746
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: many guys that Georgia and gets a little bit lost

747
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: in the shuffle. I won't be shocked if he gets

748
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: picked ahead of Jordan Davis. That dude's got big time,

749
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: big time juice and athleticism. But so the conversation was,

750
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: I need inside pass rushing, and I said, well, I

751
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: still think there's value in pocket push, right, so I

752
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: can be a dominant run defender and I can collapse

753
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: the pocket. He brought up a good point, which was, yeah,

754
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: but it better be something where he is explosive in

755
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: the pocket push is now, because every quarterback in the

756
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: league is fine with their center getting slowly walked back.

757
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: The ball's gone even though you're getting push. If it's not,

758
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: if it's not sudden and explosive and immediate pocket push,

759
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: their fine. The offense is fine with that. Okay, that's fine.

760
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: We'll give a little ground, but it's not an immediate,

761
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, knockback. That's That's something I think with Jordan Davis.

762
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: That is when I get back and go back through again,

763
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really lock in and focus on that because

764
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I gave him a lot of credit for you might

765
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: not get sacks, but he's dominant against a run. He's

766
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: gonna collapse the pocket. Well, now I need to go

767
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: back with that thought in my mind. Is this immediate

768
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: or is this a slow slow burn? So to you know,

769
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a good observation, and it is one

770
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: of those things that you have to worry about because

771
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: the pressure that you want for most of these quarterbacks

772
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: is right up the gut so they can see it

773
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: and still. But if it's slow, it's like that the

774
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: be like like that doesn't get it done. It needs

775
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: to be right now. Um. Why immediate pressure is problematic

776
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: because we've seen what it can cause and what it

777
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: can create when guys are able to get home right

778
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: in the a gaps that little spot between the center

779
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: and the guard. Um. Yeah, So it's like it's it's interesting.

780
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: I want a guy that can create chaoster the point

781
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: of attack. Yeah, I think, why if I'm buying stock,

782
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: if any of these guys I'm buying Wyatt Stock, Um,

783
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: that's going to continue to soar. He's probably gonna test

784
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: like a freak to uh to Marven Leel from A

785
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and M. I had him as my fourth guy. It's funny.

786
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: This is the conversation I was having with the gm

787
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: U gosh, A couple of weeks back before I did

788
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: my list, and um, I had seen some of the

789
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: stuff that had come out, and you know in the

790
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: media that the Mark Marvin Lee I was going like

791
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: in the top ten, like top fifteen, like he was

792
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: going way up there. So it's all my minds, my perspective, right,

793
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: And so I watched him and I'm like, I didn't

794
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: really see that. I like him. He's a good player,

795
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: he's kind of got some inside outside versatility, a little

796
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: bit between her. Um, but there's a lot to work with.

797
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to to a GM and I'm like, yeah,

798
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: this man, this hype on this A and M kid,

799
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit beyond what I'm comfortable with.

800
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, I really like him. I'm like, oh,

801
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, I like him. And he was just like

802
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: he's like, no, he can do this, this and this.

803
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, but he can't do that. He goes, no, No,

804
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I agree, he can't do this. So I'm going through

805
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: this whole thing. He likes him. I'm skeptical. He's telling

806
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: me all these things. I agree with him. I'm telling

807
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: them these things he agrees, and I go, where do

808
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna go. He goes, oh, you're go

809
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: in the second round, and I go, yeah, we're saying

810
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. It's just that you haven't been

811
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: sullied by seeing some stuff out there in the in

812
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: the media that says he's a top ten, top fifteen pick,

813
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: and he's saying, yeah, we're both seeing the same exact thing.

814
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: It's just whatever you're expectation was going into it. Okay.

815
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: So here's the other thing that factors into that. Like DJ,

816
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: we've talked about the meat and potatoes of this draft

817
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: that picks fifteen to five. So what happened when you

818
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: have the Marvin Leale is, Hey, some guys like him

819
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: closer to forty five. Maybe there's one or two guys

820
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: that like him closer to fifteen, and so that why variants.

821
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna make it interested on draft night, because what's

822
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen. We're gonna have mics in our face and

823
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: they be like, couldn't that select the marvel that what

824
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: where is that? It's gonna be crazy because a lot

825
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: of these guys we talked about that second round conversation, Uh,

826
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: the greatest gial we will use like anywhere six plas

827
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: six nine seven. Oh, you're right at that line. Who's

828
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: the buzzer line, who's the load of line? Where do

829
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: you fall? What do you fit? No doubt? Um, so

830
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of going through these Uh Fiderian mathis from Alabama.

831
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I had him. I had him as we had talked

832
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: about previously traveling with why why it eclipsed him from

833
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: their time together at the Senior Bowl, So that'll flip.

834
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm a Logan Hall guy. I love what he brings

835
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: to the table. Um. He's another one of those some

836
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: people might look at him as a tweeterer. But if

837
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: you're in sub sevent of the time with that dude

838
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: in a three technique and let him go, um, he's

839
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: going to create havoc in there. Yeah, I mean, I

840
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: think that's the thing. Guy plays hard as ability to

841
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: work on the edges gives you the pass stuff that

842
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: you want. It's uh, you know, and that's the other

843
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: thing that we have to account for. The league is

844
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: so much of a package league now, you know, it's

845
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: about how many different sub packages can you have? Can

846
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: you have your too four five defense where you get

847
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: two d linement four linebackers. Can you go to a

848
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: three three stack. Can you do a bunch of different things,

849
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: and so there are a bunch of different ways to

850
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: get these pass rushers on the field. Creativity, uh is

851
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: needed and it's one of those things that you have

852
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: to consider when you doing the evaluation. All Right, I'm

853
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: gonna rip through a couple more names here. Uh. Travis

854
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Jones you mentioned from Yukon was phenomenally the Senior Bowl.

855
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: I think he does have somebody that that's a pocket

856
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: collapse or I think he is sudden. I think he

857
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: does get some of that immediate push. Um, he's not

858
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: getting out of the second round. There's zero chance. He's

859
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: club probably got a better chance of going in the

860
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: first round than does go in the third round. So

861
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna go in round two. Um, I've got Perry

862
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: Winfrey right there with him. Had a phenomenal Senior Bowl week.

863
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: He's almost six four three three pounds the tape when

864
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I when I did the Senior Bowl first, then did

865
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: the tape after the tape in the fall, that not

866
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: match like. He wasn't as dynamic, but they do a

867
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of slanting. He's playing a lot Laterally. He didn't

868
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: get a chance to get up the field quite as much. Um,

869
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: so he's an interesting one. Here's some guys I've got

870
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: riding together. I've got Zachary Carter from Florida who had

871
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: had a solid senior Bowl. Um. I've got Khalia Davis

872
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: from UCF who's intriguing player. Um, a little bit, a

873
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: little bit short, but uh he's got some athleticism. And

874
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: then Agbania from uh uh from u C l A.

875
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: He was a senior Bowl guy. I've got all three

876
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: of those guys great similarly they're writing together. And then

877
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: a list of other guys in this next clump here

878
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: Buck Thomas Booker from Stanford. Uh. Matthew Butler from Tennessee

879
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: is interesting. I think he was at one of your games,

880
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: was Matthew Butler from Tennessee, maybe at the East West.

881
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I think I think both of those guys there, like

882
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: Thomas Booker for sures here, both of those guys were

883
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: and attendant. Thomas Booker was terrific at a point of attack. Yeah.

884
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: This guys like that puts in like fourth round. Uh.

885
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: Noah Ellis, which, by the way, I think we have

886
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: a somebody from the Ellis family every year from Idaho.

887
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I think since we were scouting they've always had in Ellis,

888
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: which which is the E L L I S S

889
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: H spelling of the last name. I haven't gone downe

890
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: my homework yet to see how he's related to all

891
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: these dudes, but I promise he is. Um. He's a

892
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: big old, big old horse down there is a nose. Um.

893
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of some of those guys Neil Ferrell,

894
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: Jaden Pebe from A and m uh, that's that's kind

895
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: of that above the line group that we've got there.

896
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a better edge rusher group than a

897
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: d tackle group. Uh. Yeah, I would agree with that.

898
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: I agree that, And I believe our session with pass

899
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: rushing uh on the fits and I think it's the

900
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: perfect time now. I think you need to go after

901
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: your pass rushers early. Um, because I like the explosive

902
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: high stack guys. I believe it's a terrific class defensive tackle.

903
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a weird spot anyway, because if you

904
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: don't have the pass rusher, you guys on the interior,

905
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: and I gonna value them as much. And so yeah, great,

906
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: it's great. Stop in the run. I'm still a proponent

907
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: to stop in the run. I don't know if in

908
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: building my team, though, I'm invested in significant capital early

909
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: for a run stopper at the point of attack. Yeah,

910
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: there was one other name I was going to mention here.

911
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a Zareki e Oma, I guess from

912
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Iowa State. He was at the East West so and

913
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: he's he's look, he's this is one of those deals

914
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: at the East West. He's six oh five four so

915
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: six five and a half, three nineteen pounds. I think

916
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: he had like nine sacks at Iowa State. So I

917
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: watched him. I was like, this, you don't see that

918
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: combination of production and size and stuff. So I watched him.

919
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he plays really high, but he's got

920
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: some quickness. There's something to him. He's definitely interesting to

921
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: monitor as we go through the process. But I called

922
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: the buddy that was down there at that game all

923
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: week long, and I'm like, how did that Iowa State

924
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: DT do? He's like, he won the way ins, but

925
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: he didn't do much after that. It's like, okay, you know,

926
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: so I'll eventually get to watch the practice tapes. But

927
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: he was another interesting one. No interesting. But even with that,

928
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: DJ like guys who have highway speed guys who looked apart.

929
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we can go through all the rosters in

930
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: the league. The guys that are playing starting came into

931
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: league viewed as those guys that would be interesting. It

932
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: would be nice to keep an eye on him. He

933
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: could be one of those guys that maybe uh gets

934
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: hot late as more people dig in and begin to

935
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: craft a playing how do you allize them? Yeah, again,

936
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm drinking from a fire hose right now, getting all

937
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: these guys watched, and it's again for another analogy, is

938
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: it's a base layer of paint we get on to

939
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: get all these guys seen before the combine and then

940
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: then then it's my favorite part because now I have

941
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: all the numbers, I've got uh my grades, and now

942
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: I can go back through. Let's take a deeper dive

943
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: on these three guys and sort out that little cluster.

944
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big cluster buster year for Path

945
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: of the Draft Buck. It's gonna be crazy. It's been

946
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: crazy a lot of shows, Like from day one. We

947
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: have to start busting clusters so we have enough time

948
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: to get through some of these names, no doubt. All right,

949
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: anything else you want to have before we get out

950
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: of here. This has been I know we went a

951
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: little long, but it was fun jumping into that position. No,

952
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: it's fun and I think, like, obviously everyone understands the

953
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: emphasis Combine is a little over a week away. We

954
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: got some time, but we got to get into these

955
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: prospects because the way they pushed back the calendar the NFL,

956
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: it is a sprint. Man, I lost two weeks. Man Like,

957
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: I normally have another week after the super Bowl to

958
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: get ready for the Combine and then a lot of

959
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: years because the super Bowl is away, I don't have

960
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: to do as much so I can get that. It

961
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: was like, man like, why do I have so many

962
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: thanks guys to watch them? Like, you lost two weeks. Yeah,

963
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: so you gotta catch up and get it. But we'll

964
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: be working hard on names and going through it up

965
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: until the beginning of the combine, trying to make sure

966
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: that you have everybody. You got enough intail on everybody

967
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: feel good about having a conversation about them with anybody.

968
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: That's the trick trick and who's what's what? No doubt.

969
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: All right, brother, this has been fun. It's great to

970
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: be back with you. Have a great call again. The

971
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: HBCU Legacy Bowl Saturday. That's for Eastern on NFL Network.

972
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: You can see Bucky there calling that one. So I

973
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: hope you guys have enjoyed this. We are a NFL

974
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: season is over and now the real season begins. This

975
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: is why you listen to this podcast. Hopefully you enjoy

976
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: this as much as we do. This is our time,

977
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: um and it's gonna be a blast as we head

978
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: towards April. So that's gonna do it for us. Thanks

979
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: to ne Bill for for the excellent job producing. Great

980
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: to be back with Bucky. We'll be back with you

981
00:43:41,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: again here shortly on Move the sticks to want to

982
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: do what you are to do