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Speaker 1: y'all know I keep it a book. The job market

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Speaker 1: That's exactly why I created the Mandy money Makers Group

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Speaker 1: back to yourself. In this community, you'll get group coaching

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Speaker 1: Hey va fam, welcome back to the podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to introduce my guest, and I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: and intelligent and uber talented Rushika T. Malhotra Chica is

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Speaker 1: So y'all may recognize her, recognize her voice, and her work.

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Speaker 1: She's also founded Candor, which is a global inclusive strategy practice,

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Speaker 1: and she's the author of a brand new book that's

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Speaker 1: coming out now. So Ba, fam, we need to go

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Speaker 1: scoop it up. It's called Uncompete, rejecting competition to unlock success.

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Speaker 1: Richica's work has always challenged the deeply ingrained myths that

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Speaker 1: success only comes through relentless competition, and instead Richie is

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Speaker 1: positing that we need to trampient champion a new reset

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Speaker 1: that leans toward collaboration, abundance, and always inclusion because she

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Speaker 1: is the inclusive queen. Welcome Rachica, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Mandy.

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Speaker 2: I love you, I love this show. I will say

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Speaker 2: that you will also be a fam if I can

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Speaker 2: call you that. See Madam Mandy's name in it as well.

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Speaker 2: There's so much evidence of it, Mandy, I mean, think

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Speaker 3: I won't judge you.

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Speaker 2: But I think again that mindset has to be like,

437
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Speaker 2: the right opportunity for me will come for me. It'll

438
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Speaker 2: be at the time that I will you know that

439
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: is important to me, and that will be the right

440
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Speaker 2: time for me, and I think that there is a

441
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Speaker 2: level of practicality that we have to build for, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: and that does mean that this is a time sadly

443
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Speaker 2: where you know, we have to figure.

444
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Speaker 3: Out our finances.

445
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Speaker 2: We have to figure out what are the investments that

446
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Speaker 2: we can make and the ones that we cannot. And

447
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: I think that I think this is, yeah, this is

448
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Speaker 2: the time to like organize and push back again a

449
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Speaker 2: lot of these ways that have kept us scarce. Because

450
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Speaker 2: you and I both know this. It's not that there's

451
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Speaker 2: a scarcity of actual money, right, There's never actually a

452
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Speaker 2: scarcity of actual resources. The scarcity is in pitting us

453
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Speaker 2: against each other and making us fight with each other

454
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Speaker 2: and really continue a long tradition of what you know

455
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Speaker 2: I write about in the book called Divide and Conquer,

456
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Speaker 2: which is when you divide people who have similar interests

457
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Speaker 2: and make them think that there's fewer resources than they're

458
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Speaker 2: easier to control.

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Speaker 1: Heyba, fam, we got to take a quick break, pay

460
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Speaker 1: some bills, and we'll be right back. So when you

461
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Speaker 1: get and I mean, I think it's so relatable that

462
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Speaker 1: I do. When you see someone who you respecting, you

463
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Speaker 1: admire and your friends and they get something and you're like, god, damn,

464
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Speaker 1: I know the feeling nice. Yeah, it's like times like

465
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Speaker 1: that the it can be really challenging to then to

466
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Speaker 1: not then say oh I can I'll just have to

467
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Speaker 1: work harder, be better, push myself something. You know, I

468
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: can do this. You want to fix and you want

469
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Speaker 1: to move forward, and you want to like, how do

470
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Speaker 1: you stop yourself from you know, going down that path, which,

471
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Speaker 1: as you write in your book, can lead to burnout

472
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Speaker 1: and fatigue and anxiety and all these like internal health

473
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Speaker 1: issues that can can really be destructive to us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I really appreciated was looking into

476
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Speaker 2: the research around envy and comparison. I mean, we're social animals.

477
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Speaker 2: We're born to compare ourselves with each other. Literally, that

478
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Speaker 2: is what we are hardwired for. What we are not

479
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: hardwired for, which I was very happy to learn and

480
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: research despite being told this my whole life is that

481
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: like humans are hardwired to compete. That's not true, And

482
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: I kind of push back against that science and narrative

483
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: in the book. But we are hardwired in many ways,

484
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: as you know, social creatures, to like compare ourselves to

485
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: each other. See how you know the other person's doing

486
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: and kind of rank ourselves a little bit and that

487
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Speaker 2: So the research around envy and motivation really gave me

488
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Speaker 2: a lot of Like it just gave me fire in

489
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Speaker 2: my belly to recognize that it's okay to be envious

490
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: of people. It's okay to take that as a signal

491
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: around like is this something or to have that moment

492
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Speaker 2: of intentionality to ask like is this something I really

493
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Speaker 2: really want? And why do I want it? And is

494
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Speaker 2: there a way to talk about or think about this

495
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: person's win as like is there something I could do

496
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Speaker 2: to like fall in love with the process that it

497
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: took for them to get to that position? Right?

498
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Speaker 3: And what is it telling me about what are my

499
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Speaker 3: career goals?

500
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Speaker 2: Because a lot of times the way that envy sort

501
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: of works, especially in our social media world, is oh

502
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: my gosh, like someone got like this award and something

503
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: completely unrelated to like what I do, but I hate

504
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: them now or I feel less than around them, and

505
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: I don't think many of us stop and ask ourselves

506
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: like is that award something that I really want? And

507
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: if I want that award, like what can I do

508
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: to make sure that I'm doing the taking the necessary

509
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: steps and falling in love with that very hard process

510
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: to get to that point. So I think that there

511
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: is some really interesting research around like motivation and envy.

512
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: It's called benign envy, where you can look at someone

513
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Speaker 2: doing something great and kind of motivate yourself to do better,

514
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: rather than malicious envy, which is I want to take

515
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: them down, I want to like disparage them, I want

516
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Speaker 2: to take it away from them. It's not easy to do,

517
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: but as I write, especially towards the end of the book,

518
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: it really helps safeguard you from you know, these really

519
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: like toxic emotions that can lead to burnout and mental

520
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: health issues and anxiety and aggression. You know, I know

521
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Speaker 2: many people I know, including myself, Like there have been

522
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: times in my life where things aren't working out and

523
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: I turned to vices, like I turn to more glasses

524
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: of wine than I need and things like that to

525
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: kind of numb the pain. And I think it's really

526
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Speaker 2: important to understand like where those feelings coming from and

527
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Speaker 2: process them.

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Speaker 1: They're not I mean, there are feelings that you kind

529
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Speaker 1: of grow up, especially if you're in your religion religious householder.

530
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Speaker 1: You're envious one of the how many sins?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the worth sins?

532
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Speaker 1: And we all know that that expression, and it's the

533
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Speaker 1: introduction of your book Comparison, is the thief of joy.

534
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Speaker 1: And they're not nice feelings to have and to admit

535
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Speaker 1: that you have. And I think I know in my practice,

536
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: like I've done so much work just like sitting in

537
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: my feelings instead of trying to numb them like you said,

538
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: and use these unhealthy kilpy mechanisms. And I got to say,

539
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: writing down your feeling and admitting it even to yourself

540
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Speaker 1: like I feel, and like labeling it. I feel envious,

541
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Speaker 1: I feel jealous. And it's a practice but getting to

542
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: a space where you're not judging yourself for that and

543
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: where you don't feel worse because it is a human emotion.

544
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Speaker 1: And then what I'll do is I'll write down the

545
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Speaker 1: feeling and then I have to explain why, and I

546
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Speaker 1: have to say, here's what I'm envious of. And I

547
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Speaker 1: like the idea, like you said, that sort of thought

548
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Speaker 1: exercise of is that something that I actually want? You know,

549
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: is that the thing that's for me? And what typically

550
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: happens if I'm journaling about that is like, but that

551
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Speaker 1: is actually it can't be for me because it was

552
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Speaker 1: for her.

553
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not for me. Something else is for me.

554
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Speaker 1: For me, you know, but in that moment when that

555
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: that emotion kind of seizes you, it's quite it's quite

556
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: like I don't know, not intoxicating, but kind of when

557
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: you're seeing that with that emotion mind, you just kind

558
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: of have to slow down. And for me, writing it

559
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: out as basic as that sound, it's really helpful.

560
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great advice, and it really pairs a lot

561
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: with the actual other research backed way to manage many

562
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 2: of these emotions, which is to write down or speak

563
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: out or have some level of practice which is around gratitude.

564
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: And I have to be careful because look, gratitude has

565
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: been weaponized for women of color, and there's a lot

566
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Speaker 2: of like be grateful even if you're treated like shit

567
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, which is this is not it right,

568
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: But this is saying and the research behind saying like

569
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Speaker 2: slowing down again and saying like, but what are the

570
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: things I do have? Like what are the things that

571
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: do give my life meaning and joy? Like?

572
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: What do I need to do be doing more? Off

573
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: right to.

574
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: Engage in those practices of joy and gratitude? And for me,

575
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: that has been again really powerful and most of the time,

576
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: and again in a capitalistic, hyper capitalistic, in a competitive society,

577
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, then the way I deal with

578
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: it is I should be on like this amazing vacation

579
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: in Italy where I'm drinking wine and whatever it is,

580
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: like so and so, rather than understanding that a lot

581
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: of times the real joy and the real gratitude can

582
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: come from things like can I write about this in

583
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: the book, like middle of the Summer, Peaches in Seattle

584
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: like magic? And I actually would say, like in being

585
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: able to ground yourself in those moments and be really present,

586
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: Like that's how we navigate a lot of these bigger

587
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: That's how we build that reserve inside, how we navigate

588
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: these bigger, huge challenges that we're facing.

589
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Hey, ba, fam, we got to take a quick break,

590
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: pay some bills, and we'll be right back. As I

591
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: was reading the book, and I loved I talked to

592
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: you about this before. I love that you focus on

593
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: rest and taking care of yourself and getting off that

594
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: hamster wheel, but like really doing good things for your body.

595
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: It resonates with me so much because and I haven't

596
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: talked about this on the show, and I might cry

597
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: to try not to please, I have not been able

598
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: to sleep for like six months. I have sleep apnea.

599
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I have I've had this like of this, like really,

600
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, intense anxieties come roaring back, and you know,

601
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Speaker 1: I'm like trying to work my way through it, and

602
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm getting my medical health that I need. But everything

603
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: feels so much harder when you're not in a rested,

604
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: like cared for state. And I just want to talk

605
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: about I want you to talk about that. It's all

606
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: I can shut up and get out of my emotions

607
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: for a second. But how much easier it is to

608
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: live these values and to like think this way when

609
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: we're actually like okay and taking care of ourselves to

610
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: start with, how much harder it is when we're not

611
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: able to It's it sucks. I have no other way

612
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: of saying it.

613
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, and I feel it in my body.

614
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean, items sleep well for years on end and

615
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: got the help I needed and in mostly a manageable place.

616
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: It's never like knockout cold for nine hours that like

617
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: the body now needs that. Science now proves you know

618
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: that we in our communities I think inherently knew, but

619
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: capitalism was like no competition was like look, sleep when

620
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: you're dead and all of these terrible.

621
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Speaker 3: Things. I look, I think that.

622
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Speaker 2: It is really a radical act of resistance for us

623
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Speaker 2: to choose rust and embodiment. And of course, the great

624
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Trisha Hersey had this in her book Rest as Resistance.

625
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: I write about how reading her book, around the time

626
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: I came out with the idea, like came out, like

627
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: where the idea of uncompete solidified, was around the time

628
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: I actually read rest as Resistance because I was just like, yes, like,

629
00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: what is happening is disproportionately women of color are being

630
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: forced to like not rest because of all these horrible

631
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: stereotypes like being lazy or being left behind or not

632
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: like working hard enough or not being good enough. But

633
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: that is just not the way that we're going to

634
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: like be able to like we literally will lose the

635
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: ability to stay on in the fight, like be in

636
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the long term fight and in the long term community,

637
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: if we're burning ourselves out, if we're running ourselves to

638
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: the ground. So I would say rest is one of

639
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: the most being in an embodiment.

640
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: Practice for yourself.

641
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: And that does mean I mean that is meant that

642
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: I have turned down opportunities so that I can make

643
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: sure I build and rest. You know, I've turned down

644
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: travel opportunities because I have prioritized my health. I have

645
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: and you know, and these are newer things. I mean

646
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: until very recently in some ways, until I wrote the book,

647
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: and that those chapters where I was like a be

648
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: a hypocrite now and like run myself ragged when I'm

649
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: telling people like to uncompete. But it's been life changing

650
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: and I think what it did, and speaking often as

651
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Speaker 2: a business owner who literally my business inquiries and I

652
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: and you know, I talked to the New York Times

653
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Speaker 2: about this. I was nervous about it, but I decided

654
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Speaker 2: to go ahead. And I hope people understand, like I

655
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: had an eighty percent drop in business inquiries between twenty

656
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Speaker 2: twenty four and twenty twenty five and the same one year,

657
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: like in a one year period, and I'm sure that's

658
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: even more now if I I didn't do the maths

659
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: after that, but the rest and embodiment practices that I

660
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: had built. I went and got a yoga you know,

661
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: teacher certification. I don't teach. It was for myself, but

662
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: so much of the certification I got and the teacher

663
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: I trained under was around the philosophy of why yoga

664
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: came about right the ancient sense and made the trus.

665
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Speaker 3: That have kind of led us to where we are.

666
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: That said, like you you know your body is worthy

667
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: the way that.

668
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: It is you're you.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a concept called mudita and in sort

670
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: of vasic sensekric traditions, which is like again, like have

671
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: joy for other successes, because what's made for you isn't

672
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: like going to not come for you like you will

673
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: get you will get it. And I think that could

674
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: only come like dealing with such a huge loss in

675
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: my business and dealing with so much of stress around

676
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: like how do I like, how do I like get

677
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: creative and make sure that the people who depend on

678
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: me to employ them, you know, don't lose their livelihood.

679
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: It came from like it came from a place of

680
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: like deep like knowing and embodiment of like this is

681
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: how we're going to navigate these times. And if I

682
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: think I had tried to navigate those times with like

683
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Speaker 2: stress and anxiety and running myself ragged, I don't think

684
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: I would be able to get to this place of

685
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Speaker 2: where I am right now.

686
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can feel like the answer to some sort

687
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: of challenge is action, and it's so damn hard to

688
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: remind yourself that sometimes in action or like I mean,

689
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: rest is in action. But like stepping away from it,

690
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: focusing on yourself makes you stronger and more ready to

691
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: tackle whatever that challenge is.

692
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: And to take strategic action, right, Like there is action

693
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: you take because you're like, oh, like I'm spinning, I'm

694
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: throwing everything on the wall and hoping something will stick

695
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: to like, know, here are like three things that I

696
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: can reasonably do without burning out to try and navigate

697
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: these times, you know, and these are like what makes

698
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: the most strategic sense and what is the best use

699
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: of my time? And in being able to like kind

700
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: of lead with that again, even for my own business,

701
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: I was able to be like, Okay, here are the

702
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: salaries that we definitely need no matter what, how are

703
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: we going to make that work?

704
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: Right?

705
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Like, here are things that were wonderful and lovely, and

706
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: I wish I could keep those going. Here's what needs

707
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: to get cut right, and I think you can only

708
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: if you do that from a place of like calm

709
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: and a place of like rest, then you make better decisions.

710
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: There's research behind that too, And if you come in

711
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: from a place of like the sky is falling. Everything

712
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: stressful you're going to make You're just not going to

713
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: make good decisions. And that's the reality, and especially in

714
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: these moments, we need to a lot of the decisions

715
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: we make now is going to be what helps us

716
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: in our careers and in our businesses and as women

717
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: and as mothers like that. There are many micro decisions

718
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: that we're making now that will have a larger impact

719
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: in years to come, because you know, the pendulum is

720
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: definitely swinging back. Oh obviously, I'm scared and fearful of

721
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: what we're losing in the pendulum swing so far one way.

722
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: It is of course going to swing back. There'll be

723
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Speaker 2: a lot of collateral damage. But this is how we

724
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: build resourves for that moment too well.

725
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Speaker 1: We survived the financial crisis. Look at us now, Look

726
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: at it now. I also was a newly new graduate

727
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: in nine trying to make my way. These things that

728
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: alter us, like fundamentally the way that we're wired and

729
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: when we move, it's like it's very very toxic. We

730
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: think we're comparing ourselves to the hottest bombshell on Love Island,

731
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: but really it's like it's that version of me from

732
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: a year or two ago. Yeah, Yeah, romanticizing that version. Yeah,

733
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: because that ever come up with you or did it

734
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Speaker 1: come up for you in this work at all? Two

735
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: when you were putting the book together.

736
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Speaker 2: All the time. I mean okay, So two things. One

737
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: is thank you for that. And I do want to

738
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: say someday like I would I write about Lakita Williams.

739
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to have her at my launch event in Seattle,

740
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: going to be on stage with me. She's my business

741
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: coach and a dear friend who told me and talked

742
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: to me about spoon theory and as someone you know

743
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: she identifies as a badass entrepreneur who has a chronic

744
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: health condition. Lakita really talked to me about like spoon

745
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: theory and the idea that like not everyone has the

746
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: same hours in a day, right, and it's less about

747
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: hours and more about energy and if you have chronic

748
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: illness or disability, like in the disability just as community,

749
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: there is this concept of like you have your energy

750
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: is a finite amount of spoons, So how are you

751
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: going to kind of and what could take you know,

752
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: one spoon of energy today? I e. You know, getting

753
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: out of bed and having a shower tomorrow could take

754
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: four spoons and then you only have you know, a

755
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: remaining number of spoons left. So I have to say, like,

756
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: what one of the most pernicious challenges of competition is

757
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: this idea that like you have to compare yourself and

758
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: you have to immediately rank yourself, and then you feel terrible,

759
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: and it sometimes often immobilizes you to then even get

760
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: back on your feet because you feel so terrible. So

761
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: I want to say that I have to say for me,

762
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: the big comparison thing. I mean, I'm living through it

763
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: right now. I can't like when you are a second

764
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: time author or I mean typically like technically I'm a

765
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: third time author, but my first book was like basically

766
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: self published, so let's say second time traditionally published author.

767
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: It's super hard not to be like, oh, but the

768
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: last time that version of me when when I launched

769
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: my book, like this is this happened? That didn't happen

770
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: this time. I've already had a couple of things happen

771
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: even before the book came out that like worked for

772
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: the last launch and didn't didn't come through for this one,

773
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: for example. And it's really hard not to be like, oh,

774
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: it's because I'm not good enough, or like that version

775
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: of me was great and worked so much harder, but

776
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: this version of me, because of the rest and all

777
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: of that, hasn't, you know, achieved the same results. And

778
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: it's really easy to fall into that comparison with you,

779
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, with yourself or an earlier version of yourself.

780
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: And again in those moments like being able to like

781
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: really sit down and ground and like what did work out?

782
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: Like what are you grateful for this moment that did

783
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: work out? The level of community building Mandy this time

784
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: around with uncompete it like it that brings tears to

785
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: my eyes. I don't care that like so and so

786
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: publication or so and so expert or so and so podcast.

787
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: Although I would have felt very upset if Brown Ambition

788
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: didn't have me back, so I.

789
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Will, I would have been upset.

790
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: That was a huge win. It was a huge win.

791
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: And I remember it so clearly because the first time

792
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: that I came on, like Stacy Abrams had been on

793
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: like a couple of weeks ago, and I was like,

794
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: what just happened? And this time around you had Zarna

795
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: Gargo a few months ago, and I was like, what

796
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: has just happened, Like how can I follow this person,

797
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, like in the same podcast, and then you

798
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: know you of course, and I and I have to say,

799
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: like I think it's again, it's very easy. You know,

800
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: we think competition, we think competition is about the best

801
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: person winning. When you actually peel it back, competition is

802
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: about the person who best fits in to an already

803
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: defined standard and mold. So there's a part of you

804
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: that has to be very okay with saying like I

805
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: don't fit into the mold, Like I know, I don't

806
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: fit into any mold or any defined standards of success.

807
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: So then what are my definitions of success? Like what

808
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: are my definitions of me winning at life? Because I

809
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: don't want to like conform to the standard which anyway

810
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: wasn't built with me in mind.

811
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about like when the the more you know

812
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: yourself and like the deeper your well of self love goes,

813
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: and like so acceptance. It makes the uncompete so much

814
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: easier because you really like you can self identify what's

815
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: for you and what's not for you and what's a

816
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: good fit. Even with the show, I mean, there's other

817
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: there's tons of other podcasts, right, and I'll see so

818
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: and so it's got this book and they're on that episode,

819
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: and I love this person, but is that the right

820
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: fit for Brown Ambition and for our audience? And you know,

821
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: so I've had I'll stop myself from chasing down a

822
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: lead for a certain person or certain whatever, and it's

823
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: just like, oh wait, girl, you're losing sight again. I'll

824
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: just bring it on back, bring it back to your focus.

825
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: And that's why, of course it's an easy yes for

826
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: someone like you to be on the show. I mean,

827
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: you are Brown Ambition personified.

828
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: Thank you.

829
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: And I just want to add one more quick thing

830
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: with that. I just want to say so much that

831
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: like your community like is just really powerful and I'm

832
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: glad you're not you know podcast A and B and

833
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: C and D, like, this is a really special community

834
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: for a reason, and I'm I would be I would

835
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: not want you to lose this beautiful community if you

836
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: because you chased and became ABCD like that's not any great.

837
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Sam, you're my boss. Tell me how I'm

838
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: doing want you and you don't like thanks for saying that. Well,

839
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: I want to wrap things up by just again congratulating

840
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: you on the book and just to say that I've

841
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: been waiting for months, ever since I kind of knew

842
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: the book was happening, and before I even launched this

843
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: new sort of initiative under Brown Ambition, I've just been

844
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: waiting to tell you that I'm going to make Uncompete

845
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: my book club selection for November. Yeah. Brown Ambision book Club,

846
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: we are going to be scooping out for our copies

847
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: of Uncompete. She is the and you know it's kind

848
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: of off of my Bob. I've been doing like a

849
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: bi monthly book club. Pick your book doesn't come out

850
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: until November, but I don't really care because I can

851
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: make the system and break it. But Uncompete is going

852
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: to be our November December book club pick.

853
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: Y'all stop, yay, I don't have works.

854
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we did it, Joe, You're the best.

855
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: We love you. You're not really getting emotions, top it.

856
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: It's that important of a message. We need this book.

857
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: It's so the opposite of what everything else is telling

858
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: us right now. It has to just it just feels right.

859
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to be about you know,

860
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: picking a book. That's going to be like we're going

861
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: to invest more and work harder and work smarter and

862
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: be more productive. And here's how you're going to use

863
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: AI to change your career. No, it's like this book

864
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: is the answer. I feel like it's how are we

865
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: going to take a breath? How are we going to

866
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: stop comparing ourselves? How are we going to reach toward

867
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: each other? Start building community, you know, harnessing joy, all

868
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: these concepts that just feel like they don't have a

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Speaker 1: place in this America that we're in right now. I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is an act of resistance to say, no,

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Speaker 1: this is a book that we're going to read as

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Speaker 1: a community. BA fan and I'm just so proud. I'm

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Speaker 1: so proud to have it on our shelves.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm speechless, I fake speechless.

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Speaker 3: Actually, thank you s something. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't have words because it's been so

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Speaker 2: it's been so hard to push in this moment, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I know, I know we have each other, and

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Speaker 2: I know we're all doing this in our own ways,

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Speaker 2: but thank you. This level of support is like, it's

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Speaker 2: it's transformational.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: What happens right?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What competition does is it has so many of us

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Speaker 2: believing that we not only are we not worthy? But

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Speaker 2: like that nobody has our back. But that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: competing is about, like you, you are showing time and

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Speaker 2: again that actually there are people who have your back.

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Speaker 3: You're not alone. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely not alone. And it's just good vibes coming

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Speaker 1: right back at you, you know, And I'm really grateful

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Speaker 1: for our friendship and the support that you've shown the

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Speaker 1: show and me and you know, you know you'll be

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Speaker 1: getting you'll be getting my my panic emails coming soon.

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Speaker 3: And bringing them on.

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Speaker 1: It is my third manuscript, yeah, track, I've written about

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Speaker 1: seventy five books at this point.

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Speaker 3: I know it's really hard.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing is like it's the hardest part right well,

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Speaker 2: because the other part's going to come a little easier

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Speaker 2: to you that than it does to me, which is

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Speaker 2: the sort.

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Speaker 3: Of like talking about the book and being like, I

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Speaker 3: love you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I'm an extrovert, I think, but I also like

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Speaker 2: get very like podcasts make me very like nervous, so

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Speaker 2: I have to like get myself ready for it, which

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Speaker 2: you are natural at. But this is the hardest part

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Speaker 2: apart from that. So you're in it, but you're not alone.

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Speaker 1: You're doing great sweetie, you're doing amazing and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to add the book. You know, as I've been

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Speaker 1: writing my book, when I go to the library, I'll

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Speaker 1: make a little stack, an emotional support stack of books

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Speaker 1: that I pull off the shelf, just like by other

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Speaker 1: women of color, usually in the business category. And it's

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Speaker 1: just like and I think if each book was just

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Speaker 1: a person typing away at their computer in the dark

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Speaker 1: and they got their book done. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: add you your book right on top of that stack.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait again. Brand Ambition. The book is called Uncompete,

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Speaker 1: Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success by my extraordinary guest Rachika T. Malhotra.

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Speaker 1: Congratulation on congratulations on the book and much success. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see you in Brooklyn. Thank We're going

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Speaker 1: to party.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow, Okayva fan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to this week's show. I want to shout

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Speaker 1: out to our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our

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Speaker 1: fearless leader for idea to launch productions. I want to

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Speaker 1: shout out my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for

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Speaker 1: helping me put the show together. It is not a

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Speaker 1: one person project, as much as I have tried to

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Speaker 1: make it so these past ten years, I need help, y'all,

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Speaker 1: and thank goodness I've been able to put this team

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Speaker 1: around me to support me on this. And to y'all,

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Speaker 1: ba fam, I love you so so so so much.

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Speaker 1: our ten year anniversary celebrations to come, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, da guy, hey, ba fam. Let's

943
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Speaker 1: be real for a second, and y'all know I keep

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Speaker 1: it a book. The job market has been brutal, now

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Speaker 1: not brutal trash, especially for women of color. Over three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand of us have disappeared from the workforce this

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Speaker 1: year alone, and not by choice, but because of layoffs,

948
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Speaker 1: disappearing DEI programs, and stagnant wages that keep cutting us

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Speaker 1: out of opportunity. Our unemployment rate has jumped to over

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Speaker 1: seven percent, while our pay gap continues to widen. I

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Speaker 1: know all of that sounds dire, but here's what I

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Speaker 1: want y'all to know. You do not have to wait

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Speaker 1: for the system to save you. That's exactly why I

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Speaker 1: created the Mandy money Makers group coaching community. It is

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Speaker 1: Inside the community, we're not just talking about how to

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Speaker 1: negotiate or to how to get the job that you want.

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Speaker 1: It's about finding purpose in your career. It's about finding

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Speaker 1: communities and others, feeling seen, feeling heard, and also having

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Speaker 1: a sounding board and a mirror to reflect your own magic,

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Speaker 1: your own sparkle right back to yourself. In this community,

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Speaker 1: you'll get group coaching led by me, but you also

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Speaker 1: your magic so that you can lead your career with

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