WEBVTT - Draft Show: A Wide Look At WR, DT, S & More 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:08.119 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys on 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.960 the your war Room for Incenter, news and draft analysis 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.360 from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.840 Star in for School, Dallas Cowboys Select Ezikie Elliott and 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:25.000 now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.440 us and we welcome you to the Draft show here 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.479 in the SWBC Mortgage Studios, getting closer every day to 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.000 the Indianapolis Combine here at the end of the month 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.960 and then onto Pro Days and then into the NFL Draft. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.120 As the Big Boys guy said, Brian brought us here. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.800 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and KK Garrison, Executive Producing. How 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.360 is everybody doing, David, welcome back, by the way, Thank you, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.400 Thanks sorry I missed on Monday. Thanks for Marty Gras. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.640 It was. It was a delight. Yeah, what I remember 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.800 of it at least, And I know you stopped in 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.440 Baton Rouge and your way back just to check out 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.480 some of those else if you looked at you, we 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.160 we joked, me and my buddy that went joked that 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.840 we were going to stop and Baton Rouge on the 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.920 way back and by the time we by the time 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.320 it was time to go home, we were like, now 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.320 get home, let's just get home, Just get home. Well, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.520 I'll tell you what I'm gonna We've got to break. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.280 The show's got to break a little early today at 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.640 eleven fifty five. So I do want to get into 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.360 our first subject, and I want to throw it over 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.360 to David Hellman because I think this is gonna be 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.000 I think this is a great idea. I do. I 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.880 really like this idea. Dane Brugler came in with it, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.640 and and David has taken it, and I think it's 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.959 gonna be a very entertaining for everybody involved. So let's 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.720 immediately get involved. I love it entertaining and informative because honestly, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.520 I feel like a lot of this these are the 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.080 these are the questions that the majority of people that 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.600 listen to this show wants. Yeah, so all right, we're 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.800 gonna call it make me feel better. What I did 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.600 was I wouldn't feel better. I went through every position. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.000 I didn't do quarterback. Sorry, get over it. I don't. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.280 I don't think the Cowboys need to draft one as 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.360 badly as a few of you do. I went through 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.240 the rest of the positions that we talk about on 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.120 this show, and I thought about what concerns me about them, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.840 and I want YouTube geniuses to make me feel better. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.040 So I'm just you know, I'm not starting with need. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.600 I'm just going I'm starting offense, going through defense. We're 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.080 gonna start with running back. I don't want to spend 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.600 a top one hundred pick on a running back, but 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.400 I need Zeke Elliott insurance at some point in the 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:36.680 later rounds make me feel better about those possibilities. And 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.600 this is a draft that's deep at running back. It 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.639 is a deep draft running back good, you know it. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.880 I think it's just for a team like the Cowboys 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.600 that don't need a bell cow They can kind of 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.840 play it by ear in the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.280 you know, depending on who is there for them at 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.680 other positions. It wouldn't be a surprise if they went 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.120 running back with say a camp pick in the fourth, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:57.679 you know, the end of the fifth round. That's something 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.760 they could do depending on how the board plays out. Uh. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.839 That guy we talked about, Darryl Williams from LSU, Yes, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.720 I make a lot of sense that is gonna be 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.720 a better pro than he was in College. Uh. You 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.960 know guy we've talked about before, who if not for 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.880 Leonard Fournett and Darius Guice, we'd be talking more about 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.640 him as one of the better running backs in this group. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.560 What about keeping him with the sec John Kelly from Tennis, 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.639 That's what I was hoping. You're gonna go there. Love 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.720 that guy. Yeah, a guy that loves the break tackles. Yeah, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.600 he is a physical dude. Yeah, he's not gonna make 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.360 a lot of guys miss, but he's gonna welcome the contact, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.480 take it on and pick up yards after contact. Tell 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.480 you what you're on your game already this morning. John 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.560 Kelly was a guy that I had in mind. If 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.640 you're gonna tell me that you've already got Rod Smith 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.160 kind of as a backup guy, and maybe who's the 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.040 third guy? Give me this John Kelly five nine, two 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.960 hundred and five pounds. I mean he in danger, right. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.960 He is tough, physical runner, and he catches the football well. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.920 He has receiving traits, he does have some. And yeah, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.600 he's not afraid as a blocker. Is he a perfect blocker? No, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.880 But I'll tell you what, he's not afraid to stick 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.520 his nose in there. He'll finish some runs too for 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.640 you as well. And I love the toughness about this kid. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.560 People are gonna look for the Alvin Kramar. Who's gonna 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.400 be that guy? Sure, and this is a this is 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.680 a down the line, but again same school, but you 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:24.239 see the same traits when it comes to the run, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.200 the physicalness, the catching, the blocking in that close He 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.720 tied for the team leading catches. So this guy can 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.400 do it. Oh, John Kelly, Tennessee. Absolutely and the passing 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.240 game was a mess of Tennessee and so a lot 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.479 was put on his shoulders and he stepped up and 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.160 uh he played pretty well. Se Yeah, John Kelly, fourth round. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.400 He could go earlier, but I thought outside the top 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.640 one hundred fourth round as a possibility. And I don't 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.200 want to spend a ton of time on running back. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.640 But okay, maybe even a little bit later, Like, is 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.240 there anybody you feel good about that? We're still you're 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.680 still Where do you have Hines? He's talking later? I 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.040 have Hines is a third rounder? Okay, so you're little. Yeah, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.719 you're a little bit higher on him than me. Hines 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.159 is to me like a more versatile James White with 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.760 the Patriots. Okay, would you take him then over Kelly. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.400 I've gotten both in this semion career. I mean they're 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.520 they're right kind of tags are almost touching. But I 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:17.160 think of late like seventh round. Yeah, Rock Thomas Jacksonville State. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.080 Love the name, Okay, Yeah, a former top recruit at 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.200 Auburn who went to Jacksonville State. Reminds me a lot 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.520 of Tevin Coleman, a guy you liked a lot out 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.240 of Indiana. There we go. But again, the value in 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.920 the seventh round I think could be there that makes 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.680 the Suns all right. I'm good with that, dig it 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.039 all right wide receiver. I'm terrified that I'm gonna get 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.960 wiped out with the big picks. I don't think Calvin 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.359 Ridley's there at nineteen. I'm very scared that guys like 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.800 DJ Moore and James Washington go somewhere between nineteen and 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:53.560 fifty and they aren't really options either. So with that 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.320 in mind, I would love and we've talked about him before, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.359 but just to kind of go through it again, guys 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.400 that I could get maybe at fifty, maybe even at 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.760 eighty one. Hell maybe even in the fourth round who 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.240 can do something right away. Any names in mind there 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.320 brought us. I'm trying to think of like because I've 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.280 got a ton of names. But you're right, I think 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.480 a lot of guys are gonna go early in this thing, 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.280 and I was trying to sort all those out. If 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.920 I how about hype of receiver? Do you think we're 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.719 looking for? I think you need a guy we've we've 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.400 talked about a touchdown a bunch and need a guy 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.440 to separate. Yeah, give me a guy that can separate. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.160 Give me a guy with some speed. Give me some 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.760 guys that you know can can catch the ball on 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.479 the move and make some things happen. This is one 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.240 of the worst teams in the league when it came 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.800 to run after catch. What about Dashawn Hamilton from Penn 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.520 Stay there you go. One of the better route runners 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.640 in this draft. But because he's probably gonna run a 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.880 four or five six and not the biggest guy, he's 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.320 not gonna go super high. He could follow the top 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:53.000 one hundred and even late third, somewhere in the fourth. Yeah, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.599 he's a He's a name to keep an eye on. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.320 Let me ask you this about how about the Kid 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.880 Burnett from USC from USC? Yeah, true slot guy? Okay, yeah, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.600 you know there's a guy. I mean, yeah, maybe you're 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.839 right about the true slot stuff. You know. I I'm 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.320 kind of thinking, where do you have Dion Kane. I've 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.760 got him higher. I think he's gonna go one. You 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.640 think the top one hundred and then, like I didn't 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.200 like Burnette, I didn't see although I mean we are, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.320 we're not talking about premium Yeah, radium guys. You say 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.400 slot only there on that one though, just because I 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.960 think only Yeah, he's undersized, UM doesn't have a huge 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.920 catch radius. I think it's a slot only uh. One 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.800 one guy that you appreciate his game, UM, and he 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.880 might be a slot only because he reminds me actually 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.400 a lot of Jarvis Landry, Trey Quinn, former LSU receiver 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.720 SMU talking to you, just talking about former LSU players 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.400 who didn't do anything at LSU but then went SMU 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.400 and had one hundred and fourteen catches. I know. Yeah, Uh, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.600 this is a guy who he's a quarterback's best friend 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.280 because he can get open, he works back to the ball. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.360 He'd probably be here for Dallas Day if you if 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.360 you think about it, Yeah, we not do we not 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.240 think that's redundant for this team. Trey. I mean, he 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.000 looks like Cole Beasley, like in Luck Bannard, and you 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.080 know he's over six foot two hundred pounds, he's a 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.080 little bigger. I think he can he can do more. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.560 I mean again, he reminds me a lot of Jarvis 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.480 le injury. So I'm not sure he'd necessarily be a 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.920 fit as doing his best work out of the slot, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.600 but he's a possibility that maybe work outside. Do you 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.320 think some of these receivers might drop? Do you think? 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.800 I mean, if you had to pick a guy or 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.880 two that might. I mean, but there's so many them 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.160 you give me can this would make me feel better 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.520 if you can give me two or three names that 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.319 we like that you think might fall to eighty one. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.720 Like is Michael Gallop at eighty one a realistic scenario? 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.720 I don't think that's realistic myself. Just mean, but with 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.800 these wide receiver we've talked about it, there's such a 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.960 log jam of these was like, okay, St Brown, Okay, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.320 oh there you goes Saint Brown. Yeah, yeah, they're right 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.840 now now, you know you say Saint Brown. I'm okay 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.000 with that. I know, I know I argued against him 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.199 the other day and I'd be honest with I think 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.360 you're you're more right about it than I am. There's 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.079 just so many different opinions on these wide receivers that 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.400 you know, a guy like Semi Cobbs from Indiana. Yeah, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.839 but there's again, there's a big guy. Is that a 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.200 guy that separates? Right? No, that's not going to be 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.760 a special not at all. See, I'm just trying to 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.839 maybe I'm maybe I'm like pigeonholing myself or I'm putting 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.960 on blinders because I feel like I've got some size. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.240 I feel like I need a route runner. I need 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.160 somebody that's gonna I need somebody that's gonna help my quarterback. Right, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.360 That's what I'm looking for. And those type of guys 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:28.920 tend to go early. You know, yeah, you have to 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.520 find him in the third round. But you know, if 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.200 you want a bigger guy, guy that can bring a 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.439 physical element, I know that's what we have with Dez. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.199 But you know you can still use those types of 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.000 guys on the outside. You just I guess the big 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.960 decision will be how much of a drop off is 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.200 a player like a Cobbs to say, Noah Brown, who's 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.600 already in the roster. Right See, I'm I'm less concerned 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.840 about size. Like, give me a guy who like knows 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.920 the whole route tree. Yeah that right away? Okay size 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.959 to me, because but what are we seeing with size 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.200 so far? What are we seeing with size? Size tends 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.160 to not be quick, size tends not to be open 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.000 all the time. I think that's what this draft is 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.360 going to offer more than guys that can separate. Yeah, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.920 and so that puts those guys at a premium. And 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.280 that's why you know we're gonna see the Dj Moore's 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.240 and Anthony Miller's probably not get out of the top fifty. Yeah, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.160 y'all aren't real. I wonder if somebody, I wonder if 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.839 better whatever, no better, let me ask you this though, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.559 could somebody could? I think Dj Moore is gonna go 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.880 a lot earlier than than when the Cowboys pick at 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.440 fifty too. But it's the possibility of the lack of 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.959 height there that somebody says we're not going to take 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.280 him there. Yeah we're not. We're Maybe they take the 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.920 opposite approach of the draft show and talking about the Cowboys. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.199 Maybe somebody says, well, he's a good player, but he's 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.679 five nine Brian. Then you look at Courtland Sutton and 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.199 and he's and he looks like it looks like the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.800 Greek god out there. Absolutely, Courtland Sutton could go ahead 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.600 of DJ More. We could see, you know a few 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.240 of these guys go ahead of DJ More just because 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.960 of the size. That might not be what eightman from 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.920 from Oklahoma surprise of Dad, but yeah, it's well just size, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:11.200 just bigger, bigger gun out the kid from Iowa State, Lazar, Right. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.440 I think what about what Dante pettis as a gate 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.040 now now you're talking, you know a guy that I 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:22.240 had him higher than that. Yeah, but pettis Washington nine pounds. Yeah, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.800 and he is a damn good player. And this I 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.439 know this team does not need a punt return or 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.640 you hope Switzer is that guy for the foreseeable future. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.679 I'll take him if he returns punts. Come on, he 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.640 set the NCAA record. Yeah, No, that that that kids 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.559 that kids got some ability. He has got a lot 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.680 of it. But I thought he was gonna go a lot. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.240 But you're right, maybe he can still might go in 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.480 the second round. But again, these log jam of receivers, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.520 someone's gonna fall everything. That's That's what has to make 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.320 you feel better in the situation is if you go 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.960 back and listen to this later. Y'all. Just y'all just 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.720 dropped about eighteen names, and so the odds that all 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.760 of those guys go, I mean, there's typically there's typically 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.520 anywhere from like twenty two to thirty five receivers drafted 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.679 in a draft. Overall, the odds that eighteen of them 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.199 are gonna go before your third picks seems unline. I'm 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.160 just telling you, I think when we get to the 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.800 when we get to the second day Friday night, we 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.880 will be talking to the second round. Okay, cowboys are 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.880 on the clock in five picks. Who's still on your board? 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.000 And I think everybody's gonna have three names. I really 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.040 do believe that. I think I think you're gonna and 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.160 one of them might well be a wide receiver. The 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.439 sheer volume of good wide receivers in this draft is 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.160 what gives you. Yeah, we threw a lot more of 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.760 good names at you than guys where I felt like 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.240 with the running back we kind of said, oh, this 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.160 guy or this guy wide receiver. I felt like we 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.480 just threw about five names at you that you would 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.600 be elated to have on your team. Yep, all right, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.840 guys about tight end? Help me understand the sweet spot 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.880 for the tight ends in this class because I don't have. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.240 I personally, I don't see nineteen as a super viable option. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.480 I don't see the Oj Howards and the David and 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.640 Joku's I know, I mean, I know Dallas Goder is 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.880 a guy people talk about. I don't really buy it. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:19.679 Which so after that nineteenth pick, where is that range 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.640 where I can find a tight end? I think it's 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:27.960 gonna be the third myself, um, and I think Ian Thomas. Yeah, uh, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.920 Indiana from Indiana. I think I've I've been a big 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.040 fan of his all season. The production doesn't blow you away, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.240 but again, it's it's more of a traits pick. You 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.040 know you you expect him to get better at the 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.880 upside the potential. Uh we mentioned cops Indiana throws the 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.079 ball to Cobs. Yeah, I mean they try to get 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.640 the ball to That's I think. That's why when you 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.000 watch Thomas play, I think Dane's right, He's got traits 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.840 of the of the more the complete traits, inline blocker, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.440 H blocker, get up the field. I think he showed 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.960 better athletically at the Senior Bowl. Then he did on 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.360 Indiana tape. Yeah, well in a big part again and 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.600 as Indiana passing game. Yeah, and their quarterback the offensive 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.240 line is Yeah, it wasn't. So you're you're betting on 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.880 trade for these, I mean the there's some talented guys. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.000 I know I talked about just Sicky probably going a 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.240 lot earlier. Fu mcgali is a guy that I like 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.240 a little better. Uh, And I know it's okay, how 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.720 many how many tight ends do you have graded right 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.920 now with a draftable grade? Yeah? Uh? Fifteen? Uh can 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.000 you just read off the first like ten of those, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.600 just to give me an idea. Dallas Garder, Mark Andrews 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.440 hayden Hurst. Those guys are the top fifty guys than 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:49.120 Ian Thomas Gisecki, Derham Smith on top one hundred Notre Dame. Yeah. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.720 And a guy that who's number seven on my list, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.160 who is kind of being overlooked right now because of 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.320 a knee injury, Chris Herndon from Miami. This guy can play, Yeah, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.600 is the number twenty three for in the Miami offen. Yeah, 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.240 but he is a good looking kid. I've got to 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.320 watch him. If the medicals come back clean. Yeah. At 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.480 the combine. Chris Herndon is a guy to watch. Conklin 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.000 Tyler Conklin for Central Michigan. We saw him in the 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.400 senior Belton Schultz from Stanford. Then Fumgali is my number 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.560 ten tight end Wisconsin. He didn't have Aikins in there 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.880 at all, did you, UCF I have got him a 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.840 little further down, older guy, I mean, spent three years 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.240 in the Rangers organization. What were your grades on like 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.080 the last four you just read off like third fourth, Yeah, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.640 Herndon's the three four and then Conklin Schultz four's and 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.800 Fumigalia four five. So and so what I'm hearing is 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.120 and which I mean, that's kind of what I suspect. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.760 It seems like top heavy, Like there's maybe two guys 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.600 that you would call day even even day not day two. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.160 But they're I mean, they're what you said. There's two 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.040 guys in the top fifty and another two in the 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.320 top one three and probably three in the top fifty 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.680 with Goddard, Mark Andrews and Haydon Hurst. Those are top 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.880 fifty guys. And then it's Andrews your top tight end. No, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.520 I've got Goddard Hurst and Andrews. There you go. I'm 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.440 glad somebody else saw that that way. I don't know 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.440 how great an athlete Andrews is. My biggest concern with 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.000 the Andrews is he was a slot receiver at Oklahoma. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.600 Well he didn't put his hand on the ground, but no, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.240 he did. He did well. You can watch him. You 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.560 can watch him play some in line tied in against TCU. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.680 You can watch him play some inline tight end. I'm telling, Okay, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:23.320 against George I'm just saying, though he shouldn't say he's 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.600 not because he has played. But it's like ninety five 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.960 to five percent. He was in the slot ninety five 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.720 percent of the time. If are you saying, man, if 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.720 you show me you can do it, you can do it. Well, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.960 I'm just saying that we shouldn't tag him as a 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.840 guy that's not an inline guy. If he is, he 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.160 an inline blocker, a devastating blocker. No? Is he getting 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.240 away guy? Is he can he turn guys? Can he 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.120 steer guys? Yes? But what have we learned? That's by 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.040 God or no different? But at least he lined up 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.520 in line half the time, fifty percent of the time, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.640 he's in line half. But we shouldn't put in the 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.920 mind of people that he doesn't play. He has not 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.760 played in line I see. I disagree. I don't think 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.680 that he did it enough to make me feel good 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.680 that he can do it the NFL lot, I think. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.840 I don't. I think it's a bigger concern he's not 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.480 a great athlete. Well, no, everybody's got this perception that 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.120 he's this big down the field player. And you name 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.800 two guys that are better down the field players, Godard 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.480 and Andrew. Yeah, I lean more toward Dane. And that's 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.000 on top of the fact that there aren't a ton 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.479 of prosper to watch. Makes sense, I will do that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.920 with you, on top of the fact that there aren't 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.479 a lot of guys that fit the mold. Again, like 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.480 I just I don't want to waste another valuable resource 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.360 on a guy that can't get on the field right now. 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.040 I would take any one of the three that you 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:40.040 mentioned though at fifty Yeah, I would consider Hearst is 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.879 my guy. Absolutely is my guy. Goddard and then and 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.480 then the Andrews. Does the fact that Hurst is going 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.600 to be twenty five years old before the seasons start, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.960 does that bother you at all. Yeah, we bring up 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.560 Terrence Neuman, do it with two thousand and three. Yeah, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.320 these guys still playing. No, I know, but this guy's 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.800 but tight ends. You know, we drafted Jason Witton when 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.360 he was twenty one. I'm saying, Witton's you're starting tight 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.560 end from day one. Yeah, and so Hurst he's not 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.920 going to start for you, and so maybe he starts 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.480 for you next year and be twenty six. You know, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.800 I'm just saying, you know, I'm just you know, in 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.600 the day and age a free agency, just give me players, Yeah, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.960 just give me. This isn't nineteen seventy seven where you 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.639 get the same guy for twenty years, unless it's go 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.840 look at the team pictures from the Cowboys over here 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.800 on the wall, and then all of a sudden it's 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.399 the same damn team every year. Those days are over, No, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.880 I wan. I would tend to agree. The age thing 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.560 is a topic of conversation, but it would not stop 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.560 me from drafting. No, just give me good play. I 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.439 will say. What I needed to hear to feel better 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.199 was that there's gonna be some guys available in the 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.160 third to fifth round run. There. There will be there 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.600 because that's where I would want this team to draft 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.480 a tight end. I don't think it's worth it in 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.800 the second or first Can we take a break real quick? 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.640 And then and then like that's my plan. We'll take 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.800 a break here, we'll come back. 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