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Speaker 1: As the Big Boys guy said, Brian brought us here.
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and KK Garrison, Executive Producing. How
Speaker 1: is everybody doing, David, welcome back, by the way, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thanks sorry I missed on Monday. Thanks for Marty Gras.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a delight. Yeah, what I remember
Speaker 1: of it at least, And I know you stopped in
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge and your way back just to check out
Speaker 1: some of those else if you looked at you, we
Speaker 1: we joked, me and my buddy that went joked that
Speaker 1: we were going to stop and Baton Rouge on the
Speaker 1: way back and by the time we by the time
Speaker 1: it was time to go home, we were like, now
Speaker 1: get home, let's just get home, Just get home. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm gonna We've got to break.
Speaker 1: The show's got to break a little early today at
Speaker 1: eleven fifty five. So I do want to get into
Speaker 1: our first subject, and I want to throw it over
Speaker 1: to David Hellman because I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: I think this is a great idea. I do. I
Speaker 1: really like this idea. Dane Brugler came in with it,
Speaker 1: and and David has taken it, and I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a very entertaining for everybody involved. So let's
Speaker 1: immediately get involved. I love it entertaining and informative because honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of this these are the
Speaker 1: these are the questions that the majority of people that
Speaker 1: listen to this show wants. Yeah, so all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna call it make me feel better. What I did
Speaker 1: was I wouldn't feel better. I went through every position.
Speaker 1: I didn't do quarterback. Sorry, get over it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys need to draft one as
Speaker 1: badly as a few of you do. I went through
Speaker 1: the rest of the positions that we talk about on
Speaker 1: this show, and I thought about what concerns me about them,
Speaker 1: and I want YouTube geniuses to make me feel better.
Speaker 1: So I'm just you know, I'm not starting with need.
Speaker 1: I'm just going I'm starting offense, going through defense. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start with running back. I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick on a running back, but
Speaker 1: I need Zeke Elliott insurance at some point in the
Speaker 1: later rounds make me feel better about those possibilities. And
Speaker 1: this is a draft that's deep at running back. It
Speaker 1: is a deep draft running back good, you know it.
Speaker 1: I think it's just for a team like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: that don't need a bell cow They can kind of
Speaker 1: play it by ear in the fourth, the fifth, the sixth,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on who is there for them at
Speaker 1: other positions. It wouldn't be a surprise if they went
Speaker 1: running back with say a camp pick in the fourth,
Speaker 1: you know, the end of the fifth round. That's something
Speaker 1: they could do depending on how the board plays out. Uh.
Speaker 1: That guy we talked about, Darryl Williams from LSU, Yes,
Speaker 1: I make a lot of sense that is gonna be
Speaker 1: a better pro than he was in College. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know guy we've talked about before, who if not for
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournett and Darius Guice, we'd be talking more about
Speaker 1: him as one of the better running backs in this group.
Speaker 1: What about keeping him with the sec John Kelly from Tennis,
Speaker 1: That's what I was hoping. You're gonna go there. Love
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, a guy that loves the break tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is a physical dude. Yeah, he's not gonna make
Speaker 1: a lot of guys miss, but he's gonna welcome the contact,
Speaker 1: take it on and pick up yards after contact. Tell
Speaker 1: you what you're on your game already this morning. John
Speaker 1: Kelly was a guy that I had in mind. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me that you've already got Rod Smith
Speaker 1: kind of as a backup guy, and maybe who's the
Speaker 1: third guy? Give me this John Kelly five nine, two
Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds. I mean he in danger, right.
Speaker 1: He is tough, physical runner, and he catches the football well.
Speaker 1: He has receiving traits, he does have some. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid as a blocker. Is he a perfect blocker? No,
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, he's not afraid to stick
Speaker 1: his nose in there. He'll finish some runs too for
Speaker 1: you as well. And I love the toughness about this kid.
Speaker 1: People are gonna look for the Alvin Kramar. Who's gonna
Speaker 1: be that guy? Sure, and this is a this is
Speaker 1: a down the line, but again same school, but you
Speaker 1: see the same traits when it comes to the run,
Speaker 1: the physicalness, the catching, the blocking in that close He
Speaker 1: tied for the team leading catches. So this guy can
Speaker 1: do it. Oh, John Kelly, Tennessee. Absolutely and the passing
Speaker 1: game was a mess of Tennessee and so a lot
Speaker 1: was put on his shoulders and he stepped up and
Speaker 1: uh he played pretty well. Se Yeah, John Kelly, fourth round.
Speaker 1: He could go earlier, but I thought outside the top
Speaker 1: one hundred fourth round as a possibility. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to spend a ton of time on running back.
Speaker 1: But okay, maybe even a little bit later, Like, is
Speaker 1: there anybody you feel good about that? We're still you're
Speaker 1: still Where do you have Hines? He's talking later? I
Speaker 1: have Hines is a third rounder? Okay, so you're little. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a little bit higher on him than me. Hines
Speaker 1: is to me like a more versatile James White with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Okay, would you take him then over Kelly.
Speaker 1: I've gotten both in this semion career. I mean they're
Speaker 1: they're right kind of tags are almost touching. But I
Speaker 1: think of late like seventh round. Yeah, Rock Thomas Jacksonville State.
Speaker 1: Love the name, Okay, Yeah, a former top recruit at
Speaker 1: Auburn who went to Jacksonville State. Reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of Tevin Coleman, a guy you liked a lot out
Speaker 1: of Indiana. There we go. But again, the value in
Speaker 1: the seventh round I think could be there that makes
Speaker 1: the Suns all right. I'm good with that, dig it
Speaker 1: all right wide receiver. I'm terrified that I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: wiped out with the big picks. I don't think Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley's there at nineteen. I'm very scared that guys like
Speaker 1: DJ Moore and James Washington go somewhere between nineteen and
Speaker 1: fifty and they aren't really options either. So with that
Speaker 1: in mind, I would love and we've talked about him before,
Speaker 1: but just to kind of go through it again, guys
Speaker 1: that I could get maybe at fifty, maybe even at
Speaker 1: eighty one. Hell maybe even in the fourth round who
Speaker 1: can do something right away. Any names in mind there
Speaker 1: brought us. I'm trying to think of like because I've
Speaker 1: got a ton of names. But you're right, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are gonna go early in this thing,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to sort all those out. If
Speaker 1: I how about hype of receiver? Do you think we're
Speaker 1: looking for? I think you need a guy we've we've
Speaker 1: talked about a touchdown a bunch and need a guy
Speaker 1: to separate. Yeah, give me a guy that can separate.
Speaker 1: Give me a guy with some speed. Give me some
Speaker 1: guys that you know can can catch the ball on
Speaker 1: the move and make some things happen. This is one
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the league when it came
Speaker 1: to run after catch. What about Dashawn Hamilton from Penn
Speaker 1: Stay there you go. One of the better route runners
Speaker 1: in this draft. But because he's probably gonna run a
Speaker 1: four or five six and not the biggest guy, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna go super high. He could follow the top
Speaker 1: one hundred and even late third, somewhere in the fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a He's a name to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this about how about the Kid
Speaker 1: Burnett from USC from USC? Yeah, true slot guy? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know there's a guy. I mean, yeah, maybe you're
Speaker 1: right about the true slot stuff. You know. I I'm
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, where do you have Dion Kane. I've
Speaker 1: got him higher. I think he's gonna go one. You
Speaker 1: think the top one hundred and then, like I didn't
Speaker 1: like Burnette, I didn't see although I mean we are,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about premium Yeah, radium guys. You say
Speaker 1: slot only there on that one though, just because I
Speaker 1: think only Yeah, he's undersized, UM doesn't have a huge
Speaker 1: catch radius. I think it's a slot only uh. One
Speaker 1: one guy that you appreciate his game, UM, and he
Speaker 1: might be a slot only because he reminds me actually
Speaker 1: a lot of Jarvis Landry, Trey Quinn, former LSU receiver
Speaker 1: SMU talking to you, just talking about former LSU players
Speaker 1: who didn't do anything at LSU but then went SMU
Speaker 1: and had one hundred and fourteen catches. I know. Yeah, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who he's a quarterback's best friend
Speaker 1: because he can get open, he works back to the ball.
Speaker 1: He'd probably be here for Dallas Day if you if
Speaker 1: you think about it, Yeah, we not do we not
Speaker 1: think that's redundant for this team. Trey. I mean, he
Speaker 1: looks like Cole Beasley, like in Luck Bannard, and you
Speaker 1: know he's over six foot two hundred pounds, he's a
Speaker 1: little bigger. I think he can he can do more.
Speaker 1: I mean again, he reminds me a lot of Jarvis
Speaker 1: le injury. So I'm not sure he'd necessarily be a
Speaker 1: fit as doing his best work out of the slot,
Speaker 1: but he's a possibility that maybe work outside. Do you
Speaker 1: think some of these receivers might drop? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had to pick a guy or
Speaker 1: two that might. I mean, but there's so many them
Speaker 1: you give me can this would make me feel better
Speaker 1: if you can give me two or three names that
Speaker 1: we like that you think might fall to eighty one.
Speaker 1: Like is Michael Gallop at eighty one a realistic scenario?
Speaker 1: I don't think that's realistic myself. Just mean, but with
Speaker 1: these wide receiver we've talked about it, there's such a
Speaker 1: log jam of these was like, okay, St Brown, Okay,
Speaker 1: oh there you goes Saint Brown. Yeah, yeah, they're right
Speaker 1: now now, you know you say Saint Brown. I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that. I know, I know I argued against him
Speaker 1: the other day and I'd be honest with I think
Speaker 1: you're you're more right about it than I am. There's
Speaker 1: just so many different opinions on these wide receivers that
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Semi Cobbs from Indiana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's again, there's a big guy. Is that a
Speaker 1: guy that separates? Right? No, that's not going to be
Speaker 1: a special not at all. See, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm like pigeonholing myself or I'm putting
Speaker 1: on blinders because I feel like I've got some size.
Speaker 1: I feel like I need a route runner. I need
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna I need somebody that's gonna help my quarterback. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for. And those type of guys
Speaker 1: tend to go early. You know, yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: find him in the third round. But you know, if
Speaker 1: you want a bigger guy, guy that can bring a
Speaker 1: physical element, I know that's what we have with Dez.
Speaker 1: But you know you can still use those types of
Speaker 1: guys on the outside. You just I guess the big
Speaker 1: decision will be how much of a drop off is
Speaker 1: a player like a Cobbs to say, Noah Brown, who's
Speaker 1: already in the roster. Right See, I'm I'm less concerned
Speaker 1: about size. Like, give me a guy who like knows
Speaker 1: the whole route tree. Yeah that right away? Okay size
Speaker 1: to me, because but what are we seeing with size
Speaker 1: so far? What are we seeing with size? Size tends
Speaker 1: to not be quick, size tends not to be open
Speaker 1: all the time. I think that's what this draft is
Speaker 1: going to offer more than guys that can separate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that puts those guys at a premium. And
Speaker 1: that's why you know we're gonna see the Dj Moore's
Speaker 1: and Anthony Miller's probably not get out of the top fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all aren't real. I wonder if somebody, I wonder if
Speaker 1: better whatever, no better, let me ask you this though,
Speaker 1: could somebody could? I think Dj Moore is gonna go
Speaker 1: a lot earlier than than when the Cowboys pick at
Speaker 1: fifty too. But it's the possibility of the lack of
Speaker 1: height there that somebody says we're not going to take
Speaker 1: him there. Yeah we're not. We're Maybe they take the
Speaker 1: opposite approach of the draft show and talking about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody says, well, he's a good player, but he's
Speaker 1: five nine Brian. Then you look at Courtland Sutton and
Speaker 1: and he's and he looks like it looks like the
Speaker 1: Greek god out there. Absolutely, Courtland Sutton could go ahead
Speaker 1: of DJ More. We could see, you know a few
Speaker 1: of these guys go ahead of DJ More just because
Speaker 1: of the size. That might not be what eightman from
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma surprise of Dad, but yeah, it's well just size,
Speaker 1: just bigger, bigger gun out the kid from Iowa State, Lazar, Right.
Speaker 1: I think what about what Dante pettis as a gate
Speaker 1: now now you're talking, you know a guy that I
Speaker 1: had him higher than that. Yeah, but pettis Washington nine pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he is a damn good player. And this I
Speaker 1: know this team does not need a punt return or
Speaker 1: you hope Switzer is that guy for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: I'll take him if he returns punts. Come on, he
Speaker 1: set the NCAA record. Yeah, No, that that that kids
Speaker 1: that kids got some ability. He has got a lot
Speaker 1: of it. But I thought he was gonna go a lot.
Speaker 1: But you're right, maybe he can still might go in
Speaker 1: the second round. But again, these log jam of receivers,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna fall everything. That's That's what has to make
Speaker 1: you feel better in the situation is if you go
Speaker 1: back and listen to this later. Y'all. Just y'all just
Speaker 1: dropped about eighteen names, and so the odds that all
Speaker 1: of those guys go, I mean, there's typically there's typically
Speaker 1: anywhere from like twenty two to thirty five receivers drafted
Speaker 1: in a draft. Overall, the odds that eighteen of them
Speaker 1: are gonna go before your third picks seems unline. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you, I think when we get to the
Speaker 1: when we get to the second day Friday night, we
Speaker 1: will be talking to the second round. Okay, cowboys are
Speaker 1: on the clock in five picks. Who's still on your board?
Speaker 1: And I think everybody's gonna have three names. I really
Speaker 1: do believe that. I think I think you're gonna and
Speaker 1: one of them might well be a wide receiver. The
Speaker 1: sheer volume of good wide receivers in this draft is
Speaker 1: what gives you. Yeah, we threw a lot more of
Speaker 1: good names at you than guys where I felt like
Speaker 1: with the running back we kind of said, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy or this guy wide receiver. I felt like we
Speaker 1: just threw about five names at you that you would
Speaker 1: be elated to have on your team. Yep, all right,
Speaker 1: guys about tight end? Help me understand the sweet spot
Speaker 1: for the tight ends in this class because I don't have.
Speaker 1: I personally, I don't see nineteen as a super viable option.
Speaker 1: I don't see the Oj Howards and the David and
Speaker 1: Joku's I know, I mean, I know Dallas Goder is
Speaker 1: a guy people talk about. I don't really buy it.
Speaker 1: Which so after that nineteenth pick, where is that range
Speaker 1: where I can find a tight end? I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the third myself, um, and I think Ian Thomas. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: Indiana from Indiana. I think I've I've been a big
Speaker 1: fan of his all season. The production doesn't blow you away,
Speaker 1: but again, it's it's more of a traits pick. You
Speaker 1: know you you expect him to get better at the
Speaker 1: upside the potential. Uh we mentioned cops Indiana throws the
Speaker 1: ball to Cobs. Yeah, I mean they try to get
Speaker 1: the ball to That's I think. That's why when you
Speaker 1: watch Thomas play, I think Dane's right, He's got traits
Speaker 1: of the of the more the complete traits, inline blocker,
Speaker 1: H blocker, get up the field. I think he showed
Speaker 1: better athletically at the Senior Bowl. Then he did on
Speaker 1: Indiana tape. Yeah, well in a big part again and
Speaker 1: as Indiana passing game. Yeah, and their quarterback the offensive
Speaker 1: line is Yeah, it wasn't. So you're you're betting on
Speaker 1: trade for these, I mean the there's some talented guys.
Speaker 1: I know I talked about just Sicky probably going a
Speaker 1: lot earlier. Fu mcgali is a guy that I like
Speaker 1: a little better. Uh, And I know it's okay, how
Speaker 1: many how many tight ends do you have graded right
Speaker 1: now with a draftable grade? Yeah? Uh? Fifteen? Uh can
Speaker 1: you just read off the first like ten of those,
Speaker 1: just to give me an idea. Dallas Garder, Mark Andrews
Speaker 1: hayden Hurst. Those guys are the top fifty guys than
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas Gisecki, Derham Smith on top one hundred Notre Dame. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And a guy that who's number seven on my list,
Speaker 1: who is kind of being overlooked right now because of
Speaker 1: a knee injury, Chris Herndon from Miami. This guy can play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is the number twenty three for in the Miami offen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he is a good looking kid. I've got to
Speaker 1: watch him. If the medicals come back clean. Yeah. At
Speaker 1: the combine. Chris Herndon is a guy to watch. Conklin
Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin for Central Michigan. We saw him in the
Speaker 1: senior Belton Schultz from Stanford. Then Fumgali is my number
Speaker 1: ten tight end Wisconsin. He didn't have Aikins in there
Speaker 1: at all, did you, UCF I have got him a
Speaker 1: little further down, older guy, I mean, spent three years
Speaker 1: in the Rangers organization. What were your grades on like
Speaker 1: the last four you just read off like third fourth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Herndon's the three four and then Conklin Schultz four's and
Speaker 1: Fumigalia four five. So and so what I'm hearing is
Speaker 1: and which I mean, that's kind of what I suspect.
Speaker 1: It seems like top heavy, Like there's maybe two guys
Speaker 1: that you would call day even even day not day two.
Speaker 1: But they're I mean, they're what you said. There's two
Speaker 1: guys in the top fifty and another two in the
Speaker 1: top one three and probably three in the top fifty
Speaker 1: with Goddard, Mark Andrews and Haydon Hurst. Those are top
Speaker 1: fifty guys. And then it's Andrews your top tight end. No,
Speaker 1: I've got Goddard Hurst and Andrews. There you go. I'm
Speaker 1: glad somebody else saw that that way. I don't know
Speaker 1: how great an athlete Andrews is. My biggest concern with
Speaker 1: the Andrews is he was a slot receiver at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Well he didn't put his hand on the ground, but no,
Speaker 1: he did. He did well. You can watch him. You
Speaker 1: can watch him play some in line tied in against TCU.
Speaker 1: You can watch him play some inline tight end. I'm telling, Okay,
Speaker 1: against George I'm just saying, though he shouldn't say he's
Speaker 1: not because he has played. But it's like ninety five
Speaker 1: to five percent. He was in the slot ninety five
Speaker 1: percent of the time. If are you saying, man, if
Speaker 1: you show me you can do it, you can do it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we shouldn't tag him as a
Speaker 1: guy that's not an inline guy. If he is, he
Speaker 1: an inline blocker, a devastating blocker. No? Is he getting
Speaker 1: away guy? Is he can he turn guys? Can he
Speaker 1: steer guys? Yes? But what have we learned? That's by
Speaker 1: God or no different? But at least he lined up
Speaker 1: in line half the time, fifty percent of the time,
Speaker 1: he's in line half. But we shouldn't put in the
Speaker 1: mind of people that he doesn't play. He has not
Speaker 1: played in line I see. I disagree. I don't think
Speaker 1: that he did it enough to make me feel good
Speaker 1: that he can do it the NFL lot, I think.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's a bigger concern he's not
Speaker 1: a great athlete. Well, no, everybody's got this perception that
Speaker 1: he's this big down the field player. And you name
Speaker 1: two guys that are better down the field players, Godard
Speaker 1: and Andrew. Yeah, I lean more toward Dane. And that's
Speaker 1: on top of the fact that there aren't a ton
Speaker 1: of prosper to watch. Makes sense, I will do that
Speaker 1: with you, on top of the fact that there aren't
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that fit the mold. Again, like
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to waste another valuable resource
Speaker 1: on a guy that can't get on the field right now.
Speaker 1: I would take any one of the three that you
Speaker 1: mentioned though at fifty Yeah, I would consider Hearst is
Speaker 1: my guy. Absolutely is my guy. Goddard and then and
Speaker 1: then the Andrews. Does the fact that Hurst is going
Speaker 1: to be twenty five years old before the seasons start,
Speaker 1: does that bother you at all. Yeah, we bring up
Speaker 1: Terrence Neuman, do it with two thousand and three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys still playing. No, I know, but this guy's
Speaker 1: but tight ends. You know, we drafted Jason Witton when
Speaker 1: he was twenty one. I'm saying, Witton's you're starting tight
Speaker 1: end from day one. Yeah, and so Hurst he's not
Speaker 1: going to start for you, and so maybe he starts
Speaker 1: for you next year and be twenty six. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I'm just you know, in
Speaker 1: the day and age a free agency, just give me players, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just give me. This isn't nineteen seventy seven where you
Speaker 1: get the same guy for twenty years, unless it's go
Speaker 1: look at the team pictures from the Cowboys over here
Speaker 1: on the wall, and then all of a sudden it's
Speaker 1: the same damn team every year. Those days are over, No,
Speaker 1: I wan. I would tend to agree. The age thing
Speaker 1: is a topic of conversation, but it would not stop
Speaker 1: me from drafting. No, just give me good play. I
Speaker 1: will say. What I needed to hear to feel better
Speaker 1: was that there's gonna be some guys available in the
Speaker 1: third to fifth round run. There. There will be there
Speaker 1: because that's where I would want this team to draft
Speaker 1: a tight end. I don't think it's worth it in
Speaker 1: the second or first Can we take a break real quick?
Speaker 1: And then and then like that's my plan. We'll take
Speaker 1: a break here, we'll come back. We're going to finish this,
Speaker 1: and then the last half of the show, we'll play
Speaker 1: the tw Twitter questions. We'll get to your questions and
Speaker 1: maybe take a couple of calls eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. You see it on
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Speaker 1: and Will Hernandez. Yeah, assuming the Cowboys don't draft one
Speaker 1: of those two guards, make me feel better and find
Speaker 1: me some viable guys that you could get later on
Speaker 1: as early as the second but as late as the
Speaker 1: third or the fourth round. I think this is a
Speaker 1: position where I'm gonna struggle to make you feel better?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, brought us might help me out here.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can we make him feel better about
Speaker 1: the guard position? If you don't get win, you don't
Speaker 1: get her. Nandez, you like Smith? So I do like
Speaker 1: Braydon Smith from Auburn. Yeah, I do like him. And
Speaker 1: you know what, scouts will probably. I know I went
Speaker 1: on a rail mission against him last week. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just wanted to take the other You
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him in a third. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would take him in the third because I have I
Speaker 1: have Corbett from Nevada better than him. Yeah. It's solid player,
Speaker 1: so you know. And the fact he played tackle, he
Speaker 1: you know, playing the potentially play guard for you. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know what, and then it might be
Speaker 1: a wild thing. But I don't think that priced the
Speaker 1: Ohio State Center. He could play guard. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get him in them. I think you'd
Speaker 1: have to hit him at fifty if you're gonna. I
Speaker 1: think he's been long gone before them. Just my opinion,
Speaker 1: guys that I think the center. All right? How about this,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Daniels from Iowa? Then you
Speaker 1: feel like he could play guard, and I can take
Speaker 1: him in nineteen if you want him. I think both
Speaker 1: Price and Daniels are early guys, top thirty to thirty five. Yikes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, then you know, now you talk about could
Speaker 1: you play Cole? Would you play Cold? Michigan center? Tackle
Speaker 1: it guard? I you know I struggle with Cold because
Speaker 1: I do too. Who's a left tackle at Michigan? You know,
Speaker 1: obviously he's an inside player at the Senior Bowl, he
Speaker 1: just got got Yeah. I like the Senior Bowl. It's
Speaker 1: hard to most guys help themselves, but every year there's
Speaker 1: one or two that you kind of walk away saying, wow,
Speaker 1: I very discouraged by what he did. And Cole is
Speaker 1: one of them right now Arkansas. Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1: He's kind of another one is going under the radar
Speaker 1: because he missed the last dale months of the season
Speaker 1: with an injury. Yeah, didn't have a chance of the
Speaker 1: workout or play at the Senior Bowl because of the injury.
Speaker 1: If the medicals are clean, He's an interesting guy because
Speaker 1: I think he would be one of the few that
Speaker 1: you consider taking the second or third round. A guy
Speaker 1: that can play guard, play mostly center, but can play
Speaker 1: guard and be just as effective. That's a good name.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be happy with Nick Gates from Nebraska, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. No, he was an open gate at
Speaker 1: the left tackle. Whoah, So I know he's probably were
Speaker 1: projecting inside. Uh and the smaller area will help him. No,
Speaker 1: I I think I think you give a fair assessment
Speaker 1: to him. I don't think it's fair. Yeah, this guard classes,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get you know, too too excited about
Speaker 1: the options if and I know I'm kind of making
Speaker 1: a case for why you should go win or you know,
Speaker 1: all of these guys at nineteen, but there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of depth in this guard class. See this, think
Speaker 1: the well, go ahead? This is this is This is
Speaker 1: the argument then that they had last year with drafting
Speaker 1: Taco and do you look at it early? Do you
Speaker 1: have to because you look at the depth of the position,
Speaker 1: and do you feel and and Dane gave you a
Speaker 1: bunch of names. You know, we we we went through
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that would have to be guys
Speaker 1: that you know, they play at one position, you'd have
Speaker 1: to probably flip them over to play guard where you
Speaker 1: know when yeah, he was a tackle, but man, he
Speaker 1: was really good. You watched and played similarly. We started
Speaker 1: at guard his first few years too, so he's yeah,
Speaker 1: you've seen him, seen him, you've seen him play it.
Speaker 1: And then you look at you know, you look at
Speaker 1: like you know with Hernande is the same way. You
Speaker 1: know now you're thinking, okay, after those two, who are
Speaker 1: the guys? I mean, we were trying to make you
Speaker 1: feel better, and we really didn't. But maybe it's at
Speaker 1: nineteen you have to do that. I know you don't
Speaker 1: want to do that right, but it might be the
Speaker 1: best player at that position, or the best player on
Speaker 1: your board is a guard. I'm gonna go and if
Speaker 1: that's if that's true then because I'll tell you this way,
Speaker 1: I feel better now watching a bunch of one techniques.
Speaker 1: If if I and I know you're gonna get to it,
Speaker 1: we got we're going, okay, I'll let you get to
Speaker 1: that then. But I mean, and I know this is
Speaker 1: the draft show, but what y'all just did was tell
Speaker 1: me that this team needs to get hold of a guy,
Speaker 1: a guy that can start at left guard in free
Speaker 1: agency one way or the other. That would be my
Speaker 1: plan A. Whether it's Jonathan Cooper or somebody else, I
Speaker 1: don't care but you can't go into this knowing that
Speaker 1: you have to draft the starting left guard. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just can't. And thirty one other teams knowing that too. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I don't want to spend a ton of
Speaker 1: time on this, but you know, Tyron Smith's injury issues
Speaker 1: or a thing that get talked about a lot. Where
Speaker 1: can this team find a tackle that suits its need?
Speaker 1: I e. A swing tackle that can also step in
Speaker 1: for a start. They we're gonna be hearing those two
Speaker 1: words a lot of think the swing tackle. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: something that I know a lot of fans. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: throw that out there a lot. I kind of I'll
Speaker 1: take it's it's not a it's not a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. I mean you do. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you need somebody. I mean they're only gonna dress seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy's gonna have to play the left
Speaker 1: and right side. Yeah. I actually think there's some pretty
Speaker 1: good candidates. Okay, I really do Top one h Parker?
Speaker 1: Where do you have Parker? Uh NCA and t Kid? Yeah? Third, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Yeah, we talked about Oka four.
Speaker 1: Now he's not ready maybe, but I'm not sure I'd
Speaker 1: draft him, really, be honest with you, Like, I'll grate
Speaker 1: him on my my rankings because I great every player,
Speaker 1: but I'm not serod draft him because I worry about
Speaker 1: his He's not a glass eater. Oh he's not a
Speaker 1: tough guy, and I'm not I'm not gonna go as
Speaker 1: far as to call him soft or anything, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's just he's not a natural football player who
Speaker 1: grinds it out. And right, let me take you off that.
Speaker 1: How about Ranking from Mississippi State. I like Ranking? Uh
Speaker 1: do you think he can hold up a tackle? I
Speaker 1: kind of worry me a little bit. I think he
Speaker 1: might be a better center, to be honest, but that's
Speaker 1: a that's that's like watching Cole Yeah, Cole playing. Well,
Speaker 1: it's such a weird flex tackle center. All right, how
Speaker 1: about this and let me tell you another name. How
Speaker 1: about Crosby from Oregon. Yeah, I like Crosby. I think
Speaker 1: he's um in the second round. Okay, yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: have him the third. Uh. Well, let me put it
Speaker 1: this way. I think he's gonna go in the second round. Okay,
Speaker 1: because again tackle supplying to man, Yeah, they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: go high. About Jones from Ohio, State didn't like him
Speaker 1: as much as you did. I think I gave him
Speaker 1: a three. Okay, that's why I have him. Okay, him Parker.
Speaker 1: There's whether it's be from LSU. Let me be, let
Speaker 1: me be a little more direct. How comfortable the y'all like,
Speaker 1: How high the y'all feel comfortable picking this guy knowing
Speaker 1: that ideally his job is to be the third tackle.
Speaker 1: This is where I this is where I look at
Speaker 1: at Paul Alexander and I say, listen, you need to
Speaker 1: find a way to get Chads Green. Ready. Oh no,
Speaker 1: scared the crap out of all of our listeners. Okay,
Speaker 1: but listen to me here. Chads Green had one bad
Speaker 1: game against Atlanta, like a historically bad game, but in
Speaker 1: the in the previous season when he was in the
Speaker 1: reason why they put him out there was because this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this till him blue in the face.
Speaker 1: They did him a disservice by playing him at guard,
Speaker 1: by taking him as they should have. They should have
Speaker 1: had a they had a plan if something happens with Smith,
Speaker 1: use him as your backup left tack. Hey, and I
Speaker 1: hear you, and I'm I never agreed with anybody that
Speaker 1: thought Chaz Green should be cut, but he's still a
Speaker 1: You can't trust him completely and be he's heading into
Speaker 1: a contract so I just don't. Can't you can't. Okay,
Speaker 1: before the Atlanta game, could you trust him? Yes? Funny
Speaker 1: how that works? Huh Yeah, you guys sound a little neat. Okay,
Speaker 1: but he's heading into a contract season. That's fine. Play him,
Speaker 1: but figure it out. You find a way to get
Speaker 1: him better. You not want to try to address the
Speaker 1: long term future of the position. I just named off
Speaker 1: five guys, and every one of them he went, I
Speaker 1: don't think the guy could play. He's not a glass eater.
Speaker 1: I don't like every one of those guys, not everyone. No,
Speaker 1: but what I said about one guy, but the other
Speaker 1: guys didn't get me all. You took one of the
Speaker 1: guys that said you think brought us he could be
Speaker 1: a sinner. I think it might be his best position
Speaker 1: long term. You guys, what are you doing? Brian's angry?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Seriously, I'm looking for a tackle
Speaker 1: I can draft on Day three to you might hate
Speaker 1: Chaz Green, but you hate these other guys more. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think you could rely on Chaz
Speaker 1: Green's sound like you can run and five guys I
Speaker 1: named you No, because this is not a great tackle class.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. You're not gonna find a lot
Speaker 1: of depth, not a lot of value. One one name
Speaker 1: to keep an eye. On day three, he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's avoiding me. He knows he's looking right at you.
Speaker 1: Good because I don't love the talent on day two
Speaker 1: of this draft. To day make me feel better? Do it?
Speaker 1: Come on tackle from Stony Brook? Oh God, that doesn't.
Speaker 1: That doesn't. Okay, No, this is going along with again,
Speaker 1: Chad's Greenford one more year. Again, going along with what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Tell Paulexander get him ready, you're you have chat.
Speaker 1: What about Parker? Then, well, I think asking price if
Speaker 1: the if at eighty one, okay, you know, maybe I
Speaker 1: think he should be in consideration, but he might be
Speaker 1: gone there or it might be a better option. So
Speaker 1: I think he should be in consideration. But if you
Speaker 1: want to starter, or say you go nose tackle, corner,
Speaker 1: linebacker your first three picks, and you still need that
Speaker 1: tackle fourth fifth round, timon Paris from uh ST Stony Brook.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that you can develop. I mean, let
Speaker 1: me you didn't like weather be at all from LSU?
Speaker 1: Did he was? I hang him of four? So another
Speaker 1: guy didn't like top one hundred. But ye day three,
Speaker 1: early day three, I think you'd be pot Would you
Speaker 1: like to go on record and say you wouldn't draft
Speaker 1: him like you've done some other guys. One guy, I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just asking now. I just want to I want
Speaker 1: to learn no figure that our most contentious debate is
Speaker 1: about the third tackle on the team. I just I
Speaker 1: just this team, this team needs to go get free
Speaker 1: agent offensive lineman. That's what I think. Um, that's just
Speaker 1: that costs you money. I'm not you don't have to
Speaker 1: give a guy a forty million dollar deal. You just
Speaker 1: need to go get somebody. I'm on board getting a
Speaker 1: swing tackle. I just don't love the value a day
Speaker 1: two in this draft, Um, that the tackles that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get because again supply and demand, these tackles are
Speaker 1: gonna pushed up the board. They're gonna go a lot
Speaker 1: earlier than you would take them. So I think your
Speaker 1: best route might be you live with Chaz Green, or
Speaker 1: you're adding free agency and then you draft a developmental
Speaker 1: tackle on Day three. That I you know, bring them
Speaker 1: along and then by you know, next year, he's your
Speaker 1: swing tackle. I'd be a new coaching staff if you
Speaker 1: don't develop. But he don't coach Chaz Green up a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm gonna try to save a little time
Speaker 1: here because these two positions remind me a lot of
Speaker 1: each other. Defensive tackle. We have talked an enormous amount
Speaker 1: about Vita Vea and Maurice Hearst as possibilities at nineteen
Speaker 1: at linebacker. We have also done the same thing with
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith and Tremaine Edmonds, who maybe nineteens not realistic,
Speaker 1: but you you hope for the best. Make me feel
Speaker 1: better about who those guys could be and when they
Speaker 1: could be drafted. If not those guys at linebacker. At
Speaker 1: both spots, where do you have Sinshi? Hey, all right,
Speaker 1: we're talking two positions here, Sonack Wisconsin. There you go,
Speaker 1: Jack Sinshi. It's it's hard because his draft grade is
Speaker 1: based on twenty sixteen tape. Well, it's based entirely on
Speaker 1: the medicals. Yeah, how did those come back? If his
Speaker 1: medicals come back, I'm looking at this kid, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely, if he's healthy. If the medicals are aren't
Speaker 1: an issue. He's a top fifty player. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 1: so that's a type of talent we're talking about. This
Speaker 1: is a former walk on, went to Wisconsin, developed into
Speaker 1: a starter. My problem with him the last two years Okay,
Speaker 1: he's played seven games the last two years. He hasn't
Speaker 1: He hasn't started since last October of twenty and sixteen.
Speaker 1: Sounds like another linebacker we got here, and that's the
Speaker 1: that's the worry with Sitchi. So do you feel like
Speaker 1: though that teams won't take him early? Then it just
Speaker 1: it depends on medicals. If twenty sixteen tape is very good, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: before we tour, meaning Wisconsin puts out linebackers, they do so,
Speaker 1: so Citchi is a top fifty talent. The medicals. You
Speaker 1: trust your doctors if they say, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of fans are listening to this saying, no, forget them.
Speaker 1: As soon as they hear these injured questions. Now I'll
Speaker 1: let me let me kill them. That's what I do
Speaker 1: with like Jalen Smith and guys like that. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta trust the doctor. And if the doctor says,
Speaker 1: you know what, he just bad luck, he should be
Speaker 1: you know fully on the men to be close one
Speaker 1: hundred percent by training camp. Hey, you feel good about
Speaker 1: him at eighty one? Him or Jewel, Josie Jewel? Iowa, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I've got Jewel higher right now because of
Speaker 1: the two situation. What about the by U kid Warner?
Speaker 1: I like him a lot too. I think at eighty
Speaker 1: one he'd be a heck of a pick. I think
Speaker 1: if you talk to Kavanaugh and Katie, they they're they're
Speaker 1: they're they're rallying against him. They hate everybody, No, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't hate everybody. They get in discussions like Dan
Speaker 1: and I just had about offensive linemen stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like one. I think Warner is going to be
Speaker 1: a really good player. I do. I think that. I
Speaker 1: think you could play him with a a lot of different spots.
Speaker 1: He could play him every down. He doesn't get he
Speaker 1: won't come off the field. He'll need him to. And
Speaker 1: he's in ARCAG. Yeah you know what I mean. Uh
Speaker 1: he's a guy that is a team captain. He didn't
Speaker 1: miss a game in the last three years. Uh So yeah,
Speaker 1: give me Warner if he's there at eighty one. I
Speaker 1: think that is your consolation prize and you feel good
Speaker 1: about it after not getting quand orm Tremaine Edmunds in
Speaker 1: the first round. All right, how about d tackle real quick? Uh?
Speaker 1: A guy that I know you guys recently just watched
Speaker 1: and love one of my five favorite players. You did
Speaker 1: have him first. I give Dane Burglar full credit for this.
Speaker 1: One of my five favorite players in this draft from UCF,
Speaker 1: Dedrin Senat, the nose tackle who and a lot of
Speaker 1: people here South Florida and they think a small watch
Speaker 1: him guy. He had a full ride to Florida State.
Speaker 1: He chose to go to South Florida. It had been
Speaker 1: better than naughty. Yeah, yeah, he would a better player.
Speaker 1: I've got him just ahead of naughty, and I like
Speaker 1: Naughty two from Florida State. A good player, so not
Speaker 1: your He's your no. If you don't get Vita veau
Speaker 1: in at nineteen or your nose tackle, Sonat's the guy
Speaker 1: to look at at day two. This is this is me,
Speaker 1: This is me right here. If if this is why
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would consider guard at nineteen. This is
Speaker 1: why you keep talking about how many defensive tackles you're
Speaker 1: watching that you like bingo. I feel better about the
Speaker 1: one technique defensive tackles. If that's route, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't feel tremendously great about Hurst defensive tack Chael Michigan.
Speaker 1: I don't feel tremendously great about him. I need to
Speaker 1: go back and really grind that one down. But I
Speaker 1: will tell you this though, I do feel good about
Speaker 1: Vya Son, Payne, Phillips, Naughty Ford. I just named five guys,
Speaker 1: six guys, didn't I write there for you that? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I say, it's if you had to find a
Speaker 1: one technique. Those guys can play one technique and be good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves Phillips. He's right about Phillips. Stanford deepense. For
Speaker 1: all the talk of these two guys at the top,
Speaker 1: this is a deep position. Wait, we'll see linebacker. We
Speaker 1: talk about two guys for a reason because we don't
Speaker 1: feel great about it. I don't feel good about the
Speaker 1: three techniques and so But David Irving, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody in the draft is gonna go, you know what,
Speaker 1: we can't find this guy could play three technique. Maybe
Speaker 1: we have to give up a second round pick to
Speaker 1: get You know, I'm not buying your hype that Malique
Speaker 1: can only play one anyway, for whatever that's worth. So
Speaker 1: it's fine, play three. That's fine. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you though, if you don't get disappointed if vita
Speaker 1: Vea is not there. Yeah, and even if he's there
Speaker 1: and they don't take him, that will be the great hindsight,
Speaker 1: you know, that'll be the great hindsight the one or no,
Speaker 1: no exactly, or it'd be like it'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: with what they should have taken. What I mean, that's
Speaker 1: you know, they that's kind of how this is going
Speaker 1: to work. To me, Veya, if you pass on Vitavea
Speaker 1: not as big of a deal of passing on what
Speaker 1: vita Vea has his issues. He's not the perfect clean player.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that the physical traits are off
Speaker 1: the charts. Discipline, technique, effort, those are all up and down.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and so but I feel better about the
Speaker 1: overall position of one technique the three technique. I agree.
Speaker 1: One thing I will kind of disagree with you. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to take the best player at nineteen. I
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like the idea of thinking, well,
Speaker 1: this is better and now if the players are even yeah,
Speaker 1: if you know, if you if you their stat will
Speaker 1: have him separate. You know that well, I mean if
Speaker 1: you all right, say you view Vita Vea and Isaiah
Speaker 1: Win like almost dead similar grade one. Oh, then I agree,
Speaker 1: you know, looking towards the future of the position in
Speaker 1: the second third round. But if you like a guy,
Speaker 1: if he's a hot, better first round player on your board,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of taking that, stay and put stay,
Speaker 1: taking that player as opposed to, well, this other position
Speaker 1: has better depth. Would you take senate at AT's not
Speaker 1: at at fifty? I could envision a scenario. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he didn't make my top fifty, but close right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's right there in that mix. It could,
Speaker 1: it could happen. I think the main thing I learned
Speaker 1: about the draft as I do this more and more
Speaker 1: is that there aren't a lot of teams that truly
Speaker 1: have the discipline to do that. Like they get caught up.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's best player, by need best player. But
Speaker 1: we're screwed if we don't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm a dinosaur in this. I'm a dinosaur in scouting
Speaker 1: because of my background with the Packers, because we were
Speaker 1: a best player and we never went on I mean
Speaker 1: we didn't really go on knee. We just took the
Speaker 1: best player. But nowadays it really is. I trying to
Speaker 1: argue that, but I can't because team's draft need all
Speaker 1: the time they do well. And I think people have
Speaker 1: to keep in mind too, that a lot of teams
Speaker 1: their draft board consists of one hundred and thirty players.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty players, yeah, hundred eighty player. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not the three hundred. Trust me, our board
Speaker 1: would be that way, right, it's not you know, we're
Speaker 1: looking at all these guys, but a lot of teams
Speaker 1: it's not that that extensive of a board, and so
Speaker 1: it might not be as much of a reach in
Speaker 1: their eyes. There you go, Do you want to take
Speaker 1: a break and finish this or just try to roll through? No, no,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's take a break and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back and finish it up. And then yeah, two more positions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll we'll do we'll go quick. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: get two. I do want to get to people's questions. Okay,
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Speaker 1: gotta get out here a little early. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we got something we have to do, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: David hustle all but we got this all right. I'm
Speaker 1: glad Dane mentioned t J. Watt because he almost won
Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year as the sixth pass rusher
Speaker 1: taken in last year's draft. That's how good that class was.
Speaker 1: Make me feel better about the fact that it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel as deep this year. And I'm sitting here thinking
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily love my options at nineteen other than
Speaker 1: maybe Davenport, right, I mean, Chubb won't be there, And
Speaker 1: then I think, I don't know, well, it's early, lest
Speaker 1: I don't love my options at fifty. Basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: is this position deep enough that you can afford to
Speaker 1: wait on it? Is? Basically how I want you to
Speaker 1: make me feel better if you can. I think this
Speaker 1: group has a lot of talent, yeah, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of polished players that you feel really
Speaker 1: good about. You know, each one. You can pull holes
Speaker 1: in all these guys. Right after Chubb even Davenport to
Speaker 1: an extent. You know, I think there's a handful of
Speaker 1: guys you consider at nineteen. Maybe not a handful, maybe
Speaker 1: like a few, Yeah, Sam Hubbard being one from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Harold Landry from Boston College. Harold Landry a guy that
Speaker 1: based on he has in sixteen tape, you see a
Speaker 1: first rounder. Sure this year. Injuries, other factors. He couldn't
Speaker 1: perform in the Senior Bowl because of injuries, and then
Speaker 1: in the day two you have plenty of question marks.
Speaker 1: Arden Key, Yeah, I don't think he's a consideration for
Speaker 1: this team. With the Randy Gregory situation, Yes, I would
Speaker 1: agree that quo with the size, how does he fit? Yes?
Speaker 1: Maybe the most The biggest mystery of all is Hercules
Speaker 1: mod Offa from Washington State. Who you watch him and
Speaker 1: he lined up as a more of a three technique
Speaker 1: on the interior. His initial burst off the ball is amazing.
Speaker 1: I'll throw Armstrong from Kansas another good player, but again
Speaker 1: I think he's probably more of a stand up guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It could be alignman, It depends on where people look
Speaker 1: at him. He might be a three four outside lineback
Speaker 1: him in NUOSU for USC same paper. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of tweeters. There are lot of tweeters in this thing.
Speaker 1: That's always the key of the draft. How the draft,
Speaker 1: how these defensive end, these tweeter guys, how they fit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dictates how draft is gonna go in my opinion, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you're looking for a defensive end, your
Speaker 1: best bet is probably waiting until days two, third round
Speaker 1: and seeing if a duke ed four men. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of question marks in this draft.
Speaker 1: A pass rusher and one of these A few of
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna hit Harold Andrew you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a pro bowler next year. But again, all these guys
Speaker 1: after Chub, you can pull holes in him. Yeah, assuming
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about this real but assuming he fell,
Speaker 1: would you take to Avenport? H I would, Yes, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think. Yeah, I think that's a That's one
Speaker 1: of those ones to me that you kind of look
Speaker 1: at the situation you say, well, hey, maybe we got
Speaker 1: a gift here. Yeah, you know, we got the raw guy,
Speaker 1: but you know the guy that you can get developed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm only going to do safety. I mean, if y'all
Speaker 1: desperately want us to do corner. We can do it
Speaker 1: at another time. But this team has a lot of corners.
Speaker 1: A lot of corners, yeah, a lot of corners, probably
Speaker 1: a deepest position. Yeah, I think so. Um players. I
Speaker 1: want to know about safety because if it's not Derwin
Speaker 1: James at nineteen, then I don't know where to draft
Speaker 1: a safety where it makes sense. I don't really, I
Speaker 1: don't have a firm grasp on that. I don't know
Speaker 1: trade back in value with golden but yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I would playim it free. Yeah, he's that nickel n
Speaker 1: You could do both. Yeah, I do too. He's kind
Speaker 1: of like if you talk about Fitzpatrick, I think the
Speaker 1: same thing. Knife. Yeah, you can play him on outside corner,
Speaker 1: pla him inside nickel you could let he could play free.
Speaker 1: No problem. People out here are the people are listening
Speaker 1: to us are struggling bad because now they're listening to
Speaker 1: to talk about Byron Jones. Look, I might move him
Speaker 1: to the corner. They might move and keep in say
Speaker 1: a good points. And I guess that people are tired
Speaker 1: of the hybrid player. Yeah I shouldn't say the hybrid player. No,
Speaker 1: they're like play put a guy to position in playing well,
Speaker 1: not especially here. You did a better job of clarifying that,
Speaker 1: because what I like is there just is there a safety.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a guy who can do, but like,
Speaker 1: is there just a safety that you feel good about
Speaker 1: other than maybe Derwin James, which honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be real non Harrison Alabama anywhere really well,
Speaker 1: or you would draft Harrison at nineteen No no, no,
Speaker 1: I said, you said safety feel good about you? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, So after Derwin James, who's your top
Speaker 1: strong safety's at Harrison? Yeah? It is? It is. I
Speaker 1: like Harrison and I like um Marcus Allen from Allen.
Speaker 1: I think both those guys are downhill. They're gonna they're
Speaker 1: strong tacklers. Bates from not strong Sade, but Bates from
Speaker 1: they go on the free side, bates From from Wake
Speaker 1: Forest and then but I like on the strong side too.
Speaker 1: The kid Kylie White White, Kylie White that Kylie fits
Speaker 1: is the m Yeah, but yeah, I think that the
Speaker 1: West Virginia kid. It's later again, it's not something I
Speaker 1: would I would think about. I think a player I
Speaker 1: like more than others is Jordan Whitehead. Yeah, the pit
Speaker 1: free safety, a guy yeah, I have him in the
Speaker 1: same the same scenario as White. He's a top. He's
Speaker 1: a top as Fleet, who I think is going to
Speaker 1: get better and better with pro coaching. So I think
Speaker 1: the top free safety after Derwin James, who I think
Speaker 1: Derwin James is both the free and strong is on
Speaker 1: my board. Jordan waited. There you go. If y'all were curious,
Speaker 1: you made me feel better about five positions, and you
Speaker 1: made me not really feel better about four half and half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: winning records exactly. Yeah. I don't know about the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, but yeah, winning record. All right, that's so well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick it with you though. We get about,
Speaker 1: like I say, probably six seven minutes if we could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just got a couple of questions and we'll try and
Speaker 1: not It's me Dane that usually we labors the point.
Speaker 1: But go ahead. Okay um. This is the abbreviated Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty the abbreviated uh okay um. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: since we didn't do quarterback, here's a question from Joel um.
Speaker 1: Is there an is there a mid round quarterback you
Speaker 1: feel good about in this class? And do you think
Speaker 1: this team could or should do that? We've kind of
Speaker 1: talked about a quarterback a little bit, but I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's I wait till after the combine. You know,
Speaker 1: Jeff and Katie and I to get him wrong, So
Speaker 1: go ahead and give us some right quarter quarterback. Kyle
Speaker 1: a Letta from Richmond, a guy that played really well
Speaker 1: to Senior Bowls. You know, he's a guy probably in
Speaker 1: that fifth round that you could bring in and feel
Speaker 1: good about him if you're looking for a wild card, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round that you just kind of rolled the dice.
Speaker 1: Chase Litton from Marshall. Uh. He's kind of the East
Speaker 1: Coast raw version of Josh Allen where you saw him
Speaker 1: the other day when we got big, well built athletes
Speaker 1: and he moves well, he's got a big arm, and
Speaker 1: the flashes, the highlights, they make you feel good about him.
Speaker 1: But he has no idea what he's doing out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he needs built from the ground up. So
Speaker 1: he's purely a developmental prospect, a guy that you just
Speaker 1: roll the dice on later in the draft. Sounds like
Speaker 1: a job for Kellen Moore. Um by the way, Oh nice,
Speaker 1: Uh okay, Actually y'all were talking about this. Y'all were
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit before the show started.
Speaker 1: Um Den's wants to know, who's a guy that you
Speaker 1: didn't like but you're having a change of heart. Who
Speaker 1: did I say, Pettis? Oh yeah, Pettis. Yeah. You go
Speaker 1: back and this is a long process, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: watch the tape and or you see him live and
Speaker 1: you actually helped you there a little bit. Well, you
Speaker 1: get an initial perspective on the player, uh, and that
Speaker 1: stays with you. And maybe you're just watching the right
Speaker 1: tape or in right tape and you know you it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to not to do this without getting opinions
Speaker 1: from other people. Sure, it's it can be valuable. I
Speaker 1: mean people you trust when broadness you tell me to
Speaker 1: you know you love player? Yeah, same with you. A
Speaker 1: lot of times. I'm gonna go back and watch more.
Speaker 1: See Okay, did I get something right? Maybe he just
Speaker 1: you know, likes him better than I do, and I
Speaker 1: Dante Pettis is one of those players, went back and
Speaker 1: watch more of him. He's a really good player. Um
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, and we talked about him earlier.
Speaker 1: I bumped them up a little bit based on my
Speaker 1: initial perspective of him. So did you have any of
Speaker 1: those guys that round Notre Dame. Yeah, I know. I
Speaker 1: gotten a discussion with you last year. You're right about
Speaker 1: the player equanimous Nimius Brown, Saint Brown, Saint Brown. Yes,
Speaker 1: there you go. Um here's the one from Daniel. Initially
Speaker 1: more surprising to you this Cowboys team taking a guard
Speaker 1: at nineteen or the Frederick pick at thirty one, four
Speaker 1: or five years ago, whatever that was. I was. I
Speaker 1: had a third round grade on Frederick. Yeah, itself positively floored. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See which I love doing this show because I think
Speaker 1: anybody that cares about the draft is mentally prepared for
Speaker 1: the prospect of drafting a guard in the first round. Yep.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was expecting a center to be
Speaker 1: the pick in the first round. What happened alone, what
Speaker 1: happened looked like could have been sheer disaster. Bail You
Speaker 1: bail and you don't get a second round pick is deflating.
Speaker 1: And you bail and you don't get a player that
Speaker 1: you thought was a second round player and got a
Speaker 1: cent and you got a center. Yeah that was. That
Speaker 1: was one of those days. And I remember going through
Speaker 1: it and lo and behold, Brian brought us raising my
Speaker 1: hand very wrong about Travis Frederick damn near everybody was
Speaker 1: um uncle Jerry. I might be putting y'all on the
Speaker 1: spot here, sorry, but I think it's interesting just who's
Speaker 1: a player offense defense who fits the Cowboys the best,
Speaker 1: regardless of need, regardless of whether or not they actually
Speaker 1: need that player. They're just a guy that's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he would kill in this in this scheme. I think
Speaker 1: it's Calvin Ridley again that hurts hurts, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he's how about he's the Z receiver. He makes Death better,
Speaker 1: he makes Ze better, he makes Dac better. He his impact,
Speaker 1: the ripple effect on the rest of the offense. That's
Speaker 1: to me why he would uh just be a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for what they do. How about James? It's safety Derwin? Yeah, James,
Speaker 1: mean you don't think maybe that safety is a need?
Speaker 1: It depends on what you do with Byron Jones. I
Speaker 1: think it is. You think it's a need? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: does it? Would you expect what's realistic expectations out of Derwin?
Speaker 1: James is a rookie, hey, because I think we were
Speaker 1: he's he's a potential pick. I mean, you're drafting him
Speaker 1: for who he's going to be two years from now.
Speaker 1: But as a rookie, what a realistic expectation. I think
Speaker 1: he could be an impact player as a rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think I think you know, and
Speaker 1: we we saw what with what Ramsey and those guys,
Speaker 1: I mean the Florida State kids. Usually those Florida State
Speaker 1: secondary guys, you can count on them. I'm okay with him,
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to like him initially. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, here's another one of those guys.
Speaker 1: You have to what's he what's he play? You watch him?
Speaker 1: He makes plays? Oh, he'd be a great He's got
Speaker 1: an attitude. Yeah, I'm a fan of I know. We
Speaker 1: got a question on Twitter earlier someone comparing him to
Speaker 1: Roy Williams and kind of worried about he's another Roy Williams's.
Speaker 1: Roy Williams was a good straight line athlete. Derwin James
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal is an athlete. He just cover Wait
Speaker 1: do you see a move his jumps? I mean he's
Speaker 1: gonna test way better than we will be talking about
Speaker 1: him one day there at the Combine, trust me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: uh one more real which this? Yeah, we got about
Speaker 1: another minute from offensive line. Same thing, But Caleb brings
Speaker 1: up a good point. I know this is the draft show,
Speaker 1: but linebacker you've just told us is not a deep
Speaker 1: position in the draft. Yeah, get some questions there. It's
Speaker 1: another spot where I think it would be smart to
Speaker 1: pick up a free agent. I know Caleb Caleb mentioned
Speaker 1: Derek Johnson. You know, he's going to be released by
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. He's a high profile name of I mean,
Speaker 1: he's University of Texas. He's a dinosaur by NFL standards,
Speaker 1: But that is still I mean, if the money's right,
Speaker 1: that's another spot where that's what the Cowboys love to do.
Speaker 1: You don't want to leave yourself with a hole where
Speaker 1: you need to draft a guy. Yeah, they do it.
Speaker 1: They've done a good job. Well they put it this way,
Speaker 1: protecting themselves. Yeah. Remember, I mean we would look at
Speaker 1: the you know what they did at running back before
Speaker 1: they drafted Zeke. Yeah, I mean exactly. That's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what they're m which I wonder, like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody has their doubts about Lee and Jalen being able
Speaker 1: to stay healthy, and I'm just curious to see if
Speaker 1: they they're they're eternal optimists. So do they see it
Speaker 1: as the dire need that I do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Will we can ask those questions? Got that coming up?
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you guys, appreciate all your hard work.
Speaker 1: Thank you Bronis. Let's go watch some more tape do
Speaker 1: it draft. She will be back Monday to AM, so
Speaker 1: stay tuned