1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,600 Speaker 1: Worrying. 2 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the Last of Us two 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: two through the Valley. Definitely watch it, watch, definitely. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Watch it first, guys, please. 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Hello, My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Nike 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: and welcome back to X Ray Vision of the podcast 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: where we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: of pop culture coming here from My Heart podcast, where 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: we'll bring you three episodes a week plus names Tuesday 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: plus Tuesday. 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: In today's episode, guys, I'm not even gonna say let's 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: just let's just talk about that. 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: Let's just get into okay, Episode two oh two of 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: The Last of Us. We open on Abby's nightmare, which 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: she's been having for five years now. She's entered the 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: Firefly Facility in Salt Lake City, these alarms going off, 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: and she's trying to tell herself, you don't want to 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: see what you're going to see. 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: Don't go in that room. 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: When you walk into the operating theater, you're gonna see 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: your dad in there with his brains blown out, So 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: don't go in there. And then, like as in every 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: nightmare that she has over these five years, she goes 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: in and is shattered. She wakes up there in that house. 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: Her and her crew who have been following her these 26 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: five years, Wow on this mission of I mean, that's 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: like a lot. 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I'd say that's a little. I feel like it's a 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a fire fly. 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: Get a fucking job, guys, truly like build a community, 31 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Like what is saving the world? Yeah, I guess we're 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: just like putting that aside. 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Yes, they're like, oh, there's no fireflies really because there's 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: like six of you here. I think you guys could 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: be doing something good, couldn't. Yes, Yeah, I do love. 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: I love that they're in the big resort launch though, 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of shit I love to see 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: in a post apocalyptic show. It's like I want to 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: see the weird unused buildings and how they are repurposed. 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: And I mean, I have to say, this is a 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: fantastic lookout that they found. 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: It is beautiful and in really good shit stuff. So 43 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: her crew has already been kind of scouting. Owen mainly 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: has been like looking at the town through there's a 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: lookout advantage point where they can outside the house where 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: they can kind of see patrols in the valley, and 47 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: then they can see it pretty well from the picture 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: windows there and the size of the town. It's obvious 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: resources how active it is. The fact that the layout 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: and the patrols suggest military experience all of the really 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: intimidates them. And you know, Owen's pointing out like even 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: if we get down there, even if we get through 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: the gates, even if we get inside, like past the dogs, 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: pass all the armed settlers, Like, how do we then 55 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: find Joel? We don't know who he is or where 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: he is, and et cetera. Abby is throwing around some 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: of the craziest options. Okay, what if we hijack a 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: patrol and then they like we casually torture them, casually 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: torture them, but like pretend that we're going to kill them, 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: but they were not going to wink wink, but we 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: might probably then we probably would, and then we h 62 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: and then we get Joel's locations that way, and then 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: one of them is like, okay, but what if and 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: then we just let the patrols go. Yeah, And Abby's 65 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: like males like the one who clearly is a doctor 66 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: who doesn't have any interest in the murdering and is very. 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: She's like, she's like, don't do it, Like I don't. 68 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I but we weren't hurting anyone other than Joel, you know, 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: but obviously that was a naive outlook I have to 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: say yes. 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: And so when Abby goes out, the rest of the 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: team is like, fuck, this is like a real Captain 73 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: quig a situation. We've got here, like what do we do? 74 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 2: You know, looking at the why at Jackson, You're thinking 75 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 2: we're gonna get killed. And Owen is like, my plan 76 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: that I mentioned is basically to try and convince Abby 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: to not do this. 78 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, very great plan. I gotta be honest, though, 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: Owen should have bought that plan in like two years ago. 80 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: I feel like you left, but. 81 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I get too late, Like you know, it's like again, 82 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: your dad's trying to save the world, and then he 83 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: and eighteen people get like murder. It was excessive, Like 84 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: Joel didn't need to kill the doctor. 85 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I know they do quite a good job. I'm not 86 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: gonna lie of kind of laying out how callous Joel 87 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: it was throughout this episode, but also I will say, 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: like the doctor did have Ellie laid up in there 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: with some old, rusty ass looking souls, like by the 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: time we die, I would probably be pissed through. 91 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: And one thing I want to mention before we get 92 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: too far into this, because we've we've forgotten this all 93 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: the mentions in season one and Game one and the 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: and you know, if you've played the game, you know 95 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: this as well. Of the decade plus that Joel spent 96 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: kind of in the wilderness before he ended up in 97 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Boston was in his own words, filled with rampant criminality. Yes, 98 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: and he murders that he refuses to describe, but is 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: you know, is clearly like borderline raider type stuff. Just 100 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: to like have that out there. Of course, Yeah, we 101 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: love Joel. He mellowed you. You know, he was like 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: teaching people teaching. 103 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: But you know, you're touching on one of the I 104 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: think the most powerful things about this episode and this 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: story that we are going to get into is the 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: the episode goes on absolutely okay. 107 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: So Jesse wakes up Ellie who is asleep in her 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: in her. 109 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: Garage, in her giant one bedroom apartment in the Apocalypse. Right, 110 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: We've got a lightful stuff and things. 111 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: Again, we do have a housing crisis in Jackson, but 112 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: that's maybe not anymore actually anyway, so it is you know, 113 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: it's the morning after New Year's Eve, so this is 114 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: she's got Jesse's like, listen, I need you for last 115 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: minute patrol and I'm sorry. You know, I know what 116 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: a tough morning this is for everybody. Ellie then admits like, hey, 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry about what happened. I kissed Tina and Jesse 118 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: acts like he's mad, and then he reveals that he's 119 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: not mad, but then is he mad? Like he's really 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: playing with her. 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: And it's having a lot of fun. It's very clear 122 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: that these two are really close. It's also clear that 123 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: Jesse is like one of the more sensible people and 124 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: the zombie apocalypse, Like can he really afford to be 125 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: emotionally upset that his girlfriend he broke up with a 126 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: week ago kiss someone else. No, he's going to go 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: on patrol, like, but it is fun to see that 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: playfulness between them, and I also love when he knocks 129 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: on door and Ellie comes out. She's obviously hungover and 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: she's feeling tired, and she's like, what do you want 131 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: and he's like, I want you to, you know, do 132 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: your civil judy for the people of Jackson Hall, Like, 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: is it really fun, fun banter between the two of them. 134 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: As they walk to the gate that they're going to 135 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: leave from, they notice the town is like really gearing up. 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: It's going on alert. Of course, there's the infected that 137 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: have been sighted nearby, but also there's a recent find 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: in which the town learned that infected or kind of 139 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: hibernating under like a layer of frozen dead infected under 140 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: the snow. 141 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: To keep them insulated so they don't freeze. 142 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: And so some a one patrol got chased by thirty infected, 143 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: which is a lot and this plus Ellie's news about 144 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: the potential smart infected, has everyone on edge. Ellie then says, well, 145 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: I want to patrol, but I don't want to patrol 146 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: with you. I want to patrol with Joel. Jesse's like, 147 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: I thought you hate Joel, and she's like, yeah, but 148 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: you know it's complicated, like it's a father daughter relationship and. 149 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're Ellie and Joel and it's never gonna change. 150 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: And I also love that. Like she's probably thinking about 151 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: how last night he knocked out a homophobe for her, 152 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: and she's like, well, Sef, She's like, maybe I could 153 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: have been a bit more like appreciative, Like that's my 154 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: cranky dad, Like I'd like to go on a patrol 155 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: with him. Maybe I can fix things, but alas it's 156 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: too nice. 157 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: So we see Tommy brief the town about current events. 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: This is makes you feel really good actually about Tommy's 159 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: stewardship of the town and the council stewardship of the town. 160 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: Oh, he's done a great job. 161 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: You know, basically his whole messages, Hey, everybody, stay alert 162 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: if you hear whistles, if you hear bells, go to 163 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: your ready station if you're one of the armed defenders 164 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: of the town, and get ready to shelter in place, 165 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: if you are one of the civilians whose job it 166 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: is to watch the kids and watch the people who 167 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: can't fight. Maria then and I think another important scene 168 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: that again sets up the idea that this is how 169 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: you stop yes cycle, This is how you stop these conflicts. 170 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: And this is how socialism could work. After we was 171 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: saying they gave it a bad name, I feel like 172 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: they're coming through looking a little bit more organized, a 173 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: little bit they're sensible. 174 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 2: There's there's a there's So Maria takes Ellie to Seth 175 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: and Seth gives a very heartfelt and sincere, like you 176 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: feel like it's a sincere apology, like a clearly sincere one, 177 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: and Ellie doesn't really give anything back, and it's unclear 178 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: like how she receives this very sincere I feel like apology, 179 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: but you also kind of feel like the fact that 180 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: she didn't reject it out of. 181 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: Hell, I was gonna say the fact that I think 182 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: she respects Maria and to not just tell him to 183 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: go fuck himself, which is a very elly thing to do. Annie. 184 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: You know, I like the notion that he makes her 185 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: and Jesse these steak sandwiches, like as the ecology. It's 186 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: these little moments and it feels like, okay, like this 187 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: is how Maria and Tommy have kept this place going 188 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: for so this. 189 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: Is how we this is how we move forward, you know, 190 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: this is how we even something like Dina and Jesse 191 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: in a heavily armed society, right their breakup, the various 192 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: breakups that happen that must be happening, and various romances 193 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: and petty feuds. It must be happening in a town 194 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: the size of Jackson, because everybody's armed, like very dangerous, 195 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: and the fact that the town takes it seriously about like, 196 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: let's squash all this stuff. Let's talk about it, and 197 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: let's squash it. Let's move forward. I think it's really 198 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: is really important, and it had me thinking as this 199 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: episode intensifies, like what alternate universe, how could Abby get recourse? 200 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: Like what would justice? What is a version? What is 201 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: a process by which they could get and feel as 202 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: if they were satisfied and seeking just I mean. 203 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: It's yeah, let's talk about it. 204 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it. 205 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: Get interesting because one of the things that I think 206 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: could be the recourse already happens in this episode when 207 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: we talk about an eye for an eye, you know 208 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So let's yeah, let's keep talking 209 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: about it. 210 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: So Abby is on lookout. She sees a patrol approaching. Meanwhile, 211 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: weather is starting to pick up and get very dangerous 212 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: and it starts to interfere with communications. Tommy sends word out, 213 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: everybody come back in patrols head in. Jesse and Ellie 214 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: are too far out, so they have to shelter in 215 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: place Eugene, the late Eugene Gil's ex former partner, now deceased. 216 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: They shelter at his former grow house. 217 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: Seven to eleven grow house. 218 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: I'd love this seven eleven grow house. From the way 219 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: Jesse talks about Eugene, it really does seem like Jiel 220 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: had to put Eugene down after he got bit or 221 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: infected in some other way. 222 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: And I thought something interesting was, like Ellie is clearly 223 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: quite emotionally like connected to that death, Like when she 224 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: finds Eugene's kind of dog tags, she have his firefly 225 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: dog tags. She thinks a lot about it, and they 226 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: have to have that conversation. And I think because that 227 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: represents a side of Joel that she doesn't want to 228 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: think about, you know, the side that was able to 229 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: go into that hospital and do what she knows he did. 230 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: Abby is tracking this patrol, but then as she's kind 231 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: of like watching it with clearly with the idea that like, okay, 232 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: I'll just ambush them myself. Yeah, and it's just two people, 233 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: so she feels like it's doable, she falls down a hill. 234 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: She ends up in a field with frozen infected that 235 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: turns out to be one of these hibernation sites with 236 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: like the it's a mound basically of infected under a 237 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: layer of frozen infected, and the field just starts to 238 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: move and stir, and all of a sudden she is 239 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: running from a growing horde of infected. She gets into 240 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: like a walled area, looks like maybe it was a 241 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: power plant or you know, some other building that is 242 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: in the area that's not Jackson. She goes over it. 243 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: She's running through the streets. This is an incredible sequence. 244 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: It's so scary. It's so scary. 245 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: She gets trapped between a fallen chain link fence and 246 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: like the ground in a wall, and she's like scurrying along, 247 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: scurrying along, scurry along. She's really about to fucking die. 248 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: Buy it. 249 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: She's about to die when a hand reaches down, shoots 250 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: the infected that's following her, pulls her up on her 251 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: feet and gets her inside this big again. It looks 252 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: like a power plant or something, or factory. Inside this 253 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: big factory, they close the doors. I believe it's a mine, 254 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: a mine mine, yeah, And it's Joel. He has saved 255 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: her life. And the fact that Dina then says Joel 256 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: calls out to him immediately, Abby is like, oh fuck, 257 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: it's him. Yeah, And she convinces them to head up 258 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: to the lodge where her armed friends are. Let's take 259 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: a quick break and then we'll be back with it. 260 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: Back to the lodge, back to the launch. 261 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: We're back. Tommy's in the radio room with Amy, who 262 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: runs communications. He gets the news that all the patrols 263 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: are account of work except for Joel and Dina, and 264 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: he's extremely concerned. He makes Amy get on the radio 265 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: and you know, basically call out for them every ten 266 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: seconds until he gets word. Shortly thereafter, Amy gets Jesse 267 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: and Ellie on the radio and they learned that Joel 268 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: and Dina haven't checked in, so they head out to 269 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: go look to see what's going on. Meanwhile, in the town, 270 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: work is continuing on the pipes. One of the workers 271 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: discovers the fungal tentacles in the pipes, which we've. 272 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: Which we've been trying to tell about everybody, guys, nobody 273 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: believed us. 274 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, back up the hill, Joel, Dina and Abbey are 275 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: fleeing on horseback from a massive horde and there's another 276 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: hoard up on the hillside and it converges with the 277 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: first one. And now you've got this like just huge. 278 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: I would estimated it. I would estimate it maybe the 279 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: low thousands were like high hundreds. 280 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's almost like an avalanche of effect 281 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of very very scary by falling down and 282 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: now they are awake, they're falling, and of course Abby 283 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: is desperate for them to go to the lodge, whereas 284 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Joel is starting and Dina definitely is sassab Abby from 285 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: the stars. 286 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: She's mighty a little bit us. 287 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 288 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, This horde is so huge that the Jackson watchtowers 289 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: pick it up pretty quickly. They see it in the 290 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: distance and it's heading straight for the town. They ring 291 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: the alarm, plan goes into action. People are heading towards 292 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: rooftops with guns. 293 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Blowing the zombies up, which Joel sees. 294 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, young younger citizens. Unarmed citizens are going into basements. 295 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: Joel is like, let's go back. We got to figure 296 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: out how we can help fight, but Abby's like, no, no, no, 297 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: up the hill at the lodge. My friends have weapons 298 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: and we're really like we can help you, like, we 299 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: can help you fight through the horde and get in there, 300 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: and yeah yeah, And so Joel agrees. The Joel of 301 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: five years ago would have picked this up. But the 302 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: Joel right now has lost a step and he is 303 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: so focused on what's going on at Jackson. 304 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: That he just and he's overly he's overly unsuspicious of 305 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: young women, like he saved this gal he Aaron. 306 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: Is saying, and wants to take care of Dina by 307 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: delivering her to a lodge of strange armack. 308 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: Aaron's like, she's cold. 309 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: Okay, she's really cold. Yeah, I mean he's just like 310 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: not thinking it. 311 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Through now, he's not as suspicious as he should be. 312 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. In Jackson, it's a fucking battle scene. 313 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: The Hordes are at the walls, they're they're setting them fire, 314 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: they're shooting them. But then a Bloater arrives on the scene. 315 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: The Hordes starts shifting and Tommy's like, oh shit, this 316 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: means one of the bosses is here and it's a bloater. 317 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: Tommy has the defense shift to the part of the 318 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: wall where the bloater is going to attack because they 319 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: know how strong these things are and they know that 320 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: it's going to come through. Bloater busts down the wall. 321 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: Half of Tommy's flamethrowers squad runs away. Hey guys, we're 322 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: going to talk about this in the council meeting. If 323 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: we all survive, let me just mention that Okay, we're 324 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: gonna discuss this. This is gonna be what do you 325 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: what do you do? Like, what is your dereliction of duty? 326 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: I I mean obviously like we're not executing people. We're 327 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: not that kind of town. 328 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: And also it doesn't you need people to protect. But 329 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: that's kind. 330 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: But I think that there's gotta be whether it's increased training, 331 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: whether it's like re you know, rerouting you to a 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: different area of responsibility. 333 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: I think reassignment to a non frontline situation. 334 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: Because if you can't be there in that moment, then 335 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: well we got yeah, what are you doing? We got problems? 336 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: So as we will learn the flamethrowers are a good 337 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: weapon against that, you could have good different So. 338 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: It's Tommy and one other guy. After half the squad 339 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: runs away and they're just you know, burning infected or 340 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: getting up onto the rooftops. They're getting at the defenders. 341 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: It this is there's gonna be casualties here. It's looking 342 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: honestly at best, the coin flip that they make it 343 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: out of us like it's looking bad. The bloater starts 344 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: heading from Maria's rooftop. Tommy goes in. He distracts the bloater, 345 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: gets it to chase him. He finds himself trapped in 346 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: a back alley with the bloater, just him and the bloater, 347 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: and he just starts going grilled mushroom. 348 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's grilling that mushroom. It's on it's the 349 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: vegetarian option on the barbecue. That mushroom is I think grilled. 350 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: I bet you it smells good. 351 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: You was thinking that too. I was wandering like, does 352 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: it smell delicious? But also has five years of you know, 353 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: or however long of zombie apocalypse twelve fifteen, twenty years 354 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: of zombie poplar? Has it made mushrooms that usually smell delicious? 355 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Is that like I smell you hate now, Yeah. 356 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: That's what's smelling. You probably hate it at this. 357 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: Point, but that's what it would probably smell delicious. 358 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: That's what I was imagining, A wonderful like kebab of 359 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: grilled mushrooms, Like grilled mushrooms with some garlic. 360 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're in Zelda, like. 361 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: We're just doing some cooking and Zelda and Tommy like 362 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: goes right down to like he he's at burns all 363 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: his fuel on this bloater, which drops dead like at 364 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: his feet. 365 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 2: It's very close. The fighting is just general street to street. 366 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: Now Maria goes releases the dogs, and the dogs turn 367 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: the tide and we gotta gotta gotta take care of 368 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: these dogs. 369 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: That credit because I'm saying that's like maybe the dog 370 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: should have gone out fust that could have been a 371 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: different situation. 372 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: Let's credit these dogs. 373 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: Please give them a medal. 374 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: Up at the lodge, the horses arrive. Oh, you know, 375 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: everybody comes in. Joel is like, hey, everybody, get you 376 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: ready to go in five minutes, giving orders like minutes, 377 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: three minutes. Abby gives oh in the signal like this, 378 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: and Joel his weight is just staring down at the 379 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: like he's focused. And here he's you know. Dina is 380 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: now even more suspicious. She's seeing their packs and how 381 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: organized they are. 382 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: This is a problem and it's not like a cozy 383 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: like you're not trying to stay in here for the way. 384 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: Why are they absolutely and before she can raise the alarm, 385 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: Manny takes teena hostage gun to the head. They take Joel. 386 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: Joel immediately almost right away, kind of knows that this 387 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: is about him, whether it's his own guilt about all 388 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: the many terrible things that he's done exactly exactly Salt Lake, 389 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 2: or or just a general like my luck had to 390 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: give out at some point. He he's strangely accepting of 391 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: this situation. Almost right away, he goes very cold, and 392 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: he kind of realizes. 393 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: But then I love the choices that they make with 394 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: the way they reveal the information where Abby kind of goes, oh, 395 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: her name's Dina, and then she goes and this is Joel, 396 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: and suddenly all the fireflies in the room. 397 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows, he knows it's about him, and he. 398 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: Says, this is one of my favorite and most horrific moments, 399 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: which is he goes, I say. He's like, he tries 400 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: to say it, and that desperate like emotion. She's like, 401 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: I saved your life, and she says what kind of 402 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: life and then turns around and just shoots him in 403 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: the leg with a shotgun. Yeah, and then that's it. 404 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: It begins. 405 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: So, uh, they threatened murder Dina, who they've knocked out 406 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: with like some kind. 407 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: Of propofol maybe. 408 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: And anesthetic, and they begin to torture Joel. Abby then 409 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: is like, you're gonna admit everything you did and all 410 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: the people you killed, who and the doctor who is 411 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: my dad. And there's a great moment where you see 412 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: Joel kind of nod a little bit like he's like, yes, 413 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: I did all. That's like he's acknowledging, he says. 414 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: She says where she says, if you tell me the 415 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: truth about this one question, I won't kill Dina mel 416 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: is once again very upset, like what you're talking about. 417 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 2: Going to kill thee Like just like, don't go on. 418 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: A quest for vengeance via murder because this is always 419 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And they and he she says, where was 420 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: the last place you saw the fireflies? And he says 421 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: He's like see you know. 422 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: He She's like kind of speechifying a little bit. And 423 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: then he's just like just fucking it. 424 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: He's like, shut the farmer, like just fuck into it. 425 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 2: So she's she works on him for a while with 426 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 2: a golf. 427 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: She's hitting him with the golf club on the shotgun wound, 428 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: and then we also see her just punching him in 429 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: the face like hand to hand. Everyone the fireflies are 430 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: not loving it. Manny, he's kind of into it, but 431 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: otherwise they're all looking kind of sick of it. Like 432 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: especially it is like just fucking just shoot the guy. 433 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: Shoot the fucking guy. 434 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: Ellie has tracked the horses here and she gets taken hostage, 435 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: and she then is forced to watch the final like 436 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: coup de gras of this in which as she is 437 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 2: begging for Joel's life and begging for him to stand up, 438 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: Abby stabs him with the the broken shaft of the 439 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: golf club through his neck and she dies. It's an 440 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: immediate catalytic moment in which Ellie goes from you know, 441 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: desperate and sad, to like like a rage monster. 442 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: She's promising, Yeah, I'm gonna she's going to kill every. 443 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: Single person in the room. Yeah, And the only reason 444 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: they leave her alive is because they're leg. 445 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, they don't fucking know. Oh, give me 446 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: a break. I find the whole I found very interesting 447 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: because I did think, like, didn't you know why Joel 448 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: killed everyone? Because it was probably this girl? We do. Also, 449 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: there's an important mention here where Abby, when she is 450 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: torturing Joel says, yeah, there's no fireflies left. But now 451 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: I'm in a Seattle militia and I would tell you 452 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: not to go there, but that's not gonna happen because 453 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to make it out of here. So 454 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: we know that the Fireflies have kind of, or at 455 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: least this group of fireflies had a transition to something else, 456 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: like a militia. Now they're not about saving the world, 457 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: they're about who knows, but we'll find out soon. 458 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: So we go to Jackson where we see the outcome 459 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: of this battle. We see a resident who got bit 460 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: basically handing over his pistol and being like, just take 461 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: me out. And we're seeing clean up in the streets 462 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: and dead bodies everywhere, and it's really bad, but Tommy 463 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: and Maria made it. 464 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get that emotional moment, and then we 465 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: see Jesse and Dina riding back. Dina is alive, she's awake. 466 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: Jesse has a kind of now tonic Ellie almost who 467 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: can't move on the horse, and behind them they're dragging 468 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: Joel's body. 469 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: The body of Joel. Let's take a quick break and 470 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: we'll come back to topic, and we're back just be harrowing. 471 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: An incredible episode of television. 472 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: I think one of the Hilans with it's one of 473 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: the best from the season. I also think, you know, 474 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: we were all having this conversation as people who have 475 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: played the game, When are they going to do it? 476 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: How are they gonna do it? I think this was 477 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: a great choice as a televisual narrative because I think 478 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: establishing where Joel and Ellie were in episode one and 479 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: then allowing us to get to know Abby the great 480 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: missdirect with Joel's saving Abby and kind of making us 481 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: rooting for Abby as she's running away from these infected 482 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: if you don't know who Abby is, you know, and 483 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: watching this as a television viewer and then having that 484 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: that turnaround is just unbelievable. I mean, especially because they 485 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: also once they get to the lodge, they allow you 486 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: to think for a moment that there's a raider element 487 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: to this or there's not going to go where it goes, 488 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: and then when she shoots him in the leg, you're like, oh, okay, yeah, 489 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean Harrow being like absolute fucking bummer to watch 490 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: this last night and then have to watch it again 491 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: this morning and just be like, oh, my fucking god, 492 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: but it's so good, Like it's so fantastic, And this 493 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: is how you are supposed to feel in this moment 494 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: of the story. You're supposed to feel devastated. 495 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: It's it's absolutely devastating, and Abby's, yeah, five years is 496 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: a long time to be like looking for one person, 497 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 2: like and I think it speaks to how much which 498 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: you know, her rage and not just her rage, but 499 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: there's like a specific kind of rage that she's feeling, 500 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: which is it's not just heartbreak, it's a feeling that 501 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 2: like something really really unjust has happened and whoever has 502 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: done it is simply going to get away with it. Yeah, 503 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: And I was led again to wonder because they've dropped 504 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 2: these moments with Gail and with Seth and with Maria's 505 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 2: kind of mediation between Seth and Ellie, like these moments 506 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: of like, how could you stop this? Because people are 507 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: going to argue, people are going to be in conflict, 508 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: people are going to disagree about this, that and the other. 509 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: So how do you stop it from spiraling into tit 510 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: for tat murder and worse exactly? And so because that's 511 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: what has been set off now, it's like this is 512 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: not fucking over by any means, right, this is going 513 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: to continue. And you know, it made me think, like 514 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: what is justice won? Justice probably would have been you 515 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: tell Joel everything, all your grievances. He doesn't lie as 516 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: he didn't there and then you shoot him, you don't 517 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: torture him exactly. That is some kind of justice or 518 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: but what is what is the non violent version? 519 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: Is there a violent version? Is he saves your life 520 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: first of all, which is in the kind of wild 521 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: world of the zombie apocalypse, is the closest you're going 522 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: to get to some kind of recourses. He took someone 523 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: from you, but he gave you your life. And then 524 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: I think as well, it would be like some kind 525 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: of counsel trial and bringing that group into Jackson, giving 526 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: them the chance to live a healthy, like kind of 527 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: secluded life, and Joel being on some kind of like 528 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't get to go out and do 529 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: the violent things that he's done. He has to become 530 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: the mechanic. He has to make up for it. I 531 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: think there's versions of it, but from Abby and the 532 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: way that she feels about this, it will never turn 533 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: out that way, you know, And I think it's kind 534 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: of the one line I thought was kind of funny 535 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: was when Abby was like I was nineteen years old, 536 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, Babe, Ellie's only just turned nineteen. 537 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: That's kind of old nowadays, Like I don't want to think, yeah, 538 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm like that you were not some young babe like 539 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: we have all been surviving the apocalypse. But no, I 540 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: think like I think something that to me is very 541 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: resonant about this, and I think is a really great 542 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: way of making the audience kind of complicit in the 543 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: conversation and in the actions, is like, we care about 544 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: Joel and Ellie because we are invested in their story. 545 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: And when Joel killed all of those people and saved 546 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Ellie while we were horrified by it, especially on this pod, 547 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: we talked quite extensively about the way they brought it 548 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: to life, which I felt was very well done and responsible. Actually, 549 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: we still joined the episode season two, We still watched them, 550 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: we were still invested in their relationship. And I think 551 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: what's really interesting here is like, we hate Abby because 552 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: she kills Joel, but her actions here are not different 553 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: than what Joel did in that hospital. But we still 554 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: supported Joel. You know, I think there's this interesting conversation. 555 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: I support I support Abby in everything except torturing Joel 556 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: for that long. 557 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you see here. 558 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: I mean I do think that you know that in 559 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: this world, according to the rules of it, no justice 560 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: system she got the right guy. He did the things 561 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: that he did. I think she's perfectly justified in wanting 562 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: him dead and killing him. 563 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 564 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: The question is does that solve anything? And you know, 565 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: I think clearly no, right, I think no. I think 566 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: there's another like what was so? I was thinking, Okay, 567 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: what if you have Jeel hostage in the lodge, you 568 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: send somebody with like a white flag down to Jackson 569 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: and you say, we have Joel, we accuse him of 570 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: doing this, that and the other, and we want to 571 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: put him on trial. 572 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: Well, also because there would be a huge uproar about that, 573 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: there is not a lot of transparency around what happened 574 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: when Joel left to sort like city with Ellie. Nobody 575 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: knows about Ellie being immune apart from you know, a 576 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: small group of people. I think that Joel having to 577 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: like live with the shame and having a trial and 578 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: the I think that that would have been a reasonable 579 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: and probably quite punishing experience for Joel. 580 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you've gotta, yeah, you've got to explain to 581 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: people that, oh, sorry, Jackson in these conditions, yeah, kind 582 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: of because Joel murdered a bunch of people exactly. 583 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: I think the problem here is Abby is so obsessed 584 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: with this kind of cathartic killing of Joel that she 585 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: even like putting off the people who are in her corner. 586 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: The people who wanted this to happen and have supported 587 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: her in it for five years, are even kind of 588 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: shocked by the lengths that she will go. You know, 589 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: this is a and it's not gonna solve anything, you know, 590 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: now as and we'll talk about the discourse, but like 591 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: now the as you may have guessed after this episode, 592 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: the thrust of the show is going to be Ellie 593 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: trying to get her revenge on Abby, and that is 594 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: the plot of the game, and that is where this 595 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: is going. And it's been kind of funny to see 596 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: people be like, oh, I can't believe it's just like 597 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: a revenge plot and they killed Joel And that's the game, guys. 598 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: You know what it's like. It's adapting what it's adapting 599 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: and in the game, it's an incredibly powerful and interesting 600 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: exploration of that and it will be very intriguing to 601 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: see where they go and also how much they can tell. 602 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: Because we only have five episodes it's left of this season. 603 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: It's a seven episode season, so it's very short. Yes, 604 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: very short, and it's gonna be interesting to see where 605 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: they leave us, what kind of cliffhangers we get. Also, 606 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: I will say, and this was something that super produced 607 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: Joe'll put in the notes and I think is very true. 608 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the questions around when this would happen 609 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: were tied to the fact that Pedro Pascal is so 610 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: unbelievably fantastic as Joel that you don't really want to 611 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: not have him, you know. And I'm sure HBO execs 612 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: were like crying at the idea of letting go of 613 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: him just before he's gonna be the you know, mister 614 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: fantastic and he's at the peak of his powers. But 615 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you know who's got the juice in this show, Gabriel 616 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: Luna as Tommy. 617 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: So I'm saying he's quite good. Well, let me just 618 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: say I think that regarding that the shocking death of 619 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: another character on an HBO television program, it was interesting 620 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: to me that before the episode they played that the 621 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: marketing voiced by Colin Farrell, I believe the penguin. I 622 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: don't know if you got this marketing, but and it's 623 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: basically him going through the whole little thirty to forty 624 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: five second piece is about how this is what HBO 625 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: slash Max is drama and shocks and I didn't think 626 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 2: that person would die and oh I can't believe that happened. 627 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 2: So they really leaned into it ahead of this episode. Yeah, 628 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: and I really think this is kind of like this 629 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: is as shocking and as crazy it as it is, 630 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: and this is the brand. This is what HBO does 631 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: is storytelling. 632 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna be probably the biggest shock for non game players, 633 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: since this is very. 634 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: Just you can't believe it, surely if you're not playing 635 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: the game, if you haven't played the game, you would 636 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: not believe it. 637 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also we I mean we got people in 638 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: the DMS of our X ray vision you know space 639 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: where we were just like people were like, oh my god, 640 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: is this real? And I think they play into that 641 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: really well as well in the episode, because we have 642 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: this incredible I mean, Bella Ramsey give Bella that mma. 643 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: They are amazing in this role. And I think that 644 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: when they are, when you know, Ellie is saying like 645 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: get up, Joel, get up. We've seen him do that before. 646 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: We've seen him kind of come back from these almost 647 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: super heroic acts because he loves her, he wants to 648 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: protect her, he can come back, he can look after 649 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: and here we don't get that, and I think they're 650 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: playing into that idea of people have been asking me, Hey, 651 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: is there any way he doesn't die this season, Like 652 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: multiple people asked me that, and I was like, there's 653 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: absolutely no way, because it's such a huge part of 654 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: what made the game so iconic and so controversial and 655 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: so kind of within the public consciousness in the gaming community. 656 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's happened. We got five episodes left, 657 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: that's what we got to see. I mean, I also 658 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: love that in our discord, we were having so many 659 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: people who were saying they felt like they were watching, 660 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Battle of the Bastards. They were stood 661 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: in front of their TV waiting incredible action, just an 662 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: incredible action episode. But at the same time, you're waiting, 663 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: you're waiting, You're waiting because if you know, then you know. 664 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: And yeah, I have to say everyone who questioned whether 665 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: Caitlin Diava would have the juice as Abby because she's 666 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: not super bar or whatever like she is in the game, 667 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: She's got the juice. This woman has just become the 668 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: most instantly hated character on TV. Some of our big 669 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets fans, they said, Oh, I never thought i'd 670 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: find someone I hated more than Shanna Shipman, but here 671 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: she is. It's Abby. So yeah, I think that they Honestly, 672 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: I think for me, they they maybe even exceeded my 673 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: expectations because I think that length of time they spent 674 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: with Abby and the just pure rage and fury that 675 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: she had, and also the resignedness that Pedro Perscal brought 676 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: to this with Joel, there was just so much about 677 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: it that worked for me. I think this is like 678 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: a fantastic episode of television. And yeah, super producer Aaron said, 679 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, he thinks it's probably one of his favorite 680 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: episodes of TV of all time, and I think that 681 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: that is just so huge. He's a sicko, he said, 682 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: I love that. I love to see that torture Anna. Okay, 683 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: what do you think? How did you feel? Let's talk 684 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: just quickly about a couple of game changes. 685 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 4: Okay, put on your spoiler as we're going to talk 686 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 4: about some game changes and how things changed in the 687 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 4: show that were different in the game and how it 688 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 4: might impact what's going on. 689 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: So put on your spoiler. A MOFs. If you do 690 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: not want to be spoiled or you have not played 691 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: the game, how do you feel like Joel's death compared 692 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: to the game, you know where he gets. 693 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 2: I think it was I think it was well done. 694 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: I was I worried that it was going to be 695 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: a lot more graphic and drawn. 696 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were emotionally and also the imagination 697 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: was kind of wase. 698 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: I agree, and I think there you know, I think 699 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: all the changes they've made have been, you know, really positive. 700 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: I think the casting of Hate Deaver one of these 701 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: things that I think a lot of people and we've 702 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 2: been I've been kind of griping about, like any of 703 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 2: the gamer centric adaptation discourse and I can hate, and 704 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 2: specifically around the casting of the show, I think Dever 705 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 2: was like awesome, She's so good and she brings an intensity. Yeah, 706 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: and it's a hard role, right because you're gonna hate 707 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 2: this person. We're gonna hate her for her doing a 708 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 2: justified in her mind and honestly and again the us 709 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: of this world, Yeah, justified thing. We're still gonna hate her. 710 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: And I think she carries the emotions of that character 711 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: and the motivations of that character in a way that 712 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: is both like you're entranced by how angry and single 713 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: minded she is, and you also understand like I get it. 714 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. Also, I think it's a brave thing 715 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: to take on that role. And you might be like, oh, 716 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: is it like she's an actor. No, I'm sorry. If 717 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: you're a woman taking on a role of a character 718 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: who's gonna kill from a video game, from a video 719 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: first of all, and he is then going to kill 720 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: the main character of the show, you know that that 721 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: is not going to be enjoyable experience living outside of 722 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: that character. But I have to say I think she 723 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: did an incredible job. I would be interested to see 724 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 1: if this is going to be a role that gets 725 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: her into awards contention. We've obviously seen how video game 726 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: players and no video game players have reacted. Obviously people 727 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: are losing that shit if they didn't play the game, 728 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: another big game change. How did you feel about it 729 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: being Dina instead of Tommy who went with Joel on 730 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: the patrol. 731 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: I liked it. I thought it made a lot of sense. 732 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 2: I thought it made you kind of I think it 733 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 2: made you have an emotionally stronger reaction to Yeah, I'm 734 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: taking Dina hostage to uh, you know, as Aaron said, like, 735 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: there's also that aspect of Joel wanting to protect Dina exactly. 736 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: I think that is a big part. And I think 737 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: if Tommy was that, you also don't know if he 738 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: would have saved Abby in the same way. Like everything 739 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: about this emotional space he's in is. 740 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 2: I think there's a world in which if Tommy and 741 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 2: Jewel walk into that room, you're like, why didn't they 742 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 2: kill everybody? 743 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, the two of them together, Like so I 744 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: think I like your I like it too. I also 745 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: think I think it adds a really interesting kind of 746 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: wrinkle into the Ellie and Dina relationship because that is 747 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: obviously she has now lost this person and Dina has 748 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: been through this incredibly traumatic situation. I also love the 749 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: Tommy Maria stuff that we get here in the Battle 750 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: of Jackson holl and how we kind of see Tommy 751 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: really come into that leadership space. He's such a good, 752 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: incredible kind of stronghold for this community. I thought that 753 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: was great. I also think the likelihood of us getting 754 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: some Joel flashbacks are very high, even though we don't 755 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: have a very long amount of time, And I do 756 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: think one of them is probably we will see him 757 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: probably tell Tommy what he did with the fireflies, which 758 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: is something you see happen in the game, but we 759 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen here, so I think that will be interesting. 760 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: But yes, I'm very interested to see where the Tommy 761 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: and Ellie relationship goes after this. I'm interested to see 762 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: where the Jesse, Dina and Ellie relationship goes, which actually 763 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: I think as well, the three of them being the 764 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: ones who go there get him back, Dina being involved 765 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,919 Speaker 1: that is going to cement that bond between the three 766 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: of them, which we know is a huge part. And yeah, 767 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 1: some I know some things people are really excited about. 768 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: And the discord was the flamethrowers. 769 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: I've looked. 770 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: It's like the bottle, Yes, the bottle. Last episode. Also 771 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: a nice little tidbit for you here is that Ashley Johnson, 772 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: who originally voiced Ellie in the video game, sings the 773 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: closing song that they play as they drag Joel's body 774 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: back to Jackson Hole. 775 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 2: Also the waitress who is saved by Captain America. And yeah, 776 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 2: Marbles the Avengers. 777 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: Iconic iconic role. 778 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: Okay, that's it for game spoilers and that's it for 779 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 2: our episode. What an incredible, heartbreaking, unbelievable stuff, just like 780 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 2: gut punch of an episode of television. This week on 781 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 2: extra Vision, we're recapping the first three episodes of and 782 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 2: Or season two, and folks, the show is amazing, unbelievable. Thursday, 783 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: join us for our Thunderbolts book Club, and then a Friday, 784 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 2: we've got the Producer's Jedi Roundtable, in which we are 785 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 2: going to go deep on the return of and Or 786 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 2: on Saturday. Don't forget your news. That's it for this episode. 787 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Bye x ray Vision is hosted by 788 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 2: Jason Concepcion and Rosie Night and is a production of 789 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts. 790 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 791 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. 792 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag. 793 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 794 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 795 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 796 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: Heidi our Discord moderate them