Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, a
Speaker 3: SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger,
Speaker 1: and we talk SVU. We talk crimes, We have celeb guests,
Speaker 1: but first we chit chat. What's up? What just happens?
Speaker 1: Is up? Girl? Well, you and I just got back
Speaker 1: from a very fun first I'm still out on the road.
Speaker 1: You're still on the road. Well, I mean I'm back
Speaker 1: because at the TMU part of it's over, you're still
Speaker 1: doing some stand up. But we just got back from
Speaker 1: a fun first leg of our tour. We're so excited.
Speaker 1: It went really great. Everybody was so awesome. We had
Speaker 1: a I had a great time. Like we loved seeing
Speaker 1: everybody in the Carolina in North Carolina and where were
Speaker 1: the fuck else were we? Nashville was a great show.
Speaker 1: We do have one we say about Nashville.
Speaker 2: You guys, we saw a line like twenty thirty people
Speaker 2: deep trying to take photos next to angel wings painted
Speaker 2: on the side of a wall.
Speaker 1: What it's so crazy to me. I know it's for
Speaker 1: social media and whatever. We're all ill with our social media.
Speaker 1: But like in La there's like ninety of those angel
Speaker 1: wings everywhere. You can like take them, take a picture
Speaker 1: of them anywhere, And so it was weird that there
Speaker 1: was just like one set that every that are famous,
Speaker 1: that everybody wanted to go to.
Speaker 2: People were also doing it wrong, like seven people polish
Speaker 2: in front of the wings and it's like, no, the
Speaker 2: whole point is like one person stands and it looks
Speaker 2: like their wings. So like seven of you just wanted
Speaker 2: to be near the wings, not even an optical illusion.
Speaker 1: And I guess if you're from Nashville, tell us that
Speaker 1: like like Taylor Swift painted those wings or tell us
Speaker 1: like the reason why those wings are so important. But
Speaker 1: like I could not figure it out. It just seemed
Speaker 1: like you know, Instagram art on the wall.
Speaker 2: Because we went up, so we were in the gulch
Speaker 2: area and we went to brunch and it was super fine,
Speaker 2: and then we saw it, but there were a lot
Speaker 2: like our We got a hook up, but there were
Speaker 2: giant ass lines to get in the brunch. So when
Speaker 2: we see this big line, we're like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 2: what restaurant that is. And then it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're taking photos next to painted wings.
Speaker 1: It was upsetting. It was weird for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, people just posted on their stories like I spilled
Speaker 2: my drink trying to take a photo of it. The
Speaker 2: internet is fucked, like we're fucked, Like we are so fucked,
Speaker 2: like nothing has happened unless you posted or something.
Speaker 1: It's I just yeah, it rubbed us the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Well listen. If you want to hear all this and
Speaker 1: more live, come see our tour. We are going out
Speaker 1: again in a couple of weeks in November. We're going
Speaker 1: to be in the Midwest, So come see us at
Speaker 1: Zany's Rosemont on November thirteenth, because unfortunately our I mean
Speaker 1: fortunately because we love the everybody that bought tickets, but
Speaker 1: the Chicago show at Zany's Downtown is sold out. So
Speaker 1: head out to the suburbs and see us in Rosemont
Speaker 1: on the thirteenth. It'll be so fun. It's like a
Speaker 1: nice big space. I really like that club. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1: And then Indianapolis will be there on the fifteenth. We'll
Speaker 1: be in Columbus on the sixteenth. We'll be in Cleveland
Speaker 1: on the seventeenth, Detroit on the eighteenth, and Madison, Wisconsin
Speaker 1: on the twentieth. And I think you can even see
Speaker 1: us do stand up both in Detroit and Madison. So
Speaker 1: well you'll see me opening for Lisa in Detroit and
Speaker 1: then Lisa solo and Madison doing great stuff with other
Speaker 1: great openers. And so if you guys are interested, that's
Speaker 1: messed up dot com. Get tickets please. We love meeting
Speaker 1: all of you, seeing all of you. We're selling tour
Speaker 1: only merch you can only get it on the tour.
Speaker 1: And you know, we just love meeting all of you
Speaker 1: guys and doing live shows. And we pick really wild,
Speaker 1: fun episodes to do that are not based on crimes,
Speaker 1: so we get to talk about some of your faves.
Speaker 1: What else, Lisa?
Speaker 2: I mean also, even though the shows are incredible, meeting
Speaker 2: everyone's incredible. Like was there a flat tire? Yes, was
Speaker 2: there a rented out vehicle not checked in by the company,
Speaker 2: but we had to get another car in another city. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're hotel rooms, not our name's not put under the room.
Speaker 2: Like honestly, you know, did we have a tech guy
Speaker 2: in one of these locations that truly I sent a
Speaker 2: formal complaint about. But like, so it is, it's just
Speaker 2: really funny. And what I think about is this quote
Speaker 2: that it might be like a fake thing where people
Speaker 2: think marily Monroe said a bunch of stuff and she hasn't. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: that share said I'm only difficult if you're an idiot,
Speaker 2: and I want that tattooed on my body, like truly,
Speaker 2: that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if this is difficult for you, you're dumb.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: so tough. No, but obviously we had so, you know,
Speaker 1: so much fun. But I thought I would just you know,
Speaker 1: sprinkle in that sprinkling. We had fun.
Speaker 2: And then I wrote here Halloween candy murder screen shot,
Speaker 2: and I wish I knew.
Speaker 1: What that was. I can't wait for Halloween. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm alone with my kids this weekend as a punishment
Speaker 1: for going out of town for ninety No just kidding,
Speaker 1: just my husband's going out of town, so I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going to be alone taking them to ninety Halloween
Speaker 1: parties coming up. So that's fun. But what do you
Speaker 1: think that means your screenshot Halloween candy murder. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, is it like all of those memes where
Speaker 2: people put things into the candy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking you were talking about.
Speaker 1: When this woman goes with this amazing account that I follow,
Speaker 1: I think it's Matt XIV or whatever, was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, please check your children's candy. I just opened
Speaker 1: mine up and found a drag Queen story Hour in
Speaker 1: my son's Snicker and it's like, it's so funny because
Speaker 1: it's like a Snicker's broken open with like a drag
Speaker 1: queen reading inside, and it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be it. I'm not really sure, but what
Speaker 2: you said you had something to tell me.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, this is so funny because I was just
Speaker 1: looking on you know, we use a lot of the Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: the Law and Order Wikipedia, like the fandom just to
Speaker 1: look at. We do some of our own research too,
Speaker 1: based on what stuff's based on. But I use this
Speaker 1: all the time, and I wanted to see what the
Speaker 1: most current episode if they were going to say it
Speaker 1: was Ariel Castro again, because the show's already done Ariel Castro,
Speaker 1: if it was something different, and they don't even actually
Speaker 1: have it listed yet episode four, but episode three, did
Speaker 1: you watch episode yet? It's like the two celebrities of
Speaker 1: this current season. Yeah yeah, that are in like a
Speaker 1: tumultuous relationship or whatever. So it's definitely based on Amber
Speaker 1: heard Johnny Depp for sure, and then Shia lah Buff.
Speaker 1: They said maybe it's based on his lawsuit with FKA Twigs. Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll buy that. The third British The third bullet point
Speaker 1: says the public harassment of former British Prime Minister Boris
Speaker 1: Johnson during the Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth the IID what.
Speaker 1: I don't think a SVU wrote an episode at all
Speaker 1: about Boris About Boris Johnson.
Speaker 2: Jubilee is a really fun word, though, it sure is.
Speaker 2: It's like one of my favorite words.
Speaker 1: I lived in Rome during like the Catholic Jubilee because
Speaker 1: I lived there in the year two thousand and I
Speaker 1: think that's like when they happen every one hundred years
Speaker 1: or something, but that it was like a huge, like
Speaker 1: millennial jubilee because it was the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: so it's where all these nuns and Catholic people like
Speaker 1: all come to Rome. So the city's like really spruced
Speaker 1: up and they're offering like, you know, extra nothing.
Speaker 2: Makes jubilee sound sad. Then putting a Catholic in front
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Well the plant Jubilee of Elizabeth
Speaker 1: the second I don't think was fun either. I think
Speaker 1: it was an old lady run like parading through the
Speaker 1: streets days before she died. Yeah, they need to stop it.
Speaker 2: Jubilee means party or Cherry's jubilee right, like an ice
Speaker 2: cream flavor. Wait, you opened for Bob the Drag Queen.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything to say?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 1: It was amazing in Huntsville, Alabama. I opened for Bob
Speaker 1: the Drag Queen for two days because Lisa was not
Speaker 1: able to. Can we now talk about it? We haven't
Speaker 1: talked about it. Oh, we haven't really, No, we have
Speaker 1: not talked about this. We posted it on our Instagram.
Speaker 1: But I would like to formally brag on behalf of
Speaker 1: my co host, Lisa Trigger, who has been cast in
Speaker 1: a Netflix show starring Michelle Buteau, Survival of the Thickest.
Speaker 1: That's the reason we had to switch around some of
Speaker 1: our tour dates. Thank you for being understanding. While Lisa
Speaker 1: becomes a fam miss Hollywood celebrity. Yeah, it's been really
Speaker 1: fun and nice. Can you put a clapping sound effect
Speaker 1: in there, please? It's been really fun.
Speaker 2: I love being on a set and everyone is really
Speaker 2: talented and experienced and accomplished, and it's been fun being
Speaker 2: around everyone. And I do have a really really cute
Speaker 2: little co star in this show, but I will not
Speaker 2: reveal it yet.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's enough. That's a tune in. That's a
Speaker 1: tune in message right there. You guys all have to
Speaker 1: watch when it comes out in the spring. Sometime. We
Speaker 1: will definitely be promoting it. But because Lisa and I
Speaker 1: got my scenes for these upcoming and they are so good,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think your character sounds like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be wild and maybe like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a scene stealer. I'm excited, but it's really cool.
Speaker 2: Is like a few friends that I've told about this
Speaker 2: auditioned for it, and I guess and Edinburgh marsh just
Speaker 2: said like everyone was auditioning, but everyone that I had
Speaker 2: heard was like, oh, that makes sense, You're perfect for this.
Speaker 2: And like when I into the set of the character's apartment,
Speaker 2: I own multiple things in the apart I mean she's
Speaker 2: worse than me as a person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're Yeah, it's really really exciting a lot of
Speaker 2: high class things we got going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, since Lisa couldn't open for Bob, I got
Speaker 1: to open for Bob and I was happy to do
Speaker 1: that and I had a blast. We had so much fun.
Speaker 1: We went to after both shows, we went to the
Speaker 1: gay Bar in Huntsville, Alabama, and one night we did
Speaker 1: karaoke and another night we did trivia. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a great time, and I don't
Speaker 1: really think I have any other tea about that. It
Speaker 1: was just Bob's awesome and like so funny and professional.
Speaker 1: He kept going clink clink, clink clink, and like hitting glasses.
Speaker 1: That's key. Yeah. But I also thank you to the
Speaker 1: many Boston listeners who told us that that when I
Speaker 1: told that story about Clink the Bar, that it's because
Speaker 1: it used to be a jail. I should definitely go
Speaker 1: check it out there. That makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: that was coming through the Cliank.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to do a shout out to Garcel Bouvet,
Speaker 2: who's also in this Netflix show. I am not yet. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I have not Mega either. I did meet Peppermint, which
Speaker 2: was thrilling. But did you you or you're caught up
Speaker 2: on Bravo? Did you watch the Real Housewives Reunion two
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 1: Not yet? Yes? Caught up? Caught up, caught up.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I've been a Kyle apologist for this
Speaker 2: whole time, and I'm always like, yeah, but i'd want
Speaker 2: to hang out her house or fuck Kyle. I am
Speaker 2: no longer on her side in any capacity. No wonder,
Speaker 2: your sisters don't want to fucking talk to you. There's
Speaker 2: a reason you're not invited to your family events, and
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself and anyway, for me, it's team Garcel
Speaker 2: all the way, and I'm disgusted by the rest of
Speaker 2: the ladies. Andy apologized this week to his treatment of
Speaker 2: Garcel too, because hopefully he realized it. He did, he
Speaker 2: had to. How do you not apologize? Garcela is talking
Speaker 2: about her near run in with Bill, who tried to
Speaker 2: fucking slip her a drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Then she's talking about her book, and we're talking about
Speaker 2: her son, and it's all about Lisa Ena and recycling
Speaker 2: and this and that, and they zoomed on Garcel's face
Speaker 2: and she just looked so hurt, and yeah, fuck all
Speaker 2: of them, Fuck.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 2: You are all racist. You are all racist. You can
Speaker 2: they can all deny it. Garcel can say they're not racist.
Speaker 2: But if this happened to another fourteen year old child
Speaker 2: that was not a black child, there's no way they
Speaker 2: would be treating the situation of the online trolls this
Speaker 2: kind of casually and telling Garcel how she should act
Speaker 2: or not when someone said horrific things.
Speaker 1: No, it's very shitty, and I honestly could be. You
Speaker 1: could restart the whole show just around Garcel, and I
Speaker 1: guess maybe they'd keep Sutton because they're close, But like,
Speaker 1: you could restart the whole cast around Garcel and I
Speaker 1: would watch like she's She's a top tier housewife to me,
Speaker 1: and she should not have been fucking treated that way.
Speaker 1: Here's what I will say about those. I think a
Speaker 1: fan bought those. To be honest, I don't think Diana
Speaker 1: is smart enough to do that.
Speaker 2: Diana doesn't have fans, no, no, no, just regular fan,
Speaker 2: a racist fan of the show, like you know, just
Speaker 2: like to cause chaos and be psycho.
Speaker 1: I just don't think Diana smart enough for that shit
Speaker 1: to be honest or employs anyone smart enough really, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if she's also like a human trafficker like
Speaker 2: they've accused her of, then who knows.
Speaker 1: What Waite I didn't even know about that. Fuck? Are
Speaker 1: we getting into Sbu territory now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Because do you know that book?
Speaker 2: She had people claim that that book is actually a
Speaker 2: catalog for people you can have sex right.
Speaker 1: And pay for.
Speaker 2: And I also just it bothers me when people act
Speaker 2: so snooty and rich and entitled, when it's like you
Speaker 2: married into that money, yeah you did not, like you know,
Speaker 2: Yolanda was like this too, where it's like, oh on,
Speaker 2: it's like you're trap.
Speaker 1: You're a grifter.
Speaker 2: You're a sexy grifter who grifts a rich lives. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're acting like you're classy. I
Speaker 2: think sexy grifter might be merch. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea, a tank top that says sexy grifter,
Speaker 1: give it, Okay, yeah, I would love that. I'll take it. No.
Speaker 1: But I also with.
Speaker 2: The Diana thing where they're like they're trying to say
Speaker 2: that evil is a worse word than the sea word.
Speaker 2: And this is an old mulaney joke, but it's like,
Speaker 2: how about the word you can't even say out loud? Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably the worst word them all, saying that it's worse
Speaker 2: to be called evil than cunt?
Speaker 1: Like what, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why you're not even saying you're saying the sea wordy?
Speaker 1: I just and suttons upon.
Speaker 2: But I heard Garcel had like huge and I heard
Speaker 2: it because I watched all the Bravo cons stuff, but
Speaker 2: everyone was team Garcel. Everyone was shouting for her, and
Speaker 2: I think this least I hope.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for part three. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: is in a renaissance.
Speaker 2: We have like Salt Lake, Beverly Hills, Potomac, swinter House,
Speaker 2: so all together, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, everything's running on all cylinders over at Bravo.
Speaker 1: For sure. I will say the problem with fucking Kyle
Speaker 1: and always has been a problem with her and a
Speaker 1: lot of the women on Beverly Hills, but doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be a problem for Garcel is that they hide shit,
Speaker 1: They do not say things. Everything feels like there's something,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing I told you that we can't
Speaker 1: stay on camera, you know what? I mean, like everything
Speaker 1: feels like Kyle is like it's like, Kyle, if you
Speaker 1: have shit about Kathy or whatever, just fucking say it
Speaker 1: on the show. Why are you here if you don't
Speaker 1: say it on the show, because then you're the one
Speaker 1: sitting there going that's why we come on the show
Speaker 1: to do our lives. Say it, say it, say it.
Speaker 1: And then like she never says anything.
Speaker 2: You know, not only that, I saw this online where
Speaker 2: it's like she's so mad that Crystal won't say what
Speaker 2: Sutton said, but Lisa, Renna is not saying what Kathy said.
Speaker 1: Well, is that not a problem. I will say though
Speaker 1: that I think that Crystal. I think what our friend
Speaker 1: Julia thinks is that Chris protecting Ston and that she
Speaker 1: does have a specific thing and she's not saying it.
Speaker 1: So fine, I'm fine to let her do that. And
Speaker 1: I think that Renna has said a couple of things.
Speaker 1: She said Jeri, it's a useless idiot. She said, I'll
Speaker 1: ruin Bravo and take Kyle down in her old family
Speaker 1: a Bravo. I mean she's given a couple specifics, right, Yeah, But.
Speaker 2: It's also like you're acting like you care about your
Speaker 2: sister and you're letting Renna do all this, like cut
Speaker 2: Renna out, slam her down, Like why is your aggression
Speaker 2: towards Crystal and not towards Lisa, Renna, Yeah, who is
Speaker 2: destroying your relationship with your sister?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that she has a fucked up relationship
Speaker 1: with her sister. And that's why I love my sister
Speaker 1: so much. Like if my sister, If if Renna came
Speaker 1: in and said your sister had a full breakdown, I
Speaker 1: would like walk off and be like, we're not doing
Speaker 1: this on camera. Like I would just be like, we're
Speaker 1: not doing this, and instead she goes, Guys, I feel
Speaker 1: kind of uncomfortable. Can we stop? Like it's so mealy
Speaker 1: mouthed all of it, and if it was, if you
Speaker 1: really loved your sister. But I think that the truth
Speaker 1: is what she said to Erica was I'm glad the
Speaker 1: world is seeing what's up with Kathy.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are seeing and that's it. That's
Speaker 1: why she's not going after Rinnash. She wants people to
Speaker 1: see my sister Kim is an alcoholic who's abusive to me.
Speaker 1: My sister Kathy is a power hungry, hungry freak who's
Speaker 1: abusive to me. She wants everyone to see it and
Speaker 1: so she can be Kyle the victim. But it's like
Speaker 1: the way she's going about it looks so slimy and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm done with her. I think that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Andy probably won't get rid of her, but no, because
Speaker 1: people like her.
Speaker 2: But it is like Erica is a full blown piece
Speaker 2: of shit and we're all pretending everything's fine and taking
Speaker 2: all this aggression out on the not white people. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It is fucking weird. Yeah, and yeah, it just.
Speaker 1: Bothers me and even the fans online are like why
Speaker 1: does everything have to be turned to race?
Speaker 2: It's not race? And at least and is like I
Speaker 2: can't go after Garson. It's like, but you are these
Speaker 2: micro like you are. There's no way you would treat
Speaker 2: Jack's the way you're treating him if he was like
Speaker 2: not a black child.
Speaker 1: It really, oh, completely no, there's like a there's like
Speaker 1: a phenomenon or like an epidemic of like black boys
Speaker 1: get treated older, you know, And that's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: never would have said that to like, I know, Jagger's
Speaker 1: much younger, but like if Jagger was twelve or fourteen
Speaker 1: at a party, porch fuck out of here? You know.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if any of this was about Porsche,
Speaker 2: Kyle's daughter, Like, oh, Porsche, yes.
Speaker 1: When you first said that, I was like, Porsha Williams, Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. If Porsche was at like a party
Speaker 1: and came out to get flowers and someone goes, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here, Kyle would lose her goddamn
Speaker 1: mind and it would be warranted. In here, We're just like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you protect it? Why don't you do that?
Speaker 1: It's like, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I'm on the schedule to well, I'm supposed to hopefully
Speaker 2: I meet Garcels soon and I will have something to
Speaker 2: say to you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to wait till the but you just
Speaker 1: when you meet her should just be like I'm team
Speaker 1: you all the way, like well, because it's funny because
Speaker 1: the hair and makeup and everyone said that, like she
Speaker 1: finished with bravokhn and went straight to work on this show,
Speaker 1: and that she was telling the ladies like I didn't
Speaker 1: realize this was such a big deal, Like I think
Speaker 1: she was didn't realize how many people would show up
Speaker 1: to Bravo Khan and cheer for her, like I think
Speaker 1: she was surprised by the fandom, which is shocking to me.
Speaker 1: This also feels like this year Bravokn like turned like
Speaker 1: this was a year that bravokan like everybody was posting
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, obviously we had pandemic. I don't
Speaker 1: know like that they even did it last year, but
Speaker 1: they did it other years and it felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a cute thing to go to if you want,
Speaker 1: and you can like get autographs or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: now it's like people are doing panels and revealing shit,
Speaker 1: and they're dropping announcements about casts, and there's all these
Speaker 1: like you can be in like a video where you're
Speaker 1: on a below deck ship, like all these like installations,
Speaker 1: and BRAVOKN just feels like it like took it. It
Speaker 1: stepped its pussy up this year, you know, puts it up.
Speaker 1: But we are not a Bravo podcast, and I do
Speaker 1: think we have to start our episode. I do.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to say that we did go to
Speaker 2: cookout in the South and Kara is not impressed it.
Speaker 1: For me, I asked for a Casa Dia. They did
Speaker 1: put chicken in it, so I couldn't eat it. I
Speaker 1: did really like the Casada sauce that's got a kick,
Speaker 1: but I was like, this is good fried food. It
Speaker 1: wasn't really blowing my mind. And my milkshake was like
Speaker 1: cement that would not come through the straw, and I
Speaker 1: was eating it like ice cream, and I stopped halfway
Speaker 1: because I was like, this isn't even very good ice cream.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. I don't want to be a snob
Speaker 1: or anything. I just I think I'm gonna stick with
Speaker 1: Taco Bell and Burger King. Those are my two mains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we couldn't even get Taco Bell because in
Speaker 2: Atlanta the line.
Speaker 1: Was like forty cars deep. It was wild. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: about to throw up six more flags. We have to go,
Speaker 1: But we have a great episode for you guys here
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, So today's episode is Bullseye, Season twelve, Episode two.
Speaker 1: What does Bullseye make you think of? Archery? Yeah? Me too? Darts?
Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone thinks anything else. All Right, we're here,
Speaker 1: We're at a bar. Here, we're doing bulls eye. We're
Speaker 1: at a readega.
Speaker 2: There's a woman stocking shelves and she's digging in a box.
Speaker 2: But also the shelves are fully stocked, Like where is
Speaker 2: she putting the contents of this box?
Speaker 1: It is a tight bodega, very uh, but you know
Speaker 1: if anybody can fit more in. It's a bodega. Like
Speaker 1: bodegas are like there's like toilet paper up to the ceiling.
Speaker 1: I mean they're really doing it. They are doing it.
Speaker 1: So she's stocking the shelves and she's bent over and
Speaker 1: a man is approaching her and purposely is getting super
Speaker 1: close and then thrust his stck onto her and she
Speaker 1: he jumps and turns around and he's like, oh, didn't
Speaker 1: see you there, sorry, and she's like third time this
Speaker 1: week and then he grabs her really hard. I was
Speaker 1: taken aback. This is like too soon. This is where
Speaker 1: I don't like this, and says you don't want to
Speaker 1: be a bitch to me, and she says, let go
Speaker 1: of me. Dennis, and the fact that his name is Dennis,
Speaker 1: it really ups this to a more horrific level. I
Speaker 1: would say, do you know my uncle Dennis at my
Speaker 1: brother's wedding introduced himself to like three of my siblings
Speaker 1: when we've known him our entire lives. Yeah, Like he
Speaker 1: was like hello, Dennis and said his last name. We
Speaker 1: were like, what, like, we've known you forever. Did you
Speaker 1: call him out? I don't think so. I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's a I don't even as far as I know,
Speaker 1: there's no like, you know, dementia or anything going on.
Speaker 1: It was just like he's a little bit weird.
Speaker 2: I don't he's just trying to shade you guys, like
Speaker 2: he's like, purpose, sorry, you're Maybe he has prosopagnosia face blindness.
Speaker 2: That reminds me of the Sex in the City scene
Speaker 2: where Carrie has really disturbed. This woman is giving her
Speaker 2: dirty and Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Goes, maybe it's Bell's palsy.
Speaker 2: I carry us to go it's not Bell's poalsy. Whatever,
Speaker 2: So fuck Dennis. And he looks aggressive. I did look
Speaker 2: him up. He's been working. He's been in a lot
Speaker 2: of Amy Schumer vehicles, train Wreck Inside Amy Schumer and
Speaker 2: life and.
Speaker 1: Beth Oh, maybe he's part of her theater collective. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: And she gives a lot of her the old like
Speaker 1: theater friends work and his name is Rock Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. So then she goes, there's a customer
Speaker 1: and we see a kid walk in and he says
Speaker 1: that him and the boss are tight, and she's like, wow,
Speaker 1: if I tell the boss you let people eat the merchandise.
Speaker 1: And it's like, don't knark on this kid, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just it's a rock in
Speaker 1: a hard place.
Speaker 2: It's like be sexually harassed her, you know, give up
Speaker 2: this homeless kid or something. And he's and so he
Speaker 2: turns around and starts yelling at this kid and put
Speaker 2: that back, and here you pay first and then you eat,
Speaker 2: and that it's not unique to your store.
Speaker 1: I like how he was like, in here, you pay
Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, it's like everyone knows how that works.
Speaker 1: So he grabs her to turn her around, and she
Speaker 1: looks stunned and super scared, and she's breathing deep and
Speaker 1: you can tell there's shock in her eyes. I wonder
Speaker 1: if in his head he's like, maybe I'll just let
Speaker 1: her eat this. And then he's extra shocked because she
Speaker 1: has blood going down her leg. But she's scared, sweaty
Speaker 1: and crying. Cut to the hospital and we have the
Speaker 1: doctor that is one hundred percent Baywatch surfer vibe that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very eligible bachelor, Like if there was like, uh, you
Speaker 1: know a New York Magazine's like one hundred most eligible bachelors.
Speaker 1: I feel like he would be one of them.
Speaker 2: And he says there's intense vaginal trauma, not good hematoma,
Speaker 2: and both risks, probably from being held down. She's ten
Speaker 2: years old. Benson asks rape kit. They go, not yet.
Speaker 1: They just got the blood to stop, so this is
Speaker 1: pretty dramatic. He also tells Benson and Stabler that she's dehydrated, malnourished,
Speaker 1: and her arm is limited mobility, so he thinks that
Speaker 1: was a break that just wasn't treated. So this kid
Speaker 1: is really not being paid attention to and anyway, and
Speaker 1: they look through the blinds to see the patient in
Speaker 1: the room the detectives, and he says, good luck finding
Speaker 1: who did this because she won't say a word. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, they haven't met Olivia Benson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you obviously haven't met the child whisperer.
Speaker 2: So she walks in. She goes, I'm Olivia, this is Elliott.
Speaker 2: We're police officers. But she's hoping that you know, tell
Speaker 2: us what happened to you before you got to the store,
Speaker 2: and maybe that'll make you feel better.
Speaker 1: And she is visibly stressed by that. And starts shifting away,
Speaker 1: and he asked if someone said like not to talk
Speaker 1: to people and that something bad would happen, because he goes,
Speaker 1: that's not true.
Speaker 2: And if this girl looks familiar to you and you
Speaker 2: watch Nurse Jackie, this is Grace, one of Edie Falco's
Speaker 2: daughters in that shit, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I love Grace too. Like she was the one that
Speaker 1: had like anxiety, and like that was a cool storyline.
Speaker 1: I thought for like this to show like little kid
Speaker 1: having anxiety. I just felt like I hadn't seen that,
Speaker 1: Like she just had like generalized anxiety and was always
Speaker 1: like doing kind of weird stuff that like was a
Speaker 1: manifestation of her anxiety. And I like that her character
Speaker 1: a lot, and she was a great kid actor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that storyline at all.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember that show outside of her doing
Speaker 2: drugs and fucking that pharmacist. So Benson is like, I
Speaker 2: bet you have such a pretty name.
Speaker 1: Let me know it. I'm sure your parents are worried
Speaker 1: sick about you.
Speaker 2: And then the nurse rolls in a cart of supplies
Speaker 2: and says it's it's time to start the kid, and
Speaker 2: the girl sees the camera and she flips the fuck out,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, what's up, and she cries and says
Speaker 2: he took pictures of me. Benson looks concerned, Elliott makes
Speaker 2: a face that conveys like, damn, the world is so evil,
Speaker 2: and then the credits we open back up on a
Speaker 2: photo of the girl and Cragan's voice saying, your little victim,
Speaker 2: which sounds off to me.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't think you be saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elliot's like, I mean, Benson turned on all her
Speaker 2: charm and nothing. This kid said nothing, even with you know,
Speaker 2: Olivia giving it at her all. But Benson's like, this motherfucker,
Speaker 2: he took pictures of her while he raped her. But
Speaker 2: there's no fluids or fibers in the rape kids, so
Speaker 2: this is going to be a tough investigation.
Speaker 1: And she doesn't match any girls.
Speaker 2: In missing persons and Craigan asks what kind of parents
Speaker 2: don't report their kid missing? And Stabler goes one that
Speaker 2: keeps her locked away all fucking night. I think it's
Speaker 2: the dad doing this and Craigan and where did that
Speaker 2: come from? But Craigan's like, okay, let's slow down there.
Speaker 2: I'm with him, let's id the girl. Benson says, well,
Speaker 2: we can't release it to the media because in the
Speaker 2: purpose going to run for the hills. Elliott says, well,
Speaker 2: the bleeding girl couldn't get that far without someone noticing her.
Speaker 2: So let's, you know, let's see if she lives close
Speaker 2: to the market. Craigan goes, maybe the census data can
Speaker 2: help us. And now they have a census data feature
Speaker 2: on their computer and they tape in female ten white
Speaker 2: and it's searching and it finds dozens and dozens of kids.
Speaker 2: So they grab fin in munch and hit the streets
Speaker 2: and they go talk to the neighborhood and we hear
Speaker 2: a lot of no, no, No, no No.
Speaker 1: One of the no's is a fun gay man whose
Speaker 1: husband is away dropping their daughter at summer camp. I
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 2: And the whole time he's talking, he's holding a giant
Speaker 2: guinea pig. I have never seen a guinea pig this big.
Speaker 2: It is so big, and so it makes me like
Speaker 2: guinea pigs because I know, I think they're irrelevant, like
Speaker 2: do they even exist anymore?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people love those things. They're all over TikTok
Speaker 1: and Instagram reels and stuff. Oh really well. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like showing when Oscar's having a real meltdown, I'm
Speaker 1: showing him baby animal pictures because he really loves looking
Speaker 1: at like little videos of like goats and like little cows,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's all kinds of baby animal photos
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of accounts that have like millions
Speaker 1: of followers. And the guinea pigs are in there. They
Speaker 1: are working. The guinea pigs are the hedgehogs, they're in
Speaker 1: there working. Well, yeah, the hedgehogs. I'm glad the guinea pigs.
Speaker 2: I mean, because I thought maybe only kids have them,
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen a guinea pig since childhood, so
Speaker 2: I didn't know if they were just like not anymore.
Speaker 2: But this one was giant and fuzzy and I loved it,
Speaker 2: And I'm glad they're on TikTok.
Speaker 1: That's good. You know what's having a moment on tikso
Speaker 1: or the internet. Sloths. Oh well, but slots have been
Speaker 1: having a really big moment for like five years. Like
Speaker 1: when I had rosy three and a half years ago,
Speaker 1: i got three sloth levees. Like sloths were like having
Speaker 1: a big They're so cute, like you know, and like
Speaker 1: there's a sloth. Characters in use Zutopia like yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the DM slots are the DMB but their claws are
Speaker 1: so big? Are they dangerous or are they slow? Like
Speaker 1: I thin, great question. I keep seeing people. The things
Speaker 1: I'm seeing are like people handing their babies to like
Speaker 1: they lose a little baby sloth and so they reunite.
Speaker 1: They like, give you've not seen it? So then they
Speaker 1: show the mom sloth the baby sloth and it's like
Speaker 1: the mom gets so excited and then needs to be
Speaker 1: on the baby animal sites. I'm on, what the hell?
Speaker 2: And so I've seen a couple videos like that where
Speaker 2: people will like pick up the kid and give it
Speaker 2: back to the sloth and the sloth does look happy,
Speaker 2: but their talent Like if I see a sloth in
Speaker 2: the wild, can I approach or am I gonna get?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But how fast do they even swipe? Is it
Speaker 1: just like a slow dragging?
Speaker 2: Okay, Sloths to become agitated or feel threat and may
Speaker 2: use their teeth or long nails to cause pain.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I would not agitate that little slot, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to agitate. But what if I gave
Speaker 1: it a celery stock, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if you come bearing food, it's not gonna swipe that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. There's so many tangents. We're only in the
Speaker 2: ax one. But so when I was in Australia, we
Speaker 2: got to meet koalas.
Speaker 1: That's like, what you do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we went to this animal place and then
Speaker 2: we're waiting in line and we're with the group and
Speaker 2: they're giving us instructions. They're like, don't shake the tree,
Speaker 2: don't make this, don't make that, like all these things,
Speaker 2: and then the koala is right there and we could
Speaker 2: have taken photos right next to the kuala and then
Speaker 2: this dumb bitch woman and her kid are like shaking
Speaker 2: the tree, being loud, being noisy, and so the koala
Speaker 2: climbed up, and so all of our photos are like
Speaker 2: from below and the kualas above us. But also these
Speaker 2: bitches were Australian and it's like, you can come here
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: Know we came from across the fucking planet. Let us
Speaker 1: be near it.
Speaker 2: And it's like you broke every rule, and I wait,
Speaker 2: I wish I punched them in the face. Honestly, like
Speaker 2: we were the it was Emily Heller was there too,
Speaker 2: so you know we were like pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, that's awful. Well, Oscar's been saying koala lately,
Speaker 1: he says, kalalaka.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I told you one of our friends was
Speaker 2: so wasted that they couldn't guess Koala on the heads
Speaker 2: up game, which is so easy, so easy.
Speaker 1: So I'm very into the s guinea pig.
Speaker 2: Obviously we've we went on a tangent that took us
Speaker 2: to a lot of places. But Munch is not impressed,
Speaker 2: and Munch is like, people eat those in Peru and
Speaker 2: then he walks away. So there's a kid's club and
Speaker 2: they go to this kids club. No one recognizes this girl.
Speaker 2: They go to a pizza shop. Can't I d her?
Speaker 1: But the pizza guy is passionate and he's like, fuck, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I could help you.
Speaker 2: And he goes asks Gina, and Gina's holding the pizza
Speaker 2: delivery pouch, so she's out in them streets and so
Speaker 2: she says she's seen this girl lots of times. She's
Speaker 2: always in the doorway when Gina delivers a pie to
Speaker 2: her folks, but never says anything, and she knows the
Speaker 2: address and the apartment number off the top of her head,
Speaker 2: and she says she's sure the girl lives there.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know my sister's address and apartment
Speaker 1: number off the top of my head, Like that's why
Speaker 1: I well.
Speaker 2: I was actually just thinking this because like now we
Speaker 2: have postmates, so they don't remember, like it's always someone different.
Speaker 2: But if you ordered a pizza, let's say, once a
Speaker 2: week every week.
Speaker 1: For three years, maybe they'd know. Yeah, yeah, like Friday night,
Speaker 1: pizza night, like you're always doing it. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: like if it's the local a lot of times when
Speaker 1: you have the same delivery person, yeah, yeah. Or because
Speaker 1: even the episode we did all to Cockers was like,
Speaker 1: oh the deli delivery guy did this for me, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like you had some sort of relationship with
Speaker 1: these people, right and now they now now they leave
Speaker 1: the food outside the door on the floor, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like a little raccoon. I just like scurrying
Speaker 1: your garbage. Oh yeah, I think I said this on
Speaker 1: the poto a long time when I was staying with
Speaker 1: Julia in Lane. I opened it and I was topless
Speaker 1: and the guy was still there taking a photo. That
Speaker 1: he to prove me delivered the food. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Yeah, I just don't like being fully closed,
Speaker 1: like I need either to the bottle if you like
Speaker 1: sent you the photo, it's like you tits out with
Speaker 1: like a bag of food on the ground and he's like,
Speaker 1: your delivery's here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so but this girl says a boy lives
Speaker 2: there too, that she's heard his voice. So we arrive
Speaker 2: at Jeff and Amber Semanski's house on East twenty eighth
Speaker 2: Street and it's September for so they found her right
Speaker 2: after my birthday.
Speaker 1: Which doesn't really make sense if the guy was taking
Speaker 1: his daughter to summer camp. But go on, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I immediately thought, oh, okay, so it's like June because
Speaker 1: of camp camp starts in June, or if you go
Speaker 1: mid session, it starts in July, but it doesn't start September.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They should have said pick up from
Speaker 1: summer camp. And even then August thirty first is late
Speaker 1: to be at camp. That's such god.
Speaker 2: Love date plot holes, well or any plot holes, because
Speaker 2: this is such a meticulous like I'll our guess say,
Speaker 2: well oiled machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when we're able to like fenangle in. I
Speaker 1: know that we have a.
Speaker 2: True problem, true true problem. So NYPD open up, yell stabler.
Speaker 2: Benson leans to the door and says she can hear
Speaker 2: the TV.
Speaker 1: Let's go. We know you're home.
Speaker 2: We hear daddy, no stop, And so they kick down
Speaker 2: the door, enter guns first.
Speaker 1: They yell and nobody reacting.
Speaker 2: Now we can hear their voices and it's like they're
Speaker 2: not hiding or pretending to not be home. They're fully
Speaker 2: chit chatting, like the cops didn't just kick their door.
Speaker 2: And we walk in finally, and it's a couple playing
Speaker 2: video games and it's a snow filled land with gothic
Speaker 2: leather freaks fighting dragons. So that's the game. If if
Speaker 2: we have any gamers out there that know what game
Speaker 2: this is based on or anything. The woman says, hold on, Caleb,
Speaker 2: Mommy's coming. And they keep playing and they look like slobs. Okay,
Speaker 2: greasy vibes, have not showered in a minute. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: he looked familiar and it's because I recently rewatched Downloaded
Speaker 2: Childs and we covered that and he played Megan Fay.
Speaker 1: He's like the ex husband who would rape her. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: who like admitted to marital rate. Yes, apps absolutely, and
Speaker 1: so two episodes in both times playing a fucking slob.
Speaker 2: Which is interesting. But also, did you watch the White
Speaker 2: Lotus season two trailer? No, our girl Megan Fayhe is
Speaker 2: in the trailer.
Speaker 1: She's in She's yeah, like, she has like two three
Speaker 1: scenes in the trailer. Ooh, I'm excited for her, and
Speaker 1: she looks gorgeous and like the whole I just oh
Speaker 1: my god, I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: I kind of yes, I'm so excited. Okay, I just
Speaker 2: love television. Did you watch There was a video clip
Speaker 2: of Diane Keaton on Oprah. It was like the first
Speaker 2: and she goes.
Speaker 1: I just love to watch my TV. I like to
Speaker 1: watch the television and.
Speaker 2: Everyone's shitting on her, and I'm like, thank god for
Speaker 2: Diane key and yeah, I love watching TV.
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed. Get away from me. I feel like
Speaker 1: she's laughing so hard and she's just like unabashedly like, yes,
Speaker 1: TV is my hobby, That's what I do. And I
Speaker 1: was like, girl, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, stop shaming me, bitch. And I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: outside enough. I get to watch as much TV as
Speaker 2: I want. So Benson looks so confused and horrified and
Speaker 2: can't understand what's happening, which says a lot considering she
Speaker 2: has seen it all.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they are fully not hearing the.
Speaker 2: Detectives, and so Benson starts pulling out or it's trying
Speaker 2: to unplug the consoles and shut the TV down, And
Speaker 2: finally they're.
Speaker 1: Like, whoa where did you come from? And Stabler yells
Speaker 1: the real world? What does it find out? What's the
Speaker 1: real world MTV slogan when people stop being polite and
Speaker 1: start getting real Yeah, thank you, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So he pushed the lazy boy forward and makes the
Speaker 2: man fly up and he's like, this.
Speaker 1: Is level twenty and our boy needs.
Speaker 2: Us, and Benson pushes the woman forward, like start moving
Speaker 2: and says, the way you treat kids, he's better off
Speaker 2: without you, lady.
Speaker 1: Caleb.
Speaker 2: The computer child dies and falls off the snowy ledge
Speaker 2: and Benson walks the man into interrogation and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I really got to get back, and Benson's like, wow,
Speaker 2: that game really has you buy the balls?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm not even addicted, and Benson schools
Speaker 2: is as like, babe, you're sweating and so uh you
Speaker 2: stink like, you haven't bathed in a month, You're a junkie.
Speaker 2: He says, no, Ambers has the problem. I can stop whenever.
Speaker 2: And then Amber is telling Stabler how they met a
Speaker 2: year ago online and a tournament hosted in South Korea. Okay,
Speaker 2: worldly and he had the cutest avatar and only lived
Speaker 2: three blocks away. And Stabler's like, hey, that's fate. So
Speaker 2: then they started playing twenty four to seven after she
Speaker 2: won her settlement from the city in May, and so
Speaker 2: they're doing a classic back and forth interrogation room and
Speaker 2: then Jeff says that Amber got hit by a bus.
Speaker 2: They were on their way to Best Buy to get
Speaker 2: in line to buy a new game, and he's like,
Speaker 2: the sound of her head made it when it's hits
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: He like remembers the sound that her head made when
Speaker 1: I hit the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mean to laugh, but I'm like so
Speaker 2: upset by hearing that. And imagine, yeah, that I'm smiling.
Speaker 2: That is a bad quality of mine. Like if I'm
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with sad news, I will just smile. And it's
Speaker 2: like fucked up. And but I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people do that. Yeah, but it's fucked like I
Speaker 2: feel like like I should be in that movie Smile
Speaker 2: that came out.
Speaker 1: Fuck, Karen saw it. Did he like it? Dave? That's
Speaker 1: Dave Mazzoni's friend is the lead, and he said, he
Speaker 1: said he had some problems with it, but it was
Speaker 1: good and he liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see pr God, there's just so
Speaker 2: much goodness out. Got to see Barber I mean, the
Speaker 2: movies are well.
Speaker 1: He saw Barbarian and he loved that. I know, I
Speaker 1: can't wait. And you know, our fellow exactly right, Buddy
Speaker 1: Banana's podcast host kurb ronald Or is in Barbaria. Someone
Speaker 1: did tell me that. Yeah, I can't wait. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's fine. Oh my god. Okay, so many good movies.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were on their way to the Best
Speaker 2: Buy and then her head hit the ground after getting
Speaker 2: hit by a bus. Eke did not want to imagine that.
Speaker 2: That's what I wrote, like it does. It's an upsetting
Speaker 2: into envision and Benson's like, well, I wish you cared
Speaker 2: it all about your what your child has been through,
Speaker 2: and he says, callabill be okay, and she yells it, says,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about your real child. And then he shows uh.
Speaker 2: She shows a photo of Rose to him and he says,
Speaker 2: that's not his kid. She calls me daddy sometimes, but
Speaker 2: some other dude knocked up Amber, and so Benson sternly says, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: so you're just her stepdad that keeps her locked underneath
Speaker 2: the stairs, who throws her pizza crust every now and
Speaker 2: then when you get bored, you go in there and
Speaker 2: rape her. And that's when he snaps into reality and
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, what Rose escaped? Like he had no
Speaker 2: idea she was gone. That's a little attention they paid
Speaker 2: to this girl. And then he's like, so she ran
Speaker 2: away and somebody raped her. And Benson leans in with
Speaker 2: her hands on the table and Lolly says, not somebody,
Speaker 2: but you, Jeff, you raped her, and he says, pause
Speaker 2: the game. I haven't had sex with anybody in like
Speaker 2: six months at least. And Amber also is like, I
Speaker 2: have a daughter named Rose somewhere, but this photo is
Speaker 2: not her. But this is not my daughter, but this
Speaker 2: girl has been living in our apartment. So she's denying
Speaker 2: this as her daughter, but is agreeing that this girl
Speaker 2: does live with her.
Speaker 1: So Elliot's like, all.
Speaker 2: Of you know, as the viewers were like, wait, what.
Speaker 1: What's going on here? You know, Neil Bhaer, what are
Speaker 1: you throwing at us? What are you giving us now?
Speaker 2: And so the mom is like, but she's an impostor,
Speaker 2: and she's like yeah. She says all these stories about
Speaker 2: my daughter and like what you used to do before, Jeff.
Speaker 2: She even calls me mommy, and it's like this bitch
Speaker 2: is not putting it together. And Stabler is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because this girl is your daughter, and she rips the
Speaker 2: photo and half them screams, stop, no, this is not
Speaker 2: my daughter Rose. So then Stabler doesn't know what to do,
Speaker 2: so think God. George Hwang came in on his lunch
Speaker 2: break from the FBI, and in the spy window says
Speaker 2: that it appears she's suffering from Capgris's delusion, rare mental
Speaker 2: disorder where patients suddenly believe that their loved ones have
Speaker 2: been replaced by duplicates. Benson and Stabler look at each
Speaker 2: other quick like cartoon characters, then back at Huang, who
Speaker 2: continues that it's like the movie Invasion of the Body Snatcher,
Speaker 2: but no pods, just the head injury that severed her
Speaker 2: emotional responses to her child.
Speaker 1: So and it's funny that we just I look this
Speaker 1: up when I was watching the episode, And it's funny
Speaker 1: that we just I just mentioned prosopagnosia face blindness, because
Speaker 1: there are some theories that think that these two are linked.
Speaker 1: Like when you suddenly develop like a face blindness or
Speaker 1: something so you don't recognize people that are close to
Speaker 1: you or in your life, you know that sucks and cousins,
Speaker 1: they're distance cousins, these two weird disorders. Yeah, oh okay,
Speaker 1: so the disorders are cousins. Yes.
Speaker 2: Benson is like, oh damn, this must have happened to
Speaker 2: her after she got hit.
Speaker 1: By the bus.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, she can see the girl looks
Speaker 2: and sounds like her daughter Rose, but her ability to
Speaker 2: feel any love for her is gone, and that could
Speaker 2: fuel the indifference to the stepfather fucking raping her.
Speaker 1: And Benson is like, what about the guy? And Huang's like,
Speaker 1: besides an Internet addiction, he's just a jerk. So how
Speaker 1: do we get the mom to flip on Jeff? And
Speaker 1: Huang says there's a visual disconnect. So Benson's like, oh,
Speaker 1: but maybe if she hears her without seeing her, that
Speaker 1: might help her remember her daughter. So Rose starts talking
Speaker 1: over the intercom and the mom smiles and he's like,
Speaker 1: is that really you? And she goes, yeah, it's really me,
Speaker 1: and the mom gets happy and wants to see her,
Speaker 1: but Stabler's like, no, just listen, and she says, tell
Speaker 1: them what Jeff did to me, how he hurt me.
Speaker 1: She says, oh, baby, I'm sorry. Where did you go?
Speaker 1: I went looking for you. He put me in that
Speaker 1: room and nobody gave me any food. She says, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, and Jeff said you were fine, and
Speaker 1: then some other girl came to stay with us. Why
Speaker 1: did you stop loving me, she asked, and she says, no,
Speaker 1: I love you with all my heart.
Speaker 2: And then you know, you know, Rose says I love
Speaker 2: you too, And finally Rose can't like she runs in
Speaker 2: and Benson tries to stop her, but can't.
Speaker 1: I guess this kid, you.
Speaker 2: Know, can out maneuver Olivia Benson and runs in and
Speaker 2: so she hugs Amber and Amber's like, you are not
Speaker 2: my daughter and pushes her off of her. I don't
Speaker 2: know what kind of psychological trauma this is gonna do
Speaker 2: for Rose.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: Rose is crying and screaming like yes, I am, Yes,
Speaker 2: I am. And then oh my god, this bitch slaps
Speaker 2: Rose across the face and screams, you tricked me, you
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: You are not my daughter. And Rose is crying and
Speaker 1: Benson's trying to console and help her. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And now Rose and Benson are chatting in a room and
Speaker 2: she asks, what's gonna happen to my mom? And Benson's like, Rose,
Speaker 2: your mom is very sick and she let your stepdad
Speaker 2: do bad to you.
Speaker 1: But he well, we're gonna lock him up.
Speaker 2: He won't do anything ever again to you and he'll
Speaker 2: never make you bleed. And she says that wasn't him,
Speaker 2: and Benson confirms, and she says the other man hurt
Speaker 2: me down there. So Benson's like, so after he ran
Speaker 2: away from the apartment, She's like, I was so hungry,
Speaker 2: I ran away to get something to eat, and that's
Speaker 2: when the other man grabbed me. And Benson asked if
Speaker 2: she remembers what he looked like, and she says he
Speaker 2: had something over his face, but his voice was mean.
Speaker 2: And Benson asks where it happened and she says in
Speaker 2: the jungle gym area at laughing time. So that's the
Speaker 2: kids club that they were at earlier, who said they
Speaker 2: did not recognize Rose, So what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: So now we're on a blow up screen of Laugheytime's
Speaker 2: website and Munch is chatting about it. He says it's
Speaker 2: a magical land of fun in games and sexual assault,
Speaker 2: and Stabler says he was there yesterday and showed Rose's
Speaker 2: picture to the owner, who said, you know, she doesn't
Speaker 2: remember her. Then Munch says, well, did this lady mention
Speaker 2: that she has a PERV on the payroll? And he
Speaker 2: found some reviews on the site and one uh says
Speaker 2: that don't go to Lafey Time. There's a guy who
Speaker 2: touches kids. So they immediately speed over there and the
Speaker 2: lady's like, oh, hello again. Any luck finding the girl
Speaker 2: who is attacked, and Sabler says, well, we found her name,
Speaker 2: and now we need help finding another one from you.
Speaker 2: And Benson asks what men work at Laughey Time and
Speaker 2: she says they have no male employees because it works
Speaker 2: out best to only have women around the kids. And
Speaker 2: right as she lies, a giant grown man is running
Speaker 2: with the kids and they're like, well, who's that and
Speaker 2: they all run towards him, she says, that's Stuart, and
Speaker 2: Stuart is played by Adrian Martinez and Tommy Prolific. So
Speaker 2: the big thing with him is he's in the episode
Speaker 2: of Sex and the City. Remember when Samantha does.
Speaker 1: The naked photo shoot and Buster.
Speaker 2: What's his name? What's his real name? I never remember
Speaker 2: his real name? Gary and Buster like his characters, Tony
Speaker 2: Hale's in this episode.
Speaker 1: Buster for Tony Hale. Yeah, Tony Hale's in this Sex
Speaker 1: and the City as well.
Speaker 2: So Samantha has a naked photo shoot and then she
Speaker 2: wants attention for it and the framer won't give her
Speaker 2: at ten time, so then she hangs it by the
Speaker 2: door and Adrian Martinez delivers her fast food and then
Speaker 2: he sees the photo and goes nice ass, and then
Speaker 2: she tips some extras him more cash. So that really
Speaker 2: makes me happy. And he's also an inside me Schumer
Speaker 2: and I feel pretty So he.
Speaker 1: Looks very familiar to me. I looked him up.
Speaker 2: But this is the second Schumer connect in this episode.
Speaker 2: Oh remember Rock from up Top the Bodego New Yorkers.
Speaker 1: New Yorkers. Schumer is one of the only shows that
Speaker 1: shot that shoots in New York in the past, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I like along with this one.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know this about me nothing new, But
Speaker 2: I love people that don't move to LA like I
Speaker 2: really do. I love people that are just crushing it
Speaker 2: on the East Coast. But yeah, he has one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventeen credits. So all the adults come at Stewart
Speaker 2: and he starts screaming in sits down and the employee
Speaker 2: women is like, don't hurt Stewart. And finally, Stuart's a
Speaker 2: funny name. It reminds me of Mad TV. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: and finally confesses that it is her son. And he
Speaker 2: friends very childlike and it's obvious he is intellectually disabled.
Speaker 2: So he's like, hey, are you taking me to jail
Speaker 2: or what? And they're like, it depends where were you
Speaker 2: two nights ago? And he says he was at church
Speaker 2: Tuesday night and he loves church because God loves him.
Speaker 2: And he says that a lot of people saw him
Speaker 2: at church and he was with his mom. But you
Speaker 2: won't believe me because I'm a registered sex offender.
Speaker 1: And Stabler asks her.
Speaker 2: Is that true, and she's like, yes, technically, but it's
Speaker 2: a mistake and Benson's like, so is having him around kids?
Speaker 2: That's a felony. And the mom says, my boy is different.
Speaker 2: It's called Noonan syndrome. And so they asked how he
Speaker 2: got on the registry. So he was a bat boy
Speaker 2: for a softball league in Central Park and the bathroom
Speaker 2: lines were long, and so he pede in the bushes
Speaker 2: and then Stewart interrupts to say people saw his wi
Speaker 2: wi and then the mom says it was a simple mistake,
Speaker 2: but a parent said that he flashed people and you
Speaker 2: know kids, YadA YadA, and.
Speaker 1: So there we go. That's that. That's how I got.
Speaker 2: There needs to be a separate registry. There should be
Speaker 2: a piss red street and a sexistry.
Speaker 1: The eye was pissing registry seems like it's very long,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like what the fuck? Because if you're drunk
Speaker 1: and you pissed and your like a closed school, you
Speaker 1: can get on the sex of frond of registry. I
Speaker 1: think even if it's like nighttime and there's like you're
Speaker 1: in a school zone. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think you should piss on a school, but
Speaker 2: I think it's different than ray.
Speaker 1: I don't think that means you need to tell your
Speaker 1: neighbors that you touch children. Yeah, like it's kind of
Speaker 1: it is. Why why do we leave that? I don't know?
Speaker 2: Oh, and then Benson's like, listen those reviews, Like we
Speaker 2: don't like the review on the website.
Speaker 1: It's troubling. She says she tried to delete them, but hey.
Speaker 2: But she said it must be the same people that
Speaker 2: put these around the neighborhood, and then shows Benson a
Speaker 2: paper sign with her son's photo and inn red think
Speaker 2: font says, I touch kids at Laughey time and it's
Speaker 2: from CoAP Citizens Organized Against Predators And they know one
Speaker 2: of these concerned citizens, Eric Weber and Eric at Weber,
Speaker 2: was an episode right before this with Joan Cusack called
Speaker 2: Locum and then this one. So they know who he
Speaker 2: is and he has seventy five episodes of Loss and
Speaker 2: fifty seven other credits.
Speaker 1: Do you know this man? No? I only know him
Speaker 1: from this episode? Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So they go visit him and he's teaching kids karate
Speaker 2: while yelling kick block, et cetera. The detectives interrupt him
Speaker 2: to chat and someone takes over the class and he
Speaker 2: wants to fuck Olivia and is very happy to see
Speaker 2: her and they confront him and the sign, and he's like,
Speaker 2: what did we do something wrong? The community should know
Speaker 2: if there's a creep in the neighborhood. They say the
Speaker 2: wanted signs aren't the best way to go about it,
Speaker 2: but he says, this is info that's easily found on
Speaker 2: the internet, so it's not like a secret. And then
Speaker 2: he starts chatting over like about an app that helps
Speaker 2: find creeps all around us and it's called purv Pointer's
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: That, okay.
Speaker 2: So Stabler actually understands Nuance in this moment wildly, and
Speaker 2: he says, not all offenders are alike. That's nice, and
Speaker 2: he is, but this guy's a hardcore vigilante and that's that.
Speaker 2: And he wants to keep tabs on these creeps. And
Speaker 2: then he says that he can reach. So he says
Speaker 2: that he has further reached than the police because in theory,
Speaker 2: they have to follow the rules. But we all know
Speaker 2: the police do not follow rules. But in this world,
Speaker 2: the cops are doing it by the book. So they
Speaker 2: show him a photo of Rose and say, like, if
Speaker 2: you want to help us, show people this photo after class.
Speaker 2: But why does like why show the photo of Rose
Speaker 2: around like they've identified her, they know who she is, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: why would they?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a great quest. Why if you want to
Speaker 1: help us show people this photo after class to be
Speaker 1: like did you see her get taken away by someone
Speaker 1: the night before? Like that's so weird. You're right, it
Speaker 1: just seems like you're telling everyone about this kid getting
Speaker 1: right to a bunch of kids that you're teaching karate to.
Speaker 1: Do you know this kid? Like you know? Like is
Speaker 1: that who you? Yeah? I don't get that.
Speaker 2: But Benson hands him her card and he asks her
Speaker 2: for her sal and she says the precinct's fine, but
Speaker 2: he wants to take her out for coffee, obviously, and
Speaker 2: she rolls her eyes, but she enjoys the attention. And
Speaker 2: Munch Finn are out looking for evidence in the Laffe
Speaker 2: time area and a kid with ice cream on his
Speaker 2: face and a cone in his hand hops out of
Speaker 2: a bush and is like, what's up?
Speaker 1: What are you looking for? I love him?
Speaker 2: I do too, and they say get out of here,
Speaker 2: it's a crime scene, and then he goes, I don't
Speaker 2: feel good and then he pukes.
Speaker 1: So no crime scene and no hits off the photo?
Speaker 1: Now what? So?
Speaker 2: A TV news crew is ready to attack, and a
Speaker 2: reporter puts a mic in their faces and is like,
Speaker 2: what can you tell us? And they're not interested in
Speaker 2: talking and they start walking away. But then the reporter
Speaker 2: takes out a photo of Rows and says, are you
Speaker 2: denying this child who was raped in this neighborhood? And
Speaker 2: our detectives are obviously pissed off, like how dare you
Speaker 2: reveal a victim publicly like that and a child? And
Speaker 2: Benson grabs the photo and says, how did you get this?
Speaker 2: You know you shouldn't be revealing a victim's face, and
Speaker 2: sailors like I know who fucking did this? And then
Speaker 2: the reporter's like just a reminder, folks, we are live
Speaker 2: on air. And Benson is like, good, we just stopped
Speaker 2: you from violating a victim's right and she says you
Speaker 2: violated the freedom of the press. And they walk into
Speaker 2: the office and Craigan's like great performance, you two, and
Speaker 2: Craigan's like go down there, and Benson's like, I'm not apologizing,
Speaker 2: and he says, no, another little girl was raped a
Speaker 2: upsetting done dumb. We're on the scene of a new
Speaker 2: crime and a woman is there saying that Maddie had
Speaker 2: swim class at the y and she walks in the
Speaker 2: corner and gets picked up, and then the mom is like, fuck,
Speaker 2: why wasn't I on time? And when she arrived, her
Speaker 2: daughter was on the curb bleeding and crying. And Benson
Speaker 2: is talking to the girl who is in a stretcher,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you sure you didn't see his face?
Speaker 2: And then she says, Mandy, he can't hurt you, no
Speaker 2: matter what he says, and then we see Mandy as
Speaker 2: really deep bruises on her arm.
Speaker 1: She says she.
Speaker 2: Didn't see his face because he had a mask and
Speaker 2: it was dark in there except when he took her picture.
Speaker 2: She says she tried to make it stop, and as
Speaker 2: they're speaking with her, the mom runs over towards her
Speaker 2: and they all keep chatting, but then Stabler sees Eric
Speaker 2: Weber and he does not like it. The whole organization
Speaker 2: there is there. There's a whole group of people. But
Speaker 2: Stabler runs straight to Eric, grabs him and says, what
Speaker 2: the fuck giving Rose's photo out? He says, I only
Speaker 2: gave it to co members and he says, well, maybe
Speaker 2: one of them gave it to like away. You guys
Speaker 2: are such amateurs, and he shoots back, like, you guys
Speaker 2: are doing so much better, and Stabler says, weber back off,
Speaker 2: and he goes where this is our neighborhood, and Stabler says,
Speaker 2: we're working as fast as we can. And then Eric
Speaker 2: is like, well, who is it? Who is the suspect
Speaker 2: and then starts showing the info of all the creeps
Speaker 2: in the hood on you know the app, like.
Speaker 1: Is it this creep? Or is it this creep?
Speaker 2: And Stable grabs the phone he was using and throws
Speaker 2: it onto the street, which Eric obviously does not enjoy it.
Speaker 1: He does not like that, but I would love That's
Speaker 1: fun though.
Speaker 2: That's like a cool thing to throw the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like if someone was annoying you so much and you
Speaker 2: just grab their phone and through it in the middle
Speaker 2: of the street.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: It's a well he did that in another episode he
Speaker 1: took someone's came run through it. Or wait, Amorrow did that?
Speaker 1: Or no, Stabler did that. Stabler did that, and that's
Speaker 1: done a quarter. They both thrown that.
Speaker 2: Stranger tomorrow he threw the camera of that pedophile. Yeah
Speaker 2: that looks like Gary Sinise but isn't. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it was thought criminal.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, thought criminal is That's exactly it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was Josh Molina's Yeah, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, did you Someone posted a thing Roger Eber scathing
Speaker 2: review of fandom And this was like decades before Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones and you know, like this was a long
Speaker 2: time ago. But he was saying, He's like, these people
Speaker 2: are the worst to talk to because they're not comfortable
Speaker 2: with ad libbing or like having fun and they just
Speaker 2: like only talk about this thing that they know and
Speaker 2: asking you questions that they already know the answers to.
Speaker 1: And he's like, they're the most boring people to talk to.
Speaker 1: And I was like spiraling. I'm like, I'm only talking
Speaker 1: about Seinfeld, SVW, the Simpsons or Sex in the City,
Speaker 1: Like that's truly drag race yeah or yell, You've got
Speaker 1: a lot. You've got a lot. So I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: you're super dedicated to any one fandom because you're part
Speaker 1: of a many of them. I am. It's like so fucked.
Speaker 1: I'm like, would Roger Eber me like or would we
Speaker 1: vibe a little? I think you and Roger Ebert would
Speaker 1: absolutely vibe. Really, you are unexpected. You are not an
Speaker 1: expected boring person to have a conversation with. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think he's talking about people that only know one thing
Speaker 1: and they like set up conversations to be able to
Speaker 1: talk about the one thing they know about. Ye like
Speaker 1: not what you do.
Speaker 2: Like he used Star Wars and Star Trek and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: a guy and a girl. They're just like playing there
Speaker 2: as Luke and and yeah and sis.
Speaker 1: They were great. We've never really had movie reviewers since them,
Speaker 1: like in that kind of prestige and fame. There's like
Speaker 1: Ao Scott even, Oh yeah, I do know Aoscott, You're right,
Speaker 1: but that's like it, you're right. I mean they're like
Speaker 1: those two were like the last big movie reviewers and anomaly.
Speaker 1: Like now it's Rotten Tomatoes. And when I go on
Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes, like the people that are like up at
Speaker 1: the top are from like websites and publications I've never
Speaker 1: heard of, Like I never see major newspaper or like
Speaker 1: magazines reviewers at the top of Rotten Tomatoes. It's always
Speaker 1: like I like movies, Dot Biz. I hated this, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, not the same, but you know what, I
Speaker 1: watch Tricksy and Katya watching Netflix shows on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: that's as close to the Ciscal and Ebert that we
Speaker 1: could ever get. You're right, we have them. We do
Speaker 1: have Siskel and Ebert, and it's Katya and Tricksy.
Speaker 2: Benson's gonna go play some pr okay and she says, Eric, listen,
Speaker 2: you need to let us do our jobs. And he
Speaker 2: apologizes and says he should have been more careful, but
Speaker 2: every time he hears about a child being attacked, he
Speaker 2: thinks about his sister Grace. She knows it's personal to
Speaker 2: him but also for them, and also personal gets in
Speaker 2: the way and Blur's judgment and he's like, no, I
Speaker 2: feel clear, I know dirt on these guys you don't
Speaker 2: even know. And Benson's like, stop, even if you don't
Speaker 2: trust Stabler, trust me, we're gonna get this guy the
Speaker 2: right way. And we cut to Finn doing a presentation
Speaker 2: to the crew in the squad room and the board
Speaker 2: is a bunch of creeps faces and circles on a
Speaker 2: map of the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I said, I never know where I stand with
Speaker 2: Vigilante Justice, but I think I love it.
Speaker 1: I think I'm individually Ante Justice.
Speaker 2: And Craig like when the when the neighborhood of was
Speaker 2: it Higlan, whatever, whatever neighborhood in La caught the Night's soccer.
Speaker 2: Like that footage to me, I could watch it, like
Speaker 2: I should watch it to get hyped, Like, yeah, community
Speaker 2: coming together.
Speaker 1: To catch this killer. I like that. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: when he was like on the run. You see a killer,
Speaker 1: go tackle him. I don't know if I agree with
Speaker 1: like the guys that dressed up like superheroes and went
Speaker 1: out in the night to get people in another episode
Speaker 1: of the show, or like these co app people that
Speaker 1: are like making wanted posters for poor people with mental
Speaker 1: like you know, disabilities, or like the lesbians. What's the one,
Speaker 1: what's the one that Kathy Griffin runs Lesbians Apple Aggressives. No, No,
Speaker 1: Big Apple is different. Kathy Griffin runs one that's called
Speaker 1: lesbians Lesbian Less Wrong, le Lester Strong, Lesbie Strong. Well,
Speaker 1: they're not really vigilantes against crime. They're just pro lesbians,
Speaker 1: so they're allowed, they're allowed to be alive. But like
Speaker 1: the superhero dorks that are like vigilant, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the vigilantes, I'm like Eric Roberts is on the
Speaker 1: show as a vigilante. I think in earlier seasons.
Speaker 2: He's wrong about that coming up. I don't remember I
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts brother. How dare you talk to me like that?
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't know that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry, you don't think he's been on SVU. You
Speaker 1: don't think everyone knows.
Speaker 2: Eric Roberts and Julia Roberts are siblings, and Emma Roberts
Speaker 2: is their niece.
Speaker 1: I mean his I don't know. I bet you some
Speaker 1: people don't know. I bet you someone write in time
Speaker 1: I broke the news to you today. I want to
Speaker 1: know if I'm educating people.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: He plays a guy named San Winfield in two episodes,
Speaker 1: and he's uh, he's a former cop and an activist
Speaker 1: quote unquote. So yeah, they do this a lot. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of like the cops going against vigilante people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Craigan says, you know, go corral these creeps.
Speaker 1: Okay, does everyone know where we are? We're in the squadroom.
Speaker 2: So then it cuts to a bunch of lawyers being
Speaker 2: held back in the squadroom trying to see their clients,
Speaker 2: and Cragan's like, you can see it's a little busy
Speaker 2: in here, and everyone's busy talking to creeps at their desk,
Speaker 2: and some are chill and proud they have alibis, and
Speaker 2: some are fucking screaming, losing it that they didn't rape
Speaker 2: any little girls. And we're back onto the pedophile computer
Speaker 2: system and Munches turning all the red circles representing creeps
Speaker 2: into green circles, saying clear, clear clear. Finn says, great,
Speaker 2: now we gotta get this place fumigated.
Speaker 1: I get it. I was like, were there rats there?
Speaker 2: Pedophile Benson says, sometimes you shake the tree and nothing
Speaker 2: falls out, and Cragan sends everyone home and says they'll
Speaker 2: shake more trees in the morning. So then Stable and
Speaker 2: Benson turn around at the same time together and stand
Speaker 2: leaning on their crossed arms.
Speaker 1: At like elbows on the table. It's super cute, like
Speaker 1: a cherub pose. That's how I would describe it, like
Speaker 1: a little cherubs. And he's like, you thinking what I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I hope not. I love it, but
Speaker 1: obviously it's you know, to go to Eric's house, and
Speaker 1: she says, but I'm scared he gives us something good
Speaker 1: and then throws it out and then then you know
Speaker 1: it's thrown out in court. But Stabler's like, what if
Speaker 1: it's enough to stop another little girl from getting raped.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 2: And she's nervous if she's seen comparing notes with a
Speaker 2: known vigilante, and it's like no one is paying attention,
Speaker 2: like no one is watching you guys, and Stabler's unless
Speaker 2: they are. And Stabler is like, you're just having coffee
Speaker 2: with a guy who thinks you're cute. And they grin
Speaker 2: and they start moving. So they're at Eric's house having
Speaker 2: red wine, clink the glasses and he's like hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: hell let's fuck and she's like, this is purely professional.
Speaker 2: And he says that he got involved with pedophile vigilanteism
Speaker 2: because he did the website, their website for free, so
Speaker 2: this organization existed.
Speaker 1: He did their website. He's a computer geek. Did you
Speaker 1: watch Daria?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you Quinn morgendor for you know, she's like
Speaker 2: the popular sister. Did you watch the one where their
Speaker 2: house was on fire so they had to live in
Speaker 2: the hotel.
Speaker 1: No, So they're living in this hote tell and a
Speaker 1: bell hop is like, hey, you know, my uncle owns
Speaker 1: the hotel.
Speaker 2: I'll get you the president's suite and this and that.
Speaker 2: He's whining and dining.
Speaker 1: But it ends up being a stalker and the police
Speaker 1: come and then they're like, man, don't worry. You know,
Speaker 1: the uncle actually doesn't own it.
Speaker 2: He just works at the hotel and was charging it
Speaker 2: to the room and then deleting the charges. And Quinn goes, ew,
Speaker 2: you mean I went out with a computer geek, like
Speaker 2: she didn't care about the stalking. I thank you for laughing.
Speaker 2: It did take that story to take longer than I thought,
Speaker 2: But I loved Daria.
Speaker 1: And then there's a painting you kind of you could
Speaker 1: be Daria for Halloween. I know I have like the
Speaker 1: glasses and the hair. Yeah I could. Yeah. Yeah. People
Speaker 1: also say Linda Belcher, but you've done that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did do that once. But this I kind of am obsessed.
Speaker 1: I know I could get like a little blazer and
Speaker 1: like yeah.
Speaker 2: And then there's a painting of a young girl in
Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, a blazer, little skirt, boots, black boots
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, I mean, you should be Daria. Maybe
Speaker 2: next year. This feels too close. We're going on tour.
Speaker 2: How am I going to procure Doria costume? No, I'm
Speaker 2: not passionate enough about Doria to be her for Halloween.
Speaker 2: I think I have to be more passionate. I do
Speaker 2: like her.
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at her right now on my wall.
Speaker 1: I have a needle point Daria, and and you would
Speaker 1: crush it, you would really crush it. Oh God, this
Speaker 1: is taking forever. And there's okay.
Speaker 2: So then there's a painting of a young girl and
Speaker 2: Benson asks if it's his sister, and.
Speaker 1: Uh, of course it is.
Speaker 2: So he painted it when he was sixteen, right after
Speaker 2: the attack, and she says it's beautiful, and he wanted
Speaker 2: to show Grace how happy she was and how she
Speaker 2: can get back there, but the rapist took everything, and
Speaker 2: three months later their mother found her hanging in the
Speaker 2: closet and Benson's like, I'm so sorry, and he says,
Speaker 2: we went to a dark place too for not protecting her,
Speaker 2: you know, And so he says that he also went
Speaker 2: to a dark place for not being able to protect
Speaker 2: her as her big brother. Then he says, I want
Speaker 2: to show you something and approaches like seven computer moroditors,
Speaker 2: and she's like, fuck, we gotta be careful, and he
Speaker 2: rightfully responds like, isn't this what you came here for?
Speaker 2: And she says I did, but you're a civilian, so
Speaker 2: I can't like direct you to do something you know
Speaker 2: it's illegal. And he says that he did this months ago,
Speaker 2: and he says, child molesters are all about secrecy and
Speaker 2: so and they're really worried about security. So he came
Speaker 2: up with a bunch of door knob signs and everyone
Speaker 2: on the red and he put them on everyone's doors.
Speaker 2: That's on the registry and it's for cybersecurity services. But
Speaker 2: his service wasn't actually secure, and it installed a virus
Speaker 2: in their computers which allows him to remotely view everything
Speaker 2: they do. But she can't see it because it's you know,
Speaker 2: illegally all connected.
Speaker 1: YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: But he said that in two thousand and seven in
Speaker 2: California they use this and like they use the hackers
Speaker 2: in photo put away a judge who is into kitty
Speaker 2: porn in quotes, and that's what you know he wants
Speaker 2: to do here. And he says he found so many
Speaker 2: images from all these hard drives, and holy shit, the
Speaker 2: photo of ros comes up and it's coming from the
Speaker 2: Upper East Side and it was uploaded ninety minutes after
Speaker 2: the attack. And also the girl from yesterday's on the
Speaker 2: person's drive too, And then we cut straight to Stephen
Speaker 2: Tablowski Freaky Friday, Groundhog's Day and literally eight hundred things
Speaker 2: like he's he's been working and I feel like he's
Speaker 2: a part of our lives. It's really cool. And so
Speaker 2: he's leaving for work as a pregnant woman in a
Speaker 2: pink rob It's like, have a good day, and booms,
Speaker 2: Stabler cuffs him, and Benson runs up and hands a
Speaker 2: woman a warrant and says, we're going to take your computers.
Speaker 1: Ma'am, don't get in our way.
Speaker 2: She screams Edwin, and you know, he screams Louis So
Speaker 2: now an interrogation asking why is he here, and Marishka's like, well,
Speaker 2: why were you in a Connecticut police station in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven and it's because he had inappropriate contact with
Speaker 2: a ten year old girl? And where why were you
Speaker 2: in a police station in Maryland in two thousand and
Speaker 2: two old forcible fondling? And he says he admitted to
Speaker 2: those and he went away, and Benson, snarky as fuck, says, well,
Speaker 2: not long enough. And they asked where he was yesterday afternoon,
Speaker 2: and he says every afternoon, he takes the break and
Speaker 2: reads in the park and kIPS Bay and Rose and
Speaker 2: Mandy were raped there, Stabler says in Tablowski aka, Evan
Speaker 2: responds who, and they push did anyone see you there?
Speaker 2: And he says, well hopefully, And Benson's like, what were
Speaker 2: you reading Lolita so you could get your juices flowing?
Speaker 2: Ew Benson ew okay, and they PLoP the photos on
Speaker 2: the table and he says that he didn't take those,
Speaker 2: and then Stabler's like, why did we find them on
Speaker 2: your computer?
Speaker 1: And he screams, this would get thrown out, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think this would fully get thrown out. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he screams what while trying to stand up, and
Speaker 1: they push his shoulders back down and he says, please, please,
Speaker 1: I didn't do this and you have to let me go.
Speaker 1: And then he says something horrifying that Luis doesn't even
Speaker 1: know any of this and he's kept everything a secret,
Speaker 1: his parole everything. That's scary. I don't like.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's fair to background and check
Speaker 2: anyone you want. I think if you date someone, you
Speaker 2: can background check them.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Yeah, I don't know, sure, I've
Speaker 1: never done it, but like, yeah, that is scary. That
Speaker 1: you could be like really pregnant with someone's child and
Speaker 1: have like a whirlwind one year romance and not realize
Speaker 1: they've like went away for tumbless stations. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: why it's fucked out.
Speaker 2: And I guess like you kind of also socially knew
Speaker 2: your now husband, so it wasn't like I feel like
Speaker 2: if he was arrested for child to pornograph, who would
Speaker 2: know about it?
Speaker 1: I would know? Yeah, you know, I know the molesters. Also,
Speaker 1: like I have all Jared's passwords. I could steal his
Speaker 1: identity in two seconds, so like I know what he's
Speaker 1: doing online.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I believe in background checking everyone. I think
Speaker 2: it's even moral to hire a PI to take photographs
Speaker 2: and spy on them. I don't give a shit, Like
Speaker 2: with with stuff like this going on, no one's safe.
Speaker 2: And he said they put that on the shirt. He
Speaker 2: said they just met a year ago and it was
Speaker 2: a whirlwind thing. And Benson said, well, guess who's crashed
Speaker 2: back into Earth. I mean, the lines in this episode
Speaker 2: are really killer. Three strikes throughout, says Stabler, and Edwin's nervous,
Speaker 2: like biting his fist. He and he's just super pressed
Speaker 2: about all this, and he's like, I got to see
Speaker 2: my lawyer right now. And Benson and Stabler are walking
Speaker 2: and talking and how they love to watch grown men cry,
Speaker 2: and the defense attorney walks on in and she's fancy,
Speaker 2: I would say, and she wants to see Edwin and
Speaker 2: they're like, too late. He's going to arraignment. And when
Speaker 2: they tell her for what, she's shocked and she's like,
Speaker 2: you're a mistake. And he's a tax guy and a
Speaker 2: church deacon, and it's like those are actually signs.
Speaker 1: Of pedophilia, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: What I like the church deacon and being shocked about
Speaker 2: the molesting is l like that would ever be surprising.
Speaker 2: And Stabler's like, you're forgetting registered sex defender and she
Speaker 2: looks shocked, and they realize that the family lawyer didn't
Speaker 2: know this information. Oh my god, I'm behind them. In
Speaker 2: the cage, Edwin is getting the shit beat out of
Speaker 2: him by a uniformed officer, screaming he raped those girls,
Speaker 2: and he's bloody and breathlessly saying like hell me, help me,
Speaker 2: help me. And now Craigan walks into, but he's already
Speaker 2: been in prison. Didn't he learn how to fight a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I know you were there for nine years as a
Speaker 1: child molester, like that must have been yeah, Like get
Speaker 1: get it together, fight back like you're yeah. Now, Craigan
Speaker 1: walks into a room where the unicop is sitting and
Speaker 1: he's like, is this clown really on the job. So
Speaker 1: he lied downstairs and finangled his way and he did
Speaker 1: come to do it. The daughter.
Speaker 2: His daughter's in the same swim class, and we you know,
Speaker 2: so he knew Mandy forever. She's been over at sleepovers
Speaker 2: at their house. So he saw red and Craigan's like,
Speaker 2: you fucked up your own career, and he says, I know,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have ever signed up for the you know
Speaker 2: those tweets, and they're like, what tweets? So there's a
Speaker 2: watch group in the neighborhood and they have a Twitter
Speaker 2: called creep Tweets.
Speaker 1: Use creep tweets, link your creep tweets to your purv
Speaker 1: pointer and find out we're all okay.
Speaker 2: So now creep tweets are being mentioned in court by
Speaker 2: Edwin's lawyer, and.
Speaker 1: We're out of arrainment. And the DA is truly a woman.
Speaker 1: I refuse to learn her face, like I want to
Speaker 1: have the facial blindness for this woman. Uh call me
Speaker 1: a mensraic.
Speaker 2: Activist, but I don't give a shit about her. So
Speaker 2: then but the judge, the judge is a sex and
Speaker 2: the City queen as well. So this judged. This episode's
Speaker 2: one of my favorites. You know, Hot Child in the
Speaker 2: City where Carrie starts dating the comic book guy and
Speaker 2: he lives Power Lad, Power Lad, and so he so
Speaker 2: this is his mother.
Speaker 1: This is power Lad's mother that's like Carrie and like
Speaker 1: calling and then.
Speaker 2: Catches them smoking weed and then Carrie grabs the weed
Speaker 2: on the way out and she goes, yes, Missus Adams,
Speaker 2: and I'm taking it away.
Speaker 1: With me when I go yeah, and her.
Speaker 2: Little shorts in that episode the Chicken Weing, it's a
Speaker 2: weed episode. There's a couple of wead episodes, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is one of my favorites. And he was in
Speaker 2: he was at Carolines in the audience once years and
Speaker 2: years ago when I was opening for David toew.
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: So this is Missus Adams and they're talking about the
Speaker 2: attack in the cage and the judge is not happy
Speaker 2: that he was assaulted in their custody and miss West
Speaker 2: I did learn her name is the DA and Craigan
Speaker 2: said it won't happen again, and she says, just passing
Speaker 2: the buck, and the judge's like, actually, captain, I.
Speaker 1: Want to talk to your ass. How many cops do
Speaker 1: you have? And he says one hundred and she's like
Speaker 1: and yet somehow one man got past all of them,
Speaker 1: and Craigan's like he lied and had fake paperwork and
Speaker 1: the judge is like yes or no, and he says yes,
Speaker 1: and then Miss West says Craigan is not the one
Speaker 1: being arraigned here today, and Craigan then says, your honor,
Speaker 1: all due respect, do not release this man. He is
Speaker 1: a flight risk.
Speaker 2: And his lawyer's like a baby on the way, I
Speaker 2: think that's a reason to be tied down. So they
Speaker 2: argue back and forth and Craigan is like, protect the
Speaker 2: community and Edwin's like, no, protect me from the police, please,
Speaker 2: and she agrees with Edwin. So his bail is granted
Speaker 2: at fifty thousand and he just has to surrender his passport, and.
Speaker 1: The the baby on the way is like, kept any
Speaker 1: man tied down? Like, really, if you were fleeing from
Speaker 1: possible like life in prison, bye baby, Like you do
Speaker 1: not care?
Speaker 2: Amen, okay. And so the lawyer's like, just a little
Speaker 2: bit of paperwork and then your wife will pick you up.
Speaker 2: And he's obviously so upset. He's like, my wife, God, no, please,
Speaker 2: she can't know about this. And so the vigilante group
Speaker 2: is outside with poster boards and who has the time.
Speaker 2: So Stabler comes out and the reporter starts trying to
Speaker 2: fuck with him, and he's not really feeling it. But
Speaker 2: then they see Edwin and they're like, fuck Stabler, let's
Speaker 2: go get Edwin. So although media mob like runs to
Speaker 2: get his ass and they run to him, and he
Speaker 2: sees his wife and she's so mad at him, and
Speaker 2: she looks at him with such disgust. And he gets
Speaker 2: into the you know, he gets in the car and
Speaker 2: stares at the detectives. He really stares at the detectives,
Speaker 2: and then he drives his Jaguar right into a truck.
Speaker 2: It's not a gas truck, but it does explode into fire.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom. Eric says, oh my god, and there
Speaker 1: is a fire, and the detectives look at the fire
Speaker 1: and everyone is like, wow, there's a fire. And then
Speaker 1: it cuts the squad watching the news and it says
Speaker 1: Deviant dead and they can't believe it, but Benson is
Speaker 1: like cold as fuck, and he's like, Hey, if the
Speaker 1: vigilantes stay this tough, that's good news, and we'll save
Speaker 1: a lot of money for trials, you know, and we
Speaker 1: could speed race to all these motherfucker's deaths.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty like hardcore. And we hear a little
Speaker 2: voice and she says, is it true? The man is
Speaker 2: really dead? And Benson says, yes, Mandy, he felt so
Speaker 2: guilty that he took his own life. And then she
Speaker 2: brings them to the interview room. Eric runs into Stabler
Speaker 2: and he's there with some evidence. So there's a hard
Speaker 2: drive and he brings it in and he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much you can use, but I thought
Speaker 2: the real cops should have it. And so then Benson's
Speaker 2: telling the girls about city counseling and support services and
Speaker 2: it's all free, and then she's like, well, maybe something
Speaker 2: else can help because she sees Eric and.
Speaker 1: She goes, don't you want to learn karate?
Speaker 2: And she goes cool, and so she calls Eric into
Speaker 2: the room and introduces Eric to the mom and to Mandy,
Speaker 2: the little girl, and once he starts talking, she looks
Speaker 2: immediately shocked and scared and just like fuck not the same,
Speaker 2: And Benson notices something is off and Mandy is like
Speaker 2: frozen and asks and she's like, are you okay? And
Speaker 2: she goes, I want to go home now, and then
Speaker 2: when she gets up on the chair, there's a big
Speaker 2: puddle of piss.
Speaker 1: And this is like the movie Ransom. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I don't remember this? Something like this happened in Ransom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he peed down his pants and that's how they
Speaker 1: knew who the killer was. Yeah, what is it? But
Speaker 1: also like wouldn't did any of the girls say the
Speaker 1: man had an accent?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But they're kids, I know, But like you could say,
Speaker 1: he doesn't talk like you were me. I mean like
Speaker 1: Rosie knows Pepa Pig talks different, and like Bluie talks different,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like if they had, like
Speaker 1: if there had been an accent, I feel like that
Speaker 1: would have like maybe tipped Olivia or something earlier. But
Speaker 1: you blame no, non blaming.
Speaker 2: The cops should have asked Ben's Yeah, they should have.
Speaker 2: Did the criminals sound like Pepa Pig? That would be
Speaker 2: a perfect question. So there's a piss so if a
Speaker 2: kid is pissing, the killers in the room. So then
Speaker 2: Benson says, Mandy just told us who really raped her.
Speaker 2: So we cut to Eric opening the door to his
Speaker 2: apartment and it's Benson there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love this scene. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're nearing the end, guys, let's do this. So Eric
Speaker 1: opens the door in the apartment and Benson's there to
Speaker 1: see him, and he's like, wow, surprise, and she's like,
Speaker 1: what can't just drop by for a glass of wine?
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, you're a psychopath.
Speaker 2: He says sorry, I'm all out, but also he was thinking,
Speaker 2: and before he can say anything more, Benson goes, you
Speaker 2: want to stop seeing me, and he's like, it's not you,
Speaker 2: but I'm just too wound up and too many painful memories.
Speaker 2: And Benson then like pushes him, I'm not even your type, right,
Speaker 2: I'm a little old. And she's acting smug as hell
Speaker 2: and it's like, you're a fucking liar and he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about, and she's like,
Speaker 2: look at you keep lying and the biggest lie is
Speaker 2: you hating pedophiles trying to get pedophiles, and he screams,
Speaker 2: don't call me that, and she says, I didn't, but
Speaker 2: that's weird that you thought I did. And he says,
Speaker 2: just because I don't want to date you, and she's like,
Speaker 2: just tell the truth.
Speaker 1: You never wanted to date me. You just wanted to
Speaker 1: suss out what the cops knew.
Speaker 2: So you know, you slithered up and whipped out your
Speaker 2: purve pointer and your drive and makes we were watching
Speaker 2: the creep down the street or in the park. But
Speaker 2: I think you moved to this neighborhood on purpose because
Speaker 2: it's the perfect cover for raping little girls. And he's like,
Speaker 2: I want you out of here, and Benson says, you're
Speaker 2: the karate expert. Make me and he smiles and he
Speaker 2: ain't gonna do shit, and he giggles and walks away
Speaker 2: and says I'm gonna call the police, and she's like,
Speaker 2: and tell them what that You fingered Adelson for a
Speaker 2: crime he didn't commit. And it's like fingered means something else.
Speaker 2: It's like, you can't do that. They say fingered in
Speaker 2: this all the time, but like language changes, things start
Speaker 2: eating other things. You can't hate it keeps sat fingers.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like so weird. He screams and is
Speaker 1: getting agitated, and Benson's like, nope, bro, you hacked him
Speaker 1: and you did it, and he says and He's like, no,
Speaker 1: he did it, Olivia, and that's why he offed himself.
Speaker 1: And she says, because you drove him to it, just
Speaker 1: like how you drove your sister to do that. And
Speaker 1: she points to the painting while talking, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: now you're really losing it. Grace hung herself in eighty
Speaker 1: two and walks out a woman, saying, then how can
Speaker 1: I be standing right here? And Stabler's behind and Eric
Speaker 1: looks shocked and the violins start playing, and he says Grace,
Speaker 1: and Sablor says she was super easy to find. She
Speaker 1: was just like in Delaware in a phone book.
Speaker 2: But you needed her dead, didn't you, for your sob stories,
Speaker 2: so nobody would peek under the mask. And then she says,
Speaker 2: you raped me, Eric, I was only nine, and then
Speaker 2: you try to convince me it was a mistake, you swore.
Speaker 2: She started walking like walking towards Eric and he's crying
Speaker 2: and she says, but you kept on raping how many Eric,
Speaker 2: how many girls pictures did you paint? And then he screams,
Speaker 2: I can't help it. Don't you see, I'm sick. I
Speaker 2: can't control myself. You have, I had no idea what
Speaker 2: it's like. I try so hard to not look at
Speaker 2: little girls. And he fights against it and every time
Speaker 2: it wins, and Benson says, enough with her, sob story.
Speaker 2: Don't you judge me, bitch? You make me sick. Every
Speaker 2: time I stand near you, I have to hold my breath.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, finally, you tell the truth. And he
Speaker 2: gets mad and tries to comfort her, and she knocks
Speaker 2: his ass to the ground. Bye bye, and he hits
Speaker 2: the floor, and Sablor pulls out his gun and Grace
Speaker 2: pulls like some weapon that the grim Reaper would hold?
Speaker 2: Was that it was a grim Reaper?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it like a like a scythe or like
Speaker 1: like a machete. I don't know. It was wild, It
Speaker 1: was really wild.
Speaker 2: And she's crying and then she she attacks the painting
Speaker 2: and so she starts ripping the painting apart, and it
Speaker 2: ends on our detectives' faces, and an amazing episode of
Speaker 2: television twists and turns. One of my favorite red herrings,
Speaker 2: but not red hairing. I mean it's like it's incredible, one.
Speaker 1: Of the most amazing twists in the history of the show,
Speaker 1: and very similar to fast forward this if you've never
Speaker 1: read or seen The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. But
Speaker 1: to me, this is like the exact ending of The
Speaker 1: Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is like this girl that
Speaker 1: they everyone has assumed has been dead the entire time
Speaker 1: comes back and is like, yeah, my brother was raping
Speaker 1: me forever, like and it's like a huge twist at
Speaker 1: the end of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, which only
Speaker 1: came out, like the book only came out a couple
Speaker 1: years before this episode, so I feel like I wonder
Speaker 1: if someone was reading it. But it's like it's like
Speaker 1: also with this guy Eric, Like I think that that
Speaker 1: is how pedophies feel. Like I try not to do it.
Speaker 1: I really try. I really try, and like I'm sick
Speaker 1: and I can't control myself, and like I do think
Speaker 1: that's how bout a files feel. But then it's like
Speaker 1: you're framing other people, you're ruining other people's lives, and
Speaker 1: you're like out there, yeah, like putting up posters of
Speaker 1: a poor mentally ill boy being like get this freak
Speaker 1: when it's like you you're like a Republican, Like you're
Speaker 1: this guy talking about like family values while you're trying
Speaker 1: to tap on somebody's foot in a stall to get
Speaker 1: a BJ you know what I mean. Like that's like
Speaker 1: why this guy gets like no sympathy from me.
Speaker 2: Like, also, just get castrated, Like all these fucking perfs
Speaker 2: should just get their sperm cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah does that work? You get like chemically castrated? I
Speaker 1: bet you. There's still other ways you could hurt people.
Speaker 1: But anyway, an amazing episode, a depressing crime to follow,
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere, listen to our advertisements and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. Okay. So, even though I think that
Speaker 1: the end part of the episode has to do with
Speaker 1: the girl with the dragon tattoo, in my opinion, uh,
Speaker 1: the real true crime is connected to the compulsive gamers
Speaker 1: that are Rose Simonsky's parents at the beginning of Wow
Speaker 1: so cool. Yeah, so this is called the it's not
Speaker 1: that cool when you hear the song. I know, but
Speaker 1: I that's not what I had. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: crime you were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am, because that is a very interesting
Speaker 2: part of this episode and it always I remember it
Speaker 2: and the whole interaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's just well, they put a lot of
Speaker 1: little details into it that show you how connected it
Speaker 1: is to this. So it's based on the case of
Speaker 1: Kim Sarong, but in Korea they put the last name first,
Speaker 1: I believe, so Sarong is her first name and it
Speaker 1: means love. And she was the three month old child
Speaker 1: of Jbaum Kim, age forty and his common law wife
Speaker 1: Young Chung Kim, age twenty five. These two parents were poor, unemployed,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately were extremely addicted to a massive multiplayer online
Speaker 1: role playing game also known as an MMO RPG called Prius.
Speaker 1: Probably the most famous MMO RPG as World of Warcraft,
Speaker 1: but this one was called Prius, and this couple would
Speaker 1: allegedly leave their baby home for like hours at a time,
Speaker 1: like eight to ten hours to go to an internet
Speaker 1: cafe and play the game. And the super fucked up
Speaker 1: part of it is just like in the episode, the
Speaker 1: game is all about raising a child. It's about raising
Speaker 1: a little girl and giving her all these powers and
Speaker 1: then she fights and stuff. So they would leave their
Speaker 1: real child to go raise like an online game child.
Speaker 1: And one night they came in September of two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. One morning, they came home at seven am
Speaker 1: after playing the game for ten hours at one of
Speaker 1: these gaming places, like they kept calling them, like oh,
Speaker 1: video bang or game bang or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like these they're like these places all over Korea,
Speaker 1: South Korea where you can play games for like long
Speaker 1: amounts of time. I mean, I'm sure we have them
Speaker 1: in the US, but they're like prolific in Korea. And
Speaker 1: when they got home at seven am, the baby was passed.
Speaker 1: The baby had to say sad. I know, it's like
Speaker 1: so super sad. And her time of death she weighed
Speaker 1: five point five pounds, which is less than her birth
Speaker 1: weight of six point four pounds. So to have not
Speaker 1: gained any weight in your first three months of life
Speaker 1: is like not good. And the police noted the low
Speaker 1: weight and the dehydration and they immediately became suspicious and
Speaker 1: the cause of death was ruled malnutrition. And according to
Speaker 1: the police, the mother had not sought any medical care
Speaker 1: prior to giving birth, like she had kno gone to
Speaker 1: the doctor, no checkups, no vitamins, like nothing. She did
Speaker 1: not know how to be a mom. She fed the
Speaker 1: baby spoiled milk, and one investigator said she just had
Speaker 1: no idea how to raise a child. So after her death,
Speaker 1: the parents were afraid to alert the police and just
Speaker 1: started like looking up funeral arrangements online. And then I
Speaker 1: will talk about this in a little bit, but there
Speaker 1: was a documentary about this case made and in the documentary,
Speaker 1: this veteran detective says, whose name is Sang Yun Hahn says,
Speaker 1: a typical parent would weep in this situation, but they
Speaker 1: showed no emotion. And then he said, none of us
Speaker 1: believed it at first, like they couldn't believe that this
Speaker 1: was like the result of the parents.
Speaker 2: And I'm huse, so they didn't how did the police
Speaker 2: find out if.
Speaker 1: They eventually they did. Eventually they did call the police,
Speaker 1: like after they like looked up funeral arrangements, but like
Speaker 1: they knew they had, like they saw in their search
Speaker 1: history that they didn't call the police right away. They
Speaker 1: first looked up funeral arrangements, then they called the police.
Speaker 1: Then while they're doing the autopsy, which apparently takes a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, they let the parents go. They let
Speaker 1: them go free, and then they disappeared after the baby's funeral,
Speaker 1: they like peaced out, so this was September of nine
Speaker 1: when this happened. It took them until February of twenty
Speaker 1: ten to find them, although they were hiding in an
Speaker 1: isolated village where their parents lived, so kind of should
Speaker 1: have been the first stop. But then after they captured
Speaker 1: them in February, the story started to go international in
Speaker 1: March of twenty ten, and then the trial was in
Speaker 1: April of twenty ten, and the trial lasted just over
Speaker 1: a half an hour. So in Korea, trials are like
Speaker 1: episodes of law and Order restview. They happened very quickly
Speaker 1: and everything has resolved fast. The parents confess to charges
Speaker 1: of involuntary manslaughter. The father said in court I think quote,
Speaker 1: I think of our baby in heaven. I will be
Speaker 1: guilty until the day I die, and the prosecutor was
Speaker 1: aiming for five year sentences for them. But this case
Speaker 1: also stood to set legal precedents because no one had
Speaker 1: used gaming addiction as a defense before, and gaming addiction
Speaker 1: had never as they knew, led to a fatality before,
Speaker 1: as far as they knew, like they didn't know that
Speaker 1: a gaming addiction had ever led to somebody dying, but
Speaker 1: the judge went lenient on them. But why well, I
Speaker 1: think that I think it was because they realized how
Speaker 1: addicted to this game they were, and like that they
Speaker 1: were not in their right minds. I guess like he
Speaker 1: gave them two he gave them both two year sentences
Speaker 1: in prison. The mother's sentence was suspended because she was
Speaker 1: pregnant with their second child, but they both swore that
Speaker 1: they would never play games again. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the mom just like I don't think ever saw jail
Speaker 1: time because her sentence was suspended indefinitely. And then the dad,
Speaker 1: I think, did two years in jail. The case raised
Speaker 1: a lot of issues about the dark side of the
Speaker 1: internet in a country with very, very advanced broadband like Chris,
Speaker 1: South Korea is like one of the considered one of
Speaker 1: the digital capitals of the world. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: like a it's like a problem there, like it's a five.
Speaker 1: There's a five. As of twenty ten, the gaming industry
Speaker 1: was five billion dollars there, so it's definitely more now.
Speaker 1: Online addiction is apparently very common in Korea, and so
Speaker 1: someone made this HBO documentary called Love Child. It's unfortunately
Speaker 1: no longer on HBO. But I did find it online
Speaker 1: and I watched a bunch of it and it's so
Speaker 1: we'll put that in our show notes if you want
Speaker 1: to watch it. And it was directed by Valerie Veach
Speaker 1: v A. T. C. H. I don't know. I say
Speaker 1: that vachvich and was it was about the tragedy, but
Speaker 1: instead of just like vilifying the negligent parents, it kind
Speaker 1: of looks more broadly at the country where like an
Speaker 1: estimated two million people are addicted to gaming, and they
Speaker 1: talk about in the documentary about like a twenty eight
Speaker 1: year old woman who died of heart failure after playing
Speaker 1: a game for fifty hours straight and then so that's
Speaker 1: like interesting the documentary kind of they never show their faces,
Speaker 1: the parents' faces, and like, honestly, you look up information
Speaker 1: and there's nothing about like what happened to their second
Speaker 1: kid or if they're all living happily right now. Like
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I feel sort of like it is maybe
Speaker 1: like a failure of society that no one taught this
Speaker 1: woman how to raise a child, but also like what
Speaker 1: was going on with you, Like apparently her family wasn't
Speaker 1: helping because they didn't approve of the age difference between
Speaker 1: her and her guy was twenty five and forty, so
Speaker 1: they didn't like that age difference, and so like, I
Speaker 1: guess maybe a mom around would have said, Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta feed your kid like not spoiled milk, and like
Speaker 1: here's what you do, and you can't leave the baby
Speaker 1: at home alone. But I guess they were like, well,
Speaker 1: the baby's asleep, We're gonna go out and play. Like
Speaker 1: they just weren't being normal. I don't know, but I was.
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad for them, and I think they
Speaker 2: age should have been in jail for at least ten years.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but they were, like Korea felt differently,
Speaker 1: and they were given very lenient sentences and allowed to
Speaker 1: have another child that was not immediately taken away from them.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to look up and see if like
Speaker 1: internet gaming disorder like online addiction, has actually been recognized yet,
Speaker 1: and apparently in twenty thirteen, Internet gaming disorder is identified
Speaker 1: in section three of the DSM five as a condition
Speaker 1: warranting more clinical research and experience before it might be
Speaker 1: considered for inclusion in the main book as a formal disorder,
Speaker 1: but apparently the WHO, the World Health Organization, officially recognized
Speaker 1: gaming disorder in May of twenty nineteen, so it's not
Speaker 1: not in the DSM yet, but it has been recognized
Speaker 1: by one major organization as a problem. So that's that.
Speaker 1: That's the story. I know, it's so sad, it's really sad,
Speaker 1: but this Love Child documentary is interesting and they kind
Speaker 1: of talk about like, you know, what happened, but also,
Speaker 1: you know, the gaming problem in Korea.
Speaker 2: I under you know, it's it's tough, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: feel bad for anyone else addicted to anything else, like
Speaker 2: if your baby died and you were out drinking or
Speaker 2: doing drugs or I don't there yeah, right this video game.
Speaker 2: Like obviously there's but like people have issues, but like
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad like if your baby dies.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's so I know, long in jail,
Speaker 1: I know, I just feel like they were like the
Speaker 1: people in the show, like they were just like completely
Speaker 1: not on the planet, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: besides her cap Groad delusion thing which was like added
Speaker 1: on to it, like they just like didn't notice when
Speaker 1: someone burst into their home, like they are just fully
Speaker 1: not living in reality, like not washing themselves, like not
Speaker 1: you know, it just feels like it's like a mental disorder,
Speaker 1: but not officially so I don't know. But I've got
Speaker 1: a great way to cleanse the palette of a deceased baby.
Speaker 1: And it is our next guest. Because you're just in
Speaker 1: for such a treat. I'm so excited about our guests, you, guys,
Speaker 1: Our guest today is truly I mean, we say prolific
Speaker 1: all the time, but the definition of prolific, Like, you
Speaker 1: can't start this. When you scroll this man's IMDb, it
Speaker 1: just goes on forever. Your your thumb will get a cramp.
Speaker 1: You might recognize him from TV shows like Silicon Valley,
Speaker 1: The Goldberg's, Californiaication, and so many others, but you, if
Speaker 1: you're me, he is most memorable to you as Ned
Speaker 1: Ryerson from groundhog Day, and you know him today as
Speaker 1: a pedophile who was wrongly framed for a different crime,
Speaker 1: Edwin Adelson. Guys, enjoy our beautiful conversation with Stephen Tobolowski.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is bitch. We're like thrilled. I'm
Speaker 1: like my mind is blown, Like I can't believe we're
Speaker 1: talking to you, Like you're just so like part of
Speaker 1: every movie or TV show I've like ever watched in
Speaker 1: my life, and I just I'm so thrilled you are
Speaker 1: willing to come on the podcast.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like mold in our house. It's just everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 2: But before we get into full SVU step, since you
Speaker 2: who are so prolific, what do people stop you on
Speaker 2: the streets from?
Speaker 1: Do people what are the things you're most recognized from? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I really need to know how many people call you
Speaker 1: Ned Ryerson on like a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the one good thing about the pandemic, because
Speaker 4: you know, with the mask on a lot of people,
Speaker 4: you know, they go like is that Ned? I don't know,
Speaker 4: but usually at least one or two people a day
Speaker 4: spot me as Ned. And those people inevitably say, has
Speaker 4: anyone ever said are you Ned? And I say, yeah,
Speaker 4: like about thirty minutes ago. But what I do now
Speaker 4: is because my career over the time has become so
Speaker 4: varied when people come up to me and they go
Speaker 4: like you, I know you you were from? And then
Speaker 4: I have to do a quick terminator scan of the
Speaker 4: person and see like who is this person? What am
Speaker 4: I going to say? So if I see a tattoo,
Speaker 4: and I'll go like, yeah, Californication. I played stoop Eggs
Speaker 4: in Californication. If I see you like a nerdy T shirt,
Speaker 4: I go, yep, Silicon Valley, Yeah, Jack Barker, Silicon Valley.
Speaker 4: And if they're just you know, mom and dad and
Speaker 4: their kid going, I go, yep, it's ned but the
Speaker 4: best one I ever got, the best one I've ever gotten.
Speaker 4: I've gotten it twice now twice, which is remarkable. I
Speaker 4: was in a movie line in California and someone turned
Speaker 4: around and said, excuse me, are you the voice of
Speaker 4: the calculator in the Brave Little Toaster Goes to Mars?
Speaker 4: And I go, yes, I was the voice of the
Speaker 4: calculator and Brave Little Toaster goes to Mars. And now
Speaker 4: in my career, I've had two people come up to
Speaker 4: me and go, my god, I'm finally meeting you the
Speaker 4: voice of the calculator and Brave Little Toaster goes to Mars.
Speaker 4: My little kid just loved that movie. We watched it
Speaker 4: five hundred times a day. And you're the calculator.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm a mom and I feel like if I heard
Speaker 1: somebody on the street that was from like Paw Patrol movie.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, excuse me, like I would know it.
Speaker 4: And I've done Paw Patrol. I have done Paw Patrol.
Speaker 4: I did their Christmas show. I play some kind of
Speaker 4: elf on Paw Patrol. Oh my god. Yeah, so this
Speaker 4: this Christmas season, be watching that Paw Patrol and be listening,
Speaker 4: you know, I would be listening for the Wayward Elf.
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean it must be so hard.
Speaker 1: That's funny that you're able to do like a scam
Speaker 1: because it's like you have over two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: credits on IMDb. I'd be like if someone was like,
Speaker 1: where do I know you from, I'd be like, take
Speaker 1: out your IMDb app, I don't have time for this,
Speaker 1: Like you know you just like, has anyone munch recognize
Speaker 1: you from Freaky Friday?
Speaker 4: Oh god, yes, Freaky Friday, mister Bates and Freaky Friday.
Speaker 4: And I go absolutely absolutely. I even got one Clayton
Speaker 4: Townly head of the Ku Klux Klan, you know from
Speaker 4: Mississippi Burning? Are you Clayton Townly head of the Ku
Speaker 4: Klux Klan? And I go, well, in the movie, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was fiction, well not fiction, but it.
Speaker 1: Was you know, yeah, not me. Now are you You've
Speaker 1: got to be an offer only type guy? Right?
Speaker 2: Are you still out there auditioning or people are knocking
Speaker 2: on your door?
Speaker 4: I haven't. I well neither. So you know, the last
Speaker 4: few jobs I've gotten, I have not been I have
Speaker 4: not auditioned for. You know, they were offers. But I
Speaker 4: don't know. If I'm an offer only guy. I would
Speaker 4: tell my agents, Hey, you know, if I'm sitting around
Speaker 4: for a couple of months, hey, I'd be happy to audition. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: you know, but I don't really know what the situation is.
Speaker 4: But I just leave that to them and and fate.
Speaker 4: And just if somebody asked me to do something and
Speaker 4: it I'm available and it's something I want to do,
Speaker 4: I'll do.
Speaker 2: It right because I'm also I bet you're someone when
Speaker 2: people write a script they go like a Steven Tablowski type.
Speaker 4: Listen, listen, this is this is what really hurts. It
Speaker 4: really hurts. I had I was going through a dry period,
Speaker 4: as actors often do, and a friend of mine, Joel Reudnick,
Speaker 4: was an agent for I think I forget what now,
Speaker 4: but APA, I think APA, and Joel called me up
Speaker 4: and said, you won't believe this. I'm reading the breakdown
Speaker 4: here and it says Dad looking for a Stephen Tobolowski type.
Speaker 4: So I called it my agent and I got, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: I just want you to know what's in the breakdown here.
Speaker 4: And they said they're looking for a Stephen Tobolowski type.
Speaker 4: My agent said, you're not right for the part. I said,
Speaker 4: that's impossible. I'm Stephen. They said they want to look,
Speaker 4: we'll get you an audition, but you're not right for
Speaker 4: the part. So I went in audition, did not get
Speaker 4: a callback, and my agent said, told you not right
Speaker 4: for the part.
Speaker 1: Oh my, So what do you think that is?
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but it hurt deeply. You know,
Speaker 4: I just did a movie with with Chris Pine, which
Speaker 4: which was it could be really wonderful, and you know,
Speaker 4: the script was off the charts, one of the best
Speaker 4: scripts I'd read, and it was a terrific part. And
Speaker 4: they just wanted to Chris just wanted to talk to me,
Speaker 4: and so we met on zoom and we talked about
Speaker 4: the script. And the name of the character in the
Speaker 4: movie was Stephen Tagaroski, head of the La City Council
Speaker 4: Stephen Tagaroski, and I'm reading the script and I go,
Speaker 4: you gotta be kidding Steven. I mean, come on, guys.
Speaker 4: So I had a great talk with Chris. We talked
Speaker 4: about the part and all the different beats of the part.
Speaker 4: And then the next day I heard nothing. Then a
Speaker 4: week later get a call from my agent. Steven got
Speaker 4: good news. You're still in the running. I go, still
Speaker 4: in the running for Steven Tagaroski. At least they could
Speaker 4: change the name of the guy. I mean, that would
Speaker 4: really cut deep. But I did get the part then
Speaker 4: couldn't And yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Amazing, especially since you liked the script. And Chris Pine
Speaker 2: is a hottie.
Speaker 4: Well he's not only a haughty, but he's a goodie.
Speaker 4: He's a goody and a haughty. I mean, he's a
Speaker 4: wonderful actor, wonderful director. And uh. The movie is called
Speaker 4: pool Man, and I can't wait to see it come
Speaker 4: out because it will be cool man pool Man, and
Speaker 4: it will be very strange. It reminded me of old
Speaker 4: Robert Altman kind of films and kind of an altered reality.
Speaker 4: And I got hopes on it. You know, it made
Speaker 4: me laugh, it moved me, it's a strange movie, so
Speaker 4: I'm hoping it's good.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you said the feelings you got reading
Speaker 1: this Chris Pine script when you got this Bullseye episode
Speaker 1: of Long Order SVU, what kind of feelings did you
Speaker 1: have about your character and what kind of time you remember,
Speaker 1: because we know it was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: It was a long time ago, but I remember when
Speaker 4: when the first Law Order thing I did was a
Speaker 4: criminal intent. But when I Bullseye was the first SVU
Speaker 4: show I did, And when I read that, I went like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is terrific. And my son was
Speaker 4: a huge SVU fan. My son was, and I was
Speaker 4: more of the classic Law and Order fan. You know
Speaker 4: now I've seen every one of them five hundred times.
Speaker 4: So Robert gave me a picture of Chris and Mariska,
Speaker 4: you know, like an eight by ten kind of thing
Speaker 4: and said, a Dad, when you go do this, can
Speaker 4: you get them to sign this for me? And I
Speaker 4: go sure. So I started watching some SVUS and I
Speaker 4: went like, oh, well, they kind of took the idea
Speaker 4: Law and Order always has a kind of twist in it,
Speaker 4: and they multiplied it by about three. And so when
Speaker 4: I read the script of Bullseye. I went, oh, now
Speaker 4: they've multiplied it by four. And I had no idea
Speaker 4: even reading script where it was going to end up
Speaker 4: and where it was going to turn. So I was
Speaker 4: thrilled to do this, first of all for my son Robert,
Speaker 4: and then because I'm reading the script and I go, wow,
Speaker 4: this is really because they had me going, and I
Speaker 4: thought the twists and turns were not cheapies, you know
Speaker 4: they were they were the kind of things that happened
Speaker 4: in this kind of a crime. But I was thrilled.
Speaker 4: I do have a kind of weird origin story about
Speaker 4: this episode of SVU.
Speaker 1: Is that okay, O, course, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the people who who know about Law and Order SVU.
Speaker 4: You know, it shot all over the place. Our costume
Speaker 4: area at that time for Bullseye was in New Jersey.
Speaker 4: That's where and that's where the bulk the cop bullpen is.
Speaker 4: That's where the jail cells were. Uh, that's kind of
Speaker 4: where RISCO would interrogate you if you were going to
Speaker 4: be in a room with the glass. That would be
Speaker 4: in their sets in New Jersey and on Chelsea Piers
Speaker 4: in Lower New York, you know, around twentieth Street or
Speaker 4: whatever on Twelfth Avenue way over by the water is
Speaker 4: where they have the courthouse, so you know, you shoot
Speaker 4: the courthouse there. And then in the process of the show,
Speaker 4: the various locations I had were my house was on
Speaker 4: the Upper West Side, I end up committing suicide and Harlem,
Speaker 4: so you know you're going to be all over the city.
Speaker 4: And so the idea of coming to New York to
Speaker 4: do a law and order show, which I loved, from
Speaker 4: criminal intent because you're always working with the best of
Speaker 4: the best. When you do a law and order show,
Speaker 4: it's just the way it is. Maybe it's because it's
Speaker 4: a machine, but it is a well oiled machine. You know,
Speaker 4: everybody knows what they're doing so well. So I was thrilled.
Speaker 4: And they put me up at some schnazzy hotel on
Speaker 4: Central Park South, where you know, the first one is
Speaker 4: the Plaza, and I was not at the Plaza, but
Speaker 4: I was down there, really schnazzy hotel. They brought me
Speaker 4: in and the only thing I really had to do
Speaker 4: that day was to go to New Jersey for costume fitting.
Speaker 4: That's all I had to do. So I thought I
Speaker 4: am in the Big Apple. I am going to embrace
Speaker 4: the city with all the gusto I have. I'm going
Speaker 4: to get up early. I'm going to take my script.
Speaker 4: I'm going to go out to one of the little
Speaker 4: breakfast joints they have here in New York City that
Speaker 4: are everywhere. Greece he's been study my script and all
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff and the hustle and bustle of
Speaker 4: New York. I came out of the hotel. So I'm
Speaker 4: on Central Park South in like about eighth Avenue, kind
Speaker 4: of over there, and there's nobody anywhere. The city is deserted,
Speaker 4: and I'm going now. I feel like I'm in a
Speaker 4: science fiction movie. I mean, there wasn't even a lot
Speaker 4: of traffic. I could hear cars somewhere, but there was
Speaker 4: no one on the street. So I start walking down
Speaker 4: the avenue downtown looking for one of the many breakfast
Speaker 4: joints there are in New York. And all the breakfast
Speaker 4: joints are gone. And I know this is sounding like
Speaker 4: a dream of some sort, but they all got replaced
Speaker 4: by Starbucks. All those cute little breakfast places were all gone.
Speaker 4: And I walked down about six blocks and then over
Speaker 4: on the right, there is a place that looks like
Speaker 4: they would serve eggs. And it's like eight in the morning,
Speaker 4: something like that now. And I go in and you
Speaker 4: walk up to the cash register and the hostess is
Speaker 4: there at the cash register to seat you. And I
Speaker 4: get going and there's a tap on my shoulder as
Speaker 4: I'm going and I turned around and it's Chris Maloney.
Speaker 4: I go, what now. I feel like I'm in some
Speaker 4: kind of a dream. And I turn around. I go Chris.
Speaker 4: He goes so and then he sees the script and laughs,
Speaker 4: and he goes, you know, I'm not working this morning.
Speaker 4: I want to rehearse. And I said, you gotta be kidding.
Speaker 4: So Chris and I sat down, had breakfast together and
Speaker 4: rehearsed our scenes in this deserted coffee shop and this
Speaker 4: deserted part of New York City. It was like a miracle.
Speaker 4: If it had been a Hallmark movie, it would have
Speaker 4: been I would have been wearing the red dress. It was.
Speaker 1: I wonder what he was even doing there, like in
Speaker 1: that part of Manhattan on his day off. Well, he
Speaker 1: lives on the Upper West I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was, he was going to be he was
Speaker 4: going to be going in later for work. But he
Speaker 4: had the morning free and thought he would just do
Speaker 4: a little jogging or some little exercise. But and we
Speaker 4: sat down and while we were working on the scene,
Speaker 4: we went I think I had a couple couple scenes
Speaker 4: with While we were reading through the different scenes, he
Speaker 4: started musing about theater and he said, so, do you
Speaker 4: do a lot of theater in Los Angeles? And at
Speaker 4: the time, I said, yeah, yeah, my wife and I
Speaker 4: were both involved in theater. He said, I miss it
Speaker 4: so much. He says, I love the show. I love
Speaker 4: doing the show. But when you do the show, you
Speaker 4: really can't do anything else, even like have a life,
Speaker 4: you can't. You know, it's constant. He said, I may
Speaker 4: be out in Los Angeles next year, and if you're
Speaker 4: working on a play or if something comes up, give
Speaker 4: me a call and I'll do it. And I'll do
Speaker 4: it for free. You don't have to pay me. It's
Speaker 4: just it's just I'm a theater actor first. And when
Speaker 4: you do this, you get this hunger, this loss for
Speaker 4: doing the theater. And I'd love to get back in it.
Speaker 4: And I said, absolutely, Chris, absolutely. You know we're involved
Speaker 4: with some of the theaters downtown. I said, I'm sure
Speaker 4: they would you know, kiss the hem of your garment,
Speaker 4: if you mean, hand of it. But it was like
Speaker 4: an amazing moment to start working on that show.
Speaker 1: And that's so funny because that ended up being his
Speaker 1: last season on the show.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like he was having a hankering to
Speaker 1: do some different stuff and you know you were hearing
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, And when I got back to Los Angeles and
Speaker 4: I was telling some of the people about Chris, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe coming out and we should be looking for a
Speaker 4: play that could use him in that And of course
Speaker 4: as soon as he came out to LA he got
Speaker 4: another show. Yeah, so that's what True Blood or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was on True Blood for a little while.
Speaker 4: Ye. Yeah. So as soon as he hit the ground there,
Speaker 4: you know they're going to snatch him up. I mean,
Speaker 4: there are very few a certifiable television stars and he's
Speaker 4: one of them. He's also, whether on TV or film
Speaker 4: or theater, a great actor, so so you know he translates,
Speaker 4: but you know he's gonna get snatched up. He just is.
Speaker 1: That's so fun Thanks for telling us that, because we
Speaker 1: don't get as many stories about Maloney, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people like have interactions with Marishka, but they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily like it sounded like in the twelve seasons he
Speaker 1: was on the show, he kind of did his own
Speaker 1: thing and nice to hear a little Maloney's story. But
Speaker 1: you got to do so much in this episode, Like
Speaker 1: you get an interrogation, you get a courtroom scene, you
Speaker 1: get to you get your butt kicked in a holding cell,
Speaker 1: and then you just get to draw I mean, minute
Speaker 1: per minute of what the action that you get to do.
Speaker 1: You're not on you're not in the episode for too
Speaker 1: too much, and you get to do a lot.
Speaker 4: I if you have an SVU checklist, I got to
Speaker 4: do all the stuff. I got arrested on the Upper
Speaker 4: west Side. Yes, I got the purf walk in front
Speaker 4: of my wife. Yeah, you know. And of course when
Speaker 4: you're doing it on the Upper west Side, there are
Speaker 4: people out there that are just people, and they at
Speaker 4: first they don't know. I mean, there's the cameras and
Speaker 4: there's all that that they just see me coming out
Speaker 4: right and they think, oh my god, is there a
Speaker 4: police action here. Oh no, it's ANVU action here. So
Speaker 4: I got purf walked on the Upper west Side. I
Speaker 4: got blown up in Harlem, I got beaten up by
Speaker 4: I got punched out in the jail cell I. You know,
Speaker 4: they had to do makeup on me, to have like
Speaker 4: cuts and bruises on my face. I got to go
Speaker 4: to Chelsea Peers and be in the courthouse. Everything you
Speaker 4: could do on a Law and Order show, I got
Speaker 4: to do in Bullseye.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I say there's episodes that feel like movies.
Speaker 1: There's like a few episodes of SFU that really feel
Speaker 1: like movies, and I think this is one of them.
Speaker 1: Like I were like the guy, like just the big
Speaker 1: twist at the end feels like a movie to me.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, you don't really see that coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you're back on season twenty. You come back
Speaker 2: as an attorney. How was that experience?
Speaker 4: Oh that was great as Cayman. What was my name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. You were a lawyer for, you know,
Speaker 1: a sex offender.
Speaker 4: As I remember. I remember Cayman because Cayman is a
Speaker 4: South American crocodile, right, And you know I read I
Speaker 4: read the script and I go, oh, now I get
Speaker 4: to play the smart alec defense attorney. And by this
Speaker 4: point when I come back to do Law and Order
Speaker 4: as for you. The second time, it was like Old
Speaker 4: Home Week, and and it been many years in between,
Speaker 4: but it's again, here's an example that maybe the people
Speaker 4: don't understand courtroom scenes. Right when you're a defense attorney,
Speaker 4: you are going to be in the courtroom. Like, courtroom
Speaker 4: scenes on television shows are the hardest things to shoot.
Speaker 4: Why is that.
Speaker 1: Because of all the coverage because.
Speaker 4: They're in the courtroom. Yes, no, you're right, all the
Speaker 4: coverage because you have to shoot. You have to shoot
Speaker 4: different sizes. First of all, the witness usually get that
Speaker 4: and while you're in that direction, then you turn the
Speaker 4: cameras and you get the jury, and then you have
Speaker 4: to pick out individual jury members. Then you have to
Speaker 4: turn to the defense table and you have to get
Speaker 4: that lawyer that was me and also my client. Then
Speaker 4: you have to go to the prosecutors. They all get one.
Speaker 4: Then you finish on the judge. Yeah, it takes forever,
Speaker 4: except on Law and Order SVU. On Law and Order SVU,
Speaker 4: we did a four page. Four pages is a lot
Speaker 4: for people who don't know page counts. If you do
Speaker 4: a television show, you are tuling if you do ten
Speaker 4: pages a day. If you do ten pages a day,
Speaker 4: that's like it's on a movie. You do one to
Speaker 4: two pages a day. So we did a four and
Speaker 4: a half page courtroom scene in like two and a
Speaker 4: half three hours. No, wow, it was amazing to watch.
Speaker 4: And again it's because the people work on Law and
Speaker 4: Order and Law and Order SVU they are the best.
Speaker 4: And I've worked on shows where people are the best,
Speaker 4: like I've done a few years on the Goldbergs. It's
Speaker 4: another group of people who are the best in terms
Speaker 4: of crew. They know how to shoot it, they know
Speaker 4: where to put the camera, they know where to put
Speaker 4: the lights. It's boom boom, boom, boom boom shoot and
Speaker 4: as actors you're not waiting a ton of time in
Speaker 4: between shots. So that was great. But again it was
Speaker 4: a lot of fun. I spent a lot of my
Speaker 4: time this time, of course, with Mariska and lots of
Speaker 4: time with her, and she is fantastic. And when you
Speaker 4: work with people who end up doing a part for
Speaker 4: a long time, a certain malaise sets in where they
Speaker 4: kind of go on automatic and they don't really they
Speaker 4: kind of give it what they have and it's good enough,
Speaker 4: good enough. Good enough is not part of Marishka's being
Speaker 4: it's not part of it. It's in this episode. I
Speaker 4: had I think two scenes with her, maybe three, and
Speaker 4: she's always working on the part and the scene, and
Speaker 4: she's always working with you. How does this work? Stephen?
Speaker 4: What if I come at it with this? What if
Speaker 4: I do? And with an intensity and it's as if
Speaker 4: it were the first time. And if somebody says, what
Speaker 4: does it take to be a star on television? That's
Speaker 4: what it takes. You have to be able to have
Speaker 4: every day be the first day with the excitement that
Speaker 4: she has and these and not only that, that's really hilarious.
Speaker 4: You know, we're working that time in all the familiar
Speaker 4: Law and Order buildings down in that area of New
Speaker 4: York City, the courthouse, the courthouse steps that we know
Speaker 4: from the regular law and all all the iconic sets
Speaker 4: of every Law and Order show. And I'm walking to
Speaker 4: the set with Mrshka and down the sidewalk in New
Speaker 4: York and policemen who are working directing traffic here there
Speaker 4: and everywhere they look and they go, morning, morning, how
Speaker 4: are you? How are you? And they're looking at her
Speaker 4: as one of their own, not as a movie star,
Speaker 4: not as a television star, but as one of their
Speaker 4: own and the respect she gets from everyone around her,
Speaker 4: and it's because she treats everyone so well. Again, it's
Speaker 4: part of the best best best, best best. And you know,
Speaker 4: when you work on those shows where people are the best,
Speaker 4: it's hard to be the best. When it's when the
Speaker 4: work is that hard and you're that successful, it's easy
Speaker 4: to get lazy. But she wasn't ever, and it's hard.
Speaker 1: You can't. Really.
Speaker 2: I don't think the show would work if you half
Speaker 2: asset because it's so dramatic and it's like all of
Speaker 2: these victims and all the guest stars are giving so much,
Speaker 2: and like you need someone that's going to show up
Speaker 2: for everybody.
Speaker 4: You need someone who's going to show up. And you know,
Speaker 4: and again, when I was doing the second show, you
Speaker 4: had the whole other cast, you know, not the cast
Speaker 4: that I knew from the first show. Chris was gone
Speaker 4: at that point. You have new DA's new people working
Speaker 4: the police Spark. All of them were fabulous. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's just part of the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder if mister Kaman can make a return.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we need to be back. Well, you
Speaker 1: could be another dirt Bags defense attorney at some point.
Speaker 4: Now in this I wasn't really quite I was ready
Speaker 4: to be a dirt bag, but in this I kind
Speaker 4: of side with the judge, going like these people are
Speaker 4: from Missouri.
Speaker 1: You know That's what's so like you to me are
Speaker 1: such a comedy actor. I know you've done it all,
Speaker 1: but like what I know you from is so much comedy.
Speaker 1: Like you just really make me laugh. And so even
Speaker 1: when you got like I didn't think you were funny
Speaker 1: as the character in Bullseye, like that was obviously more serious.
Speaker 1: But in this one, even as this defense attorney, when
Speaker 1: you go up to like give the marriage license and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, they're married in Missouri, I was just
Speaker 1: like laughing so hard, even though it's like wrong like
Speaker 1: this this man should not have married a thirteen year
Speaker 1: old stepdaughter, but I was like, this is too funny.
Speaker 1: You just cracked me up. So I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you that and that there's no question. But do
Speaker 1: you have like a do you have a not like
Speaker 1: a preference, but do you like lean into trying to
Speaker 1: do stuff that's not comedy because you've done more comedy
Speaker 1: or do you you've done it all, but like you know.
Speaker 1: What is it when you're drawn to a role? Is
Speaker 1: it like you love the comedy, you love the drama?
Speaker 4: What well, since you're both, since you're both comedians, both comedians,
Speaker 4: I bring up from my wall of crap one of
Speaker 4: my favorite books.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I got yes.
Speaker 4: The book is Sigmund Freud Jokes and the Relationship to
Speaker 4: the Unconscious, and it is. It is a series of
Speaker 4: lectures Sigmund Freud did in Munich in nineteen fifteen on comedy,
Speaker 4: on comedy, and he said, what I'm going to do is,
Speaker 4: and you got to read this book. You would love it.
Speaker 4: As comedians, you would love this book. He has jokes,
Speaker 4: and he said, I'm not going to analyze jokes that exist. Now.
Speaker 4: What I'm going to do is, I'm going to take
Speaker 4: jokes from a generation or two past to where the
Speaker 4: actual principles of the joke don't exist anymore, so you
Speaker 4: could see what the workings of the joke are. And
Speaker 4: so he had jokes in there about matchmakers and bill
Speaker 4: collectors and all sorts of things, the village idiot and
Speaker 4: all this stuff from the eighteen hundreds. And his conclusion
Speaker 4: is that comedy is making the meaningful meaningless or making
Speaker 4: the meaningless meaningful. And when you do the one of
Speaker 4: those two things, you are able to turn a moment
Speaker 4: into comedy. So, in terms of law and orders, Bil Cayman,
Speaker 4: we're obviously in a meaningful situation because my client, honest,
Speaker 4: what may be murder right, you know, on the way
Speaker 4: to jail is some sort of thing. I'm defending him.
Speaker 4: And so if you take that meaningful situation and slip
Speaker 4: a bit of meaningless into it on an innocent line,
Speaker 4: you're honor, he's from Missouri. That it makes the meaningful
Speaker 4: meaningless and it creates comedy. So I don't try to think, well,
Speaker 4: let me, how can I be funny? But I take
Speaker 4: a look at what is the meaningful nature of the situation,
Speaker 4: and how can and is it appropriate for me to
Speaker 4: make light of the situation by making something meaningful meaningless
Speaker 4: at this time? And and uh so that's a that's
Speaker 4: a good indication, it's.
Speaker 1: A great lesson. But I don't want to take that.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't look like how can I make this funny?
Speaker 4: I just usually try to tell the truth. And if
Speaker 4: the situation, uh is ridiculous, and I take it seriously,
Speaker 4: and I'm truthful about it, it'll come out funny. And
Speaker 4: if the situation is not serious, you know, you you
Speaker 4: get the idea. You just you just make the meaningful
Speaker 4: meaningless or meaningless meaningful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been like acting for so long and you,
Speaker 1: like we said, you have so many credits, you've done
Speaker 1: you've done it all, Like do you have any what
Speaker 1: are like, what's the Stephen Tobolowski like big advice tips
Speaker 1: on how you stay sane in this business.
Speaker 4: I don't know it's how you stay sane, but but
Speaker 4: it's like the easier tip to give someone is to
Speaker 4: say yes, to say yes, and not worry about where
Speaker 4: it's going to lead. I said yes to doing the
Speaker 4: principal on The Goldbergs. It was their second season. They
Speaker 4: weren't offering me much money. I said yes, it's okay.
Speaker 4: I was doing two other shows at the same I
Speaker 4: was doing big time in Hollywood, Florida I think at
Speaker 4: that time, which was hilarious. And I just said yes.
Speaker 4: And I ended up on the show for what eight seasons,
Speaker 4: you know, and each season, you know, I had a lot,
Speaker 4: you know, I think I ended up doing like forty
Speaker 4: episodes or something, all because I said yes. To this
Speaker 4: two line part of the principal and so just say
Speaker 4: yes beyond time. Oh, that's the biggest thing in the
Speaker 4: world of people who are late. Be on time, because
Speaker 4: I've seen people not fired for being bad actors, but
Speaker 4: I've seen him fired for being late because you are
Speaker 4: keeping fifty sixty seventy people on the hook if you
Speaker 4: don't show up on time. Yeah, so be on time,
Speaker 4: Be nice, be nice to everybody. Here's a be nice
Speaker 4: to everybody story that's very quick, but very amazing. When
Speaker 4: I was doing Groundhog Day, our scene, that first scene
Speaker 4: with me and Bill was first up, first day, and
Speaker 4: of course I was nervous as can be, and I
Speaker 4: had to everything had to be exactly the same, and
Speaker 4: it would be the same throughout the whole movie. Every
Speaker 4: time we shot that scene. I had to start on
Speaker 4: the same foot. I had to step on the same
Speaker 4: spot on the street and go, oh, fail fail with
Speaker 4: the same finger, turn my finger down, it's me ned,
Speaker 4: And I had to run up to him Ryerson, take
Speaker 4: off my hat exactly the same because it's the same day, repeated.
Speaker 4: They had an assistant director. It was his first job,
Speaker 4: a kind of lower ad, and his job was to
Speaker 4: kneel in the street, hold his finger up and when
Speaker 4: my foot touches the right brick. Because he's off camera,
Speaker 4: he would do this like there and that was my
Speaker 4: cue to turn. So I'm just walking straight kind of
Speaker 4: toward him and he's off camera and then he's like
Speaker 4: that was his job, and that's when my right foot
Speaker 4: landed on the brick. I turned, oh, fail fail each
Speaker 4: time he was there, that person Jim Kettlewyse, who ended
Speaker 4: up being my producer on Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So you know, just because the guy's pointing at the
Speaker 4: brick today doesn't mean he's going to be pointing at
Speaker 4: the brick tomorrow, you know. And it's one reason why
Speaker 4: Peter on the SVU show, you know, Bullseye, Peter Let
Speaker 4: it was so such a great, great, great, great great
Speaker 4: director of that like boom boom boom boom boom, because
Speaker 4: you take a look at his resume, he's been third
Speaker 4: a D, second AD, first AD. He had worked every
Speaker 4: angle on that set before he became a director on
Speaker 4: that show. Same thing was true in Californication. A lot
Speaker 4: of the people who began, as you know, ads on
Speaker 4: this thing worked their way up and they ended up directing.
Speaker 4: It's it is if you treat people okay and are competent,
Speaker 4: you have ability for upward movement.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm taking it all in. Yeah so much. Do
Speaker 1: you have anything we want to let you get on
Speaker 1: with your David? Do you have anything that you want
Speaker 1: our listeners to check out besides pool Man, that's what
Speaker 1: you talked about before here, I am.
Speaker 4: Will be out. I just finished. This is something I
Speaker 4: just finished, like a week ago. I did for the
Speaker 4: first time in my career, a Hallmark Chris this movie. Yes,
Speaker 4: and it's called hauling Out the Hive, hauling out the Ivy,
Speaker 4: hauling out the Holly, hauling out the Holly. And it's
Speaker 4: going to play Saturday night, Thanksgiving Weekend at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4: And the thing that you even if you don't like,
Speaker 4: I'd like Hallmark Christmas movies. My wife does it, you know.
Speaker 4: So we get in bed. She wants to watch Forensic Files.
Speaker 4: I'm going no, I want to watch the You're not
Speaker 4: going to get a nightmare from the Hallmark Christmas What
Speaker 4: I never knew about the Hallmark Christmas movie. And this
Speaker 4: is one reason you could watch and just be amazed
Speaker 4: by it, because I always thought what they did is
Speaker 4: they went to an area where you take a little
Speaker 4: bus up to a little area where there's snow, and
Speaker 4: they set up the set and you just do it. No,
Speaker 4: we shot the thing in a place called Sandy Utah,
Speaker 4: which is about thirty minutes from Salt Lake City. It
Speaker 4: was one hundred three to one hundred twelve or thirteen
Speaker 4: degrees every day. But if you're in the Hallmark Christmas movie,
Speaker 4: you have to wear winter clothing, and so it's that
Speaker 4: hot outside. Then you put on layers of clothes like
Speaker 4: the shirt you put on this, Then you put on
Speaker 4: a sweater, then you put on a vest and a coat,
Speaker 4: then a half in the ear, most of the gloves
Speaker 4: in one hundred and eight degrees, and they have white
Speaker 4: cloth on the ground and they're going to cegi in
Speaker 4: the snow later. And then they put fake snow on
Speaker 4: the trees that are just in the background of the shot.
Speaker 4: And they shoot an entire movie in two and a
Speaker 4: half weeks, an entire movie. And I think the reason
Speaker 4: they do it. And I saw it now on the
Speaker 4: Food Channel last night for a car Halloween Magical Pumpkins,
Speaker 4: the Pumpkin Carving show on the Food Channel. I see it,
Speaker 4: and I go like, wait a minute, that looks like
Speaker 4: the Hallmark movie technique because they have the judges all
Speaker 4: dressed up in the suits and everything like that, but
Speaker 4: they weren't as they weren't as meticulous about the people
Speaker 4: who are carving their pumpkins. And I'm going like, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, that guy's in a T shirt. What and
Speaker 4: all the judges are in the heavy gloves and all
Speaker 4: this stuff. And then I'm saying, oh, and there's no
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, the suspiration of breath. You don't see it.
Speaker 4: You know in the Hallmark movies, even the extras they
Speaker 4: had to wear hat and it was amazing and everybody
Speaker 4: did it with joy and everybody. But it is something
Speaker 4: to watch, and this particular movie will be quite amusing, I.
Speaker 1: Think amazing hauling out the Hallie, Stephen, this is the dream.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for talking to us.
Speaker 4: Well, well it's been a joy. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4: And uh and I thank you. Sigmund Freud, Yes, look
Speaker 4: it up, look him look him up.
Speaker 1: Yes, we really made it. I love him. I love
Speaker 1: him so much. Yeah, he was awesome. He seems like
Speaker 1: just like remembered a lot a lot. Yeah, you see
Speaker 1: him on a set and you'd be like, Tobalau skate,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you'd be like, I'm having a
Speaker 1: good day now, you know, like he's a great stabler.
Speaker 1: Story of them like rehearsing is so cute. I just
Speaker 1: love it. I just really love it. All in a
Speaker 1: deserted Manhattan diner. I love that all right, our post
Speaker 1: mortem for Bull's Eye.
Speaker 2: No one is trying to help, So don't trust men
Speaker 2: that are trying to help.
Speaker 1: They are guilty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are trying to get away with something, or
Speaker 2: they're trying to kidnap you.
Speaker 1: Like this is Yeah, that's such a good point. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the it's always like the person that's leading the anti
Speaker 1: whatever league is like into that thing, like we talked
Speaker 1: about it, but like you know Republicans that are like
Speaker 1: no the gay agenda and then they're like tapping a
Speaker 1: toe underneath the bathroom stall. Like it's always these fucking
Speaker 1: people hiding their own thing. And but also what a
Speaker 1: good lesson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone doesn't want to fuck you, they're a pedophile.
Speaker 1: So that's good. No, if somebody doesn't want to fuck
Speaker 1: Olivia Benson, they're a pedophile. Yeah, truly yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: Also I would.
Speaker 2: Say, oh, if someone says they're sister's dead, they're not.
Speaker 2: They're alive and they're hiding and they're in Delaware their
Speaker 2: sister that no one has said dead sister.
Speaker 1: They're all on the run. Person, they're on the run.
Speaker 1: But also from the beginning of the episode, like Jesus,
Speaker 1: chill out with the video games, like don't have a
Speaker 1: don't play a video game where you're raising a child
Speaker 1: while your daughter is eating pizza crusts underneath the stairs
Speaker 1: or whatever, like horrible, so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is a great Red Herring
Speaker 2: And I just thought of another one that I love. Oh,
Speaker 2: the Italian guy with the disease. Oh yes, like these
Speaker 2: specific disease. It's just like shows how amazing SVU is.
Speaker 2: But like, I love this Red Herring more than anything.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that cop gross delusion or whatever was so interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is like a very interesting psychological problem
Speaker 1: to have that you think every you think people in
Speaker 1: your life have been replaced with impostors, like wild Do
Speaker 1: you think all the people that think that Avril Levine
Speaker 1: has been replaced by an impostor? Do you think they
Speaker 1: have that that they all have head injuries. They all
Speaker 1: have head capgrass delusion.
Speaker 2: Head injuries can change your personality, Like that is true,
Speaker 2: Like you can be a different person forever.
Speaker 1: But you know that theory, right, that Avril Levine's fans
Speaker 1: think that she died in a car accident or something
Speaker 1: and has been replaced by a double Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know about it. I don't think until I went
Speaker 1: on tom To Carr's podcast about and I did Avril Levine.
Speaker 1: I did the Avril Levine episode of that of Tommy
Speaker 1: Mack and their podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good podcast if you guys want
Speaker 2: to listen to it, called by your Band.
Speaker 1: And I stood by Avril Levine, the real one and
Speaker 1: the impostor. I've been on a few times. Not to brag,
Speaker 1: but have you done I did Aqua? I think I
Speaker 1: did the Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2: I did adjust like the Simpson one with with Julia,
Speaker 2: and then I recently did because then i've because I
Speaker 2: didn't maybe I've done the Backtory, but but I didn't
Speaker 2: want to submit certain people because I think they're great
Speaker 2: and I don't need to stand by them. But the
Speaker 2: last time I went on, I got to do Miley,
Speaker 2: even though she is great.
Speaker 1: But they let me do it and maybe I'll go
Speaker 1: back again. I'm oh, yeah, because you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: people that are like not huge, like my stand by
Speaker 1: your band. Yeah, you know, it's like people.
Speaker 2: It's like you want to defend people that people are
Speaker 2: like they suck out Dave Matthews band or something like Nickelback,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go on and stand by Dave Matthew's band,
Speaker 1: but I had been done. Oh I'm sure you know me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like crash into me, baby, I did
Speaker 1: not know that I met. I'm sure it was done.
Speaker 1: I did not know you were a dm BE fanatic. Oh,
Speaker 1: not a fanatic, but I love I've listened to them
Speaker 1: when I was in you know, you just get attached
Speaker 1: to shit. You listened to it like when you were
Speaker 1: sixteen to nineteen. Like, I feel like that's a lot
Speaker 1: of what people are into musically, and so I liked it. Matthews.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they got this reputation for like
Speaker 1: being douche music. I think because some of the people
Speaker 1: that listen to it are douches. But I do like
Speaker 1: the music, you know, I haven't listened to. I haven't
Speaker 1: bought any new albums lately, but you know the classics. Anyway,
Speaker 1: how did we get here? In our post mortem? We're
Speaker 1: done and.
Speaker 2: I'm going to see Moona again, so stay tuned to
Speaker 2: a future episode to hear my review of concert number too.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait now I want to
Speaker 1: go see them. But okay, let's get into what would
Speaker 1: Sister Peg do our weekly segment where we direct you
Speaker 1: to an organization, a book, an article, something to help
Speaker 1: flesh out a little bit of what we talked about
Speaker 1: on this week's episode. I didn't really think that there
Speaker 1: was much to be helped in the guy who pretends
Speaker 1: to be like a vigilante but really is a pedophile.
Speaker 1: So I decided to go with the real true crime
Speaker 1: that we based it on, And I'd like to point
Speaker 1: you guys to a website called Healthy Gamer dot gg.
Speaker 1: I don't know why gg is the dot com of
Speaker 1: it all, but there it is, and they have an
Speaker 1: article that I just wanted to point people to that's
Speaker 1: called what are the Signs of Video Game Addiction? I
Speaker 1: think we like laugh at this at this episode a
Speaker 1: little bit like, Wow, these crazy people are like neglecting
Speaker 1: their child. But I do think people can get into
Speaker 1: so into video games that it affects their life. So
Speaker 1: the site helps identify the common signs a video game addiction,
Speaker 1: as well as the differences between a habit and a
Speaker 1: full blown addiction. You can also find resources on that
Speaker 1: website to help you with the addiction and like getting
Speaker 1: paired with one of like a coach who can assist
Speaker 1: you in getting your life back. And the link to
Speaker 1: the article is in our show notes and will as
Speaker 1: always be in our Instagram stories the day the episode
Speaker 1: comes out, and then forever in our WWSPD highlight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, And next week we're going to
Speaker 2: be doing the episode harm season nine, episode five, so
Speaker 2: get with it, watch it, and we'll see you next week.
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