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Speaker 1: Yo, Welcome to us up There podcast. I am your

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Speaker 1: active and attractive hosts for another episode of the fastest

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Speaker 1: going podcasts in the world. You know, the vibration is high.

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Speaker 1: We have great conversations in the culture with people who

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Speaker 1: are influential in their market and in their space. Today

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Speaker 1: we have Rory from the new Rory Mall podcast. What's

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Speaker 1: going on my boot?

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Speaker 2: I can't complain. I'm happy to be here. I missed

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Speaker 2: you last time we were in Atlanta. Yes, I ended

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Speaker 2: up having COVID. That's why I didn't. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I had COVID. I just felt like, shit, I'm always like,

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Speaker 2: you want to go do Loom's podcast. I'm like, I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest, but I can't even get out of bed

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Speaker 2: right now. Went right back to New York positive for COVID. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, because I showed it was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: if Rory want to come, let him know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He told me. I was like, Mom, I can't

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Speaker 2: get out this fucking bed right now. So I'm glad

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Speaker 2: we finally got to link up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, for sure. Man. We were just talking

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Speaker 1: about New York. It seems like everything stacked on top

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Speaker 1: of each other around here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and where we're at with this studio, I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's the best presentation of our city. I mean

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Speaker 2: we're right off Canal for this will come out later, yes,

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Speaker 2: but Canal Street, I don't think it is the best

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Speaker 2: representation of New York energy. It's an accurate one. It's

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Speaker 2: fucking nuts, but it's like times ten on Canal, it's

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Speaker 2: super overwhelming. You go to the outer boroughs, it's a

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Speaker 1: And then you know, last time I was here, I

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Speaker 1: got finest and I'll tell you how again. It's all

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Speaker 1: about understanding where you're going. So going to New York

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Speaker 1: my first time in years, or on my own, I said,

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Speaker 1: all right, just like somewhere else, just like get there,

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Speaker 1: give me a rental car, do the same thing. The

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Speaker 1: rental car was the biggest mistake I could have ever.

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Speaker 2: Been fine parking I have to pay for it is

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Speaker 1: It is a fucking beast. Even Uber. I've been going

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Speaker 1: Uber and it's been cheaper literally than if I would

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Speaker 1: have because I did research right this time. I said,

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Speaker 1: no car, We're gonna uber around see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I'm prepared to spend one thousand dollars on Uber green Cool.

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Speaker 1: I went to my hotel and I just for inquiring

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Speaker 1: minds want to know. I say, hey, if I wanted

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Speaker 1: to park my car here, if I had a rental,

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Speaker 1: what does that look like? You know what they told me,

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Speaker 1: But seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, I would have said, like a buck twenty.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. No, no, no, seventy five dollars with

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Speaker 1: no in and out privilege.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the bullshit with New York.

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Speaker 1: So if I got to come and chain clothes because

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Speaker 1: I'm doing another part seventy five, come back again into

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Speaker 1: five for that day. Then the rental car by itself

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Speaker 1: things like that. But it's weird.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why even like hiring the driver for the

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Speaker 2: week in New York makes more sense because they can

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Speaker 2: double park outside. It's easier to move around, right even now,

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Speaker 2: Like I live in Jersey, but my girl lives in

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Speaker 2: and I take the train like that's how I move

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine people not like my people's gonna bother you, like, yo, loan,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? I've been trying to get on

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Speaker 1: with this ship, like, yeah, York's.

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Speaker 2: A little different. I know people say hello to you,

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Speaker 2: but New Yorkers we have just a weird.

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Speaker 1: Pride, people not even saying hello. Yeah. They's a dude

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Speaker 1: was pressure washing some ship. I'm coming down the thing,

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Speaker 1: he pressure washing it, and he stopped me. He looked

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Speaker 1: And he did nothing. He gave me nothing.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's the beauty of But guess what one

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Speaker 1: Right up on it and I said hello, sir, yeah

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Speaker 1: with the power washers? Yeah yeah, yeah hello. I said,

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Speaker 2: It's almost a I want to get too deep, but

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a beautiful give and take of minding

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Speaker 2: I don't have an ego to think he has to

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Speaker 2: stop powerwashing for me to walk down the sidewalk. I'll

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Speaker 2: someone's gonna not mind my business and do It's a

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Speaker 2: give and take in New York. It's it ain' actually

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Speaker 2: wonderful that we all kind of operate that way. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll get out of each other's way, because we know

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Speaker 1: But you're missing it. I didn't want him to stop

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Speaker 1: pressure washing. I wanted him to speak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't do That's something we don't do

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Speaker 2: in New York. Everyone kind of keeps to themselves when

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Speaker 2: top of each other. So you're kind of you gotta

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Speaker 2: act like you're here, but you ain't here.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm like, what are they playing? Because you have

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Speaker 1: a weird bullshit games. I'm here, dude, somebody's right there.

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Speaker 2: But imagine growing up on top of people your whole life.

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Speaker 2: It's almost a survival tactic for your own mental health

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Speaker 2: to not have communication with people that you're like this

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Speaker 1: I think, make sure he's not a serial killer or

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Speaker 1: he's not a dangerous guy. See, I'm I'm more threat

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Speaker 1: based than than privacy base. I need to figure out, Yo,

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Speaker 1: you this niggas, who's this dude? I don't need this

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that he's some weird though.

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Speaker 2: That is in the kids and I got a key,

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Speaker 2: like a public transportation and walking around in the street.

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Speaker 1: But I thought you related it to growing up around each.

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Speaker 2: Other within the community. Of course, you have to get

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Speaker 1: They want to talk every time they want to.

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Speaker 2: You would lose your fucking mind when it comes when

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Speaker 2: it comes to transit and commuting, everybody in New York

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Speaker 1: This isn't commuting.

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Speaker 2: This is because that's commuting though, well.

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Speaker 1: He's not walking, he's station I'm walking Yeah, he's stationary

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Speaker 1: looks dead at me and I said, Yo, what's uping

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Speaker 1: my guy? He gives me nothing now back in the day,

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Speaker 1: cause you know, you gotta be tough to do shit

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Speaker 2: Kind of look. You look like the serial killer in

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Speaker 2: New York in that regard, like someone just saying what's

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Speaker 1: I don't think so people have said what's up? That

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Speaker 1: Like I tell you what else I've been doing. I've

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Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, if you look at the things

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Speaker 1: Is and so I've been peeping. And then I've also said.

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Speaker 2: That people taking ship and everyone.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I said to myself also when

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Speaker 1: Even when they hit the lights. It's like, yeah, none's

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Speaker 2: I mean, up until recent which I think is the

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Speaker 2: you're always keeping your head on a swivel. But that

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Speaker 1: And I've been wearying that going viral.

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Speaker 2: It's changed now, but I think it's changing the whole world.

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Speaker 2: New York is just part of that where there's just

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Speaker 2: been wild shit happening. But prior to that, like when

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Speaker 1: You wasn't like not from Manhattan, but if the side when.

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Speaker 2: We would go to the city, we were way more

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Speaker 2: it was actually kind of relieving even if you saw

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Speaker 2: doesn't bother They're not bothering you. Don't bother them. Even

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Speaker 2: if they're doing some wild ship that looks dangerous, They're

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Speaker 2: not gonna attack you. That's changed, but that's been a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's your city. So I think see to

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Speaker 1: to somebody's coming into New York. Everybody's just avatars. It's

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Speaker 1: not a it's not a in Manhattan. I'm in the Queens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, Yo, all of you guys are

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Speaker 2: You, which is is funny because we're the most divided

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Speaker 2: fucking city ever. Like, it's different, it's different cities. Every

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Speaker 2: divided in that regard, Like when we go out of town,

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Speaker 2: and that's why like Atlanta has been so successful in music.

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Speaker 2: Even if you guys have internal issues in Atlanta, you

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Speaker 2: still moves Atlanta. New York. We've had trouble with that

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Speaker 2: it was divided in five boroughs, and we're egotistical people

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Speaker 2: and we look at it that way. It's New York City.

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Speaker 2: But now if I'm in another city, where are you from?

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Speaker 1: A New Queens Yeah, it's brought THERONX type thing.

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Speaker 2: When you meet people from New York, rarely do they

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Speaker 2: say I'm from New York.

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Speaker 1: City's yeah type thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm from East Tarlem. Like they'll even go that far

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Speaker 1: Man. But you know, and I also seen coming up

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Speaker 1: here in the Uber someone hold again because there's no

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Speaker 2: and you shouldn't enter it with the baggage that you

431
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: had before. You should figure out the flags that were

432
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: within your last situation, whether that be romantic, friendship, business, whatever.

433
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: You should look back at everything that happened, see the flag,

434
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 2: see the moments, and just keep that close to you,

435
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: you shouldn't because that's what's so fucked up about not

436
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: wanting to feel anymore and walking into relationships that way,

437
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: is that when it's time to feel, you don't know

438
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 2: how to feel. Because I did that for a while. Yeah,

439
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: And the best thing I did actually learn in therapy

440
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: in that regard is it's okay to continue to feel

441
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Speaker 2: and not walk into situations because you could still. I mean,

442
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 2: it's within conversations with real therapists, not the ones that

443
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: not trendy therapists.

444
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: But I'm saying the therapist is not dealing with the

445
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Speaker 1: effects of what happened, so that.

446
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: Means the person you need to talk to, Like I've

447
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: trauma bonded with a bunch of people that have been

448
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: through certain situations that I've been through, but I didn't

449
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: get any tools from it. I just got somebody that

450
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: went through something that I went through, and I felt

451
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: I didn't feel alone. It felt cool to know that

452
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Speaker 2: there's other people that have been through the hurt that

453
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Speaker 2: I've been through. And this has nothing to do a

454
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Speaker 2: positive At this point, I really yeah, yeah, that I

455
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: had been through when I talked to an objective therapist

456
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Speaker 2: that honestly did not care in particular what I went through.

457
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 2: That can just give me an objective view to say, hey,

458
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Speaker 2: look back at those what were the red flags? Keep

459
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: those red flags in your mind when you go in

460
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Speaker 2: to the next situation, relationship, friendship, But remember when you

461
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: still want to continue to feel right, like, I don't

462
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Speaker 2: want to be this cold, shutdown person that I was

463
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: for a really long time, like you become just that

464
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: just fuels anger. I feel like at the end of

465
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: the day, I have a very short fuse, which is

466
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: a lot of me, my built up shit from my

467
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: childhood because I never wanted to feel because I felt

468
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: so much hurt. Now I can at least identify what

469
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: was going on at the time and realize I'm not

470
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Speaker 2: going to let that happen to me again. But I

471
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Speaker 2: want to feel. I'm not going to go into this

472
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: thinking everything's going to be negative because I do want

473
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: like love is important, Feeling love is important. Giving love

474
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: is probably more important. But I can't give love when

475
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: I have just this shut off. You know, I've been

476
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: through so much so I can't trust anybody that's fucked up,

477
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: but I can identify what could hurt me again at least.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's.

479
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Speaker 2: Not in vain.

480
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Speaker 1: I'm just not a fan of hope that made sense.

481
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I

482
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: think I just sa ain't a fan of people telling me, Yo,

483
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: be vulnerable again. And it's like, Yo, you know how

484
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: long it took me to pick myself back up from that.

485
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Speaker 1: You know what that done to the infrastructure of my life, right,

486
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: so I have to be extremely careful, mister therapist. But

487
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: you're telling me, no, you have to no, no, no,

488
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Speaker 1: you don't know what it took to pick myself back

489
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Speaker 1: up from that. And so I think, because I respect process,

490
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: it's like, almost under no circumstances do I want to

491
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: ever be put back in that situation where I now

492
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: have to pick myself back up.

493
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Speaker 2: But vulnerability is ninety nine percent of a personal thing.

494
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: We can get on podcasts and talk to people that

495
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: we trust and care for and be vulnerable with them.

496
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: We can be vulnerable with a therapist that we don't

497
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: know from a hone the war. The only common factor

498
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: there is that you're getting your feelings and truth out

499
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 2: at that time. It's for you. Sometimes it has It

500
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: does not matter who's on the other end. That's actually

501
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: why I've enjoyed podcasting. Back to the fan conversation. We

502
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: can't see the people that we're talking to right now,

503
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: but we're being vulnerable. We're getting that out. So sometimes

504
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who's on the other end. It's stuff

505
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: that we need to get out, and we can't stop

506
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: ourselves from doing that because we're scared who's on the

507
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: other side of it. Like even on this press run

508
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: where I got some shit off that I had been

509
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: holding in, I didn't kind of care who I was

510
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: talking to. It was more so I finally was able

511
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: to get it out. Not that anyone made me feel

512
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: more comfortable in a certain place. It was just something

513
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: that I needed to get out, and I felt better

514
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: after I saw comments that were hateful. I got it out, though,

515
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: so I felt better. So we can't put too much

516
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: on the person we're being vulnerable too, rather than.

517
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Speaker 1: Kid, you can't, but I will because it's too much.

518
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: It costs me too much. See, it's what I speed

519
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: to get back to the place I'm in right now.

520
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: It's too much. No one can comprehend it, right. I

521
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: had to come from something that I guarantee these guys

522
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: having came from So yeah, like, Yo, I'm telling you

523
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: to get all the way back through that costs you

524
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: spent everything you had, and I don't mean money, I

525
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: mean energy mentally spent. Right, And if they put me

526
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: back there at this age, putting me back in that hole,

527
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: in that dark place with everything I have, because it's

528
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: no longer even about me, And that's what I try

529
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: to get therapists and people that talk that to understand that, Yo,

530
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: you want me to focus on me when now I've

531
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: been put in position to where I'm responsible for other

532
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: than me. So if I do do what you asked

533
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: me to do and get as vulnerable again and become

534
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: hurt now, that decision to place myself there now will

535
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: fix all these other people that literally are living off me,

536
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: my kids, mom, all these people. Because now I can't work.

537
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: Now I'm feeling down in the dump. I can't get

538
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: myself back up. It's gonna take months. I gotta get

539
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: into these studies, these books, I gotta get back into

540
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: this sage and whatever it's gonna take. I just it's

541
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: it's a weird process.

542
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to get too too deep, but you

543
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: said become hurt again. I feel like that just means

544
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: you're hurt. You're still hurt fuck, which is fine, but

545
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: that hurt can't be cured unless you go through that process.

546
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: And sometimes therapy is not it. I'm not but therapy person.

547
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: But talking about it is at least the start because

548
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: you saying you don't want to talk about it because

549
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: you want to be hurt again to me says you're

550
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: just hurt, which is okay, And you can't support whether

551
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: it be family, employees, your own goals. When you're kind

552
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: of just wallowing and hurt.

553
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't.

554
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: But again, no, no, listen, I am very hurt human.

555
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I know I didn't in the street.

556
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: I get it quite some time of my life. I

557
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: the way like people talk about functioning alcoholics, like you

558
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: could just walk out and be drunk and noyone new.

559
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: I do that with depression and hurt all the time.

560
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: Like I have ran businesses when I was in the

561
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: lowest point of my entire life. My point here is

562
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: saying it was not to the best value and degree

563
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: of everyone around me. Until I tried to let go

564
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: of some of that hurt. I think I became a

565
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: better person for everybody.

566
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: And I can respect that. I respect that, but you

567
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: got to respect what I'm saying. My upbringing and and

568
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: and what what what the position I'm in right, the

569
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: way I feel about things, how I feel like, it's

570
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: just what I've been able to overcome. I cannot see

571
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: myself overcoming again.

572
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: You know.

573
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know if I even have in

574
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: me because my situation it's been so crazy. Is that

575
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: as I've been, as I left the street right and

576
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: built this multi million dollar company, I lost everybody because

577
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: I now don't operate on that vibration right now. That

578
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: means I lost a woman that really loved me, I

579
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: lost homies to the federal prisonage. I just lost a

580
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: home in two days ago. Literally, I'm I'm still like

581
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: bro connected to like I ain't far from the corner,

582
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, Yo, I'm extremely paranoid as

583
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: to do not fumble this fucking ball because you may

584
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: can't get back to this place. And to be honest

585
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: with you, I probably could if I really buckered, Like,

586
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: no matter what, I can probably get back to this place.

587
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: But it's like I just I know what I spent, Bro,

588
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I know what it took and I know and don't

589
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: get to my podcast and not talk about all of this, right,

590
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about everything right

591
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: and not not just bullshit and it's not beating a

592
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: dead horse. And I want to talk to you about this.

593
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: What we were just talking about is that you are

594
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: some I want your fans to know this. You really

595
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: care what they think. Of course, I try to block

596
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: my fans out.

597
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: I understand that strategy.

598
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I even cut my comments off, like

599
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: and it's like I don't want I don't want you

600
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: applauding me or I don't want you telling me I'm shit.

601
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I just want to what I want to tunnel vision

602
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: this thing out.

603
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Both are harmful. Both are very okay, let's matter of fact.

604
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes the praises.

605
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: Is that's what I'm saying, and that's what I'm saying

606
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: because bro, just think about that, like and motherfucker's I

607
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: had a point of time where I was getting and

608
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: this is what made me cut my comments off and

609
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm give get his game to the youngsters. It was

610
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: a point in time I was getting six seven hundred

611
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: of fire. This is comments and what they did to

612
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: me when I was podcasting. It's made me chase, chase

613
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: that arena that those were coming in and the rest

614
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: of the podcast will suffer because I spend the podcast

615
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: looking for those moments that I know will go on

616
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: socials and so it's dangerous, so I cut my comments off.

617
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: It makes you content, Like I guess, I put every

618
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: metaphor and comparison into music, and usually because I'm a

619
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: whole stand, I kind of base his unfortunately his life

620
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 2: off a lot of shit when I view business. I

621
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: remember when we all said, whole at this point, you

622
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: are probably the greatest rapper of all time. He gave

623
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: us Magna Carter and it's not a bad album per se,

624
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: but we was like, bro, we don't really want to

625
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: hear you. Just tell us how rich you are for

626
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: the rest of your career, right And that sparked a

627
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: whole He got content. He was he was the goat,

628
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: like he was the fucking go So listening to it

629
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: did we put a fire in his ass as a

630
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: fan base of like, yo, you need to go a

631
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: little further in your life, like we don't want to

632
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: hear your victory lap right now. And then we get

633
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: four forty four you said it on five six years later.

634
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: But I think it's just too much.

635
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Praise just leaves you exactly exactly, and I'm not gating.

636
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: No negative listen on my socials, No, I go platinum

637
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: every time, no negative comments. Four five thousand shares, twelve

638
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand likes. I mean it is, it's a surprise party.

639
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's and that told I said, damn, here

640
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: I am because in my part means so much to me.

641
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I can do my fans

642
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: like that. That's why I can tell them no, because

643
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: they know BRO really give it in that part. Man.

644
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: And sometimes like I had to tell my fans that

645
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I care so much about the part because if I

646
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: really wanted to, if I was feeding my ego, I

647
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: would just keep doing that because the boy's going that

648
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: shit is it's gone. But I know and understand. I

649
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: told Charlemagne this earlier. Ego is stolen and confidence is built,

650
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: confidence is earned. But ego is it's it's it's not real,

651
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: especially when you find yourself feeding it. It's a very

652
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: dangerous thing. And that was allowing. That's what I was doing, man,

653
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: I was saying, don't do get in the podcast now,

654
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm already thinking how I'm gonna get into the get

655
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: into that little arena right there? What am I gonna

656
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: do to get into that arena. It's like, no, bro,

657
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I need to tackle these topics because I'm still building

658
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: audience and like you said, it'll put you in that placeholder.

659
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: It's like I can only serve the people that enjoy this,

660
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: and that doesn't work.

661
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: And even ego is so self built, like it's such

662
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: a perception because I've watched even especially people on the

663
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: Internet loving to be the villain, Like the villain makes them,

664
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: that drives their ego. Yes, so they'll continue to just

665
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: throw themselves out the window with extremely wild takes like

666
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: they just want to be hated so bad because that's

667
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: what drives their lego. And then there's people that just

668
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: want so much fucking love and if you say one

669
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: critique about them, their egos, Like egos is what's the

670
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: most interesting human?

671
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: Where do you live at in that? Because like even

672
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: when we was talking, I'm like, yo, Rory Man, like

673
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, for I knew you. You

674
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: know a couple people hear me say, Yo, Rory getting

675
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: people checks at the BT, helping people get into the

676
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: b T.

677
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean behind the scenes, have helped a lot

678
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: of your favorite podcasters that we've never said it out loud.

679
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: And then I'm saying yo, with.

680
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Agencies, I've gotten them actual real deals. I've put money

681
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: in more people's pockets. But I did that out of

682
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: actual love, and I never.

683
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: But you are in sport. It's like Lebron say, yo,

684
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: don't take my stats. Just I'm out here ball in

685
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: the day. Fuck the stats. Nobody count the points. It's

686
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: just for the game, baby, Okay.

687
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: But even that, that, I guess maybe goes to my ego,

688
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: because I think ego can be healthy if it's channeled correctly.

689
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: My ego is actually boosted in that regard. Like I

690
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: laugh when the narrative on the internet that says I

691
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: hate podcasting and I never wanted to podcast. Meanwhile, I

692
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: have done more for podcasters than probably most people in

693
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: the space at all. Charlemagne has done more.

694
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd go with that. He done gave assists I've seen.

695
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: Of course, and that's why I really respect Charlemagne. I

696
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: know we all have like the fun back and forth.

697
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Shit.

698
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: I respect Charlemagne fully. I would put myself very close

699
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: to second as who has moved a lot of shit

700
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: for podcasters within the New era. You have Combat Jack,

701
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: Chris Morrow. They are legends and what they did for everybody.

702
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: But the plays I put together have you know, are

703
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: are up there and so. But that drives my ego

704
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: rather than needing someone to say that out loud or

705
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: tell that story. That's why I just laugh at the

706
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: he doesn't give a fuck about podcasting. No, I give

707
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: so much a fuck that I have put every last

708
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: one of your podcasters with uts and those calls.

709
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I've literally, I'm telling you. Before I met you, a

710
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: couple of people hit me like, yo, you interested in

711
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: BT thing? Rory is helping dudes, I can probably get

712
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: on the line. I'm like, nah, it's all good, and

713
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: they're like, no, he got this person to check to

714
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: get in there. He got that person to check to

715
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: get in And I'm like, yo, shout out to ror

716
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: removing and shaken on the back end. But here's where

717
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: I find issue. I said, damn, I just push up

718
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: on you with them like yo, they said you was

719
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: helping people and You're like yo, I don't really, I

720
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: don't really like to say nothing, And I'm like yo,

721
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: but why people take shots at you, people say certain

722
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: things about you, like this is for the sport too

723
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: bro like, and how people view you a fixed business

724
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: in the same way as stopping and had a conversation

725
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: with that fan, right, Because also what could turn that

726
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: fan off is not only you not being organic, but

727
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: the idea that people turn the way that he views you.

728
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: People can turn these fans against you.

729
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: I've watched it so so I'm telling you, like, not

730
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: only do we have to worry about our availability for

731
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: the people that listen to us and try to be organic,

732
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: we also got to pay attention to how we viewed

733
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: in the market.

734
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: But I guess, I guess I do take the ship

735
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: so seriously that I don't look at that that section

736
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: of it as sport. If I'm doing back and forth,

737
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: I think it looked nasty or not. If I replied true,

738
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: it lies. Look at all the shit I've done, look

739
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: at my accolades. Like, to me, that's like when people

740
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: do Instagram is like.

741
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: If you do it that course to it. Yeah, yeah,

742
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: but I'm saying you can't do it that fucking corny

743
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: and just say, yo, he's taking shots, nigga, look at

744
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: my accolades. It's like, no, no, no, you're actually wrong

745
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: about me not liking podcasts. Actually, I'm the guy that

746
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: puts such and such on the line with such and

747
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: such because I care that much.

748
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: Or put more money in podcasts. So I get that

749
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: we're one sign with somebody like here we go, and.

750
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: So that's that's the angle, not the angle of yo

751
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: oh he said my name, beat my chest. Dude, I'm

752
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: the dude that make the most money. No, it's yo

753
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: ho ho ho. You're trying to tell my people that

754
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't care about pardon. Hold on, I'm the guy

755
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: that uh uh uh, I'm the guy. This is what

756
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: they do to you. They can't wait to clear round

757
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: and say, hold on, I'm the guy that did this

758
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: and do this and do that because they understand the

759
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: value in the viewing public.

760
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: But also I know, because I am self aware. Unfortunately,

761
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: I think this is where most of most of my

762
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: depression comes from. Self awareness. Yes, I know people have

763
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: played with me, just just on microphones, not in the

764
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: actual real life, because every they know different. They wouldn't

765
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: do it in that regard. They know I'm not gonna reply,

766
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: and I've replied in some ways but people are allowed

767
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: to get a lot of lies off because they know

768
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: they've seen how easy it is to get lies and

769
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: narratives off. Because I'm I look at that shit so

770
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: fucking corny that I'm like, I'm not even gonna reply

771
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: to that, even if like that's not even remotely close

772
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: to truth. Why am I going to entertain some shit

773
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: that is so far from the fucking truth?

774
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: For the same reason you stop and talk to that

775
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: fan again, because we're dealing with the perception of the

776
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: people that care about me again. You're you're, you're, you're.

777
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: You're at the top of the mountain with a bull

778
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: horn and you're screaming down to not only your people. Now,

779
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: if we had it caged off, where only your people

780
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: will prive you to that get off.

781
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'll ask you, because I I guess

782
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: mainly with the with the pow world, of some degree,

783
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: I've admitted that there was personal feelings with that to

784
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: protect my own mental health, like I'm about to get

785
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: in the ring and do this shit and just have

786
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: a back and forth of fucking who could lie on

787
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: each other better? Like that?

788
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: Yeah?

789
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: No, And again I'm not I'm know for a fact,

790
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: I am not innocent in this tire shit period within media.

791
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be specifically with you, with Joe's

792
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: podcasts or anything period. Even when Charlomagne, Mee Schultz, everyone

793
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 2: we was all going back. I know for a fact,

794
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: I am not innocent. I've thrown shots, I've done things

795
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: at this point like I don't want to use the

796
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: daughter shit. But that was also a big eye opener too,

797
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: like I'm about all right today we're going to decide

798
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: to walk into the studio and start a back and

799
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: forth microphone conversation from a camera and just yell at

800
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: each other back and forth. Who can deliver lies more

801
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: entertaining because these people don't care about the truth. They

802
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: care about the entertaining. And guess what, I will fully

803
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: admit too, the liars are way better entertainers than me.

804
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't agree.

805
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: I can't keep up with how that you aren't lying

806
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: in your entertainment. I don't agree with that you're too

807
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: good at it.

808
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: Yes, and I agree with that motherfuckers are good at

809
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: the entertainment. But I believe that the truth. I believe

810
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: that the truth will outlast that. I believe the lie,

811
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: the lie cannot stand next to the truth. Now, I

812
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: believe that the noise may be louder, but I believe

813
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: if you present it because for me, for you, it's

814
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: back and forth. For me is good and evil. It's

815
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: truth and lies. You see, it ain't back and forth.

816
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: It's you're lying about me to the people that I

817
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: know are potential customers. Because here's another thing in podcasting

818
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: that I need the youngsters to understand. And I tell

819
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: my audience this. My job has always been a few things.

820
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I put my podcast out, I identify my viewers, I

821
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: take my viewers, and then identify my customer. With my customers,

822
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I serve them at a higher level, right, and that's

823
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: how I keep them customers. Every viewer is not a customer.

824
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: We know that to be the case. So what I'm

825
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: saying is, but every viewer could be a potential customer.

826
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, if someone is affecting the way that

827
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: my potential customers interact with my business, and it's lies,

828
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: I just don't see myself saying, you know what, it's

829
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: coiny for me to clear that up, because again, it's

830
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: not back and forth, it's truth and lies. Every single

831
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: time you put smut on my jacket. I got to

832
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: let my people know it's not smut on my jacket

833
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: until they start to come out and say, nah, we

834
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: know there's no smut on his jacket, and we know

835
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: that trick for you and you and my situation. It

836
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: seems like the other side has been able to kick

837
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: up a lot of dust and no one's been able

838
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: to really say, hey, don't I don't know about that,

839
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: like that, maybe don't it, maybe don't sound the don't

840
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: sound right. Even I didn't see traction, and I'm gonna

841
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: let you talk. I didn't see traction. Even when you

842
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: say the whole baby thing, when you're like, yo, the

843
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: timeline don't match up. It just died. It's like that

844
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: was literally something that it just died.

845
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, And I said, but what I was

846
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: about to say, I'm glad you brought that up. The

847
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: next thing I was gonna say was lune. I regretted.

848
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: I got my feelings, and I'm someone that will admit

849
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I get in my feelings. I know everyone wants to

850
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: be this fucking tough guy that they control it not

851
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: sometimes I get my shit. It's it's not playing victim.

852
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: I was just hurt at the fucking time about some

853
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: specific shit. I told the truth for a little bit

854
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: on a big platform, got a lot of views, didn't.

855
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Change the art, didn't change it.

856
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: So I regretted even telling truth. And that's kind of

857
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: my point on why it proved to myself in some

858
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: degree that I've been right the entire time of not

859
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: addressing shit, because look what happens when I told the truth,

860
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: let's talk about that didn't matter you you can add

861
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: up dates in a calendar. I didn't create how the

862
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 2: fucking earth moves.

863
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: That was the biggest lie on earth and then and then.

864
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: And that should make you wonder about everything else, like,

865
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: but I left it alone, and I regretted it. After

866
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: that happened, I felt good from a mental health perspective

867
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: getting that out of it, that's what. But when the

868
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: internet shit, I was like, oh, see what happens, Like

869
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: you can tell the truth and instead of listening to

870
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: the facts, it's yo, he's mad. Heard why he's still

871
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: talking about that? I said, I'm not talking about.

872
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: It, And you gotta ignore that. You gotta ignore that

873
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: because those are his stands. Oh, they have people on

874
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: each side. My half people Traplo or Ross has people

875
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: like Trablo or Ross people was upset at me when

876
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: Trap appreciate it. When he admitted on their loan, you're

877
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: right one hundred fucking times, and his fans came under

878
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: there and said, yo, man, you don't like him because

879
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: he's white. You just don't want him talking about black culture.

880
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: He legitimately said, you know what, I think, I am.

881
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: Obsessed, So what more can we do?

882
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: And I guess, I guess that's kind of my point

883
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: when I want to tell the truth, because it's like,

884
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: doesn't the truth does not matter in this This is entertainment,

885
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: what I say, entertainment, so they can be better at

886
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: lies with entertainment. So maybe I don't want to hang

887
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: in that that.

888
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: World, but you're in it and you're making money.

889
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, see that That's what we need to

890
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: address because I've seen a lot of those comments after

891
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: like the few things I have said, like, oh, you're

892
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: not built for this podcast shit. No, y'all are trying

893
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: to make podcasting one thing and now you're devaluing the

894
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: entire space. Matter of fact, the biggest podcast in the

895
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: world is not this salacious bullshit.

896
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: That we do not even remotely.

897
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: Close as far as dollars and impact is with this salacious,

898
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: fucking back and forth internet thug bullshit, y'all do so No, No,

899
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm not built for this back and forth. Who can

900
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: yell lies to their friends? That what he says, that's

901
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: what the fans are. I'm saying for the fans.

902
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: But when he said it in particular, you're you guys

903
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: are not built for this. I believe truly that he's

904
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: saying conversation like, y'all just are not built to go

905
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: back and forth point for point. I think that's what

906
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: the guy's saying. No, I don't, but I think because.

907
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: I did it right. The points were made in this

908
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: exact rumor sitting in now what other points need to be? Points?

909
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Don't the history? You can't rewrite history.

910
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: And then mall spoke spoke to me for two hours.

911
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: We had a phenomenal conversation episode and it done great.

912
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Now here's what I would say about the truth, not

913
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: or that in particular, because again I was kind of

914
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I viewed that away like how did that die like that?

915
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: Why didn't that kitcheny steam? And I said to myself,

916
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: as great ast as trail and them is because then

917
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: my guys A D. That whole squad over there, especially

918
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: A D. Right, that's who I really had the relationship with.

919
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: But shout after all of them, right because they they

920
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: hustling as good as they is. That ain't this far

921
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: as people come here for the information about this shit

922
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: like how to navigate podcast and not even just this

923
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: there's there's there's arenas to do it. And you don't

924
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: have a boxing match in a UFC octagon, right, you

925
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: address certain things in a certain maunner.

926
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: I E.

927
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: DJ Vlad. I'm sure he's trying to address tyrese, but

928
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: he has to find the arena to do it. He

929
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: just can't just I can't just pull up anywhere and

930
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: do this. I need this to be in a space

931
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: where it actually has the value I'm intended it to have.

932
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I think with Ad and t Rail now, although they

933
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: have great conversation, I think it's entertainment based. It's not

934
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: like a real talk like that type of vibration, and

935
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: I think when you live in that spot, the reaction

936
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: is is a bit different.

937
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: Speaking of the A D. N. T Row thing, to

938
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: even make this more full circle, I went there for

939
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: a reason. They are an up and coming podcas Cast

940
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 2: and I have done nothing but support up and coming podcast.

941
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: I knew when I went on this press run I

942
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 2: was gonna be asked about should I have been quiet

943
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: about I'm not dumb. I know no matter what wherever

944
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: I go, I'm gonna be asked about certain individuals.

945
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Yes.

946
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to go and give those views to an

947
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: up and coming yes pod that I really fucked with.

948
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: I could have went to.

949
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: I could have sat with fucking Charlemagne and Shultz and

950
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: gave the fucking biggest Joe bashing.

951
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: You think I don't think. I don't think I was

952
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: with shows yesterday. He got gone. He is fucking not gone.

953
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: He didn't he didn't go to Rooth's picnic either.

954
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: No show, no no. I'm saying he's oh he I

955
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: think he was on to it. They was talking yeah,

956
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: but but far.

957
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, if I'm gonna talk about that, I'm

958
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: gonna go to pods that I fucked with rather than

959
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: like to me. I hate the term cloud chasing, but

960
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: it does describe in the best way what people do

961
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: in that regard. I could have went to the biggest

962
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: platform to give my fucking response, and I was offered

963
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: that from when we split up to the album to

964
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: I can imagine I went to go fuck with Bootleg

965
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: CAV because I fucked with his podcast and I knew

966
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: we weren't gonna get into relationship. I knew A D

967
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: and t Ral were about to get into the relationship.

968
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: I would rather give that to two dudes that I

969
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: see building a platform that I fuck with and two

970
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: good people and support this genre for real, rather than

971
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: go into a way bigger publication where I know I'm

972
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: gonna get more views. I'm gonna get more uh even

973
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: looks to the album I'm trying to promover like. That

974
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: was a very conscious decision. So that's heart. If I

975
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: have to do the messy shit, I want to do

976
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: it with purpose.

977
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: But you would end up hurt with it, though, because

978
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: you said, like, damn, I got that off, and it's like.

979
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: But you don't know. You don't know about that hurt

980
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: until you get it off. I didn't know yet. I

981
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: knew it was good. I wasn't even walking into a

982
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: D shit thinking I was even going to react the

983
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: way I reacted. I'll be honest that that came from anger. Again.

984
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: I regretted it a bit.

985
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to get it off though it seemed.

986
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: Like that's why that's why it came out that way.

987
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

988
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: In other platforms that I was, you know, doing press

989
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: run shit with it didn't fester the way that it

990
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: did when I got to ad Spot, maybe because Idea

991
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: has been through something similar.

992
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: Maybe exactly, like, Yeah.

993
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: A lot of shit was just welcoming in that. But

994
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to have that conversation with them. And what

995
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: I hated about that response from the internet. Did you

996
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: listen to the full episode? Yeah, I gave nothing but

997
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: trials and tribulations of me just navigating through the podcast

998
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: world for them, like that was a great episode. Of

999
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: course it got condensed to the fifteen minutes that was

1000
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: the relation ship. But I'm proud of that episode. That

1001
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 2: was a great conversation. So much positivity was part of that.

1002
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: That just didn't get the same views.

1003
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: And I think because relationship, but I think they're entertainment.

1004
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: I think they're like casinetting them. They're more like entertainment

1005
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: versus conversation. Yeah, you know, I think it is conversation,

1006
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: but there's an element of entertainment there. There's a lot

1007
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: of laughing, there's a lot of when you come to Looan,

1008
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: everybody know like when this Charlamagne episode dropped, it's gonna

1009
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: break the internet. Shitty's never spoke about, ever spoke about, right,

1010
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: And so certain things like I got b Marshall necks

1011
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: already recorded that's coming out him and Fred Taylor about

1012
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the im afleet thing, because again, it's important for us,

1013
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: if we really care about podcasting, for those who have

1014
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: been through things to light the way. And the only

1015
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: way to light the way is to tell these young

1016
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: boys what you've been through and how I've overcame it,

1017
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: as well as what I've learned from it. So when

1018
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: I sit down with be Marshall and Fred Taylor, I

1019
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: want you to understand the importance of my platform because

1020
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: those you guys won't sit down with the same person,

1021
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: even if it's breakfast clubs. In fact, they don't care

1022
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: who it is. If you sit down with one, the

1023
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: other one won't come. Exactly, I'm the only person because

1024
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: they respect what I stand for in the market, right,

1025
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: and they both got on there and set The only

1026
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: reason I'm doing this is because it's you and because

1027
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: I know you information it ain't just salacious. You want

1028
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: me to get on there and say, fuck, dude, you

1029
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: want me to talk about the money I lost? How

1030
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: did I lose it? How was I tricked? What happened?

1031
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's the things like

1032
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I asked those guys the same questions to try to

1033
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: really get to where did y'all fall off? What the

1034
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: fuck happened with this two athlete guys had millions when

1035
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: you started, how did y'all fall? And so sometimes I

1036
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: think it's more based on arena than it is. I know,

1037
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: whether you fuck with them is cool, but sometimes man,

1038
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: I can't. I gotta be behind the arc for the

1039
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: three to count. You know what I'm saying. I don't care,

1040
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: my man, that's a three no. No, you got to

1041
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: be in position for their three to count.

1042
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean even your episode with more like what I

1043
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: appreciated the most out of that was, of course I

1044
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: know Mall's story. It's my story too. I was there

1045
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: for everything. Having someone that's respectable and objective was the

1046
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: best way to go about that, exactly because even you know,

1047
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: we we know how these publications do, like they'll they'll

1048
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: hit us up and be like, now we're on your side.

1049
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: So let's do it, like I don't want someone to

1050
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: come in here, pauls and like.

1051
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: Like the objective, Like hold on what you saying? How

1052
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: did that make?

1053
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: Like I don't want this to be some bashing sets,

1054
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: like tell me how right I am? That's what I

1055
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: fucking hat. And that's what I loved about the episode

1056
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: with you and more I watched it like, yeah, all right, bet,

1057
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: I love that that's his point of view without any

1058
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: details looking at it.

1059
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: Look look right right.

1060
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: That's so important right now.

1061
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And that's what even I tell Charlemagne,

1062
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: and that's why he was able to open up with me,

1063
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: is that even I had to tell him he's big dog,

1064
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: He's he's big man in the space, bro. And I

1065
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: had to tell him, Look, you have an obligation to

1066
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: over communicate. We all do, Bro. When once we get information,

1067
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: we can't touch everybody. The only thing they have is

1068
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: these conversations because and ask Charlemage said, how you know

1069
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: that long? Because it's all I had when I was

1070
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: on the outside. All I had was when they when

1071
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 1: they broke down that deal. What can I get from

1072
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: just that conversation, anything to light the way for me

1073
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: to go into this meeting to even know that word exists. Right,

1074
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: That's all these people have, and so our selfishness sometimes

1075
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: keeps us in a place where it's like, Yo, I

1076
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. And for y'all in particular,

1077
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I think it's more so y'all think the audience is

1078
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: tired of it, or y'all think that there's a section

1079
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: of people that's saying, yo, stop talking about it, Stop

1080
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: talking about it. What I believe that to be is

1081
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: people who are now being convinced of what they didn't

1082
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: believe at first, and they're telling you to shut up.

1083
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: It's like somebody saying, yo, man, let me talk to you.

1084
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I think I seen your girl now, and there is

1085
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: t K would would stop that? Yeah? Stop that? You know?

1086
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: And didn't he tell you a little more detailed? She

1087
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: still got that red car? Like, Yo, I don't want

1088
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: to hear about I don't want to hear anything else

1089
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: about that, because you're putting it too close to what

1090
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: could be, because I could be wrong about what I

1091
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: believe very good stretch.

1092
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and did you read the.

1093
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I've read awhile, but yeah.

1094
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: I've read it three times and I don't want to

1095
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: seem like I'm trying to be a good person. It

1096
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: made me feel weird. Okay, it's a very like extremely

1097
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 2: manipulative book.

1098
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think because manipulation.

1099
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: I think because I'm such an extreme person. And I

1100
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: don't know if that comes from parents that are addicts,

1101
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: but like everything about me is extreme sometimes if I

1102
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: go there, I said, if I, if I really take

1103
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: this book, I'm not going to be a good person.

1104
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: Like I know, I know my level of intelligence. Yes,

1105
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: I actually even know my level of being manipulative to

1106
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: some degree.

1107
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Yes.

1108
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 2: I read it three times trying to make myself feel

1109
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: better about adopting some of that. And I, for my

1110
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: own shit, I don't want to sound like I'm a

1111
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: good person. I'm not above anyone.

1112
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: I had no choice but to adapt some of it.

1113
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: I had to adopt some of it.

1114
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: You were in a much different situation where that is

1115
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: for safety rather than for business.

1116
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: But that book, like you said, if if you do,

1117
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: if you are objective and you're not trying to feed

1118
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: your ego with their book, because again a lot of

1119
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: people running these things to really arm themselves to get

1120
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: over on their people.

1121
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: I've adapted my whole life. And if I went full

1122
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 2: dapping on that, I know it would be great financially, right,

1123
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: I'd be the nastiest uman being ever. I know I

1124
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: could master that.

1125
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, but.

1126
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: It just doesn't feel good. Yeah, And I'm glad I

1127
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: read it when I was older. Since when I read

1128
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: that Apple.

1129
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that shit gets weary, bro, that shit gets crazy.

1130
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: But you know, salute the ad and t real. I think,

1131
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: like I said, they're moving out there them in no jump.

1132
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: But that was a strange situation. Actually, Adam hit me.

1133
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: He wants me to come back out there. See that's

1134
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: the thing. The whole the game respects me. Man. When

1135
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: I go and i'm critical of Adam, I'm critical of

1136
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: people because again I'm objective, but everyone knows hold on,

1137
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: listen to what he's saying though he's not. See, I'm

1138
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: not one of those guys when I say i'm critical you, well,

1139
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm just on the mic saying yo, fuck that dude. Yeah,

1140
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: it's like yo, no, no, no. I think he made a

1141
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: bad move because I see the market adapt into this,

1142
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I think. You know, it's like and

1143
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: if you take that away handle it like you took

1144
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: it away when you see me. I don't want no

1145
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: press conference with podcasters. I don't want to do no

1146
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: bunch of talking if it's anything that they took away.

1147
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: And this is a PSA to anyone. Don't tell me

1148
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: when you see me, handled it like it's a problem

1149
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: because I have an obligation to over communicate. It's my obligation.

1150
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Like I just was talking to my homie Dollar, shout

1151
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: out Dollar. I'm telling him, like when I posted Boosy

1152
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: being arrested, and I'm posted like, yo, I do this

1153
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: shit literally just to show dudes, you don't gotta go

1154
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: ball player, you don't gotta go rapper, you don't gotta

1155
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: go club promoter. You can go podcast. I got real

1156
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: street niggas hitting my thing saying Loan, I'm gonna have

1157
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: to hit you for something. I'm trying to go that route.

1158
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: And so what I mean is before I leave them

1159
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: niggas out on the island, I beef with these industry niggas. Yeah,

1160
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So sometimes I'm more concerned

1161
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: about them people because I was out there. I just

1162
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: got lucky enough to be from the streets and a

1163
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: boss in the street where I know how to maneuver.

1164
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: So I come straight out the street in the podcasting

1165
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: and boom bam bound boom boom, and when he got

1166
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: some deals and shit is moving. Most people don't have

1167
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: that know how, you know, and so I think we

1168
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: have an obligation to speak man.

1169
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: What what will be your opinion if Ladd had reached

1170
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: out to do for me? Yeah, I don't know, because

1171
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: after I watched your episode that I love with Trap.

1172
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: Traveler or Ross.

1173
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am curious what you're Vlad. I don't

1174
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: think you going on Vlad would make sense. Vlad coming

1175
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: on your show would make the most sense to have

1176
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: an actual conversation.

1177
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: And I think those guys I think are supposed to

1178
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: think he would.

1179
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: Just actual a bunch of fucking like tell me when

1180
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: you sold.

1181
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm too swift and.

1182
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't think you would do. That's why I asked.

1183
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: I think it's valuable to have someone like Vlad on

1184
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: your platform after I watched that last episode, because I

1185
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: was one of those people early that was like, we

1186
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't platform people that we think are taking advantage of shit.

1187
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: I've I've softened up on that. If we can have

1188
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: real conversations to let people know, the same way you

1189
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: got old boy to say, oh yeah, maybe I am

1190
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 2: obsessed with.

1191
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: Me right right, and it but it takes. But this

1192
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: is what I need.

1193
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: But even you can have a conversation with you.

1194
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you will, like I don't know now,

1195
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: of course, I'm see. Here's the thing about all of

1196
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: these industry guys. Now it makes sense to have a

1197
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: conversation with me. You know, God damn it, he's established

1198
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: prior to that. It's like Dunky man, like you don't

1199
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: see him, act like nobody, act like act like he

1200
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: ain't right there, just.

1201
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: So you can't avoid him. And now it's part.

1202
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: Of the Yeah, now he's part of the So yeah

1203
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: that's not but but but the thing with with these guys,

1204
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: I know they know based on my conversation, I'm equipped

1205
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: with a certain level of information.