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Let's 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: dive in. We have a lot of stuff to discuss. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Some quarterback thoughts, uh, some thoughts on Andy Reid and 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Pete Carroll might not be the village idiot, 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos might have issues as well as the 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. And then there's a lot of other 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: football stuff that I will get into on Tuesday's podcast. 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: But if you listen on Collins Feed, make sure you're 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: subscribe to three and Outfeed greatly appreciate everyone that does. 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: Also Middlecoff mail bag we throw on Tuesday and we 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: also put on Sundays at John middlecoff is the Instagram. 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: Fire into those d ms, Fire into those d m s, 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: get your questions answered on the show. Really easy to 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: do a lot of football talk, Uh yeah, a lot 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: of contemplating the league and some big picture stuff with 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: any you asked me anything, I don't care. But god, 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: what what a day. You know, in theory, not a 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: great day on paper, But I do think that we 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: learned a lot about football. Okay, let's start with the 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: Sunday night game, and you know, you obviously had two 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: first round quarterbacks going against each other. And funny I was, 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: I actually had a long phone call with an NFL 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator over the last couple of days and we 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: spent a long time talking about football. That's what football 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: guys like talking about football. And the draft came up 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: and he had an opinion that he said he's told 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: different teams he's worked for, and he talked about draft picks, 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: and whenever he talks with general managers, he always says 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: that draft picks are pretty overrated. And he's not talking 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: about first round picks, high first round picks, or even 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: good second round picks. His point was, whenever you can 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: package a third or fourth or fifth round some group 42 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: of that. For starting NFL players, it's a no brainer 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: because when you look at the percentage of third, four, fifth, 44 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: six rounders that start on a yearly basis individually for teams, 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty hit or miss. And I was like, you know, 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: and I tend to lean like, I'm pro draft picks, right. 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: I was a scout and love the draft, and I 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: love the economic value of picks. And I was like, 49 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, I do understand that when the Niners traded 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: a third round pick to get Trent Williams, when the 51 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: Eagles traded a third round pick to get Darius Slay, 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean that there are some no brainers, like for 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: a little bit extra money in your cap, who gives 54 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: a ship? Totally in agreement, and it ultimately led us 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: to talking about the third overall pick a couple of 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,559 Speaker 1: years ago from Mac Jones, and I said, under no circumstances, 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: could you take Mac Jones at number three? And he 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: immediately pushes back. He says, well, if you think Mac 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Jones is a really good player and gonna be your starter, 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: why not? And I said, well, because when you draft 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks high, it's about attributes, I can get average attribute quarterbacks. 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is a good example, Kirk Cousins is a 63 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: good example. Hell, Jimmy Garoppolo is a good example. Past 64 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: the first round, we have a long history and drafting 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: a guy high does not guarantee he's gonna be a 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: good player. You have no clue. There is no guarantee 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: on any draft pick, whether the guy's name is Trevor 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Lawrence or whether he's Mr. Irrelevant nobody knows ever or 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: else we would never have any misses in the draft. 70 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: Guys like Richard Sherman would George Kittle, and these guys 71 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: would never go Jason Kelsey go late in the draft. 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: It would never happen. All the sweet players would go high, 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: all the crappier players would go late. As we know 74 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. And ultimately, my take about the quarterback 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: position was it's about traits, and you are when you're 76 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: drafting high, you are swinging for the fences because there 77 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: is no guaranteed floor. If there was a guaranteed floor, 78 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the high floor guys would always hit and we all 79 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: know that is not the case, right and there's no 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: guarantee that the high ceiling guys are gonna hit, but 81 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: when I draft high a quarterback, I like them to 82 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: have physical attributes because if they do hit, they become 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: a star. Look several years ago, when the Buffalo Bills 84 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: traded up to get Josh Allen at number seven, they 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: took a obviously the person. One thing we've known about quarterbacks, 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the person means a lot. Your character, your focus, you 87 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: know who you are as a guy. Why Kyler Murray 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: has struggled, why Baker Mayfield is struggled. I get that. 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming the guy's a high character guy, and 90 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: then I lean on the traits if I'm gonna draft high. 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: And still, like I said, that does not guarantee me anything, 92 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: but I want to avoid the low ceiling guys when 93 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm drafting high, because if they just don't hit, and 94 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: even if they become se of ideally what you want, 95 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be as good. And I think when 96 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: you watch this game the night, the number one reason 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: I was against taking Kenny Pickett super high. He does 98 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: not have the physical attributes. And one thing we've seen 99 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: with time to a tongue of yloa, when you just 100 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: compare his physical attributes to Justin Herbert, They're not even 101 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: in the same world. And like I've said before about 102 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: justin fields, there is more to quarterback play than just 103 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: arm strength, size, speed. I get that, but ultimately you 104 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: have to have some of that. And usually if you're 105 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: gonna be a guy getting drafted relatively, you know in 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: the top picks, you're gonna have some of that going 107 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: for you as a quarterback. But when I draft low 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: ceiling quarterbacks, to his one pick, it his one, I'm 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: going to be limited. I have to have him maximize 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: every ounce of his talent just to compete to be 111 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: the eleven best quarterback. Think of the group of quarterbacks 112 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: right that are the top seven eight guys Herbert, I mean, 113 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Alan Mahomes. I think Herbert is kind of on the outside, 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: but physically he's in there. Lamar obviously, Brady Rogers, even 115 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: Kyler we he drives his nuts. His physical attributes are stupid. 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: His ceiling is really high. And then there's the group 117 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott, kirk Cousins, Derek Carr. None of those 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: guys were drafted in the first round and they have 119 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: all maximized their ceiling. Right, kirk Cousins cannot get any better. 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Than he actually is. Dak Prescott has maximized his ability, 121 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: and those guys are always competing at their best to 122 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: be top ten quarterbacks, and most people never put them there. Now, 123 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: they're good starting quarterbacks on teams that can make the playoffs. 124 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: But I never want to draft guys that look like 125 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, that looked like to a tongue to bye 126 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: loa high because their limitations will always there's always a 127 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: coin flip when we're drafting. It's so hard to play 128 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: the position just to begin with, and as you see, 129 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: most guys do not maximize their talent, and most guys 130 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: just do not. The NFL is hard, so even if 131 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: they become the most of what they can be, it 132 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: still might be slightly above average. And when I ch 133 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, I never think he's gonna be a star quarterback. 134 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: Just like I said about Mac Jones two years ago, 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I would never have taken him three hell that makes 136 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: me want to throw up in my mouth. And even 137 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: when Belichick took him at fifteen, I I mean, I 138 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: just where was he actually gonna go? Was he gonna 139 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: go in the next fifteen picks? I doubt it. But 140 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the reality is that those type guys will usually intend 141 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to never be even if they maximize their skills. Top 142 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: ten guys. Now, if you build a great team in 143 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Miami has a very talented team. The Steelers have a 144 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: very talented team, and they still struggle. Now, I know 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: two is coming off the head injury and Kenny Pick 146 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: it's a rookie. But like, you don't need to be 147 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Bill Parcels or Bill Walsh or Bill Polian to watch 148 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: these guys playing, go yeah, their arms are pretty average. 149 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: Their arms, they struggled to make basic throws. They throw 150 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: a very interceptible ball, you know, and listen, I tend 151 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: to lean strong arm quarterbacks, but when I watch that, 152 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: I go yeah. I I think both those teams drafted 153 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: their quarterbacks way too high. And speaking of the Dolphins 154 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: as you saw tonight, to uh luckily athletes, I think, 155 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: like a lot of entrepreneurs the last couple of years, 156 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: their risk tolerance is completely different than the media. I 157 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: mean the media, and listen, I even said the moment 158 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: to a stumbled on the Sunday game, he shouldn't have 159 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: played the next Thursday game. But I've never I struggle 160 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: with this right because I don't want anyone to get hurt. 161 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: But I enjoy football for the violence of the game, 162 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: and there are risks that are inherent with playing the sport. 163 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: There are eleven guys on one side of the ball 164 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that are trying to inflict you know, pain, not injure anyone, 165 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: but have a violent collision and take them to the 166 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: ground every single snap on defense. And while the game 167 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: is less brutal in the sense that you know, the 168 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: head hitting has been taken out with targeting and the 169 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: way the game is coached and obviously the way the 170 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: game is officiated. There the guys have never been faster 171 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: top to bottom. We've never had quicker defensive lineman, we've 172 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: never had faster linebackers, and obviously our corners now basically 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: every corner runs a four or four. And there is 174 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: just an inherent violence in the game when you're playing quarterback, 175 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: when you're playing wide receiver, when you're playing running back, 176 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do to ever officiate or 177 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: regulated out of the game. It's it's called tackle football. 178 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: And so when Twa got hurt, we all it was 179 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: a queasy moment. It was tough to watch, but it's 180 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: part of the sport. I mean, I grew up a 181 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: big forty Niner guy Steve Young. His career ended on 182 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: a concussion laid out by Enius Williams. It's been happening 183 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: forever and it will continue to happen. But as you saw, 184 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: most of the media and I think most people like 185 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: to of just leave, don't play anymore. Well, there's a 186 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: balance of protecting guys from themselves, which is key, right 187 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: because athletes, especially with concussions, will always want to come 188 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: back into the game. But like I said, Miami in 189 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the league kind of started manipulating it. They started making 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: up the rules like if you passing cushion protocol, which 191 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: he did a week ago, he just wasn't allowed to 192 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: play because it was really more of a cover your 193 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: ass moment, not because there was some protocol. The protocol 194 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: was set by medical doctors, the league, and the union, 195 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: and they just recreated it on the fly because of 196 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: the public images we all saw. And then when Tua 197 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: came back, everyone's watching him play tonight because Sunday night 198 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: football is the number one show in America, and you 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: would think, I would imagine most people watching him, like 200 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: two would be very hesitant to do stuff. Meanwhile, I 201 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: look up the television today to his running, he's lowering 202 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: his shoulder on contact. There was zero hesitate. One thing 203 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: you could never take away from Tuatana. Don't love his height, 204 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: don't love his athleticism, and I don't I definitely do 205 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: not love his arm, But I really admire his toughness. 206 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: And I say it all the time with quarterbacks. Any 207 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: team worth their salt, any GM and any head coach, 208 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: they yearn to have elite toughness in their quarterback because 209 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: to win big consistently in the NFL, your quarterback has 210 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: to be a tough s O. B might not have 211 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: to be the toughest guy in your team, but he 212 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: cannot be a puss and toa is tough. But I'm 213 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: watching him tonight multiple plays lower shoulder on contact, and 214 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: the risk tolerance for professional athletes, but specifically football players 215 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: is just dramatically higher than the majority of guys in society. Now. Obviously, 216 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: they have physical gifts that most of us don't have. 217 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: But part of the reason that you make it to 218 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: this level and you separate over a period of time 219 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: in high school and then definitely in college at the 220 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: highest levels, is because you're kind of crazy and that's 221 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: a huge element that comes with being a good NFL player, 222 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: and most guys, and most of the great players in 223 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is literate of them with them 224 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: has guys that you know, they don't op a rate 225 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: scared and that's just part of the deal. And I 226 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: think it's part of the reason, in a weird way 227 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: that we all love the sport of football, why the 228 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: NFL has kind of separated from the pack. I love 229 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: the NBA growing up, I mean loved it. I grew 230 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: up on Michael Jordan's Shaquille O'Neal Like I was born 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: in the mid eighties. I remember in the nineties when 232 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: I was watching the NBA and going to NBA games, 233 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: the NBA was full of dudes that were pretty fucking 234 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: crazy at any moment, like a fight could break out. 235 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: It was dudes. Even though they still they made a 236 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: lot of money at the time, not near what they 237 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: make now. It always felt like dudrawn tilt and the 238 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: NFL still has that, and I think that really resonates 239 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: with people as an entertainment product. You know, have you 240 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: ever just like googled some of the baseball fights in 241 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: the eighties, back when baseball was in the heyday. Like 242 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: there there's a reason big fights do big numbers on 243 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: pay per view. We like that. There's an element of violence, 244 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: there's an element of unknown, there's an element of craziness 245 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: that most of us quote unquote normal people in society, 246 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: you know, kind of are entertained by. And there's an 247 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: element of that that the NFL brings that you know, 248 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: you can't duplicate anywhere else. And the other thing, I 249 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: gotta give this guy some credit because when the Chiefs 250 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: traded Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins, I don't know 251 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: if I thought he would mail it in, but I 252 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: thought this was a guy who had been at the 253 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: highest level for half a decade, right, putting up ungoidy numbers, winning, 254 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: going to a f C championship games, going to multiple 255 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, becoming a Super Bowl champ in in my mind, Um, 256 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: let me see how to say this, the most talented 257 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: trio I've ever seen, one of the most dominant trios 258 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, just one of the most fun trios 259 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: in NFL history. Him Tyreek or I mean Tyreek, Mahomes 260 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: and Kelsey, And maybe I thought he was gonna mail 261 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: it in. Remember those guys that when Dan Snyder bought 262 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: the team, and for like the first ten year years 263 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: he would just sign like Albert Haynesworth Archilett. He was 264 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: just signing random guys and they would always suck. That 265 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: he would sign them for a lot of money or 266 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: trade for him, and then they would suck for his team. 267 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: I just thought Tyreek would just kind of be going 268 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: through the motions like he had already done his work. 269 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: He was getting his money, gonna live in Florida, no 270 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: state income tax, and just kind of chill. Instead, this 271 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: fucking guy dominates. Every time I look up, I go 272 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Tyreek is playing every bit as hard as he did 273 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: for the Chiefs, And uh, I guess you don't get 274 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: extra credit for playing hard. It's pro sports, it's the NFL. 275 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: But it's it's very enjoyable to watch. He is a 276 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: he's a he's a freaking awesome player. And ultimately, my 277 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: take on the Steelers, like you know where I stand 278 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: on Kenny Pick, and I'm not a huge believer at all. 279 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: They're just not very good. I mean that that is 280 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: just an average football team and honestly well below average. 281 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean they are headed for for the first time 282 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: in a long time. Obviously, Mike Tomlin has never had 283 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: a losing season, and I think it's basically set in 284 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: concrete he's gonna have a losing season this year. And 285 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: part of it is, you know, without TJ almost said 286 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: j J. Without t J Watt, they're at a huge disadvantage. 287 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: But defensively they're just not quite as good. And offensively, 288 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, Peek Ben hasn't happened for a long time, right, 289 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that guy is three, four or five years away. 290 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: But I think you're really seeing what you've seen. You 291 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: saw last year with old over the Hill Ben. But 292 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: even that over the Hill Ben could manipulate defenses. He 293 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: was so smarty. It's seen so much. Now you're seeing 294 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the guys that can't do that, and they don't know 295 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: the physical skills. You're just seeing an offense that's pretty 296 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: hard to watch. I mean, I'll be completely honest. If 297 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't making my living off talking about the NFL, 298 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: making my living off just thinking about different takes and 299 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: angles on these games, I probably would have zoned out 300 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: after the second half. I mean, I'd be watching the 301 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: Yankee game. 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But I try to get up at 339 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: like six six thirty, get a workout in, get my 340 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: day started before even the games come on at ten. 341 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: And then I just watched Football Day and do podcasts. 342 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: And last night, you know, it wasn't going out or anything. 343 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: There wasn't any good college football games on, so I 344 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: turned on The Redeem Team. It's basically this documentary on 345 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: the late two thousands UM Olympic basketball team, and a 346 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of it, you know, surrounds Kobe Bryant, and it 347 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: just makes you think of the Last Dance, and in 348 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the Last Dance, which the most incredible documentary I've ever seen, 349 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: you just realize like the combination of Michael Jordan's and 350 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson and sometimes and over over the vid. I 351 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: also watched The Doctor, the Montana documentary, and there are 352 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: just some like coaching athlete combinations that are just perfect, 353 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: like they're just made in basketball heaven or foot ball heaven. 354 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson were just made in 355 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: basketball heaven, like pat Riley and Magic Johnson, Joe Montana 356 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and Bill Walsh, Bill Parcels and lt Like if you 357 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: were a football god or a basketball god, that would 358 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: be your combination, you'd be like Bill Parcels Lt. Made 359 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: for each other, right, you know Bill Walsh who wants 360 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: an athletic, accurate quarterback, Joe Montana athletic, super accurate, cool 361 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: under pressure boom put him together. Rest is history. And 362 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: I'm watching Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes today and I'm thinking, 363 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: these two fucking guys in football heaven. You know John 364 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: Madden used to talk about he didn't used to talk about. 365 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: He said it when he was introduced as a Hall 366 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: of Famer uh in Canton years ago. I might have 367 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: been like oh one or oh two. I don't know 368 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: the exact year. I think it was maybe oh three 369 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: or o four, and he basically said that, you know, 370 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: in a weird way. He's a football junkie and he 371 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: thought of out before he even got into the Hall 372 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: of Fame. Like in John Madden's world that when the 373 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: lights go out, all the bus talk to each other. 374 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: So you could have Bill Parcels, you know, talking to 375 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: Tom Landry and Tom Landry talking to you know, Lawrence 376 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Taylor and Ladanian Tomlinson talking to Walter Payton, just talking ball, 377 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and you know even he kind of laughed, you know 378 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: it sounds cheesy, but sometimes you how cool is that? 379 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: And you watch Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, you're like, 380 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: these guys were meant to be on the sideline, being 381 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: the trenches and work together. Andy Reid is one of 382 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: the rare offensive lineman. That's what position he played in college. 383 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: He went to b y U back in their heyday. 384 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: He's not a safety, he's not a dB. He's got 385 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, He's got some skill guy. He's an 386 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He loves throwing the ball because in the 387 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: early eighties b y U was well ahead of the curve. 388 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: They had Jim McMahon, they had Steve Young, They threw 389 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: the football lot and they were very successful. They were 390 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the best programs in the country. And a 391 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: lot of times, where you either play college football or 392 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: where you coach early on in your career, that kind 393 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: of develops your philosophical belief in playing the sport. And 394 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: then when Andy got into the NFL, he went to 395 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers that immediately traded for a young 396 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: Brett Farve, and that's who he coached and it shaped 397 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: his football philosophy. And then he gets this guy who 398 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: has a far v and quality of the pizzazz and 399 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: the flair and the big arm, but also like a 400 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: Brady Manning like level understanding of football and control of 401 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: the sport from the position. And then he's also been 402 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: lucky enough to inherit it Tyree Kill and and in 403 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Mike go Down is one of the best 404 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: tight ends. I mean, in my opinion, is one of 405 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: the best tight ends I've ever seen. And then he 406 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: gets with a coach who I mean, in my mine, 407 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: he's the best offensive coach of definitely the last two decades, 408 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean of his head coaching career, and they're kicking 409 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: assid and taking names. I saw a stat today, uh 410 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: during the Sunday night game. I think Florio tweeted this 411 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: out that Patrick Mahomes has won fifty five of his 412 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: first seventy starts. All these two guys are doing or winning. 413 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: But sometimes Andy, like any good coach, like Phil needed 414 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, like Bill Parcels needed Ladinian Lawrence Taylor, needs 415 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: their player to make miraculous place pull things out of 416 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: their ask. Steve Kerr needs it a lot with Steph Curry, 417 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: and sometimes the player just needs the coach to tell 418 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: them exactly what to do from a schematical standpoint, and 419 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: it will work and it will make everyone look like 420 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: a genius. And that's what took place today against the 421 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: forty Niners. And Damiko Ryan's. A lot of people, including myself, 422 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: think Damiko Ryan's is gonna be a head coach in 423 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: the NFL, And I think he might be a head 424 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: coach going into next year, like he'll get a job 425 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: this offseason. Andy Reid today, and don't get it twisted. 426 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: You know, the media loves to tell you that other 427 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: people are calling plays. It was clear today. Now I 428 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: don't know, It's not like I asked Andy on an 429 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: individual game basis. Andy called every fucking play today. The 430 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: camera was on him. He's reading the plays. Mahomes is 431 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: calling the place like is he was calling the place 432 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: today And honestly, it looks like he's been calling the 433 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: plays all season, the games I've been watching. And he 434 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: put on a clinic today. And Patrick Mahomes, who has 435 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: made plays miraculously for the Chiefs over the years and 436 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: made him look really smart today, that was a clinic 437 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: by the head coach. And Mahomes just had to drive 438 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the bus and four thirty yards later, three touchdowns and 439 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: one victory against the team that myself included thought was 440 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: gonna be a Super Bowl contender. They undressed him on 441 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: the road that that was an old school NFL ass 442 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: kicking because they outschemed them, they outcoached them, and they 443 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: ran circles around them. So you know, we've been lucky enough, 444 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: I know, in my sports watching life to see these 445 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: great combinations. That's as good as you get right there. 446 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: And speaking of great coach and quarterback combinations, Uh, it's funny. 447 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: Like you know, I think a lot of things in 448 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: society can be argued because it's not black and white. Right. 449 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: It happened a lot during the during the rhuna, a 450 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: lot of different opinions, even though now as time has 451 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: gone on we we know exactly like what worked and 452 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: what didn't. Most didn't work. But like a lot of 453 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: things in politics and business can be argued on either side. 454 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: In sports, it's like, did this trade work two years later? 455 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: How did the guy play? How many games you win? Right? 456 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 1: Did this coaching higher work? How many games the guy win? Right? 457 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: It's it's very black and white. So it's my favorite 458 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: I say it all the time. Is my favorite part 459 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: about sports, it's just do you win or do you lose? 460 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Do you throw a touchdown or do you not? Like 461 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: it's just do you score points or do you not? 462 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: Like it's just we we have concrete data like that. 463 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: There is there's no manipulating the data, like you either 464 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: go ten and seven or you go seven and ten. 465 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: You go well and no one cares. Right, you either 466 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: win the first round of the playoffs or you go home. 467 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: It's not debatable. And I think part of the Pete 468 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: Carroll Russell Wilson discussion, and there was a huge media 469 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: narrative that Pete was this archaic idiot and that Russell 470 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: was this superstar. But they were winning, so we were 471 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: basically just arguing over something we couldn't quite prove, like 472 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: should they be listening to Russ Moore or should they 473 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: be listening to Pete more even though when they were together, 474 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: out of ten years they had eight winning seasons, or 475 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: excuse me, they had eight playoffs seasons, they had nine 476 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: winning seasons, so it was like it was working. We're 477 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: basically just arguing something that we couldn't totally prove, like 478 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: Russ should be cooking. It was like we just won 479 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: ten games. Well, you could have won twelve. It's like, well, 480 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: could you? I don't know, But it was always up 481 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: for debate, and it was one of more polarizing discussions 482 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: in all of football. And I'll be honest, I tended 483 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: to be on the side of Russell Wilson. Like you know, Russell. 484 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: At this point in time, Pete's old, He's seven years old. 485 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: He wants to run the ball. His defense is a 486 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: little outdated. Like Idleen with Russ, I think they're pretty crazy. 487 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: They were gonna lose the transaction when they traded Russ 488 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: to Denver. Well, we'll get into that in a second. Well, 489 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear Pete is a winner. He's been winning 490 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: since he went to USC when he was winning national championships. 491 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: Then he gets to Seattle, builds the best defense in 492 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: the league, and one with Russell Wilson, who at the 493 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: time was not some star quarterback, who at the time 494 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: was a game manager. So when they not only won 495 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: the division consistently but went to back to back Super Bowls, 496 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: it was when Russ was nowhere near what he became. 497 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: So when Pete Carroll played to his philosophical beliefs in 498 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: college and then the first five or six years in Seattle. 499 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: They didn't just win, they won big. Now, you could 500 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: argue that the play call, whatever I'm just talking about, 501 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: overall success is not debatable. Pete Carroll is a winner. 502 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: And then Russell gets traded. And I've said this forever 503 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: about Russell. Every offensive coordinator he's ever had in his 504 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: entire NFL career has been relieved of his duties. Every 505 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: single one has been fired. And obviously the Denver thing 506 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: is a complete disaster. It's got a chance to go 507 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: down as one of the worst trades of all time. 508 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: And here's a reality. We all thought Seattle, They're like, oh, 509 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: are they gonna draft Bryce Young? Will Levis, like, what 510 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: quarterback are they gonna take? Because they're gonna be drafting 511 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: so high? And you know what, it turns out they 512 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: are going to be drafting high, but it's gonna be 513 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos pick. They are not four and three. Now. 514 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna be a playoff team. 515 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: I would still bet against it. They actually play the 516 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Giants this week at home, sneaky, enormous game. If I 517 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: would have told you Week eight Seattle hosting the Giants, 518 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you could send Fox's number crew, that number one crew 519 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: there and it would be a bigger game than forty 520 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: Niners Rams. You would have been like, put down the drugs, Middlecoff. Well, 521 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: it's true, that is the bigger game four and three 522 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: verse six and one. I mean the Nighters and Rams 523 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: are averages. The day is long right now, and one 524 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: is three and four and the others three and three. 525 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: So that's where the winners are and the Rams game 526 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: is where the losers are right now. So Pete Carroll 527 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: and his success now it's coming to light. Like I 528 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: think we all, as I said last week, I ol 529 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: Belichick a little bit of apology. He's really good and 530 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: he can win games with Bailey's Appy, he can win 531 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: games with Mac Jones. Well, Pete Carroll is now winning 532 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: games with Geno Smith and running the ship out of 533 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: the ball. You know why Pete likes running the ball, 534 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: and you know what under Pete Carroll historically it works. 535 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: So in Denver bron you know what's gonna happen with 536 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. Their head coach is gonna get fired. 537 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: So for the fourth guy in Russell Wilson's career, an 538 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and this time, a head coach is gonna 539 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: be giving the walking papers. And because Denver lost day 540 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: to the Jets, obviously Russell didn't play. He's injured. And 541 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: you can say, well, you know they lost because he 542 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: was injured. What if Russell's just injury prone now finger 543 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: last week, He's got hamstring, now his shoulder, Wolverine blood like, 544 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: let's ride. I mean, give me a break this season 545 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: for the Denver are they gonna win six games? And 546 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: to me, the question is with Denver and I know 547 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: their GM got a lot of credit for drafting sir 548 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: Tan and not taking justin fields. Are we sure that 549 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: he's a lot to keep his job because you get 550 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: a lot of credit for drafting. But I'm a big 551 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: believer in this. A GM's job is more than just 552 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: drafting and who his quarterback is, whether he acquires that 553 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: guy be a trade, free agency or the draft, and 554 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: definitely who his head coaches makes her breaks his career. 555 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: He this guy hired Nathaniel Hackett and not only traded 556 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson, which I understand, Like I I completely 557 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: I probably would have done the same thing then signed 558 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: off on given the guy two D fifty million dollars, 559 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: which again I also kind of understand. But the results 560 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: are the results. It is a dumpster fire, a train wreck. 561 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: They are one of the worst teams in the league, 562 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: going nowhere fast. So if you tell me Hacket's done, 563 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: if the GM loses job like, that's what happens when 564 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: people buy a team for four and a half billion 565 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: dollars and you start losing every single You can't fire 566 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: the players, and you can't fire a guy who's oh, 567 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: two hundred seventy million dollars guaranteed Russell and getting fired 568 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: even though if you could you would fire him. That's 569 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: just not the way it works. I would say that 570 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: Hackett and Peyton earned major, major trouble and last but 571 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: not least one thing, you know, I, I guess I 572 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: gotta take an l on this too that I think 573 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: I missed on that. At quarterback in the NFL, I 574 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: don't care how good you are, and the Packers have 575 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: the last two years the best quarterback in the league, 576 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: the reigning m v P, a guy who played at 577 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: an extremely high level even for his own standards, who 578 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: you could make the argument historically as a borderline like 579 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: top five all time quarterback. That's how good Aaron Rodgers is. 580 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: I thought that he could make other players right, that 581 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: you could just kind of draft some guys have some 582 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: randos and you would still be not Maybe I didn't 583 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: expect to see like the next Davante Adams, but I 584 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: expected the offense is still be really good. And once 585 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: you pay a guy what they paid him. They gave 586 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: him a hundred fifty million dollars, which I don't blame him. 587 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's a no brainer. Like, Aaron, you want 588 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: to stay, here's a hundred fifty million dollars, will pay 589 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: you fifty million dollars a year. I thought that La 590 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Flour was good enough, and obviously Rogers was definitely good 591 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: enough that he could raise the floor of everyone in 592 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: the unit, and watching them play this year, their talent 593 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: isn't good enough to be raised. And I'm not making 594 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: an excuse for Aaron, uh, but I don't think you 595 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: could put like Elway in his prime, Rogers in his 596 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: prime Mahomes on this team and it would look that 597 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: much different. And I think the one thing that really 598 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: hit me today, like watching the Chiefs, is like, yeah, 599 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: they got rid of Tyreek Hill and they traded him 600 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: and they used that pick and they drafted a defensive player, 601 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: But do you know what they also did one They 602 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: still had Kelsey, but they signed Juju Smith Schuster. They 603 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: used a second round pick on a wide receiver who 604 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: you know hasn't really done that much, but they also 605 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: still had Nicole Hardeman. Like they invest resources in that position. 606 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: And I think about the Bills. They spend all this 607 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: money on Allen, they obviously trade for Dix, who's on 608 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: their team. Last year is pretty clear Gabriel Davis was ascending. 609 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: They draft uh Khalil Shakier, kid from Boise State, who 610 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: looks awesome. They keep doubling down on those positions. And 611 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: I understood the Packers trying to build up the defense 612 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: and playing in a running oriented operation and just try 613 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: to dominate on defense, and their defense hasn't been that bad. 614 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: But I do think in modern day football that you 615 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: have to put serious resources around your quarterback at the 616 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: skill positions, because I don't give a ship if you 617 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: have Joe Namath, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers in the peak 618 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: of their powers, if they don't have big time talent 619 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: around him, there's only so much they can do. There 620 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: are only so many points they can score, and I 621 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: know a lot of people, and I'm sure this guy 622 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: is getting crushed. And Packer Land la Fleur, who you know. 623 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: When la Floor went to the Titans his one year 624 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator, their offense wasn't that good. It struggled. 625 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: It actually got dramatically better with Arthur Smith. And why 626 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: I haven't put that much stock into that because I 627 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit. Watching the Packers the 628 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: last couple of years kind of resurrecting Aaron's career. Again, 629 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: things are all relative. Aaron was really good, but I'm 630 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: just saying getting him back to that m v P level. 631 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I thought he'd balanced the run and the past really well. 632 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: But then I started thinking, part of the reason they 633 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: could balance it is because they had Davante Adams, Like 634 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: they had a superstar wide receiver who was an unstoppable force, 635 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: and they have nothing resembling that now, you know, I 636 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: like Alan laz Art, I mean he's like a three 637 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: that their rookie wide receivers. I mean, the kid they 638 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: drafted in the the second round is injured, He's nowhere to 639 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: be found. Randall Cobb is just old and he's banged up. 640 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: Like they can only do so much. So when I 641 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: look at his stats and I'm watching the game, he's 642 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: averaging like less than six yards of pass, I'm going 643 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: they deserve criticism for this. This was they went in 644 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: with the mindset, if we're gonna run the ball and 645 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: play defense. Well, you can't do that when you're losing 646 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: in games. And they have been down in a couple 647 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: of these games and they can't come back because their 648 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: passing game is not explosive enough. And then when they 649 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: have leads, they can't put you away that they can't score, 650 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, forty plus points because they're not an explosive offense. 651 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: So they invested all this money into the individual, which 652 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: was the right move, but now they just they're not 653 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: equipped around him to compete. And I'm watching them today 654 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: thinking I'm not only was I wrong that they're just 655 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: not very good like I? I? Are they a lock 656 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: to get to nine wins? I guess I wouldn't say no, 657 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: because they still got Aaron Rodgers. But the eye test, 658 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: it looks really really shitty. Tuesday, I'll dive into my 659 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: guy brand Staley. They look terrible. Uh. The New York 660 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: teams just keep winning, and uh, Tom Brady they lost 661 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: twenty one to three today to the Panthers. We will 662 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: definitely dive into that. Subscribe to the podcast, see you later, 663 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: and see the volume