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Speaker 3: dot com. All right, let's get to Israel. We got

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Scale standing by, let's get to them.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a lot that's going on with Israel

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Speaker 2: this morning that we are tracking, and put D five

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. They've now violated the ceasefire again,

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Speaker 2: I should say in Lebanon. This is VEO of building

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Speaker 2: in Beroot southern suburbs that Israel bomb. They killed at

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Speaker 2: least five people injured twenty eight, according to Lebanon's Health Ministry,

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Speaker 2: as reported by drop site News. They say they have

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Speaker 2: assassinated Hezbolah's chief of staff. They are claiming that they

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Speaker 2: were able to accomplish that. I don't know if we

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Speaker 2: have confirmation from Hesbela or not, but joining us to

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Speaker 2: break this down as well as there are continued violations

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Speaker 4: Great to see Jeremy Man.

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Speaker 5: Great to be back, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. So let's start with Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about what happened here and give

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Speaker 5: Well, let's remember that there supposedly has been a ceasefire

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Speaker 5: in Lebanon for roughly the past year, and Israel has

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Speaker 5: just repeatedly violated it, continuing to carry out heavy bombings.

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Speaker 5: I mean, many Lebanese civilians have died. And what we've

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Speaker 5: despite this ceasefire to which Hesbella is a party, Israel

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Speaker 5: has continued to target commanders of Hesbelah. And I just

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Speaker 5: emphasized that because when you sign a ceasefire, you're signing

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Speaker 5: a ceasefire between two armed parties. And so in the

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Speaker 5: case of Gaza, the party that Israel signed as ceasefire

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Speaker 5: with is in fact Hamas, and yet Israel continues to

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Speaker 5: conduct these operations where they're killing commanders of the Casam brigades.

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Speaker 5: Israel's killed more than three hundred and forty Palestinians in

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Speaker 5: The majority of those are women and children, but they

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Speaker 5: are in fact continuing to target the armed combatants on

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Speaker 5: the other side of this ceasefire deal. Now, anytime Palestinians

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Speaker 5: are accused of firing at Israeli troops, the portrayal of

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Speaker 5: it is, oh, my god, Hamas is violating the ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: But this is Israeli policy.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: The late Palestinian poet Rafat e Larreir, who was assassinated

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Speaker 5: by Israel, said that when they signed these agreements, it

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Speaker 5: means you cease and we fire. So what we're seeing

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Speaker 5: implemented this peace agreement that's the greatest thing to happen

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Speaker 3: craziest developments I've ever seen. D two guys, let's put

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Speaker 3: a Jacobin article about Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have medal

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Speaker 3: int Israel's elections, which references drop site reporting. Jeremy, I

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Speaker 3: just you know, Drop Site co founder, what is your

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Speaker 5: You know, this is a story also that has not,

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Speaker 5: that other major news organizations are not focusing on this.

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Speaker 5: They're going straight for some of the you know, other

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Speaker 5: things that are newsworthy, and this is all sort of

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Speaker 5: we're showing yet again that someone who was in contact

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Speaker 5: someone who was in contact with very powerful people in

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Speaker 5: simultaneously in communication with the power brokers in Israel and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, It's so crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what could been more important than understanding

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Speaker 2: whether it's the American public or the global public, and

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Speaker 2: to get a window into these emails back and forth

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Speaker 2: in the way these deals are being done. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's hard for me to think of what topic you

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Speaker 2: could explore that would be more significant, more consequential to

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Speaker 2: your point about the freak ount of this. Bb Nanna's

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Speaker 2: sharing of a jack of an article, which is a

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Speaker 2: course is the subject in whose email inbox was the

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Speaker 2: one that was hacked, which is why Ryan and Massa

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and.

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Speaker 4: Play D three.

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Speaker 6: The publication was in a kind of publication named Jacobin

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Speaker 6: and extremely anti easily publication. I wonder how it comes

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Speaker 6: that the primaryster found the time to identify. Probably it

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Speaker 6: was held by a son who spent his time now

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Speaker 6: or not in the front but in Miami and the

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Speaker 6: whole store always nonsense, you know, it's probably Epstein. Try

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Speaker 6: to argan as a little bit is whole and is

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Speaker 6: activities and so on. I regret of ever meeting him.

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Speaker 6: I was quite friendly with him, for you've met many

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Speaker 6: times on business issues and others. This story of intervening

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Speaker 6: in Israeli election is total nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Classic to frame them as anti Semitic, of course.

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Speaker 5: Well also, you know, when you're desperate, when you've been exposed,

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Speaker 5: what you try to do then is attack the messenger,

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Speaker 5: implying that facts are not facts because of the news

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Speaker 5: outlet where they happen to be published. And I should say,

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Speaker 5: by the way, that you know Jacobin does very rigorous journalism,

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Speaker 5: and certainly the stories that we've been doing for a

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Speaker 5: drop site have been fact checked, they've been legally reviewed.

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Speaker 5: We go for comment to the relevant parties involved. Ahud

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Speaker 5: Barak has refused to offer any comment on this, So

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Speaker 5: the facts are going to speak for themselves, as in

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Speaker 5: all responsible journalism.

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Speaker 1: They good.

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Speaker 5: So you know whether Barack wants to actually take this

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Speaker 5: on or he wants to minimize his relationship with Epstein.

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Speaker 5: I think that his own emails tell a story that

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Speaker 5: is very devastating for him and speaks to something much

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Speaker 5: broader about the cozy relationship that Jeffrey Epstein had to

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Speaker 5: powerbrokers across continents.

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Speaker 3: I think what's so fascinating to me about this entire

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Speaker 3: story is how these Raelis are currently feuding amongst themselves

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Speaker 3: over whether Epstein was an Israeli asset. But the US

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Speaker 3: media is ignoring all of this work. And I think

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Speaker 3: the reason why it's important at a more meta level

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Speaker 3: is for what we began this with is that Israel

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Speaker 3: is currently violating this Lebanon ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: We also have I believe we have.

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Speaker 3: Some of the reports here about this most recent attack

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Speaker 3: four Gozzin's were killed. So, Jeremy, even this tenuous ceasefire

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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine, sorry, imagine if Hamas had killed twenty four Israelis.

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Speaker 5: What it was succeeding in doing was mass murdering large

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Speaker 5: And now they're saying that the main issue is we

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Speaker 5: need to disarm the Palestinians. Trump pulled off an enormous

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Speaker 6: To you guys.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Jeremyrol, Let's put Jeremy's reporting up on

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Speaker 2: And you know, Jeremy, you can tell me the headline

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean my colleague Jawa Ahmed and I interviewed

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Speaker 5: and I would just say that it is journalistic malpractice

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us, Jeremy

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Speaker 3: incredible reporting.

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 3: Turning down to Jonathan Pollard. So if we watched the

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Speaker 3: He was working for the US security establishment. He sold

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Speaker 3: After his release, he was actually granted special release from

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Speaker 3: He thanked Mike Huckabee for advocating for his release while

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Speaker 3: So here he is in a recent interview where he

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I said, well, I believe that the Obiden administration, as

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Speaker 4: And what happened.

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Speaker 8: At a four skyhawk was parked at Telnoth air Base

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Speaker 8: And the next day the airlifts started. So the guy

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Speaker 7: Aer So, in other words, we threatened there.

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Speaker 8: We threatened to use unconventional weapons. I'll leave it at that,

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Speaker 8: And so he said, is this what your want us

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Speaker 7: Look in wait, some people might look at this and

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Speaker 7: hear you saying these things and say he's a dangerous dude.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's he could you know, blow up the

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Speaker 8: Well, I guess people really haven't been keeping their eyes

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Speaker 1: So that's who we're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, by the way, my favorite part of

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Speaker 1: Some interesting weapons.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Jonathan con we well know that we know

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Speaker 1: Brother, Uh you know one of.

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Speaker 2: Those where I like the heart where she's like some

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Speaker 2: this is the guy that our ambassador has decided to

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Speaker 3: He condoned it. Let's let's play that from the White

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Speaker 5: The Ambassador, Mike Huckabee had a meeting with Jonathan Pollard,

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Speaker 1: Did the White House know that that meeting was going

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Speaker 7: Does the administration condona.

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Speaker 5: But the President stands by our ambassador Mike Huckabee and

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean this this really sent me

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: You have our ambassador invite he's I mean, this guy's

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Speaker 1: We used to visit him in prison.

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Speaker 3: By the way, he was, you know, all of these

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Speaker 3: the Israelis didn't give a shit about the United States.

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Speaker 3: They just sold him to the Soviets, right, They're happy

440
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Speaker 3: to do it. They don't care, they don't care about us,

441
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: but all we do is care about them. And to

442
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Speaker 3: have that guy be invited as a guest to the

443
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Speaker 3: United States Embassy, I just can't stand it. It's like,

444
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Speaker 3: I don't think any self respecting nation can stand for

445
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: people who literally seem to care more about another country

446
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: than their own, and especially in a diplomatic but so

447
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: I also don't want to say on the right it

448
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: was all this discussion doctor Carls and Nick Flenttes. These

449
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: people don't have shit to say about the US ambassador

450
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: actually inviting a literal trader to the US embassy. Nothing zip,

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Speaker 3: zero they advocate for.

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Speaker 1: That's my thing.

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Speaker 3: They these are people who actually have power. The ambassador

454
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Speaker 3: confirmed by the United States Senate. Has a single Republican

455
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Speaker 3: centator said anything about this. One should be recla, should

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Speaker 3: be impeached, removed from office at the very least by

457
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Speaker 3: President Trump. And then these people talking one about foreign interference.

458
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: These people want to bitch and moan about Katari influence

459
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Speaker 3: or whatever. You see any spies getting invited to the

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Speaker 3: US embassy in Doha last time.

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Speaker 1: I chever anywhere else around the world the carve out

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Speaker 1: for this.

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Speaker 3: It's sickening for a free for an independent nation allegedly

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Speaker 3: that we're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: I can't stand it. I just can't. It makes me sick,

466
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Speaker 1: like physically ill.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's such an important incident too, because it's

468
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: so revealing of where the of where Israeli society is

469
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: and the level of you know, total psychopathy and deranged behavior,

470
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Speaker 2: you know, collared. In that clip that we played, not

471
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Speaker 2: only does he say that we should be threatened with

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Speaker 2: nukes and they should actually use them if we don't

473
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Speaker 2: do what Israel wants us to do, but he also Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like completely insane that this is

475
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Speaker 2: uttered in any sort of a mainstream setting like that

476
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Speaker 2: you could say this on camera and then you can

477
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Speaker 2: get invited in to meet with the ambassador like this

478
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Speaker 2: is just insanely, insanely wild. And then the other part

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Speaker 2: of the history that Ryan has been pointing out is,

480
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Speaker 2: you know, when he was in prison, so the Israelis

481
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: effectively low key threatened Bill Clinton during the peace negotiations

482
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Speaker 2: that were going on. Ben As part of the Oslo

483
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Speaker 2: Accords threatened Bill Clinton with like the release of the

484
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Speaker 2: Lewinsky tapes, and as part of that pushed Clinton to

485
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Speaker 2: release Pollard Tenant. George Tenant at the time was like,

486
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Speaker 2: I'm resigning if you do that. So, you know, they

487
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Speaker 2: did not go forward with that at that time. Then

488
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Speaker 2: when he was up for parole under the Obama administration,

489
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Speaker 2: that's what he ends up being released. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the way that we I don't know, the way that

491
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Speaker 2: we allow them to push us around, the way that

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Speaker 2: we would allow someone who would say something about like

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Speaker 2: that about our country to meet with our ambassador. It's

494
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Speaker 2: pretty mind boggling. It's hard to imagine another scenario where

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Speaker 2: this would happen. Then you were saying earlier, Sagerlake, and

496
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Speaker 2: then you've got Trump calling Margery Taylor Green a trader

497
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Speaker 2: while your ambassador is meeting with an actual, literal, convicted trader.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's the part that galls me the most. And then

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Speaker 3: the silence, you know, from the political establishment endorsed meeting

501
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Speaker 3: this guy. By the way, you know, I just want

502
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Speaker 3: to say this, it wasn't a lot of talk about

503
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: you guys want to know who broker that meeting. His

504
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: name is David Milstein. You know who steps on? He is, oh,

505
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Speaker 3: Mark Levin. That's right, interesting, interesting, isn't it? This guy,

506
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: you know, his step son of Mark Levin. Most one

507
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Speaker 3: of the most pro Israel right wing commentators in the

508
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Speaker 3: United States is literally broking, brokering meters with a straight

509
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Speaker 3: up trader to America in Israel. And this guy is

510
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Speaker 3: on our soil agitating against anybody who's against Israel, says

511
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Speaker 3: their anti American. Who's the real anti American? Mark, Who's

512
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: the real anti American? Maybe talk about your own steps on.

513
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one, you know, on mister

514
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: Pollard again, just to show everybody who he is and

515
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Speaker 3: how loyal he is to Israel. E three, let's put

516
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Speaker 3: this up here on the screen. He says anti Israel

517
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: insiders in the US may have leaked his huckebe meeting

518
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Speaker 3: to try to get him fired. The funny thing is,

519
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 3: in the same interview, he goes after Jared Kushner and

520
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: Steve witcosh Wickkoff and says that they're pushing a Saudi

521
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: and a Katari agenda. He even said that Donald Trump

522
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: had sold a Erica out for Saudi gold. So even

523
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: even he Trump is not pro Israel enough for Jonathan Pollard. Okay,

524
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: and go to the next part again. I love in

525
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: a way I like Jonathan. He says the quiet part

526
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: out loud, you know, he just says this stuff straight up. Oh,

527
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: they're working for Saudi, They're working for guitar. Trump is

528
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: actually not pro Israel enough. He should have let us

529
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: wipe Gaze off the face of the earth. He said

530
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: he wants to colonize Gaza. He's actually considering a run

531
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: for the Kanesset. He's a hero, you know, in that country,

532
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: and that's what they think of us. Okay, So they

533
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: they are willing to elevate this guy who's a trader

534
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: to America. They call themselves allies, and they take a

535
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: literal trader and they elevate him, and then they you know,

536
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: and then they let him spout off. It's just it's incredible.

537
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: And then we're the ones to sit here and we

538
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: invite him into our embassy, into our embassy to when

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00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: inviting with the US ambassador for what reason.

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Speaker 1: Also, here's the thing nobody's denying the White.

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Speaker 3: House does at NYA, Mike Huckabee confirmed, meaning they have

542
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: no shame, zero, They're just they're like, yeah, we met

543
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: with him, what's the problem, what's the.

544
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Speaker 2: Problem And what message is that sent to net Nyahoo

545
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: about what sort of like psycho behavior and ideology is

546
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: that will we'll stand by that will allow because I

547
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: mean this is also this is a window into the

548
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: political forces that net Yahoo is responsible to, you know,

549
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: within his own coalition. You know, this is a guy

550
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: who's like, he's like a a Pollard would be aligned

551
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: with like the Smotridges and the ben Gaviers of the world,

552
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: and is you know, probably perhaps even more extreme than

553
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: they are, although that's hard to imagine, but I haven't

554
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: heard either of them outwardly in public saying that the

555
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: US should literally be nuked if we do something that

556
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: they don't like. These are the political forces that are

557
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: ascendant in Israel and are incredibly important in terms of

558
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: the politics that come out here. So you had Pollard

559
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: in that original clip saying, yeah, and the entire Middle

560
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: East blew up. It's like, yeah, you guys blew up

561
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: the entire Middle East like you all did that, you know,

562
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: as part of the Great or Israel project. How many

563
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: countries are you have you bombed. How many countries are

564
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: you bombing right now? How many ceasefires are you violating

565
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: right now? These are the operative politics and where the

566
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: pressure points are in Israeli society. I think that's important

567
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: to understand as well.

568
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well said. And I don't know, I mean,

569
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: there's just so much. I'll just leave it at this.

570
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: This is what we're dealing with. I'll give credit to

571
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: a few guys like Steve Bannon said he should be recalled.

572
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: There's been a few others, but by and large, the

573
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: entire political right is silent on this.

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00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zee, and that Milstein character has a lot for

575
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: a guy who's just like an aid to an ambassador,

576
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: has so much power within this administration basically runs the

577
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Israel Polityeah.

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00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: That's right.

579
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: And if anybody wants to see our interview with the

580
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: fired State Department employee he talks about Stavid Milstein's power,

581
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: you can. It's on our channel. We were actually the

582
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: first people to interview him. He also was on the

583
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson Show. You can listen to that as well.

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Speaker 1: You got to you got to you got learn.

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00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: Who's running this country. You got to learn who's run

586
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: in this country. Okay, let's go head and take a

587
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: listen to Steve Bannon. Then last word from him on

588
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: my Kuckabee.

589
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: And Huckabee the clown ambassador, who's an embarrassment totally Bert

590
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: what he's saying with this insanity. He ought to be

591
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: recalled immediately and removed.

592
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 8: Immediately.

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00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 3: There you go, you should be recalled. It's insanity. At

594
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: least somebody said it. But I'm probably thinking that's the

595
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Speaker 3: last one.

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00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

597
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Huckabee is such a religious extremist too. I

598
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: mean genuinely, he's just like an absolute ideological zealot. All right,

599
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: let's get to this fun one. This is a fun one,

600
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: and let me give some credit to Elon. This was Meanwhile,

601
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: all of our dms are fucked, But we did get

602
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: one good new feature out of x slash Twitter, which

603
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: is they created the ability to see where all of

604
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: these accounts are actually based. And lo and behold a

605
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: bunch of these large maga accounts that really kind of

606
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: came out of no where after Elon.

607
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: Took over Twitter.

608
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: They are, you know, in They're in Bangladesh, they're in Nigeria,

609
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: they're in India, et cetera.

610
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: Daily Beast did a ride up.

611
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: I saw NBC News had a ride up this morning

612
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: as well, and we grabbed go ahead and put this

613
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: slide shoe up on the screen, a slideshow of a

614
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: bunch of the different accounts here that have foreign origin.

615
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: So you can see here Maga Nation is one of

616
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: the ones that is based overseas. You've got this Avanka

617
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Trump News account as well that is apparently based overseas.

618
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and see the next one as well,

619
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Speaker 2: Ultra Maga. This sone's in Nigeria since November twenty twenty five.

620
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Very recent. Let's put the next one up on the screen.

621
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Defiant els this one. I'm very familiar. I see this

622
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: one all the time. Based in Japan, Asuka Graper in

623
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Dark Maga based in Thailand, apparently joined in

624
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: June from the UK. Got another one here registered nurse

625
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: six years with an NGO in Africa. They that this

626
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: person just changed her bio to claim she's an American

627
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: nurse in Africa after it was exposed that her account

628
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: is based in Nigeria. We got any more of these guys?

629
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: I think that might be the last one. Oh noe,

630
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: we got another one, Emma Brunette. Under Trump, we saw

631
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: historic growth and prosperity. I'm ready for repeat in twenty

632
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: twenty four, based in West Asia. So pretty extraordinary. I mean,

633
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: I think basically what happened here is Elon made it

634
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: possible to you know, to create accounts on Twitter and

635
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: to make money off of them. And so you had

636
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of people from the developing world, where you know,

637
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of money goes a long way, or like, hey,

638
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: I can get in on this game, you know, let

639
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: me go in and jump into American politics and say

640
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: all these very sort of like tribal, reactionary and inflammatory things,

641
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: get a ton of clout and a ton of attention,

642
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: and it was a successful model. A bunch of these

643
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: accounts grew up and became quite significant, and Elon pumped

644
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: them into all of our feeds. And on the one hand, Sager,

645
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: you know, on the serious side of this, because this

646
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: is all, you know, pretty amusing to watch unfold, On

647
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: the serious side of this, it does big questions about

648
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: the way we're perceiving our own politics when you have

649
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: these large accounts that are just basically foreign bots. On

650
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the other hand, you know, if the sort of like

651
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: energy and division wasn't there to begin with, these accounts

652
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: would not have been nearly as successful and growing in

653
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: the way that they did. Now, of course there's a

654
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Speaker 2: lot of algorithmic feeding in all of that as well,

655
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: but they seized on this very divisive moment in American

656
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Speaker 2: politics and just blew it up.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

658
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean, though, I think what's interesting about this is

659
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: at the very beginning this I called it. I said

660
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: this monetization is bad, Like in general, paying for verification,

661
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: paying for boosting in the algorithm invites every grifter in

662
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: the world to try and to elevate, like literally every

663
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 3: grifter in the entire world to try to elevate or

664
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: create some of device of politics. I'm not saying the

665
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: original system was fair. I'm just saying this system is

666
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: much worse and it's terrible. What it has done has

667
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: basically created all of these like fake actual fake news

668
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: accounts which just tweet complete distorted bullshit, and you've created

669
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: this entire ecosystem so called influencers or whatever. They're all

670
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: doing this for cash. And I mean, I've been open

671
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: about this. I can actually even check right now to

672
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: see how much money that I've earned from Twitter over

673
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: the last.

674
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Speaker 1: Like two years.

675
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: I think in all total it's like twelve or thirteen

676
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. I'm not going to say that it's not

677
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: a lot of money. However, as you and I know

678
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: Crystal in terms of YouTube, in terms of it's like

679
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: literally any other social media platform, I would be roughly

680
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: like ten to twenty times better off doing something on

681
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: those platforms than on Twitter. That's part of the reason

682
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: why it makes more sense that all of these accounts

683
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: are based in the third world, because that's actually a

684
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: lot of money over there. Over here, we couldn't even

685
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: turn the lights on or whatever in our studio in

686
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: terms of for like a month if we wanted to,

687
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: so just to be transparent again in terms of the

688
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: amount of money, and I have a fine account, you know,

689
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: a couple like half a million followers or something like that,

690
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: they don't even have that, but they're like out here

691
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: like going for pennies. The point though, is that monetization,

692
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: and specifically monetization for attention on Twitter specifically, was entirely

693
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: engineered around whipping up like certain types of politics and

694
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: going after like very specific niche groups, and it does

695
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: actually make you question how much of what you see

696
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: is real. I mean, under the previous regime, there was

697
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: all this concern about bots and about foreign influence. I mean, look,

698
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: as you said, credit credit where it's due. You know,

699
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: you did reveal that a lot of this stuff, a

700
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: lot of these people are actually straight up foreigners and

701
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: they have it actually makes sense because a lot of

702
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: times they're misspelling names and all this other stuff. But

703
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: it also, I mean, I don't think it's a good

704
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: look that so many people were duped and were you know,

705
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: either duped or involved or elevated a lot of these

706
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: types of accounts which very clearly have always been in

707
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: it for the money.

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it does.

709
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Speaker 2: I think actually the people that it's screwed the most

710
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: is Republicans because it created a sense that these politics

711
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: were way more sort of like widespread and popular than

712
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: they actually were. I mean, we've talked before about how

713
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: after Elon took over, like the number of just out

714
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: the amount of outright like nazi or white nationalists posting

715
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: that you could just see on the regular and that

716
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: would get massive engagement, absolutely exploded, And I think it's

717
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: clear a significant chunk of that was foreigners who are

718
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: just looking to jump in the fray and say the

719
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: most outrageous thing and reactionary things they possibly could to

720
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: engagement farm. And then that creates a sense, a misimpression

721
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: of like how widespread these politics are and how much

722
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: purchase they're getting. Now, in a certain sense, I think

723
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: there's like a it creates almost like a you know,

724
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: creates its own destiny because then people are like, oh,

725
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: if that's the way people think, there's like a crowd

726
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: effect or like a sheep effect, you know, where if

727
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: you feel like this is an ascendate view, more people

728
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: are willing to attach themselves to it. So I think

729
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: it does create somewhat of a momentum in that direction.

730
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Speaker 2: But I think it also confused a lot of Republicans

731
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: who are super online into thinking that this was a

732
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: much more popular direction than it really was. And so

733
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: that's how you end up with like, you know, the dhs,

734
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: just like four Chan and Nazi posting and thinking that

735
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: this was a win and that this was going to

736
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: be super based and get widespread acceptance.

737
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: You know.

738
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I think it's it's helped to create this right wing

739
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: bubble where they believed much more that what they were doing,

740
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: that everything that they were doing, and the like you know,

741
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: the crazy videos they're putting out and all this like

742
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: sadistic rituals that they're doing, that this would find much

743
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: more mainstream acceptance that it actually has.

744
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Many as possible.

745
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: I think it's also litle bit convenient in particular for

746
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: a lot of the ax And I'm not going to

747
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: say or deny that explicit Nazi and anti Semitism stuff

748
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: is out there, but I mean, look, we can't deny

749
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election. I wouldn't say that that

750
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: was foreign influence, right, like people did ultimately vote for Trump.

751
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: So I think it's actually more of a creation for

752
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: a specific style of politics instead of like say, the

753
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: view itself. So what you were saying there about like

754
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: hype videos with THEO Vaughn right from the DHS that

755
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: our posted, that is something that I would say that

756
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: they're duped into thinking that's more popular necessarily than it is.

757
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 3: I also think, you know, really what it comes down

758
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: to is that these people are just and when I

759
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: say too online, I actually really do mean in the

760
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: Republican case too on Twitter, because if you spend time

761
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: online on the general Internet, you can find a lot

762
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: of anti Trump stuff or say that they're unpopular. The

763
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: amount of time that they're specifically engaged in Twitter niche

764
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: discussion politics and specifically tailoring NA messaging to that is

765
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: highly damaging. Ironically, this is the same problem that the

766
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: left had, let's say, in twenty seventeen and two thousands,

767
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: or even before that. Honestly, you could have very much

768
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: convinced yourself that defund the police and I don't know,

769
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: trans Mania or any of this stuff was way more

770
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: popular than it actually was if you specifically spent your

771
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: time on Tumblr and on Twitter. And of course I

772
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: got a reality check I think in the twenty sixteen,

773
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and twenty four election, and I think that

774
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: the Republicans will have not no Republicans. The Republican activist

775
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: class in particular, which is very very very very much

776
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: lives on Twitter and makes that into a very big

777
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: part of their own social circle, of their reality and

778
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: measures their worth against.

779
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: That's the problem.

780
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: It's a selection biased specifically, and the platform itself incentivizes outrageousness,

781
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: and in some ways many all of them do, but

782
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: in particular this one just from the way that it's

783
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: all set up and engineering yourself, your personality and all

784
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: that for online and you know, retweets. It should at

785
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: the very least have a check, I think internally to

786
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: say how much of this shit is real? Because what

787
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: you can see here is a lot of it's fake.

788
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: A lot of yeah, it's fake.

789
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Speaker 2: Just when you're seeing these people who around here posting

790
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: about Western civilization and the decline of the white race

791
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: and whatever, just just check through, you know, click through,

792
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: find where they're posting from, and be very skeptical of

793
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: the set because a lot of these you know types

794
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: of accounts, it turns out is some dude in Nigeria

795
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: who's just you know, trying it. He's just he's on

796
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: his grind, you know, he's got his grind set.

797
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: He's trying to make it. Well that's the thing. I mean,

798
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: you know he's decided to do.

799
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Speaker 1: I'm very open about it.

800
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Speaker 3: I think it's like four hundred bucks a month or something.

801
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it just goes to the company. But

802
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: I mean that's not enough to even find like, you know,

803
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of production. But so people who accused,

804
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you only post about weed or property

805
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: tax and get.

806
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm doing it for the love of the game.

807
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: All right, I'm doing this purely for the love of

808
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: the game, so as you can all see, if I

809
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: really wanted to just post to make money, it's it's

810
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: much easier to uh, yeah, to be like the Indian

811
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: white nationalist or something like that. That's a lot easier

812
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: actually to gain some traction. So but no, I'm doing

813
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: this purely because.

814
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: I like driving market for that.

815
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently there is a large market for it, which

816
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 3: is kind of hilarious and ironic. And if anybody sees

817
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: any other good examples, let us know, tweet it out

818
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: and we'll see.

819
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I will say there are a lot

820
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 2: of fake screenshots out there floating around to so yeah.

821
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Be careful.

822
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot that. I created my account in November

823
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: twenty eleven. Biggest mistake I ever made.

824
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Just looking back, I can believe I was on turned

825
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: out to be a major pivot point in your.

826
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Life as a sophomore in college. All right, Okay, all right,

827
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: I think that's it for us, Crystal. You're still at

828
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: home tomorrow, but we'll see tomorrow, and yeah, we'll see

829
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: you then.