1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. I just 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: think that we were all young, and there's I don't 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: think any of us would act like that now. I 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: think all of us would look at the other and say, hey, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: are you okay? Right? 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you don't know to check in when 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: you're young. It's just about you and your reaction, your experience, right. 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: That is the moment that prompted everyone to be like, 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: you know, meeting in the lady's room. No, it was 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: like meeting in the dressing rooms. And everyone was like, 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: this is it. You know, we're going to call Aaron 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: and go into Paul Wagner's office and call him on speaker. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: And that is when they were like, we need It 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: was like consensus everyone had. It was all in or nothing. 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: And I said I'm not going in the office. But 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: I agreed that it wasn't okay, So I did Yeah, 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: whether I was physically there or not, I I did 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: give in and say, yeah, I'm on board, but I'm 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: not going into the office. I don't know in my 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: way again me not standing up for what I believe in, 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: or I didn't honestly know what was going on at 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: that moment. 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: But still like, yeah, no. 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Time, I was taking your back by saying I'm not 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: going in. I won't be in the office present, I 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: won't be on the call with my dad. But you know, 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: they were really coming at me like what are you 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: in and you have to say yes or no. We 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: need everybody, you know, it's like a tally, like you know, 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: it's like a trial. 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna says, but I know exactly who is 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: leading that charge. 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: It was a mail, wasn't that was coming at me. 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: Mostly it wasn't a female. But Brian and I both 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: didn't go. 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: No. Brian said he went, but that he specifically said 37 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: to them, I just want to be on the right 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: side of history, like I don't agree with this decision. 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: He did say that, but I don't remember him. I 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: thought we both stayed in our dressing rooms and we said, 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: you know, he was very he I was quiet. He 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: did stand up to them, which was hard for him. 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Hard. 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: He was young and he wanted to fit in with 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: the with the guys and the elders, so that was 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: a huge thing for him to do. But I remember 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: him standing up and saying no, like he doesn't believe 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: in it. 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: I think things would be very different now. And we 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: all hang out now at like conventions and we get 51 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: along and well, now a cast can't just go in 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, we want someone gone, and there's 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: a thing called hr no. Yeah, yeah, it's much harder. 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: And also, again we were so young. I was so young. 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: I didn't know to let anybody know what was happening 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: to me in my personal life, and I felt I 57 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: was super embarrassed by it, and I felt very like 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: cut off from everyone and isolated. So I take full 59 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: responsibility for my part in it, one hundred percent. So 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: I get it. I'm going to jump to something else 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: real quick because I like jumping and then circling back. 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it gives your brain time 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: to like process. I was singing about this the other day, 64 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: and it's funny because when I had Jason on, I 65 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: meant to ask him, and then I didn't. I think 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: I got scared. But I can ask you. I feel 67 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: there's a whole thing now about pay discrepancy between men 68 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: and women, and even if the female has a lot 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: more credits, she's often paid less. She often gets billing 70 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: underneath the man. And so I was really thinking about nine, 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, this again, where were my credits 72 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: so interesting opposed to Jason? 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: Why? 74 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Right? Because I did Little House, I did Our House. 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: I was girls have Fun. Heather's like, I had a 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: very successful career. I don't remember what Jason did prior. 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: I think he did a Canadian show. 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Correct, and then Sister Kate, which is what I loved 79 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: him on NBC, a sitcom. I think it was only 80 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: one season, right, with Stephanie Beacham, who ended up playing 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: Luke's mom. But yeah, that's what I saw him on. 82 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, dad, he's so hot. He's on 83 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: Peen magazines. 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: That was it, right? 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: Wow? 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: But he got first billing and I got paid more money. Correct, 87 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: It's like wow, how But it was the era, which 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: I think it was. That's why it's also so easy 89 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: to blame a blame a woman, and back then that's 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: so interesting, like oh, she's difficult, she's this, she's that, 91 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: like you know, your dad's partner. Duke and I went 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: round and round around like we. I did not like him, 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: he did not like me. I thought he was a bully. 94 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: I felt like he was I felt like he had 95 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: no respect for women at all, and my personal experience 96 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: with him, I felt like he constantly tried to intimidate 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: me and you know, say things like your job is 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: to say your lines and hit the mark. I don't 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: want your opinion. 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: See, I don't know this part because growing up he 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: was Uncle Duke. You know, I know him since birth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: uncle Duke oh Man. But yeah, Jason was pretty much discovered. 103 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: You had a huge, ginormous resume that everyone reckoned. That is, 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: I never. 105 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: Thought that, right, Yeah, I don't think I didn't give 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: a thought at the time. In the nineties, they would 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 3: never write to two hander. They're always going to put 108 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: the man first, right, as opposed to like, how about 109 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: side by side like they do now. 110 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: Like you know, you see a big movie with two 111 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: huge stars female male headlining, and they get billing together. 112 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: Oliverne Shirley did like two females. But if it was 113 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: a man and a woman, yeah, wow. 114 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: I know. 115 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was number one. You were number two. 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: Right. So what we're referring to is on a call sheet. 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: They give you the call sheet the night before it 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: tells you, you know, the scenes that you're doing. The 119 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: next day. Every member of the crew gets it. The 120 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: cast gets. It tells you what scenes you're doing, what 121 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: time your makeup call is, and then what time your 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: set call is. 123 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: And. 124 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: So it's always a big thing of who is number 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: one on the call sheet. And I actually had this 126 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: conversation about Charmed because I was always number one on 127 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: the call sheet, but nine O two and zero Jason 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: was number one on the call sheet. And again, nothing 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: that I even thought of right back then. It's just 130 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: because of the how far we as women have come, 131 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: where we're now standing up for ourselves a lot more 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: in our business and I think in other businesses as well, 133 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: of women demanding equal pay and equal attention, recognizing that 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: their work is as important as their male counterpart. That 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: I really started looking at it and going, how did 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: he get paid more money in top billion out me? 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: How was that? There was no I hate Brandon clubs 138 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: like Hello, and because the one she instantly got said 139 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: to be he was the quarterback, the quarterback, Whereas I think, 140 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: did my dad coin that? 141 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Yes, your dad coined it? 142 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: Or were you the fucking cheerleader? 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Oh right? 144 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: I was like that's I was just like your backup answer. 145 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Whereas probably had I been told I was quarterback, it 146 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: might have changed dynamic on set and made me feel 147 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: like I had to step up to the responsibility a 148 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: little bit more, or everything could had just gone down 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: the way that it did and it doesn't matter. You 150 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: can't repeat history. But I found that to be a 151 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: really interesting thought that's been popping into my head a lot, 152 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: where I was like, God, things were so different back then. 153 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: I never thought of that one hundred percent. Yeah, And 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: it's so shaming when you're on a call sheet and 155 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: you're not number one. It's just kind of live your 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 2: life based on those numbers, which is it's ridiculous do 157 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: it anymore. It's just I don't know, I was like 158 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: number eight or nine or ten or something, so I 159 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: never was. 160 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: It was I'm going to tell you what you were, 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: because it went Ja me, Jenny, No, it was Ginny, 162 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: and then Luke. Right, it was Jenny. Then why a H. 163 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: Promised you Luke was number seven. 164 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Because he wasn't on the Pilott. Yeah, so it was 165 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Jason Me, Jenny Iron, Gabrielle right, Brian Luke and then 166 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: you Yeah. Oh so you got pushed to the bottom, 167 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: probably because you were the producer's daughter. 168 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: And I was like, please make me number thirty on 169 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: the cast list. I don't want any preferential treatment. Please 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: just push me down. 171 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: I imagine, because you've mentioned it a couple of times, 172 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: that being the boss's daughter, you didn't want preferential treatment. 173 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: You wanted people to like you for who you were, 174 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: or not who your father was, right, and that that 175 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: must have left you without a lot of power in truth, 176 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: because although people would think it gives you power because 177 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: your dad is the boss, it's the opposite, the antithesis, 178 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: because I would imagine that instead you're like, I'm not 179 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: going to fight for a raise. I'm not going to 180 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: do this. I'm not gonna because my dad is the boss, 181 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: and I don't want it to seem like nepotism or whatever. 182 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: Right I'm a nepo baby, right man. I think that 183 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: depends on the human. Like, I feel like there's a 184 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: lot of people that would be like, yeah, I'm the 185 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: boss's daughter, like cool, and that wasn't me. So I 186 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: just wanted to fit in. I want it to belong. 187 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: I I have this weird thing like I've always known 188 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: somewhere deep down that I was talented, but it just 189 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: got so blurred out in the mix of it because 190 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: it was like I heard so much like well, she 191 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: can't possibly be talented if her dad's the producer, which 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: makes absolutely no sense. But it was so ingrained even 193 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: back then, you know, it was just and you know what, 194 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: I got to be honest. A lot of it came 195 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: from when we started. There would be crew members very 196 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: early on like oh, you're nice. I thought I was worried. 197 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, the boss's daughter's on the show, 198 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: you know, just and they in passing. But those like 199 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: stuck to me and I was like, oh man, what 200 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: do I do? You know, I have to be perfect 201 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: and no one can be perfect. That's why I was like, 202 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: I have to be on time, I have to you know, 203 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: be quiet, I have to be sweet, I have to 204 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: agree to anything and everything. When did that sort of 205 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: change for you where you felt like you could tell 206 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: your agent, yeah, you can fight for a raise for me. 207 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: Everybody else is getting raises and I'm not getting reasons 208 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: and I'm being paid as a day player. Like when 209 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: did it change where you finally believed in yourself enough 210 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: or believed in your position on the show enough that 211 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: you would prove in yourself enough where you could fight for. 212 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: All of that. 213 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: This is a tough one. 214 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: It would probably be after you left. 215 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: And why unless you know, you're like, I'll take herself 216 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: because I hid behind you. I hid behind you for 217 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: so many years, Like yeah it was I don't know. 218 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: We were like a unit, we were a team, and 219 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: you fought for yourself, you fought for everyone always, so 220 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: I could just hide behind you and that would be fine, 221 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: and somehow I would get taken care of. You know, 222 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: they would. If I didn't like something I was wearing, 223 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: I whisper it to you and you'd be like, no, no, no, 224 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't think she should wear this. Because I was 225 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: scared to say anything, right, So I was your little mouthpiece. 226 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, literally, like you took care of me, and 227 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: so when you weren't there, it's like, well here you are, 228 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: because no one else was going to take care of me. 229 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: So I had to. You had to strap on your 230 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: boots and fight for yourself. I mean, that's correct. 231 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: I had to put on my strap on and be like, 232 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: here we go, Phil, Is that what I said? That's 233 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: what I said. 234 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: But that's actually great, I mean not great that I 235 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: got fired, because that was really devastating to me at 236 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: that time, not as devastating as Charmed, to be honest, 237 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: like Charmed rocked my world. Like I still think there's 238 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: part of me that's not recovered from that. But you know, 239 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I was young after, like I was like in my head, 240 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: I was like, fuck these people, like are you kidding? 241 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: And then I got mall Rats and I was like, 242 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: on the better know like it didn't I didn't, and 243 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: yet that was you know that also did nothing for me. 244 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: Is Kevin Smith and I talked basically killed my movie career. 245 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: But I so it's not good that I got fired, 246 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: but I love that there was a silver lining in it, 247 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: and that the silver lining was that you had to 248 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: had to stand up for yourself, you had to find 249 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: your own voice. 250 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah I did, And yeah, in hindsight, like I wish 251 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: you had been there, but maybe I would. 252 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,479 Speaker 1: Never write, maybe you never would have found your voice. 253 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: But maybe I would have and maybe it could have 254 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: coexisted and you would have been my champion you always were, 255 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: so maybe we would have risen together instead of someone 256 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: had to go for someone else to right evolve. And 257 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: I don't look at it that way, but I definitely like, 258 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: you know, fight or ful, there was nothing else. You know, 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: it was either I stood up for myself or just 260 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: sat there and let everyone else rise after you were gone, 261 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: and me just be number eight again. You know, yeah 262 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: it can well, I guess number seven then right now, 263 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: Luke always kept seven, right, you got moved up. 264 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: So for me, I started really seeing the change in 265 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you in like season two, and then it just kept 266 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: on progressing because I think observing you, you seemed to 267 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: have found your confidence in your acting and particularly in 268 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: doing comedy correct and you started feeling a lot more free. 269 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: And yes, there was a lot of encouragement around you 270 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: if you can do this, but you know, ultimately you're 271 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: the one who had to figure out how to believe 272 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: in yourself enough. And it was really that's when I 273 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: started noticing it, when you started getting very funny. You 274 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: were doing the stuff that was kind of off the wall, 275 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: and not that I would have been very scared to try, right, 276 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: it seemed like a huge risk at times. 277 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: That means so much hearing you say those words. 278 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: This is gonna sound super weird. But when Amanda Bynes 279 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: was younger, I remember watching her and like she's the 280 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:36,359 Speaker 1: man that movie right, and her choices, like her facial expressions, 281 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: the choices that she made, so it was like, this 282 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: girl's an outstanding comedy actress. And there's a similarity there 283 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: in the sense of you had no you started having 284 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: no fear about making odd different choices. I started already 285 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: seeing that in you, starting at season two, where you 286 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: just started feeling a little bit more comfortable and more 287 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: settled into who you were, but also being the producer's daughter. 288 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Did you ever think that people were like sucking up 289 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: to you because of who your dad was. Did you 290 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: ever feel that cast or like anyone, not just cast. 291 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: I mean my whole life, I have felt that my 292 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: dad's executive was like when I was young, I had 293 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: like a lemonade and art stand on his lot at 294 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: twentieth and I was selling artwork and I was like, 295 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: you don't have to buy it, and he was like, yeah, 296 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: I do. And I was like five or six, and 297 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: it stood out to me. I was like, oh that okay, 298 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. Oh man, I don't ever want to 299 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: be seen that way. So I was grateful because the cast, 300 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: I feel like, embraced me right away. I never felt 301 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: that with you guys, I mean obviously you and I 302 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 2: became friends right away, but like the rest and it 303 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: was like, I don't remember when it was. It was 304 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: a defining moment where they were all like, oh, you know, 305 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: someone needs to tell Aaron and they were talking about 306 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: like you know, the producer, and someone needs to tell 307 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: them we don't want to do this and da da dah, 308 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: and they did it in front of me and I 309 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, they're talking. I'm one of the gang. 310 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: You know. They're not like, oh God, don't say you know, 311 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: it's sorry, it's your dad, or you can't listen. So 312 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: that's when I realized. And it was always that way 313 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: like it went on. But comedy wise, I mean a 314 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: lot of that I owe to you because we You 315 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: would always say to them like you wanted to do 316 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: more stuff with me. I didn't have a voice, but 317 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: you wanted. We were friends and we had a connection, 318 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: good chemistry and to do more you know Brendan Donna stuff, 319 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: which is why I went to Paris with you and 320 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: like and that allowed me because you always allowed me 321 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: that freedom. You would laugh out loud at me and 322 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: I'd be like, you would encourage my comedy and my behavior, 323 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: whereas you know with other cast members, I didn't feel 324 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: as comfortable stepping out of your show. Yeah, so yeah, 325 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: that's when I saw the Paris episode that was so 326 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: that was my favorite. Why didn't we get to know 327 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 2: to Paris? 328 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: So? I know, but but it was still fun. It 329 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: was so fun shooting on that back lot. Oh my god, 330 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: there was because we worked in warehouses that were converted 331 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: into sound stages, so then all of a sudden, you 332 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: and I are working on a real studio lot with 333 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: like a real commissary. It was so much fun. I 334 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: felt like our clothing was elevated because we were in Paris. 335 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: And then when we were at the cafe and we 336 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: both took the bite and this was your comedy that 337 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: came out again where it was like what is it brains? 338 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: And you were just like, you know, spitting it out, 339 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: but in a much more like dramatic fun way. I 340 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: didn't burst out laughing. I couldn't even keep a straight 341 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: face at that moment. But yeah, those were probably my 342 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: favorite favorite favorite episodes to know. 343 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: I found a photo the other day and it's literally 344 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: were taking a photo of you and You're going like 345 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: like that and your food in your mouth, and I'm like, yep, 346 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: that's us. 347 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: That's us. 348 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: So that moment where I spla out brains, that was 349 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: like our natural behavior in real life, like we were 350 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: funny together and you know kind. 351 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: Of yeah, all right, well we have a lot more 352 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: to talk about. We do, yeah, so much more. It's 353 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: just gonna be a lot. So I'm going to say thanks, 354 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: and I'm going to turn it over to your podcast, Misspelling, 355 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a to be in charge. Now, yeah, 356 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: you have to be in charge. I have another hour 357 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: of this. 358 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: I get to dom you bring it on, all. 359 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Right, you guys, thanks for listening. Now go listen to Misspelling.