1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Hey everyone, you know, 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: we have heard so much about the children of Gaza 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: and the children of Israel. But I started asking myself, 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: are any of us here in America speaking from a 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: place of true knowledge and experience? I really started to say, 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: are we all just like spewing the hot take? We 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: hear all of these hot takes, and much of that 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: is speculation. 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Go now to Balanceifnature dot Com 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: and get thirty five percent off your first preferred order 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: shipped free with promo code Tutor. Actually go right after 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: you hear from our guest, because you don't want to 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: miss this. Let's welcome our guest in Brooke Goldstein to 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. Brook is a human rights attorney and the 48 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: founder of the Lawfair Project, which provides pro bono legal 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: representation to the victims of anti Semitism, and she's the 50 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: founder of the Njew Hatred movement. Brook, thank you so 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: much for being here. 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate it. I actually I was watching some 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: of the clips from your documentary, and that's kind of 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: I really wanted to get into that because I think 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: that is where everybody gets their heartstrings tugged. Right. We 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: think about the kids over there, We think about what 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: happened to the families in Israel, But then you have 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: this this counter argument that all of these kids are 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: in Gaza and the these attacks are hurting kids on 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: both sides. What I found most interesting about your documentary 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: is that these kids in a lot of cases are 63 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: being abused and they become the terror They are used 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: as terror ponds of the terrorists. They go in with 65 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the suicide vests. One of the kids that you had 66 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: in your documentary was only six years old, So how 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: do you fix that? I mean, tell us a little 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: bit about why you did it, tell us a little 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: bit about the documentary, and then help us understand what 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: happens when kids this age are brought into terror organizations. 71 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: So, first of all, Tutor, I want to thank you 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: for bringing up the issue of the child abuse that's 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: happening and the mass radicalization, as well as my film, because, 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: as you mentioned in the beginning, a lot of reporters 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: are covering the conflict from this place of extreme privilege here. 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: In the West. 77 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: Even if they're in Is, they're reporting from a hotel 78 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: in Tel Aviv. Gaza is run by Hamas. There are 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: actually no journalists in Gaza. Everybody who is getting the 80 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: news is getting it from Hamas. Hammas does not allow 81 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: the international press to enter into Gaza to document firsthand 82 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: and see what's going on. And prior to the war, 83 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: if you wanted to enter Gaza, you had to do 84 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: so with Hamas permission on a Hummas tour, and obviously 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 3: they were setting up stories. 86 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: They weren't showing you the reality. 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: Because the reality is, as we documented in our award 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: winning film The Making of a Martyr, there is a 89 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: system of an oppression and mass child abuse and indoctrination 90 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: and radicalization that's happening not just in Gaza, by the way, 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: but also in Judaea, Samaria, in the Palestinian administered territories, 92 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: where children, innocent children from in infancy, are being taught 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: through their school textbooks, by their television programs, by their 94 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: religious leaders, often by their own family, that the greatest 95 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: thing that they should aspire to is violence, is jihad, 96 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: is their own death, while killing Jews in the process, 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: that this. 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: Is a religious duty for them. 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: So this indoctrination starts the radicalization of Muslim youth, which, 100 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 3: in my opinion as a human rights attorney, is one 101 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: of the greatest crimes against humanity, because you are destroying 102 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: the future of that innocent child. 103 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: Whether you are a. 104 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 3: Muslim or Christian or Jewish, it doesn't matter. All children 105 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: deserve an education and a media free of incitement to 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: hate and violence. And yet if you go into the schools, 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: as we did for example in Ramala, into calm and 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: junine and novelist, what you see are not schools indoctrination 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: and recruitment centers. And nowhere is this more prevalent than 110 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: in the United Nations run schools, the UNRA schools, the 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: un RWA, the United Nations Relief Works Agency which is 112 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: the arm of the United Nations tasked with providing education 113 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: to the Palestinian Muslim population. Now, these schools, especially in Gaza, 114 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: have been completely taken over by Hamas. UMRA has actually 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: hired teachers off the Hamas payroll. They teach from curriculum 116 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: provided by Hamas, and they have allowed Al Kutla Ali Islamia, 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: which is Hamas's youth wing, to recruit children out of 118 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: their schools to become suicide homicide bombers, to become child 119 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: soldiers and to act as human shields, and in Gaza 120 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: in particular. And I'll conclude with this thought, the purpose 121 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: of Gaza since the Israeli withdrawal in two thousand and 122 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: five has been to create the largest civilian human shield, 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: rocket launching pad for terrorism and human history. And that's 124 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: what is happening to the children in Gaza. There are 125 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: weapons being stored in children's schools and obviously under hospitals 126 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: as well, and innocent Muslim children are being used as 127 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: human shields for the sole purpose of Hamasa's terror and 128 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: propaganda war. 129 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: And when we say human shields, I want to dig 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: into that a little bit because I think people some 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: people hear that and they think, you know, people are 132 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: running around holding a kid up, But you're talking about 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: they're putting this into hospitals. They're putting their operator they're 134 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: military or militant operations into hospitals and schools because they're 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: saying because then they can come out and say, oh, 136 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: they bombed a school, but they're hiding the whole operation 137 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: there behind these kids. These kids. They know these kids 138 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: are going to die. 139 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: And their intent is for these children to die. 140 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: And actually what I am talking about is physically also 141 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: using children, holding the children as human shields. When I 142 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: interviewed two soldiers for my film, this actually didn't make 143 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: the final cut, but we have it, and actually I 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: think I'm going to upload it. It was such a 145 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: powerful interview. There were two soldiers they were actually brothers, 146 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 3: and the brothers explained to me how when they were 147 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: fighting that there was an instance actually where the terrorists 148 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: were using babies. They were using Muslim babies, holding them 149 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 3: literally as shields as they were shooting at the soldiers, 150 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: and I asked them, well, you know, what do you 151 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: do in that circumstance, And one of the soldiers said, well, 152 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: you know, if it's between me and. 153 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 2: Him, I have no choice. I have to shoot, because you. 154 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: Know, the laws of armed conflict are clear. The person 155 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: who puts the child in harm's way is then responsible 156 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: for the foreseeable result. Whereas the younger brother said, you know, 157 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: I couldn't live with myself if I shot the child. 158 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: You know, I would rather take the bullet myself. And 159 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: these are exactly the types of split second decisions that 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: will cost you your life on the battlefield, besides actual 161 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: physical human shields. Exactly what you said is correct. The hospitals, 162 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: the schools, and I just uploaded a couple videos now 163 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: on Instagram also showing evidence of this, are literally used 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: to store weapons. But the grounds of the schools are 165 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: also used as rocket launching areas where the Jamas or 166 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: the alak Samarta Bagades, or the Islamic Jihad or there's 167 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: a whole range of different terrorist groups that operate in 168 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: this area. It's not just humas go into these schools, 169 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: they fire the rockets knowing that the Israelis are going 170 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: to have no choice but to fire back, they run away, 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: and then they leave the children there and their teachers 172 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: again to act as human shields, relying on the fact 173 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: that the IDEAF is the most humane army in the 174 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: world and if it can, it will not carry out 175 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: that attack. Only under the circumstances where it's absolutely necessary. 176 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: Will the IDF then target what is a civilian shield entity? 177 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: And you see this now in the fighting in Gaza, 178 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: where the IDEF does everything they can to warn the 179 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: civilians to evacuate, to provide a corridor for the civilians 180 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 3: to evacuate, and even when they do so, Hamas refuses 181 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: to allow them to evacuate. 182 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: We saw. 183 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask that because like my 184 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: Western mind is trying to and I think that's the 185 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: problem that we have across the United States right now, 186 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: is that we think of this from our own life experience, 187 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: from our own Western world, and my Western mind says 188 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: to me, why do these parents send their kids to 189 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: this school? Because there is no way I would just 190 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: absolutely no way I would refuse to allow my kids 191 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: to go to school knowing that this was going on. 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Why is there no alternative? Why don't they just keep 193 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: them home? Why do they go to school? 194 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: So, first of all, they have no choice. The indoctrination 195 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: system is pervasive. It's not just the school system, it's 196 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: the cartoons, it's the radio, it's the broadcast from the 197 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: mosques every day, broadcasting violence. 198 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: It's a culture. It's a culture of violence. 199 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: And if you talk about this, you are labeled racist, 200 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: you're labeled Islamophobic. 201 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: But I always thought to myself, how ironic that. 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: Was if people like me are risking their life And 203 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: I risked my life for a period of two years 204 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: going in and out of these areas controlled by designated 205 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: terrorist groups to document this form of child abuse. 206 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: Okay, if risking. 207 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: Your life to make the argument that Muslim children are innocent, 208 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: Muslim children. 209 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: Don't deserve this. 210 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: If that's anti Muslim, If being anti terror is anti Muslim, 211 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: what then is pro Muslim? And isn't that in and 212 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: of itself the bigotry, the bigotry of low expectations, where 213 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: you're infantilizing this community saying, well, this is their culture. 214 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: They have no choice. They do have a choice. 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: And the other thing that I realized when I was 216 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: filming is that the Palestinian people, whether you're living in 217 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: the so called West Bank or Gaza, are being held 218 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: hostage by radical elements. And there's a huge difference between 219 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: the adult population and the child population. 220 00:12:59,080 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: Now, let me explain. 221 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: When we were interviewing adults, some would say completely different 222 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: things off camera than they would say on camera because 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: they knew if they came out and criticized the Islamist 224 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: terrorists that they would put their lives in danger. We 225 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: actually had a very brave mother of Hussam Abdu, who's 226 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: the main character of my film, who is a fifteen 227 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 3: year old physically handicapped. He was rumored to be mentally 228 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: handicapped Palestinian boy who was recruited for a suicide homicide 229 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: attack and in the end he ended up chickening out 230 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: not doing it, and you'll have to watch my movie 231 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 3: to see what then happens to him. But we interviewed 232 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: his parents on camera, and his parents were adamant that 233 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: they did not support these activities. They were very brave 234 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: to tell us that on camera. They said he was duped, 235 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: they don't support the recruitment and they wanted their son back. 236 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: We then interviewed his older sister. She was about twelve 237 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: thirteen years old, and she was very proud of her brother. 238 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: She held up a certain wit that was given to. 239 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: Her by Hamas praising her brother as a martyr, as 240 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: a hero, and her indoctrination. 241 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: Level was higher. 242 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: And as a child, she doesn't have the capability to 243 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: make these types of decisions. She doesn't have the capability 244 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: to really understand what she's saying. That's why we have 245 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: special laws for children to protect children. 246 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 247 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. I'm listening to what you're saying, 248 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: and it's so reminiscent of some of the folks that 249 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: we've had on this podcast that have talked about sex 250 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: trafficking in the United States. And it's the same thing 251 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: where the parents are like, I had no idea, this 252 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: is not what I wanted. They got to my kid. 253 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: My kid was somehow vulnerable either. They said, we're going 254 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: to get you something that you've never had. You're gonna 255 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: have nice things, You're going to be held in high esteem. 256 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: They get to these kids who and the boy you're 257 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: the fifteen year old boy you're talking about who had 258 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: a physical limp and was teased by the kids in school. 259 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: He was vulnerable to that message. And I think, you know, 260 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times people are like, oh, these kids 261 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: are just bad kids, and I do. I mean, I'm 262 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: guilty of thinking to myself, well, this is not like 263 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: our kids, Like our kids here in the United States 264 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: couldn't get drawn into this. But I'm naive in the 265 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: fact that this doesn't happen. I don't have to worry 266 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: about this. I don't have to worry about the government 267 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: coming into my school and telling my child that you're 268 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: going to have this beautiful Well what are they why 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: do you? I mean, let me ask you that is 270 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: there is this heaven? What are they going to? Why? 271 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Why die for this? 272 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: Cause? 273 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: It's theology. 274 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: People don't understand that the conflict we have throughout the 275 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: Middle East, you know, the so called Israel Palestine conflict, 276 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: which I think is a little bit misnamed. There's no 277 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: conflict between the Israeli people and the Arabs. There's a 278 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: conflict between terrorist groups that are proxies of Iran and 279 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: Kintar in the Western world. And this is a religion based, 280 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: a theologically theological based war. It's the same as Isis, 281 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: al Qaeda, the Taliban. There is a radical version of 282 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: Islam that is being used to preach violence, to recruit violence, 283 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: and to justify terrorism against civilians. And what's happening in 284 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: Gaza is exactly the same. This is not about land 285 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: for peace. We all know the Palestinians were offered dozens 286 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: of times to have their own state. 287 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: But that's not what they want. They want a jihad. 288 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: And it's very clear we in the West, like you said, 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: we impose our own thoughts. But if we just listen 290 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: even to what they're saying at the pro Hamas chance 291 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: all over the world, in London and Sydney, on the 292 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: streets of New York and Paris, they're chanting from the 293 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: river to the sea. The goal is to re establish 294 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: an Islamic caliphate over what they claim is Muslim land, 295 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 3: and to defeat the Infidel, to kill non Muslims and 296 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: to subjugate them. And if you watch Palestinian Authority TV, 297 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: if you watch Iranian TV, if you listen to what 298 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: they're saying, they have no qualms about what they're doing. 299 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: They're telling you what they're doing, and they view Israel 300 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: as a little America because they view Israel as the other, 301 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: as a Western ideology, as a non Muslim ideology, and 302 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: the hatred that they direct against Israel, against Jews is 303 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: the same hatred they direct against the United States, they 304 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: direct against Britain, they direct against. 305 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: Every Western country. 306 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: And we have to wake up and realize that we 307 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: are all in this together, that creating another Palestinian Islami 308 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: state in a sea of failed Islamic fascist dictatorships is 309 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: not going to be a solution to the very real 310 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: problem of radical Islam. And yet when we started waking 311 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: up to this after nine to eleven, and people in 312 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: the counter terrorism community and a lot of my clients, 313 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: for example, and moderate Muslims started going on the media 314 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: started talking about this, writing books about this, politicians raising 315 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: alarm about this. There was a campaign to slander and 316 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: defame anyone who was speaking about theologically motivated terrorism as 317 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 3: a threat to peace, as a threat to the West, 318 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: as anti Islam, as islamophobic. And that campaign was very 319 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: strategic because it managed to silence and intimidate people from 320 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 3: talking about this. And then came the woke and the 321 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: political correctness. 322 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: We've turned a blind eye. 323 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 3: Not just to what's happening in the Middle East, but 324 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: radicalize on our own campuses. 325 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: I want to point something out when you talk about this, 326 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: because I think that we see this radicalization on our 327 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: campuses and we think this all just started, you know, 328 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: and even though we hear, oh, this has been going 329 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: on for thousands of years, this battle between the Israelis 330 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: and the Arabs, and I mean, you know, we can 331 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: read through history that that is true. But I think 332 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: that this is so personal now because we have students 333 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: on either side of it, a lot of students on 334 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: the side of the terror organization, and they think that 335 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: this is They think this has just happened. They think 336 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: that Israel has just occupied I mean I heard a 337 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: kids say, well, just a few years ago, the Palestinians 338 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: lived there and the Israelis kicked them out. Like people 339 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: don't know the history. But I want to point out 340 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: that in your movie The Making of a Martyr, that 341 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: is almost twenty years ago that you did. You made 342 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: that movie almost twenty years ago, you're seeing this and 343 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: now in that time, in that space, we have had 344 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: people like Rashida Talib here in Michigan get into Congress, 345 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: and that chant that you were talking about is a 346 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: chant that she is out there. She made an actual 347 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: I guess I would call it an ad that she 348 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: put out on Twitter. Warning, no, not warning, I would say, 349 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: threatening the president of the United States, we are not 350 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: with you unless you agree with us, saying from the 351 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: River to the sea, that is a call to exterminate 352 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: Jewish people. So what is your take on Rashida Talib 353 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: and our college students looking at that and going, man, 354 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: this is a congresswoman. She must I mean, you have 355 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: authority as a congresswoman, right. 356 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: So to address your first point as well, you have 357 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: to live in a total historical vacuum. You have to 358 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 3: be completely ignorant of history to take the position that 359 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: this is Israel's fault, that Israel occupies Aza and there 360 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: has to be a ceasefire. There was a ceasefire on 361 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: October the sixth, and that ceasefire was broken by Hamas. 362 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: Israel was sending millions of dollars worth of aid to Gaza. 363 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: They were letting thousands of gozens cross the border every 364 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 3: day to come into Israel for jobs, eight thousands, thousands, 365 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 3: and many of those thousands participated in the attack. People 366 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 3: don't know this. It wasn't just Hamas that came over 367 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: the border. It was thousands of regular, every day gos 368 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: and citizens that stormed the border and committed atrocities against 369 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: innocent civilians. To say, for example, Gaza is occupied, is insane. 370 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: Israel pulled out every single man, woman and child, because 371 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: the world told the Jewish state that if you leave Gaza, 372 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: if you create a Palestinian state, if you let them 373 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: govern themselves, there will be peace. And a lot of 374 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: people warned about what exactly happened, which is that Gaza 375 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: would be taken over by terrorists and would be used 376 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: as the largest civilian rocket launching pad in history. And 377 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened. And in terms of Rashida Talaib, 378 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 3: the Law Fair Project a couple of weeks ago actually 379 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: submitted a report and a demand to the Congressional Ethics 380 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: Committee demanding that she be censured, and so we were 381 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: really happy to see that in the end she was. 382 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: Because there's nothing that. 383 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: Is a greater threat to the integrity of the US 384 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: government and the safety of the United States of America. 385 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 3: The members of Congress who are pro hamas members of 386 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: Congress who openly support terrorism, not just against Israelis, against Americans, 387 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: over thirty Americans are dead. We have American servicemen being 388 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: attacked all over the world by Hamas and their allies 389 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: and Iranian and Qatar proxies. We have Americans currently being 390 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: held hostage, and we have pro Hamas members of the 391 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: US government that not only openly support terrorism terrorism against Americans, 392 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 3: but who also feel comfortable to attend pro Hamas rallies 393 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 3: and chant genocidal chants that advocate for the elimination of 394 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 3: the Jewish state and the Jewish people. And Americans need 395 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: to think long and hard where this country is going 396 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: if we continue to allow our students and our youth 397 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: to be indoctrination, to be indoctrinated, not just by members 398 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: of Congress, but pro Hamas academia. A report just came 399 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: out by NCRII and I always forget what the acronym 400 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: stands for oursel You'll forgive me the National Contagion Research 401 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: Institute or something like that, which documented that Qatar has 402 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: spent over one billion dollars a year for the last 403 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: ten years. 404 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: That's ten billion dollars, and that's what they could uncover. 405 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: And there's tons of undocumented funding as well, and the 406 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: funding is going to our universities to fund Middle Eastern 407 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: studies department, critical race theory, diversity, equity inclusion, to radicalize 408 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 3: the American population not just against Israel, but to be 409 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: anti American. And that is the point. We cannot see 410 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: this not only in a historical vacuum, but we also 411 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: cannot view this just in a so called Israeli Palestine vacuum. 412 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 3: The problem is not over there. The problem is here, 413 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: and we're seeing that right now. 414 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 415 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. Let me bring this home for 416 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit like bring this all together 417 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: for you, because a few weeks ago, we had a 418 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: young woman on here named Reina. She is and she's 419 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: a motivational speaker. She mentors high school kids. She also 420 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: spent a year in Israel. She experienced anti semitism here 421 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: in the United States when she moved from Memphis, or 422 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: from Tennessee to Florida. One of her students last week, 423 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: and this is just so devastating to think about this, 424 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: because I think that people need to understand that Americans 425 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: fight for the IDF. Americans go over there and they serve. 426 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: And we had a young woman from Georgia who was 427 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: one of her students, and she sent us this and 428 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: she said, this is just this is what this is 429 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: the reality. Grew up in Georgia, grew up as an American, 430 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: went back to serve when this happened, went back to serve. 431 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: She was stabbed twenty times and killed. This is someone 432 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: who is someone who lived like us. You know, the 433 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: same is true of Israeli people. They are a Western country. 434 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: And so she went over there and she was stabbed 435 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: and killed by one of the Hamas. I guess terrorists. 436 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it, but I 437 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: struggle to say it honestly, because it was a fifteen 438 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: year old boy, a fifteen year old boy who was 439 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: able to stab someone twenty times, stab a woman twenty times, 440 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: and kill her. And it was so shocking to me 441 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: because I have a fourteen year old daughter who is 442 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: dating a fifteen year old boy, and I cannot imagine 443 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: this boy having that in him. You know, what does 444 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: it take to create that? And how disarming for someone 445 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: to have a child attack them. I mean, I think 446 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: it is so hard for us to understand. You've been 447 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: fighting so hard for these kids, but is there a 448 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: real way to save these children. If this is so 449 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: ingrained in society there. 450 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: Well, you asked, what does it take for a fifteen 451 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: year old to become a murderer, And the answer is 452 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: that it takes a lifetime of indoctrination. And that's why 453 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: this is the greatest crime against humanity, because not only 454 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: are you turning children into killers and ruining their future 455 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: and destroying them psychologically, destroying them forever, but you are 456 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: supporting violence against others as well. Look, I write about 457 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: this a lot in my book and Jew Hatred, a 458 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Manual for Mobilization, which is coming out and actually available 459 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: now for pre order. And I answer this question, how 460 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: have we come to this place? Where does jew hatred 461 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: come from? And while everyone is capable of hatred, okay, 462 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: when you're born, you have a whole different types of emotions. 463 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: You can hate, you can love. Jew Hatred is taught. 464 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: Nobody is born an anti Semite. And what we've seen 465 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: in the Palestinian context is a culture that is entirely 466 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 3: based on indoctrination of their children towards hatred. They're not 467 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: teaching their children to become lawyers, to become doctors, to 468 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 3: seek a better life to engage in peace. There is 469 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: no peaceful Palestinian movement. There is no Palestinian movement for democracy. 470 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: It just doesn't exist. It is a movement for violence 471 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: and for hatred. And we need to call this out 472 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: for what it is, and we cannot be afraid of 473 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: speaking the truth because when you advocate against this type 474 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: of hatred, what you're really doing is you're doing pro 475 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: Palestinian advocacy. Because if you really care about Palestinian children, 476 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: if you really care about the future of the Arabs 477 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: in the Middle East, then you want to advocate for 478 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: a non violent solution. And if you support Hamas, if 479 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: you even support the PA or Fatah or slam A 480 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: Jihad or the Alacks or Marty brigades, you are supporting 481 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: the continued oppression and violence against innocent Palestinian people. 482 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: I think that's something we so desperately needed to hear. 483 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: And I want to say again that I think that 484 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: the folks listening should watch your documentary. Where can they 485 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: find it? 486 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: We put it online for free, I believe now it 487 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: exists on a platform called Vimeo, and I think you 488 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: can find it simply by googling the Making of a 489 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: Martyr documentary film. Probably add my name in that Google search, 490 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: Brooke Goldstein, and it will come up. And I welcome 491 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: any comments. And unfortunately the documentary, even though it was 492 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: released in two thousand and six, unfortunately could not be 493 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: more relevant today because of anything, things have gotten very 494 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: much worse. 495 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: And tell folks about where to pre order the book 496 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: and you you. 497 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: Can go on Amazon and Google or search and you 498 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: Hatred a manual for mobilization. Please do pre order the 499 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: book and leave a comment as well about what your 500 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: expectations are, what your feelings are about the current climate. 501 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 3: We welcome all comments. 502 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: It was so nice to have you here today. Honestly, 503 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: this is something that we needed to hear. We needed 504 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: that deeper understanding. Like when I started this podcast, I said, 505 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I see all these hot takes, I see all these 506 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: people who act like they're coming from a place of knowledge, 507 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: and we're all trying to figure it out because so 508 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: many of us are looking at this from the standpoint 509 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: of growing up in a society where you don't have 510 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: these things pushed on you. So hearing from you today, 511 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: getting the background, Brock Goldstein, it was very, very very 512 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: helpful to us. 513 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me I just want to make 514 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: one more small point, sort of coming off what you 515 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: just said. All of these protests again they complain about colonialism. 516 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: But it occurred to me the other day that while 517 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: watching actually videos of really brave Gosins filming themselves criticizing Humas, 518 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: begging the world to listen to them, that they don't 519 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: support Hamas, that they want the Israelis to get rid 520 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: of UMAs, and then watching videos of members of the 521 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: Western media justify Hammas, I thought, well, isn't this just 522 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: a modern form of colonialization where people in the West, 523 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: from their place of privilege, are promoting a terrorist group 524 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: to control violently and indigenous population when that population itself 525 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: doesn't want them. And I want everybody to think about that. 526 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: Think about the effect of the Western media acting as 527 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: a peasers and justifiers for Hamas when the population itself 528 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: is suffering under this terrorist government. You are complicit in 529 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: the abuse, the continued abuse of the Palestinian Arab people 530 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: if you support Hamas. 531 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I think it's such an important point. It's something that 532 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: we don't we aren't able to unpack on our own. 533 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that you were able to pull back 534 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: the layers of this onion today because honestly, it was 535 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: something I needed to understand as a mom of four kids, 536 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: because I'm going how, how how I don't get it 537 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: because I don't live it and I don't understand it. 538 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: And you were there, like you said, you spent the 539 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: two years. I really encourage people to watch that because 540 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: I think we're all wondering, well, what is it really like? 541 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: And I think that the Making of a Martyr will 542 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: help everyone. Brook Fldstein, thank you, thank you, and thank 543 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 544 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: For this episode and others, go to tutordisonpodcast dot com. 545 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: You can subscribe right there, or head over to the 546 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts and join 547 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a 548 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: blessed day.