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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williams and Rob King will be joining us here

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Speaker 1: a little bit later. But Steeler's just wrapping up their

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Speaker 1: practice today here at Saint Vincent College and uh, well

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Speaker 1: they weren't in pads today, but they did a little

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Speaker 1: two minute drill. Yeah yeah, so up tempo and to

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Speaker 1: finish things off, and had the officials here, so we

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Speaker 1: got to see a good look at really starting to

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Speaker 1: implement some of the kick return and kickoff rule stuff.

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Speaker 3: That might have been my biggest takeaway was who were

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Speaker 3: going to be out there, what kind of body types,

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Speaker 3: what specific players on kickoff and kickoff coverage. I think

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Speaker 3: it's pretty interesting. I mean, it wasn't shocking. I think

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Speaker 3: we were pretty right in our analysis there, but show

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Speaker 3: that's what's shocking. Did right, We were actually righting our analysis.

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Speaker 3: We saw Russell Wilson out there, I thought he looked sharp.

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Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was a good practice overall,

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Speaker 3: but that kickoff stuff stood out to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't see Wilson out there the entire time.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do any team stuff. He did some seven

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Speaker 1: on seven again, and he had a nice throw down

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Speaker 1: the middle when his first pass and seven on seven

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Speaker 1: is the Van Jefferson got behind Joey Porter Jr. And

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Speaker 1: Van Jefferson just keeps he's showing on. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just keep showing up. Had a touchdown in seven shots.

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Speaker 1: Just he's a professional receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he can get them field. I think he can

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Speaker 3: attack all levels of the field, man and zone.

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty.

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Speaker 3: Strongly as we sit here at the very beginning of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know, especially with Rome Wilson out right. Now,

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Speaker 1: to get him as healthy as possible. But yet the

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Speaker 1: kickoff stuff, you know, they were working today on kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and again I thought the personnel used was

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Speaker 3: really interesting. I mean, you made note when we were

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Speaker 3: all defensive players, and there were and every time of

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Speaker 3: then louder Milk got the end of it. I would

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Speaker 3: think lel is the most obvious one of the that group,

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Speaker 3: big body out there, tons of linebackers, her big two

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Speaker 3: Brew Mattikaevich. I mean, those guys are core.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that count of five linebackers, a defensive lineman and

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Speaker 4: know you guys both make note of how many Special

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Speaker 4: And there's not a lot of contact going on out there,

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Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see who makes the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again we kind of laid out who was

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Speaker 3: thought Moon being involved with the higher end the ones

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Speaker 3: you know, an hour before that they'd signed a Golden,

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Speaker 1: Well, they got a couple of guys hurt at that

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Speaker 4: But I think Moon was Moon one of the guys

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Speaker 3: he was definitely on kickoff coverage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's going to be something, you know, can

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, We're seeing Russell Wilson in bits and pieces out here,

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Speaker 1: and I have to say, he just to me, he

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Speaker 3: And again it's we've seen much more Fields than we've

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Speaker 1: Long way away. Yeah. You know, there was a speculation

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Speaker 4: I'd like to see, right, and now somebody puts it out,

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Speaker 4: I would like to see.

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Speaker 1: So I say that all the time. You have to

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Speaker 4: And it's never been more muddy in the world than

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Speaker 3: So fact there's not a quarterback competition going on right now,

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Speaker 4: A lot of times though, that doesn't work. Right, We

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying what Sean Payton may work. It

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't sign Wilson, he wasn't married to Wilson.

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Speaker 1: He knew he had the gravitas to say, Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: he's not my kind of quarterback doesn't mean he's not

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Speaker 3: No, No, and Dale, you've seen this with Roethlisberger and

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Speaker 1: I firmly believe that I could.

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Speaker 3: Bring my daughter in here, who doesn't know who any

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean Wilson's going to complete passes or

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Speaker 4: Well, and I think that's a that's a natural progression

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Speaker 4: What matters is that at some point that's you know,

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Speaker 4: Whatever it is. I still go back to this. I

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Speaker 3: Another really good example, as you were saying that is

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Speaker 3: If Wilson could provide some of that. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: And there's still value if you are a late knowledgeable quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, people read too much

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Speaker 1: But Wilson's better.

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Speaker 3: But it's not close to me, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but people read into these things what they want

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Speaker 3: No, I think that'll be very clear to people once

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it'll look a lot different.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's a beautiful day here at Saint Vincent, a

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Speaker 1: And we are back here live at Saint Vincent College

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Speaker 1: and beautiful Latro, Pennsylvania, where the Steelers just wrapped up

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Speaker 1: their practice session a little while ago. And I'm Dale

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Speaker 1: Lolly here with Rob King and Matt Williamson and will

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Speaker 1: be here with you until two o'clock today, talking Steeler football,

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit of everything around the league. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk one of those things, everything around the league here, guys.

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Speaker 1: The NFL dot Com has been coming out in the

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Speaker 1: NFL network have been coming out with their top one

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Speaker 1: hundred players list of the twenty twenty four season, and

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Speaker 1: they're up. They've looked at it all. They're up to

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Speaker 1: their top ten. They haven't posted the top ten yet,

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Speaker 1: but Maurice Jones Drew posted.

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Speaker 3: His top ten only running backs or no, this is

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Speaker 3: everybody this top ten players, so usually he does running

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Speaker 3: back ranks. Yeah that I don't.

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Speaker 1: Agree with the NFL in the NFL top ten NFL players.

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Speaker 1: So let's go over this first, then we'll go over

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Listen. This is his list, so

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Speaker 1: at ten hes Chris Jones. I agree.

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Speaker 3: It's It's interesting because just two weeks ago, I was

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Speaker 3: asked who are the top five defensive players in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: And I said, let's start here, what Parsons, Bosa, Crosby, Garrett,

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Speaker 3: There's five ed rushers. What other defensive players could knock

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Speaker 3: them out of the top five. The only two names

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Speaker 3: I really came up with were Jones and Warner.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, Warner, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean they could actually crack the top five and knock

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Speaker 3: an edge guy off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. Number nine of Aaron Donald being

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Speaker 1: gone nine for him is Josh Allen. Hmm, he's my

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Speaker 1: number two quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he has another quarterback behind ahead of him,

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Speaker 3: or besides Mahomes ahead of him, I would sort of

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Speaker 3: understand it. And I guess it depends how much stock

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Speaker 3: are we putting a quarter We're gonna have five in

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Speaker 3: the top ten, and just you know.

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Speaker 4: I think we're gonna have two in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be at least hest nine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes at least.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mahomes got to be number one on the list.

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Speaker 4: But how about Jefferson and Chase and yeah, Edge guys

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Speaker 4: you just talked about and you're an offensive lineman, that's

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Speaker 4: gonna be.

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Speaker 1: On that list. I don't think I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean that my point was, any of these top

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Speaker 3: lists could just be so quarterback heavy they couldn't be

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Speaker 3: sew it.

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Speaker 1: You know, at eighty is justin Jefferson. Okay, seven he

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Speaker 1: has Travis Kelcey. Travis Kelcey is still number seven. I

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Speaker 1: don't see that. No.

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Speaker 3: Jefferson verse tyreeg to me is a battle for best

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Speaker 3: receiver on the planet right now.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's great.

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Speaker 3: Kittle might be better at football than him. He's not

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Speaker 3: better at fantasy. He doesn't have as many rings, you know,

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Speaker 3: not dating the pop star. I mean, I get all

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Speaker 3: that Kelsey is amazing, but Kittle might be the better

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Speaker 3: football player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree. Six is Miles Garrett. I'm

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Speaker 1: fine with that. Okay, At five, y STJ Watt so

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Speaker 1: TJ Watt ahead of Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned the five Edge guys. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 3: Crosby's five, but that's almost being them too hard on him.

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Speaker 3: But all those five are awesome. I mean, they just

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Speaker 3: really are.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's got the only guy who could possibly Edge

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Speaker 4: guy could possibly be ahead of them now, it's Parslart, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he won those could He's not. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he's better than those guys right.

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Speaker 4: Now, but I'm just saying he's the only one that

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Speaker 4: could be.

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Speaker 1: Still in this list. Yeah. And here's here's what Jones

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Speaker 1: Drew said. What beats out Garrett in my ranking because

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Speaker 1: he was simply better on the field. He was, and

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Speaker 1: he has the numbers here next to each other. The

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Speaker 1: numbers aren't closed. They're not closed. I don't that's again,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how Miles Garrett wins Defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year last year? Sacks? What had nineteen? Garrett had

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Speaker 1: fourteen quarterback hits? What had thirty six? Garrett had thirty tackles?

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Speaker 1: What had sixty eight? Garrett had forty two tackles for

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Speaker 1: a loss? What had nineteen? Garrett had seventeen forced fumbles?

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Speaker 1: They were dead even with four each interceptions? What had won?

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Speaker 1: Garrett had none pass defenses? What had eight? Garrett had three?

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Speaker 3: Not to speak for rob but I could make the

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Speaker 3: I could make the argument that Parsons is better than

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Speaker 3: both of them, or he's worked in both of them,

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Speaker 3: or Garrett's better than what.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are all so great.

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Speaker 3: But we've had this conversation a ton of times, Dale,

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Speaker 3: and I'm we're one hundred percent agreement that he was

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Speaker 3: more worthy of the defensive MVP. I mean, he had

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Speaker 3: a he had a better case.

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it, Yeah, no doubt. And you mentioned

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Speaker 4: yesterday the lack of productivity. A couple of things can

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Speaker 4: happen that would lead Garrett to getting that award. One

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Speaker 4: as he got off to an unbelievable start. But then

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Speaker 4: when what you see last seven seven seven weeks. I

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Speaker 4: think he had one sack. Yeah, so that seven games

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Speaker 4: the season. That's but you know, maybe you're already out

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Speaker 4: in front of it and the narrative has already written,

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Speaker 4: and then sometimes there is just fatigue, like for some

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Speaker 4: reason people think it's time for somebody else. I think

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Speaker 4: that's Oh, I think that was like very flawed thinking.

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Speaker 4: Your job is to just simply pick the guy who's

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Speaker 4: the best, right, not somebody who you're who is the

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Speaker 4: person you're least tired of.

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Speaker 3: You think that award was almost won this time last year,

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Speaker 3: it's Garrett's turn.

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Speaker 1: He's a great player.

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Speaker 3: Next step, you know, don right, you know, Donald's moving

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Speaker 3: on here sooner than later. Watt's already got one.

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Speaker 4: And you've got the scissors out and you're trimming off

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Speaker 4: the edges to fit into the puzzle piece that you've already.

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Speaker 1: You're pounding your square peg into that round pole. Because

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Speaker 1: on no planet was Miles Garrett markedly better than t. J.

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Speaker 4: Watas. And by the way, that's not to say he's

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Speaker 4: not a he's a great player, but he didn't have

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Speaker 4: the better.

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Speaker 3: Was better, right, So what's interesting too about those five

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Speaker 3: edge rushers to me is Bosa and Parsons with.

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Speaker 1: A lot of late leads. Yeah, it's super.

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Speaker 3: Important if you're an edge pass rusher. I mean, Watt

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Speaker 3: has never in his whole career. Garrett has not played

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Speaker 3: with a lot of them either, this past season in particular,

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Speaker 3: and Crosby never does you know, it's they're never winning

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Speaker 3: by ten with the I talk about this all the

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Speaker 3: time with TJ. I mean, like, when's the last time

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Speaker 3: it act?

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Speaker 1: You sure?

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Speaker 3: They're up eleven points with seven minutes to go and

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Speaker 3: the towels are going crazy and he's.

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Speaker 1: Just see it off, you know, like never. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you guys this, So, if TJ. Watt matches the numbers,

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Speaker 1: let's he just nine tax sacks, thirty six hits, sixty

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Speaker 1: eight tackles, nineteen tackles for a loss, four force fumbles,

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Speaker 1: and an interception, eight pass defenses. Would you take that

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Speaker 1: from him right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And what would Sailor? I mean, that's just an awesome year,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but this is what we've gotten used

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Speaker 3: to with right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean if he's let's say he's one off the

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Speaker 3: sack lead or comes in set getting in the Defensive

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Speaker 3: Player of the Year again of course you tak.

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Speaker 1: But we've gotten so right, capable of more. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: gotten so numb to him being able to put up

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Speaker 1: these kind of numbers. And remember he did this last

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Speaker 1: year without Cam Hayward out there very much.

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Speaker 3: Side note, he had two or three sacks today where

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Speaker 3: he was kicking the sky. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 1: Letting everyone know in the stands. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 1: still he's at ninety six and a half career sacks

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Speaker 1: for his career. And remember we went through the list yesterday,

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Speaker 1: so we went to Bill Barmerol's list. He said, if

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Speaker 1: he plays another four years or another five years and

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Speaker 1: gets fifty more sacks, I bet he gets a one fifty.

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Speaker 1: If he plays plays another.

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Speaker 4: Five more years, he plays two and a half more years, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he could set the sack record this year.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he get forty to the next two years. Yeah right,

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Speaker 3: that's the pace he's been on.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's and nobody would blink an eye like that's what's expected.

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Speaker 4: And you know the what's expected thing, you almost have

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Speaker 4: to chuckle yourself a little bit. I mean for years

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Speaker 4: doing Penguin's postgame shows, we'd say Okay, yeah, Crosby had

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Speaker 4: a goal on and assist, but who else? Did you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like we just like that's you know,

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Speaker 4: just part from the Just a goal on and assist,

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Speaker 4: that's all. That's not a two point game.

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Speaker 1: You know, when people talk about the great athletes in

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh history, and they even when they talk about the

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Speaker 1: great athletes in Pittsburgh now, Crosby still comes up. What

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Speaker 1: kind of gets brushed aside, like we're seeing a generational talent.

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Speaker 3: We are, for sure, we are. It's funny. Rob like

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Speaker 3: to go back even further pre internet. I was like

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Speaker 3: twelve years old. I'd meet my buddy in the park

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Speaker 3: and would walk to school and be like, whatch pens

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Speaker 3: last night? Like how many points to Mario have?

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Speaker 1: Two and two?

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Speaker 4: You know, crazy, absolutely crazy? When that I think, you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: he had there is some incredible number for him. When

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Speaker 4: you talk about consistency, which is what t. J. Watt

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Speaker 4: has done too. Yeah, where Mario I think he like

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Speaker 4: never went more than two games without scoring a point.

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Speaker 1: That's insane.

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Speaker 3: That's that's many medical hardships, right, crazy. I just like that.

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Speaker 1: I think we get numb to this and he again

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Speaker 1: he's fifth on this list. And when we're like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the fifth best player in the league.

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Speaker 3: And this isn't a bash Miles Garrett session. But WAT

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Speaker 3: doesn't go six games without your you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what was it two years ago when he

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Speaker 3: came back from the injury. He wasn't the same player.

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Speaker 3: That's different than just.

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Speaker 1: Put he had more solo tackles than Garrett had combined tackles.

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Speaker 4: You know, And I would not factor what I'm about

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Speaker 4: to say into MVP voting because what you do is

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Speaker 4: what you do, right, you know the numbers you put

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Speaker 4: out there, but they don't you know, Miles Garrett, I

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Speaker 4: think And again, just from the games that I've seen

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Speaker 4: at the Browns, they move him around.

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Speaker 1: More, try to match up.

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Speaker 3: He's the only one of that group that doesen't. Of

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Speaker 3: all five of those guys, TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt, what's the only one that doesn't? You know where

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Speaker 4: he's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And you still can't stop it? Right with three guys.

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Speaker 3: This coordinator, if you remember being for the Browns, Schwartz,

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Speaker 3: he would have Garrett on the second level, like as

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Speaker 3: a linebacker, kind of dancing around between a gaps like

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Speaker 3: that's terrifying, and that is absolutely terrifying. The center doesn't

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Speaker 3: know if I should, you know, fan to the left

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Speaker 3: or the right.

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Speaker 1: You know. Number four on this list is Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 3: M okay, I would have put Hill over Jefferson, especially

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Speaker 3: after last year, but they're neck and neck.

653
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Speaker 1: Number three on the list is Lamar Jackson that I

654
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: have a problem with. I mean, he was MVP and

655
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: he's unbelievable.

656
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: And I was shocked to read the other day that

657
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: in regular season games, Lamar's winning percentage is exactly the

658
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: same as Tom Brady's.

659
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty awesome.

660
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: Not the postseason Steelers or against Steelers or even against

661
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: the North.

662
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: He's coming off an amazing year, but I think Josh

663
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: Allen's a better player. Yeah. Number two, this is going

664
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: to surprise you, Patrick Mahomes, but.

665
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: You have that is well, you know what, it's funny.

666
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: It's funny. I want to go I want to step

667
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: back a second, although I just stepped on the lead.

668
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Sorry about that. You know, Lamar, You're right, Lamar was

669
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: the MVP, and so it's hard not to think of

670
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times when we judge that position,

671
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: we think, Okay, who's going to win a Super Bowl

672
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: for you? We talked about that the other day, like

673
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: that's the most important part of that position. Can you

674
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: lead a team to a super Bowl? And I guess

675
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: maybe in my mind's eye, I'm kind of holding that

676
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: against Lamar that he hasn't had better postseason success. So

677
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: but he did win the MVP.

678
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: Sorry that being said, he won the MVP and this

679
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: isn't bash afc north Hour here. His case wasn't as

680
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: strong as most MVPs, to be honest with you, Like

681
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: the first time he wanted, he had a much better

682
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: case than this one. When Mahomes wanted a couple of

683
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: years ago was a much better case than this one.

684
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: And you know this doesn't detract from Lamar. But Dak

685
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: Prescott was number two in the voting. I mean he's

686
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: not even scratching the list on the top of ten,

687
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

688
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: Right? So, I so sorry I stepped on the lead there.

689
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: But there's there's no way attribute too, There's absolutely no way,

690
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: no way that way.

691
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Well, Number one is Christian McCaffrey.

692
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: He's phenomenal at what he does and he's is the

693
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: gap from McCaffrey to running back two as great as

694
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Mahomes the running back or quarterback too, well.

695
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. I think you have to look

696
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: at McCaffrey is more than just a running a running backs,

697
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: a running back doing the list, yeah right, right, so

698
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of running back by shirt. But

699
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: then you have the running backs in the top ten

700
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: and no one's even closed who two would be? You

701
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

702
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Just because the weapon that he is, he's unbelievable. I mean,

703
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: I have no problem with being in the top ten.

704
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't think most people would even have him in

705
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: the top ten. Yeah, but he can't be one. I mean,

706
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: there's only one guy that could be one, right, come on.

707
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: He's like the Highlander. There can be only one. There's

708
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: only one.

709
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I say this all the time about Mahomes.

710
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, he's been a starter what five years?

711
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: His first year he was not a start at six

712
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: six six, right. The worst season that Chiefs have had

713
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: with him as a starter is losing the AFC championship.

714
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: That's a garbage year for.

715
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: A home losing the championship game.

716
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: I think if you pulled every executive and now you

717
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: can like we talked a little bit about most valuable

718
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: player as opposed to most outstanding player or best player

719
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: most valuable players. So if you're saying the best player

720
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: in the league, what does that mean? Does that mean? Well?

721
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: You could he plays receiver, and he plays running back,

722
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: and he could return kicks and punts if you wanted to.

723
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: And all Mahomes could do is play quarterback. I mean,

724
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: I mean, if you if you're I mean, you're leaving

725
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: yourself some room open there to sit. But I don't

726
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: think there's a personal yeah, right, I don't know. Yeah,

727
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a personnel director in the NFL.

728
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong about this. Who if you said you

729
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: can have any player in the NFL, wouldn't choose Patrick

730
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: Mahomes first?

731
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Everyone times one thousand?

732
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and whoever, if you said anyone butt Mahomes, you'd

733
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: probably get seven or eight answers. I mean they probably

734
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: all be quarterbacks. I mean, right, But even if he

735
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: took a quarterback out of the mix, I don't know

736
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: who the pick could be.

737
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it'd.

738
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: Probably be Garrett Watt, Parsons or you know, one of

739
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: those guys.

740
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: So let's go through the rest of this list here.

741
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: These are the ones that have been voted on. Did

742
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: not make the top ten, did not? Yeah, all right,

743
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: So from players one hundred to ninety one, you got

744
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: Zaire Franklin, the linebacker for the Colts at one hundred.

745
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: These are according to the Player of Rankings. So it's

746
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: all one hundred been announced already. The top ninety have

747
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: been announced. Okay, that's why they did about like Leavonte

748
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: David at ninety nine, Cam Hayward at ninety eight. That's

749
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: down fifty three spots from last year.

750
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: I take that as a science of respect. Yeah, I

751
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: mean he was not a top hundred player last year.

752
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: No Nor ninety seven, Terry McLaurin ninety six, Dion Dawkins

753
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: ninety five, Julian Love And we.

754
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 3: Always talk about this. If you're in the top one hundred,

755
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 3: you're in the what top like six percent of the league.

756
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 3: It's like top five.

757
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I think it's even last it might have been like

758
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: four point seven or something like that. Yeah, ninety four,

759
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence ninety three, Harrison Smith still hanging out another

760
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: respect one. He probably won't be there next year. Ninety two,

761
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, that's down forty one spots. Where would you

762
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: put him?

763
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: Though, it has to be on the list, But where

764
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: do you put him?

765
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hate to have to rank him. Ninety

766
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: one Tarik Woolan. That's down fifteen spots from a year ago. Yeah,

767
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: and I don't know that he played as a top

768
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: one hundred. No, probably not. Did a really good rookie year. Yeah,

769
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: going at number ninety Devonte Smith, he was number one

770
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: hundred last year. Eighty nine is Buddha Baker. That's down

771
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: sixteen spots from a year ago. Eighty eight is Chris Lindstrom,

772
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: the guard from the Falcons. Eighty seven is Hassan Reddick.

773
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: That's down thirty nine spots for him from a year ago.

774
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Had huge sack numbers two years ago. Eighty six is

775
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: Sakwan Barkley. That's down fifty five spots from a year ago.

776
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I see it.

777
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean he's not a g interior runner and he's

778
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: not great in protection, but he's his big players are great.

779
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: Eighty five is Tristan Wurf's that's up thirteen spots. He

780
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: just signed a massive deal to become the highest paid

781
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: left tackle in the league.

782
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: Eighty four dk Metcalf you're all high quality stars that

783
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: aren't superstars.

784
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Eighty three Derwin James, that's down fifty three spots to

785
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: his stock falls up and down. He's like a roller coaster.

786
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Eighty two Montes sweat. Eighty one is Kirk Cousins. That's

787
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: down thirty nine spots from a year ago.

788
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: Makes you wonder how many quarterbacks should be on there.

789
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: I got Lawrence and Cousins.

790
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Uh At eighty Sam Laporta, Yeah, he's just all right.

791
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Seventy nine down sixty one spots. Make a Fitzpatrick ooh.

792
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: I would not.

793
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: Drop him like his and Hayward seasons were not the

794
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: same to me, you know, I don't think one Cam

795
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: was not nearly as good on the field as he

796
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: used to be. Yeah, I don't think Miko was a

797
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: lesser player despite having lesser numbers.

798
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: He did miss some time with injuries, though little bit,

799
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. Seventy eight Kyen Williams, I don't see that.

800
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: If you ask me right now, could you trade would

801
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: you trade make a fitspatcher for Kyen Williams, I'm saying no.

802
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Throwing the first round pick and I wouldn't do it.

803
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Seventy seven Tree Hendrickson yep, seventy six Dre Greenlaw Okay,

804
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: seventy five down forty three spots justin Herbert, I don't

805
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: know that I drop him substantially.

806
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: How many sacks at Hendrickson? Now?

807
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: Last year he was second in the league with like

808
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half. Pretty high?

809
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: Is that interesting to you guys that he's not? I mean,

810
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: by definition there isn't he just a half step below

811
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: the top five guys you he's talking about on the

812
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: list seventy whatever it is.

813
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: I do think if this was Bengals Nation Radio would

814
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 3: be like, that's too low.

815
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I mean.

816
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: He's a great player, but I think he's in a

817
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: tier below those top five guys. Oh yeah, sure, but

818
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: he's in tier two. He's not in tier four, No,

819
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

820
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder how many of those. I wonder if

821
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: there's gonna be anybody in between.

822
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Seventy four is Jesse Bates, He had a really good

823
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: year for them. Seventy three down fifteen spots. Jeffrey Simmons.

824
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: What was bit was Beats Brank last year he wasn't

825
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: was he? No?

826
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Seventy two Garrett Wilson. I bet he's much higher next year.

827
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Seventy one Laramie Tunsell.

828
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a huge year. He's here.

829
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys have any kind of quarterback play

830
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: at seventy we have Amari Cooper. Hmm, he's quietly been

831
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: a better player than people around here. ProAb wouldn't give

832
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: him credit for best football with the Browns. Sixty nine

833
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: up twenty or down twenty two spots? Is Cooper cup? Okay,

834
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: he had to drop a lot. Yeah. Sixty eight Danielle Hunter.

835
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Nice pick up for the Texans sixty seven, up sixteen

836
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: spots to Ron Armstead.

837
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: Ooh, their ability's important kind of yeah. I mean I

838
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: would have tuns over played ten games year. That's I

839
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: he'll play ten games this year too. Yeah, that's he's

840
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: held together with duct tape right now.

841
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: Sixty six Brandon Ayuk who I might even higher? Sixty

842
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: five down eight spots.

843
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: Jordan Poyer.

844
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jordan Poyer is not better than making Fitzpatrick

845
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: or Jesse Bates. No, No, they're not even either, right.

846
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he hit the free agent market and signed

847
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: an ok deal, but the league didn't value him as

848
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: no star.

849
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: No, he's thirty three years old. He's not better than

850
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith. I don't think so either, or Darwin. Yeah,

851
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: sixty four Patrick Queen.

852
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: Hope he sticks there. Yeah, I would take that all day.

853
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: Long, all day long. Next year, sixty three down nineteen spots.

854
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, he.

855
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: Had a tough year. I didn't wouldn't take him at all.

856
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: He played hurt a lot.

857
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: Sixty two.

858
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: Where would he be if he's in another team? Is

859
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: he legit number one? Yeah?

860
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: What's really interesting about the wattle Hill dynamic is Waddle

861
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: does the tough stuff. They don't design plays for Waddle

862
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: like they do Tyreek.

863
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: He's off in the exit. The line of image.

864
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: Dealing with man coverage doesn't mean the Tyreek's worst. It's

865
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: a good coaching the ball with your best guy. But

866
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 3: I think if Wadle was a Steeler, I think could

867
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: be high.

868
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: You know, when the rumor thing, you know, we're talking

869
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: about rumor versus actual reporting, their speculation came out that

870
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: other Dolphins are gonna get some salary issues and they

871
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: could make Jail and Waddle available.

872
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, we talked about it. I brought

873
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: that up before, right, Yeah, I brought that up, he

874
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: said into his fifth year. Are they going to pick

875
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: up that? Ah, you know, maybe explore that.

876
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's a thousand percent chance. The

877
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: Tyreeks of Dolphin next year.

878
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Though they have they do have come, they do have

879
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: contract issues to a big deal. Yeah, sixty two. I

880
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: have a problem with this one. Bradley Chubb. Bradley Chubb

881
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: is not a better player than Trey Hendrickson. No, that's

882
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: a great example of edge guys.

883
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: He's even he's above average starter, he got he got.

884
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: He had eleven sacks last year. It's his first time

885
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: since his rookie season that he's reached and he only

886
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: had eleven.

887
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: He's another one of those guys like he was a

888
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: top six seven pick, so he's always got the benefit

889
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: of doubt if he'd been a second round pick or

890
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 3: drafted with Hendrickson.

891
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: Was you know right, Hendrickson's better than he is.

892
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: It's not close, right, Yeah. Sixty one is justin Matta Bouquet.

893
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: Great year. Yep, moving on to the sixty to fifty

894
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: one range here at sixty raheem mostert. I'm not there

895
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: with that. No, come on, He's scored a.

896
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: Ton of touchdowns on a crazy offense. But no him

897
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: and Kyra Williams.

898
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: To me, you're just thirty one year old running back

899
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: breaking this list for the first time.

900
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, come more products of their environment.

901
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Fifty nine up three spots.

902
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner.

903
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: That's still a little rich. I mean yeah, that's a

904
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: Lifetime Achieving Award.

905
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Fifty eight up twenty three spots. Christian Wilkins.

906
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: Okay, him verse Matta Bouquet is interesting, but there's only

907
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: Dolphins vote on this list.

908
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mostard and Chubb.

909
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah.

910
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Fifty seven justin Simmons's he's not even on a team

911
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: right now.

912
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean he's bad, but he's not with a football team.

913
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to pay him what he thinks he's worth, right,

914
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: or what his reputation is. Yeah, but in this is reputation.

915
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: Fifty six down forty spots. Stefan Diggs.

916
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 3: He'd be below Waddle and Garrett Wilson and a couple

917
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: receivers we mentioned. To me, I think he's approaching Keenan

918
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: allen Land, which, yeah, just move Chaine move. Can he

919
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: play that way though?

920
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see off his ego all out. Fifty five

921
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: is Brian Burns. Okay, like I might take Burns over Hendrickson. Yeah,

922
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: as the edge guys not in the top five. Fifty

923
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: four Jonathan Allen, he had a really.

924
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: Good year the other or oh you're talking about I

925
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 3: got mixed up. I was thinking Josh Allen. That changed

926
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: his name to Josh something Allen. Fifty three up fifteen spots.

927
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: Zach Martin was still one of the best guards in

928
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: the league.

929
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Fifty two Patrick's retained a second. Okay, fifty one Keenan Allen.

930
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't a cut on digs to say

931
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: he's turning into Keen Allen. If he does, the Texans.

932
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: They'd be happy. Yeah, yeah, they'd be happy with that.

933
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: At fifty Rashawn Gary needs the rebound.

934
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: That whole defense kind of took a step back Loft.

935
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, are you putting him ahead of again

936
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: Trey Henderson.

937
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: Would if hendricks Yeah, Gary's got a really high ceiling.

938
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Forty nine down twenty four spots.

939
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: Has Gary has He had a big productive two year years.

940
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: Ago, really really good. Last year was not quite as.

941
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: Good again that that's going to be very interesting with

942
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: the new coordinator and all those number one picks and

943
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 4: it could be a breakout defense.

944
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Forty nine down twenty four spots. Derrick Henry.

945
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.

946
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: I mean he's better than Karen Williams and most of

947
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: you know.

948
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Forty eight up eighteen spots. Jared Goff.

949
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: Where would you rank him? I mean, like, would you

950
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 3: have him head of cousins? Yeah, I think so, Yeah,

951
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: I think so.

952
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm a believer. Forty seven up forty one spots. Aiden Hutchinson.

953
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: He's not ready to crack the top five, but he

954
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: is getting better and better and is more than worth

955
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: that second overall pick.

956
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

957
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: Forty six, Antoine Winfield, junior highest paid defensive back Eward

958
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Forty five down six spots. Jamar Chase Ooh, he's clearly

959
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: the best receiver. Mentioned forty four to Mario Davis. He's

960
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: really good. But I mean a top forty four player

961
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: in the league. Is that's a little raise? Yeah, yeah,

962
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: that's a little much. He had a career best six

963
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: and a half sacks in each of the last two seasons,

964
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: and I understand their defense has been a little bit

965
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: differently and he's a great player. He is, but I

966
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: can't go that high with him. Forty three Kyle Hamilton.

967
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm fine with that. He might be safety one.

968
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean him and Winfield should probably be the top two,

969
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: and I think Lincoln belongs to that category.

970
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Two forty two Matthew Stafford, I think the best quarterback

971
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: in the NFC forty one Lane Johnson. Still.

972
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah at forty this is a pretty good area here. Yeah,

973
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: these guys are all studs.

974
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Down twenty seven spots DeVante Adams. I don't know that

975
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: it's his fault though, No, I don't know that either. Yeah.

976
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: At thirty nine, down thirty three spots, Joe Burrow.

977
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: Who I thought he might be two one instead of

978
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: Lamar injury. Yeah, you gotta do it.

979
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: At thirty eight, down fifteen spots, Sauce Gardner, I.

980
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Bet he's corner one. Certain has already been named.

981
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: At thirty seven Quinn and Williams.

982
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Straw the Stars and Draycunner.

983
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a problem with this on matt At

984
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: thirty six, up forty six spots to a Tago Vloah,

985
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: I have a huge problem.

986
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the system quarterback isn't a bad thing. I mean,

987
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: Joe Montana is a system quarterback, and I give Tua

988
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: and the system all the credit.

989
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: In the world. He's not better than Matthew Stafford. Come on, man, Yeah,

990
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: thirty five is josh heinz Allen.

991
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I bet that's the highest he ever goes though. Yeah,

992
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: and that's a high number.

993
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: And he'd really he had the same seventeen and a

994
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: half secks a Trey Henderson two in the league. Yeah,

995
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: they were tied for second at thirty four. Jordan love cool.

996
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: I'd so Stafford ahead of him, but he needs to

997
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: be in this neighborhood.

998
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty three, Poka Nakua.

999
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: He's up, Jamar Jay's no could he?

1000
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Could he be? Juju Smith Schuster could could last year

1001
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: have been the best that we've seen from him. It's

1002
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: possible we get a little ahead of our skis and

1003
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: his rookie year. He's got a cool name. It's you know,

1004
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: it's it's a great story. And I'm not saying he's

1005
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: not a good football player, right right. I would wish

1006
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: he was a Steeler, but the way they play the

1007
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: game does not lend itself to longevity.

1008
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: For one thing. Yeah, yeah, could be. That might be

1009
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: a good example, because I mean Juju at that same

1010
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: age would have been in this neighborhood.

1011
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: How about this one at thirty two Quincy Williams ahead

1012
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: of his brother. Now that's crazy. One benefits from the

1013
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: other a lot more. That's crazy. Uh. And at thirty

1014
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: one one Theron Bland. Oh, he should be in the

1015
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: top ten. You shouldn't be the top one hundred. No.

1016
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: No, that he's a guy you throw at.

1017
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Yes, why he has all these it's stupid, that's dumb.

1018
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: That might be the highest corner in the list. He

1019
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: might be all said and done. Yeah, it's over sauce. Yeah,

1020
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: the worse for teen, Come on, crazy, that's really bad.

1021
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: It's the worst one yet. At thirty thirty one spots

1022
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. Is he that much better than Ayuk?

1023
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering. Better better?

1024
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: Right, the guy who's been close and Chase is better

1025
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 3: than him too.

1026
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: Twenty nine Khalil Mack No, I.

1027
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: Mean really good year. Feasted on some terrible tackles of

1028
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: a couple of games.

1029
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: He had seventeen sacks for the year. I think he

1030
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: had eight of them against the Raiders. Yeah he did,

1031
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: he did two games and that's great.

1032
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: I mean, what would have had a bunch against him too,

1033
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: and we wouldn't be complaining. But he's not what he

1034
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: used to be.

1035
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Uh twenty eight brock Purdy. Oh wow, that's just too high.

1036
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have no problem being the list I'd

1037
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: have him over to be. Probably, he's not better than

1038
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford.

1039
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: No, you know, there is a tendency to look at

1040
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: him as a system guy.

1041
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: Because he is. But it took me a long time

1042
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: to give him any credit.

1043
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he makes some good throws. I mean he's so.

1044
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: Much more aggressive than Jimmy. Like Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy just took.

1045
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: What was there and you know, make coaches crazy. Right,

1046
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: he'll put up big numbers.

1047
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: When I say he made some good throws, I'm not

1048
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 4: trying to denegrate him. I'm just saying there are moments

1049
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 4: where I was like, well wait a minute now. Yeah,

1050
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 4: it's not just make dunk, right.

1051
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: He makes place.

1052
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I'm curious if they'll pay him to

1053
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: a like money. I think they will.

1054
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to. Yeah, I mean he makes

1055
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: under a million dollars a year.

1056
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're looking at best value in the NFL. Oh,

1057
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: he's got to be a.

1058
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: Way with twenty seven down twenty three spots, so he's

1059
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: number four last year. Nick Bosa, Okay, I still think

1060
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: he's in the elite room. But well, I mean twenty

1061
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: seventh in the league. Pretty Goodah, right, that's what I mean. Yeah.

1062
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Twenty six up twenty seven spots. Mike Evans, No, love him.

1063
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. That's just a little rich. He's not

1064
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: better than Chase. No, it's not better than I you know.

1065
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: Twenty five up eleven spots. Jalen Ramsey Again, I think

1066
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: the Dolph only the Dolphins vote at love here. Ramsey

1067
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't be ahead of No Sauce No. Twenty four up

1068
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: four spots. Dexter Lawrence. I'm fine with that. I mean

1069
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: he is a pass rushing nose tackle that is a monster.

1070
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: Is uh. Do you think Sauce is the best corner

1071
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 4: in the league.

1072
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Man, I think Sauce and Certained. I think Certains better.

1073
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: But right there, Yeah, okay.

1074
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: Certain follows more. Sauce is a left right guy, but

1075
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: that's not his fault.

1076
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: Twenty three up forty four spots. A Monross Saint Brown.

1077
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: I think he's great, but he might be closer to

1078
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: Puka than he is Jamar Chase. Yeah, I mean, which

1079
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: isn't a knock on him at all.

1080
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: He's great. He Chase is better, though, Chase is better.

1081
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: Twenty two Pine Seoul, I'm cool with that. Yeah, twenty

1082
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: one up one spot A J. Brown, I'm fine with

1083
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: that too.

1084
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: So when when Sewell was coming out and Chase was

1085
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: coming out, Yeah, but that, Yeah, I thought the Bengal

1086
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: should have taken Sewell and that looked silly when Sewell

1087
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: didn't have a great rookie year and Chase was incredible.

1088
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: And the answer was there's no wrong answer.

1089
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, no wrong. Yeah, at least I feel less foolish.

1090
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: But I thought that was a position the Bengals needed

1091
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 4: more to protect the quarterback.

1092
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: But if it.

1093
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: Wasn't the LSU, yeah, I bet they would have done that. Yeah,

1094
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: what's crazy about that evaluation? If people forget about because

1095
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: of the COVID year the tape we watched in College

1096
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: of Seoul and Chase they were eighteen years old.

1097
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Number two twenty is CJ. Stroud.

1098
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that now.

1099
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: I think that's deserved. Nineteen up five spots is Rokwan Smith.

1100
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: They got a lot of quarterbacks come in here.

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00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1102
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: At eighteen down sixteen spots, Justin Jefferson, Now this is

1103
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: the this is the player vote. Yeah, seventeen down eight spots,

1104
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. The fact that he fell doesn't mean you

1105
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: were bad or worse. I mean, this is a lead territory.

1106
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: Do you say the players are voting on this? This is

1107
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: the player vote? Okay?

1108
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: At sixteen up forty spots, Dak Prescott second, MVT voting.

1109
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still a little rich for me, but it's

1110
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 3: he's pretty good.

1111
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: At fifteen down twelve spots, Jalen Hurts, that's too high,

1112
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: too high. Yeah, I agree that one. I think he

1113
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: benefits from his surroundings a lot more than others. At

1114
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: fourteen up five spots, George Kittle, Yeah, that's worthy. Thirteen

1115
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: up twenty one spots, Ceede Lamb.

1116
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: Unbelievable year. Oh yeah, he's a whole passing game for

1117
00:51:59,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: the Cowboy.

1118
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. At twelve down four spots, Josh Allen, I mean.

1119
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 3: Again, we're the guys ahead of them, are all gonna

1120
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 3: be awesome?

1121
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1122
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. And at eleven up four spots, Fred.

1123
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: Warner, I would think Lamar and Mahomes with the other

1124
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: ones ahead of Allen. That's all said. You've already said Burrow, right, yeah, okay,

1125
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: and then who is eleven?

1126
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: Warner?

1127
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: Warner?

1128
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Yeah, so we'll hear the final ten.

1129
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: Kelsey's gonna be in the top ten probably, yeah, which

1130
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: I don't quite agree with.

1131
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: That means maybe Trent Williams. So was Trent Williams wasn't mentioned.

1132
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: We were talking about mgd's top ten. Does he know

1133
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: who they are?

1134
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's just who he voted for, because I

1135
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: don't think there was any overlap. There was not like

1136
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: the well, no, there were, there was. Josh Allen was

1137
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: in his top ten, he wasn't.

1138
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Oh okay, good, okay, I'm sure we can figure out

1139
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: who the ten are.

1140
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and TJ's gonna be one of them. TJ's gonna

1141
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: be one of them. Yeah, okay, So let's get to

1142
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williamson. That's Robert King and

1143
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

1144
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: live from Steelers train in camp at Saint Vincent College.

1145
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: That was the number nine or number one hundred through

1146
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: eleven of the NFL's top one hundred list. Uh, We're

1147
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We'll be back with more here

1148
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio right after this.

1149
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

1150
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

1151
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

1152
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly here with d

1153
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: Rob King and the Matt Williamson, and we are at

1154
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: Saint Vincent College here where the Steelers wrapped up their

1155
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: practice earlier today.

1156
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: And we saw this good practice. It was a good practice.

1157
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: Not in pads we did. We didn't mention the little

1158
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: second brawl. The they get bull spirited, spirited right right.

1159
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: It's hot. You know, I can't say I think that

1160
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: is a good thing. I like that to into it.

1161
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, you go after I can

1162
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: think of several occasions where I had altercations like that.

1163
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: It gets hot, you know in the booth with me

1164
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: after too, I mean too many hours.

1165
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, can we can we confess this?

1166
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: I'm just when I walked into the booth, Matt and

1167
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: Dale knocked me down.

1168
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: You know, just on you know, playing basketball, you just

1169
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, get that little edged Yeah, you know, I

1170
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: like to play with a bit of an edge.

1171
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me one bit. I mean, if I'm Tomlin,

1172
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: I like seeing that stuff. It means you care, you know.

1173
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw again the Steelers working on the the

1174
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: kickoff roles and things of that nature.

1175
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 4: Can I say one thing like coupled that coupled with

1176
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: the fact that, you know, when we're watching drills, like

1177
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: for example, the wide receivers and the defensive backs, when

1178
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: it's over, they're all patting each other on their head

1179
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: and hugging each other. They're talking to each other about

1180
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 4: you know, maybe somebody will say, hey, listen, you could

1181
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 4: have done this. And they're working with each other, with

1182
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: each other a little bit like if you didn't have that,

1183
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: if it was in us and them. And I think

1184
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 4: sometimes in football some times that's fostered or maybe in

1185
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: the past it's offense versus defense.

1186
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: But I've seen I've definitely seen that before.

1187
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's I just think this is

1188
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 4: it's just heated. It's hot, you know. And the other

1189
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: thing is too, is that when you're not and we

1190
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: saw one yesterday in pads, but there are drills in

1191
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: which you're not supposed to tackle a quarterback or whatever. Well,

1192
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 4: when you're in this, when you're in you know, light

1193
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: bulb which whatever, whatever, you know you call them with

1194
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: the shoulder pads and the helmets. You know, like what's

1195
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: too much? What's enough?

1196
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: You know, some guys have never practiced the NFL level too,

1197
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: and they're trying to make a name for himself.

1198
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 4: Sure, and then it's like three quarter football, Well what

1199
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 4: if it's you know, what if what if you're playing

1200
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: three quarter football and the guy across from he's paying

1201
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 4: eighty two percent football right now, what do you think

1202
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 4: you're doing? Hang on a second there, you know, what's

1203
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 4: that extra shove or whatever?

1204
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: So and some guys just get they have that one

1205
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: speed that they go out all the time, and you

1206
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: know that's.

1207
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: And then I saw the opposite yours with the Browns.

1208
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: We were really terrible.

1209
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: And again this was Ben's rookie year and our best matchup,

1210
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: you know, like Porter versus Pickens or you know, our

1211
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 3: best matchup was our left tackle, Ross Verba against Courtney

1212
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: Brown and they were considered leaders and they were our

1213
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 3: best players.

1214
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Again, we were a terrible.

1215
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 3: Team and they went like twenty percent. They played patty

1216
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: Cake and everyone just watched him, like, I guess that's

1217
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: what we do.

1218
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Run here.

1219
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: Nobody got better, right, you know what I mean? Like

1220
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: that's a terrible you know, maybe you don't have to

1221
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: beat the crap out of each other, but you can't

1222
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: just dance around and go through the motions either, you know.

1223
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: As leaders or potential leaders.

1224
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 4: Right.

1225
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: But I also give coach Tom the credit to a

1226
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: lot of teams over the last three or four years.

1227
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: If if a lot of teams in the NFL were

1228
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: as strong on one side of the ball as supposed

1229
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, that's carrying the team, you can have a

1230
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: mutiny pretty easy.

1231
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: I've you know, I you know, went back in you know,

1232
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: like ninety three when the defense was carrying the team

1233
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: and there was a definite, you know, separation there between

1234
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: the two sides that get us a first down.

1235
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a separator and exactly another three and

1236
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: out right. Yeah.

1237
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned, we saw them work on the

1238
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: kickoff role today and Matt Bowen has put together here

1239
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: some trends to watch. Five trends to watch in twenty

1240
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: twenty four here for the NFL. And let's see if

1241
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: we agree with these.

1242
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I read it this morning. Yeah, I think Bowen

1243
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: does really good work, but I also think some of

1244
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: these numbers aren't up his alley.

1245
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he expects you to be an increase in press

1246
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: coverage to limit the quick passing game. Now, the Steelers

1247
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: play more press coverage than most already, and that does

1248
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: take away some of that quick game, but it also

1249
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: makes you a little more susceptible, perhaps to stuff down

1250
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: the field.

1251
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: So just so our listeners know, there's a misconception of

1252
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: how much man coverage is actually played in the league.

1253
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: And it's also not easy to tell because zones can

1254
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: turn in demand, two second.

1255
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Matchup zones and things of that nature.

1256
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, press man's pretty obvious, but it is a rule

1257
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: of thumb. Sixty six percent of the defenses in the

1258
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: league plays sixty six percent of zone or more, you know,

1259
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: I mean, so it's almost all zone. And I read

1260
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: this and I'm not giving bow In a hard time

1261
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: and stats and analytics for ESPN or backing this up

1262
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 3: and giving him the numbers. But he states man coverage

1263
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 3: isn't as productive an offense as zone, so he thinks

1264
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: there's going to be more and he's not wrong. But

1265
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: man comes out in third and one in goal line,

1266
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, like you're not going to have an eight

1267
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: R bomb if it's third and five from the five,

1268
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's a lot more

1269
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: situational where it's going to be harder to produce big yardage.

1270
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 3: But everyone wants to play man.

1271
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: They want to, they just may out the capability. Man

1272
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: coverage are a lot harder.

1273
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: Corners are a lot hard to find, and I always

1274
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: talk about the discrepancy of D line is better than

1275
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: O line in the league right now. The next biggest

1276
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: one to me is receivers are better than corners. I mean,

1277
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: how many receivers are we still about in the top

1278
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: one hundred compared to three corners and Bland shouldn't be

1279
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 3: anywhere closer.

1280
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: There, you know what I mean. And there were really

1281
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: good receivers not on the list. It blend's a little Bland. Yeah.

1282
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: I also think that there are teams that are harder

1283
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 4: to play man against. Like I think it would be

1284
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: really hard to play man against the Dolphins. You have

1285
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 4: two elite cover corners that can cover those.

1286
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: And beyond that, you don't want to play a lot

1287
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: of man against the Ravens necessarily, because you don't want

1288
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: to try your cornerback with their backs turned to Lamar.

1289
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: That's what I say.

1290
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: It's a huge I mean, there's so many more running

1291
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: quarterbacks now than there was in mel Blunt Stay, yeah,

1292
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I mean he turned your

1293
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: back to those guys. Even the Aaron.

1294
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: Rodgers of the world torture you.

1295
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson and the one thing that he'll get through

1296
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: just to pull back the curtain on this article more

1297
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: motion that I agree with a hundre percent, because that's

1298
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 3: part of the reason is Miami's like the best team

1299
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: in the league at using motion. You don't get a

1300
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: chance to press Tyreek and Waddell because they're running a.

1301
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Four too across the line of scrimmage before the balls.

1302
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Even so, we didn't get to talk about this yesterday,

1303
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: but I noticed on play Pickens in motion at the snap,

1304
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: running behind a line of scrimmage and immediately they come

1305
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: up and throw him the ball in that motion play

1306
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: and he's, you know, running down the field because he's

1307
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: got obviously nobody in front. You know, they'll get blockers

1308
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: in front of him. And now you've got that. But

1309
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to set up with those kind

1310
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: of things. And it's interesting.

1311
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: And brought him up because there was a study done

1312
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: just a week or two ago that I dug into

1313
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: about you know, motion and and and it's so much

1314
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: longer conversation we have time for. And I think he

1315
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: even brought it up. But Pickens was one of the

1316
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: top receivers in the league being more productive in motion

1317
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: versus being static. I mean, the difference was massive.

1318
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the other thing that comes at it, and

1319
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 4: by the way, I love the fact that they're lining

1320
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: up Pickings in the slot and they're moving them around

1321
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: and he's you know, they're going to find ways to

1322
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: try to get him the ball. But the other thing

1323
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 4: is too that motion does is it allows the quarterback

1324
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: to read the defense. So if everybody just kind of

1325
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: you know, you see it on TV, like somebody will

1326
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 4: run across.

1327
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: With the play by play man they read the defense, well.

1328
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: Well that's nice, Uh, that's Wolf's shop. But but if

1329
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: you if you're you know, if you see somebody running

1330
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: across the formation pickings, well you're probably in man. If

1331
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: you see everybody kind of shifting around in a shell,

1332
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 4: you know, now you know, Pickens moves from his left

1333
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: to his right. That corner now drops back. We'll guess

1334
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: what he's probably dropping back in a cover two or

1335
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: cover three. And so now Russell Wilson can say, okay,

1336
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 4: well they're in zone. And by the way, the receivers

1337
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: who have to change their patterns on a lot of

1338
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 4: plays based upon the coverage, they see what it is too.

1339
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 4: So there's there's there's benefits other than just running guys open.

1340
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: It's it's also being able to read the defense.

1341
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: That's also why you see spend those matchup zone concept

1342
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: as well.

1343
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: The defense is showing you one thing but doing others

1344
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: once in a while on that row and you'll see

1345
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: it like for sure a little bit now, yeah, like

1346
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna for sure, like we're running with him still

1347
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: as an indicator, and then we're gonna switch to the

1348
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: zone four.

1349
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: But it's hard to for sure, and you can blow

1350
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: the coverage pretty easy that way. Yes, And then that's

1351
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: one of the things already Burns struggled with when he

1352
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: was here, It is that the Steelers did do a

1353
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: lot of matchup zones in that time and oftentimes everybody

1354
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: else is playing zone and Artie's a man. Well that

1355
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work, or what everybody else was in man and

1356
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: ARTI's in zone that doesn't work either, right.

1357
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 4: And and it's difficult. And again we're talking about and

1358
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right, Matt, like obviously the defense is trying

1359
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: to disguise what they're doing. That's you know, one of

1360
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 4: the reasons that Peyton Manning, for example, would always take

1361
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: the play clock down to one second because I remember

1362
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: watching right with the Lake, So you know you're talking

1363
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 4: Tounch was saying, you know, there's usually at least one

1364
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: guy who, if you're disguising, will get antsy and we'll

1365
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: give it away. Yeah, he'll start into his back pedal

1366
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: with two on the play clock because he knows he's

1367
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: got to get back and cover Reggie Wayne or whatever.

1368
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: And so then then there's your read. So a lot

1369
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 4: of stuff happened.

1370
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: Now you're eleven best friends, your most important secret. One

1371
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: of them is gonna.

1372
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 4: Leak it, right, that's exactly You probably know which one

1373
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 4: that's exactly right. They know which one.

1374
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: Banning those which one?

1375
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 4: Right?

1376
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you just wait, Okay, that's it. I

1377
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: know that if they're in this, that safety's got to

1378
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: get back fifteen yards from where he's at now. He

1379
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: sits in the shotgun, give three dummy calls, and you

1380
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: know it's gonna have.

1381
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: Vin ray Lewis are barking to each other over the

1382
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: line and they figure out each other, you know.

1383
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then the other thing that he expects to see

1384
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: more four strong flood concepts to counter two high coverages.

1385
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is kind of nerdy, but I mean

1386
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: what he's saying why flood coverage or flood concepts are

1387
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 3: in his talk in his terminology here is four routes

1388
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: all to the same side of the field, and just

1389
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: read it out with basically making three defenders have four

1390
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: areas of the field.

1391
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: Either the right or left. It's probably right. It's much

1392
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: like the triangle offense in basketball. Okay, you're bringing one

1393
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: more guy into that than what they can guard.

1394
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 4: Right, If you're the corner on the left side of

1395
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 4: the field and they're running over the right side of

1396
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 4: the field, you're not sprinting over to.

1397
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: Be there's coverage. You're part of that zone. You're same

1398
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 1: with the safety on that side.

1399
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like the may Tag repair man. You're you're

1400
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: waiting for something to come here.

1401
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: Because as soon as you do run to that side

1402
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: of the field. Now they're leaking somebody else out there,

1403
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, out of the backfield to come over to

1404
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: occupy your zone, and all of a sudden you leave

1405
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: him by himself and you see somebody running down a

1406
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: sideline laying on kick coverage.

1407
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's all about putting one defender in conflict.

1408
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: Like I have to make a choice here. Neither one's

1409
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: really right. Yeah, in the quarterback.

1410
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: Either one's really wrong either, right, right, But somebody's going

1411
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: to be open because you're overloading the zone. You get schemed.

1412
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that sounds like like the Thursday four to

1413
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 4: thirty movie Defender in Conflict. Fender's a great title Defender

1414
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 4: in Conflict.

1415
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: I like it, you should use it. As you mentioned, Matt,

1416
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: he expects more continued expansion of pre snap movement and

1417
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: exit motion, and we've seen more of that here.

1418
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 3: When he says exit motion, again, not all motions the same,

1419
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: but exit motion is like breaking out away from the ball,

1420
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: away from the formation that snap. You know, I think

1421
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill jogging or even sprinting across the formation. Ball

1422
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: snapped and he's running a quick out like it's almost

1423
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 3: impossible to cover.

1424
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing you can do about he's going to

1425
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: get the football and how much ground can he cover

1426
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: before you get him on the ground? Yeah, exactly, that's

1427
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: the that's the key. Yeah.

1428
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: But you're going to definitely see more motion he did

1429
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: last year. I mean, not to get too much detail,

1430
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 3: but there was a lot of motion in the first

1431
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: half of the season collectively in the season, noticeably more

1432
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: in the second half of the season, noticeably more in

1433
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: the playoffs. You know, like it's a trend that's sweeping,

1434
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 3: you know.

1435
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, he said, a spike in middle of the field,

1436
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: open closed, disguised coverages, real quick.

1437
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith was also very high in motion. Yeah in Atlanta,

1438
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, what.

1439
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: Was that last one? I was spent a spike in

1440
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: middle of the field, open slash, closed disguised coverages. Oh.

1441
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: When I read that, I really thought about the Steelers

1442
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: big nickel.

1443
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like.

1444
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: Like Tom Bradley will call it rocking and rolling, you know,

1445
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: where they're changing their safeties at the at the snap.

1446
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: You know, is he going to be the strong, is

1447
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: he going to be the free But if you got

1448
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 3: three guys that can all be the single high or

1449
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: the too high or the slot. You can do a

1450
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 3: lot of stuff at the snap or before you.

1451
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: Know, and really go back to that disguised thing. Who's

1452
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: who okay, who's in the slot, Who's who's deep, Who's

1453
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: who's the robber in this situation? Those kind of things,

1454
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: And when you break the huddle you don't know.

1455
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean, by the time you snap the ball as

1456
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: a quarterback, you have a good idea. But still we've

1457
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: seen menca many times at the snap. He you know,

1458
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: Troy Paul Maul is the best example.

1459
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 4: Let's talk. Let's talk an explanation of open, closed, disguised coverage.

1460
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: Open and closed is real easy. The middle of the field.

1461
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 3: If if you're if the ball would happen to be

1462
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: at midfield and you're looking straight down the middle of

1463
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: the field, if there's not a safety in the middle,

1464
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 3: it's open. So like too high is considered open.

1465
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1466
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: Closed is like a single high or a cover three okay, yeah,

1467
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: And a lot of ral.

1468
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: Con that the Steelers play with MinC in the middle

1469
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: of the field.

1470
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 4: So they're saying disguising that so rolling from cover two

1471
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: to cover three or from cover three down to cover two.

1472
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: Like for example, I'm sure the Chiefs call a play

1473
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: and Kelsey knows I run this route verse open. I

1474
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: run this route verse closed, And of course him and

1475
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: mahomes on the same page and they know it. But

1476
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 3: if it changes two SNePS into his route right now,

1477
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: you now they have to read it better.

1478
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have to read it quicker, you know

1479
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, he just caused a little bit

1480
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: of reactionaries. You know, play slows down just a little bit.

1481
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that allows your pass rush to get.

1482
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 4: Home right, and you need to be able to see that.

1483
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 4: Going back to our conversation earlier, exactly, so you know

1484
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 4: what might be a seam route for a receiver running

1485
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 4: down the middle of the field, he has to bend

1486
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 4: towards the middle of the field in order to get open.

1487
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 4: Because again, you thought you saw one thing at the

1488
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 4: snap and it changed after the snap.

1489
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: Like Brady Welker, Edelman made a living on option route.

1490
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: The option. What's what they mean is you have two options.

1491
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: If the linebacker's here, if he's playing inside leverage, you

1492
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: cut out.

1493
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: If the safety's playing outside leverage, you cut it.

1494
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: But they both have to read the same thing. And

1495
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: that's where one.

1496
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 3: Point secs without getting the ball bat it down and

1497
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: hit the face, you know, right, the last thing.

1498
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: It's almost undefensible. And this is something that we may

1499
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: see less of with the Steelers this year. More eleven

1500
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: personnel run well, we might see more of it. More

1501
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: eleven personnel run concepts to attack nickel packages.

1502
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 3: What I've thought about with the Steelers there is We're

1503
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: gonna see more nickel from the Steelers. Finally, I mean,

1504
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: I think that's definitely going to happen.

1505
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: This is another one.

1506
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 3: I didn't like the numbers because the runs out of

1507
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: eleven were higher, but that's also third and eight handed

1508
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 3: the warrant he picks up six or you know.

1509
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: What I mean, like or scramble that things, which is

1510
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: some of you know when people talk about and look,

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Speaker 1: I love Jayalen Warren as much as everybody, sure, but

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Speaker 1: when you talk about, well, he averaged four point eight

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Speaker 1: yards of carryon nausee, he averaged four point one. He

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Speaker 1: also wasn't running on fourth and one. He's running. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting the goal line, yeah, which hurts you.

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Speaker 1: But he is running the ball on at third and

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Speaker 1: thirteen and maybe he gets ten yards there, but the

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Speaker 1: defense is perfectly happy to give up ten yards exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that money showed us the teams

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Speaker 3: are going to run the ball versus lighter boxing. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: whether that's twelve personnel, eleven personnel, whatever.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: The one thing he states in there that I think

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Speaker 3: is interesting that our listeners might not know, though, is

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Speaker 3: the percentage of nickel being played in the league. It's

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Speaker 3: a really high percentage. And the Steelers have at the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the league in that for like four years

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Speaker 3: in a row, which has made.

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Speaker 1: My brain because well, they just didn't have a linebacker.

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Speaker 4: So and when we talk about run personnel, a run

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Speaker 4: versus with eleven versus the nickel, would you be more

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Speaker 4: apt in the past to run against dime out of

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Speaker 4: eleven personnel? Are you saying that nickel constitutes a light

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Speaker 4: box and you should be able to run with that

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Speaker 4: even though you.

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Speaker 1: Have to Something that skewed though as well, because there

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Speaker 1: were times when the Steelers were basically playing a nickel.

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Speaker 1: But you have Marcus Allen as yours, your second linebacker,

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Speaker 1: which they were calling them a linebacker when we look

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Speaker 1: at it on for whatever site is tracking that stuff,

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Speaker 1: they're counting, they're counting Marcus Allen as a safety because

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Speaker 1: of the program. He didn't ask his name.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying that to combat the usage of nickel

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Speaker 4: and teams trying to match up to your three wide receivers, Yeah,

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01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 4: you need to find ways to run the ball against

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Speaker 4: that love.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well that's the beauty of the McCaffrey's and

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01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: the kittles because you can't really name them instincts put

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 3: them out wide and positionless footballs more relevant.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think it would be interesting too

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 4: to like, you know, if we if we see the Steelers,

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,919
Speaker 4: you know, going out with so you know, Pat fryermanth

1553
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 4: is split out and Hayward is split out.

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Speaker 1: Hayward's one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: And now you bring him in prior to the snap,

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,919
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, you're in heavy personnel,

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 4: right right, So.

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Speaker 1: We saw them do that in seven Shots the other day.

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: They open up, they've got everybody split out wide, including Nause.

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: Harris is out wide on the outside, and then Fields

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Speaker 1: calls them all in and then all of a sudden,

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: now you've got a tight package. Pickens is the only

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Speaker 1: receiver on the outside, and you throw the fade.

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Speaker 4: To them, right. So you're saying eleven personnel, but if

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 4: you have versatile players like Haywards or like a Fiarmuth,

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01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 4: you could split out a little bit. And you know

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 4: that clouds in.

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Speaker 1: The technically that was thirteen personnel. But if you're the

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: defense and you see those guys all spread, you know,

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: what are you doing against that? And you and it's

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: a third you know, it's just it's a it's a

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: goal line situation, right, So think about practice.

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Speaker 3: During the week, the defensive coordinator watches all this tape

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,839
Speaker 3: of your opponent and they basically teach all these players.

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 3: When these five guys are out there, these are the

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 3: defense we're gonna play. When these five guys are out there,

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: this is a defense we're gonna play. They could call

1578
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: it whatever you want. I mean some people used to

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: even dislabel it kings Queen's, you know whatever, as opposed

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: to eleven personnel twelve personnel, which is what the Steelers do.

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Speaker 3: But then that's why team script plays, you know, like

1582
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: if I script plays and I throw, like Sean Payton

1583
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 3: was really good at this. He'd throw a lot of

1584
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 3: different personnel groupings and formations out there, and he learned

1585
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 3: all their checks even if he wasn't gaining yardage, Like

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: I know, when I throw this group out there, I'm

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01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 3: gonna get dime and I'm running all day on that.

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, it might take me a quarter to figure

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 4: Well. One of the things that I thought was great

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: that Arthur Smith said after practice today, and again you

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 4: would think this would be relatively basic, but it's it's

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01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 4: nice to hear the words set out loud that no

1594
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: matter what personnel you have, you can't run the same

1595
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 4: plays out of that you have to have you know.

1596
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: So if you're running so that look we were talking

1597
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 4: about there where you spread out the tight ends and

1598
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 4: you bring him back in and you have nade, Well,

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Speaker 4: you can't do that every time. You have to be

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Speaker 4: able to throw out of that formation. You have to

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 4: be able to do different things out of those formations. Otherwise,

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01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 4: you know, you can put all the personnel out you

1603
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 4: want and the defense is going to know exactly what

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Speaker 4: you're doing.

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Speaker 3: So here's a good example too, Like we were talking earlier,

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Speaker 3: wh's a better football player Kittle or Kelsey most defenses

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Speaker 3: against the Chiefs. Just we're gonna call him a wide receiver. Yeah,

1608
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 3: and we're just gonna flat out count him as a

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Speaker 3: wide receiver. If you do that against Kittle, you're gonna

1610
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: get killed, you know, because he's gonna block you into

1611
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: next week and you're gonna be a light and you're

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 3: gonna be a dime or you're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be and they have you check out there right right.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to count him as a true

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Speaker 3: tight end. That's hard. I mean, like Gronkowski, that's why

1616
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: I think he's the best ever is there was no

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Speaker 3: answer for him. I mean you have to chot him

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Speaker 3: as a tight end. But he averaged like eighteen yards

1619
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: catch and he was the best blocker or out there,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like those guys are there's

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Speaker 3: no answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you love to have those kind of Again,

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Speaker 1: the versatile, the guys who are who can play that

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Speaker 1: positionless football are key in here.

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Speaker 3: Here's the last example that's like the polar opposite of

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Speaker 3: your Marcus Allen conversation. So last year Arthur Smith with

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Speaker 3: the Falcons played the least eleven personnel times a million

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 3: become the thirty two teams. He was the heaviest tight

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 3: end usage team in the league.

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: However, he used Kyle Pitts.

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 3: Like like George Pickens. There was a te next to

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Speaker 3: his name, but he would detach. He was always outside

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: the numbers, running down the field routes. But they in

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Speaker 3: the program called him a tight end, right, you know,

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 3: so what do you how do you really positionless? Position exactly?

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Speaker 1: Vincent College where the Steelers just wrapped up their practice

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier today. Tomorrow night's Friday, and antlights

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Speaker 1: guys say they will be had the Friday afternoon off

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: and be over at the latrob Memorial Stadium tomorrow. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can get tickets for that over there, and I'll

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Speaker 1: sign all the autographs and all that good stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it should be a great night as it always is.

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Speaker 1: But former partners, Rob King, good Matt Williamson. You're not

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Speaker 1: joy tomorrow, right, Bro?

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Speaker 4: I will not be here enjoy though we will. We

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Speaker 4: will do so, looking forward to listening.

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Speaker 1: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation.

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