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Speaker 1: In here right. It feels like a victory Tuesday, but
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Speaker 2: We missed last week. I hope you guys enjoyed a
Speaker 2: week off from the show. Specifically, Patrick's been working.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you've been doing. Where What did
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Speaker 3: You want to know why it's a victory Tuesday. It's
Speaker 3: a victory Tuesday because the Seattle Racks Dallas Stars are
Speaker 3: tied up to the two.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to watching that.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in the second
Speaker 3: round because it should your team make it to the
Speaker 3: second round, and should my team make it to the
Speaker 3: second round. Then both our teams collide in the second round,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna find a way to be at the
Speaker 3: game here in Dallas. If the seattle cracking in dallastars
Speaker 3: want to lose in person, I expect, you know what
Speaker 3: I represent, maybe win or lose. I'm just gonna wrap
Speaker 3: my out team or lose or lose, especially folks, definitely live,
Speaker 3: definitely as long as that put drop, there's a chance
Speaker 3: that we might win. Hashtag Texas Hockey. It's why they
Speaker 3: play the game. That's right there. We go play because
Speaker 3: what both our cities are in the game. All right,
Speaker 3: they're both in the tournament. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: both tied up. Y'all got a chance for redemption tonight.
Speaker 1: I think we if that happens, Jersey bet. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think there needs to be a bet somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: I think there needs to be something. Maybe we'll all
Speaker 2: go to the game together. I go to the car
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will absolutely love to go through the Kraken
Speaker 3: to on the path to Hoiston.
Speaker 1: I hope Lord Stanley's I hope we both make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if that happens, it's turning into talking hockey
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, Yeah, we talk Yeah, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there is a draft. There's a draft. So
Speaker 1: that's the big thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, we go in the news and notes, and
Speaker 2: I mean all of the news and pretty much all
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Notes have to do with the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Now, there are a couple of sprinkled things in there,
Speaker 2: but of course we had the Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy press conference, the pre draft presser yesterday.
Speaker 1: A couple of nuggets came out of that.
Speaker 2: Patrick something to look at whenever you're going into draft
Speaker 2: prep this weekend.
Speaker 3: Indeed, and the thing to realize or remember is you
Speaker 3: heard this first on Talking Cowboys that we three anticipate
Speaker 3: that the Cowboys would be interested in potentially trading down
Speaker 3: out of number twenty six, and Jerry Jones all but
Speaker 3: confirmed that those discussions have begun in the front office,
Speaker 3: and Stephen Jones chimes in and says, hey, don't rule
Speaker 3: out potentially moving up, but it felt as if there
Speaker 3: would have to be a particular player in mind to
Speaker 3: move up, and we know who that player would be.
Speaker 3: It will probably be b John Robinson, now there are
Speaker 3: some others. There are a couple others that are theah,
Speaker 3: the couple other names that if they came close to
Speaker 3: twenty six, Cowboys probably wouldn't risk waiting until they got
Speaker 3: to twenty six to see if they were there.
Speaker 1: So they probably jump a couple of spots.
Speaker 3: But obviously the headline name everybody wants to know about
Speaker 3: is b Jeon Robinson. But I think that again, I
Speaker 3: think b Jhon Robinson is going top ten, most definitely
Speaker 3: top fifteen. Stranger things have happened, Hello, Sadarian Lamb. That said,
Speaker 3: if the odds go as they should, which is Bjon
Speaker 3: is gone, Cowboys could potentially move down get another pick.
Speaker 1: In Cayle, you've done all of the homework.
Speaker 3: You know this is a draft where you would love
Speaker 3: to have an additional pick, no doubt, because it's so thick.
Speaker 1: It's so thicky for.
Speaker 3: Round two to let through round five as far as
Speaker 3: what you can get, So the Cowboys. That's going to
Speaker 3: be the headliner from the biggest takeaway from yesterday's press
Speaker 3: conference is that the Cowboys are open to moving down,
Speaker 3: which is more likely than moving up, but they haven't
Speaker 3: ruled out potentially moving up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they are stuck at twenty six.
Speaker 2: It is the biggest thing out of yesterday's press conference
Speaker 2: because it was early and it was often throughout the
Speaker 2: presser that they talked about the movement potential, whether that
Speaker 2: go down, stack up a couple picks, or use a
Speaker 2: couple picks and go up and get a guy that
Speaker 2: you were really really confident in. I think you need
Speaker 2: to add Darnell Right, the offensive tackle offensive guardflex from Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I think he would be a trade up target if
Speaker 2: they decided to maybe move up into the late teens,
Speaker 2: he would probably be there too, along with Bijan and
Speaker 2: uh That that's something to keep an eye on moving
Speaker 2: into the weekend. I thought some of the non draft
Speaker 2: storylines were kind of interesting as well, because Josh Baul
Speaker 2: kind of came up in the.
Speaker 1: Middle of this one. Josha in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: He started taking some some off season work at left guard,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys are interested to see what they can
Speaker 3: potentially get from him in that position, but they haven't
Speaker 3: completely assigned him to that full time. It's more of
Speaker 3: a flex role that they're basically filling it out. It's
Speaker 3: not a as much of a direct transfer as like
Speaker 3: Isaac Alocoon would be a direct transfer to the opposite
Speaker 3: side of the ball, and he's going to be full
Speaker 3: time defensive line. But Josh Ball, from my money, didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily quit himself well when given the opportunity last season,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys are now looking at that and saying, okay,
Speaker 3: well we need some help on the interior.
Speaker 1: What can you do?
Speaker 3: But and I tweeted this yesterday, that doesn't preclude them
Speaker 3: from getting a Tier one guy at left guard if
Speaker 3: one false to them. So if you're talking about whether
Speaker 3: it be you know right or Cyrus Torrance, or if
Speaker 3: it's you know, a V out of TCU, if one
Speaker 3: of those guys are available at twenty six, it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter if Josh Ball is taking who reps at left guarded,
Speaker 3: They're going to grab one of those guys. They also
Speaker 3: made three transactions on yesterday, and I know some people
Speaker 3: are wondering if they kind of hints at what direction
Speaker 3: they're going. I don't know that it necessarily does, but
Speaker 3: maybe it necessarily does not. So they moved on from
Speaker 3: Ian Bunting the tight end. They moved on from Davonte
Speaker 3: Bond at linebacker, and they moved on from Isaac Taylor
Speaker 3: Stewart the defensive back. All three released with failed physical designations.
Speaker 3: So I know some are seeing that the decision to
Speaker 3: wave Bunting and they're saying, oh, well, it's definitely going
Speaker 3: to be tied in. Not necessarily. I don't think that
Speaker 3: decision is because you couldn't really factor Bunting into the
Speaker 3: equation anyway.
Speaker 2: Now, nothing against Ian Bunting, Isaac Taylor Stewart, and Davonte Bond,
Speaker 2: but those aren't necessarily needle movers in each of those positions.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say this when it comes to Devonte Bond,
Speaker 3: when we were having the linebacker conversation, and we said,
Speaker 3: you know what you get from LVE, and you know
Speaker 3: what you're probably about to get from the Moon Clark,
Speaker 3: which could be a breakout season as early as year
Speaker 3: two would be great, But behind the Moon Clark, you
Speaker 3: have no clue what you're getting. And that was already
Speaker 3: a group behind Clark and LVE that were basically just
Speaker 3: practice squad guys hoping to get some actual reps. And
Speaker 3: now you just lost one of your practice squad guys,
Speaker 3: so you need that much more help at linebacker, not
Speaker 3: saying that means you go linebacker in round one, But
Speaker 3: it does mean that you're going to draft yourself a linebacker.
Speaker 2: Because of that, Isaiah, I mean the year, the year one,
Speaker 2: the year two jump has been talked about quite often
Speaker 2: since Mike McCarthy got here in Dallas, because he.
Speaker 1: Even said it yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yours, two, three, and four are the crucial components of
Speaker 2: your football team to where you grow, he said yesterday.
Speaker 2: You don't grow as much through the draft. You grow
Speaker 2: through the guys that are already here. And they're bringing
Speaker 2: back a couple guys at linebacker. But how imperative is
Speaker 2: it to have those those guys like a Damone Clark
Speaker 2: step up and fill that hole and then supplement that
Speaker 2: and sprinkle in some talent from the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do a little little Salt Bay.
Speaker 3: You gotta sprinkle a little extra in there, little e
Speaker 3: forty sprinkle me sprinkle So for some of y'all West Christis.
Speaker 1: Man, you need those guys to step up and play it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me where to go. You need to go
Speaker 3: get a linebacker. That's where you need to go. Get
Speaker 3: a linebacker, because even though you know what you're gonna
Speaker 3: get out of Vanderresher, Damon Clark, Michael Parsons would drop
Speaker 3: back there occasionally, but we know that's not his living quarters. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's his second residence at this point, So you need
Speaker 3: to be able to go get a guy who lives there.
Speaker 3: You need a guy who can make an impact. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the draft will will show us what is available there.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that they can go get a guy, hopefully
Speaker 3: around the third round or so, that can fulfill that role.
Speaker 3: If they can't, there are still guys sitting at the
Speaker 3: crib that are available as well. So and let's not
Speaker 3: forget that just because you're drafting rookies doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: guys are not on the trading block. So there's plenty
Speaker 3: of opportunity within these this coming weekend to fulfill majority
Speaker 3: of the roles that need to be touched on at
Speaker 3: that linebacker position. And that's something Stephen Jones touched on
Speaker 3: yesterday and the press conference is that keep in mind
Speaker 3: there's still work that gets done after the draft, So
Speaker 3: you want to stay true to your board and try
Speaker 3: to get the best draft class possible, But coming out
Speaker 3: of draft weekend, that doesn't mean the work is done.
Speaker 3: Look at Jonathan Hankins, you didn't get him until October,
Speaker 3: all right. Look at Anthony Barr, you didn't get him
Speaker 3: until a training cap. So they're contributors and what we
Speaker 3: like to call him mercenaries. They are mercenaries who are
Speaker 3: still going to be out there after the draft. And
Speaker 3: those mercenaries, a lot of them, especially when you're talking
Speaker 3: about the higher profile ones that remain in free agency
Speaker 3: right now, they're sitting back and on purpose, they're waiting
Speaker 3: to see what teams still have a particular need, like
Speaker 3: at linebacker for example, before they choose who to sign with,
Speaker 3: because that dictates the value and the market and what
Speaker 3: kind of bag they can get. So there's still some
Speaker 3: chest to be played after this weekend. But it'll be
Speaker 3: fun to watch what the Cowboys do come Thursday, Friday
Speaker 3: than Saturday, but also Sunday, which is undrafted free agency.
Speaker 3: They always have started to do very well in that
Speaker 3: capacity as well.
Speaker 1: Hillo Peyton Hindershot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one thing that I think the Cowboys
Speaker 2: have had an advantage on the rest of the league
Speaker 2: is that Will McClay does not stop at pick two
Speaker 2: fifty nine. He stops at player four hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: I mean he does everything he can to bring in
Speaker 2: the best talent. I mean a couple of the guys
Speaker 2: that you just mentioned that were released have been on
Speaker 2: the roster the last couple of years, and we're all
Speaker 2: three of those undrafted free agents, so they've I mean
Speaker 2: Terrence Steele, you could.
Speaker 1: Throw him into the conversation as an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 4: They have hit that that pool of players very well
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years, and in doing so,
Speaker 4: it's built some of the talent and filled in some
Speaker 4: of those holes.
Speaker 1: But what is a position Dallas cannot.
Speaker 4: Afford to leave the draft without what what would be
Speaker 4: your position overall?
Speaker 2: I want to say, we've already talked about this specifically,
Speaker 2: but let's go ahead and hit it again.
Speaker 1: Those might have missed it.
Speaker 3: Let's go down the line. You have to get offensive guard,
Speaker 3: got it. You have to get a linebacker. You have
Speaker 3: to get a tight end who has the capability of blocking. Okay,
Speaker 3: you have to get a Yeah, you have to get
Speaker 3: an interior defensive lineman. Right, and I feel like you
Speaker 3: have to get another cornerback. Okay, Okay, explain Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about the cornerback thing.
Speaker 1: So expound on the cornerback things.
Speaker 3: The cornerbacks that you have drafted of late have not
Speaker 3: made the contributions that you were hoping. You can say
Speaker 3: the name, yeah, yeah, Kelvin Joseph has I am not
Speaker 3: on the team of retaining Kelvin Joseph. Okay, I haven't been.
Speaker 3: I mean no disrespect to images from what I've seen
Speaker 3: on the field. It's just what I've seen on film watch, Okay,
Speaker 3: what I've seen on film and things outside of that
Speaker 3: as well. I don't see the value there aside from
Speaker 3: the fact that you drafted him high. It's probably the
Speaker 3: reason why I'm not a general manager is because I
Speaker 3: will cut bait in a heartbeat, Okay, once I realized
Speaker 3: that it's not a fit. So I think that they
Speaker 3: need to go another direct in that regard or or
Speaker 3: and find somebody who's going to be able to provide
Speaker 3: adequate value for that that type of draft pick or
Speaker 3: just that position alone. You don't get a lot of
Speaker 3: guys at every position, and that's what that's what people
Speaker 3: have to understand. You don't just get a plethora of
Speaker 3: guys right at the cornerback position. You're gonna rock with
Speaker 3: six guys right you're gonna rock with you know, for
Speaker 3: four safeties. Okay, you're that's that's that's a fifth of
Speaker 3: your team, damn near you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 3: almost a fifth of your team already. Right now you're
Speaker 3: talking about office on line. So you got to understand
Speaker 3: that every guy who's on your roster at that any
Speaker 3: particular position has to be able to fulfill their role.
Speaker 3: And some guys you have the you have the pleasure
Speaker 3: and the ability to be able to sit back and
Speaker 3: watch them develop.
Speaker 1: And the other guys you don't.
Speaker 3: Other guys you're doing depending on what you have in
Speaker 3: front of them, right, So everybody does not get the
Speaker 3: same uh beandwi. Everybody does not get the same you know,
Speaker 3: amount of rope, you know, depending on your draft status,
Speaker 3: and depending on how many guys are in front of you,
Speaker 3: depending on the health of the guys in front of you.
Speaker 3: Tirre in, right, you got guys like that. So you
Speaker 3: have to get guys that are ready to come in play.
Speaker 3: I don't care if they're taking it in the first round.
Speaker 3: I don't care if they're taking it in the fifth
Speaker 3: or sixth round. They got to come in and they
Speaker 3: have to fulfill a role I feel like and I'll
Speaker 3: get to the cornerback in a second. To answer your question, Kyle,
Speaker 3: I feel like you have to. And I'm right there
Speaker 3: with Isaiah and have always been in this regard. You
Speaker 3: got to get an interior lineman I e left guard,
Speaker 3: and you got to get another tight end.
Speaker 1: And I it.
Speaker 3: Boggles my mind continuously to see some fans tell me
Speaker 3: and just say out loud that the Cowboys don't need
Speaker 3: a tight end. I don't know for the life of
Speaker 3: me what you're actually analyzing here, because yes, we are
Speaker 3: all three very big proponents of the Jake Ferguson and
Speaker 3: pay your Hindershot Combo.
Speaker 1: We are proponents of it.
Speaker 3: Which is why we all said, Hey, if don't show
Speaker 3: to walk, so what right? So what you're good at
Speaker 3: one and two or one A, one B, however you
Speaker 3: want to look it, look for two and three or
Speaker 3: two and three but or two.
Speaker 1: Man, see what I'm saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But what you don't have.
Speaker 3: We talked about the release of Van Bunching, which wasn't
Speaker 3: a contributor. He wasn't a contributor. You saw McEwan Seol
Speaker 3: McEwen makes some contributions last season, but didn't necessarily become
Speaker 3: that impact guy. You got Seth Green on the practice squad.
Speaker 3: You don't necessarily know what you're getting there.
Speaker 1: You know he was signed a former player out of Houston.
Speaker 3: But outside of your top two guys right now, you
Speaker 3: should be nervous at the tight end position.
Speaker 1: So yes, you do need another impact guy.
Speaker 3: And if that guy happens to be a road greater
Speaker 3: as a blocker as well, who can also when called upon,
Speaker 3: stretch the field, he can out muscle guys. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about a particular guy in Darnell, but there are also guys.
Speaker 3: Mayor is one and Laporta is one and that you know,
Speaker 3: spoke with Lounda Wells and the Portal was one of
Speaker 3: the names that he put out there as well, along
Speaker 3: with Darnelle, Washington, Mayor some of these other guys that
Speaker 3: he's interested in. But yes, tight end, you gotta address
Speaker 3: tight ends. So those two have to be done interio
Speaker 3: offensive line and tight end.
Speaker 1: Now, when we get the cornerback.
Speaker 3: On linebacker, you got to have lone acker and we
Speaker 3: already said it a hundred times, you gotta have linebacker cornerback.
Speaker 3: Here's where I struggle. I feel like it should be
Speaker 3: addressed in the draft. I don't know that it's a
Speaker 3: need must have. Yeah, I don't know that it's a
Speaker 3: must have because of stuff on Gilmore, not only stuff
Speaker 3: on Gilmore, not only because you got Trevon Diggs and
Speaker 3: the way the Cowboys just played it with Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 3: by exercising his fifth year option. If that deal doesn't
Speaker 3: come to fruition quickly, and they want it to, but
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, then you still have a franchise tag
Speaker 3: available to hit Trevon Diggs with in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: So you're not worried just yet about losing Digs. So
Speaker 3: you got Digs, you got Gilmore, and you love what
Speaker 3: you saw as far as trending forward on this, Sean right,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just back boundary, got you right?
Speaker 1: So Sean Wright, he's trending.
Speaker 3: There Israel mcuamou when he was given the shot at
Speaker 3: corner back on the edge. You love there, But he's
Speaker 3: also a big slot now. Transitioning to the slot conversation
Speaker 3: to Ron Bland, Jordan Lewis, who expects to be healthy
Speaker 3: this season coming back from that list Frank Andrew injury,
Speaker 3: I think that you are. I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: all set because injuries happening. I just talked about Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 3: You're not all set, because you're never really all set.
Speaker 3: But I think that cornerback is a position where if
Speaker 3: you're in round four, for example, and there's a talented
Speaker 3: tight end and you haven't addressed tight end just yet,
Speaker 3: which I hope you have, but if you have it
Speaker 3: or linebacker, you take one of those and you say, well,
Speaker 3: we'll get the cornerback in the fifth and I'm fine.
Speaker 3: If you get the cornerback in the fifth round, I'm
Speaker 3: completely fine. That's it's a developmental player, right unless their
Speaker 3: name is Deron Blant, But I'm completely fine with that.
Speaker 3: I would even say I'm fine with taking a cornerback
Speaker 3: in the sixth. I wouldn't wait until the seventh to
Speaker 3: do it, but if you took it in the sixth,
Speaker 3: I would be comfortable with that. Because of the current
Speaker 3: roster accord, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree
Speaker 3: with you. I believe that once you get around the
Speaker 3: fourth round, I think they need to start looking towards
Speaker 3: cornerback and The reason why I say that is because
Speaker 3: you need that room to be as competitive as can be.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have.
Speaker 3: Guys that are still developing, You have guys that are
Speaker 3: showing some promise. But the reality is in this league,
Speaker 3: this is a past in league now, this is the past.
Speaker 1: You think steph On Gilmore makes that.
Speaker 3: I think steph On Yeah, But he's not the youngest
Speaker 3: whip a snapper around either. He's not so so you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So, like I try to, when
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about these things, I'm thinking about the what ifs,
Speaker 3: the what if scenarios.
Speaker 1: Right, what if steph.
Speaker 3: On Gilmore his age shows up and something happens, right,
Speaker 3: he tweets something? Okay, now you're down to who that's
Speaker 3: the worst case? That's worse get in this case scenario? Right,
Speaker 3: So you can't put all your eggs in that basket.
Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about Jay lou Well, guess what I noticed
Speaker 3: a little thing about.
Speaker 1: A Liz frank injury? Do you a little bit?
Speaker 3: You and I and I and I hope and I
Speaker 3: pray that he comes back ready to rock and roll.
Speaker 3: But my experience is that he's gonna have some things
Speaker 3: to deal with on the way back from that injury. Okay,
Speaker 3: So you I don't expect him to come back and
Speaker 3: be the same guy that we've always known him to be.
Speaker 1: That's gonna take some time. If if it's at.
Speaker 3: The level that I in the experience that I had, Okay,
Speaker 3: that was ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I get it. However I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna put that responsibility on I'm on hope,
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna put that responsibility.
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna act as if something's going to
Speaker 1: happen to Gilmore.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna act as if Jay Lou is not going
Speaker 3: to be the guy that I wanted that I expect
Speaker 3: him to be, because that's that's almost unfair. So I
Speaker 3: need another nay Sean Wright mcwalmoll. They're still figuring out
Speaker 3: guess what. Let them battle it out. Let them battle
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: There's still things that I need to see from them.
Speaker 3: So I'm all about competition. Yeah, you know, cream's gonna
Speaker 3: rise to crop. Are you gonna quit? Yeah, I'd say
Speaker 3: you have to draft one. But my point being, if
Speaker 3: it's before round four, I think you.
Speaker 1: Know so much. No, No, I agree, I agree Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about because you only have a
Speaker 2: certain amount of picks, you only have a certain amount
Speaker 2: of draft capital that you can go. I would love
Speaker 2: to address every position in the drafts can do. There
Speaker 2: are gonna be some that are left out. There are
Speaker 2: gonna be some they want to go get a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They may not get a quarterback. They said it earlier
Speaker 2: in the off season. They may not end up with
Speaker 2: a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: The thing is, you're you're in a position where you
Speaker 3: there's a lot of positions you don't have to address.
Speaker 3: You don't have the address quarterback, you don't have to
Speaker 3: address offensive tackle, don't have to don't have to address
Speaker 3: defensive ends, you don't have the address safety.
Speaker 2: But when the value pops up, that's the other thing
Speaker 2: because at some point, value outweighs the need because there
Speaker 2: there is gonna be a player there that's better at exposition.
Speaker 2: Edge rusher is a great example. There are so many
Speaker 2: good ad dressers at the top half of this draft.
Speaker 2: They very well could draft an edge rusher. And we
Speaker 2: have some scenarios in the first round coming up in
Speaker 2: our next segment.
Speaker 1: I know it's not I know everything's on the table.
Speaker 3: But like and everybody else, they don't, they don't needed,
Speaker 3: but the value is there. I agree, And you know what,
Speaker 3: and that's why my philosophy, my draft philosophy.
Speaker 1: Is different.
Speaker 3: The value was insane, Yeah, exactly. My philosophy is totally
Speaker 3: different than a lot of other people's. Right, I'm willing
Speaker 3: to bypass on some talent to address a need.
Speaker 1: You are more needs based.
Speaker 3: Needs based, because I'm trying to fulfill a roster, and
Speaker 3: they you know what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: fulfill a roster.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to feel as much talent as I
Speaker 3: can and then figure out the holes later.
Speaker 1: That's not my philosophy. That's not mine.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say, now there's some crazy value
Speaker 3: right there. I'm not gonna blow by it, right by
Speaker 3: it and be like, no, I need to get this position.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying if it's if it's close to like, hey,
Speaker 3: this due is a beast, but guess what, this dude's
Speaker 3: pretty dark one good too, and he feels the need
Speaker 3: that we have. I'm going to go with the need
Speaker 3: that we have because guess what, now, holistically, my team
Speaker 3: is better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and outside of last year, I think they've done that.
Speaker 2: I think, and you could even argue in the first
Speaker 2: two rounds they've done that almost every year. Where last
Speaker 2: year they went need based in the first round and
Speaker 2: went and grabbed the Tyler Smith worked out great. Then
Speaker 2: you went with a value based so you go grab
Speaker 2: a Sam Williams in the second round. Year prior to that,
Speaker 2: you grab Michael Parsons. That was a need based pick.
Speaker 2: Where'd you'd go in the second round You went with
Speaker 2: a need based pick there as well.
Speaker 1: With Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 2: So things have lined up in the past and where
Speaker 2: they have drafted for need.
Speaker 1: But then you go to Ceedee Lamb and you go
Speaker 1: to Trayvon Diggs exactly. Both of those were value picks.
Speaker 3: So that's just that's craziness, right, that's just craziness falling
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: He's just like, Okay, well, I thank you, Yeah, you
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Speaker 3: I just operate on the sliding scale, and I don't
Speaker 3: I don't think that anyone should operate all the way
Speaker 3: needs based or all the way BPA, because either way
Speaker 3: you're going to put yourself in a best spot sooner
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Speaker 3: So you go in and you understand what your needs are,
Speaker 3: but you build the board based on the best player available,
Speaker 3: and then you say, okay, well, how does this tie
Speaker 3: into our needs? And then that's the robust conversation, and
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Speaker 3: you stay true to your board. And for me, the
Speaker 3: board says that you should already have it set up
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Speaker 3: going to end up addressing your needs. If you play
Speaker 3: the weekend as it should be played, If you play
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Speaker 3: keep an eye on those, like I said, those insane
Speaker 3: value picks where it's like, okay, right, can't pass an
Speaker 3: example running back, that's a perfect example. I believe Tony
Speaker 3: Polit's going to be perfectly fine. I believe the Cowboys
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Speaker 3: Yeah you when it got Rojo. I believe in Malik Davis.
Speaker 3: If be John Robinson is there at nineteen, If he's
Speaker 3: still on the clock at nineteen.
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Speaker 2: All right, I got some names, and we're gonna stick
Speaker 2: with the orange theme first. Okay, how about I've got
Speaker 2: a couple of orange colleges that have had some players
Speaker 2: rumored to the Cowboys twenty six.
Speaker 1: I want you to give me an a through F grade.
Speaker 1: Who's volunteering for this one.
Speaker 2: I'll start with uh, I'll start with Darnell right from Tennessee.
Speaker 2: But this is a trade up scenario. So you give
Speaker 2: up your third round pick to go and do it,
Speaker 2: what would you grade the pick? Darnell Right, offensive tackle,
Speaker 2: offensive guard flex, destroyed Alabama on a couple of occasions,
Speaker 2: had fantastic film at right tackle, where he looked far
Speaker 2: more comfortable than he did at left tackle, but he
Speaker 2: did play both at Tennessee, and he does have some
Speaker 2: inside flex.
Speaker 1: What would you grade the pick?
Speaker 2: If you give up your third rounder to go and
Speaker 2: get Darnel right and sure up things on the offensive line,
Speaker 2: he would be your Day one starter at left guard.
Speaker 3: Isaiah, You know, I don't like these guys flip flopping, man,
Speaker 3: but they don't have t steel under contract beyond this
Speaker 3: yes today, right.
Speaker 1: So beyond this year? Yeah, that's one. Yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: give up a fourth I could.
Speaker 2: So what would your grade be if you gave up
Speaker 2: a third Because that's kind of what it's going to
Speaker 2: have to take. You had to go up to sixteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen to get him and jump in front, You
Speaker 2: had to jump in front of Washington.
Speaker 1: It would take your third round pick. I give it
Speaker 1: a B B. Okay, so you feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 3: I feel good it's gonna that three is gonna hurt,
Speaker 3: hurt you, Yeah, but you feel that you feel a
Speaker 3: big void.
Speaker 1: Well, what would happen?
Speaker 2: Just curiosity if it was at twenty six, If if
Speaker 2: darnel Wright fell to twenty six tails, booty button nuked a.
Speaker 1: A plus absolutely a plus plus booty button Nugga will.
Speaker 3: Streak Absolutely there you go streaking across to That's why
Speaker 3: I threw in the trade up because I don't expect
Speaker 3: that to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think he will be there. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: giving up a third rounder, giving up a third where'd
Speaker 1: you move to get him to fifteen.
Speaker 6: B?
Speaker 1: Okay b because that third round is gonna stamp. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Get to the end of day two and you're.
Speaker 3: Just sitting less now keepingspects you could you could flip
Speaker 3: it and not flip this particular pick, but you could
Speaker 3: work to get that pick back. It might cost you
Speaker 3: something from twenty twenty four to get that third rounder
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three backs.
Speaker 1: So that's that on the table.
Speaker 3: But that notwithstanding yet that third round of hurts. But uh,
Speaker 3: and another reason it's not an A is because he's
Speaker 3: not plug and play at left guard. He'd be more
Speaker 3: plug and play at right tackle, but.
Speaker 1: I would plug and play him at left guard and
Speaker 1: be okay with it.
Speaker 3: Let me let me be more clear. He's not nearly
Speaker 3: as plugging, plug and play as a torrent So and
Speaker 3: a Veila would be at left guard because you would
Speaker 3: because you need him there. So, but he does give
Speaker 3: you the the added insurance of should something go awry
Speaker 3: in the contract negotiating contract negotiation with Terrence Steele, then
Speaker 3: you have your definitive right tackle as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd feel good about it. It would sting.
Speaker 2: Mightily, but yeahs with you, No, I doubt it, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: And also you think about it this way to.
Speaker 1: Keep right left guard and if there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if something goes wrong with T. Steele, then the
Speaker 2: tackles of your future are Tyler Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 1: I would ride with. That's why I give it a B. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we're still keeping an eye on met with
Speaker 1: Let's go as well.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of the third round picks that you've
Speaker 2: had the last couple of years, Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 1: Last year, the year before, you had.
Speaker 2: Multiple third round picks, so said gizu A, Chauncey Golsten
Speaker 2: and Nashawan.
Speaker 3: Riot, and you saw what Osa did last season, and
Speaker 3: you see where Chauncey is trending, and nay Shawn still
Speaker 3: has some development to go, but he did help kind
Speaker 3: of save you from falling into a black hole, ye
Speaker 3: opposite Trevon Diggs. So yeah, that third rounder, I mean, well,
Speaker 3: the jury is still out on what'll happened with Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 3: but that third round is going to hurt. But given
Speaker 3: the value, I'm fine with it because I would argue
Speaker 3: that right as a top ten picks.
Speaker 1: So if he's if he's available at fifteen, then you
Speaker 1: still go get him great value. Yeah, I would give it.
Speaker 1: I'd give it an a minus.
Speaker 2: If they went up and did something like that, go
Speaker 2: and grab Darnell right, I would still even as much
Speaker 2: as it would hurt. And on the Draft show, when
Speaker 2: we're sitting here and we're doing our wall to wall coverage,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be upset whenever we're not picking in
Speaker 2: the third round, but I will be happy knowing that
Speaker 2: our offensive line has been shirt up for the future.
Speaker 1: Nice and snuggled up against. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So from the Waburger orange that Isaiah has on his shirt,
Speaker 2: we go to a little burnt Orange. B Jean Robinson
Speaker 2: no trade up needed. He falls to twenty six. What
Speaker 2: would your grade of the pick bee B Jean Robinson.
Speaker 2: We'll let Pat start on this one, hey plus, no
Speaker 2: trade up needed, okay? B. John Robinson falls at twenty
Speaker 2: six Ceedee Lamb situation.
Speaker 3: It's the Ceedee lamp situation to the max. And I
Speaker 3: don't think they would trade up to go get Bijeon.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't have that feeling. What I
Speaker 1: have the feeling of, though, is if he is there,
Speaker 1: they're going to run that cart in before they get you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely blink.
Speaker 3: This is top ten talent, one of the best athletes,
Speaker 3: arguably the best athlete in the draft.
Speaker 1: If he's there at twenty six.
Speaker 3: Just and this is coming from a person who again
Speaker 3: and I'll lead the running backs matter train, but I
Speaker 3: also understand that given the Cowboys current set up at
Speaker 3: running back, you don't need a running back. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking in not late rounds, but late than the first round.
Speaker 3: So we'll see what Jamiir Gibbs Golds, would you talk
Speaker 3: about Devin a Chain for example, and some of those
Speaker 3: other guys that you could Tony Pollard your way into
Speaker 3: in the third and fourth round or something like that.
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with that. That being said, I'm also
Speaker 1: not stupid.
Speaker 3: So if B John Robinson is there at twenty six,
Speaker 3: you make the pick and you figure the rest out,
Speaker 3: and it's an A plus for me because you're gonna
Speaker 3: you're getting five years of.
Speaker 1: Control, yep, for B.
Speaker 3: John Robinson before you have to really worry about a
Speaker 3: second contract.
Speaker 1: And maybe you, you know, give him a second one,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: The window of opportunity to win the super Bowl in
Speaker 3: that five year span is just wide open, and you
Speaker 3: just blow it wide open, right, So a plus if
Speaker 3: that happens.
Speaker 1: I'd give it an A as well. Isaiah, what are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Is a Vila available? Yes?
Speaker 2: Of course I don't think he's He may be available
Speaker 2: at fifty eight. I'm not very high. I like Steve Avila,
Speaker 2: but I'm not a massive proponent of taking him at
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 1: I actually i'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm a against taking him at twenty who whoa, whoa
Speaker 2: whoa I am. I would rather have Torrents easy money.
Speaker 2: Give me Torrance over Abby Lah every day, and.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. In a note take, is that
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not an you can see my top one hundred later.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's just do what a burger take.
Speaker 2: I've heard people say he's in the fourth round. I'm
Speaker 2: not even talk you talk about Steve. Bobby lah has
Speaker 2: been a hot button name. Not not for me, even
Speaker 2: though I like him as a player in the second round.
Speaker 2: I'm not there at twenty six.
Speaker 3: If one of your primetime O linemen that you would
Speaker 3: like is there, you choose Vjeon over them. I'm not
Speaker 3: a fan, okay, but you know what you could do though,
Speaker 3: and this is this would make the Isaiahs of the world,
Speaker 3: which I'm right there with you. This is why I
Speaker 3: know this would please you, because it would please me
Speaker 3: as well. Talk to Vjeon's there at twenty six. You
Speaker 3: pull that trigger and you take him, and then you
Speaker 3: move up for fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you go get up and then Torrents next
Speaker 2: give up your what are you gonna give up?
Speaker 1: Well to move up? It depends on how far are
Speaker 1: you going you go from. Probably you're probably gonna give
Speaker 1: up give up your thirty kids.
Speaker 2: Uh No, you'd probably give up a fourth at that point,
Speaker 2: maybe a sixth or something.
Speaker 3: Let me let me just you you can get your
Speaker 3: I know they're gonna be a lot of people that
Speaker 3: are going to be like, dude, get your data. I
Speaker 3: I think the only person that sees eye to eye
Speaker 3: with me on this particular matter is Nate Newton. And
Speaker 3: I say that because as great and a talent as B.
Speaker 3: Jon Roberson is and some of these other skilled position
Speaker 3: guys are, they're only as good as the guys that
Speaker 3: are in front of them blocking.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Period. Agreed.
Speaker 3: If I have a dominant you know, I mean dominant
Speaker 3: offensive line, I don't need a dominant running back.
Speaker 1: My one. And I know this is this is because
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but it's not that cutting dry. This
Speaker 1: is you know, it's not.
Speaker 2: This is college to the NFL. Wait, wait a second
Speaker 2: college to the NFL. B John Robinson did not have
Speaker 2: an offensive line of Texas. That offensive line was poor,
Speaker 2: very very bad. Still dok Walker Award winner. He was
Speaker 2: the nation's top running back. He was Team All American,
Speaker 2: he was first team All Big Twelve. He led to
Speaker 2: awesome fbs and scrimmage yards. This offense, even though there
Speaker 2: are holes on the offensive line, you can convince me
Speaker 2: that this offensive line is good enough to block for
Speaker 2: a B genre, You're not the worst offensive line in football,
Speaker 2: and you still have a B Jehan Robinson.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be an incredible running back for you right now? Now?
Speaker 1: Is it the best offensive line you could possibly have? Absolutely? Not.
Speaker 1: Do you have concerns at the running backs? Did you
Speaker 1: have concerns at the running back position? Last year? No?
Speaker 1: Do you have concerns now?
Speaker 2: Not, as I'm not as solidified, but I also concerns answers,
Speaker 2: Yes you have concerns, Yes, at the running back position.
Speaker 1: What is your concern in comparison to last year? When?
Speaker 1: Just in general? Do you have concerns? Are you worried
Speaker 1: about are you going into this draft like, man, we
Speaker 1: got to have a running back? No?
Speaker 3: I just said, no, okay, the show, what do you have?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I'm saying. So what I'm
Speaker 3: saying is I absolutely think they need a running back.
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's I mean I think they
Speaker 3: need to add a position. I don't think they need
Speaker 3: to go get up a big dog like this, right, who's.
Speaker 1: Your running back in twenty twenty four? Who's your running back?
Speaker 1: Tony Potter is gonna sit here's my concern.
Speaker 3: You don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know, right, But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Okay, you know what I'm saying. I feel
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 3: Even does which you can't guarantee dominant, does you? Rojo
Speaker 3: is a one year deal?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: You want Milie Davis to develop, and we believe he can.
Speaker 3: But until you see it, you don't see it. Right.
Speaker 1: So am I as rock solid as I was last
Speaker 1: year with Pollard and Zeke and Malik? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: But I'm not so concerned that I believe it's a
Speaker 3: need because rewind to the top of the episode.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's a need. I believe that it
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed.
Speaker 3: Correct that being said again, if b Jon Robinson is
Speaker 3: there at twenty six, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: Now, I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess my whole approach to this is ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent of the teams in the NFL are running back
Speaker 3: by committee.
Speaker 1: There's there's one dude in this league that doesn't need
Speaker 1: an accomplished You said ninety nine percent. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's right. What what one running back does not need?
Speaker 3: A Derrek Heary? Thank you very much. Other than that,
Speaker 3: everybody needs a tandem. So what I'm saying is you're
Speaker 3: gonna have a running back by committee, no matter what.
Speaker 3: No matter what, You're gonna have a running back by
Speaker 3: committee unless you are sixty three fifty pounds running a
Speaker 3: four to four.
Speaker 2: Would you call Saquon Barkley a running back by committee?
Speaker 2: Would you call Dalvin Cook a running back by the committee?
Speaker 2: Wi Walker running back by committee? No, they're just that's
Speaker 2: a number one running back and then a number two
Speaker 2: and a number three.
Speaker 1: That's what that is. So that's what if it's not
Speaker 1: running back? If I commission to.
Speaker 3: You that you you get Bejon at twenty six if
Speaker 3: he's available, which is a home just a grand slam.
Speaker 3: And then in the second round you address your io
Speaker 3: will so you bolster your io wel because there's going
Speaker 3: to be someone that's really good that you can plug
Speaker 3: right into left guard and upgrade that offense.
Speaker 1: Be a solid second. Right, So what if you could
Speaker 1: do both? Like you remember that that me give little girl,
Speaker 1: She's like, why not both? That's how I feel? Why not?
Speaker 3: You know what draft does and we're saying the same
Speaker 3: you know, and we're saying the same thing. You're just
Speaker 3: you're just valuing the running back over over what I'm
Speaker 3: valuating in line. No, no, no, I'm not positionally speaking,
Speaker 3: I am not. I'm with you positionally speaking. Positionally speaking,
Speaker 3: I value the offensive line over the running back.
Speaker 1: But value conversation understood.
Speaker 3: This particular, the value of b jehon Robins unders twenty
Speaker 3: six understood.
Speaker 1: Trump's my positional value understood. That's what I'm saying. What's
Speaker 1: your what's your letter grades? If Bjon's the pick, I
Speaker 1: mean I give it. I give it a A, but
Speaker 1: it's not a plus. Okay, yes, fair, So.
Speaker 2: We're arguing over an unlikely possibility of an A A plus.
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a talent. Listen, I'm not disrecrediting this.
Speaker 1: Dude's a hell of a tail. We don't think.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking about being dominant sure in whatever aspect
Speaker 3: of the game you choose to approach passing and running.
Speaker 3: I want to be dominant at the office line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: If Bjon is there's twenty six, that means you just
Speaker 3: went full BPA because of value, and I'm fine with
Speaker 3: that considering who we're talking about. But that then swings
Speaker 3: to pinch it because you know, physic. It swings to
Speaker 3: pinch in the other direction, which is now pure need,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to care.
Speaker 3: I don't want to care about Washington Commander's D line.
Speaker 3: I don't want to care about Philadelphia's D line. I
Speaker 3: don't want to care about the New York Giants D line.
Speaker 3: Give me all of them, don't give r what if
Speaker 3: Chris Tucker said, Yeah, that's how I feel. When you
Speaker 3: have a dominant O line. It doesn't matter who steps up,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't matter who's behind them. My thing is
Speaker 3: and everyone would do well to remember this. The draft
Speaker 3: doesn't end twenty six. You just figure out you have
Speaker 3: to take out.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to tell them that all the time.
Speaker 1: All right, you just figure out where you're going after that.
Speaker 1: That's all all right.
Speaker 2: We need to take our second break. But I've got
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Speaker 2: won't be as big of a debate. I don't think
Speaker 2: quick Dalton Kinkaid tight End from Utah. If he's the
Speaker 2: pick at twenty six, no trade up needed, he falls again,
Speaker 2: What would your pick be there?
Speaker 1: What would your grade be? I would say it's a
Speaker 1: solid B plus.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as fun as Bjeon. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's as impactful as Darnell, right, but I still
Speaker 2: think it's a hell of a pick. Give me a
Speaker 2: B plus on on Dalton Kinkaid and I would ride
Speaker 2: with that, and I'd be exceptionally happy.
Speaker 1: If he's a selection. What do you think plus as well?
Speaker 1: B plus? You think of Pat?
Speaker 2: You make kind of a WinCE there You against tight End?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, not not as far as getting one, because again
Speaker 3: it's in need and you gotta have.
Speaker 1: It again Dalton kink No, I'm not against Dalton twenty six.
Speaker 1: I'm just against Daulton k Kate at twenty six. Really
Speaker 1: C plus C plus Okay?
Speaker 3: What if I told you he's probably going to go
Speaker 3: in the top fifteen C plus Okay? Still see because
Speaker 3: I'm also looking at what you could have if you
Speaker 3: didn't go tighten at twenty six, what would likely still
Speaker 3: be on the table at that position.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at from a macro. It is a
Speaker 1: really good I'm looking at it from a macro.
Speaker 3: So the C plus is is not a knock to
Speaker 3: to Kinkate whatsoever, as much as it is me saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, you didn't have to go tight end
Speaker 3: at you know, at twenty six, and if you were
Speaker 3: to do that, is Mayor available?
Speaker 1: Is Darnell's still available? Those That's the conversation I have.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this Michael Mayer? What is your grade?
Speaker 2: If he's the pick at twenty six? He was the
Speaker 2: next name I had on the list B B, so
Speaker 2: better than Dalton Kinka, I think I would go with
Speaker 2: it is better than k I think the better, but
Speaker 2: I I think Kaid is a better player.
Speaker 1: But I also like Mayor.
Speaker 3: I don't dislike so we we have the same principal,
Speaker 3: same thought process, which is, you know you're fine with
Speaker 3: that twenty six if it's this particular guy, it's just
Speaker 3: that you like King Kate more than may Or.
Speaker 1: I like Mayor. I'd be okay with either one, So
Speaker 1: I think both. I have a first round grade on
Speaker 1: both games. It's not fail if it's K That's why
Speaker 1: I said it's a C plus. I mean that's still passing.
Speaker 1: What if I tell you I won Darnel Washington over
Speaker 1: eat both of them, you wouldn't be alone, but you
Speaker 1: would still be in the minority. That's fine. I've always
Speaker 1: been a minority in my whole life. Talk to them King,
Speaker 1: talk to him King. You know why, because it is
Speaker 1: the minority. If he fits in them, you see a friend.
Speaker 3: The manifestations of the consolations, of the constellations, it's the mode.
Speaker 1: No secret.
Speaker 3: I am absolutely huge on Darnielle Washington, both subjectively and objectively.
Speaker 3: But I don't even I be as as big as
Speaker 3: I am on Darnelle Washington. I don't think that you
Speaker 3: would have to grab him at twenty six. I think
Speaker 3: you got to get him way before fifty eight. But
Speaker 3: that could be a trade down scenario. You go down
Speaker 3: from twenty six to like thirty thirty one, six seven, seven,
Speaker 3: if you get if you go down from twenty six
Speaker 3: to like thirty thirty one, you get Darnell six seven,
Speaker 3: two seventy with.
Speaker 2: Some entree issues and kind of labors to get going
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: But he's a hell of a block. Get him the block.
Speaker 1: That's me pretty much what he would do, rookie. I
Speaker 1: need them to be Tim Duncan in the paint on
Speaker 1: the goal line. If you give me, that's all.
Speaker 3: I need to be block and then go box somebody
Speaker 3: out on the goal line. That's all I'm asking you
Speaker 3: to do. Darnell Washington at thirty with an extra pick.
Speaker 3: That's that's Paddy Milk delicious.
Speaker 1: Is what that it is?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, stop doing that. Oh, Cyrus Torrance trade down scenario,
Speaker 2: Cyrus Torrence, what would you give that?
Speaker 1: Great? Hey? A plus?
Speaker 2: A plus trade down? Get an extra pick and.
Speaker 1: A plus. I'll toss a plus one.
Speaker 2: I think I would say I would say a plus two.
Speaker 2: I almost gave Torrans the first round grade because I think.
Speaker 1: He's that dominant. I didn't. I gave him a two,
Speaker 1: but I would be totally. I don't hate those you
Speaker 1: did that to me. I didn't do that.
Speaker 2: I love doing that all right, last one and then
Speaker 2: we'll say goodbye and we'll get you ready for the draft.
Speaker 2: This is if you had to tell me right now
Speaker 2: who I think the pick will be. I think it's
Speaker 2: this guy, Will McDonald edge rusher out of all Iowa state.
Speaker 2: You just had a pin throw. That's what we call
Speaker 2: on the draft shows, a pin throw. Why do you
Speaker 2: hate me, Will McDonald?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 1: First of all, we're what a Burger family? Second of all?
Speaker 1: Second of all, we don't need another edge rusher, especially
Speaker 1: that high.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're loaded up there, you're loaded up at the
Speaker 3: past rush four now, but yeah, that's not a need.
Speaker 1: That is the least of your needs on your whole roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I also know I would take
Speaker 2: an edge rusher any day because I just I want
Speaker 2: to get out.
Speaker 1: You talk about being dominant.
Speaker 2: But that's like you high about being that's like you
Speaker 2: have you're a proponent of taking Michael White.
Speaker 1: That's like you have six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's freaking a freaking specimen six white button ups, Kyle,
Speaker 3: and you're like, you know what, I'm gonna grab another.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like I'm having white buttons and
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it for what because I can rotate
Speaker 2: him through and he keeps me.
Speaker 3: Still, you still need you still need a blazer you
Speaker 3: need a blazer and you have there buying more white
Speaker 3: white Yes, don't get the blazer man.
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as too many white white button.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have a blazer yet, but
Speaker 1: I got seven of these. If that's what I wear,
Speaker 1: that's what I wear.
Speaker 3: Like Jesus, love me some Will McDonald, but I also
Speaker 3: love some of these other other edge rushers, like Derek
Speaker 3: Hall for example. I mean, like you could you could
Speaker 3: get a home run pick at edge after twenty six,
Speaker 3: And so as much as I love Will McDonald, i'd.
Speaker 1: Probably give that a D. Wow, I'll probably give it
Speaker 1: a D because again, you gotta balance it.
Speaker 3: You gotta balance his b p A in need and
Speaker 3: you know, Will McDonald, I would struggle for you to
Speaker 3: convince me. You would struggle to convince me that at
Speaker 3: twenty six, even if Will McDonald is there, that he's
Speaker 3: the bp A, So that means he's neither b p
Speaker 3: A nor need. That's a D and D is a
Speaker 3: failing grade and a lot of school systems, so I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna go for it because of his talent level.
Speaker 1: So it's not a full F, but it's an absolute
Speaker 1: D for me. This is gonna be a fun show
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 2: Will McDonald's for his talent is what keeps it from
Speaker 2: being I'm gonna I'm gonna save the show here, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say a B plus because I really do
Speaker 2: like well McDonald.
Speaker 1: Nothing is that IM talking about McDonald and I love
Speaker 1: adding that.
Speaker 3: Do you believe he'd be the best player available at
Speaker 3: twenty six if he's there? If the answers no, then
Speaker 3: he's neither bp A nor need No.
Speaker 1: You're right, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I under what rotation is he in? I would put him?
Speaker 1: Is it your first, second or third rotation? You're taking
Speaker 1: rips from sitting your second rotation. He's in your second rotation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he may be in your first rotation. He may
Speaker 2: be a starter above Dorance Armstrong because you have Micah
Speaker 2: technically is your little linebacker tool back and forth?
Speaker 1: Nor McDonald is Norris has had a career year. Durrance
Speaker 1: is a great player. But will your first one on
Speaker 1: d lost there too. So I'm saying, three guys, Michael,
Speaker 1: and three guys you're not saying. But that's the thing
Speaker 1: about dan Quinn's defense. He's find a freaking.
Speaker 3: Way I know, But We're talking about traditional way to
Speaker 3: do it. You have two d ns in the game
Speaker 3: at one time. Play with two d ns, you gotta
Speaker 3: have a vision. He has a vision, and that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You got Donald, Donald's your other rusher. That's fair exactly,
Speaker 1: fourth round edge there there you go. All right, Well
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Well we'll see what happens this week. Should
Speaker 1: be interesting.
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