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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Literally in the last hour, a new search has been

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Speaker 2: launched for missing autistic boy Sebastian Rogers. Why why is

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Speaker 2: there a new search recanvassing areas that have already been searched.

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Speaker 2: Could it have anything to do with the fact that

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Speaker 2: sebastians glasses.

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Speaker 1: May have been found and right.

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Speaker 2: Now controversy swirling about a polygraph?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: But I do know this.

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Speaker 2: I don't need an expert to tell me that there

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Speaker 2: has been an alert that went out to media. A

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Speaker 2: new search is taking place right now as we speak

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Speaker 2: for Sebastian Rogers, the missing autistic boy.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Is there new information that has not been released to

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Speaker 2: us as a location been identified that it's more important

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Speaker 2: than other locations. This is unusual for a research of

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Speaker 2: an area that may have already been searched.

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Speaker 1: What precipitated the new search this?

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Speaker 2: As we learn glasses eyeglasses have been found? Are the

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Speaker 2: Sebastians first of all?

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Speaker 1: On the new search?

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Speaker 2: Joining me Lauren Conlin investigative reporter and host of The Outlier, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I understand that a

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Speaker 2: new search has.

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Speaker 1: Just been launched. Who what where went? Why? Tell me? Yes?

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Speaker 3: So, as you said, Nancy is in Hendersonville, and it's

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Speaker 3: the same areas, and it's sheriffs in Sumner County and

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Speaker 3: counties all over, and it's EMS workers and it's more volunteers,

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Speaker 3: and I believe it is the Sumner County EMS is

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Speaker 3: saying six to ten miles and so on. So this

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Speaker 3: happened this morning.

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Speaker 1: This is breaking news.

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Speaker 3: They are saying this has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 3: press conference yesterday with the glasses found.

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Speaker 4: But that is all we know.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: When you hear Lauren Collin, who's been on the case

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Speaker 2: from the very beginning of missing autistic boys Sebastian Rogers,

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Speaker 2: when you hear say volunteers, there's a caveat to that

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Speaker 2: they are law enforcement EMTs, people in the criminal law business,

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Speaker 2: all banning together for a new search this as we

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Speaker 2: learn that glasses have been found that could be very

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Speaker 2: significant in joining me is someone who is acutely aware

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Speaker 2: of all the facts surrounding that pair of glasses.

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers is with us.

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Speaker 2: Seth is Sebastian's biological father, and you may have gone

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Speaker 2: online and seeing Seth. At first you see nothing but

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Speaker 2: densely forested woodland, and then you realize it's Seth Rogers

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Speaker 2: out there on foot looking for his son.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't quit.

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Speaker 2: He took a brief respite over Easter break, and now

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Speaker 2: he's back at it. Seth Rogers, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. You can find him at Sebastians Strong. Seth,

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Speaker 2: tell me about the discovery of the glasses.

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Speaker 5: My volunteers found them in Gallatin around two ten hutch

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Speaker 2: Seth, no offense, but you're speaking Greek to me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: where is that? Where's that in real life? To Sebastian's

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Speaker 5: It's about fourteen miles from his mom's residence. It's not

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Speaker 2: Had he recently gotten new glasses? Or am I seeing

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Speaker 5: They were close enough that I asked the Sumner County

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Speaker 6: And that's what they did.

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Speaker 5: They took pictures around the area to show where they

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Speaker 5: And they brought them into our volunteer where our volunteers

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Speaker 2: Guys joining us is Sebastian's biological father, Seth Rogers. Seth,

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Speaker 2: I want to circle back to what you said. These

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Speaker 2: glasses were found about fourteen miles from where Sebastian resided

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Speaker 6: I was not with the group, not with that group.

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Speaker 1: Where then, were correct?

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Speaker 2: Were the glasses out in a forested area where they

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Speaker 6: They were on the side of the road.

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Speaker 2: So, okay, you just clarified something for me. It's in

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Speaker 5: I don't believe it was a cul de sac, but

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Speaker 5: I believe it's hutch Court, so I believe it was

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Speaker 2: If you were in a car, how long would it

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Speaker 5: Found, depending on traffic, probably about fourteen to fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we're talking about an area that has hills,

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Speaker 2: he's telling us about fifteen minutes from home. Do you

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Speaker 6: I have no idea. I don't even know what's in

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he had any friends there.

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Speaker 2: But you believe these glasses are similar enough to the

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Speaker 2: backed where they cracked. Were they broken in any way, No, ma'am.

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Speaker 5: They had some scratch marks on the inside of the

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Speaker 5: there is no scuff marks on the outside of them.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing Seth Rogers just a Sebastian's biodad

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Speaker 2: speaking about a discovery this weekend, a discovery regarding Sebastian's glasses. Now,

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Speaker 2: the reality is it is a simple matter to determine

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Speaker 2: look enough like them that they could very well be his,

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Speaker 2: and they've been taken into evidence to make sure. What

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Speaker 2: why were they there? Also, we're going to be looking

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think people at this point, and obviously

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Speaker 2: So bottom line, we don't know, maybe the glasses, maybe

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Cajun Navy is stepping back, but we

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Speaker 2: been searched, which I find very very intriguing. Why are

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Speaker 1: Nancy?

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Speaker 7: If I can jump in for just a second, there

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Speaker 7: has just been a post from the Sumner County Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 7: They want to clarify that those eyeglasses that were found

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Speaker 7: are not again are not related to Sebastian Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Lauren Colin and Seth Rogers joining us

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Speaker 2: is Dave mac Crime online dot Com investigative reporter who

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Speaker 2: has also been on the disappearance of Sebastian Rogers from

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Speaker 2: the very very beginning. Dave Mac, let me just say,

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Speaker 2: he would take a polygraph if we set it up.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Have the two of you taken a polygraph? I have?

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Speaker 4: I have not.

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Speaker 1: Would you be willing to?

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Speaker 8: I've offered and volunteered on many occasions and take a polygraph?

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Speaker 8: And I was told directly by law enforcement because of

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Speaker 1: I understand, Miss Proudfoot. Did you pass your polygraph?

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Speaker 8: I did?

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Speaker 2: Now now listen to this, he says, I've offered and

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Speaker 2: volunteered on many occasions to take a polygraph. I was

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Speaker 2: told directly by a law enforcement forcement book because of my.

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Speaker 1: Whereabouts, I did not need one.

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Speaker 2: Listen to more, and mister Proudfoot, you have volunteered to

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Speaker 2: If I were to set up a polly for you,

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Speaker 6: Named a place in time, ma'am, I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Well we did. We did that.

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Speaker 2: We set up a polygrapher, a very well respected polygrapher,

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Speaker 2: his step son, and not to take a polygraph.

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Speaker 1: I heard of that.

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Speaker 2: I always loved it when witnesses, targets, or defendants, anybody

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Speaker 2: I find that very curious that he would be dissuaded

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Speaker 2: see a volunteer search launching right now with law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: and not to take a polygraph now very curious. Crime

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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace, Dave Mac, didn't mister Proudfoot, Chris Proudfoot,

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Speaker 2: Sebastian Roger's stepfather, didn't he tell us he would take

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 9: He said it anywhere you named the place, I'll be there.

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Speaker 2: He also told this, Should I believe him or my

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Speaker 2: lioneers that he has never taken a polygraph before?

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Speaker 1: Didn't he tell us.

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Speaker 4: That that's what he said?

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Speaker 2: He told you that, Okay, Dave Mac Crime online dot

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Speaker 2: Com investigative reporter, did he not tell another outlet he

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Speaker 2: had already taken a polygraph and passed it?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 9: He sure did he exact words?

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Speaker 1: He said. Somebody asked, explain please.

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Speaker 9: He did interviews. He did a number of interviews. Nancy

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Speaker 9: when and in this one particular, asked about have you

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Speaker 9: taken a polygraph?

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 9: Somebody asked the question, this is a direct quote. Was

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Speaker 9: a polygraph taken and has it been passed?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 9: I didn't specify who or when, But what I can

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Speaker 9: tell you everything has been vetted completely. Polygraphs have come

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Speaker 9: back as passed. So I'm confused as in why they're

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Speaker 9: took one exact words, that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But Seth Roger ors, this is Sebastian's dad, his

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Speaker 2: bio dad, Sebastian Seth, I don't understand that because he

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Speaker 2: told me he would take a polygraph.

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Speaker 1: If I set it up. I set it up.

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Speaker 5: I don't I really don't know, but I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 5: I volunteered to take polygraph. I was told that I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: But I still volunteer, and if somebody wants me to

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of things I need to dissect

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Speaker 2: very quickly. Dave Matt, you and I have been scouring

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Speaker 1: And speaking to various witnesses.

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Speaker 2: Mister Proudfoot tells me to my face that he hit

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Speaker 2: Sebastian with a belt. This is an autistic boy, an

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Speaker 2: And I've got an expert, Courtney Laski.

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Speaker 1: Is going to explain this to me. I did not

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Speaker 2: How would that affect a child with autism? But that said,

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Speaker 2: I want to focus on what I'm hearing, Dave Matt,

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Speaker 2: help me. Dave, I'm hearing that it happened years ago.

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Speaker 2: In both of those quotes where you heard Chris Proudfoot speaking,

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Speaker 1: Explain Dave mac.

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Speaker 9: He did in a YouTube interview, and in that interview

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Speaker 7: Stop.

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Speaker 2: I asked you about the age of Sebastian when Sebastian

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Speaker 9: He said in another interview that the fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: Punishment.

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Speaker 9: Now, that's not three years ago, that's within the last

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Speaker 2: That is within the same year that Sebastian goes missing.

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Speaker 1: That is a significant point.

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Speaker 9: And in your interview, Katie agreed with him. She was

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Speaker 1: Yes, she did. You're right, You're absolutely right. What what's

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Speaker 6: Birth December seventh. He just turned fifteen.

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Speaker 2: The significance of that is that he had not been

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Speaker 2: fifteen that long according to this, when he got whacked

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Speaker 2: telling two different stories, That's what matters. I've never been

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Speaker 2: It was Lucy because she clabbered John David in the

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Speaker 2: I was spanking her through a huge dipe. Okay, it

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Speaker 2: there's a whole scenario that I need to talk with

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Speaker 2: Ms Laski about hitting a child that is autistic with

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Speaker 2: But that said, what's concerning me now is two different stories.

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Speaker 2: And as Dave Mack first said, we've got a CPS issue.

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Speaker 2: Because if you will recall Dave Mack and that last

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Speaker 2: how did that turn into a CPS Child protective Services complaint,

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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, he's told a different story to

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Dave Mack and make sure you're.

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Speaker 9: Right describing the belt whack, the specific belt whack hit

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Speaker 9: him one time with the belt, and Chris Browdfoot said,

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Speaker 9: seth that Sebastian went to school, told a teacher what

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Speaker 9: further to say that night, when they were sitting down

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Speaker 9: the house before. He went on to explain heroically how

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Speaker 9: Teacher reported it to CPS. CPS came out of their

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Speaker 9: there was nobody helping parent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Liz, if you don't mind, could you play twenty

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Speaker 2: three for me one more time? Listen to Sebastian's stepfather,

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Speaker 1: Was that the first time you had ever hit him

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Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am, the one and only time.

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Speaker 4: Years ago?

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Speaker 1: Any idea? How many? Three? Ten? One?

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Speaker 8: It probably at least three years ago.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how that turned into a CPS or

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Speaker 2: Child Protective Services complaint?

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Speaker 1: How were they alerted that you hit him with a belt.

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Speaker 6: Did not turn, that did not turn into a seat?

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Speaker 8: A service called as we go to air.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we are learning a new search is being

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Speaker 2: conducted by LA law enforcement volunteers, apparently re canvassing an

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Speaker 2: area that has already been searched. Why why the focus

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Speaker 2: Brian Trasher joining US VP of the United Cajun Navy, Brian, you.

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Speaker 1: Know I've been talking a lot. A lot is happening.

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Speaker 2: One, you called off the search one day just before

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Speaker 2: the search started. In two, there's a lot of hate

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Speaker 1: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: You're out there on your own time, volunteering, trying to

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Speaker 2: help find Sebastian or clue of Sebastian. Somebody is full

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Speaker 2: same thing something similar from Seth Rogers, who is Sebastia's

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Speaker 2: bio dad. The searches are being torpedoed. I don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: Number one, Brian Trasher, Why has the Cajun Navy pulled

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Speaker 10: Well, just to be clear, we gave up or called

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Speaker 10: We did have some volunteers that were threatened. Despite what

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Speaker 10: the local PD said in their press conference, we did

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Speaker 10: have some credible threats.

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Speaker 4: We have recordings of telephone threats. We have.

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Speaker 10: Surveillance video of in person threats. I know it was

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Speaker 10: a police report filed about a threat with Metro Nashville PD.

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Speaker 10: It's not clear as to whether there's departments share information

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Speaker 10: report with your producers, just to show that we are

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Speaker 4: I think that there.

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Speaker 10: You know, there are some people out there who make

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Speaker 10: money off of tragedies, and when volunteer groups come in

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Speaker 10: and other volunteer groups are being impeded in the search

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Speaker 10: for Sebastian, about why they're receiving so much online hate.

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Speaker 10: I'll let Seth speak to it for himself and his

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll do that.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about you and the

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Speaker 2: Cajun Navy. I heard some of the threats myself recorded threats,

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Speaker 2: But could you succinctly, in a nutshell explain what type

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Speaker 2: Here are out trying to find Sebastian.

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Speaker 10: Basically, just a lot of you know, we're going to

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Speaker 10: you know, tell everybody where your family lives, things like that.

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Speaker 10: But you know, Nancy, what we've found is that we've

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Speaker 10: run background checks and all the people that have made

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Speaker 10: these threats, they thought they could remain anonymous.

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Speaker 4: And they're all career criminals.

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Speaker 10: They all have rap sheets a mile long, so criminal

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Speaker 10: activity is nothing new to them. So it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 10: us that they would have the gumption to go ahead

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Speaker 10: So you know, my message to those people making threats,

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Speaker 10: we'll stop telling the truth about you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I don't really care Brian, who's

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Speaker 2: lying on who?

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Speaker 1: Those are just words.

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Speaker 2: I care about finding Sebastian, and I care about someone

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Speaker 2: with the Cajun Navy, with Seth Rogers, the biological father

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Speaker 1: Your search for your own son. What's happening?

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Speaker 5: Somebody doesn't want me to find my son. They have

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Speaker 5: been telling there's things that have been coming in off

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Speaker 5: I've had people following me around since and since I

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Speaker 5: would say day nine, day ten. People have been following

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Speaker 5: they started following around my volunteers, trying to be an intimidated.

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Speaker 6: Factor.

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Speaker 5: And now I found out that not only that, but

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Speaker 5: they're going back to where we've already flyed and they're

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what to make of this.

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Speaker 2: Brian Trasher is the vice president of the United Cajun Navy, Okay,

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Speaker 2: and there have been many incarnations of the Cajun Navy,

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Speaker 2: but this is what I know this group is out

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that. What's happening, Brian, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, as you heard us say in the pasting,

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Speaker 4: People in the local community.

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Speaker 10: Whether the locals or not remains to be seen, but

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Speaker 10: because we still have people out there looking, and I

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Speaker 10: know Seth is not going to stop looking for his son.

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Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to what Dave Matt from Crime

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Speaker 2: Online has to say.

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Speaker 11: The United Cajun Navy surprised many people that showed up

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Speaker 11: for a recent search in Hendersonville for Sebastian Rodgers. Just

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Speaker 11: before people were preparing together, the United Cajun Navy came

451
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Speaker 11: out with a post on Facebook and said they were

452
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Speaker 11: calling off their search for Sebastian Rodgers over security reasons.

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Speaker 11: Press for more details. The United Cajun Navy said they

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Speaker 11: are concerned over the security for their staff and volunteers,

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Speaker 11: as some are getting death threats online and in person.

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Speaker 11: They said they were going to regroup in a few

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Speaker 11: days and decide how best to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Again, no good deed going unpunished.

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Speaker 2: Why would people tear down flyers that have been placed

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Speaker 2: up by Sebastian's father looking for him and the total.

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Speaker 1: Free numbers and descriptions of the boy.

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Speaker 2: Why is this happening and why is the Cajun Navy

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Speaker 2: being threatened? I want to figure out, Brian Tresher, how

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Speaker 2: you that particular area to search.

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Speaker 10: It was a combination of some information when we first

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Speaker 10: got there that Seth provided some areas that he had

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Speaker 10: showed us that had already been searched, in areas that

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Speaker 10: he felt would be.

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Speaker 4: Good to search.

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Speaker 10: Other areas were just kind of triangulating from the last

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Speaker 10: known location of the young man at his home and

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Speaker 10: trying to figure out some places he would have been

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Speaker 10: easy for him to walk to, places that he frequented.

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Speaker 10: Before we knew that there were some places that he

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Speaker 10: liked to visit, but from what his mother said, he

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Speaker 10: didn't have a history of wandering off without telling anybody. So,

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Speaker 10: you know, we wanted to make sure that we were

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Speaker 10: searching every nook and cranny that we could to find

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Speaker 10: this boy.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about that retention pond? There

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Speaker 2: were reports a dog had hit on the retention pond.

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Speaker 2: The pond was drained and nothing was found. Do I

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Speaker 2: have that correct?

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Speaker 10: I don't have any information with regards to that. I

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Speaker 10: know there's been a lot of confusion about when dogs

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Speaker 10: hit and wear and things like that. We go with

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Speaker 10: the information that we have at the time. My understanding

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Speaker 10: is that pond was drained and nothing was found there.

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Speaker 10: But Seth might be able to tell you a little

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Speaker 10: bit more about some of the areas that the dogs

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Speaker 10: search closer to the home and if there were confirmed

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Speaker 10: hits or not.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Welcome back everybody, Seth Roger

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Speaker 2: joining us. This is Sebastian Roger's biological father. You can

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Speaker 2: find him at Sebastian Strong. Seth again, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us so much. I mean, when you're searching

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Speaker 2: for a missing child, I like the focus to be

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Speaker 2: on what is being done to find the child? What

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Speaker 2: can we do to help find the child? But instead

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Speaker 2: there's all this controversy surrounding the search for Sebastian, and

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Speaker 2: I find that very odd that people are not pulling

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Speaker 2: together to try to find Sebastia. But that said, can

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Speaker 2: you please shed some light on the search that occurred

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Speaker 2: around the proud Foot home. Did dogs hit on areas

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Speaker 2: around the home.

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Speaker 1: And leading to the retention pond?

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Speaker 5: I was first told by one of the dog handlers

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Speaker 5: that their dog didn't hit on a scent that took

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Speaker 5: them over into the construction area to a retention pond.

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Speaker 5: I was later told by law enforcement that it was

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Speaker 5: a false hit. I was also informed that they searched

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Speaker 5: that pond where the dog went to, and they did

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Speaker 5: not find anything. And I was told that they were

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Speaker 5: going to actually go back and drain that retention pond,

515
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Speaker 5: and they had drivened a separate retention pond.

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Speaker 2: So you think they may have already drained two ponds?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm asking said, is because your ex Miss

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00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: Proudfoot stated that the dog hit and got Sebastian sent

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00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: around the home. Now I'm hearing it didn't. Was that

521
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: hit at the retention pond the false hit or was

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00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: it around their home?

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Speaker 5: I'm being told by law enforcement that the dog hit

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Speaker 5: to the retention poem was a false hit.

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Speaker 2: Do you know of any hit by the dogs around

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Speaker 2: the Proudfoot home at all?

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Speaker 6: Not only outside?

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Speaker 2: Were their hits on the inside? I believe so, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there should have been.

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Speaker 1: Now this is my conundrum, seth.

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Speaker 2: If there are no hits for Sebastian outside the Proudfoot home,

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Speaker 2: that would suggest he did not leave the home. Earlier,

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Speaker 2: I was asking the Proudfoots about their vehicles.

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Speaker 1: Was their make modeling year?

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Speaker 2: To determine if there was a navigation system in those

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Speaker 2: vehicles that could tell me if the vehicles left the

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Speaker 2: home that night.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was getting at.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that yet, but I

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Speaker 2: believe that there were you're telling me you were not

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00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: told of any K nine hit around the home?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: That's critical joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensics psychologists who specializes in forensic psychology,

546
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: capital mitigation, and victim advocacy at Panthermedigation dot com. Doctor Sherry,

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: this search or Sebastian if he is alive he could

548
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: still be saved, but it is degrading into a lot

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Speaker 2: of infighting amongst searchers.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 12: I don't understand it either, and I certainly am no

552
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 12: expert in these kinds of searches. But it doesn't seem

553
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 12: to me that I've ever heard of anything so vitriolic

554
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 12: in the behavior of people searching to find a missing teenager.

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Speaker 12: One of the things that seems to be happening is

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Speaker 12: there seems to be maybe a little bit of territory,

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 12: you know, protecting their territory type thing, wanting maybe.

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Speaker 1: To be the organization got a sherry. Yes, they're out

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the woods. His territory is that

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Speaker 1: no body No.

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Speaker 12: I agree with you one hundred percent, Nancy. The thing is,

562
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Speaker 12: you know, we know now that trolling is a thing.

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Speaker 1: People troll.

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Speaker 12: I don't understand why this situation would attract trolls and

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00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 12: for people to make threats when everybody just wants to

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Speaker 12: find this little boy, preferably alive. It seems to me

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Speaker 12: that people should be jumping into help. So I don't

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00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 12: have an explanation for that, other than that when they

569
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 12: can remain anonymous, relatively anonymous, the trolling seems to increase,

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Speaker 12: but as Brian pointed out earlier, when these people are exposed,

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Speaker 12: all of a sudden they back off because they don't

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Speaker 12: want to be known as trolls.

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Speaker 2: Another question to you, Seth Rogers is a Sebastian's biological

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Speaker 2: father who has been out on foot searching for his son, Seth,

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Speaker 2: did you say you have or have not? Would would

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Speaker 2: not take a polygraph? I would wonderful if I set

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Speaker 2: one up for you? Will you take the polygraph?

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00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Maam okay?

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Speaker 2: Because you know I will hold this against you if

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Speaker 2: you then don't take the polygraph?

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00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: Right?

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00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: You understand that?

584
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: Weird?

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00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Because I want to know where everybody really was that night.

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Speaker 2: For instance, if mister Proudfoot was where he says he is,

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00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: says he was at work near Memphis, I believe he.

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Speaker 1: Would have been in his RV. Is that you're understanding, Seth?

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00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 6: That would be my understanding.

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00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: So if you're at an RV park and I've been

591
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Speaker 2: in a lot of them with the twins and my husband,

592
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: they are covered in security cams, where's the security footage?

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Did he leave? Did he go home? I don't know?

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00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: Has his RV been seized? Has it been processed. This

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00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: does not mean at all that he had anything to

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: do with Sebastia's disappearance. This is part of a thorough investigation.

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00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Question.

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00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Did Sebastian know how to swim?

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 6: Yes, mah, my son was like a fish.

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00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: Interesting, like a fish, he can walk? Okay, good to know.

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00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: We've had a lot of questions about that.

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00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: I have a question for Seth.

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00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: Please jump in and remember, guys, we're not having high

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00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: tea at Windsor Castle. I don't know how many times

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00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: he got to tell you this. We're not with Charles

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: and Camilla. So jump in.

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: You're hearing Lauren Colin go ahead, Lauren, yes. Sex.

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Speaker 3: So we've heard law enforcement state many times that all

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Speaker 3: the parents are cooperating to me, and this is not

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00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: the same thing as being ruled out as a suspect.

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00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Has law enforcement directly said to you we are ruling

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00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: you out as a suspect or we are looking at

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00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 3: someone else as a suspect. I'm just curious the difference there.

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: And they've told me that we're all suspects. We're all

615
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: suspects until Sebastian is found. This is an open investigation.

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00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 5: So the only way that the investigation would close is

617
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 5: we find Sebastian, and that's my purpose, right.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of the last time I was on

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Speaker 3: this panel and we did ask Chris Proudfoot about the

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Speaker 3: United Casian Navy. His words exactly were when they were

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Speaker 3: at a restaurant and Katie was on the phone. He said, quote,

622
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Speaker 3: my wife was on the phone with the Cajun Navy

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Speaker 3: and that's how they were brought in. Did you happen

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Speaker 3: to hear him say that.

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Speaker 6: I've heard that, he said, then, okay, and that is

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Speaker 6: not true at all.

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Speaker 1: This is all you.

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Speaker 3: I've seen your mother post about this. I've seen the

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Speaker 3: Cajun Navy post about you. I just heard Brian, So

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Speaker 3: that is false.

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Speaker 5: From my understanding, they're the ones that I reached out

632
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: to them. They were trying to get a hold of me.

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 5: I had somebody get a phone number so I could

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Speaker 5: turn around and speak to mister Tarul and I called

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Speaker 5: him up on his personal cell phone.

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Speaker 1: That's todd Okay, got it.

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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: And then the last thing was that everybody wants to

638
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: know the picture with Sebastian without the glasses. You asked

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Speaker 3: for that to be photoshopped so people could see what

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00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: he looked like without glasses, just in case those are

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Speaker 3: possibly his.

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Speaker 2: That is correct, Yes, ma'am joining me right now a

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00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: special guest, Courtney Last key Board certified behavior analyst, Autism Expert,

644
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: Chief clinical officer with Little Art Therapy Service. Courtney, thank

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00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: you for being with us. I understand, and of course

646
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: deeth correct me if I'm wrong that Sebastian suffered six

647
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Q twenty seven chromosomal deletion disorder. What is that and

648
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: how would that affect him being lost right now?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So, anytime we have a chromosomal deletion syndrome, we

650
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Speaker 13: can think of it as an umbrella term. Our chromosomes

651
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 13: act as codes in our behavior the way we develop

652
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 13: with his specific deletion of the six Q twenty seven chromosome,

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Speaker 13: the symptoms related to that, Even though it is rare,

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Speaker 13: it does associate with intellectual disabilities, so we would see

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Speaker 13: the symptomology of autism spectrum disorders. But suddenly it also

656
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 13: is associated with a higher risk of seizures and possible

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00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 13: heart defects. It's very, very worrisome that Sebastian might have

658
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 13: those symptoms and be gone for so long without medical care.

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Speaker 2: How would that affect him now if he is out

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00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: there and if he's still alive and lost.

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00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 13: Yes, anytime we have that intellectual disability symptoms related to autism,

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Speaker 13: we know that those social skills are communication, which not

663
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 13: only is our expressive language, but it's also our receptive

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Speaker 13: what we're understanding, how we're processing the environment around us.

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Speaker 13: He may be struggling with understanding what is happening, what

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Speaker 13: he should do in different circumstances. I am so glad

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Speaker 13: to hear mister Rogers saying that he swims like a fish,

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Speaker 13: because we do know that ninety one percent of autistic children,

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Speaker 13: that is the highest risk of death for them is drowning.

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Speaker 13: It's scary, so we need that processing. He has probably

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Speaker 13: a delayed sense of danger and understanding what is dangerous

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Speaker 13: in certain circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to stop for just one Mom

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Speaker 2: you're hearing Courtney Laski, who's an autism expert. What if,

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Speaker 2: what if he's still alive, what if he's being held

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Speaker 2: against his will? Will what if he's being sex assaulted

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Speaker 2: day after day after day.

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Speaker 13: I have a strong hope that he is alive. I

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Speaker 13: have a strong strong hope that he is doing everything

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Speaker 13: he can to process the situation around him. We know

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Speaker 13: that any experience outside of his normal routine.

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Speaker 12: Is going to be traumatic.

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Speaker 13: He will come away from this situation with definite phobias,

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Speaker 13: more extreme rigid rigidity in his routines, and just the

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Speaker 13: inability possibly to communicate what has happened to him.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to Seth, Roger, Seth, I

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Speaker 2: have so many questions for you, but we're running out

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Speaker 2: of our time together for today. But I want to

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Speaker 2: ask you this. I was listening to a statement of

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Speaker 2: one of mister Proudfoot's wives. I believe there have been five.

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Speaker 2: I'm not judging. I don't care who Mary s Auy

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Speaker 2: or doesn't Mary who. But this particular one named Nina,

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Speaker 2: stated that they had two children, once she had from

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Speaker 2: a prior relationship, the second she had with him, and

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Speaker 2: that the daughter had braces and he hit the daughter

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Speaker 2: in the mouth and busted her mouth. Guys, remember mister

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Speaker 2: Prowfoot nor the mother have been named a suspect or

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Speaker 2: a POI in this case. My question to you said,

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Speaker 2: did you know about any of that? I mean, she's

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Speaker 2: on tape saying it. I watched her say it. Did

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Speaker 2: you have any idea that there may have been other

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Speaker 2: issues of violence with children?

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Speaker 5: No, man, I didn't. And I know that Chris has

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Speaker 5: been in Sebastian's life for a while now, before me

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Speaker 5: and Katie were divorced.

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Speaker 2: Sebastian ever said to you or tried to communicate to

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Speaker 2: you abuse in the home.

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Speaker 5: No, He's on multiple occasions set there and.

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Speaker 6: Told me he doesn't want to go back. And I've

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Speaker 6: asked him, why don't you want to go back? And

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Speaker 6: he won't. He wouldn't tell me. He didn't say why.

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Speaker 5: He was just like, I just don't want to go back,

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Speaker 5: and it's you know, at that point in time, I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm just like, Okay, well, maybe it's the freedom that

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Speaker 5: he gets at my house. And he's a teenager, right,

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Speaker 5: and now I'm finding out a lot of this stuff,

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Speaker 5: and it's told.

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Speaker 2: Me, guys, won't you help us find Sebastian one eight

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Speaker 2: hundred TB I find one eight hundred eight two four

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Speaker 2: three four six three. Let's pause now and remember an

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Speaker 2: American hero, Jonathan Diller, just thirty one years old, shot

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Speaker 2: during a routine traffic stop New York from a long

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Speaker 2: line of Law Enforce Horsemont and Jonathan, a recent father,

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Speaker 2: leaving behind his beautiful wife, Stephanie, and one year old

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Speaker 2: baby boy, Ryan Jonathan Diller, American Hero. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank all of our guests, but especially thanks to you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,