WEBVTT - What are urban explorers?

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should Know?

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<v Speaker 1>From house Stuffworks dot Com? Hey, you welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Chuck. Say Hi, Hi Josh. This is stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know. You put chucking eye together in a

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<v Speaker 1>room and press record and you get stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know just like that. Yeah, we should put like a

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<v Speaker 1>star twinkle in there, um Chuck. Yes, Josh. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever passed by, like an old store or something like

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<v Speaker 1>that and you you just felt drawn to go look

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<v Speaker 1>in the window, just kind of peer in it. An

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<v Speaker 1>old store that's closed down, like yeah, exactly, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>an old unused store of some sort, like an old

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store, and you look inside and really it's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, you know, some pillars that hold the

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling up, maybe, if you're lucky, a couple of shelving units. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about it, right, I do. I'll get into this

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<v Speaker 1>little later, but I'm way, way, way turned on by

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<v Speaker 1>this subject. We're gonna be talking about this. I'm way

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<v Speaker 1>into it and I've done it turned on. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sure intellectually, okay, I guess yeah, it's like that's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing to be turned but have you ever Okay, well, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>my holy intros just shot, let's talk about urban explorers.

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<v Speaker 1>So sorry to derail. You know, you're fine, You're fine. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so we're talking about urban exploration. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>let's just give a little background here, a little definition

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<v Speaker 1>right here. Well, urban explorers are people that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>always have to be urban meaning city. It's basically when

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<v Speaker 1>you go and explore any abandoned structure, almost always abandoned,

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<v Speaker 1>almost always abandoned structure, and you see what's there. There's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some ground rules. You know, you're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>take anything. No, there's some real codes of conduct that

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<v Speaker 1>that have cropped up that are like really strict. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>basically you got urban exploration really kind of starting in

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<v Speaker 1>earnest in the nineteen seventies right there in the San Francisco. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this group called Suicide Club and I'm not entirely certain,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think kan Kisi was a member um and

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<v Speaker 1>they used to go tour like um old utility tunnels

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<v Speaker 1>and old hospitals and stuff around San Francisco. They also

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<v Speaker 1>used to do and I think this is where they

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<v Speaker 1>got their name. UM. During storms they jump into San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco Bay and apparently there was one sea wall that

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<v Speaker 1>had some heavy chains linked to it, so they'd hold

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<v Speaker 1>onto the chaine and just get whipped around by the waves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they did other weird stuff. They had, like dinner parties

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<v Speaker 1>on Golden Gate Bride. Yeah, that was really cool. But

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<v Speaker 1>they they they And also you can even go a

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<v Speaker 1>little further back than that. UM in the fifties, students

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<v Speaker 1>at m I t UM used to tour like underground

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<v Speaker 1>steam tunnels on around campus and everything. But most people

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<v Speaker 1>credit Suicide Club is the people who really started to

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<v Speaker 1>do urban exploration. But it took about twenty years before

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<v Speaker 1>really started to catch on. And so you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and now all of a sudden there's that that

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<v Speaker 1>Code of Conduct, the Code of Ethics, right, which were well,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said before, you're not supposed to take anything.

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<v Speaker 1>What I thought was interesting is, uh, there's an old

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<v Speaker 1>saying with camping and wilderness exploration, which is take only pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>leave only footprints, and it's like that. Yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing with urban explorers. Even though they're

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<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of people would just say they're

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<v Speaker 1>just ratty old buildings. They have a lot of respect

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<v Speaker 1>for it, it it seems like, Yeah, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that they have to contend with. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have homeless people who find these ready old buildings

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<v Speaker 1>to provide shelter. Um. You've got people who I've never

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<v Speaker 1>understood the compulsion to um spraying graffiti, especially when you

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<v Speaker 1>suck at it. I don't know. I've got a can

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<v Speaker 1>of black paint and look I can write it just

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<v Speaker 1>looks awful. Now if you're a graffiti artist, totally different,

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<v Speaker 1>but just spray painting something for the sake of spray painting.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't understand it, Yeah, especially if your tag sucks. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should do it. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>should either work on your tag or just quit altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>Um okay, So uh, they they've got all these other

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<v Speaker 1>people that actually probably kind of give their them a

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<v Speaker 1>bad name urban explorers. And when I say them, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>referring to a vast network of people who are either

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<v Speaker 1>totally independent, loosely or very tightly um knit. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, Yeah, the Internet's really helped, which is probably

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<v Speaker 1>why it started to really take off in the night. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and these people are just like you said, they're drawn

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<v Speaker 1>to uh abandoned or unused or um neglected man made structures,

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<v Speaker 1>right I am. Yeah, but they don't they're not the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who are doing the graffiti. No, that's because that's

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<v Speaker 1>against the code of conduct. They don't break things. You can't. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't use wirecutters to make it past defense that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you certainly can't kick in a door or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. And yeah, if there's like uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>read about one guy who found the Sole Mining Office.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a nineteenth century office and he found

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<v Speaker 1>like these reams of like really personal personnel files, way

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<v Speaker 1>more personal than you I would hope my personnel file is. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And he he just sat there and read them and

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<v Speaker 1>quietly put him back. Um. I think he found some

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<v Speaker 1>X rays and things there too, of like people with

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<v Speaker 1>black long and it just really interesting stuff. But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take anything and put him back where he found him. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's another one too. UM. So all of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff kind of forces you to get creative, right and

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<v Speaker 1>how you get in, how you get in, but also

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you're doing while you're there. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can't take anything to show your friends. That logically leads

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<v Speaker 1>to documenting it. And there are tons. If you go

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<v Speaker 1>on a flicker and type in urban exploration, urban explore,

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<v Speaker 1>urban and anything about urban whatever, as long as I

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with UE, it brings up some really

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff, haven't that? Oh you got to? And of

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<v Speaker 1>course my favorite web site of all time Forgotten Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>which I make look at probably what once a month,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't changed a decade. Um. Yeah, that that's the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing too. It's one of the aspects of urban exploration

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<v Speaker 1>is to document this crumbling present that's actually very much

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<v Speaker 1>rooted in the past, you know. Okay, so what have

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<v Speaker 1>you explored? I'm curious. Well, I don't know when this

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<v Speaker 1>all started, but I was really young and just I

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<v Speaker 1>thought most boys were like this, but I was way

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<v Speaker 1>way into exploring things. Um, my dad's photographer used to

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<v Speaker 1>take my brother and out to the country in Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>to photograph old barns and things, and my brother and

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<v Speaker 1>I would always explore these barns. And that's I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how it started. And there's something about

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<v Speaker 1>a large it actually does. I'm not sure you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably study me clinically because anytime I'm in a large

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<v Speaker 1>empty building, I get really excited. Like it doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to be an old abandoned building. But I've taken

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<v Speaker 1>like a tour like a stadium, let's say, uh, Sanford

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium at U g A when no one else was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and being out there with no one else, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>there's something about it. It just I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 1>thrills me really. Yeah, So I mean, have you gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into this a little more of you taken it to? Well? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was about thirteen or fourteen, Uh, my family

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<v Speaker 1>used to vacation in Florida and Pensacola, Florida, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was an old fort there at the campground called Fort Pickens.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh eighteen forty three is when this thing was built,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in service till about forty seven. And

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<v Speaker 1>we uh made torches just like you see on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>with like the stuff the cloth wrapped around the end

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<v Speaker 1>and the battery there on the beach. You could sneak

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<v Speaker 1>through the bars they're like prison bars. And my brother

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<v Speaker 1>and I did this and we'll explored all these rooms

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<v Speaker 1>and tunnels from like the Civil War. Guys had stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like scratched on the wall and painted on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it like a prison? I don't really know. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually look today to try and find out exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>part of Fort Pickens we were in. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the battery. I don't think it was a prison,

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<v Speaker 1>but they would have the bar, so you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy couldn't get in to their stuff unless they

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<v Speaker 1>were fourteen year old boy enemies. But uh yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>we explored the heck out of Fort Pickens and it

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<v Speaker 1>was really really cool. And then I did it again,

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<v Speaker 1>probably about eight or nine years ago in Atlanta. I

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<v Speaker 1>lived in some warehouses on the west side of Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>and my friend and I got into one that was

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<v Speaker 1>empty and kind of boarded up, and we found all

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<v Speaker 1>these old blueprints for Marta, our subway system here for

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<v Speaker 1>when Marta was first being pitched to the city in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies, and all these old plans and blue prints,

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<v Speaker 1>blueprints and letters and things like that. Yeah. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>way into it. I mean that way into it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not in a club, and I don't do this regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I have done it, I just think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. Do you have a handle? I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a handle. I didn't take anything though, And I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know that was the rules. I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to disturb anything. It sounds like, yeah, so done it

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, and I would do it again at

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<v Speaker 1>the drop of a hat. I mean, if someone know

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<v Speaker 1>of a place, if you called me up on a

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<v Speaker 1>Friday and said, hey, man, I know this empty shopping mall.

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<v Speaker 1>In a second, I'm glad you said chopping malls. There

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<v Speaker 1>was one that um. Actually I want to plug another

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<v Speaker 1>site uh u e R dot c A. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian Urban Exploration and Resources site UM. And they basically

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<v Speaker 1>they allowed people to post, you know, documentation of their

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<v Speaker 1>own exploration. And there was one that I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at in Atlanta. I think I showed you too, of

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<v Speaker 1>the old Evandale mall right near where I grew out.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever did that just did a spectacular um job of

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<v Speaker 1>documenting this mall. It was clearly in it's heyday in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties. Everything's very pestelish. Um. There's like huge mirrors everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. And now it's gone. There's a wall

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<v Speaker 1>right there, which is another point of urban exploration. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as I understand it. You're you're catching a last

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<v Speaker 1>snapshot of um, something before it dies, because we inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>tear just about everything down, and this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping it for posterity, not in its in its form

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, when it was in its in its

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<v Speaker 1>peak or or you know, functioning, but almost like after

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<v Speaker 1>it's aged and right before it dies, you're you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of catching capturing that one last look. Yeah. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's at this point that we should say we

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<v Speaker 1>do not recommend urban exploring because it is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>trespassing and it is illegal. So we're not saying you

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<v Speaker 1>should go out and urban explore it just because your

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<v Speaker 1>friend Chuck ads. Not only that it's very very dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be by definition, a neglected building is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a dangerous place. Um. You know, there's such things

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<v Speaker 1>as building inspectors, but they only inspect functioning buildings. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you take the function out of building, there

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<v Speaker 1>goes to building inspector and you have no idea whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna fall through a floor or you know, um

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<v Speaker 1>have a or fall on you from above, which would

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<v Speaker 1>make it a ceiling. I believe actually someone passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>not too long ago. Was again in Australia. There were

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<v Speaker 1>some kids that were exploring a sewer system and there

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<v Speaker 1>was like a sudden storm and the stormwater just came

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<v Speaker 1>hard and fast swept them off their feet and um

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<v Speaker 1>pinned them against the great where respectitting into the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>and they drowned pinned against this great So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you could can be very dangerous. It can be.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that was a good move, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I think our legal department is really gonna appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't listen to me. Listen to me, but don't do

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<v Speaker 1>what I say. So so, we've talked about shopping walls, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are actual like you know, there's other mundane

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, like, um, an old office building or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Um, there's just if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, if you take people out of a

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<v Speaker 1>building and leave it there for ten years, anything's interesting, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's also some like destination spots for been exploration, like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard of a Danver State Hospital? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen the movie Session nine? I have you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>Session nine? Yeah? I've brought that up in another person

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever I've ever met who saw Session yea. I

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<v Speaker 1>brought that up for our asbestos article because it's an

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<v Speaker 1>asbestos team in the movie that's going to this abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>mental hospital. Very creepy movie. Yeah, yeah, it is very

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<v Speaker 1>very creepy. But that's that's filmed that danvers Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's another place that's in Massachusetts and it's an abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>insane This island Um, which is just creepy enough. But

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is huge old Gothic architecture brick. I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to walk through that place. Well, there is one

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<v Speaker 1>that's similar that you could walk through, which actually technically

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<v Speaker 1>takes it off of any urban exploration list because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things is that it has to be off

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<v Speaker 1>limits to truly be urban exploration. Um. There's a place

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<v Speaker 1>called Waverley Hills in Kentucky. It's a tubercular the sanatorium

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was around for thirty or forty

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<v Speaker 1>years and in that period of time, sixty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>died there. Yeah, it was bad. They have like this

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<v Speaker 1>little morgue um that's still they're the White Child. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like hospital like old time hospital, gurneys everywhere, old timey wheelchairs.

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<v Speaker 1>It is beyond creepy and that's actually open for tours.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a couple that either brought it or

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<v Speaker 1>bought the rights to give tours there. So Waverly Hills

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<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky would be a good place to go if

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<v Speaker 1>you're into that. I love it. I think part of

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<v Speaker 1>it as to do with being scared. I like that feeling. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exhilarating feeling to be somewhat frightened. I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>scared out of my wits or anything. I don't like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's something about an element of danger, being scared

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<v Speaker 1>and being some large, dark place alone that just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I get a kick out of it. I agree. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you and your brother take your own advice. Be careful

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<v Speaker 1>if you gonna do it, and if you did, don't

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<v Speaker 1>say that we told you to do it. Okay. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's urban exploration. Uh. And this is listener mail. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, what do you have for us, Josh, have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of quick corrections this week. We're not always right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a lie. We did the best we can

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<v Speaker 1>with facts, but sometimes we think of things on the

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<v Speaker 1>fly and don't exactly have another fingertips. So we have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of corrections in our podcast about which one

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<v Speaker 1>was it with the magic bullets? Where was it? Where's

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<v Speaker 1>the best place to get shot? Kennedy? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned that you thought it was a senator

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<v Speaker 1>who was shot with JFK and Dallas and of course

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. And you should have known this one, uh

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Governor John Connelly, who was actually in the car

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Why should I have known that one? Because

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<v Speaker 1>it's that was a big event in our nation's history.

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<v Speaker 1>But wow, I'm not scolding you, but I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>it either, So what am I saying? And who is

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<v Speaker 1>that from? That was from Dave Barton? Thanks to Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Carrie Clinger, who was a dentist here in

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<v Speaker 1>atlant Anna actually says she wanted to comment on the

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<v Speaker 1>inconsistency with the one about the f d A and

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<v Speaker 1>herbal substance regulation. We compared tile and all over the counter,

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<v Speaker 1>taile and all the time, all three which you need

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<v Speaker 1>a prescription to get. And the reason you need a

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<v Speaker 1>prescription is because time all three is regular thailing, all

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<v Speaker 1>with codeine added, which is a narcotic. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even remember saying that can we play the clip

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<v Speaker 1>real quick exactly, like, think about how you perceived tile

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<v Speaker 1>and all, and then how you perceived tile and all. Three.

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<v Speaker 1>That's stuff with Cody, right, which is pretty much like

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<v Speaker 1>Migrants of Taile at all, think something like that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>from Carrie Clinger, And like I said, she's a dentist,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, it's not a matter of a difference

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<v Speaker 1>in dosage. It's a much different drug with a narcotic

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and so it's subject to regulation. And she

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<v Speaker 1>says that she prescribes it whenever she takes a tooth out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm actually in the market for a dentist, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm look, I've got one for you. Well, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Carrie Clinger here in Atlanta. Okay, get

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<v Speaker 1>some coding. That's that's awestuff. You're med seeking. You realize, Oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in case I need it, in case at a

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<v Speaker 1>tooth out. Have you noticed we're huge in the dental community.

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<v Speaker 1>That's two letters from Dennis. Yeah, that's weird. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to Carrie Clinger and uh Dave, thanks Dave

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