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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should Know?

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Speaker 1: From house Stuffworks dot Com? Hey, you welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Chuck. Say Hi, Hi Josh. This is stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know. You put chucking eye together in a

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Speaker 1: room and press record and you get stuff you should

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Speaker 1: know just like that. Yeah, we should put like a

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Speaker 1: star twinkle in there, um Chuck. Yes, Josh. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever passed by, like an old store or something like

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Speaker 1: an old unused store of some sort, like an old

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Speaker 1: grocery store, and you look inside and really it's just

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Speaker 1: ceiling up, maybe, if you're lucky, a couple of shelving units. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's about it, right, I do. I'll get into this

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Speaker 1: this subject. We're gonna be talking about this. I'm way

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Speaker 1: into it and I've done it turned on. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: sure intellectually, okay, I guess yeah, it's like that's a

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Speaker 1: weird thing to be turned but have you ever Okay, well, wow,

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Speaker 1: my holy intros just shot, let's talk about urban explorers.

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Speaker 1: So sorry to derail. You know, you're fine, You're fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: So okay, so we're talking about urban exploration. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: let's just give a little background here, a little definition

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Speaker 1: right here. Well, urban explorers are people that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: always have to be urban meaning city. It's basically when

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Speaker 1: you go and explore any abandoned structure, almost always abandoned,

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Speaker 1: almost always abandoned structure, and you see what's there. There's uh,

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Speaker 1: there's some ground rules. You know, you're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: take anything. No, there's some real codes of conduct that

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Speaker 1: basically you got urban exploration really kind of starting in

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Speaker 1: earnest in the nineteen seventies right there in the San Francisco. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this group called Suicide Club and I'm not entirely certain,

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Speaker 1: Code of Conduct, the Code of Ethics, right, which were well,

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Speaker 1: like I said before, you're not supposed to take anything.

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Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting is, uh, there's an old

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing with urban explorers. Even though they're

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Speaker 1: looks awful. Now if you're a graffiti artist, totally different,

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Speaker 1: Um okay, So uh, they they've got all these other

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Speaker 1: is to document this crumbling present that's actually very much

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Speaker 1: was an old fort there at the campground called Fort Pickens.

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Speaker 1: it's a dangerous place. Um. You know, there's such things

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