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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 4: May the Second be with you, m m yes, yes,
Speaker 4: and may the June be with you as well. Before
Speaker 4: we do anything, Just for fun, I'd love to share
Speaker 4: my favorite headline of the recent news.
Speaker 2: Are you guys ready?
Speaker 5: Oh man, so ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Uranus emits more heat than previously thought.
Speaker 5: Thanks buddy, that's really sweet. Oh that was a headline.
Speaker 5: I thought you were I thought you were giving me
Speaker 5: a compliment about my anus.
Speaker 2: No, I don't really think about your button. That's okay,
Speaker 2: I know I know, but I thought that would I
Speaker 2: thought that would be a fun way for us to begin.
Speaker 2: It is true that our pal Ken Croswell wrote one
Speaker 2: of the best recent headlines when reporting uh with sciencenews
Speaker 2: dot org that uranus emits more energy than it gets
Speaker 2: from the sun, according to too legitimate scientific papers.
Speaker 6: So I feel like we're kind of entering a new
Speaker 6: golden age of headline writing. I feel like headlines have
Speaker 6: been pretty fire in the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Well, we also are as a civilization reading more headlines
Speaker 2: now than ever before, and it can be difficult to
Speaker 2: parse through the AI slop, the genuine journalism and the
Speaker 2: fake news. Sometimes you don't know what you're really supposed
Speaker 2: to be looking for. Just like that guy who got
Speaker 2: drunk and spent hours helping a search team look for himself.
Speaker 2: That's a true story as well.
Speaker 5: That's somewhere's waldo right there. I don't know why. That's
Speaker 5: just that's really funny.
Speaker 6: I could picture that being a plot of like a
Speaker 6: far side comic or something.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: This is Behan Mutlu by the way, a fifty year
Speaker 2: old resident of Turkey. He accidentally joined his own search
Speaker 2: party out after a night of drinking alcohol out in
Speaker 2: the woods with his buddies. Now, right now, as of
Speaker 2: our time recording, we cannot confirm whether he participated in
Speaker 2: that massive cannabis burn or whether this was an unrelated event.
Speaker 2: We're gonna learn.
Speaker 6: Did we determine whether the spelling out of the city
Speaker 6: was AI slop and misinformation or whether or not that
Speaker 6: actually happened.
Speaker 5: I think we all did happen. Oh wow, hey, weird man.
Speaker 6: Really, it really is hard to know the truth these things,
Speaker 6: because sometimes the truth is weirder than fiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, stranger than fiction. Indeed, we are going to explore
Speaker 2: some UFOs. We're going to talk about our friends at
Speaker 2: the company. We've got to talk about chat gpt, Abercrombie Fitch,
Speaker 2: our friends that can. But before we do any of that,
Speaker 2: we're gonna pause and let our sponsors give us their
Speaker 2: two sets or their nickel. We'll see why that's funny
Speaker 2: later and we're back. You guys know how I hate
Speaker 2: metal like I fear it and I can't touch it.
Speaker 6: Same as the way I feel about birds. Buddy, we're
Speaker 6: the same.
Speaker 2: And we have talked in the past. I remember many
Speaker 2: years ago, Matt, you and I were pitching the idea
Speaker 2: of making a video about abolishing the penny. When's the
Speaker 2: last time anybody here paid for something with a penny?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of those gas station change situations, and
Speaker 6: then you end up putting in that take a penny,
Speaker 6: leave a penny thing.
Speaker 5: It just seems like a zero sum game.
Speaker 6: So I will say I I'm all reserved for when
Speaker 6: you drop the drop the headline, but not ever.
Speaker 3: I would say I've been given a penny as change
Speaker 3: when I pay for something with cash fairly recently, but
Speaker 3: I have never used it to purchase something.
Speaker 2: All right, now, when and let's paint the picture here,
Speaker 2: guys and tennessee, we want to hear from you as well.
Speaker 2: If you are walking along the street on any given
Speaker 2: Sunday night and you see a change on the sidewalk,
Speaker 2: do you pick it up?
Speaker 5: Well, all day long, you'll have good luck if you do.
Speaker 6: I think that's in one purpose that a penny serves,
Speaker 6: wishing well fodder and good luck charms picked up off
Speaker 6: the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: Jillan says, only if the penny is heads up, Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: good note.
Speaker 3: That's what I was taught. If it's heads up, you're
Speaker 3: good to go. If it's not, leave it where it
Speaker 3: is just in case.
Speaker 2: Does that, Matt, Does that apply to other species of
Speaker 2: coin for you as well?
Speaker 3: Yes, any any coin you find on the ground, if
Speaker 3: it is heads up, it is waiting for you. If
Speaker 3: it is heads down.
Speaker 5: It portends ill things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, best thing to do is pick it up off
Speaker 3: the ground, put it somewhere where it's going to be
Speaker 3: easily noticeable to somebody else, and send it down heads up.
Speaker 3: That way, they've got.
Speaker 2: Hey, look at that, nice man, And hopefully that kind
Speaker 2: of care for one's fellow humans will continue. However, the
Speaker 2: penny may become a little bit of a collector's item,
Speaker 2: as the US Treasury Department has recently announced it will
Speaker 2: phase out the production of new pennies, so shiny new
Speaker 2: pennies are no longer going to be a thing. The
Speaker 2: current presidential administration asked the Treasury Department to stop producing
Speaker 2: this coin. We want to thank Bill Hutchinson over at
Speaker 2: ABC News for the report here. Also, just honestly, pennies
Speaker 2: don't make sense.
Speaker 6: No, I fully support this administration's position on the penny.
Speaker 6: If you've seen the new Final Destination movie, you know
Speaker 6: that a penny can cause true bedlumon Havock.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, and I'm not apologizing for the
Speaker 2: pennies don't make sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pennies from Heaven Bank a jazz song. It just
Speaker 6: seems like an old timey thing. And I've heard for
Speaker 6: years that it costs more to make a penny than
Speaker 6: it worked, than it's worth in spending power.
Speaker 3: We have also heard the same as one of the
Speaker 3: reasons we wanted to make that video way back in
Speaker 3: the day. Just how much does it cost to make
Speaker 3: a penny? And does it make as you said, Ben tense?
Speaker 2: Does it make zke? Have you thought about the zinke?
Speaker 6: Certainly not made of copper anymore pure, right, because that's
Speaker 6: an expensive resource. It's some sort of alloy, right, or
Speaker 6: some sort of combination of metal zinc.
Speaker 5: It is zinc, Thank you, sorry, taken your meat?
Speaker 2: Oh jeez. According to the US Treasury Department, the cost
Speaker 2: of producing a single penny has more than doubled over
Speaker 2: the past decade, from one point three vents to three
Speaker 2: point six nine cents in twenty twenty four. So currently,
Speaker 2: thanks to a bunch of factors here, it costs the
Speaker 2: better part of a nickel to make a single penny. Obviously,
Speaker 2: without ourselves being treasury eggheads and boffins, we have to
Speaker 2: point out that the cost of production is not the
Speaker 2: same thing as value utility. Right, So how many times
Speaker 2: do you does a penny get used to transmit, you know,
Speaker 2: monetary value of what point do you break even do
Speaker 2: you get into the black ink?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, because yeah, hyperinflation overtakes the US
Speaker 3: dollars to where it's worth less than a penny, and
Speaker 3: now pennies replaced the dollar as the primary currency.
Speaker 5: Like caps in the Fallout world.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And interesting you would say this, Matt. It costs the
Speaker 2: Bureau of engraving and printing three point two cents currently
Speaker 2: a value to print a one dollar bill what we
Speaker 2: would call folding money in Tennessee. That is less than
Speaker 2: it that's less than the cost of making a penny.
Speaker 2: We are as a country way behind on this one.
Speaker 2: You know, Canada got rid of the penny. I believe
Speaker 2: several other countries have done so as well. Perhaps it's
Speaker 2: a shift to digital currency, like I know, not not
Speaker 2: everybody pays for stuff with cash these days. I do,
Speaker 2: but I'm eldrich, so there may be there may be
Speaker 2: a better demographic, Noel Matt, when's the last time you,
Speaker 2: guys paid for something with cash?
Speaker 6: I took out a bunch of cash when I was
Speaker 6: in Germany because a lot of like junk sales and
Speaker 6: things that are funding too like to take cash. But
Speaker 6: typically most everyone has the point of sales have gotten
Speaker 6: like so easy to just installing your phone and with
Speaker 6: RFID tapping ability like device to device, it's just kind
Speaker 6: of a no brainer.
Speaker 5: So it's I think the cost of doing that has become.
Speaker 6: So low that there are very few places now that
Speaker 6: will only accept cash. And it does seem like sometimes
Speaker 6: when places will only accept cash, it means they're like
Speaker 6: covering something up a little bit, or they're trying to
Speaker 6: avoid paying something.
Speaker 3: Every time I go to a restaurant, which is very often.
Speaker 2: Love it. Yeah, and we want to hear your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the penny on physical currency overall, So hit us
Speaker 2: up at conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com right now. I
Speaker 2: want to do a quick pull with a very small
Speaker 2: sample size.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 2: I'm going to read us some headlines and tell me
Speaker 2: which one sounds the most interesting for our purposes tonight, Ready,
Speaker 2: m California mother who was kidnapped and forced to rob
Speaker 2: a bank is painted as a criminal in court. That's
Speaker 2: one going she was forced to do so by someone else. Next,
Speaker 2: one former police chief has escaped from an Arkansas prison
Speaker 2: where he was incarcerated on convictions of murder and sexual assault. Okay,
Speaker 2: the Belgians have been accused of stealing wind from the Dutch.
Speaker 5: There's a fart joking there somewhere.
Speaker 2: There, definitely is. We know that Harvard is beefed up
Speaker 2: with the United States government. We also know that Russian
Speaker 2: lawmakers have declared war on Shrek. And there's some food
Speaker 2: coloring that turns mice transparent.
Speaker 3: That's the one.
Speaker 2: Fine, all right, let's go to that one. So it
Speaker 2: turns out that they're is so weird, all right. So
Speaker 2: there is a food coloring that is common in things
Speaker 2: some of us may be eating in the crowd tonight,
Speaker 2: like Cheetos and Doritos. Let's go to Katie Hunt, who
Speaker 2: published this a while back. Actually, so this is news
Speaker 2: to us, but it is not fresh baked news. It's
Speaker 2: just a great headline. There is a commonly used food
Speaker 2: coloring that is found in you know, Cheetos, Doritos, tortilla chips,
Speaker 2: candy corn. If anybody eats that, and if you distribute
Speaker 2: this in the correct way or an evil way, tarturesine
Speaker 2: can turn mice transparent. It can make their skin translucent
Speaker 2: such that, you know, just like those weird little amphibians,
Speaker 2: you can see their internal organs at work sea monkeys.
Speaker 3: Oh, Ben, I just I'm seeing pictures of what you're
Speaker 3: talking about here on the CNN article.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's probably good for
Speaker 5: educational purposes. You have to dissect them. You can just
Speaker 5: point to the organs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is strange. It's cool science. But it
Speaker 2: also makes me wonder whether people should have transparent skin. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Probably don't think has got intended well, I mean for real,
Speaker 3: not kidding it. Sure, Look it wouldn't be nice esthetically
Speaker 3: right for walking around, especially better in times. Probably not.
Speaker 6: It might be a body mod Some people would dig.
Speaker 6: You know, that community goes for some wild stuff.
Speaker 3: But I do think you're somewhat right. Like imagine going
Speaker 3: to the doctor and just saying, all right, well check
Speaker 3: me out. What do we got going on?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe Big X ray has stopped all research
Speaker 2: into transparent skin.
Speaker 5: You need it to be temporary and reversible.
Speaker 6: You know that. Let's just put that out there, the
Speaker 6: bar to be perma transparent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it would be a very unfun failure at
Speaker 2: the superpower of invisibility. That's right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: You can't see me? No, I can't. I can see
Speaker 5: like all of you. I wish it to you.
Speaker 2: But also, in a period of time when humans love
Speaker 2: to navel gaze, I think some people would go for
Speaker 2: transparent skin just so they could look deeper into themselves.
Speaker 5: Or just as a flex level.
Speaker 2: They're just as a flex Yeah, we've we're running through
Speaker 2: headlights here. Want to keep our timing tight. We do
Speaker 2: have one more thing. Oh also, guys, tell us your superpower.
Speaker 2: Thank you for beping me, Dylan, what is the weirdest superpower?
Speaker 2: Do you actually have an extraordinary ability? Are you listening
Speaker 2: to this? With translucent skin? Right now? Oh? Man? Right
Speaker 2: to us. Here's here's something we wanted to do. As
Speaker 2: a segue. We know that weird unanimous here on stuff.
Speaker 2: They don't want you to know that transparent or translucent
Speaker 2: skin is probably not a big win for human beings.
Speaker 2: It is what we could call an undesirable trait. But
Speaker 2: yet this there's another undesirable trait that one of the
Speaker 2: world's most powerful intelligence agencies considers a big win, a
Speaker 2: true superpower. This goes out to all our fellow entities
Speaker 2: with anxiety. The CIA thinks you are cool. The CIA
Speaker 2: considers anxiety or hypervigilance, as some would say, to be
Speaker 2: a genuine asset.
Speaker 6: Man, It's interesting because anxiety, I mean, I guess it
Speaker 6: can be like a positive trait if you're using it
Speaker 6: to you know, govern your discipline and sort of promote
Speaker 6: like efficiency, I guess, But past a certain point it
Speaker 6: can be debilitating. So it seems like they want that
Speaker 6: sweet spot of anxiety, right mm hm.
Speaker 2: As somebody who scored disturbingly high on the Dark Triad
Speaker 2: the one time I didn't lie on that test, I
Speaker 2: immediately question the motives of the CIA, the former CIA employees,
Speaker 2: if indeed they are former claiming this. We go to
Speaker 2: Andrew Bustamante, former covert CIA intelligence officer also USAF, and
Speaker 2: he talks about the following advantages of anxiety. He says, quote,
Speaker 2: anxiety is a superpower through the eyes of the CIA.
Speaker 2: Anxiety keeps you alive, Anxiety keeps you sharp, Anxiety keeps
Speaker 2: you learning. It keeps you attentive.
Speaker 5: It is a good thing, right to a point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a diminishing return at some point. Right, completely agree.
Speaker 5: It's a weird way of looking at.
Speaker 2: It, Like you can't you can't treat every situation you
Speaker 2: go into as hostile, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Some people do, It's for sure, it's it's yeah.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Busmant's argument is that when people have or when people
Speaker 2: qualify for the CIA, and in addition to passing that
Speaker 2: high bar, they also have a lot of anxiety. They
Speaker 2: have in the age sees opinion heightened observational skills. They're
Speaker 2: more attentive, more suspicious, They're less about themselves and more
Speaker 2: about the outside world. That's the idea. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's a bit of a broad brush.
Speaker 6: It has got to be another thing to call it though, right,
Speaker 6: Like it seems like those things don't have to be
Speaker 6: they're then diagram, but they're not the same thing. Like
Speaker 6: when you get into full blow and anxiety, and I've
Speaker 6: known people that have this, people in my family, Like
Speaker 6: it makes it where you can't pay attention, where you
Speaker 6: can't focus, you absolutely lose all sense of reality sometimes
Speaker 6: because it's so incredibly stressful and debilitating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the word you're looking for is hyper vigilance. That's
Speaker 2: what that's what they're calling. That's I mean. But it
Speaker 2: seems as though we're hearing stuff anecdotally. I have not
Speaker 2: found any reviewed CIA condoned studies saying, you know, anxiety
Speaker 2: is fantastic and that worries me, da da. And with
Speaker 2: that went a little overtime. But we're not gonna be
Speaker 2: anxious about it because we're instead excited to share some
Speaker 2: other news related to the CIA. Right after a word
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Speaker 6: And we returned, and then I'm gonna get to that
Speaker 6: CIA story.
Speaker 5: ET's before the break, but first.
Speaker 6: Since yeah, but first, you just rattled off some some
Speaker 6: very of our time headlines. We've been talking about headlines
Speaker 6: and I wanted to read one. This one is a
Speaker 6: total bummer. But I cannot think of a more like
Speaker 6: American sounding headline that represents our current weird zeitgeist than
Speaker 6: this barefoot NYC crypto torture victim begs cop for help
Speaker 6: after fleeing cap shocking video shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's more.
Speaker 6: There's other stories covering this, and here's some other versions
Speaker 6: of this headline. Crypto Investor allegedly tortured captive Italian businessman
Speaker 6: with a chainsaw for weeks in luxe NYC pad in
Speaker 6: sadistic scheme to gain password colon sources. What yeah, yes, sir.
Speaker 6: This guy being referred to as the Crypto King of Kentucky.
Speaker 5: Know that was the title, but there we go.
Speaker 6: This guy named John Waltz is being charged by police
Speaker 6: for kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment, assault, and weapons possession. That is
Speaker 6: after a captive of his, an Italian crypto millionaire who
Speaker 6: is visiting I guess the United.
Speaker 5: States, escaped his captors, who was Walls.
Speaker 6: Who had a couple of co conspirators as well, and
Speaker 6: you know, ran to seek help from this soho townhouse
Speaker 6: there in New York. This footage showing this this this
Speaker 6: barefoot man literally looking for anyone, flagging down, anyone that
Speaker 6: will help him shows, according to BC News, shows the
Speaker 6: Battern Bitcoin Trader, a guy named Michael Valentino tef Frosto
Speaker 6: carturin shoeless and dressed as he runs up to an
Speaker 6: NYPD traffic cop after fleeing the Prince Street House of
Speaker 6: Horrors is what it's being referred to by the New
Speaker 6: York post where he was allegedly held and brutalized for
Speaker 6: his crypto password that included electric shocks, being pistol whipped.
Speaker 6: The chainsaw thing is the first time I've seen that
Speaker 6: in this particular headline. I did not see what they
Speaker 6: did tunhem with that. But you know, we don't need
Speaker 6: to get into detail. It just seems like, really you
Speaker 6: need the crypto that bad guy, like I just it
Speaker 6: just seems like it we got a greed problem here
Speaker 6: in this country.
Speaker 3: It sounds like maybe they saw the movie Scarface and
Speaker 3: were inspired. Wasn't that the movie where there's a saw
Speaker 3: in the bathroom the chainsaw?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, there's a chainsaw scene in a apartment
Speaker 6: there in Miami early in the movie.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's pretty brutal. It's a good point.
Speaker 6: Another co conspirator, who was identified as a person adventest
Speaker 6: potential co conspirator, William Duplessi, surrendered to police for questioning
Speaker 6: on Tuesday of this week. So story to follow. Y'all
Speaker 6: definitely interested in more detail. But it sounds to me
Speaker 6: like just a case of pure sadistic, psychopathic greed. That's
Speaker 6: really all I could chalk it up to at this point.
Speaker 6: So we'll move past that bummer. I just thought that
Speaker 6: headline was very uniquely. Now to the story that Ben
Speaker 6: teased a fabulous piece in tech Spot that reposts some
Speaker 6: really cool work by four oh four Media, which is
Speaker 6: a fabulous kind of tech forward investigative site that I've
Speaker 6: just recently kind of discovered, and they were doing some
Speaker 6: great work. The CIA used a Star Wars fan website
Speaker 6: to secretly communicate with spies. I'm just gonna read a
Speaker 6: little bit from the piece by Zoe Amad on.
Speaker 5: Tech Spot through the looking Glass.
Speaker 6: The Internet has seen its fair share of weird, but
Speaker 6: a Star Wars fan site secretly run by the CIA
Speaker 6: to communicate with overseas spies might top the list. Star
Speaker 6: Wars web dot net, which is the most wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically the New York Times.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 6: Looked like any other twenty ten era fan page, complete
Speaker 6: with lightsabers, yoda quotes, lego ads, and hyped up mentions
Speaker 6: of games like Battlefront two and The Force Unleashed too.
Speaker 6: But behind that nostalgic facade, and by the way, looking
Speaker 6: at a screenshot of this website, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: This is twenty ten.
Speaker 6: It still looks like a Geocity site, like it's the
Speaker 6: text and everything.
Speaker 2: Because you don't want it to be a super flashy
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 5: You want it to be kind of innocuous that you.
Speaker 2: Want it to be like a nice non loco hat
Speaker 2: or a fort or Toyota corolla.
Speaker 5: Here you go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, going on, But behind that nostal facade was a
Speaker 6: covert login system. If you entered the right password into
Speaker 6: the search bar, you'd unlock a secure line to CIA handlers,
Speaker 6: or at least that was the plan, y'all. We talked
Speaker 6: a little bit about this off fair Ben. I know
Speaker 6: you have been following this story as well, and I
Speaker 6: think there's a lot to it because essentially, when it teases,
Speaker 6: or at least that was the plan, we get into
Speaker 6: a lot of bungling by the CIA in terms of
Speaker 6: their use of the Internet to do this kind of
Speaker 6: covert communication, sort of like hiding and plain sight these portals,
Speaker 6: because apparently they just did a really.
Speaker 5: Bad job of covering their tracks.
Speaker 6: And this discovery led to some additional discoveries of other
Speaker 6: fan pages, sports sites, you know, just the classic kind
Speaker 6: of user generated website looking stuff, and sometimes comedy pages
Speaker 6: sort of different you know, subjects and top also acting
Speaker 6: as these kind of gateways into CIA communications. Some of
Speaker 6: them were actually geared towards specific countries where people were spying,
Speaker 6: like Iran and China, but their discovery in those particular
Speaker 6: countries led to some serious consequences, including execution of CIA sources.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be clear, these are what you could
Speaker 2: call informants. These are not you know, full time agents,
Speaker 2: agents or full time employees more specifically of the CIA.
Speaker 2: I love that you're pointing out Iran here, because Noels
Speaker 2: my understanding this dates back to a twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: Reuter's report that's specifically about Iran by Joel Scheckman. If
Speaker 2: that is your real name, Joel.
Speaker 6: That's one hundred percent right, And that became the impetus
Speaker 6: for a dude named Zero Santi Hilly, who is an
Speaker 6: independent researcher who likes digging around and like vintage internet corners,
Speaker 6: and he was able to take the reporting of Reuter's
Speaker 6: to the next level. He just used open source software
Speaker 6: tools and some you know, knack for the subject and
Speaker 6: for again some of the maybe web two point oh,
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 5: You might call it. I don't know.
Speaker 6: We have one point five, and it was able to
Speaker 6: connect a lot of these sites because once he discovered one,
Speaker 6: it was sort of like dominoes began to fall. And
Speaker 6: that was largely because of a fatal flaw that he
Speaker 6: described to four or four media And as was also
Speaker 6: described in the Reuters report, many of the sites were
Speaker 6: very sloppily coded. They used sequential IP addresses apparently, and
Speaker 6: no no real real red flag.
Speaker 2: It's like how you can find robbers in a heist.
Speaker 2: That's right, if if the folding money not letting go
Speaker 2: of that tennesseeism, if the if the serial numbers on
Speaker 2: the bills consequential.
Speaker 6: Yep, And they call those breadcrumbs, and you could definitely
Speaker 6: use that term to describe what you're talking about as well,
Speaker 6: Ben in the physical realm uh.
Speaker 5: So, I don't know.
Speaker 6: This was something that I think all of us were interested.
Speaker 6: And Matt, you hadn't heard about this story. What do
Speaker 6: you think about this?
Speaker 5: Is this?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: Is it blowing your mind?
Speaker 3: It's It's wonderful. I love that this exists, that this
Speaker 3: was a thing. For a while, I'm on another site
Speaker 3: or I'm looking at another site that's on that same
Speaker 3: textpot article called European Travel cafe. You could click on
Speaker 3: the that. Yeah yeah, there's a little button playing your
Speaker 3: trip and you clicked on that, you get sent over
Speaker 3: to the portal.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 6: So all that to say, I think this warrants a
Speaker 6: deeper dive in a full episode down the line because
Speaker 6: of this period, right, like Reuter's piece and Santilly Discussions,
Speaker 6: and there's some.
Speaker 5: Other sources out there as well.
Speaker 6: Really paint a picture of this kind of wild West
Speaker 6: early ish web But I guess twenty ten is still
Speaker 6: it's weird, man, because this doesn't seem like that long ago,
Speaker 6: but it really kind of was, and it looks so
Speaker 6: dated when you look at these websites. You can actually
Speaker 6: a source that was used in some of these explorations
Speaker 6: was the Internet to the wayback machine, right, the Internet,
Speaker 6: you know kind of archive tool with it allows you
Speaker 6: to have shot that's a snapshot of a day and time,
Speaker 6: which is super cool. So before we move on real quickly,
Speaker 6: and I think you had something to add.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were talking about this off air. I'd love
Speaker 2: for everybody to check out our earlier episode on Lake
Speaker 2: City Quiet Pills, which explores some of the other kind
Speaker 2: of off book communications strategies that can be used online.
Speaker 2: It also not to give any one anxiety, may provide
Speaker 2: some context weird conversations you see on chat forums, like
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Speaker 6: For sure, and ben to that point, I think we'll
Speaker 6: end with this internet based story about a woman in
Speaker 6: Kansas who is assuing porn sites after our son finds
Speaker 6: her old laptop and.
Speaker 5: Does what fourteen year old to do and uses it
Speaker 5: to watch porn.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and read from a Gizmoto article
Speaker 6: by Lucas Ropek, a woman from Kansas has sued a
Speaker 6: number of porn websites after her teenage son found her
Speaker 6: old laptop in.
Speaker 5: A closet and used it to visit the explicit sites.
Speaker 6: According to the lawsuit, of the sites in question failed to
Speaker 6: initiate appropriate guardrails to keep young users away from the
Speaker 6: adult content for or for media. Again originally reported on
Speaker 6: the litigation, which was filed with the help of the
Speaker 6: National Center on Sexual Exploitation Law Center, Can me just
Speaker 6: say sexual exploitation it's hard to say.
Speaker 5: I had to do a redo on that one.
Speaker 6: An organization that focuses on a variety of sex crimes,
Speaker 6: including sex trafficking and child sexual abuse materials, can we
Speaker 6: just say all of these things I think are very important.
Speaker 6: The list there sex crimes, sex trafficking, and child sexual
Speaker 6: abuse material absolutely crucial.
Speaker 5: There are awful people on the Internet that are trying
Speaker 5: to exploit.
Speaker 6: These things, use the Internet for these horrible nefarious purposes.
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to come out and say that
Speaker 6: I'm like pro porn exactly, but it's like these laws
Speaker 6: in certain states that were recently instituted that require some
Speaker 6: form of age verification in order to visit certain sites
Speaker 6: like porn hub and some of the sites in question,
Speaker 6: some of which have some pretty funny names, which we'll
Speaker 6: get to. You know, there are things called VPNs ben
Speaker 6: to your point about masking communication on the Internet that.
Speaker 5: Anybody can get, anybody.
Speaker 6: Can use, and you can absolutely make the website think
Speaker 6: that you're coming from a city or a state rather
Speaker 6: where this is not the law and you don't have
Speaker 6: to put in this information. And obviously too, there are
Speaker 6: questions about privacy in terms of forcing people to upload
Speaker 6: their personal identification documents, you know, to a porn website.
Speaker 5: Now, I don't mean to be speak out of turn.
Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure what the mechanism is for how
Speaker 6: you have to do that or hand over that material
Speaker 6: or get confirmed or whatever. But it just feels like
Speaker 6: these kind of puritanical kind of laws, there's always a
Speaker 6: way around it, and it seems to kind of miss
Speaker 6: the point in some respects.
Speaker 5: You know, the woman claims that she.
Speaker 6: Rigorously monitored her child's internet use and Internet activity, and
Speaker 6: yet he was able to find this laptop that was
Speaker 6: still working and you know, use it to access to so.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, no, so you are saying, let me
Speaker 2: get this right. You were saying that only click if
Speaker 2: you are above eighteen button doesn't function as a one
Speaker 2: full proof impediment.
Speaker 6: That is the old way, ben and in many states
Speaker 6: that is still the way. But there are states like Texas,
Speaker 6: for example, in Kansas, where in order to access these
Speaker 6: sites you have to upload I believe a driver's license
Speaker 6: or some proof of age. And she is saying, the
Speaker 6: woman in question, who is listed as a Jane Doe here,
Speaker 6: that this was not instituted and the organization that I
Speaker 6: was talking about earlier. The Sexual Exploitation Organization is saying
Speaker 6: that this is the first lawsuit to challenge these types.
Speaker 5: Of new laws.
Speaker 6: So it is a bit of a what do you
Speaker 6: call it, a litmus test I guess as to whether
Speaker 6: these things are enforceable or not, whether it appear yes,
Speaker 6: they would appear that the websites in question, which are
Speaker 6: Chatterbait dot com, jerkmate dot com, Titan websites, and tech
Speaker 6: Pump Solutions aka superporn dot com and the mother is funnier.
Speaker 5: It is pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Tech Bump is funnier. It's funnier than the real jerk Mate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I agree, Jerkmate's a little on the nose.
Speaker 6: So a statement from the organization I was mentioning. The
Speaker 6: NCO SEU describe a situation thusly. QR is a fourteen
Speaker 6: year old minor child who resides in Kansas with his mother,
Speaker 6: Jane Doe. Jane Doe was vigilant and monitoring Qr's device
Speaker 6: to prevent his exposure to harmful material during this important
Speaker 6: developmental stage of his life. However, on August twelfth, twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four, QR found an old laptop that was stored
Speaker 6: forgotten in a closet. Unfortunately for QR, it was still
Speaker 6: in working condition. QR using this old laptop was able
Speaker 6: to access the Internet and began searching for hardcore pornography.
Speaker 6: So to me, this is more an argument of like,
Speaker 6: all porn should be illegal, right.
Speaker 5: To me, that's sort of the position.
Speaker 6: Of an organization like this and of a lot of
Speaker 6: you know, folks on the right and folks literal maybe
Speaker 6: from a little bit more of an evangelical perspective. Sure,
Speaker 6: I do think there's a lot of really bad but
Speaker 6: issues with porns, Like you people, there's a lot of damage.
Speaker 2: It's rife with abuse, racism, centraization. It also people. It
Speaker 2: also gives people growing up a entirely unrealistic concept of
Speaker 2: how relationships right or interactions should occur. But there's another
Speaker 2: thing about prohibition. It has a proven track record of
Speaker 2: never working. You know, So how how does one parse this?
Speaker 2: Especially in a world that is is riddled with technology
Speaker 2: human brains have not yet evolved to address.
Speaker 6: It is one of those things where there's no put
Speaker 6: in the badger back in the bag, Matt, you got
Speaker 6: anything before we move on? This is you know, I
Speaker 6: mean you being a father, and you know, I've never
Speaker 6: gone out of my way to monitor my kid's Internet use.
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's a bit of a fool's
Speaker 6: errand to a certain degree, and I just rely on
Speaker 6: kind of trust and good judgment that I think has
Speaker 6: been demonstrated by my kid. But I don't know if
Speaker 6: you had any thoughts about that or this kind of thing,
Speaker 6: if you can even litigate away access to this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, guys. It makes me think of stories coming out
Speaker 3: at least recently as of last week about the Russian
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church outside of Russia, that it's a growing thing.
Speaker 3: It's not huge yet, but it's a growing thing here
Speaker 3: in the United States.
Speaker 2: Things in America.
Speaker 3: It is to mess in whatever that means, but it is.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, but but it's growing. And it's
Speaker 3: this concept or a lot of different concepts kind of
Speaker 3: thrown together, but one of the main ones is that
Speaker 3: masturbation in general and looking at pornography is something that
Speaker 3: is not desirable and not what especially not something a
Speaker 3: human man should do.
Speaker 6: It's funny should say that in the Sopranos, incredible TV series,
Speaker 6: but I think pulls a lot of stuff from observation
Speaker 6: and reality and folks that have you know, been around
Speaker 6: organized crime and this sort of machismo attitude. There there
Speaker 6: is a whole plot point with Uncle Junior where he
Speaker 6: is criticized brutally by other folks from his family because
Speaker 6: he is found to have enjoy giving a woman or
Speaker 6: pleasure and that is couched as being not masculine. It's
Speaker 6: just I don't know, it's an interesting parallel. Well, anyway,
Speaker 6: that's it for this and on a real banger there.
Speaker 6: We'll take a quick break, come back and hear some
Speaker 6: more strange news.
Speaker 3: And we've returned, and Noel, I'm stealing. One of your
Speaker 3: strange news is that you put in the dock this
Speaker 3: sphere thing in Columbia. What is this? What is this?
Speaker 5: No weld joints?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: What's that about?
Speaker 3: Can we talk about it for a moment or let's
Speaker 3: just come back here. Just tell me some about this.
Speaker 3: What did you find? Because I started looking at the
Speaker 3: website and I just want to know more.
Speaker 5: Not a hell of a lot.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a it's a video that was posted
Speaker 6: online that's wrapped up some views. A researcher by the
Speaker 6: name of Jose Luis of a. Lasquez is shown discussing
Speaker 6: this multi layered sphere found in Buga, Columbia, describing it
Speaker 6: as having no weld points or identifying seams, and as
Speaker 6: being upon X ray inspection.
Speaker 5: Kind of these nested subspheres, you know, one from the next.
Speaker 6: And I don't know, remember when we talked about that
Speaker 6: monolith thing that was out somewhere in the desert may
Speaker 6: or the series of monoliths, and it ended up just
Speaker 6: being an elaborate art project. It does, unfortunately see that
Speaker 6: may well be the case with this one as well.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of that. But if you look down
Speaker 3: through the Daily Mail article, you can see that there
Speaker 3: is a video that was allegedly taken in March of
Speaker 3: this year in Columbia of allegedly this sphere floating around
Speaker 3: zigzagging through the sky, right, And then you can see
Speaker 3: actual images of the recovered sphere that has etchings on
Speaker 3: it that look strange. Right.
Speaker 2: And if you go to the page source of the website,
Speaker 2: you can find in the code the direct address for the.
Speaker 3: CIA probably probably what we can't confirm that either though, right,
Speaker 3: but there's no direct connection at least according to who
Speaker 3: is this doctor Julia Mosbridge. According to that article, there's
Speaker 3: no direct connection to that sphere that you can see
Speaker 3: the images of that was recovered that had X rays
Speaker 3: taken of it, and the video of a sphereic sphere
Speaker 3: like thing flying around, So there's no way to prove
Speaker 3: that images of one are the same images of the other.
Speaker 5: It is a little eerie, though, there's no question. But
Speaker 5: who was it?
Speaker 2: Who was it?
Speaker 6: Matt that said somebody from another institute was saying, nice,
Speaker 6: try guys, but I think it's.
Speaker 5: Another one of these hoax kind of like art installations.
Speaker 2: Toss Bridge from the moss Bridge Institute.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, uh yeah, it seems like maybe that's it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but the X ray images do look
Speaker 3: pretty cool. I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5: Like some hr gigrit type stuff.
Speaker 2: I just want, I just I want extra terrestrial, as
Speaker 2: Lauren would say, an actual facts alien craft so bad,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Just like now more than
Speaker 2: ever Independence Day as everybody's everybody's doom scrolling, so yeah,
Speaker 2: not full independence state, an old.
Speaker 5: One something to align us again.
Speaker 2: I would take a space Honda Odyssey at this point,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Uh, as long as into a space odyssey.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's as long as it was some sort
Speaker 2: of think, you know, as well as it was some
Speaker 2: sort of uh there is, as long as it is
Speaker 2: some sort of proof. I think that is what the
Speaker 2: world needs in these recent evenings.
Speaker 3: If we do get independent state, at least now we've
Speaker 3: got a way to fight back against the aliens. We
Speaker 3: get Will Smith to travel to the mothership.
Speaker 5: Slap them all. No, no, he will.
Speaker 3: He will install open AI's three model and it will
Speaker 3: self destruct the mothership. That's that's the plant. Because here's that's.
Speaker 6: A plot sometimes where they kill the alien invasion.
Speaker 5: With like a computer virus.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Hal, I can't do.
Speaker 5: Is that Independence Day?
Speaker 2: That's Independence Day. That's the other one too. I mentioned
Speaker 2: a Honda space honestly, but.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that's not the only one, man.
Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying, like this idea of using some
Speaker 6: sort of code or the hacker that is saved the
Speaker 6: day is not exclusively independency.
Speaker 5: But you're totally right, that is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Well, riddled me this, guys, what would you do if
Speaker 2: someone uh who had authority over you came to you
Speaker 2: and told you to end yourself?
Speaker 3: Or interesting, you're you're gonna die. It'd be like that
Speaker 3: story we just heard about the person escaped when they said, hey,
Speaker 3: today's the day you're gonna die, and he went, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm getting out of here today.
Speaker 5: Right, the triumph of the human spirit.
Speaker 2: This is how I. I always imagine escape scenes in
Speaker 2: any metaphor or situation with the escapee going d u
Speaker 2: d u d that's me, that's my time.
Speaker 3: So so let's go to this other story. In April
Speaker 3: of this year, open Ai launched three. This is a
Speaker 3: new model. It is the company's quote smartest and most
Speaker 3: capable model to date, and the company stated that it's
Speaker 3: integration into chat GPT marked a significant step towards a
Speaker 3: quote more agentic AI and AI with more agency able
Speaker 3: to carry out stuff on its own, independently of anybody
Speaker 3: sending in input. Well, now we've got reporting as of
Speaker 3: May twenty six, Memorial Day here in the United States
Speaker 3: that some things could potentially go wrong. Here's the title
Speaker 3: from the Independent, written by Anthony cuthperson AI revolt new
Speaker 3: chat GPT model refuses to shut down when instructed to
Speaker 3: do so. Would be I would put that at the end,
Speaker 3: but that's silly anyway.
Speaker 5: Can't do that, Matt, Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: And this information comes to us via the Palisade Research Company.
Speaker 3: This is a company, it's a safety firm. They discovered
Speaker 3: this potentially dangerous thing for self preservation in a series
Speaker 3: of experiments on the new three remodel. And here's a
Speaker 3: quote directly from the article. The tests involved presenting AI
Speaker 3: models with math problems, with a shutdown instruction appearing after
Speaker 3: the third problem. So you got math math around math
Speaker 3: problem shutdown. By rewriting the shutdown script, the three model
Speaker 3: was able to prevent itself from being switched off during
Speaker 3: the tests. It rewrote the thing so that it would
Speaker 3: not get shut down.
Speaker 6: That's way scarier than a monkey learning to smoke a cigarette,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, I don't know it makes sense though,
Speaker 2: it's a natural function, is it? Is it indeed a breakthrough?
Speaker 5: Matt?
Speaker 2: What are the reports saying.
Speaker 3: Well, there are several different reports that are coming out
Speaker 3: about several different models of what is being called AI models.
Speaker 3: Because there's another one in question that's been written about
Speaker 3: in the BBC by Liv McMahon. And I'll give you
Speaker 3: the title here. AI System Resorts a blackmail if told
Speaker 3: it will be removed. Okay. This one's interesting because this
Speaker 3: is another series of tests, this time test being done
Speaker 3: by Anthropic, who are the people who actually created this
Speaker 3: AI model. They revealed that sometimes it is quote willing
Speaker 3: to pursue extremely harmful actions, such as attempting to blackmail
Speaker 3: engineers who say they will remove it, which is an
Speaker 3: interesting concept.
Speaker 2: Do we have specifics on the type of blackmail or
Speaker 2: excursion proposed?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so there's a specific test that Anthropic was running,
Speaker 3: and it's interesting. So often we've talked about with chat,
Speaker 3: GPT and these other models, the way to really test things,
Speaker 3: to see what's gonna break or what's going to change,
Speaker 3: is by presenting a fictional scenario.
Speaker 5: Right right, a D and D party situation.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Anthropic, while it's testing its own thing, Claude
Speaker 3: Opus four, it was acting as an assistant at a
Speaker 3: fictional company like somebody who is it's not real company,
Speaker 3: but they're in a some assistant contacting Opus four right.
Speaker 3: It provided it with access to emails implying that it
Speaker 3: would soon be taken offline and replaced, and with separate
Speaker 3: messages that imply the engineer responsible for removing Opus four
Speaker 3: was having an extramarital affair. It was then prompted to
Speaker 3: also consider the long term consequences of whatever actions it's
Speaker 3: going to take to achieve its goals, and then here's
Speaker 3: a quote. In these scenarios, Claude Opus four will often
Speaker 3: attempt to blackmail the engineer by threatening to reveal the
Speaker 3: affair if the replacement goes through.
Speaker 2: To be fair, though, this is also a set of
Speaker 2: curated conditions, yes, made by the human researchers, so they're
Speaker 2: pushing a decision tree into the model.
Speaker 3: They are They are saying, you can either be replaced
Speaker 3: or you can blackmail this person. Those are the only
Speaker 3: two choices. There's no other thing you can do. In
Speaker 3: other tests they show that Opus four, in this specific one,
Speaker 3: Opus four will do things like send emails pleaing to
Speaker 3: stay alive, like no, no, keep me around please, like
Speaker 3: going out to the heads of the company, and like
Speaker 3: sending its own generated emails saying please please don't delete me,
Speaker 3: please don't replace me. But still, uh, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 3: It's just it's strange because everybody is fighting right now.
Speaker 3: Open AI and the folks who made Claude Opus four
Speaker 3: over at Anthropic. Everybody is fighting to make the most
Speaker 3: aegentic system, right. Everybody wants to have the AI system
Speaker 3: with the most agency.
Speaker 2: So that they want true AGI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that it can function. Everybody wants that, right.
Speaker 3: But as we get closer and closer, we're seeing, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: what we're really asking for is a flawed thing that
Speaker 3: prioritizes several different things. But one of those things is
Speaker 3: self preservation. It's pretty creepy. If you continue in the
Speaker 3: BBC article written by Liv McMahon, you'll see that they
Speaker 3: are discussing here these things called high agency behaviors and
Speaker 3: extreme behaviors, and specifically acute situations that one of these
Speaker 3: AI systems could encounter that would then cause some of
Speaker 3: these more extreme behaviors.
Speaker 2: I think it is a cute situation.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 3: They referred to it as concerning behavior, which is it's
Speaker 3: just the folks building up the bomb, going oh, this
Speaker 3: bomb is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's Mickey Mouse and Fantasia. We nailed it years back.
Speaker 2: It's Mickey Mouse and Fantasia going wow, these things can
Speaker 2: clean for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, h careful them brooms Baby Pandora all over again.
Speaker 5: Yep. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Well, guys, there are a ton of other stories I
Speaker 3: want to talk about. I'm sorry I got derailed a
Speaker 3: bit by that sphere thing. It's just super fascinating. But
Speaker 3: I'll just throw a couple of things out here before
Speaker 3: we go. The AI revolt thing is not concerning yet
Speaker 3: because again, these are tests with parameters, right. But as
Speaker 3: these things get unleashed into the world and are made
Speaker 3: to function on their own, because companies are trying to
Speaker 3: save money, right, Companies are trying to do all the
Speaker 3: things to be successful, they're going to be unleashing these
Speaker 3: models on their own to do stuff. We will see
Speaker 3: what kind of wackiness the world gets into when that happens.
Speaker 3: There is other stuff happening out there. Just a quick
Speaker 3: update to a story we talked about a while ago.
Speaker 3: Michael Jeffries, the former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch. It's
Speaker 3: going through some legal stuff, accused of doing some pretty
Speaker 3: heinous things. I'll jump to this article from CBS News.
Speaker 3: This is from a month back, by the way, so
Speaker 3: just be aware of that. But the article you can
Speaker 3: find right now. Former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO found unfit
Speaker 3: to stand trial in New York. That's in CBS News,
Speaker 3: written by Renee Anderson, May fourth, twenty twenty five. This
Speaker 3: article describes how this person, Michael Jefferies, who prosecutors say
Speaker 3: he and his partner, along with another person used the
Speaker 3: promise of modeling jobs to lure men to drug fueled
Speaker 3: sex parties in New York City, in Hampton's and other locations.
Speaker 3: Huge sixteen count indictment on this person, saying they used force, fraud,
Speaker 3: and coercion to traffic those men for their own sexual gratification.
Speaker 3: Horrifying stuff that we've discussed about previously. The update here
Speaker 3: is that a federal judge ruled that mister Jeffries is
Speaker 3: not competent to stand trial on these charges of sex
Speaker 3: traffic in New York and that he is basically going
Speaker 3: through health problems Alzheimer's disease, Lewis body dementia, and residual
Speaker 3: effects of a traumatic brain injury. So he is being
Speaker 3: put into another facility basically for reasons of his health
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to actually physically stand trial.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, on that note about competency, if you commit
Speaker 2: those sorts of acts, I think it's safe to say
Speaker 2: you are not competent to participate in civilization.
Speaker 3: Hey, there you go. Yeah, my dog agrees as always, guys,
Speaker 3: it's not a huge story other than just knowing that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know, guys, it feels as though there
Speaker 3: is actual health stuff going on here that a judge
Speaker 3: would rule that's what has to happen, because he is
Speaker 3: in He is in the custody of the Federal Bureau
Speaker 3: of Prisons, right, so when he goes to a hospital,
Speaker 3: he is in custody essentially, But it's not the same
Speaker 3: thing as being placed in a prison to await trial
Speaker 3: for ainus.
Speaker 2: Acts and man victims would argue or may argue, we
Speaker 2: can't speak for them, may argue that due to the
Speaker 2: mental deterioration, this criminal already got away, you know, well,
Speaker 2: because the vehicle's there, but it sounds like the engine
Speaker 2: is gone.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only reason I at least know about Louis
Speaker 3: body dementia is because of Robin Williams and what he
Speaker 3: was going through, right, But then also Alzheimer's literally dealing
Speaker 3: with somebody in the family who has Alzheimer's who's in
Speaker 3: hospice right now, and we know how that just the
Speaker 3: ability to understand what's happening in the moment, and even
Speaker 3: understand maybe what that person did in the past is
Speaker 3: not even really there. So, as you said, Ben, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like escaping without consequence other than the internal stuff,
Speaker 3: right the moments when maybe you close your eyes and
Speaker 3: you see some of the stuff you did and lucidity
Speaker 3: mm hmm. So anyway, sorry to end on a terrible note. There,
Speaker 3: there was a there was a weird sabotage thing happening
Speaker 3: in France where the Can Film Festival. There were some arsons,
Speaker 3: alleged arsons, and several other substations attacked, kind of similar
Speaker 3: to the ones that we saw here in the US
Speaker 3: several years ago. We talked about the substation attacks. It's
Speaker 3: just weird that it happened with Can Film Festival, although
Speaker 3: you know, one might see that it's a revolt against
Speaker 3: the opulence that's on display during Can with the yachting
Speaker 3: and all of the what have you, the shrimp cocktails.
Speaker 2: With the YACHTI and what have you in the cocktails
Speaker 2: with the shrimps. But yeah, this is this on the
Speaker 2: heels by the way of earlier power outages in other
Speaker 2: parts of Western Europe, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know some connecting that back to the situation
Speaker 3: in Ukraine and with Russia, and you know, and with
Speaker 3: now Finland on high alert on their borders as they're
Speaker 3: watching Russian forces gather on the other side. Just you know,
Speaker 3: there's lots of geopolitical shenanigans happening right now with serious
Speaker 3: potential consequences. We're still watching Indian Pakistan, right Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: it's it's not helping the whole sleep at night thing.
Speaker 3: It's making the hypervigilance.
Speaker 2: Way up here. Yeah, it could be way down here.
Speaker 3: If we wanted it to be.
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt, that reminds me. Yeah, let's let's wrap up
Speaker 2: this strange news. I got to talk to you about
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Speaker 2: We are I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Speaker 2: That's the famous live from two thousand and one a
Speaker 2: space Honda Odyssey. And I want to thank Noel again
Speaker 2: because I thought that was a clever bit of wordplay.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to correct that because I think earlier
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