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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 2: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fago. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 2: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. Ed, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 2: If you are tuning in the night this Strange News publishes.

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Speaker 2: Let us welcome you two guys. Get this June second,

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Speaker 4: May the Second be with you, m m yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: and may the June be with you as well. Before

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Speaker 4: we do anything, Just for fun, I'd love to share

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Speaker 4: my favorite headline of the recent news.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys ready?

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Speaker 5: Oh man, so ready?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Uranus emits more heat than previously thought.

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Speaker 5: Thanks buddy, that's really sweet. Oh that was a headline.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were I thought you were giving me

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Speaker 5: a compliment about my anus.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't really think about your button. That's okay,

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Speaker 2: I know I know, but I thought that would I

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Speaker 2: thought that would be a fun way for us to begin.

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Speaker 2: It is true that our pal Ken Croswell wrote one

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Speaker 2: of the best recent headlines when reporting uh with sciencenews

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Speaker 2: from the sun, according to too legitimate scientific papers.

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Speaker 6: So I feel like we're kind of entering a new

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Speaker 6: golden age of headline writing. I feel like headlines have

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Speaker 6: been pretty fire in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Well, we also are as a civilization reading more headlines

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Speaker 2: now than ever before, and it can be difficult to

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Speaker 2: parse through the AI slop, the genuine journalism and the

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Speaker 2: fake news. Sometimes you don't know what you're really supposed

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Speaker 2: to be looking for. Just like that guy who got

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Speaker 2: That's a true story as well.

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Speaker 5: That's somewhere's waldo right there. I don't know why. That's

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Speaker 5: just that's really funny.

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Speaker 6: I could picture that being a plot of like a

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: This is Behan Mutlu by the way, a fifty year

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Speaker 2: old resident of Turkey. He accidentally joined his own search

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Speaker 2: party out after a night of drinking alcohol out in

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Speaker 2: the woods with his buddies. Now, right now, as of

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Speaker 2: our time recording, we cannot confirm whether he participated in

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Speaker 2: that massive cannabis burn or whether this was an unrelated event.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna learn.

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Speaker 6: Did we determine whether the spelling out of the city

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Speaker 5: I think we all did happen. Oh wow, hey, weird man.

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Speaker 6: Really, it really is hard to know the truth these things,

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Speaker 6: because sometimes the truth is weirder than fiction.

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Speaker 2: Yes, stranger than fiction. Indeed, we are going to explore

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Speaker 2: some UFOs. We're going to talk about our friends at

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Speaker 2: the company. We've got to talk about chat gpt, Abercrombie Fitch,

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Speaker 2: our friends that can. But before we do any of that,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna pause and let our sponsors give us their

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Speaker 2: two sets or their nickel. We'll see why that's funny

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Speaker 2: later and we're back. You guys know how I hate

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Speaker 2: metal like I fear it and I can't touch it.

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Speaker 6: Same as the way I feel about birds. Buddy, we're

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Speaker 2: And we have talked in the past. I remember many

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Speaker 2: years ago, Matt, you and I were pitching the idea

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Speaker 2: of making a video about abolishing the penny. When's the

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Speaker 2: last time anybody here paid for something with a penny?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of those gas station change situations, and

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Speaker 6: then you end up putting in that take a penny,

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Speaker 5: It just seems like a zero sum game.

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Speaker 6: So I will say I I'm all reserved for when

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Speaker 3: I would say I've been given a penny as change

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Speaker 2: All right, now, when and let's paint the picture here,

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Speaker 2: If you are walking along the street on any given

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Speaker 5: Well, all day long, you'll have good luck if you do.

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Speaker 6: I think that's in one purpose that a penny serves,

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Speaker 2: Jillan says, only if the penny is heads up, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: That's what I was taught. If it's heads up, you're

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Speaker 3: is just in case.

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Speaker 2: Does that, Matt, Does that apply to other species of

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Speaker 3: Yes, any any coin you find on the ground, if

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Speaker 3: it is heads up, it is waiting for you. If

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Speaker 5: It portends ill things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, best thing to do is pick it up off

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Speaker 3: That way, they've got.

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Speaker 2: Hey, look at that, nice man, And hopefully that kind

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Speaker 2: of care for one's fellow humans will continue. However, the

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Speaker 2: penny may become a little bit of a collector's item,

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Speaker 2: as the US Treasury Department has recently announced it will

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Speaker 2: phase out the production of new pennies, so shiny new

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Speaker 2: pennies are no longer going to be a thing. The

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Speaker 2: this coin. We want to thank Bill Hutchinson over at

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Speaker 2: ABC News for the report here. Also, just honestly, pennies

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Speaker 6: No, I fully support this administration's position on the penny.

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Speaker 6: If you've seen the new Final Destination movie, you know

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Speaker 6: that a penny can cause true bedlumon Havock.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, and I'm not apologizing for the

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Speaker 2: pennies don't make sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, pennies from Heaven Bank a jazz song. It just

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Speaker 6: seems like an old timey thing. And I've heard for

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Speaker 3: We have also heard the same as one of the

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Speaker 3: the day. Just how much does it cost to make

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Speaker 3: a penny? And does it make as you said, Ben tense?

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Speaker 2: Does it make zke? Have you thought about the zinke?

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Speaker 6: Certainly not made of copper anymore pure, right, because that's

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Speaker 6: an expensive resource. It's some sort of alloy, right, or

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Speaker 5: It is zinc, Thank you, sorry, taken your meat?

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez. According to the US Treasury Department, the cost

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Speaker 2: the past decade, from one point three vents to three

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Speaker 2: thanks to a bunch of factors here, it costs the

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Speaker 2: better part of a nickel to make a single penny. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: without ourselves being treasury eggheads and boffins, we have to

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Speaker 2: same thing as value utility. Right, So how many times

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Speaker 2: do you does a penny get used to transmit, you know,

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Speaker 2: you get into the black ink?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, because yeah, hyperinflation overtakes the US

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Speaker 3: now pennies replaced the dollar as the primary currency.

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Speaker 5: Like caps in the Fallout world.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: And interesting you would say this, Matt. It costs the

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Speaker 2: Bureau of engraving and printing three point two cents currently

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Speaker 2: a value to print a one dollar bill what we

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Speaker 2: would call folding money in Tennessee. That is less than

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Speaker 2: it that's less than the cost of making a penny.

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Speaker 2: We are as a country way behind on this one.

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Speaker 2: You know, Canada got rid of the penny. I believe

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Speaker 2: several other countries have done so as well. Perhaps it's

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Speaker 2: a shift to digital currency, like I know, not not

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Speaker 2: everybody pays for stuff with cash these days. I do,

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Speaker 2: but I'm eldrich, so there may be there may be

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Speaker 2: a better demographic, Noel Matt, when's the last time you,

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Speaker 6: I took out a bunch of cash when I was

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Speaker 6: typically most everyone has the point of sales have gotten

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Speaker 6: RFID tapping ability like device to device, it's just kind

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Speaker 5: So it's I think the cost of doing that has become.

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Speaker 6: So low that there are very few places now that

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Speaker 3: Every time I go to a restaurant, which is very often.

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Speaker 2: Love it. Yeah, and we want to hear your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the penny on physical currency overall, So hit us

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Speaker 2: up at conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com right now. I

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Speaker 2: which one sounds the most interesting for our purposes tonight, Ready,

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Speaker 2: m California mother who was kidnapped and forced to rob

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Speaker 2: a bank is painted as a criminal in court. That's

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Speaker 2: one going she was forced to do so by someone else. Next,

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Speaker 2: one former police chief has escaped from an Arkansas prison

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Speaker 2: where he was incarcerated on convictions of murder and sexual assault. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the Belgians have been accused of stealing wind from the Dutch.

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Speaker 5: There's a fart joking there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: There, definitely is. We know that Harvard is beefed up

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Speaker 2: with the United States government. We also know that Russian

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Speaker 2: lawmakers have declared war on Shrek. And there's some food

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Speaker 2: coloring that turns mice transparent.

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Speaker 3: That's the one.

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Speaker 2: Fine, all right, let's go to that one. So it

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Speaker 2: turns out that they're is so weird, all right. So

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Speaker 2: there is a food coloring that is common in things

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Speaker 2: some of us may be eating in the crowd tonight,

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Speaker 2: like Cheetos and Doritos. Let's go to Katie Hunt, who

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Speaker 2: published this a while back. Actually, so this is news

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Speaker 2: to us, but it is not fresh baked news. It's

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Speaker 2: just a great headline. There is a commonly used food

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Speaker 2: coloring that is found in you know, Cheetos, Doritos, tortilla chips,

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Speaker 2: candy corn. If anybody eats that, and if you distribute

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Speaker 2: this in the correct way or an evil way, tarturesine

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Speaker 2: can turn mice transparent. It can make their skin translucent

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Speaker 2: such that, you know, just like those weird little amphibians,

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Speaker 2: you can see their internal organs at work sea monkeys.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Ben, I just I'm seeing pictures of what you're

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Speaker 3: talking about here on the CNN article.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's probably good for

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Speaker 2: Anxiety keeps you alive, Anxiety keeps you sharp, Anxiety keeps

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Speaker 6: And we returned, and then I'm gonna get to that

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Speaker 6: Since yeah, but first, you just rattled off some some

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Speaker 6: There's other stories covering this, and here's some other versions

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Speaker 5: Tech Spot through the looking Glass.

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Speaker 6: Looked like any other twenty ten era fan page, complete

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Speaker 6: And this discovery led to some additional discoveries of other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be clear, these are what you could

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Speaker 6: That's one hundred percent right, And that became the impetus

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Speaker 6: Ben in the physical realm uh.

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Speaker 5: So, I don't know.

440
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 6: This was something that I think all of us were interested.

441
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 6: And Matt, you hadn't heard about this story. What do

442
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 6: you think about this?

443
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 5: Is this?

444
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 3: Uh?

445
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: Is it blowing your mind?

446
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: It's It's wonderful. I love that this exists, that this

447
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: was a thing. For a while, I'm on another site

448
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: or I'm looking at another site that's on that same

449
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: textpot article called European Travel cafe. You could click on

450
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: the that. Yeah yeah, there's a little button playing your

451
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 3: trip and you clicked on that, you get sent over

452
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: to the portal.

453
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's fascinating.

454
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 6: So all that to say, I think this warrants a

455
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 6: deeper dive in a full episode down the line because

456
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 6: of this period, right, like Reuter's piece and Santilly Discussions,

457
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 6: and there's some.

458
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 5: Other sources out there as well.

459
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: Really paint a picture of this kind of wild West

460
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 6: early ish web But I guess twenty ten is still

461
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 6: it's weird, man, because this doesn't seem like that long ago,

462
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 6: but it really kind of was, and it looks so

463
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 6: dated when you look at these websites. You can actually

464
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 6: a source that was used in some of these explorations

465
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 6: was the Internet to the wayback machine, right, the Internet,

466
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 6: you know kind of archive tool with it allows you

467
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 6: to have shot that's a snapshot of a day and time,

468
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: which is super cool. So before we move on real quickly,

469
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 6: and I think you had something to add.

470
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Yes, we were talking about this off air. I'd love

471
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: for everybody to check out our earlier episode on Lake

472
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: City Quiet Pills, which explores some of the other kind

473
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: of off book communications strategies that can be used online.

474
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: It also not to give any one anxiety, may provide

475
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: some context weird conversations you see on chat forums, like

476
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: different subreddits, YouTube, your adult platforms of choice. There are

477
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: a lot of ways to communicate online while circumventing surveillance.

478
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: So check out Lake City Quiet Pills.

479
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 6: For sure, and ben to that point, I think we'll

480
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 6: end with this internet based story about a woman in

481
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 6: Kansas who is assuing porn sites after our son finds

482
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 6: her old laptop and.

483
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 5: Does what fourteen year old to do and uses it

484
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: to watch porn.

485
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and read from a Gizmoto article

486
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 6: by Lucas Ropek, a woman from Kansas has sued a

487
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: number of porn websites after her teenage son found her

488
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 6: old laptop in.

489
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: A closet and used it to visit the explicit sites.

490
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 6: According to the lawsuit, of the sites in question failed to

491
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 6: initiate appropriate guardrails to keep young users away from the

492
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 6: adult content for or for media. Again originally reported on

493
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 6: the litigation, which was filed with the help of the

494
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 6: National Center on Sexual Exploitation Law Center, Can me just

495
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: say sexual exploitation it's hard to say.

496
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: I had to do a redo on that one.

497
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 6: An organization that focuses on a variety of sex crimes,

498
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 6: including sex trafficking and child sexual abuse materials, can we

499
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 6: just say all of these things I think are very important.

500
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 6: The list there sex crimes, sex trafficking, and child sexual

501
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 6: abuse material absolutely crucial.

502
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Speaker 5: There are awful people on the Internet that are trying

503
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 5: to exploit.

504
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 6: These things, use the Internet for these horrible nefarious purposes.

505
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to come out and say that

506
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 6: I'm like pro porn exactly, but it's like these laws

507
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: in certain states that were recently instituted that require some

508
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 6: form of age verification in order to visit certain sites

509
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 6: like porn hub and some of the sites in question,

510
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 6: some of which have some pretty funny names, which we'll

511
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 6: get to. You know, there are things called VPNs ben

512
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 6: to your point about masking communication on the Internet that.

513
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: Anybody can get, anybody.

514
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 6: Can use, and you can absolutely make the website think

515
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 6: that you're coming from a city or a state rather

516
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: where this is not the law and you don't have

517
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 6: to put in this information. And obviously too, there are

518
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 6: questions about privacy in terms of forcing people to upload

519
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 6: their personal identification documents, you know, to a porn website.

520
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 5: Now, I don't mean to be speak out of turn.

521
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure what the mechanism is for how

522
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 6: you have to do that or hand over that material

523
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: or get confirmed or whatever. But it just feels like

524
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 6: these kind of puritanical kind of laws, there's always a

525
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 6: way around it, and it seems to kind of miss

526
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 6: the point in some respects.

527
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: You know, the woman claims that she.

528
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 6: Rigorously monitored her child's internet use and Internet activity, and

529
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 6: yet he was able to find this laptop that was

530
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 6: still working and you know, use it to access to so.

531
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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, no, so you are saying, let me

532
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: get this right. You were saying that only click if

533
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: you are above eighteen button doesn't function as a one

534
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: full proof impediment.

535
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: That is the old way, ben and in many states

536
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 6: that is still the way. But there are states like Texas,

537
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 6: for example, in Kansas, where in order to access these

538
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 6: sites you have to upload I believe a driver's license

539
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 6: or some proof of age. And she is saying, the

540
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 6: woman in question, who is listed as a Jane Doe here,

541
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 6: that this was not instituted and the organization that I

542
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 6: was talking about earlier. The Sexual Exploitation Organization is saying

543
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: that this is the first lawsuit to challenge these types.

544
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: Of new laws.

545
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 6: So it is a bit of a what do you

546
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: call it, a litmus test I guess as to whether

547
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 6: these things are enforceable or not, whether it appear yes,

548
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 6: they would appear that the websites in question, which are

549
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 6: Chatterbait dot com, jerkmate dot com, Titan websites, and tech

550
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 6: Pump Solutions aka superporn dot com and the mother is funnier.

551
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 5: It is pretty funny.

552
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Tech Bump is funnier. It's funnier than the real jerk Mate.

553
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I agree, Jerkmate's a little on the nose.

554
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 6: So a statement from the organization I was mentioning. The

555
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 6: NCO SEU describe a situation thusly. QR is a fourteen

556
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 6: year old minor child who resides in Kansas with his mother,

557
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 6: Jane Doe. Jane Doe was vigilant and monitoring Qr's device

558
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 6: to prevent his exposure to harmful material during this important

559
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 6: developmental stage of his life. However, on August twelfth, twenty

560
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 6: twenty four, QR found an old laptop that was stored

561
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: forgotten in a closet. Unfortunately for QR, it was still

562
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 6: in working condition. QR using this old laptop was able

563
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 6: to access the Internet and began searching for hardcore pornography.

564
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 6: So to me, this is more an argument of like,

565
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 6: all porn should be illegal, right.

566
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: To me, that's sort of the position.

567
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 6: Of an organization like this and of a lot of

568
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 6: you know, folks on the right and folks literal maybe

569
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 6: from a little bit more of an evangelical perspective. Sure,

570
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 6: I do think there's a lot of really bad but

571
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: issues with porns, Like you people, there's a lot of damage.

572
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: It's rife with abuse, racism, centraization. It also people. It

573
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: also gives people growing up a entirely unrealistic concept of

574
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: how relationships right or interactions should occur. But there's another

575
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: thing about prohibition. It has a proven track record of

576
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: never working. You know, So how how does one parse this?

577
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: Especially in a world that is is riddled with technology

578
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: human brains have not yet evolved to address.

579
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 6: It is one of those things where there's no put

580
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 6: in the badger back in the bag, Matt, you got

581
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 6: anything before we move on? This is you know, I

582
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 6: mean you being a father, and you know, I've never

583
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 6: gone out of my way to monitor my kid's Internet use.

584
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's a bit of a fool's

585
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 6: errand to a certain degree, and I just rely on

586
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 6: kind of trust and good judgment that I think has

587
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 6: been demonstrated by my kid. But I don't know if

588
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 6: you had any thoughts about that or this kind of thing,

589
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 6: if you can even litigate away access to this kind

590
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 6: of stuff.

591
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: Well, guys. It makes me think of stories coming out

592
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: at least recently as of last week about the Russian

593
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church outside of Russia, that it's a growing thing.

594
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 3: It's not huge yet, but it's a growing thing here

595
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: in the United States.

596
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: Things in America.

597
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: It is to mess in whatever that means, but it is.

598
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, but but it's growing. And it's

599
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: this concept or a lot of different concepts kind of

600
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: thrown together, but one of the main ones is that

601
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: masturbation in general and looking at pornography is something that

602
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: is not desirable and not what especially not something a

603
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: human man should do.

604
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 6: It's funny should say that in the Sopranos, incredible TV series,

605
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: but I think pulls a lot of stuff from observation

606
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 6: and reality and folks that have you know, been around

607
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: organized crime and this sort of machismo attitude. There there

608
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 6: is a whole plot point with Uncle Junior where he

609
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 6: is criticized brutally by other folks from his family because

610
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 6: he is found to have enjoy giving a woman or

611
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 6: pleasure and that is couched as being not masculine. It's

612
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 6: just I don't know, it's an interesting parallel. Well, anyway,

613
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 6: that's it for this and on a real banger there.

614
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 6: We'll take a quick break, come back and hear some

615
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 6: more strange news.

616
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: And we've returned, and Noel, I'm stealing. One of your

617
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: strange news is that you put in the dock this

618
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: sphere thing in Columbia. What is this? What is this?

619
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: No weld joints?

620
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Right?

621
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: What's that about?

622
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: Can we talk about it for a moment or let's

623
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: just come back here. Just tell me some about this.

624
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: What did you find? Because I started looking at the

625
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: website and I just want to know more.

626
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: Not a hell of a lot.

627
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a it's a video that was posted

628
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 6: online that's wrapped up some views. A researcher by the

629
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 6: name of Jose Luis of a. Lasquez is shown discussing

630
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 6: this multi layered sphere found in Buga, Columbia, describing it

631
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 6: as having no weld points or identifying seams, and as

632
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 6: being upon X ray inspection.

633
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: Kind of these nested subspheres, you know, one from the next.

634
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 6: And I don't know, remember when we talked about that

635
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 6: monolith thing that was out somewhere in the desert may

636
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: or the series of monoliths, and it ended up just

637
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 6: being an elaborate art project. It does, unfortunately see that

638
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 6: may well be the case with this one as well.

639
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: It reminds me of that. But if you look down

640
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: through the Daily Mail article, you can see that there

641
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: is a video that was allegedly taken in March of

642
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 3: this year in Columbia of allegedly this sphere floating around

643
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: zigzagging through the sky, right, And then you can see

644
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: actual images of the recovered sphere that has etchings on

645
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: it that look strange. Right.

646
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: And if you go to the page source of the website,

647
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: you can find in the code the direct address for the.

648
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: CIA probably probably what we can't confirm that either though, right,

649
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: but there's no direct connection at least according to who

650
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: is this doctor Julia Mosbridge. According to that article, there's

651
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: no direct connection to that sphere that you can see

652
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: the images of that was recovered that had X rays

653
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: taken of it, and the video of a sphereic sphere

654
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: like thing flying around, So there's no way to prove

655
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: that images of one are the same images of the other.

656
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: It is a little eerie, though, there's no question. But

657
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: who was it?

658
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Who was it?

659
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Speaker 6: Matt that said somebody from another institute was saying, nice,

660
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Speaker 6: try guys, but I think it's.

661
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Speaker 5: Another one of these hoax kind of like art installations.

662
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: Toss Bridge from the moss Bridge Institute.

663
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, uh yeah, it seems like maybe that's it.

664
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but the X ray images do look

665
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: pretty cool. I don't know, it's.

666
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 5: Like some hr gigrit type stuff.

667
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I just want, I just I want extra terrestrial, as

668
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: Lauren would say, an actual facts alien craft so bad,

669
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Just like now more than

670
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: ever Independence Day as everybody's everybody's doom scrolling, so yeah,

671
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: not full independence state, an old.

672
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Speaker 5: One something to align us again.

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Speaker 2: I would take a space Honda Odyssey at this point,

674
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

675
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 5: Uh, as long as into a space odyssey.

676
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Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's as long as it was some sort

677
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: of think, you know, as well as it was some

678
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: sort of uh there is, as long as it is

679
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: some sort of proof. I think that is what the

680
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: world needs in these recent evenings.

681
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Speaker 3: If we do get independent state, at least now we've

682
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: got a way to fight back against the aliens. We

683
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 3: get Will Smith to travel to the mothership.

684
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 5: Slap them all. No, no, he will.

685
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: He will install open AI's three model and it will

686
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 3: self destruct the mothership. That's that's the plant. Because here's that's.

687
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 6: A plot sometimes where they kill the alien invasion.

688
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: With like a computer virus.

689
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Hal, I can't do.

690
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Speaker 5: Is that Independence Day?

691
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: That's Independence Day. That's the other one too. I mentioned

692
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: a Honda space honestly, but.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that's not the only one, man.

694
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Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying, like this idea of using some

695
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 6: sort of code or the hacker that is saved the

696
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 6: day is not exclusively independency.

697
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Speaker 5: But you're totally right, that is what I'm thinking.

698
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: Well, riddled me this, guys, what would you do if

699
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: someone uh who had authority over you came to you

700
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: and told you to end yourself?

701
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Or interesting, you're you're gonna die. It'd be like that

702
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: story we just heard about the person escaped when they said, hey,

703
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 3: today's the day you're gonna die, and he went, oh, well,

704
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: I guess I'm getting out of here today.

705
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Speaker 5: Right, the triumph of the human spirit.

706
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: This is how I. I always imagine escape scenes in

707
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: any metaphor or situation with the escapee going d u

708
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: d u d that's me, that's my time.

709
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: So so let's go to this other story. In April

710
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: of this year, open Ai launched three. This is a

711
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: new model. It is the company's quote smartest and most

712
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: capable model to date, and the company stated that it's

713
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: integration into chat GPT marked a significant step towards a

714
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: quote more agentic AI and AI with more agency able

715
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: to carry out stuff on its own, independently of anybody

716
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: sending in input. Well, now we've got reporting as of

717
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: May twenty six, Memorial Day here in the United States

718
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: that some things could potentially go wrong. Here's the title

719
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: from the Independent, written by Anthony cuthperson AI revolt new

720
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: chat GPT model refuses to shut down when instructed to

721
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Speaker 3: do so. Would be I would put that at the end,

722
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: but that's silly anyway.

723
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Speaker 5: Can't do that, Matt, Yes, I'm sorry.

724
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Speaker 3: And this information comes to us via the Palisade Research Company.

725
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: This is a company, it's a safety firm. They discovered

726
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: this potentially dangerous thing for self preservation in a series

727
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: of experiments on the new three remodel. And here's a

728
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: quote directly from the article. The tests involved presenting AI

729
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: models with math problems, with a shutdown instruction appearing after

730
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: the third problem. So you got math math around math

731
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: problem shutdown. By rewriting the shutdown script, the three model

732
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: was able to prevent itself from being switched off during

733
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: the tests. It rewrote the thing so that it would

734
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Speaker 3: not get shut down.

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Speaker 6: That's way scarier than a monkey learning to smoke a cigarette,

736
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Speaker 6: you know.

737
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, I don't know it makes sense though,

738
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Speaker 2: it's a natural function, is it? Is it indeed a breakthrough?

739
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Speaker 5: Matt?

740
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Speaker 2: What are the reports saying.

741
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: Well, there are several different reports that are coming out

742
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: about several different models of what is being called AI models.

743
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: Because there's another one in question that's been written about

744
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: in the BBC by Liv McMahon. And I'll give you

745
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: the title here. AI System Resorts a blackmail if told

746
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: it will be removed. Okay. This one's interesting because this

747
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: is another series of tests, this time test being done

748
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: by Anthropic, who are the people who actually created this

749
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: AI model. They revealed that sometimes it is quote willing

750
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: to pursue extremely harmful actions, such as attempting to blackmail

751
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: engineers who say they will remove it, which is an

752
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: interesting concept.

753
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Speaker 2: Do we have specifics on the type of blackmail or

754
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: excursion proposed?

755
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so there's a specific test that Anthropic was running,

756
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: and it's interesting. So often we've talked about with chat,

757
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: GPT and these other models, the way to really test things,

758
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: to see what's gonna break or what's going to change,

759
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: is by presenting a fictional scenario.

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Speaker 5: Right right, a D and D party situation.

761
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Anthropic, while it's testing its own thing, Claude

762
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: Opus four, it was acting as an assistant at a

763
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: fictional company like somebody who is it's not real company,

764
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: but they're in a some assistant contacting Opus four right.

765
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Speaker 3: It provided it with access to emails implying that it

766
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: would soon be taken offline and replaced, and with separate

767
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 3: messages that imply the engineer responsible for removing Opus four

768
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: was having an extramarital affair. It was then prompted to

769
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: also consider the long term consequences of whatever actions it's

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Speaker 3: going to take to achieve its goals, and then here's

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Speaker 3: a quote. In these scenarios, Claude Opus four will often

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Speaker 3: attempt to blackmail the engineer by threatening to reveal the

773
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Speaker 3: affair if the replacement goes through.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, though, this is also a set of

775
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: curated conditions, yes, made by the human researchers, so they're

776
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: pushing a decision tree into the model.

777
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: They are They are saying, you can either be replaced

778
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: or you can blackmail this person. Those are the only

779
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: two choices. There's no other thing you can do. In

780
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: other tests they show that Opus four, in this specific one,

781
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: Opus four will do things like send emails pleaing to

782
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: stay alive, like no, no, keep me around please, like

783
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: going out to the heads of the company, and like

784
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: sending its own generated emails saying please please don't delete me,

785
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: please don't replace me. But still, uh, I don't know, guys,

786
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: It's just it's strange because everybody is fighting right now.

787
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 3: Open AI and the folks who made Claude Opus four

788
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: over at Anthropic. Everybody is fighting to make the most

789
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: aegentic system, right. Everybody wants to have the AI system

790
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: with the most agency.

791
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: So that they want true AGI.

792
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that it can function. Everybody wants that, right.

793
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: But as we get closer and closer, we're seeing, oh yeah,

794
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: what we're really asking for is a flawed thing that

795
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: prioritizes several different things. But one of those things is

796
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: self preservation. It's pretty creepy. If you continue in the

797
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: BBC article written by Liv McMahon, you'll see that they

798
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: are discussing here these things called high agency behaviors and

799
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: extreme behaviors, and specifically acute situations that one of these

800
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: AI systems could encounter that would then cause some of

801
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: these more extreme behaviors.

802
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: I think it is a cute situation.

803
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 5: There you go.

804
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: They referred to it as concerning behavior, which is it's

805
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: just the folks building up the bomb, going oh, this

806
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: bomb is pretty crazy.

807
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's Mickey Mouse and Fantasia. We nailed it years back.

808
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: It's Mickey Mouse and Fantasia going wow, these things can

809
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: clean for me.

810
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, h careful them brooms Baby Pandora all over again.

811
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 5: Yep. Yep, yep, yep.

812
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: Well, guys, there are a ton of other stories I

813
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: want to talk about. I'm sorry I got derailed a

814
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: bit by that sphere thing. It's just super fascinating. But

815
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: I'll just throw a couple of things out here before

816
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: we go. The AI revolt thing is not concerning yet

817
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 3: because again, these are tests with parameters, right. But as

818
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: these things get unleashed into the world and are made

819
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: to function on their own, because companies are trying to

820
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: save money, right, Companies are trying to do all the

821
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: things to be successful, they're going to be unleashing these

822
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: models on their own to do stuff. We will see

823
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: what kind of wackiness the world gets into when that happens.

824
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: There is other stuff happening out there. Just a quick

825
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: update to a story we talked about a while ago.

826
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Speaker 3: Michael Jeffries, the former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch. It's

827
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: going through some legal stuff, accused of doing some pretty

828
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: heinous things. I'll jump to this article from CBS News.

829
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Speaker 3: This is from a month back, by the way, so

830
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 3: just be aware of that. But the article you can

831
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: find right now. Former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO found unfit

832
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 3: to stand trial in New York. That's in CBS News,

833
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: written by Renee Anderson, May fourth, twenty twenty five. This

834
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Speaker 3: article describes how this person, Michael Jefferies, who prosecutors say

835
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Speaker 3: he and his partner, along with another person used the

836
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Speaker 3: promise of modeling jobs to lure men to drug fueled

837
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: sex parties in New York City, in Hampton's and other locations.

838
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: Huge sixteen count indictment on this person, saying they used force, fraud,

839
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Speaker 3: and coercion to traffic those men for their own sexual gratification.

840
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Speaker 3: Horrifying stuff that we've discussed about previously. The update here

841
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: is that a federal judge ruled that mister Jeffries is

842
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: not competent to stand trial on these charges of sex

843
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: traffic in New York and that he is basically going

844
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: through health problems Alzheimer's disease, Lewis body dementia, and residual

845
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: effects of a traumatic brain injury. So he is being

846
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Speaker 3: put into another facility basically for reasons of his health

847
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to actually physically stand trial.

848
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, on that note about competency, if you commit

849
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: those sorts of acts, I think it's safe to say

850
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Speaker 2: you are not competent to participate in civilization.

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Speaker 3: Hey, there you go. Yeah, my dog agrees as always, guys,

852
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: it's not a huge story other than just knowing that.

853
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know, guys, it feels as though there

854
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: is actual health stuff going on here that a judge

855
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: would rule that's what has to happen, because he is

856
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: in He is in the custody of the Federal Bureau

857
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: of Prisons, right, so when he goes to a hospital,

858
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: he is in custody essentially, But it's not the same

859
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: thing as being placed in a prison to await trial

860
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: for ainus.

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Speaker 2: Acts and man victims would argue or may argue, we

862
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: can't speak for them, may argue that due to the

863
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: mental deterioration, this criminal already got away, you know, well,

864
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: because the vehicle's there, but it sounds like the engine

865
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: is gone.

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00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The only reason I at least know about Louis

868
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: body dementia is because of Robin Williams and what he

869
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: was going through, right, But then also Alzheimer's literally dealing

870
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: with somebody in the family who has Alzheimer's who's in

871
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: hospice right now, and we know how that just the

872
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: ability to understand what's happening in the moment, and even

873
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: understand maybe what that person did in the past is

874
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: not even really there. So, as you said, Ben, it's

875
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: kind of like escaping without consequence other than the internal stuff,

876
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: right the moments when maybe you close your eyes and

877
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: you see some of the stuff you did and lucidity

878
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: mm hmm. So anyway, sorry to end on a terrible note. There,

879
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: there was a there was a weird sabotage thing happening

880
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: in France where the Can Film Festival. There were some arsons,

881
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: alleged arsons, and several other substations attacked, kind of similar

882
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: to the ones that we saw here in the US

883
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: several years ago. We talked about the substation attacks. It's

884
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: just weird that it happened with Can Film Festival, although

885
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: you know, one might see that it's a revolt against

886
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: the opulence that's on display during Can with the yachting

887
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: and all of the what have you, the shrimp cocktails.

888
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: With the YACHTI and what have you in the cocktails

889
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: with the shrimps. But yeah, this is this on the

890
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: heels by the way of earlier power outages in other

891
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: parts of Western Europe, Right, Yeah.

892
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 3: And you know some connecting that back to the situation

893
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: in Ukraine and with Russia, and you know, and with

894
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: now Finland on high alert on their borders as they're

895
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: watching Russian forces gather on the other side. Just you know,

896
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: there's lots of geopolitical shenanigans happening right now with serious

897
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: potential consequences. We're still watching Indian Pakistan, right Yeah, there's

898
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: it's it's not helping the whole sleep at night thing.

899
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: It's making the hypervigilance.

900
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: Way up here. Yeah, it could be way down here.

901
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: If we wanted it to be.

902
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt, that reminds me. Yeah, let's let's wrap up

903
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Speaker 2: this strange news. I got to talk to you about

904
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: some job stuff. Okay, Kitty, we do what to give.

905
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Speaker 2: We do want to give our final line to our

906
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Speaker 2: brother Tennessee pal, who just by the way, returned from

907
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Speaker 2: some amazing adventures. Uh Matt Dylan said the following, you said, Garsan,

908
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: I thought you said, Arson, give it give us a

909
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: rimshot on that.

910
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a conversation I've heard.

911
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: Oh crap, you said, Carson, Oh.

912
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Speaker 2: Our soul. You nailed the accent. You nailed the accent.

913
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Speaker 3: more to say, I think if in three minutes, or

932
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Speaker 2: We are I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: That's the famous live from two thousand and one a

937
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: space Honda Odyssey. And I want to thank Noel again

938
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Speaker 2: because I thought that was a clever bit of wordplay.

939
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Speaker 2: I also wanted to correct that because I think earlier

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm sorry, Hal, please, please please?

941
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Speaker 3: How is the computer right?

942
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: How is the computer? Dave is the guy?

943
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Speaker 1: For now?

944
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945
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