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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmly joined by Andrew Erickson and Derek Brown. Fellas

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Speaker 1: we are talking draft day decisions.

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Speaker 2: It's still the middle of.

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Speaker 1: June, but Draft season is just around the corner. It'll

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Speaker 1: be here sooner than you think. I was just telling

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Speaker 1: you guys before the show, I have my Scott Fishball

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Speaker 1: draft this weekend, which kind of stuck up on me here,

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Speaker 1: and we're looking at some players across all the positions

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Speaker 1: that are ranked near each other, and we see as

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Speaker 1: sort of debatable head to head.

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Speaker 2: Hey, who do you got here?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you guys will see some of these is not

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Speaker 1: that close. I went based on the expert consensus rankings,

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Speaker 1: not your guys' rankings, So we'll see where you guys

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Speaker 1: come down on these players. But we've got a few

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Speaker 1: running backs, some receivers, quarterback, tight end, and we've got

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Speaker 1: some rookies versus veterans at the end of the show,

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Speaker 1: so we're hitting a bunch of different names here.

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Speaker 2: In the episode.

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Speaker 1: I also was just saying, deebro, I think it's been

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Speaker 1: a minute since he's in a show with the three

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Speaker 2: How are you doing buddy.

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Speaker 3: Doing good man. Yeah, Scott Fishball I think is stinking

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Speaker 3: up on everybody. I mean, we're drafting teams before training

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Speaker 3: camp starts, but we're all in it to win it, man.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's been a minute, probably since what last

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Speaker 3: year regular season, Worm, maybe even maybe.

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Speaker 1: Last year preseason. Last that was the three of us

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Speaker 1: something like. You know, we've obviously done shows together, just

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Speaker 1: not with the with the spry.

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Speaker 3: You got a little bit of tan. Looks like you've

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Speaker 3: been outside.

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Speaker 1: Skress mid nineties out here, so not spending that much

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Speaker 1: time outside these days. My dog can't really handle it,

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Speaker 1: but a little here and there ericson.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing in the Great Northeast.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Worm. I don't know if we've talked

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Speaker 4: about since I've gotten my puppy how that experience has been.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we've done a show scars. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I got a lot of battle scars. My hands are

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Speaker 4: pretty beaten up, a lot of bloody hands over the

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Speaker 4: last couple of days. But we're making it work. Archie

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Speaker 4: very looking forward to seeing him grow up and p

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Speaker 1: I remember his name is Archie. I don't actually remember

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Speaker 1: what type of dog is he.

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Speaker 4: He is a Golden Retriever, but he's very light, so

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Speaker 4: like that's why we get a lot of questions about, oh,

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Speaker 4: what kind of dog is he? He's a golden Retriever

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Speaker 4: because he's not really gold he's much more white. We'll

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Speaker 4: see how sad white. See if he stays lighter as

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Speaker 4: he gets a little bit older. But uh, yeah, he's

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Speaker 4: a Retriever for sure. I throw the ball, he comes back.

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Speaker 1: When I adopted by a dog, I was like, dog

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Speaker 1: must be at least two and a half years old.

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Speaker 2: I had no interest in getting a puppy.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I want a dog that's already seen

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Speaker 3: Trying to give Eric the heads up, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we've got some babies against veterans, rookies against veterans.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, that's coming at the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with the ruddy backs here just a

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Speaker 1: reminder for everybody. All of our twenty twenty six consensus

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Speaker 1: rankings and tears can be found at fantasypros dot com

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Speaker 1: slash rankings.

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Speaker 2: We're going based off the half PPR rankings.

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Speaker 1: When I so when I list, oh, this guy's a

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Speaker 1: LAB thirteen whatever, that's what I'm referring to half PPR.

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Speaker 1: You guys can so check out ericson and debros and

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Speaker 1: fits his rankings on the staff rankings page as well

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Speaker 2: That's enough of a preamble. Let's dive right in at

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Speaker 2: the running backs.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do one kind of at the top,

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna start off with that.

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey RB three versus Jonathan Taylor RB four. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: don't need to tell you, guys, Christian McAffrey and Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 1: right both have been league winners at times in the past.

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Speaker 1: Both have finished as RB one in previous seasons. Deebra,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, who do you prefer this year,

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Speaker 3: That's Christian McCaffrey. And I understand the risk that he

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Speaker 3: But if you freaking stay as healthy guys, he's probably

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Speaker 3: there Still Christian McCaffrey. I can't shy away from the volume.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to decrease his workload. I have a

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Speaker 1: the top forty ericson do you see any more certainty

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Speaker 1: Last four years has McCaffrey missed a lot of time,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that both of them have like similar

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Speaker 4: And we've seen this story not once but twice where

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Speaker 4: he's led the NFL in touches. The fantasy finishes after

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Speaker 4: those seasons nowhere near number three overall among running backs,

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Speaker 4: Like that's the thing for me. So for me, I

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Speaker 4: is healthy, I will be wrong. The receiving is definitely

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Speaker 4: But I saw enough from him last year with the

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Speaker 4: leading the NFL and touches since twenty thirteen. The data

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Speaker 4: that is really hard to bet on being there for

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Speaker 4: So I can get behind that. But that's those are

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Speaker 4: my concerns for CMC. Again, I like door number three,

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Speaker 4: which is James Cook. That's who I would have over

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Speaker 4: So I know we didn't bring him up, but I

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Speaker 4: I have Jonathan Taylor at RB four, I think that

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Speaker 4: he's fine where he goes. I think he's gonna see

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Speaker 4: a boatload of volume. And last year, when Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: What the odds were hearing him to score three touchdowns

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Speaker 4: from the betting perspective, So, I think Taylor's fine his

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Speaker 4: EASTO that's where I have him. But I'm lower ranking

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Speaker 4: sens in CMC. I'm not going to have him this year,

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Speaker 4: and I'm okay with that because I've just faded this

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Speaker 2: That's interesting, Uncook.

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Speaker 1: He's at the top of tier two in the rankings,

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Speaker 2: Are you going, let's set aside cook for a second.

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Speaker 1: Are you going with CMC and Taylor with your pick

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Speaker 1: you guys going with a receiver in the first round

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Speaker 1: this year? Which would you prefer positionally because they are

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Speaker 1: ranked seventh and ninth in the overall rankings, not positionally deepro.

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Speaker 3: I'll go Cooker, I'm gonna take a receiver. That's the

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Speaker 3: other part of this is I'm not like I'll take

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Speaker 3: CMC in this debate, but the I mean, in a

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Speaker 3: the directions outside of both of these.

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Speaker 4: Players you take. Would you take I'mnra over both these guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I feel I feel I would do that as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean a Monra has literally been the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: three seasons. He's the new wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: So yes, I would take just to lock it in,

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Speaker 3: Just give me the top five wide receiver four in ranks,

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Speaker 3: Like honestly, I question what are you doing in life?

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Speaker 3: But anyway, the conversation for a different day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there's a consensus top five overall this year,

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Speaker 1: Bjeon Chase gives Puka JSN in some order in the

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Speaker 1: consensus rankings.

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Speaker 2: Amen Ra is the sixth player.

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Speaker 1: He's the first guy behind that top five, so it

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Speaker 1: goes him, then CMC, then LAMB, then JT, then you

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Speaker 1: of the range that we're at. Like I said, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to ask with them because they're right at

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Bucky Irving. I have him

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Speaker 4: the Fantasy Black Book. Per Derek Brown. Judkins last year

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Speaker 1: You gave kind of a ooh when Ericson gave his pick.

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Speaker 3: I am. I'm gonna go with Judkins in this, and

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Speaker 3: the pendulum has swung too far from me with Irving.

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Speaker 4: Let me see if I can win you over or

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Speaker 3: But it had been mass Will being proof. We've talked, yes,

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Speaker 4: Better, Yes, However, are we still not going to be

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Speaker 4: the primer Kenneth game well week one, Baby, fire him

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Speaker 4: I think that his production is more replaceable than what

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Speaker 3: Like you could be tilting your face off when Kenny

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Speaker 1: Let's go to one more head to head at the

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Speaker 1: It's fun that they're back to back in ECR RB

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Speaker 3: I'm taking Korum and this is I feel like I'm

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Speaker 3: By the way, Debro, I've got Koram at RB thirty five.

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Speaker 3: I've got Kylamanan Guy RB thirty nine.

434
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Speaker 2: Okay, so close, but Koram ahead close, but Korum's got

435
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Speaker 2: the edge. Yeah, what do you think? Ericson?

436
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Speaker 4: I agree with everything Deebro said, so I also I

437
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 4: also have Koram, so I don't actually have a lot

438
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Speaker 4: more to add Korm RB thirty five, khaman On Guy

439
00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 4: at RB thirty six, Because I think that the conversation

440
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 4: really should be about the contingent upside play because I

441
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 4: think in most scenario is like, you're not going to

442
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 4: play either of these guys if you draft them. They're

443
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,879
Speaker 4: gonna be bench running backs that we know have a

444
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Speaker 4: ton and ton of upside, and I'm just not going

445
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 4: to be trying to play the game. Well, well, maybe

446
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,400
Speaker 4: this guy takes over for Swift or maybe this guy

447
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 4: takes over for Kyro, Like, I'm just not gonna play

448
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,000
Speaker 4: that game. It's a matter of like, hey, when one

449
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,639
Speaker 4: of these guys gets a chance, who am I going

450
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Speaker 4: to be ranking top five? It's probably gonna play Corn

451
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Speaker 4: and not Kyle Manunga. Not to say that Manungi still

452
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 4: can't be useful, but I think that you really should

453
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 4: be looking at as especially because they're just they're bench

454
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 4: players going outside the top thirty running backs again in

455
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Speaker 4: a pinch, And I didn't think about it too, but

456
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Speaker 4: de Row brings up a good point about like the

457
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 4: positive game scripts, right, because that's where you get these

458
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,439
Speaker 4: secondary running backs. They get a little bit more run.

459
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Speaker 4: That's where kuorm if the Rams are killing some other

460
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 4: team oras the Bears like they're probably gonna be more

461
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Speaker 4: in back and forth games because I don't think their

462
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 4: defense is nearly as good as the Rams defense is,

463
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Speaker 4: so for me, it's also Blake korm.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rams are gonna be favorites in every game

465
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Speaker 1: they play this season, outside of maybe at Seattle. Like

466
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: that's a lot of opportunity for Blake Koram. Let me

467
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: just throw another name at you, guys, because he wasn't

468
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Speaker 1: near them in ECR, but he is in our staff ranking,

469
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Speaker 1: so I'm curious you guys have him closer. Jonathan Brooks

470
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: is right behind these two, and the staff rankings again

471
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Speaker 1: not expert consensus, just our fantas bros.

472
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Speaker 2: Rankings.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Brooks versus these? I'll say

474
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Speaker 1: verus korum since he's ahead for both of you, Brooks

475
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Speaker 1: or Koram.

476
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Speaker 3: I've got Brooks over both of them. Okay, but even

477
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Speaker 3: I'm not even scared about it at all. I think

478
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Speaker 3: Brooks is gonna break out. I think it's gonna be

479
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Speaker 3: the lead running back. I don't care. I'm all in

480
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Speaker 3: on Jonathan Brooks this year. Ericat you for not trading

481
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Speaker 3: him to me warm.

482
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Speaker 1: Sorry about that, Eric, So how do you feel about

483
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Speaker 1: you know, Brooks versus these two.

484
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Speaker 4: Of the three names you mentioned, there was only one

485
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Speaker 4: of them that was in my must have targets and

486
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Speaker 4: his name is Jonathan Brooks, So that's the guy that

487
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 4: got some Look understand that Brooks probably has way more

488
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 4: risk and totally chance to just completely dut out, whereas

489
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 4: these guys you see the path are gonna have value

490
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Speaker 4: all year long. But I mean, Brooks is the one

491
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Speaker 4: guy that does in necessarily need injury to take overs backfield.

492
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 4: I think that we can all agree with that, and

493
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 4: that matters so significantly, especially when you're not drafting Brooks

494
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Speaker 4: as a starter still, like he's still going outside the

495
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 4: top thirty running backs. He's just a late run running

496
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: back with a ton of upside that I think when

497
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 4: push comes to shove, you're just gonna want to make

498
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Speaker 4: sure you get them on your team.

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Speaker 1: If you told me, if you told me one of

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Speaker 1: these guys finished inside the top eighteen ah a position,

501
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Speaker 1: the one who has the best chance of that happening

502
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Speaker 1: without an injury is Brooks. Like that's exactly exactly right

503
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: what you just said, Eric Sance, for sure, So yeah,

504
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Speaker 1: I love Brooks too.

505
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Speaker 2: That's fine.

506
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Speaker 1: I actually kind of like all three of these guys.

507
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Speaker 1: I'm going to want to have them on my benches.

508
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: With the contingent upside with these two, and then built

509
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Speaker 1: in upside for Brooks.

510
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Speaker 2: So I want to let everybody know.

511
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Speaker 1: That hard draft decisions are a lot easier when you've

512
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Speaker 1: already practiced them. With the draft simulator, you can run

513
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514
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515
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516
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Speaker 1: two players with almost identical ECRs, go to fantasypros dot com,

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Speaker 1: draft simulator and build a draft plan you can trust

519
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Speaker 1: a right, guys, Let's get to the wide receivers, always

520
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: a really fun position to talk about debates during draft season.

521
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: This time in the summer, we've got some names spread

522
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: out throughout the rounds. We'll start closer to the top here,

523
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: not a first round names, but guys who are ranked

524
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Speaker 1: just outside the top twelve of the position. That's Teteroa

525
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: McMillan at wide receiver thirteen and DeVante Smith at wide

526
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Speaker 1: receiver fifteen. Obviously, Smith has the interesting factor of aj

527
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Speaker 1: Brown no longer being there.

528
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Speaker 2: I know Ericsson's going to be all over that.

529
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Speaker 1: Ttero McMillan, a player that Deebro and I both really

530
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Speaker 1: really liked wing into last season and now steps into

531
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Speaker 1: year two. So I'm curious to see where you guys

532
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Speaker 1: go in this direction. Ericson, I'll start with you on

533
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: this one. McMillan or Smith.

534
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Speaker 4: I like both guys at their prices that they have

535
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Speaker 4: at I have, but I have t Mac high wide

536
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: receiver thirteen versus Devanta Smith at wide receiver fifteen. I

537
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: think that when I'm looking at who's going to be

538
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Speaker 4: a number one true alpha target machine, I slightly lean

539
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 4: towards Team Mac, just based on the growth projection that

540
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 4: I had for him entering his second season. I mean,

541
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 4: offensive Rookie of the Year last year, and I know

542
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: that it wasn't It was more due to the lack

543
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 4: of the competition around him, and he kind of backdoored

544
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 4: his way into it. But the fact that he was

545
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: able to be really consistent throughout a seventeen or eighteen

546
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: game season where the Panthers made the playoffs, that's where

547
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 4: I lean on McMillan. I think when they built the

548
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Speaker 4: passing game out of him last year, any game where

549
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: he out double digit targets, averaged eighteen points per game

550
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: in those four contents. Is so, I think that the

551
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 4: Panthers are going to throw a little bit more this year.

552
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Speaker 4: I think by the moves that they're telling us that

553
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: they got to figure out what they have with Bryce Young.

554
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: They got to know if can this guy be a

555
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 4: player that we can win because of and not just

556
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: win with. I think I know where I settle on that,

557
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: but I think the Panthers have to do the due

558
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: diligence of being like, hey, we got to let him

559
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: drop back and throw some more. We have weapons around him.

560
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm not concerned that the Jalen Cocher emergence is going

561
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 4: to hurt team act because I think that is in

562
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Speaker 4: essence of I don't think t X tar are going

563
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 4: to be going away. I think it's just gonna be

564
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 4: those of the top two guys that get fed in

565
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: the offense. I don't think there's a title of consequence there.

566
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: I think Chris Brazl is there to just kind of

567
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 4: make things open up underneath for a player like Tea

568
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: Mac So for me again, seventy catch one thousand yards,

569
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 4: seven touchdowns in his first year. I mean that's kind

570
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Speaker 4: of what Devanta Smith has been doing for the most

571
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Speaker 4: of his career. Round that type of range, a little

572
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Speaker 4: over a thousand yards five to seven seven eight, four touchdowns.

573
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Speaker 4: I get that there's a growth progression with DeVante Smith,

574
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: but he still has, in my opinion, more target competition

575
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: between Dallas Goddard, who's Jalen Hurt's favorite target, especially underneath.

576
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 4: And I don't want to totally disregard McKayle Lemon. He's

577
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: a first round pick. T Mac I think has much

578
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Speaker 4: less competition in his receiver room, and I also just

579
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Speaker 4: think he's a superstar. I think both guys are really,

580
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 4: really good. But if I'm betting on who's going to

581
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Speaker 4: be a number one alpha Dog, it's going to be

582
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Speaker 4: Team Maac for me.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but both players are good.

584
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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are going to discree

585
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: at that point obviously, So it's going to come down

586
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: to things like situation, role, quarterback play, deepra Where do

587
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: you come down on it between the two?

588
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be very clear, this is not

589
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: a shade at Tterrorro Macvillan's talent at all. Freaking love

590
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: the kid. I mean, like a pounded the table for

591
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: him when everybody said he was too big, too slow,

592
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: didn't watch film, all that kind of stuff. He didn't

593
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: deserve to be the wide receiver one over that of

594
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: that class. And I just laughed my butt off the

595
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: whole time that people were making that conversation. This comes

596
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: down to, like I think we have passing volume concerns

597
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: for both of these offenses. We know what Philly wants

598
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: to do. They want to run the ball. This comes

599
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 3: down to, I want to bet on the better quarterback,

600
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: and that's Jalen Hurt's, hands down. I don't think anybody's

601
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: gonna debate that either. And I have big concerns about

602
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: the passing volume for Carolina, even though like because of

603
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: the quarterback play, even though like you could say the

604
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: same thing for Philly again, Jalen Hursts is hands down

605
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: a better quarterback than Bryce Shung. And I'm just gonna

606
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: throw all these numbers out of y'all, guys. Like weeks

607
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: three through eighteen with Terrorow, Bryce Schunk surpassed thirty five

608
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: passing attempts only once. He had only two games with

609
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: over two hundred and twenty five passing yards. He only

610
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: surpassed two hundred passing yards in three games. So I

611
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: think Carolina this comes down to they want to win ballgames,

612
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: and they went to a run first offense last year. Again,

613
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Speaker 3: going back to Jonathan Brooks, I think they can lean

614
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Speaker 3: on Brooks this year, leon on Brooks and Hubbard if

615
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Speaker 3: you want to throw him into that mix and they're

616
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: going to try to grind out wins again. You could

617
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: say the same thing for the Eagles. But I feel

618
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: better about Devonte Smith and his ability to carve out

619
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Speaker 3: volume because Tedoro McMillen is good. Like Erickson talked about,

620
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: like even last year, we saw this be a problem too.

621
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Speaker 3: It's like after let me see, let me go back

622
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: here after week nine or early since week nine. Last year,

623
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Speaker 3: he did only have double digit targets in two games

624
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: in the small snippet and it is incredibly small. Over

625
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: the last two years without aj Round in the freaking offense,

626
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: DeVonta Smith has earned a thirty two point nine percent

627
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: target chair and had two point sixty five yards per

628
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: route run. He has been in alpha and he can

629
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: be this year of a Phillies. So this comes down to,

630
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: like two run first offenses, which quarterback do I like better?

631
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: And I have a better feel on can they support

632
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: or raise up a wide receiver and honestly the skill

633
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: set and the target earning potential. I'm going with DeVonta

634
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: Smith in this one, and I'm more worried about tederomy Millon.

635
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: I think it also is something to note, like, I

636
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: don't think jagalen Cocher is coming for the wide receiver

637
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: one chair, But in the sample we're talking about in

638
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: the rookie season for Tederomy Millon, Jalen Cocher was not

639
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: even a full time player until Week eight last year.

640
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: So that also has to get thrown into the mix

641
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: of when we talk about target share and the volume

642
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: in this passing attack and what Ted did and what

643
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: he didn't do last year, the Jalen Cocher as the

644
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 3: clear wide receiver two in this passing attack wasn't even

645
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: a factor for half the season last year.

646
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

647
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Sorry, did you say deeper where you have McMillan ranked, Actually,

648
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Speaker 1: because it sounds like it's.

649
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: More I have a little huge divide.

650
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you're more down on him than

651
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: it is that you're particularly up on Smith, right, Yeah, Well,

652
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean I mean relative to consensus ranking.

653
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: So because Smith is where in consensus wide receiver fifty fifteen, Yes,

654
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: I have him a smidg above that, just splitting hairs

655
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: between other guys in that range. Like I have Smith

656
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: a wide receiver eleven, again not very far off, but

657
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: I have Teed down at wide receiver twenty five. And

658
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: this is just more because I am worried about Bryce Shung.

659
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: And let's also like, let's let's project this out if

660
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: Bryce Shung is not good. Guys, do we think that

661
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett is rolling in to save the day for

662
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: this passing attack?

663
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: I definitely do not.

664
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: Hell no, Eric said anything else to add before we

665
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: move off these two.

666
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: I think that with tam Mac it's a matter of

667
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: I think he can be more efficient this year, and

668
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: I think that getting Jan Kocher is going to help

669
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 4: that because when you look at his rookie year, more

670
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: of it is counting stats, right over a thousand yards,

671
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: over one hundred and twenty targets, seventy catches. But his

672
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: efficiency didn't really scream out again, and I didn't even

673
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: really write anything about his yards per out run in

674
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: the Black Book this year because there was really nothing

675
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: that stood out about it. It was a matter of Okay,

676
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: he was just really consistent, offered a steady floor, didn't

677
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: have those spiked games. I think with Jalen Coker in

678
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: the fold, yeah, it doesn't mean he's going to get

679
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: more targets, but it means he's going to get less

680
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: coverage towards him. He's going to operate, I think be

681
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: more efficient, especially with Brazle too. So I think that

682
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: this Panthers passing game is going to get more opportunities

683
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: this year, which is where I just like, I just

684
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: disagree with you, but say.

685
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: So Eric ericson where do you have because this is

686
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: another concern than I have for tet because if you

687
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: look at like the table two seasons for him, weeks

688
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: one through ten, he had two receiving touchdowns and they

689
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: both came in the same game. Now after that, so

690
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: weeks eleven through say eighteen, he scored for five touchdowns. Dude,

691
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: that is a tail of two seasons. So which how

692
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: do you project his touchdown equity in this offense? Like

693
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: is it what we saw at the beginning of the

694
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: season or is it what we saw at the back end?

695
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: Because it's like, if you look at the beginning of

696
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: the season, it's like, oh, crap, he might be like

697
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: a five to six touchdown guy if everything works out. Okay,

698
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: if you look at the back end of the season,

699
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, Ted might score like ten to twelve

700
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: touchdowns and that could massively swing where he finishes this year.

701
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that the touchdowns are tough to try

702
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: to parse between because it's going to be tending on

703
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 4: when Caroline is playing a bad matchup where Bryce Young

704
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: can throw the ball a little bit more. However, with me,

705
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 4: it's the floor that he offered last year as a

706
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: rookie again, thrown in the fire the day once like hey,

707
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: you gotta be our alpha, do it, and I thought

708
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: he delivered. I think that's really impressive and shouldn't go

709
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: unnoticed now entering year two, where we see guys take

710
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: massive leaps. Getting his wide receiver fifteen last year as

711
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 4: a rookie attached to Bryce Hung in a run first offense,

712
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: it's pretty pretty good. So I think that he's justeduld

713
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: continue to grow.

714
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to what I think is another fun one,

715
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: Lad mccackey wide receiver nineteen versus Emecca Agbuka Wide receiver

716
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: twenty one a couple of young guys, a couple of

717
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: guys with new play callers this year and their offenses,

718
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: talented guys too who have really flashed at times, players

719
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: that I both really like it. I'll just say even

720
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: at this cost, I'm very in on both Lad and Agbuka,

721
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: but I had to head a little tougher. So Dee

722
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: brough start with you on this one. Lad mcconckie and

723
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: mecha a Buka.

724
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: This is easy Agbuka for me, like, I don't have

725
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: this particularly close. I think we've already seen Agbuka right now.

726
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: He's wide receiver twenty one. We've already seen him crush

727
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: that like last year before the hamstring injury, weeks one

728
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: through five he was the wide receiver three in fantasy

729
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: points per game. And again going back to like a

730
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: previous Bucks conversation, we already had, what does Chris Godwin

731
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: have left in the tank? Ted Hurst? I really love him,

732
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: but is he going to hit through the ground running

733
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: this year? Jimimcmillan. Can he stay healthy? He's not a

734
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: high end target shair earner. We know Kate Otton is

735
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: not that guy, So Igbuka, I just think Delane is

736
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: absolutely clear for him to be a wide receiver one

737
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: this year in fantasy at least had the upside to

738
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: do that. And we've already seen him perform like that.

739
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: And then I know everybody's so concerned about the falloff,

740
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: and ericson you made this point and I thought it

741
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: was incredibly sage when you said this before in previous shows.

742
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: Is that if you flipped a Buka's season on its

743
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 3: head and he's finished the season like he started it,

744
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: the conversation around at Buka would be absolutely astronomically different.

745
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: And I can't agree with that more. And when even

746
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: when we saw a Buka struggle, he still was earning

747
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: week six through eighteen a twenty three point one percent

748
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: target chare. He had almost a twenty nine percent first

749
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: read share in that offense. Those are both metrics that

750
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: even Lad mcconki at his best, has never in the

751
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: NFL earned market share marks that high. He has been

752
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: consistent like a twenty two percent target chair guy, a

753
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: guy that's hovered in like the blow to mid twenties

754
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: in first LA share. Could he take another leap this year?

755
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: Sure that could happen. The other thing that we don't

756
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: know about Laden McConkey is for a player that was

757
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: last year like a sixty sixty five percent slot player.

758
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: If the Chargers run more twelve and thirteen personnel this year,

759
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: is he on the field when they go too wide?

760
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: Or is it q J and Trey Harris? And that

761
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: might sound blasphemous and crazy to people, but if he's

762
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: the freaking starting slot rode receiver and they don't run

763
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: him in two wide, he's going to be capped as

764
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: far as his route chear goes. And I don't think

765
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: any of us know definitively if he's going to be

766
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: that wide receiver in two wide receiver sets, and if

767
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: he's not, it's gonna hurt him. And that's not even

768
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: talking about which version of Mike nc Daniel do we get?

769
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: Is he run first or is he pass heavy? Because

770
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: in four years of Miami, you got two years of

771
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: sample on both sides of the coin. I don't know

772
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: what to do with that damn offense.

773
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I know what I want to do with that damn offense.

774
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Just invest in it. I just want to have as

775
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: much as But.

776
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: It's hurt, hurt, and it's a'm mariy On Hampton and

777
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: it's a free Trey Harrison QJ that I want to

778
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: invest in. It's not Lad McConkie as a top twenty

779
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver where you're paying to invest in it.

780
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: I think it's so.

781
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that you have at BUKA higher. I

782
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: think that's totally justifiable. I am surprised that you don't

783
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: think it's close. I really like, again, this offense in general.

784
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 2: I want to invest in as much as possible.

785
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: I just I think Mike McDaniel is too smart and

786
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: too creative of a guy to say, oh, our best

787
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: receiver happens to have played in the slot mostly in

788
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Well, I guess we're just

789
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: not going to put him on the field now. Lad

790
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: mccacky's really fast. Mike McDaniel loves speed. Lad mccacky's their

791
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: best receiver. I mean, I think we I certainly think

792
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: that's pretty obvious. He's shown an upside before in with

793
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: a much worse play caller. He was wide receiver twelve

794
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: and half VPR scoring as a rookie. Now he gets

795
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel hopefully more healthy offensive line this season. You know,

796
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for Herbert in this offense. I think

797
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: McConkie is going to benefit. I think Omrion Hampton will

798
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: also benefit. I think McDaniel is good enough to like

799
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: the stuff with like the run heavy things in in Miami, Like, yeah,

800
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: he hit to a tongue of b I looa like

801
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: a broken version of Tua that he was working around

802
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and a great running back. Now he's got both. I

803
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: think he's too smart to not have mccackie in the field.

804
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: That's that's he's got a head coach that he's working

805
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: for that wants to run the damn ball.

806
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Harbust, harbust.

807
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Talking about like he's just gonna let McDaniel do what

808
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: he wants. He's talking about not putting his thumb on

809
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: the scale and trusting.

810
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: That you know, brought me to the media. That's that's

811
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: a fair rebuttal it's totally fair.

812
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 3: In the media and be like, hey, you know what,

813
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: I got the reins in on this guy. He's only

814
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: gonna do what I tell him to do. He's not

815
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: gonna say that to the media.

816
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: You're you're exactly right, But I'm cheusing to be optimistic

817
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: of that. I just I just want as much Chargers

818
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: as I can get and Ladd is in.

819
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm in on the offense. I'm in on the offense.

820
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: I want to I.

821
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: Also want Quentin Johnston, Lee and Trey Harris for free,

822
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: and O'maron Hampton, I want them all ericson what do

823
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: you think you seem to be agreeing on?

824
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: On Lad?

825
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 4: I also have Lad ranked higher. I've met wide receiver seventeen.

826
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: Abuka I have at wide receiver twenty two. It's interesting

827
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: that you put these players against each other because Ladd

828
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: kind of did what Egbuka did last year, but it

829
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: was separated by two seasons where Ladd is rookie again.

830
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: Ladd's rookie year seventeen games, ninety one catches for nearly

831
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: thirteen fifty yards and eight touchdowns. How many guys hit

832
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: over thirteen hundred yards receiving last year? Five five guys.

833
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, I buy that. Mike Daniels probably going to

834
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 4: have that player that hit almost fourteen hundred yards receiving

835
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: as a featured piece in his passing game. That's you know,

836
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm going out on a limb by

837
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: suggesting that. And this is from the Coach Speak Index

838
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: talking about Harbaugh and how his fit in Ladd McConkie

839
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: and Mike McDaniel's offense, and he was basically paraphrasing with

840
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: Mike and saying that, Yeah, this is the potential for

841
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: him to have his best year he's ever had in

842
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: pro football. And so if he's able to top thirteen

843
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: one hundred yards, eight touchdowns, ninety one plus catches, get

844
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: over one hundred catches, yeah, I want all of LADDI mcconk,

845
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: I want Yeah again, I want to invest in the

846
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 4: Chargers offense anywhere I can in these drafts. They're playing

847
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: the Arizona Car in Week one. Boys, like, this team

848
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: is going to come out guns blazing, and I think

849
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: they're going to smash to start the year. They play

850
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 4: a lot of tougher offenses. As the season progresses, I

851
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: think it just means more shootouts. So I want the Chargers,

852
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: and I think Lad's gonna be the No. Number one

853
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: wide receiver here. Again, going back to my original point,

854
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: Bladd had one great year and one bad year. Aguka

855
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: had one half of a good year and one half

856
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: of a bad year. I'm going to lean into a

857
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: more complete sample size of Ladd's rookie season, where he

858
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: was great the entire year, whereas Abuka the tail of

859
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: two halves. So I think that it's the bigger sample size.

860
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 4: With mcconkee playing at an elite level for fantasy production,

861
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: I think that just pushed him a little bit over

862
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: Agbuka for me, and both guys are benevitting from vacated targets.

863
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: Just to be clear, Mike Evans is gone, Keenan Allen

864
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: is gone again. If Keen Allen comes back, okay, we

865
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 4: can have a different conversation. But right now, Keenan Allen

866
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: and his team leading targets are no longer part of

867
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: the Chargers picture, and I think that's a big win

868
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: for McConkie.

869
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: With Ladd as good as he was as a rookie,

870
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: he was still only wide receiver sixteen in fantasy points

871
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: per game? Does he have the meat on the bone

872
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: to be a wide receiver one? And hold on, I

873
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: want to ask you that question, Ericson. But also, for

874
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: as good as he's been, he's only earned a nineteen

875
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: point eight percent target chaer and a twenty two point

876
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: nine percent target chare in his rookie season. Do you

877
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: think lad can be a wide receiver one in fantasy,

878
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: and do you see him bucking this trend over two

879
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: seasons and becoming a twenty five to twenty six percent

880
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: target s Chaer guy. Because if he doesn't do that,

881
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: I just don't see the upside where you're drafting Lad

882
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: versus Agbuka has already shown us the upside in a

883
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: small sample, albeit to crush his ADP, and Ladd hasn't

884
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: shown that yet.

885
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 4: Well, that put up thirteen hundred yards. It's a rookie.

886
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: That's a lot of upside. You look, you gottaok at

887
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: the PLAYFF.

888
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: Game and he was wide receiver sixteen and fantasy points

889
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: per game.

890
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you gotta include that postseason game against Houston

891
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: Texans where he had like two hundred receiving yards.

892
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: It's still kind of fantasy.

893
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: I he's going to bring this up.

894
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: He had one hundred and ninety seven yards and a

895
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: touchdown receiving in that game against the fourteen targets nine

896
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: or sevens.

897
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: Again, like, I'm going to use all the data at

898
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: my disposal to try to project these players moving forward.

899
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: But do you think you sidestepped it? You're like a politician. Now,

900
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: Oh you thinks become a twenty five or twenty six

901
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: percent target share earner when he hasn't done that over

902
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: his first two seasons even gotten close to it.

903
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't, but I don't know if he really

904
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I mean, you're you're being

905
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: very granular, though. It's got to be twenty five percent

906
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: target share or else he can't be a wide receiver. One.

907
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: He was a receiver thirteen in points per game when

908
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: you could.

909
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: Play out run heavy. Yeah, he's going to have to

910
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: earn that type of target share because the passing volume

911
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: isn't going to be for him to unless he runs

912
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: out with incredible touchdown production the top. Like he's literally

913
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: not going to have enough volume unless he just spikes

914
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: and touchdowns if they're run heavy to get there. Yeah,

915
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: like that's a concern.

916
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: I think there's upside with both, is what I would

917
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: say to kind of to put a bow on it.

918
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: Is like, I think it's totally fine to prefer one

919
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: or the other.

920
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I do think they should be close, though, which is

921
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: where I disagree with Deebro and that he sees a

922
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: wider gap. I think there's upside with both of them.

923
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: But I will not fight anybody who says I'd rather

924
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: have a Buka. I Buka is a stud and I'm

925
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: really excited about him as well. So let's do one

926
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: more wide receiver one here, Roma Dunze wide receiver twenty

927
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: eight versus Marvin Harrison Junior at wide receiver thirty two.

928
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: Two guys, And this is coming from the same class, right,

929
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: Your three guys who have been disappointments relative to you know,

930
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: being top ten picks and some of the excitement there.

931
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: But I've had moments here there for both of them

932
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: have two interesting players, I think, players that I largely

933
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: want to be taking swings on, but have not quite

934
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: decided on where I'm comfortable doing that, like at what

935
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: ranking exactly I will be more excited to do that

936
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Deebro, I'll start with you here, Roma

937
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Dunze or Marvin Harrison Junior.

938
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: God, I want to so badly just say nine.

939
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 4: This is the one that gave me a stomach Egge,

940
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: I was like, oh no, hey, man.

941
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: I kind of a sheet and I was like, I'm

942
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: gonna puke. Let me get to this freaking debate, like

943
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: this is horrible. Man.

944
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: I gave you guys the opportunity to veto.

945
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: The real conversation that people need to hear this because

946
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: I think they're concerns with both of these guys like

947
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. You want to talk about the quarterback play,

948
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: you want to talk about being alfud by Michael Wilson

949
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: and Trey McBride, an offense that I think we all

950
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: collectively think is going to throw much less than they

951
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: did last year. Uh, Harrison Junior has not proven really

952
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: anything to this point. Roma Doon say, I am scared

953
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: to death of the of his foot.

954
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: Like I.

955
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: Foot injuries are problematic. They usually last over multiple years.

956
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: They could derail entire careers. Hello Sammy Watkins, hell over

957
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Shod Bateman. They've never been the same players since the

958
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: foot injuries. So you know, in a vacuum, I want

959
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: to tell you neither one of these guys if I

960
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: if I'm picking between them, which we're doing here, I

961
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: will give this light lean to Rome. We could point

962
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: to early season production of last year. Also, I think

963
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: we can point to a quarterback play play caller, passing volume,

964
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: all the things. So I'll give this light nod to Roam.

965
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: I have him at wide receiver thirty seven, and I

966
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: have Marvin Harrison Junior at wide receiver forty. But you know,

967
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 3: if I'm in a draft right now, I'm not picking

968
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: either one of these guys.

969
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned the foot stuff.

970
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard to not let my own personal

971
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: experience your history. Well, I had foot surgery last October

972
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: and it still hurts to run. Now, I am not

973
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, don't I even had professional training and

974
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: recovery from you know, doctors and a team of people.

975
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: Who put different worm. Is it different and not the

976
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: same as it was before?

977
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: It is different? And like I said, it still hurts

978
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: to run.

979
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: And we're in June and I got that surgery in October,

980
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: So I get I'm trying to not let that color

981
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: of my thoughts on a dose too much because again,

982
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: he has a much different of resources than I.

983
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: Do and athleticism level than I do.

984
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: But it is in the back of my mind whenever

985
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned the foot stuff.

986
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: Is your foot like a divining rod, Like when you

987
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: get into the raft simulator, do you just close your

988
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: eyes and as it goes through there the sound one

989
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: you can feel when Rome is coming up on the clock,

990
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: Like your foot just starts hurting. This this is the

991
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: wrong part of the draft simulator. Exactly what do I do?

992
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: The pain is is intense. No, no, I will not

993
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: give in.

994
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Uh basically ericson what do you think of Denza or

995
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: Harrison here? And deever I said he had them both

996
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: ranks lower than they are here.

997
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: Do you also agree with that?

998
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: I have them kind of in line with where consensus

999
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: has them. But again, like we head at the top,

1000
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: don't necessarily get this warm and fuzzy feeling about either

1001
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: guy being on my fantasy team. I think that Deeper

1002
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 4: did a good jump outlining the concerns with both players.

1003
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: For me, just kind of looking zooming out. I'm not

1004
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: gonna lose any sleep over not drafting an Arizona Cardinals

1005
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 4: this year. It's gonna be pretty honest with you, guys.

1006
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: It's a good call.

1007
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 4: You don't really care Chicago Bear's players, though. I don't

1008
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 4: get Chicago Bear in this offense, the NFL putting them

1009
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: in all these prime time games and they really take off.

1010
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel a lot of fomo if I don't

1011
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: get exposure to some type of Bear and right now,

1012
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 4: Ramadunzay is the cheapest of the pass catchers. Because Loveland

1013
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: is expensive, Luther Burden is expensive, and Adunzay when he

1014
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: was healthy last year, he was good. And the other

1015
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: thing with Adunsay two that's important to note is he's

1016
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: had an brutal uncatchable rate the last couple seasons sixty

1017
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: one percent as a rookie, fifty nine percent last year. Terrible, terrible.

1018
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: Eventually some of this stuff should regress positively in his fashion,

1019
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: where he's just getting some more catchable targets downfield. Now,

1020
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 4: maybe it's just never going to click with him in

1021
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, that's totally possible. But even with not the

1022
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: greatest catch raider accuracy last year, he was still putting

1023
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: up top ten fantasy numbers essentially, So even though I

1024
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 4: agree with him being the latest Bears pass catcher, he

1025
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: has a chance that he could be that sacrificial X

1026
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: in this offense, which could be really frustrating. He also has,

1027
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 4: I think, the chance to put up massive, massive spike

1028
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: weeks in games where they do connect downfield and he

1029
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 4: does get opportunities in the red zone. Where's Marvin Harrison Junior. Yeah,

1030
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: he could see similar type of targets down the field

1031
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: and in the red zone. But that's gonna happen way

1032
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 4: less frequently on the freaking Arizona Cardinals then it is

1033
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: on the Chicago Bears. So for me, that's ultimately what

1034
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 4: pushed o'doonsay over the top. For Marvin Harrison Junior went

1035
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 4: in doubt. Guys, Stone draft Arizona Cardinals players.

1036
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: Do you want Caleb Williams targets or would you like

1037
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: Carson targets?

1038
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: Which will take one of those sounds. I will take

1039
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: the guy on the on the mount and cover place.

1040
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I will say, if not for the foot injury stuff,

1041
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: I would be pounding the table for a dounsday as

1042
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: like at least eight spots too low in this ranking.

1043
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: I actually really like him, and with DJ Moore gone

1044
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: like we saw some really fun stuff before he got

1045
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: hurt last year. I like Luther Burden a lot, but

1046
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: I think we're a little too quick to anoint him

1047
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: as like he should be going ahead of a doonsay,

1048
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: like I you're two of the Ben Johnson you know

1049
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams pairing, I would be all over a dude.

1050
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: The foot is the only thing that makes me more

1051
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: okay with him being down here. I'm willing to take

1052
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: the swing at this ranking, but I would be like,

1053
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: this guy should be like a top eighteen receiver if

1054
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: not for the foot, I would be that excited about him.

1055
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: If not like I would be all over it.

1056
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 3: So agree, the foot issue scares the buta Jesus out

1057
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: of me, though, Like, because we've seen this play out

1058
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: over multiple years. It just yes, that scares the crap

1059
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: out of me because I'm worried that can Rome not

1060
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: only the effective, can he make it through the entire

1061
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: season playing on the foot? I don't know.

1062
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,800
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we've got pretty long on the running

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00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: backs of receivers, which I think is five. That's where

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00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: go a little quicker here on quarterbacks at tight ends.

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00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: At quarterback, the one that's ranked a little bit higher

1110
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: more in the QB one range, Trevor Lawrence at QB ten,

1111
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott at QB eleven. Back to back in ECR

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00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: ericson start with you, Trevor Or, Dak, Trevor Lawrence.

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00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: For me, the highest scoring quarterback from Week five onward

1114
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: last year was Trevor Lawrence, averaging twenty three Fantasy points

1115
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: per game, better than Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, and Drake May.

1116
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 4: If he carries that over into the start of twenty

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00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 4: twenty six second year in Liam Cohen's offense, I think

1118
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence could be the QB one overall potentially. So

1119
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: so I'm going with Dee.

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00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: Bro, what do you think about that finishan I'm curious

1121
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to you, like between Dak and Trevor, but like specifically

1122
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: with Trevor that finished to the season last year. Do

1123
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: you see that as him elevating and taking a step

1124
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: forward with you know, second half the season, first year

1125
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: with Liam Cowin and like this is sort of the

1126
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: not that he's gonna be the number one QB, but

1127
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: closer to the new normal for Lawrence. Or do you

1128
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: see that more just like, hey, he ran hot to

1129
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: finish the season. It was great, but let's dial it

1130
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: down a bit.

1131
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: I think it was an incredible run of production. It

1132
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: felt very much and I don't want to cast this

1133
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: on him. And say he can't continue it. But it

1134
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: felt very much like kind of like yesterdyear, how we

1135
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: were chasing then incredibly hot run by Jordan Love. I

1136
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: get some of the same vibes. Now, I'm not saying

1137
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: that te law can't take us another step forward. The

1138
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: big question that I have about Trevor Lawrence that fueled

1139
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: everything that Ericson kind of laid out here was nine

1140
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: freaking rushing touchdowns. I think we all agree that that's

1141
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: going to take a step back. Maybe he compensates more

1142
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: with you know, upping a five point two percent passing

1143
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: touchdown rate. But I'm going Dak Prescott here QB seven

1144
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: weeks one through seventeen last year. I think there's definitely

1145
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: some more mean on the bone for Dak to improve

1146
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: this year, not from you know, per se a volume perspective,

1147
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: because I think the attempts are still gonna be high,

1148
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: there's still gonna be a pass first offense. I don't

1149
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: think any of that changes. But Dak Prescott only had

1150
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: a five percent passing touchdown rate and he's eclipsed He's

1151
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: gotten into the sixes in previous year. So I think

1152
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: if one of these guys I'm looking at a little

1153
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: bit more regression versus another guy that I think like

1154
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: the touchdowns could flow in his direction a little bit more.

1155
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: This year, I'm gonna go Dak, but it's close.

1156
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I really liked Dak going into last year,

1157
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of curious where do you think he

1158
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: is going to end up in consensus ranking? Is when

1159
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: we get to like real draft weekends, like late August stuff,

1160
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: Because right now he's at QB eleven, and I wonder

1161
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: if that's gonna move much.

1162
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Between now and then. What do you think do you

1163
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: think it'll be? Right about the quback end QB one.

1164
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: People just don't respect Dak as good as he's been run.

1165
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 4: They just don't like the zero the zero rushing And

1166
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: to your point about like, I'm not so sure the

1167
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: Lawrence touchdowns are going to go away like they called

1168
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: design they called I.

1169
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: Think he's gonna get nine again this year.

1170
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: How many times has Josh Allen scored a billion rushing

1171
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: touchdowns that never go down? They called this.

1172
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: It's not Josh Allen. Come on, but let's let's not

1173
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: get too crazy here, dude.

1174
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: He was third in red zone rushing attempts last year.

1175
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: This is design stuff for Trevor Lawrence in the red zone,

1176
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: Like he's calling his own number and running it in.

1177
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe it's not nine, but it can be five.

1178
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 4: Like that's still more than what Dak Prescott is going

1179
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: to have in terms of rushing touchdown and rushing production overall.

1180
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 4: So I I like, I don't know if I've convinced

1181
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: Worm to go with Trevor Lawrence, but you've got to

1182
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: break the tie. According to the show sheet Worm.

1183
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: I actually find this to them to be very close.

1184
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: So this is a really difficult one for me, and

1185
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't think either of you did a good enough

1186
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: job convincing me to you know, now you both did.

1187
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: You made perfectly fine cases.

1188
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: It's just I see it as so close that it's

1189
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: hard for me to really make a decision. I think

1190
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: if I were on the clock right now, I probably

1191
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: would take Trevor, just saying when in doubt, let me

1192
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: lean slightly to the guy that I have seen have

1193
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: rushing recently. But that's not to say I have a

1194
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: ton of conviction in that, and it will not surprise

1195
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: me if Dak has a great year, because I just

1196
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: I like the setup obviously, like we've seen you guys

1197
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: were talking in our slack channel about how George Pickens

1198
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: isn't going to hold out, Like like, I think that

1199
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of real reasons to be excited about

1200
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: this offense for Fantasy this year, and and I'm definitely

1201
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: in on Dak at cost here. I just think, like again,

1202
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: if if I have to flip a coin, I'll lean

1203
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: slightly towards the guy who I have a little bit

1204
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: more faith in the rushing upside and who could maybe

1205
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: get another eight touchdowns this year, even if I'm not

1206
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: really expecting respect.

1207
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: Respect a law, maybe respect a law.

1208
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: Well, Worm's secretly like flipping the Harvey Dent coin. He's

1209
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 3: trying to pretend like he's impartial, but he's really not.

1210
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: Harvey d all Right, one more quarterback here, Kyler Murray

1211
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: at QB seventeen, Jordan Love at QB eighteen.

1212
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: Who do you guys prefer here at dee bro Start with.

1213
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 3: You Jordan Love. I'm gonna take Jordan Love and just

1214
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: we've seen Jordan Love just be the better quarterback. And

1215
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: if the passing rate goes up in Green Bay this

1216
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: year with and we still don't know what happens with

1217
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs and everything like that. And I've got some

1218
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: concerns about Jacob's like the volume, can he stay healthy,

1219
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: the knees, like he was beat up last year. So Love,

1220
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 3: I just want to go with the talent man, Like

1221
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: he's also showed us that, like he can be that

1222
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: outlier consistently and passing touchdown rate like five point five,

1223
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 3: five point nine, five point two passing touchdown rates of

1224
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: the last three years. I don't think that that's just

1225
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: like an outlier. I think that Love is kind of

1226
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: like on that Russell Wilson trajectory where we keep expecting

1227
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: the passing touchdown rates to go down and they just don't.

1228
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: So if the passing volume goes up. And the other

1229
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: thing about Kyler Murray is like we've just seen this

1230
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: yolo effect, like yoyo effect of like one week he's

1231
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: QB one, the next week he's QB twenty four, twenty five.

1232
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: Holy crap. I never know when to freaking start him.

1233
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: I'll take Love.

1234
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: I really like Love.

1235
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: The other thing, And I don't know if this makes

1236
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: sense from a rankings perspective, but we're talking head to

1237
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: head draft debates here, and if you're taking a quarterback

1238
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: in this range. It's likely because you're talking about a

1239
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: super flex league. I mean, otherwise it's a backup, in

1240
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: which case, like it's not that relevant. But if you're

1241
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: thinking about it from a super flex perspective, I'd rather

1242
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: have the guy that I have a little more certainty,

1243
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: and in Jordan Love with that QB two spot. So again,

1244
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: rankings wise, like I could see a case for if

1245
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: you want to say Kyler, like just with the upside

1246
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: swing in a rankings competition, but for like a little

1247
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: more level of certainty, Like I just know Jordan Love

1248
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: is a good quarterback at the very least, And I

1249
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: do think there's a real world with the passing volume.

1250
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: Goes up this year, So I actually like Love quite

1251
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: a bit.

1252
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 3: Eric Stan your point two worm, it's like we can't

1253
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 3: roll out, like while I don't think that this happens,

1254
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: and I think Kyler Murray starts, if he sucks, does

1255
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: he get benched? That that we can't roll that out

1256
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: zero chance, even if it's not likely, it's a non

1257
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: zero chance. Yea, Love is not getting benched, just he's

1258
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 3: not yet.

1259
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: Eric, who you like between the two?

1260
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 4: I think you guys did a great job of outlining

1261
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: the super flex versus redraft, because I think in redraft

1262
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: you just go with Kyler Murray and you just shoot

1263
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 4: for the upside. Again, he was fourth in and rushing

1264
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: arts per game AM on quarterbacks last year, where with

1265
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 4: Jordan Love, we kind of feel like we know what

1266
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: we're going to expect and we can also see the

1267
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: season play out where oh, they are trying to lean

1268
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: into the passing game more. Not having Tucker crap maybe

1269
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: one hundred percent to start the year also makes me

1270
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 4: a little bit. Do I need to get Jordan Love

1271
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 4: for Week one? Maybe not? Whereas Kyler Murray, the Vikings

1272
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: scutle to open the year isn't too bad, and if

1273
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: he is running, he's mobile, he looks good throwing to

1274
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: Jefferson Addison. That's the direction I go in a one

1275
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 4: quarterback league is shoot for upside. I'm okay, if he's

1276
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: a bust, I can just cut him and move on

1277
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 4: and draft get a different quarterback on my team. If

1278
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: I go late run quarterback, I would lean on Kyler.

1279
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 4: But in a super flex where I don't want to

1280
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 4: draft Kyler Murray in the third round, like because that

1281
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: is like way too risky. When you when you valuing

1282
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: starting quarterback play every single week, you're going to get

1283
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: that from Jordan Love, and then you do get that

1284
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: untapped potential of oh well, maybe they do lean in

1285
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: the passing the game, because it's no debate who the

1286
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 4: better quarterback is. Jordan Love, right, I'm not the last

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Speaker 4: thing I want to do is come on here and

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00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: be like, well, Kyler Murray can do X, Y and Z. No.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be that guy, but I want

1290
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Speaker 4: to recognize he runs more than Jordan Love does, which

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00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: is why I mentioned I like Turvor Lawrence more than

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00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, and the environment may be more fantasy friendly

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00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: for him in Minnesota. If he's running, they're throwing the

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Speaker 4: ball more than the Green Bay Packers. And he's got

1295
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 4: really good weapons too. Addison Hawkinson, Jefferson, Jawan Jennings is

1296
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: his number three wide receiver. That's pretty good. And I

1297
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 4: also don't have good running backs, so is it more

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Speaker 4: lean on Kyler Murray. That's why I would lean into

1299
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Speaker 4: the unsturdy upside with him in a one quarterback league,

1300
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 4: whereas in two QB super flex, just lock in Jordan

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: Love and look elsewhere than Kyler Murray unless he just

1302
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Speaker 4: like falls really really far in drafts, because the JJ

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Speaker 4: McCarthy thing is real, Like, if he sucks, he's not

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Speaker 4: a lot to be there, and that is not something

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: you want to be staring at when you draft a

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Speaker 4: quarterback super early.

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Speaker 1: So Erickson is very willing to not draft Cardinals, but

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Speaker 1: he's willing to draft former Cardinals in the right situation.

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Speaker 1: slash Fantasy Pros. All right, guys, a tight end, one

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Speaker 1: that actually think is really interesting. I've been on the

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Speaker 1: clock for a few of our mock draft episodes that

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Speaker 1: we've done this year, and on more than one occasion,

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Speaker 1: I have been faced with the decision of Kyle Pitts

1323
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: tight end seven or Sam Laporta tight end eight and

1324
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: the mocks I have done, and they have gone off

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: the board very close to each other. And it's been

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00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: a real decision to make, and it's been one that

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00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: I haven't really felt that strongly about. So I'm kind

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: of curious to see what direction do you guys, go

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Ericson's starting with you here, Kyle Pitts or Sam Laporta.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Sam Laporta. And this is not

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: a pro Laporta conversation. It's more of a negative Kyle

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00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: Pitts conversation. Twenty nine games sample sides with Drake London.

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 4: Kyle Pits in full PPR eight point five PPR points

1334
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 4: per game that would have ranked outside the top twenty

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 4: tight ends last season. Drake London is the way that

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: this Falcons passing game moves, regardless of whoever the quarterback is.

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00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: So Kyle Pitts, I know that he finished last year

1338
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: on a really high note. Take a lot of that

1339
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: to do with Drake London being out and missing time,

1340
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: and he and Kirk Cousins have a connection. Neither of

1341
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 4: those situations are playing into his favor in twenty twenty six,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 4: and the other point about this being a negative Kyle

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00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 4: Pitts conversation and not a pro Sam Laporta conversation. I

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 4: do think Laporta does have some things that are working

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: in his favor. He goes later than Kyle Pitts, He's

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00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 4: actually coming off a season where he was actually still

1347
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 4: really efficient, hit career highs and catch rate yarts per

1348
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 4: target yards per route run. He does have this back

1349
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: injury that coming off of, and the Lion's offense is

1350
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: a little bit crowded. But even with Jamison Williams, Sam

1351
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: Laporta's splits don't fall off nearly as much as the

1352
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: splits with Kyle Pits and Drake London in the lineup.

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Speaker 4: My last point, these tight ends are going in the

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: middle of drafts with the tight end rankings, where the

1355
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 4: return investment drafting the tight end seven eight Tina nine

1356
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: is always really bad. So I don't want to draft

1357
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 4: either of these guys at their cost. I want to

1358
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 4: take a guy early, an elite guy, or I want

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: to draft a guy late, and considering both of these

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00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: guys are the middle tier of tight end, I don't

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: want to draft either of them. But if you have

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Speaker 4: to make me pick one, I would take Laporta because

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00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 4: I Kyle Pits really scares me when Drake London is healthy.

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Speaker 1: But before I throw to Debro, I just want to

1365
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: follow up ericson is any of your concern about Drake

1366
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: London at all mitigated by the fact that Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 1: is now calling plays and has likes thrown the tight

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Speaker 1: ends in the past.

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily. I think that Drake London is in alpha

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 4: and he commands targets, and I think that Kevin Stefanski

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00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 4: is going to know that and acknowledge that, and that's

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01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: where the office is going to foul through with Tua

1373
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: as well. I think it's gonna Drake London and a

1374
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: lot of b Jenan Robinson and does Kyle pitsselfall to

1375
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: third in the pecking order and we're talking about tight ends.

1376
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 4: I don't want to be drafting a middle range tight

1377
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 4: end that might be the third target on his offense.

1378
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: That an offense that how good are the Falcon's going

1379
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: to be offensively? I know they have a lot of

1380
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 4: fun pieces, but they've had a lot of fun pieces

1381
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: every year, and it seems like someone always disappoints. Usually

1382
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: it's been Kyle Pitts, so that just concerns me. Again,

1383
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: I think that maybe Stevens can make adjustments, but tight

1384
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 4: end seven where he's locked and loaded, like you got

1385
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: to start him every week as your tight end one,

1386
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure that's the best investment drafters can make.

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's fair.

1388
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask on this Stefansky point deeper,

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: who do you like between the two?

1390
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm on the Laporta side as well. And to Erickson's point,

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01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: last year, without London in the lineup, Kyle Pitts had

1392
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: a twenty six point seven percent target chair two point

1393
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 3: eight yards per route run, a twenty seven point eight

1394
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: percent first read chaer. With London in the lineup up,

1395
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 3: his target share fell to nineteen percent, his yards per

1396
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: route run dipped to one point four and his first

1397
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: red chair dropped to twenty percent. Now, yes, new offense

1398
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: with Kevin Stefanski's feature tight ends all that kind of

1399
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 3: good stuff. It's probably London and Pits at the top,

1400
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: but maybe, like Ericson alluded to, maybe it's not. Maybe

1401
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 3: Bjean Robinson how targets Pits this year and I think

1402
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 3: just zooming out, which offense do we want to buy

1403
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: in two more, the Detroit Lions with Jared Golf or

1404
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons with two a tongue of aaloa And

1405
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: so I think everybody's emphatically going to agree and say

1406
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: the Lions. The other things that I want to point

1407
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: out about Sam Laporta, he was the tight end seven

1408
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: before he lost the rest of his year due to

1409
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: the back injury. He was the clear number two option

1410
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: in that passing attack. You look at red zone targets,

1411
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: it was Sam Laporta right behind Amanass Sam Brown. You

1412
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: look at target chair, it was Sam Laporta right behind

1413
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: Amanas Sam Brown. So he is the number two option

1414
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 3: in that passing attack. And boys, we haven't even talked

1415
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: about the fact of Drew Petsing coming into town. Is

1416
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: he going to feature Sam Laporta? Are we going to

1417
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: get more versatile usage out of Sam Laporta? Just looking

1418
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: at what Petsing has done with Trey McBride over the

1419
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: last few years. So I feel good about Sam Laporta.

1420
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 3: I feel better about the offense, the quarterback play, all

1421
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: of it with Sam Laporta. If you were telling me

1422
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,479
Speaker 3: both of these guys in a vacuum who has top

1423
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: three upside if everything works out in their favor. I'm

1424
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: gonna take Sam Laporta ten times out of.

1425
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: Ten for that.

1426
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you agree with Erickson that you don't really want

1427
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: to be drafting players in this range regardless, or do

1428
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: you just like just like Laporta enough that you would

1429
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: take him here even though he's ranked in kind of

1430
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: this risky ring. It's almost it's not like the RB

1431
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: dead zone, but it's almost like the tight end dead

1432
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: zone in some years, like this kind of mid range,

1433
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: you want to be avoiding this.

1434
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in a lot of instances, I'm avoiding this,

1435
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 3: or I'm just like I'm either drafting Brock Bauers or

1436
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: Colston Lovelin, or I'm taking a swing on Tyler Warren

1437
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: or I'm just gonna to wait on tight end and

1438
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna grab somebody late like an Isaiah Likely or

1439
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: a Greg Dulcic or Dallas Goddard or something like that.

1440
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 3: So yes, I agree with ericson about just the structural

1441
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: point of this part of tight end rankings. Year in ADP,

1442
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: year after year after year, burns us more than we

1443
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: find just diamonds in the raw.

1444
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, these guys are more likely to at least historically speaking,

1445
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 4: they're more likely to finish closer to the guys being

1446
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 4: drafted after them than the ones being drafted before them.

1447
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 4: So unless you really recognize, like Sandloport, a tight end

1448
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 4: one this year, Like that's kind of how I felt

1449
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: about Tucker Craft, where like, no, this guy's gonna make

1450
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: the leap into the elite territory, then I think you

1451
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 4: have to be waiting on the position.

1452
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: And this is We've fallen into this trap in the past.

1453
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: But there really are a lot of late round guys

1454
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: that I like, Like Isaiah Likely, I like now that

1455
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: he's not on Baltimore. I like Mark Andrews now that

1456
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Likely is not with him in Baltimore quite a bit

1457
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: in Redraft. I like Goddard with aj Brown God. I

1458
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: like Chicka konkoa a lot with the target opportunity. Ericson's

1459
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: been all over Dulcisues. You know, totally fil Dultage.

1460
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: Is free square, baby, don't it's gonna be a top

1461
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: twelve tight end.

1462
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: You do not spend I just I.

1463
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 4: Just hope I'm not getting Chris Herndon, please, like, Okay,

1464
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 4: why would you take a quo would have last? Got no,

1465
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: because I gotta acknowledge. Because I remember when I was

1466
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 4: doing red at Ama a lot of years ago, people

1467
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 4: asked me how Chris Herndon was doing, and I was like,

1468
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: Alberto also said not good enough, Albert, Oh yeah, all right,

1469
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 4: well Albert.

1470
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: Who we wanted to give some bonus rookie verse veteran

1471
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: picks here. So we've got three, that's two running backs

1472
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: and a receiver here.

1473
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: So we'll move quickly through these and they get out

1474
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: of here.

1475
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: Right at the top of the rookie running back rankings,

1476
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love. He's RB thirteen, one spot ahead of kyn Williams,

1477
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: the veteran at RB fourteen. Who do you like, rookie

1478
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: with the upside or the veteran with a little bit

1479
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: more safety ericson Love or Williams.

1480
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Jeremiah Love. Just looking at

1481
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 4: the draft capital and he got seventy eight percent of

1482
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 4: running backs drafted inside the top twelve overall in the draft,

1483
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: finished top twelve in their first season in the NFL.

1484
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: I think that Love it's not necessarily a ceiling year

1485
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 4: for him. Per Se but I think that finishing as

1486
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: a back end fantasy RB one is in his range

1487
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 4: of outcomes. I do think that's kind of where that's

1488
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: kind of where his ECR is ranked. I don't think

1489
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 4: it's gonna be going much higher than that, but that's

1490
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 4: kind of whe Kyroen has been as well, Like he's

1491
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 4: been a low end back end RB two RB one

1492
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 4: the last two seasons, and I'm pretty hung up on

1493
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: the Williams quorum type of split. I know last year

1494
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: that's kind of what this backfield formed. They knew and

1495
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 4: it worked really well because Kyroen was way more efficient

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01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 4: as we're seeing fewer touches. However, I do question is

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Speaker 4: he ever going to get back to that RB two

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Speaker 4: in points per game that he was three years ago.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. So both guys are kind of

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 4: me on that fringe of back end RB one conversation,

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 4: and if I'm gonna bet on if J I think

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01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: the thing that differentulates the love for me and not

1503
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 4: talking about the offense is if love really takes off

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 4: as a receiver, like that's what ultimately would push him

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 4: over the top for me. If he just sees like

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 4: a bunker's target share the offense is feeding him, the

1507
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: floor is getting him targets like he did with Breise

1508
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 4: Hall during his young years with the New York Jets.

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: Then I could see leading towards Love. I am lower

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: and consensus than both of these players, though, so I

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 4: haven't really been going out of my way to target

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 4: either Jeremiah Love or Karen Williams.

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: Broad The NFL tends to get right with early running backs,

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01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: especially in the last ten years or so. They don't

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01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: often miss If they're willing to take a guy at

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: this position this highly, they're usually pretty productive at least early.

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: What do you think about Love versus Kien.

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: I've got them back to back in my rankings, but

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01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 3: i'd have Kyron getting the slight edge RB fifteen versus

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01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 3: RB sixteen. To Erickson's point, like I just want to

1521
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: invest in the better offense, more touchdown equity. And honestly,

1522
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm kind of at the point too of like we

1523
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: like I've made this bet against Kyroen Europe for a

1524
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 3: year of for a year and stuff like that, and

1525
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm just I'm conceding, like I'm wrong,

1526
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: Like he's been RB two, RB ten, RB ten over

1527
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: the last three years, Kien, I get it. I'm sorry.

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: I apologize. I'm just gonna draft Kyron Williams.

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: Another running back here, Jadarium Price RB twenty seven versus

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01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard RB twenty nine.

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: Debra, why is.

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard not a top twenty four back? I'm taking

1533
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard here this. I love javedarium Price's talent. I

1534
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 3: don't know what happens in that backfield. Can he be

1535
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker plus and actually get the red zone touches

1536
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: with Zach sharbonay out?

1537
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: Sure?

1538
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: And then Seattle decides to throw Emanuel Wilson or George

1539
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 3: harelaanee our way, and then we're all like, oh crap,

1540
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: why didn't we see this coming. Tony Pollard, I think

1541
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: is gonna get all the freaking touches. I'm not that

1542
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: worried about Taja Spears, who has been unable to stay healthy,

1543
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: has been an effective last year when he was on

1544
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 3: the field. I think Tony Pollard is going to get

1545
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 3: a crap done a volume and what I think is

1546
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: going to be an improved offense this year. And you

1547
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 3: look at Brian Daboll's history, he feeds one freaking running back,

1548
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: so like while Sala was talking about, oh we got

1549
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: two Bill Cows and Tony Pollard and Taja Spears, what

1550
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: has the offensive coordinator done over legit his entire history?

1551
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you go back to the Peyton Hill this year.

1552
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: You can talk about cam' skataboo. Last year. You can

1553
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: talk about Saquon, you can talk about Devin Singletary, you

1554
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: can throwbout all these different guys. One guy is gonna

1555
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: get the freaking rock a crap ton and I think

1556
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: that's gonna be Tony Pollard, and I think he should

1557
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: be a top twenty four running back in rankings right now.

1558
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 3: I think it's wrong versus easier Erickson.

1559
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with these you are. I don't want

1560
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard. I don't think there's a lot of upside

1561
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 4: with Tony Pollard this year, to be honest.

1562
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't love the Titans hunts not what you

1563
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: love that on previous shows.

1564
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 4: Man, I love I like the Titans, but it doesn't

1565
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 4: mean that I love their twenty nine year old running

1566
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 4: back who has over a fifteen hundred career touches. The

1567
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 4: guy's right ahead of him in the career touch list

1568
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 4: for running backs. Austin Eckler, dust Nick Chubb, dust Kareem Hunt,

1569
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 4: dust James Connor, like he's hitting that point of his

1570
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: career where things start to really fall off for a

1571
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 4: running back and accumulating nearly three hundred touches per season

1572
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 4: over the last three years. Last two seasons, he has

1573
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 4: zero top twenty finishes in season long standings, despite the

1574
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 4: fact that he has been already seen, Like Deebro, your

1575
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: argument has been, he's seeing all this volume. He's gonna

1576
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 4: see all this volume. He's been seeing the volume.

1577
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: Dude talking about like a bottom five Will Levis saying

1578
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 3: leading this offense this year man and Brian Callahan's but

1579
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: is not calling a freaking play.

1580
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 4: Okay, I get that.

1581
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: Can I agree on that? And they actually have skilled players,

1582
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: like we're not throwing to el am and Or and

1583
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: Shamiri DK and Exam freaking restrict But that's not happened.

1584
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 4: But the thesis of your argument was he's gonna see

1585
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: all the volume. It's like in my argument is, like, dude,

1586
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 4: the guy's been getting the volume and he hasn't done

1587
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 4: anything with it.

1588
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 3: In a horrible offense, they couldn't score any freaking touchdowns

1589
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 3: like Tony Palard had five scores last year? Can we

1590
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: agree he's gonna have more than that this year?

1591
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean maybe, But like, do you think

1592
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: I think?

1593
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,879
Speaker 3: I guess the Titans are gonna be that much improved.

1594
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 4: Erickson, I think Jerium Price has way more upside if

1595
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 4: you so, you're telling me Tony Pollard has a better

1596
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 4: chance of being a league winner than Jendarium Price. Answer

1597
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 4: and to that, answer that question, to me, who has

1598
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 4: a better chance of being a league winner? League price

1599
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 4: and app salute upside? I will give you the lean

1600
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 4: the price. But can we also talk about who has

1601
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 4: more risk here?

1602
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

1603
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, it's a guy that has never played

1604
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 4: in the NFL before. But in this okay, in this

1605
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 4: range in the draft, Tony Pollard, I can find someone

1606
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 4: to fill my RB two slot easy. I can't find

1607
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 4: Jenarium Prices. There's two guys that were drafted in the

1608
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 4: first round of this year's draft. One's Jeremiah Love and

1609
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 4: one is janedarium Price. And your price is going outside

1610
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 4: the top twenty four. We're talking about who should be

1611
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 4: top twenty four. Jenarium Price should be a top twenty

1612
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 4: four running back. When you look at seventy.

1613
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 3: In this argument, they didn't trust Kenneth Walker on passing

1614
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: downs or in pass pro last year, considering his college resume.

1615
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: Can you definitively tell me they're gonna trust Jendarium Price

1616
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 3: in either one of those roles this year?

1617
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 4: No, I cannot. But if you're telling me, I can

1618
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 4: get a Kenneth Walker s type of production profile from

1619
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 4: a guy that's really explosive on the Seahawks offense outside

1620
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: the top twenty again, people wouldn't be complaint of they

1621
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 4: drafted Ken Walker outside the top twenty four last year,

1622
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 4: like you would have been fined as an RB three.

1623
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 4: And that's where Jendarium Price also like.

1624
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: I want, I wonder what the usage will look like

1625
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: with I mean, Sharbonnay is not gonna be back to

1626
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: what mid November like, I mean his searchy was in

1627
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: late February.

1628
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: That's that's like he's going to miss this so all lot.

1629
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 4: I was really hesitant after Price got drafted in the

1630
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 4: first round. I thought he was going to be really

1631
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 4: expensive in redraft and to see him outside the top

1632
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 4: twenty four, I'm seventy percent of running backs drafted in

1633
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 4: round one finish top twenty four in their first year

1634
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 4: seventy percent since twenty thirteen. Those are the odds I

1635
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 4: want to lean into. So I will take Jenerium Price.

1636
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: I think he has way more upside than Tony Pollard does.

1637
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 3: I want to be very clear, I want to draft

1638
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 3: both of these guys. But if I chose, if I'm

1639
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: picking here, it's Tony Pollard. I just have more holes

1640
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 3: to poke in the conversation for Jendarium Bright Price versus

1641
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard. But I don't disagree that Price has more upside,

1642
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 3: and I really do want to draft both of these guys.

1643
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: We got to wrap, so let's go very quickly here

1644
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: in the last one, Mike Evans wide receiver twenty six

1645
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: or sticking with the Titans, Carnell Tate wide receiver thirty

1646
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: rookie versus a much older veteran here Tater. Evans quickly

1647
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: ericson who do you like better?

1648
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 4: I think Evans if I need more early wide receiver production.

1649
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 4: But if it's Hey, you have to ride or die

1650
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 4: with this player all year long. I would go with

1651
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: Carnell Tate, but you can draft both guys Evans round five,

1652
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 4: Tait and round six. That's honestly what I would want

1653
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 4: to do, so that's my cop out.

1654
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: Devro, You going to take a cop out?

1655
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: No, I'm not taking a cop out. This is Mike

1656
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: Evans and it's not closed for me. Mike Evans last

1657
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 3: year in seven ful games, played twenty four percent target share,

1658
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 3: thirty percent first read share. He was top thirteen in

1659
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,879
Speaker 3: multiple different metrics that I freaking care about. The problem

1660
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 3: for Mike Evans is that he had a seventy point

1661
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: nine percent catchuple target rate, which amongst one hundred and

1662
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 3: nine qualifying wide receivers last year was eighty freaking fourth.

1663
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: He was second best amongst all wide receivers at least

1664
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: two hundred routes last year in separation and route win rate.

1665
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 3: Mike Evans has the ability in the upside to lead

1666
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 3: the entire freaking NFL in touchdowns and be this year's

1667
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams. I'm betting on Mike Evans.

1668
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: We'll ahead and wrap things up. There went a little

1669
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: long for you had a lot of names to get through,

1670
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: so that makes sense. Why, Thanks everybody for checking out

1671
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: this episode of tough draft data decisions for de Bro

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01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: and Ericson.

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,679
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