Speaker 1: This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing.
Speaker 1: You have been warned.
Speaker 2: It's giving. Julie Roberts eat Prey Love, Just Eat, which
Speaker 2: is my life? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Exactly me.
Speaker 2: I'm a savage.
Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people
Speaker 1: from the same apps in the same bar You've only
Speaker 1: chosen because it's close to your house and you can
Speaker 1: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the
Speaker 1: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start
Speaker 1: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going
Speaker 1: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are
Speaker 1: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight
Speaker 1: of these dates in two months, will I find that
Speaker 1: special someone? Or well, this experiment proved that I should
Speaker 1: just give up on dating altogether. It's time to find out.
Speaker 1: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later.
Speaker 1: Daniel Aray, Do any will call you Daniel sometimes?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Is everyone's going to be silent about the riff I did?
Speaker 3: That's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I was asking you a question.
Speaker 3: You said, Daniel, iriff back, and then you said Lorraine,
Speaker 3: not said Lorraine.
Speaker 1: You did? I went great, you said Lorraine, we've got
Speaker 1: it recorded about the dates you said, Lorrain wrote about
Speaker 1: a ghost back, Lorraine, that's what you said, he said,
Speaker 1: do you know what you look like?
Speaker 3: Loraine?
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a morning Interview of Keis Lorraine. Kelly's me.
Speaker 1: So I went on a date with this guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to read that his profile. I love exploring
Speaker 1: connection with our expectations, friends, casual or who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: before wild in love. It's all welcome. Let's suck around
Speaker 1: and find out. I mean films, dancing and a bunch
Speaker 1: of Hippi adjacent things like contact improv, psychedelics, love, bouldering, circling,
Speaker 1: not sure that is. And then he's also entered music production.
Speaker 1: Hit me up if you want to make music together.
Speaker 1: I have been thinking about making music. So that's good
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you have what is?
Speaker 1: Well what is? I found it out, but I was
Speaker 1: very confused at what contact improv?
Speaker 3: Maybe he's a comedian and I think he's fair. That's
Speaker 3: this is my kind of man, though I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Like if you look like you could be like a roadie,
Speaker 3: I do get that.
Speaker 1: And he is very gorgeous, gorgeous, He's got amazing eyes.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like his bios give him like hocus pokem.
Speaker 2: It's a bit like a bit woo woo woo.
Speaker 3: But I mean a lot of these things I don't
Speaker 3: know what they are. I've got no idea what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what circling is.
Speaker 1: I know what bouldering is. That's the kind of rock climbing,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: And we get those streams out girls Chambala.
Speaker 1: I feel like, right, that's the kind of text. I
Speaker 1: was about to say copy, But that's the kind of
Speaker 1: like text that like is to me quite overwhelming because
Speaker 1: I can just tell that you're quite a serious, deep person,
Speaker 1: and I'm not really good with people like that.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, I've got anal version for it, like
Speaker 3: I've got a natural version of Remember one time I
Speaker 3: did this like artist residency in Poland and it was
Speaker 3: very hippie and it was like kuddle puddles and stuff.
Speaker 3: What is a kind of boddle. It's like where you
Speaker 3: just like cuddle in a group. Like it's very like
Speaker 3: contact you and like rubbing contact improvers. Oh really yeah,
Speaker 3: I would be open to it. Does someone touch me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opened to that unless I want them
Speaker 1: to touch me.
Speaker 3: It's just smells beer do I mean, yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on mass like cuddling, if
Speaker 1: I'm honest.
Speaker 3: I remember one time at the same residence, he was
Speaker 3: watching the show and it was really emotional, really fucking sad,
Speaker 3: and like it just triggers something in me, and like
Speaker 3: I was like, like we had been on it for
Speaker 3: like ten days.
Speaker 2: It's quite intense experience.
Speaker 3: But I was like sobbing, like really sobbing, and this
Speaker 3: random like hippie got up from the crowd, walked through
Speaker 3: the crowd and came and hugged me, and it was
Speaker 3: like a gorgeous thing.
Speaker 2: But mumma, he's stunk.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's a lovely expression, but my god,
Speaker 3: my god, you smell like layers upon layers.
Speaker 2: It's like so bad.
Speaker 1: I just feel right. So like I actually did really
Speaker 1: enjoy like loads of things about this day because I
Speaker 1: found him super interesting and he was quiet, but he'd
Speaker 1: basically will come on to it. But he'd just come
Speaker 1: back from Barley where he'd been for ages, and he'd
Speaker 1: like fallen in love with someone. I was just kind
Speaker 1: of interested by the whole situation because, like is Ana,
Speaker 1: that was unfinished business him and this girl, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to know how it was going to end, so
Speaker 1: it was more kind of interested in that. But I
Speaker 1: think when you listen back to him, he's quite serious
Speaker 1: and speaks a bit slowly and like kind of too
Speaker 1: quietly for me because I'm a bit deaf as well,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't actually hear a lot of what he
Speaker 1: was saying.
Speaker 3: It's giving Julian Robers eat prey love, Yes, eat wank nap.
Speaker 2: Which is my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I've been in Bali for like five months two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: How was that?
Speaker 5: Were you just working from that pretty much? Pretty much?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: Just doing a lot of those like hippie body stuff.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: So what were you doing?
Speaker 5: What else were you doing that?
Speaker 1: What kind of hippie stuff were you doing?
Speaker 5: I was doing quite a lot of.
Speaker 6: Something called contact improv I was basically kind of embodiment
Speaker 6: exploration trip. Yeah, kind of like getting in touch with
Speaker 6: my body and my emotions and getting out.
Speaker 5: Of my head.
Speaker 1: So what is contacted?
Speaker 6: It's basically like a partner dance, but it's improvised, so
Speaker 6: it's like exploring, exploring weight and balance, some movement with
Speaker 6: another persona and yeah, it's just like very good to
Speaker 6: just getting it out of your heading into your bodies
Speaker 6: and you're just.
Speaker 1: Like, were you doing that like with a strangers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, akay my worst name there he is giving a
Speaker 3: step up the Ballei edition.
Speaker 2: I just can't dance.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh my god, I said, what's conducting?
Speaker 3: Brov?
Speaker 1: And then he said some absolute mumbo jumbo And I
Speaker 1: was like, but what is contact I Brov, Like, you
Speaker 1: haven't told me what it is. It's a dance, okay,
Speaker 1: would you do that?
Speaker 3: The thing is right, is that like there's a massive
Speaker 3: part of me that wants to be more spiritual and holistic,
Speaker 3: like my heart. Like my job is like say like
Speaker 3: the drug characters like kind of taken looking at like
Speaker 3: spiritualism and like making a joke of it, but like
Speaker 3: in a very positive way lifting lifting. But we get
Speaker 3: a lot of people in my shows, like Tara readers
Speaker 3: and like witches come in because they like they enjoy it,
Speaker 3: and I would love to step more into it, but
Speaker 3: I just I don't notice that my dad's voice in
Speaker 3: my head, that's like that mumbo umbo.
Speaker 1: I think The thing is is what I feel is
Speaker 1: that you can be spiritual about doing things like contact
Speaker 1: I brov like that doesn't divine. Like I actually do
Speaker 1: identify like a lot with like spirituality, and like I
Speaker 1: do lots of yoga and menation and ship. But I
Speaker 1: just have of like a complete like blockage to the
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit of people thinking that they like have superpowers
Speaker 1: and like in doing certain things. You can be like
Speaker 1: the most basic person and still like have spirituality without
Speaker 1: doing of.
Speaker 3: Course, I mean you can find your God in anything exactly.
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's loads of different ways that
Speaker 1: you can do that. And also like you don't need
Speaker 1: to rush it beca We're still young, you don't need
Speaker 1: to like become like a savant now, like it's an
Speaker 1: ongoing process.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean when I played twenty one questions, I always
Speaker 1: get it within five questions. And I think I am
Speaker 1: a bit psychic.
Speaker 2: But I've had some psychic things.
Speaker 3: I'm really going to like know when someone's pregnant, not
Speaker 3: by looking at them, but like I've had friends before,
Speaker 3: like my my dad's like girlfriends multiple I'm from a
Speaker 3: divorce phone divorce family, but I'd be like, oh, you're pregnant.
Speaker 3: They haven't told my dad or anything. They're like, wait,
Speaker 3: how do you know? But like there's something about that.
Speaker 3: I remember one time when I was a kid, we'll drop.
Speaker 2: Our brother off to school. He's at secondary school.
Speaker 3: I was at primary school, and I was like, we're
Speaker 3: going to crash the car, and then like five minutes later,
Speaker 3: a card is smashed into side of us, and my
Speaker 3: mom was like, how did you know?
Speaker 2: How did you know?
Speaker 3: Drunk Damien?
Speaker 2: Baby? But I'm open to it.
Speaker 3: But I do have a natural because sometimes I meet
Speaker 3: people who are like on a trip around the world
Speaker 3: and they're trying to like be spiritual, and when you
Speaker 3: speaks to them, you're like, I feel like you're teetering
Speaker 3: on a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just feel like.
Speaker 1: Essentially an identity that people are forging for themselves. They
Speaker 1: don't have an identity. Like that's just sometimes what I feel.
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily feel that about this guy, though.
Speaker 3: He's got his sexy voice. I quite like him.
Speaker 6: I basically fell in love with someone just before I
Speaker 6: left Balie. Oh wow, but it's very complicated.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: Sorry.
Speaker 6: We met on a kind of retreat which involved optional
Speaker 6: sex and nudity and like quite intense relational stuff and
Speaker 6: she has a long term partner, but they had agreed
Speaker 6: that it was completely open, so I had to do whatever.
Speaker 1: It's her longtime partner with her in BALI right, Okay, Yeah, we.
Speaker 6: Met on the retreat and like sat together quite a lot,
Speaker 6: like spend a lot of time together on the retreat,
Speaker 6: and that was like completely consensual with the permission as
Speaker 6: the partner.
Speaker 5: But I don't think.
Speaker 6: They necessarily thought that it would get that emotionally deep
Speaker 6: with anyone. Like we've literally, you know, known each other,
Speaker 6: but well, we've known each other for a couple of months,
Speaker 6: but yeah, we've.
Speaker 5: Had like five days of actually being right with each other.
Speaker 5: There's like so much that we don't know.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: But the emotional connection is like so strong.
Speaker 2: I love them. There's just so much that we don't know. Wow.
Speaker 2: I told you.
Speaker 3: I told you.
Speaker 1: It was quite I was I wanted to know where
Speaker 1: the story was going to end. Like I was like
Speaker 1: quite engrossed in that story because I guess you know,
Speaker 1: this is the complications of like ethical non monogamy or whatever,
Speaker 1: is that there is a potential that your partner is
Speaker 1: like going to like fall deeply in love with someone else,
Speaker 1: but then there's this question of can you be in
Speaker 1: love with more than one person at one time? But
Speaker 1: then where does that leave this guy? Because it's like
Speaker 1: he's obviously in love with this woman and I think
Speaker 1: she was still emballey and I think they were like
Speaker 1: talking quite a lot. Also, sorry, can we just talk
Speaker 1: about whatever? That thing that he was at it was
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 3: Baby naked sex. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I've been like
Speaker 3: one of my someone I need to live with was
Speaker 3: into like tantric sex, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind exploring it. Like for me, like with
Speaker 3: the connection and the tryst in someone else, it can
Speaker 3: like hinder my exploration of intimacy. Like sometimes I can
Speaker 3: be with someone and I'd be like, god, I feel
Speaker 3: so shut down in the body, Like I feel really
Speaker 3: like not feeling sensation so much because.
Speaker 2: I'm so much in my head.
Speaker 3: So like a lot of it is like I would
Speaker 3: love to go to a retreat that's like tantric or whatever.
Speaker 1: I know, and especially where if it was somewhere that's
Speaker 1: not like an ex sex party but actually kind of
Speaker 1: like everybody's sober and it's in like a beautiful location
Speaker 1: that sounds really ideal for manifest.
Speaker 2: That, and my body's like really together yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like not like drunk, and.
Speaker 3: It's it's like and I'm looking really fit, but it's
Speaker 3: not about that because I'm in a spiritual play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm still looking really fair.
Speaker 2: That's also important, but like in a spiritual way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're feeling really.
Speaker 2: Fair, yeah, because I do want to put the hole
Speaker 2: in holistic.
Speaker 1: That that's so you.
Speaker 2: Can get creepy. It can get creepy, yeah.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's why I would go to something
Speaker 1: like that with like a friend obviously not like a
Speaker 1: friend I'm getting with, but like maybe like you should
Speaker 1: we do it, yeah, Because but how would you feel
Speaker 1: if you like accidentally saw me shagging?
Speaker 2: I mean I honestly would not care, really.
Speaker 1: Would you not? But some of my friends who have
Speaker 1: accidentally seen me shagging, so it's quite a disturbing scene.
Speaker 2: Why is it disturbing?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't like seeing people like my friends
Speaker 1: to be fair, like, I do have it like an
Speaker 1: ick of like I remember one time dating the sky
Speaker 1: and like we were it was so dry.
Speaker 3: This period of dating. He was sleeping around and I
Speaker 3: could hear my housemate having.
Speaker 2: Fantastics was here.
Speaker 3: We were just in bed like not and I was like,
Speaker 3: this is actually.
Speaker 2: Driving me crazy.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think like I want live
Speaker 1: with my best friend and she would have sex in
Speaker 1: the bathroom sometimes in the bathroom's like a very thin
Speaker 1: paper wall to my room, and if you're lying alone,
Speaker 1: like listening to people have sex, it's actually you'll really
Speaker 1: like she's like my childhood friend. Like it's quite disturbing.
Speaker 1: It's like I want to have my parents having sex,
Speaker 1: and it fucked me up.
Speaker 3: I remember one time it's like a real childhood memory
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 2: Like waking up early.
Speaker 3: It's like a really young kid and my parents were
Speaker 3: obviously having sex, and like I just like news, I
Speaker 3: shouldn't go into the room, so I just like got
Speaker 3: out my sister's like tea set.
Speaker 2: I was like in London, just playing with a tea
Speaker 2: set by myself.
Speaker 1: Like oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: No, it's we come from a culture where like it's
Speaker 3: such a taboo, like sex and bodies and nudity. It
Speaker 3: is such a taboo. But like there are cultures where
Speaker 3: like it's absolutely fine, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But it's more I completely agree with all of that,
Speaker 1: and I'm so like pro all of this stuff, but
Speaker 1: it's more when it's someone you know really well and
Speaker 1: you see them in that position, sometimes it takes a
Speaker 1: while to forget about, Yeah, that image in your head.
Speaker 2: Well baby, Oh no, I can't say that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I can't. One time there's someone who I know.
Speaker 3: I can't go into much detail, but they were like
Speaker 3: they took a photo of me, like I'd fallen asleep
Speaker 3: in a car and they'd like had taken a photo
Speaker 3: and they're like trying to show me this photo and
Speaker 3: they flicked the wrong way and I saw like a
Speaker 3: bad image and this was like an older person in
Speaker 3: my life, and I was just like, I can never
Speaker 3: get that image out of my mind.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about, because that is that
Speaker 1: I once accidentally showed my dad a picture of me
Speaker 1: fingering myself and it was just it was so bad,
Speaker 1: and like, bless him deaf, he did deal with it
Speaker 1: quite well. He just pretended that he couldn't remember it happening.
Speaker 1: So I left the room straight away. I was at
Speaker 1: a dinner party left the room, went outside my friend
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh you God, the worst things
Speaker 1: just happened. I went to show him a picture of
Speaker 1: I'd taken a picture of him and my family's dog,
Speaker 1: and then he said, can I see the picture? So
Speaker 1: I got on my images app, but because I had
Speaker 1: just taken a nude so it opened full screen. The
Speaker 1: phone is in his face. Picture of me in the bath,
Speaker 1: completely naked, my vagina in short, fingering myself.
Speaker 2: That is next level.
Speaker 1: That is the worst moments.
Speaker 2: My mom once booked in me masturbating and.
Speaker 3: My mom just goes no, slaps the door, runs out,
Speaker 3: gets in a car, drives away for hours. We don't
Speaker 3: talk for three days.
Speaker 1: How embarrassing you should have been like, excuse me, mom,
Speaker 1: I heard you shagging and I just played with my teeth.
Speaker 4: Sir, Yeah, what's your relationship with stuff?
Speaker 1: I'll just wear a relationship with stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good with stuff. Yeah, no, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 5: I just I'm very good at throwing.
Speaker 1: Stuff away, like last night, like I do like once
Speaker 1: a month, I just throw loads of stuff away.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the dumb He's like my favorite plage.
Speaker 5: And you're just also just like getting new stuff I.
Speaker 1: Just like cleansing, like I like throwing out stuff, but
Speaker 1: I don't need any more.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really help your Tracy Beaker esque archetype self.
Speaker 3: When you go, I love the dump like dumping ground energy.
Speaker 1: Anyone listening right, All of my friends have, including Dan
Speaker 1: of called me Tracy Beaker ongoing for years. If you're
Speaker 1: listening in America, you don't know who the fuck Tracy
Speaker 1: Beaker is. But she was a character in a book,
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Wilson book and then a TV show in like
Speaker 1: children's and it was called the Dumping Ground.
Speaker 2: She was like so aggressive, but she's very me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it now, I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, I do love the dump.
Speaker 1: To answer that point, like.
Speaker 3: Would you live about the door because I love.
Speaker 1: The process of throwing things away, like I can't tell you,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like wasteful. It's not that it's like
Speaker 1: cardboard boxes like when I've ordered stuff or bodies dead bodies, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like the dump like the Sopranos, Like dumps
Speaker 1: are like famously where people pass through bodies like dumb
Speaker 1: because they just mash up all the stuff and then
Speaker 1: the dead body gets mashed up.
Speaker 3: But that's not.
Speaker 1: Why I love it, But like I love it. I
Speaker 1: kind of fancy everyone that works the dump in kend
Speaker 1: of Town. Like, no, I'm not joking. I have like
Speaker 1: a real flighting rapport with all of the men there.
Speaker 1: They love me. But you don't like smells, but the
Speaker 1: dump is not stuff like that. It's not like food smell.
Speaker 1: It's like wood and like electricals and like clothes and
Speaker 1: books and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, is this a sponsored ad for the dump in
Speaker 3: Kentish Town. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: Redis Road. It's called the Cycling Center. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. I go like every two weeks. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I genuinely mean it. And it's a really weird thing
Speaker 1: that everybody finds really odd about me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but find your garden somewhere, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me it's the dump.
Speaker 2: For this guy's contact improv, yeah you it's the dump.
Speaker 1: For me, it's the dump.
Speaker 3: It's quite judgmental though, this whole like do you like stuff?
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I mean. Yeah, But it's also
Speaker 1: I felt he was judging that I love the dump
Speaker 1: because he was basically accusing me of being anti climate change,
Speaker 1: right as in like he was like, oh, so a
Speaker 1: lot of like you and then you buy more stuff
Speaker 1: and it's like no, no, I just like having no clutter.
Speaker 3: Ever, Yeah, it's like because you buy incense put in
Speaker 3: your tent at Shambala does not mean you're better than me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, how many fucking glow sticks have
Speaker 1: you got on your face and your picture on your
Speaker 1: dating app? Like glosticks are good for the environment, famously.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's UV paint. It's not glowstick, right, Well,
Speaker 2: that comes from a glow stick. UV paint does not
Speaker 2: come from glowsticks.
Speaker 6: What do you think about like the ideas of like
Speaker 6: masculine and feminine and having those like polarities in yourself,
Speaker 6: you know, having a masculine.
Speaker 5: Like to you, Well, I've always that interactive. Those things
Speaker 5: are men.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of masculine qualities, and I've always
Speaker 1: actually been quite alpha. Yeah, and I have really confused
Speaker 1: men throughout my life because I've also been really attracted
Speaker 1: hyper masculine men, which is then like very complicated because
Speaker 1: we're just clash.
Speaker 5: What do you mean when.
Speaker 1: You like men who did a trial at Arsenal?
Speaker 5: That's just means so good at football.
Speaker 1: No, like like football boys very lady boys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's other brands of masculinity, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I'm not saying there aren't. But that's
Speaker 1: what I mean when I'm talking about my life. I'm sorry, like,
Speaker 1: have a fucking day off.
Speaker 2: It's like a great question. I do enjoy that question,
Speaker 2: but you're not going.
Speaker 1: To think of conversation. But I'm not saying like.
Speaker 3: The only men play football for.
Speaker 1: But also that's the point I'm making, is like that's
Speaker 1: a brand of masculinity that it doesn't need to be one.
Speaker 1: Like you're inferring that I'm saying that masculinity means being
Speaker 1: a lad because you take yourself way too seriously.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's also that thing of being there, like
Speaker 3: I'm a really open, fluid person. But actually, like there's
Speaker 3: so many taints of judgment, Like you're like, Dan, this.
Speaker 1: Is what I was referring to earlier with like quote
Speaker 1: unquote spiritual people. I always get this sort of like
Speaker 1: better than vibe from them, where they're judging all of
Speaker 1: your choices because they think they're living a more pure
Speaker 1: life than you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I think it's an interesting question
Speaker 3: for this person to bring up. Like I've been getting
Speaker 3: my nails done recently, Like it's something that I really love.
Speaker 3: I live like a bit of length, of a bit
Speaker 3: of color, and it gives me like euphoria, Like it
Speaker 3: makes me as a queer person, like as.
Speaker 2: Like like a non binary person. It makes me feel good.
Speaker 3: But like I sometimes have a disparity because I'm so
Speaker 3: big and built that like I know that I hold
Speaker 3: so much masculinity in myself and I'm quite dominant, but
Speaker 3: like femininity is where I find strength. It's just like
Speaker 3: looking at the gay world or they're like, I'm a
Speaker 3: drag performer, do you know what I mean? So, like
Speaker 3: there's so many things where like is that an attractive
Speaker 3: to the gay world because they're like, oh, it's too
Speaker 3: you know, gay, too fag, you to like feminine. So
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where you get something don't
Speaker 3: like get men out and makes me feel great. But
Speaker 3: there'll be times when I'm in spaces where I'm like,
Speaker 3: am I less attractive to this person now because I'm
Speaker 3: giving off gay you know?
Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to navigate, which is what I was
Speaker 1: sort of trying to get to be honest with that guy.
Speaker 1: Like I've always been made to feel that I'm actually
Speaker 1: way too like not masculine obviously like physically, but like
Speaker 1: in energy, like way too dominant, and that's always made
Speaker 1: me feel like less attractive because I've not ever felt
Speaker 1: like feminine in my personality because I'm not traditionally like
Speaker 1: feminine the way that I behave. But it's it's just
Speaker 1: something that you navigate, I guess, And I feel like
Speaker 1: in one way, your attraction to people should be valued
Speaker 1: on whether or not they accept you.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Attracted to people that make you question yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't like it, then they weren't anyway, They're.
Speaker 1: Not right for you, and you shouldn't be giving them
Speaker 1: your energy.
Speaker 3: It's also like what gives you joy, like like I
Speaker 3: love like, I love the things I do for my work.
Speaker 1: I love like people really like you will really like
Speaker 1: that about you. I think that's the thing that we
Speaker 1: have to be both of us training in our heads
Speaker 1: at the moment with our dating lives, is like you
Speaker 1: have to value those people that make you feel like
Speaker 1: completely accepted as yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not pandering to the people that just like
Speaker 3: don't mate you feelod enough because they're not good enough
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like trying harder for them because
Speaker 1: you don't approve of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, massively, It's like it's so hard to like not
Speaker 3: absorb the things that like society are giving you all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Lo, first time anyone's ever said that.
Speaker 1: Write that down, write down, that's preach, preach.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what was it like going out of someone
Speaker 3: who's a been more like spiritual holistic? Like, did you
Speaker 3: feel judged? Did you feel appreciated? How do you feel?
Speaker 1: I found parts of it interesting, definitely, But I did
Speaker 1: not love that the list. I've completely forgotten that interaction
Speaker 1: at the end where I felt like completely condescended. Like
Speaker 1: I have such an aversion to people that think that
Speaker 1: they're better than you because they like go to Bali
Speaker 1: and like do some fucking weird mating dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for those glow sticks and.
Speaker 1: Then throw the glow sticks in the ocean and kill
Speaker 1: the dolphins.
Speaker 2: And they're like they're wrapped round turtle's throats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those glos think about all the turtles that you're
Speaker 3: killing with those snapped glow sticks that you've snapped for
Speaker 3: your little beach party sex.
Speaker 1: Clisspe next time on twenty eight dates later. Why are
Speaker 1: you misleading so many people into thinking you're going to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship with them?
Speaker 5: Okay, great, Sorry, I do think we're sending We're actually
Speaker 5: saying they came for goods because you're going on twenty
Speaker 5: eight dates to find the one around me.
Speaker 2: I'm a savage, can it?
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