WEBVTT - Ep 8: The Spiritual Guy

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<v Speaker 1>This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been warned.

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving. Julie Roberts eat Prey Love, Just Eat, which

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<v Speaker 2>is my life? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a savage.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people

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<v Speaker 1>from the same apps in the same bar You've only

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<v Speaker 1>chosen because it's close to your house and you can

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<v Speaker 1>make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative on how we find love. It's time to start

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<v Speaker 1>looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are

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<v Speaker 1>the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>of these dates in two months, will I find that

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<v Speaker 1>special someone? Or well, this experiment proved that I should

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<v Speaker 1>just give up on dating altogether. It's time to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Aray, Do any will call you Daniel sometimes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Is everyone's going to be silent about the riff I did?

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was asking you a question.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, Daniel, iriff back, and then you said Lorraine,

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<v Speaker 3>not said Lorraine.

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<v Speaker 1>You did? I went great, you said Lorraine, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>it recorded about the dates you said, Lorrain wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost back, Lorraine, that's what you said, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what you look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Loraine?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, this is a morning Interview of Keis Lorraine. Kelly's me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went on a date with this guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read that his profile. I love exploring

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<v Speaker 1>connection with our expectations, friends, casual or who knows, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>before wild in love. It's all welcome. Let's suck around

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<v Speaker 1>and find out. I mean films, dancing and a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of Hippi adjacent things like contact improv, psychedelics, love, bouldering, circling,

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<v Speaker 1>not sure that is. And then he's also entered music production.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit me up if you want to make music together.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been thinking about making music. So that's good

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<v Speaker 1>to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, you have what is?

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<v Speaker 1>Well what is? I found it out, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>very confused at what contact improv?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he's a comedian and I think he's fair. That's

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<v Speaker 3>this is my kind of man, though I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you look like you could be like a roadie,

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<v Speaker 3>I do get that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is very gorgeous, gorgeous, He's got amazing eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's like his bios give him like hocus pokem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit like a bit woo woo woo.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean a lot of these things I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what they are. I've got no idea what.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what. I don't know what circling is.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what bouldering is. That's the kind of rock climbing,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>And we get those streams out girls Chambala.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, right, that's the kind of text. I

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<v Speaker 1>was about to say copy, But that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like text that like is to me quite overwhelming because

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<v Speaker 1>I can just tell that you're quite a serious, deep person,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not really good with people like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, yeah, I've got anal version for it, like

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a natural version of Remember one time I

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<v Speaker 3>did this like artist residency in Poland and it was

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<v Speaker 3>very hippie and it was like kuddle puddles and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>What is a kind of boddle. It's like where you

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<v Speaker 3>just like cuddle in a group. Like it's very like

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<v Speaker 3>contact you and like rubbing contact improvers. Oh really yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I would be open to it. Does someone touch me?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be opened to that unless I want them

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<v Speaker 1>to touch me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just smells beer do I mean, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be on mass like cuddling, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honest.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember one time at the same residence, he was

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<v Speaker 3>watching the show and it was really emotional, really fucking sad,

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<v Speaker 3>and like it just triggers something in me, and like

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, like we had been on it for

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<v Speaker 3>like ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite intense experience.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like sobbing, like really sobbing, and this

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<v Speaker 3>random like hippie got up from the crowd, walked through

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd and came and hugged me, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>like a gorgeous thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But mumma, he's stunk.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, it's a lovely expression, but my god,

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<v Speaker 3>my god, you smell like layers upon layers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel right. So like I actually did really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy like loads of things about this day because I

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<v Speaker 1>found him super interesting and he was quiet, but he'd

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<v Speaker 1>basically will come on to it. But he'd just come

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<v Speaker 1>back from Barley where he'd been for ages, and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>like fallen in love with someone. I was just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interested by the whole situation because, like is Ana,

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<v Speaker 1>that was unfinished business him and this girl, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know how it was going to end, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was more kind of interested in that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think when you listen back to him, he's quite serious

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<v Speaker 1>and speaks a bit slowly and like kind of too

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<v Speaker 1>quietly for me because I'm a bit deaf as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so I couldn't actually hear a lot of what he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's giving Julian Robers eat prey love, Yes, eat wank nap.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been in Bali for like five months two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>How was that?

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<v Speaker 5>Were you just working from that pretty much? Pretty much?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 5>Just doing a lot of those like hippie body stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>So what were you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>What else were you doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of hippie stuff were you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>I was doing quite a lot of.

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<v Speaker 6>Something called contact improv I was basically kind of embodiment

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<v Speaker 6>exploration trip. Yeah, kind of like getting in touch with

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<v Speaker 6>my body and my emotions and getting out.

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<v Speaker 5>Of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is contacted?

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<v Speaker 6>It's basically like a partner dance, but it's improvised, so

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<v Speaker 6>it's like exploring, exploring weight and balance, some movement with

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<v Speaker 6>another persona and yeah, it's just like very good to

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<v Speaker 6>just getting it out of your heading into your bodies

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<v Speaker 6>and you're just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, were you doing that like with a strangers?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, akay my worst name there he is giving a

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<v Speaker 3>step up the Ballei edition.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, oh my god, I said, what's conducting?

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<v Speaker 3>Brov?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he said some absolute mumbo jumbo And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, but what is contact I Brov, Like, you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't told me what it is. It's a dance, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>would you do that?

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is right, is that like there's a massive

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<v Speaker 3>part of me that wants to be more spiritual and holistic,

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<v Speaker 3>like my heart. Like my job is like say like

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<v Speaker 3>the drug characters like kind of taken looking at like

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<v Speaker 3>spiritualism and like making a joke of it, but like

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<v Speaker 3>in a very positive way lifting lifting. But we get

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people in my shows, like Tara readers

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<v Speaker 3>and like witches come in because they like they enjoy it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would love to step more into it, but

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<v Speaker 3>I just I don't notice that my dad's voice in

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<v Speaker 3>my head, that's like that mumbo umbo.

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<v Speaker 1>I think The thing is is what I feel is

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<v Speaker 1>that you can be spiritual about doing things like contact

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<v Speaker 1>I brov like that doesn't divine. Like I actually do

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<v Speaker 1>identify like a lot with like spirituality, and like I

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<v Speaker 1>do lots of yoga and menation and ship. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just have of like a complete like blockage to the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking bullshit of people thinking that they like have superpowers

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<v Speaker 1>and like in doing certain things. You can be like

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<v Speaker 1>the most basic person and still like have spirituality without

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<v Speaker 1>doing of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course, I mean you can find your God in anything exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like there's loads of different ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that. And also like you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to rush it beca We're still young, you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to like become like a savant now, like it's an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when I played twenty one questions, I always

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<v Speaker 1>get it within five questions. And I think I am

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<v Speaker 1>a bit psychic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've had some psychic things.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really going to like know when someone's pregnant, not

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<v Speaker 3>by looking at them, but like I've had friends before,

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<v Speaker 3>like my my dad's like girlfriends multiple I'm from a

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<v Speaker 3>divorce phone divorce family, but I'd be like, oh, you're pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't told my dad or anything. They're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you know? But like there's something about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember one time when I was a kid, we'll drop.

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<v Speaker 2>Our brother off to school. He's at secondary school.

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<v Speaker 3>I was at primary school, and I was like, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to crash the car, and then like five minutes later,

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<v Speaker 3>a card is smashed into side of us, and my

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<v Speaker 3>mom was like, how did you know?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Drunk Damien?

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<v Speaker 2>Baby? But I'm open to it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do have a natural because sometimes I meet

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<v Speaker 3>people who are like on a trip around the world

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<v Speaker 3>and they're trying to like be spiritual, and when you

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<v Speaker 3>speaks to them, you're like, I feel like you're teetering

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<v Speaker 3>on a nervous breakdown.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially an identity that people are forging for themselves. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an identity. Like that's just sometimes what I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't necessarily feel that about this guy, though.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got his sexy voice. I quite like him.

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<v Speaker 6>I basically fell in love with someone just before I

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<v Speaker 6>left Balie. Oh wow, but it's very complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>We met on a kind of retreat which involved optional

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<v Speaker 6>sex and nudity and like quite intense relational stuff and

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<v Speaker 6>she has a long term partner, but they had agreed

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<v Speaker 6>that it was completely open, so I had to do whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's her longtime partner with her in BALI right, Okay, Yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 6>Met on the retreat and like sat together quite a lot,

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<v Speaker 6>like spend a lot of time together on the retreat,

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<v Speaker 6>and that was like completely consensual with the permission as

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<v Speaker 6>the partner.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't think.

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<v Speaker 6>They necessarily thought that it would get that emotionally deep

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<v Speaker 6>with anyone. Like we've literally, you know, known each other,

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<v Speaker 6>but well, we've known each other for a couple of months,

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<v Speaker 6>but yeah, we've.

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<v Speaker 5>Had like five days of actually being right with each other.

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<v Speaker 5>There's like so much that we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>But the emotional connection is like so strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I love them. There's just so much that we don't know. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite I was I wanted to know where

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<v Speaker 1>the story was going to end. Like I was like

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<v Speaker 1>quite engrossed in that story because I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the complications of like ethical non monogamy or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>is that there is a potential that your partner is

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<v Speaker 1>like going to like fall deeply in love with someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>but then there's this question of can you be in

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<v Speaker 1>love with more than one person at one time? But

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<v Speaker 1>then where does that leave this guy? Because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he's obviously in love with this woman and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she was still emballey and I think they were like

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<v Speaker 1>talking quite a lot. Also, sorry, can we just talk

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<v Speaker 1>about whatever? That thing that he was at it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby naked sex. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I've been like

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<v Speaker 3>one of my someone I need to live with was

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<v Speaker 3>into like tantric sex, and I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't mind exploring it. Like for me, like with

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<v Speaker 3>the connection and the tryst in someone else, it can

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<v Speaker 3>like hinder my exploration of intimacy. Like sometimes I can

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<v Speaker 3>be with someone and I'd be like, god, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>so shut down in the body, Like I feel really

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<v Speaker 3>like not feeling sensation so much because.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so much in my head.

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<v Speaker 3>So like a lot of it is like I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to go to a retreat that's like tantric or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and especially where if it was somewhere that's

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<v Speaker 1>not like an ex sex party but actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody's sober and it's in like a beautiful location

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds really ideal for manifest.

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<v Speaker 2>That, and my body's like really together yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're like not like drunk, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's like and I'm looking really fit, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not about that because I'm in a spiritual play.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm still looking really fair.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also important, but like in a spiritual way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're feeling really.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair, yeah, because I do want to put the hole

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<v Speaker 2>in holistic.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can get creepy. It can get creepy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's why I would go to something

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<v Speaker 1>like that with like a friend obviously not like a

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<v Speaker 1>friend I'm getting with, but like maybe like you should

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<v Speaker 1>we do it, yeah, Because but how would you feel

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<v Speaker 1>if you like accidentally saw me shagging?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I honestly would not care, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you not? But some of my friends who have

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally seen me shagging, so it's quite a disturbing scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it disturbing?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't like seeing people like my friends

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, like, I do have it like an

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<v Speaker 1>ick of like I remember one time dating the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and like we were it was so dry.

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<v Speaker 3>This period of dating. He was sleeping around and I

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<v Speaker 3>could hear my housemate having.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastics was here.

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<v Speaker 3>We were just in bed like not and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Driving me crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's it. I think like I want live

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<v Speaker 1>with my best friend and she would have sex in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom sometimes in the bathroom's like a very thin

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<v Speaker 1>paper wall to my room, and if you're lying alone,

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<v Speaker 1>like listening to people have sex, it's actually you'll really

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<v Speaker 1>like she's like my childhood friend. Like it's quite disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I want to have my parents having sex,

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<v Speaker 1>and it fucked me up.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember one time it's like a real childhood memory

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<v Speaker 3>of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like waking up early.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a really young kid and my parents were

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<v Speaker 3>obviously having sex, and like I just like news, I

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't go into the room, so I just like got

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<v Speaker 3>out my sister's like tea set.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like in London, just playing with a tea

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<v Speaker 2>set by myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Like oh my god, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's we come from a culture where like it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a taboo, like sex and bodies and nudity. It

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<v Speaker 3>is such a taboo. But like there are cultures where

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<v Speaker 3>like it's absolutely fine, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's more I completely agree with all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so like pro all of this stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's more when it's someone you know really well and

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<v Speaker 1>you see them in that position, sometimes it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>while to forget about, Yeah, that image in your head.

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<v Speaker 2>Well baby, Oh no, I can't say that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. One time there's someone who I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't go into much detail, but they were like

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<v Speaker 3>they took a photo of me, like I'd fallen asleep

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<v Speaker 3>in a car and they'd like had taken a photo

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like trying to show me this photo and

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<v Speaker 3>they flicked the wrong way and I saw like a

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<v Speaker 3>bad image and this was like an older person in

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<v Speaker 3>my life, and I was just like, I can never

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<v Speaker 3>get that image out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I'm talking about, because that is that

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<v Speaker 1>I once accidentally showed my dad a picture of me

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<v Speaker 1>fingering myself and it was just it was so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, bless him deaf, he did deal with it

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<v Speaker 1>quite well. He just pretended that he couldn't remember it happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So I left the room straight away. I was at

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<v Speaker 1>a dinner party left the room, went outside my friend

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh you God, the worst things

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<v Speaker 1>just happened. I went to show him a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>I'd taken a picture of him and my family's dog,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he said, can I see the picture? So

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<v Speaker 1>I got on my images app, but because I had

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<v Speaker 1>just taken a nude so it opened full screen. The

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<v Speaker 1>phone is in his face. Picture of me in the bath,

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<v Speaker 1>completely naked, my vagina in short, fingering myself.

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<v Speaker 2>That is next level.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the worst moments.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom once booked in me masturbating and.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom just goes no, slaps the door, runs out,

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<v Speaker 3>gets in a car, drives away for hours. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>talk for three days.

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<v Speaker 1>How embarrassing you should have been like, excuse me, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you shagging and I just played with my teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>Sir, Yeah, what's your relationship with stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just wear a relationship with stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty good with stuff. Yeah, no, I'm pretty good.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I'm very good at throwing.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff away, like last night, like I do like once

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<v Speaker 1>a month, I just throw loads of stuff away.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the dumb He's like my favorite plage.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're just also just like getting new stuff I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like cleansing, like I like throwing out stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need any more.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really help your Tracy Beaker esque archetype self.

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<v Speaker 3>When you go, I love the dump like dumping ground energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone listening right, All of my friends have, including Dan

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<v Speaker 1>of called me Tracy Beaker ongoing for years. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening in America, you don't know who the fuck Tracy

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<v Speaker 1>Beaker is. But she was a character in a book,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Wilson book and then a TV show in like

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<v Speaker 1>children's and it was called the Dumping Ground.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like so aggressive, but she's very me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get it now, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, okay, I do love the dump.

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<v Speaker 1>To answer that point, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you live about the door because I love.

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<v Speaker 1>The process of throwing things away, like I can't tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like wasteful. It's not that it's like

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<v Speaker 1>cardboard boxes like when I've ordered stuff or bodies dead bodies, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the dump like the Sopranos, Like dumps

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<v Speaker 1>are like famously where people pass through bodies like dumb

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<v Speaker 1>because they just mash up all the stuff and then

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<v Speaker 1>the dead body gets mashed up.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I love it, But like I love it. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fancy everyone that works the dump in kend

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<v Speaker 1>of Town. Like, no, I'm not joking. I have like

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<v Speaker 1>a real flighting rapport with all of the men there.

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<v Speaker 1>They love me. But you don't like smells, but the

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<v Speaker 1>dump is not stuff like that. It's not like food smell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like wood and like electricals and like clothes and

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<v Speaker 1>books and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, is this a sponsored ad for the dump in

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<v Speaker 3>Kentish Town. I'm not joking.

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<v Speaker 1>Redis Road. It's called the Cycling Center. I love it

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I go like every two weeks. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I genuinely mean it. And it's a really weird thing

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody finds really odd about me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but find your garden somewhere, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for me it's the dump.

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<v Speaker 2>For this guy's contact improv, yeah you it's the dump.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's the dump.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quite judgmental though, this whole like do you like stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I feel like they.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's what I mean. Yeah, But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>I felt he was judging that I love the dump

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<v Speaker 1>because he was basically accusing me of being anti climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>right as in like he was like, oh, so a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like you and then you buy more stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like no, no, I just like having no clutter.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, Yeah, it's like because you buy incense put in

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<v Speaker 3>your tent at Shambala does not mean you're better than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but like, how many fucking glow sticks have

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<v Speaker 1>you got on your face and your picture on your

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<v Speaker 1>dating app? Like glosticks are good for the environment, famously.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's UV paint. It's not glowstick, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that comes from a glow stick. UV paint does not

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<v Speaker 2>come from glowsticks.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you think about like the ideas of like

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<v Speaker 6>masculine and feminine and having those like polarities in yourself,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, having a masculine.

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<v Speaker 5>Like to you, Well, I've always that interactive. Those things

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<v Speaker 5>are men.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of masculine qualities, and I've always

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<v Speaker 1>actually been quite alpha. Yeah, and I have really confused

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<v Speaker 1>men throughout my life because I've also been really attracted

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<v Speaker 1>hyper masculine men, which is then like very complicated because

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<v Speaker 1>we're just clash.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you mean when.

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<v Speaker 1>You like men who did a trial at Arsenal?

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<v Speaker 5>That's just means so good at football.

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<v Speaker 1>No, like like football boys very lady boys.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's there's other brands of masculinity, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course I'm not saying there aren't. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean when I'm talking about my life. I'm sorry, like,

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<v Speaker 1>have a fucking day off.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a great question. I do enjoy that question,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're not going.

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<v Speaker 1>To think of conversation. But I'm not saying like.

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<v Speaker 3>The only men play football for.

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<v Speaker 1>But also that's the point I'm making, is like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a brand of masculinity that it doesn't need to be one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're inferring that I'm saying that masculinity means being

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<v Speaker 1>a lad because you take yourself way too seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's also that thing of being there, like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a really open, fluid person. But actually, like there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many taints of judgment, Like you're like, Dan, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what I was referring to earlier with like quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote spiritual people. I always get this sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>better than vibe from them, where they're judging all of

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<v Speaker 1>your choices because they think they're living a more pure

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<v Speaker 1>life than you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I mean I think it's an interesting question

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<v Speaker 3>for this person to bring up. Like I've been getting

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<v Speaker 3>my nails done recently, Like it's something that I really love.

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<v Speaker 3>I live like a bit of length, of a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of color, and it gives me like euphoria, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>makes me as a queer person, like as.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like a non binary person. It makes me feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I sometimes have a disparity because I'm so

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<v Speaker 3>big and built that like I know that I hold

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<v Speaker 3>so much masculinity in myself and I'm quite dominant, but

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<v Speaker 3>like femininity is where I find strength. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the gay world or they're like, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>drag performer, do you know what I mean? So, like

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<v Speaker 3>there's so many things where like is that an attractive

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<v Speaker 3>to the gay world because they're like, oh, it's too

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gay, too fag, you to like feminine. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of those things where you get something don't

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<v Speaker 3>like get men out and makes me feel great. But

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<v Speaker 3>there'll be times when I'm in spaces where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>am I less attractive to this person now because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>giving off gay you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hard thing to navigate, which is what I was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of trying to get to be honest with that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've always been made to feel that I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>way too like not masculine obviously like physically, but like

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<v Speaker 1>in energy, like way too dominant, and that's always made

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like less attractive because I've not ever felt

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<v Speaker 1>like feminine in my personality because I'm not traditionally like

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<v Speaker 1>feminine the way that I behave. But it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>something that you navigate, I guess, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>in one way, your attraction to people should be valued

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<v Speaker 1>on whether or not they accept you.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 1>Attracted to people that make you question yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if they don't like it, then they weren't anyway, They're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not right for you, and you shouldn't be giving them

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<v Speaker 1>your energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also like what gives you joy, like like I

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<v Speaker 3>love like, I love the things I do for my work.

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<v Speaker 1>I love like people really like you will really like

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<v Speaker 1>that about you. I think that's the thing that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to be both of us training in our heads

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment with our dating lives, is like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to value those people that make you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>completely accepted as yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and not pandering to the people that just like

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<v Speaker 3>don't mate you feelod enough because they're not good enough

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you're like trying harder for them because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't approve of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, massively, It's like it's so hard to like not

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<v Speaker 3>absorb the things that like society are giving you all

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<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Lo, first time anyone's ever said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Write that down, write down, that's preach, preach.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So what was it like going out of someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's a been more like spiritual holistic? Like, did you

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<v Speaker 3>feel judged? Did you feel appreciated? How do you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>I found parts of it interesting, definitely, But I did

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<v Speaker 1>not love that the list. I've completely forgotten that interaction

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<v Speaker 1>at the end where I felt like completely condescended. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I have such an aversion to people that think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're better than you because they like go to Bali

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<v Speaker 1>and like do some fucking weird mating dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like for those glow sticks and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then throw the glow sticks in the ocean and kill

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<v Speaker 1>the dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like they're wrapped round turtle's throats.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those glos think about all the turtles that you're

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<v Speaker 3>killing with those snapped glow sticks that you've snapped for

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<v Speaker 3>your little beach party sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Clisspe next time on twenty eight dates later. Why are

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<v Speaker 1>you misleading so many people into thinking you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a relationship with them?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, great, Sorry, I do think we're sending We're actually

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<v Speaker 5>saying they came for goods because you're going on twenty

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<v Speaker 5>eight dates to find the one around me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a savage, can it?

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