1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: You have been warned. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: It's giving. Julie Roberts eat Prey Love, Just Eat, which 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: is my life? Yeah? 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 3: Exactly me. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: I'm a savage. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: from the same apps in the same bar You've only 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: chosen because it's close to your house and you can 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: of these dates in two months, will I find that 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: special someone? Or well, this experiment proved that I should 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: just give up on dating altogether. It's time to find out. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Aray, Do any will call you Daniel sometimes? 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: Okay? 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: Is everyone's going to be silent about the riff I did? 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: That's crazy to me. 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: I was asking you a question. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: You said, Daniel, iriff back, and then you said Lorraine, 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: not said Lorraine. 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: You did? I went great, you said Lorraine, we've got 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: it recorded about the dates you said, Lorrain wrote about 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: a ghost back, Lorraine, that's what you said, he said, 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: do you know what you look like? 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: Loraine? 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a morning Interview of Keis Lorraine. Kelly's me. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: So I went on a date with this guy, and 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to read that his profile. I love exploring 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: connection with our expectations, friends, casual or who knows, maybe 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: before wild in love. It's all welcome. Let's suck around 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: and find out. I mean films, dancing and a bunch 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: of Hippi adjacent things like contact improv, psychedelics, love, bouldering, circling, 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: not sure that is. And then he's also entered music production. 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Hit me up if you want to make music together. 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: I have been thinking about making music. So that's good 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: to know. 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you have what is? 43 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Well what is? I found it out, but I was 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: very confused at what contact improv? 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: Maybe he's a comedian and I think he's fair. That's 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: this is my kind of man, though I don't know why. 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: Like if you look like you could be like a roadie, 48 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: I do get that. 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: And he is very gorgeous, gorgeous, He's got amazing eyes. 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's like his bios give him like hocus pokem. 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: It's a bit like a bit woo woo woo. 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: But I mean a lot of these things I don't 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: know what they are. I've got no idea what. 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what circling is. 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: I know what bouldering is. That's the kind of rock climbing, 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: I think. 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: And we get those streams out girls Chambala. 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: I feel like, right, that's the kind of text. I 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: was about to say copy, But that's the kind of 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: like text that like is to me quite overwhelming because 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I can just tell that you're quite a serious, deep person, 62 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not really good with people like that. 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, I've got anal version for it, like 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: I've got a natural version of Remember one time I 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: did this like artist residency in Poland and it was 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: very hippie and it was like kuddle puddles and stuff. 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: What is a kind of boddle. It's like where you 68 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: just like cuddle in a group. Like it's very like 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,559 Speaker 3: contact you and like rubbing contact improvers. Oh really yeah, 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: I would be open to it. Does someone touch me? 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 72 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opened to that unless I want them 73 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: to touch me. 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: It's just smells beer do I mean, yeah. 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 5: I'm not. 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to be on mass like cuddling, if 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm honest. 78 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I remember one time at the same residence, he was 79 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: watching the show and it was really emotional, really fucking sad, 80 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: and like it just triggers something in me, and like 81 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: I was like, like we had been on it for 82 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: like ten days. 83 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: It's quite intense experience. 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: But I was like sobbing, like really sobbing, and this 85 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 3: random like hippie got up from the crowd, walked through 86 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: the crowd and came and hugged me, and it was 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: like a gorgeous thing. 88 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: But mumma, he's stunk. 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: I was like, it's a lovely expression, but my god, 90 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: my god, you smell like layers upon layers. 91 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: It's like so bad. 92 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: I just feel right. So like I actually did really 93 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: enjoy like loads of things about this day because I 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: found him super interesting and he was quiet, but he'd 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: basically will come on to it. But he'd just come 96 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: back from Barley where he'd been for ages, and he'd 97 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: like fallen in love with someone. I was just kind 98 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: of interested by the whole situation because, like is Ana, 99 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: that was unfinished business him and this girl, and I 100 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: wanted to know how it was going to end, so 101 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: it was more kind of interested in that. But I 102 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: think when you listen back to him, he's quite serious 103 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: and speaks a bit slowly and like kind of too 104 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: quietly for me because I'm a bit deaf as well, 105 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: so I couldn't actually hear a lot of what he 106 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: was saying. 107 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: It's giving Julian Robers eat prey love, Yes, eat wank nap. 108 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: Which is my life. 109 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 5: I've been in Bali for like five months two weeks ago. 111 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: How was that? 112 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 5: Were you just working from that pretty much? Pretty much? 113 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 4: Wow? 114 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 5: Just doing a lot of those like hippie body stuff. 115 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 116 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty good. 117 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: So what were you doing? 118 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: What else were you doing that? 119 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: What kind of hippie stuff were you doing? 120 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: I was doing quite a lot of. 121 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 6: Something called contact improv I was basically kind of embodiment 122 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 6: exploration trip. Yeah, kind of like getting in touch with 123 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 6: my body and my emotions and getting out. 124 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: Of my head. 125 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: So what is contacted? 126 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 6: It's basically like a partner dance, but it's improvised, so 127 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 6: it's like exploring, exploring weight and balance, some movement with 128 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 6: another persona and yeah, it's just like very good to 129 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 6: just getting it out of your heading into your bodies 130 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 6: and you're just. 131 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: Like, were you doing that like with a strangers? 132 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, akay my worst name there he is giving a 133 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: step up the Ballei edition. 134 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: I just can't dance. 135 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Wait, oh my god, I said, what's conducting? 136 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: Brov? 137 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: And then he said some absolute mumbo jumbo And I 138 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: was like, but what is contact I Brov, Like, you 139 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: haven't told me what it is. It's a dance, okay, 140 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: would you do that? 141 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: The thing is right, is that like there's a massive 142 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: part of me that wants to be more spiritual and holistic, 143 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: like my heart. Like my job is like say like 144 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: the drug characters like kind of taken looking at like 145 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: spiritualism and like making a joke of it, but like 146 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: in a very positive way lifting lifting. But we get 147 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: a lot of people in my shows, like Tara readers 148 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 3: and like witches come in because they like they enjoy it, 149 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: and I would love to step more into it, but 150 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: I just I don't notice that my dad's voice in 151 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: my head, that's like that mumbo umbo. 152 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: I think The thing is is what I feel is 153 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: that you can be spiritual about doing things like contact 154 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: I brov like that doesn't divine. Like I actually do 155 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: identify like a lot with like spirituality, and like I 156 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: do lots of yoga and menation and ship. But I 157 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: just have of like a complete like blockage to the 158 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit of people thinking that they like have superpowers 159 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: and like in doing certain things. You can be like 160 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: the most basic person and still like have spirituality without 161 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: doing of. 162 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: Course, I mean you can find your God in anything exactly. 163 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's loads of different ways that 164 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: you can do that. And also like you don't need 165 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: to rush it beca We're still young, you don't need 166 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: to like become like a savant now, like it's an 167 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: ongoing process. 168 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 169 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean when I played twenty one questions, I always 170 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: get it within five questions. And I think I am 171 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: a bit psychic. 172 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: But I've had some psychic things. 173 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: I'm really going to like know when someone's pregnant, not 174 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: by looking at them, but like I've had friends before, 175 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: like my my dad's like girlfriends multiple I'm from a 176 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: divorce phone divorce family, but I'd be like, oh, you're pregnant. 177 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: They haven't told my dad or anything. They're like, wait, 178 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: how do you know? But like there's something about that. 179 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: I remember one time when I was a kid, we'll drop. 180 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Our brother off to school. He's at secondary school. 181 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: I was at primary school, and I was like, we're 182 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: going to crash the car, and then like five minutes later, 183 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: a card is smashed into side of us, and my 184 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: mom was like, how did you know? 185 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: How did you know? 186 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: Drunk Damien? 187 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: Baby? But I'm open to it. 188 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: But I do have a natural because sometimes I meet 189 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: people who are like on a trip around the world 190 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: and they're trying to like be spiritual, and when you 191 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: speaks to them, you're like, I feel like you're teetering 192 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: on a nervous breakdown. 193 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 194 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: I just feel like. 195 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Essentially an identity that people are forging for themselves. They 196 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: don't have an identity. Like that's just sometimes what I feel. 197 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily feel that about this guy, though. 198 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: He's got his sexy voice. I quite like him. 199 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 6: I basically fell in love with someone just before I 200 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 6: left Balie. Oh wow, but it's very complicated. 201 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: Okay. 202 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 5: Sorry. 203 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 6: We met on a kind of retreat which involved optional 204 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 6: sex and nudity and like quite intense relational stuff and 205 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 6: she has a long term partner, but they had agreed 206 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 6: that it was completely open, so I had to do whatever. 207 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: It's her longtime partner with her in BALI right, Okay, Yeah, we. 208 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 6: Met on the retreat and like sat together quite a lot, 209 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 6: like spend a lot of time together on the retreat, 210 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 6: and that was like completely consensual with the permission as 211 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 6: the partner. 212 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 5: But I don't think. 213 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 6: They necessarily thought that it would get that emotionally deep 214 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 6: with anyone. Like we've literally, you know, known each other, 215 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 6: but well, we've known each other for a couple of months, 216 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 6: but yeah, we've. 217 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 5: Had like five days of actually being right with each other. 218 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 5: There's like so much that we don't know. 219 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: Wow. 220 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 5: But the emotional connection is like so strong. 221 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: I love them. There's just so much that we don't know. Wow. 222 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: I told you. 223 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: I told you. 224 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: It was quite I was I wanted to know where 225 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: the story was going to end. Like I was like 226 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: quite engrossed in that story because I guess you know, 227 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: this is the complications of like ethical non monogamy or whatever, 228 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: is that there is a potential that your partner is 229 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: like going to like fall deeply in love with someone else, 230 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: but then there's this question of can you be in 231 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: love with more than one person at one time? But 232 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: then where does that leave this guy? Because it's like 233 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: he's obviously in love with this woman and I think 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: she was still emballey and I think they were like 235 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: talking quite a lot. Also, sorry, can we just talk 236 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: about whatever? That thing that he was at it was 237 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: like a. 238 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: Baby naked sex. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I've been like 239 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: one of my someone I need to live with was 240 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: into like tantric sex, and I was like, you know what, 241 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind exploring it. Like for me, like with 242 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: the connection and the tryst in someone else, it can 243 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: like hinder my exploration of intimacy. Like sometimes I can 244 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: be with someone and I'd be like, god, I feel 245 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: so shut down in the body, Like I feel really 246 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: like not feeling sensation so much because. 247 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm so much in my head. 248 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: So like a lot of it is like I would 249 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: love to go to a retreat that's like tantric or whatever. 250 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: I know, and especially where if it was somewhere that's 251 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: not like an ex sex party but actually kind of 252 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: like everybody's sober and it's in like a beautiful location 253 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: that sounds really ideal for manifest. 254 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: That, and my body's like really together yeah yeah. 255 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like not like drunk, and. 256 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: It's it's like and I'm looking really fit, but it's 257 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: not about that because I'm in a spiritual play. 258 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm still looking really fair. 259 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: That's also important, but like in a spiritual way. 260 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're feeling really. 261 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: Fair, yeah, because I do want to put the hole 262 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: in holistic. 263 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: That that's so you. 264 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: Can get creepy. It can get creepy, yeah. 265 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 5: I know. 266 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: I feel like that's why I would go to something 267 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: like that with like a friend obviously not like a 268 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: friend I'm getting with, but like maybe like you should 269 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: we do it, yeah, Because but how would you feel 270 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: if you like accidentally saw me shagging? 271 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean I honestly would not care, really. 272 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Would you not? But some of my friends who have 273 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: accidentally seen me shagging, so it's quite a disturbing scene. 274 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: Why is it disturbing? 275 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: I don't know. 276 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean I don't like seeing people like my friends 277 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: to be fair, like, I do have it like an 278 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: ick of like I remember one time dating the sky 279 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: and like we were it was so dry. 280 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: This period of dating. He was sleeping around and I 281 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: could hear my housemate having. 282 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: Fantastics was here. 283 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: We were just in bed like not and I was like, 284 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: this is actually. 285 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: Driving me crazy. 286 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think like I want live 287 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: with my best friend and she would have sex in 288 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: the bathroom sometimes in the bathroom's like a very thin 289 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: paper wall to my room, and if you're lying alone, 290 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: like listening to people have sex, it's actually you'll really 291 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: like she's like my childhood friend. Like it's quite disturbing. 292 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: It's like I want to have my parents having sex, 293 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: and it fucked me up. 294 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: I remember one time it's like a real childhood memory 295 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: of me. 296 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: Like waking up early. 297 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: It's like a really young kid and my parents were 298 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: obviously having sex, and like I just like news, I 299 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 3: shouldn't go into the room, so I just like got 300 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: out my sister's like tea set. 301 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: I was like in London, just playing with a tea 302 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: set by myself. 303 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Like oh my god, oh my god. 304 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: No, it's we come from a culture where like it's 305 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: such a taboo, like sex and bodies and nudity. It 306 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: is such a taboo. But like there are cultures where 307 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 3: like it's absolutely fine, one hundred percent. 308 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: But it's more I completely agree with all of that, 309 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: and I'm so like pro all of this stuff, but 310 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: it's more when it's someone you know really well and 311 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: you see them in that position, sometimes it takes a 312 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: while to forget about, Yeah, that image in your head. 313 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 2: Well baby, Oh no, I can't say that. 314 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: I know. 315 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: I can't. One time there's someone who I know. 316 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: I can't go into much detail, but they were like 317 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: they took a photo of me, like I'd fallen asleep 318 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: in a car and they'd like had taken a photo 319 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: and they're like trying to show me this photo and 320 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: they flicked the wrong way and I saw like a 321 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: bad image and this was like an older person in 322 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: my life, and I was just like, I can never 323 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: get that image out of my mind. 324 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about, because that is that 325 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: I once accidentally showed my dad a picture of me 326 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: fingering myself and it was just it was so bad, 327 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: and like, bless him deaf, he did deal with it 328 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: quite well. He just pretended that he couldn't remember it happening. 329 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: So I left the room straight away. I was at 330 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: a dinner party left the room, went outside my friend 331 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh you God, the worst things 332 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: just happened. I went to show him a picture of 333 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: I'd taken a picture of him and my family's dog, 334 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: and then he said, can I see the picture? So 335 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: I got on my images app, but because I had 336 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: just taken a nude so it opened full screen. The 337 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: phone is in his face. Picture of me in the bath, 338 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: completely naked, my vagina in short, fingering myself. 339 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: That is next level. 340 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: That is the worst moments. 341 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: My mom once booked in me masturbating and. 342 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: My mom just goes no, slaps the door, runs out, 343 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: gets in a car, drives away for hours. We don't 344 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: talk for three days. 345 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: How embarrassing you should have been like, excuse me, mom, 346 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: I heard you shagging and I just played with my teeth. 347 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: Sir, Yeah, what's your relationship with stuff? 348 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: I'll just wear a relationship with stuff. 349 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 5: I'm pretty good with stuff. Yeah, no, I'm pretty good. 350 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: I just I'm very good at throwing. 351 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Stuff away, like last night, like I do like once 352 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: a month, I just throw loads of stuff away. 353 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 354 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: I love the dumb He's like my favorite plage. 355 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 5: And you're just also just like getting new stuff I. 356 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Just like cleansing, like I like throwing out stuff, but 357 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't need any more. 358 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't really help your Tracy Beaker esque archetype self. 359 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: When you go, I love the dump like dumping ground energy. 360 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Anyone listening right, All of my friends have, including Dan 361 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: of called me Tracy Beaker ongoing for years. If you're 362 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: listening in America, you don't know who the fuck Tracy 363 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Beaker is. But she was a character in a book, 364 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Wilson book and then a TV show in like 365 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: children's and it was called the Dumping Ground. 366 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: She was like so aggressive, but she's very me. 367 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it now, I get it. 368 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: I mean, okay, I do love the dump. 369 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: To answer that point, like. 370 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: Would you live about the door because I love. 371 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: The process of throwing things away, like I can't tell you, 372 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and it sounds like wasteful. It's not that it's like 373 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: cardboard boxes like when I've ordered stuff or bodies dead bodies, well, 374 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, like the dump like the Sopranos, Like dumps 375 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: are like famously where people pass through bodies like dumb 376 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: because they just mash up all the stuff and then 377 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: the dead body gets mashed up. 378 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: But that's not. 379 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: Why I love it, But like I love it. I 380 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of fancy everyone that works the dump in kend 381 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: of Town. Like, no, I'm not joking. I have like 382 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: a real flighting rapport with all of the men there. 383 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: They love me. But you don't like smells, but the 384 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: dump is not stuff like that. It's not like food smell. 385 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: It's like wood and like electricals and like clothes and 386 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: books and stuff like that. 387 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: Okay, is this a sponsored ad for the dump in 388 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: Kentish Town. I'm not joking. 389 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Redis Road. It's called the Cycling Center. I love it 390 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: so much. I go like every two weeks. Really, yeah, 391 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I genuinely mean it. And it's a really weird thing 392 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: that everybody finds really odd about me. 393 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but find your garden somewhere, you know. 394 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me it's the dump. 395 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: For this guy's contact improv, yeah you it's the dump. 396 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: For me, it's the dump. 397 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: It's quite judgmental though, this whole like do you like stuff? 398 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like they. 399 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I mean. Yeah, But it's also 400 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: I felt he was judging that I love the dump 401 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: because he was basically accusing me of being anti climate change, 402 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: right as in like he was like, oh, so a 403 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: lot of like you and then you buy more stuff 404 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: and it's like no, no, I just like having no clutter. 405 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: Ever, Yeah, it's like because you buy incense put in 406 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: your tent at Shambala does not mean you're better than me. 407 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, how many fucking glow sticks have 408 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: you got on your face and your picture on your 409 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: dating app? Like glosticks are good for the environment, famously. 410 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's UV paint. It's not glowstick, right, Well, 411 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: that comes from a glow stick. UV paint does not 412 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: come from glowsticks. 413 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 6: What do you think about like the ideas of like 414 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 6: masculine and feminine and having those like polarities in yourself, 415 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 6: you know, having a masculine. 416 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 5: Like to you, Well, I've always that interactive. Those things 417 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 5: are men. 418 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: I have a lot of masculine qualities, and I've always 419 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: actually been quite alpha. Yeah, and I have really confused 420 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: men throughout my life because I've also been really attracted 421 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: hyper masculine men, which is then like very complicated because 422 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: we're just clash. 423 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 5: What do you mean when. 424 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: You like men who did a trial at Arsenal? 425 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: That's just means so good at football. 426 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: No, like like football boys very lady boys. 427 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's other brands of masculinity, I guess. 428 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I'm not saying there aren't. But that's 429 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: what I mean when I'm talking about my life. I'm sorry, like, 430 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: have a fucking day off. 431 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: It's like a great question. I do enjoy that question, 432 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: but you're not going. 433 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: To think of conversation. But I'm not saying like. 434 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 3: The only men play football for. 435 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: But also that's the point I'm making, is like that's 436 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: a brand of masculinity that it doesn't need to be one. 437 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: Like you're inferring that I'm saying that masculinity means being 438 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: a lad because you take yourself way too seriously. 439 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's also that thing of being there, like 440 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: I'm a really open, fluid person. But actually, like there's 441 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: so many taints of judgment, Like you're like, Dan, this. 442 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: Is what I was referring to earlier with like quote 443 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: unquote spiritual people. I always get this sort of like 444 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: better than vibe from them, where they're judging all of 445 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: your choices because they think they're living a more pure 446 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: life than you. 447 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I think it's an interesting question 448 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: for this person to bring up. Like I've been getting 449 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 3: my nails done recently, Like it's something that I really love. 450 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 3: I live like a bit of length, of a bit 451 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 3: of color, and it gives me like euphoria, Like it 452 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 3: makes me as a queer person, like as. 453 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: Like like a non binary person. It makes me feel good. 454 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 3: But like I sometimes have a disparity because I'm so 455 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: big and built that like I know that I hold 456 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: so much masculinity in myself and I'm quite dominant, but 457 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 3: like femininity is where I find strength. It's just like 458 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: looking at the gay world or they're like, I'm a 459 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: drag performer, do you know what I mean? So, like 460 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: there's so many things where like is that an attractive 461 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: to the gay world because they're like, oh, it's too 462 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: you know, gay, too fag, you to like feminine. So 463 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: it's one of those things where you get something don't 464 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: like get men out and makes me feel great. But 465 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: there'll be times when I'm in spaces where I'm like, 466 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: am I less attractive to this person now because I'm 467 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 3: giving off gay you know? 468 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's 469 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: a hard thing to navigate, which is what I was 470 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: sort of trying to get to be honest with that guy. 471 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Like I've always been made to feel that I'm actually 472 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: way too like not masculine obviously like physically, but like 473 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: in energy, like way too dominant, and that's always made 474 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: me feel like less attractive because I've not ever felt 475 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: like feminine in my personality because I'm not traditionally like 476 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: feminine the way that I behave. But it's it's just 477 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: something that you navigate, I guess, And I feel like 478 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: in one way, your attraction to people should be valued 479 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: on whether or not they accept you. 480 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. 481 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: You shouldn't be. 482 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: Attracted to people that make you question yeah. 483 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't like it, then they weren't anyway, They're. 484 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Not right for you, and you shouldn't be giving them 485 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: your energy. 486 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: It's also like what gives you joy, like like I 487 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: love like, I love the things I do for my work. 488 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: I love like people really like you will really like 489 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: that about you. I think that's the thing that we 490 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: have to be both of us training in our heads 491 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: at the moment with our dating lives, is like you 492 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: have to value those people that make you feel like 493 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: completely accepted as yourself. 494 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and not pandering to the people that just like 495 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: don't mate you feelod enough because they're not good enough 496 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: for you. 497 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like trying harder for them because 498 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: you don't approve of you. 499 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, massively, It's like it's so hard to like not 500 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: absorb the things that like society are giving you all 501 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: the time. 502 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: Lo, first time anyone's ever said that. 503 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: Write that down, write down, that's preach, preach. 504 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: Okay, So what was it like going out of someone 505 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: who's a been more like spiritual holistic? Like, did you 506 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: feel judged? Did you feel appreciated? How do you feel? 507 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: I found parts of it interesting, definitely, But I did 508 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: not love that the list. I've completely forgotten that interaction 509 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: at the end where I felt like completely condescended. Like 510 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: I have such an aversion to people that think that 511 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: they're better than you because they like go to Bali 512 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: and like do some fucking weird mating dance. 513 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like for those glow sticks and. 514 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: Then throw the glow sticks in the ocean and kill 515 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: the dolphins. 516 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: And they're like they're wrapped round turtle's throats. 517 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, those glos think about all the turtles that you're 518 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: killing with those snapped glow sticks that you've snapped for 519 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 3: your little beach party sex. 520 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: Clisspe next time on twenty eight dates later. Why are 521 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: you misleading so many people into thinking you're going to 522 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: be in a relationship with them? 523 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 5: Okay, great, Sorry, I do think we're sending We're actually 524 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 5: saying they came for goods because you're going on twenty 525 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 5: eight dates to find the one around me. 526 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm a savage, can it? 527 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Twenty eight dates Later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio. 528 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The series 529 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: is presented by me Grace Campbell with help from Ros 530 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Pursal and Dan White. The producer is Agree Way. The 531 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: executive producer is Claire Broughton. Our editors are mythillye Raw 532 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: and Max O'Brien. Production management from Cherie Houston and Charlotte Wall. 533 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: Willard Foxton is our creative director of Development.