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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 5: Our next guest is a guy who got a I
Speaker 5: got a serious question acts and we'll get into that later.
Speaker 5: But more importantly, three time NBA champion as a player,
Speaker 5: NBA champion as a coach said my congratulations.
Speaker 4: Uh, Sam, I am the man. Oh gee, Sam can
Speaker 4: s thank you. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. Man, absolutely man, this is an
Speaker 5: honor for me to have you on here. You know
Speaker 5: I have the utmost respect for you. I try to
Speaker 5: always make sure I show that respect and show that
Speaker 5: love when I see you, and that will never change.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate you for the love that you've shown
Speaker 5: me since the time that I met you.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's such your first ssembleague game. Y'all beat me.
Speaker 6: Damn monking the hoop. But he can't shoot, I said,
Speaker 6: he can hoop. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: As you can hoop.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely. But take me to the beginning of the journey.
Speaker 5: Obviously you grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, But take me
Speaker 5: to the to the beginning of the journey. As an
Speaker 5: NBA player, You get drafted to a team with Hakeem Olajuwan.
Speaker 5: What was that experience like going on as a by
Speaker 5: the way, as a point guard, then going to play
Speaker 5: with the dream What was that experience like coming right
Speaker 5: out of college and then going and play with the
Speaker 5: Houston Rockets.
Speaker 6: It was so no, it was so ironic, man that
Speaker 6: you watched them for so many years. Now you his teammate,
Speaker 6: and I remember the first day of training camps. I
Speaker 6: didn't see Dreaming all summer. You know, back to in
Speaker 6: the nineties, you know, guys used training camp to get
Speaker 6: in shape. Training camp was a whole month, so you
Speaker 6: had a whole time to get in shape.
Speaker 1: So I've never.
Speaker 6: Seen came large around the whole summer. So when training camp,
Speaker 6: the first day of training camp, he was out of shape.
Speaker 6: He was out of shape. And when preseason came, man,
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, like, man, he ain't that good.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, like, he ain't that good?
Speaker 6: Not knowing that the vettermans juice training camp, get their
Speaker 6: body going and get their mind together. So our first
Speaker 6: couple of prets in games, we was terrible. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean he had like five points, like five rebounds, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, like, this team won fifty four games
Speaker 6: last year. You know, I know we ain't this bad.
Speaker 6: And I understand it's preseason basketball. But I really don't
Speaker 6: understand the preseason basketball because in college we had an
Speaker 6: exhibition game.
Speaker 1: You go hard, you go hard, you know, go hard.
Speaker 6: The head coach has something for you later on, absolutely so,
Speaker 6: and I never understand, Like, man, I asked him.
Speaker 1: And they like, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 6: Like after the fourth game we like oh and four
Speaker 6: getting blown out by twenty points. Every preseason game blown out?
Speaker 6: I was like, what's going on? And it was so simple.
Speaker 6: It wasn't even thought process tall me said. He said,
Speaker 6: some they don't send these stats. She's to New York.
Speaker 6: And I was like, what did you talk about New
Speaker 6: York for? Like not knowing the league office is in
Speaker 6: New York, you know, not not having a clue like
Speaker 6: then understand. So I asked Kenny Samith that that's a gift.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 6: Man, says sam the popcorn ain't popping yet, that she's
Speaker 6: not real yet. So fast forward, Open the night. Now
Speaker 6: we owe in eight in preseason. We had eight preseason games.
Speaker 6: Back in the day we owe and eight our average
Speaker 6: loss was about like sixteen seventeen points. Jesus Chris and man,
Speaker 6: when the lights came on Open the night. I could
Speaker 6: not believe what I was witness. We played the Golden
Speaker 6: State Warriors. I'll never forget this man. This man like
Speaker 6: thirty eight fourteen rebound, six blocks, seven assists, three steals.
Speaker 1: He was in every category.
Speaker 6: Man, that he leading every category, block, steals, everything. And
Speaker 6: I asked him after the game, I said, dream, where
Speaker 6: was that in preseason? And took a small piece? He said,
Speaker 6: took a small piece. He said, it doesn't count. Discounts
Speaker 6: the popcorn selling right now, it's ready, It's time to go.
Speaker 1: And I run only we want eighteen to no.
Speaker 6: Now we went twenty to twenty one and oh start
Speaker 6: the season low on eight in pre season. When twenty
Speaker 6: one OH start the season, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: So that right there for you as a rookie, you
Speaker 5: see that, that fuck your mind.
Speaker 6: I'm gone. I was like this, the baddest dude in
Speaker 6: the game of basketball. Do you understand Michael Jordan has retired.
Speaker 1: Now he's gone? Yep?
Speaker 6: I said, just the baddest dude in basketball offensively and defensively,
Speaker 6: because he was that protector. One day I was I
Speaker 6: was guarding someone. I think that Jos Stockton. He beat
Speaker 6: me off to dribble and I reached in and found
Speaker 6: them and he lost his mind.
Speaker 4: Some what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Don't fail him? Look up?
Speaker 6: Looked up there and I look up in the stands
Speaker 6: up in the ceiling. It was the all time shot
Speaker 6: block leader.
Speaker 1: I'll block it. Don't fail him, trust me, I'll be there. Man.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It was a pleasure just to be his teenage because
Speaker 6: I know that if I got beat off the dribber,
Speaker 6: he's coming.
Speaker 1: He may not block it, but a're gonna make you
Speaker 1: miss absolute of the time.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So I've been doing, uh, had honor of working
Speaker 5: with Jet, Yeah, Chuck shack on amazing guys. And we
Speaker 5: had these conversations and Jet in particular, and Jet say,
Speaker 5: I'm telling you dramon Nicola Jokic has absolutely nothing on
Speaker 5: Haquem Lodge one. And I got a problem with that.
Speaker 5: I got a problem with that is I have a
Speaker 5: hard time believing that. And I know Dream was great,
Speaker 5: I get it and all of that, But to say
Speaker 5: Joker not even in the same category with Dream, It's
Speaker 5: crazy to me.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I think Joker is see Dream is the beast both ways.
Speaker 4: On the court.
Speaker 6: You know, Dream, like I said, Dream was in the
Speaker 6: top ten at every category in the NBA, steals, rebounds, scoring,
Speaker 6: So Joko I think he would score on Dream, but
Speaker 6: Dream will weigh him down because the constant pressure. You know,
Speaker 6: he's not backing Dream down under the basket, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. That's not happening. That's not happening. And
Speaker 6: on the other end of the court, Joker don't have
Speaker 6: a chance, He don't have a he don't have a chance.
Speaker 6: You know, he think that Joelen b gave him problems
Speaker 6: that I was saying, offensively, he wouldn't have a chance
Speaker 6: because Dream, how could you stop him? He had a
Speaker 6: Dream had a counter. Everything he did defensively, he had
Speaker 6: a counter. And the crazy part about it, he used
Speaker 6: to practice these things and sometimes he's bring something out
Speaker 6: that the movie he go Baseline and that we never
Speaker 6: saw that all year.
Speaker 1: He bringed that out against David Robinson in the Western
Speaker 1: Conference Final. We never saw it. He never did that
Speaker 1: the whole season. He bringed that.
Speaker 6: Thing out and then Western Conference Finals and David Robson.
Speaker 6: We was like, and it blew everybody mind, like what
Speaker 6: the fuck was that? And David Robson was the MVP.
Speaker 6: It was the MVP.
Speaker 1: That man was forty points and like fourteen b bounds,
Speaker 1: like he had like six seven block shots a game.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: He was killing.
Speaker 6: He was killing like like we still had three on
Speaker 6: one breaks and then like our numbers and we just
Speaker 6: bring it back out and wave them down. Come on,
Speaker 6: come on, get them, get him, throw it to the
Speaker 6: big fellow. He always said, keep it simple, kiss, keep
Speaker 6: it simple, keep this simple, stupid, keep his simple.
Speaker 1: Stamp, Sam, keep it simple. Sound come on, And that's
Speaker 1: how it was with man Kny. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: He was always Dream, was always our outlet in the
Speaker 6: game of basketball, and he was very demanding.
Speaker 1: He's very demanding. Now, he wasn't easy to play with,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was good. He was real good.
Speaker 4: So when you look at the all time list of centers,
Speaker 4: where does he fit on that list?
Speaker 6: You got god that I have seen. Yeah, he's right
Speaker 6: after He's right after Kareem. I haven't seen Wilt and
Speaker 6: Bill Russell. Yes, well i've seen I've seen, uh, the captain,
Speaker 6: Kareemandul Jabal, I've seen the captain play. I think he's
Speaker 6: right behind him. I think Shaq was right behind Dream.
Speaker 4: That hurts my feelings.
Speaker 5: A Shock is my all time favorite player in history,
Speaker 5: so I can't roll with you on that, but I respect,
Speaker 5: I respect.
Speaker 1: He'd be shocked in the final.
Speaker 5: Shock was young man shot. You know Shock got more
Speaker 5: rings though, Yeah, yeah, you know Shack that.
Speaker 1: Don't get check all of it.
Speaker 6: Check is everything you expect him to be, like retrapped
Speaker 6: Shack and and that young Shack was bad Shack too.
Speaker 6: Now you know when Shaq was running that court, get
Speaker 6: that thing out the boards and push that thing full court.
Speaker 1: You had to get out of his way. You're not
Speaker 1: taking a charge, can shock.
Speaker 4: Don't it?
Speaker 6: So you just let them, you know, dun't the ball
Speaker 6: and break the back Shack made a purpose of breaking
Speaker 6: every backboard back in the day. It was just amazing
Speaker 6: to see how big and ad y'all, y'all, y'all remember
Speaker 6: Shack when he was like with the Lakers and he
Speaker 6: was big and just going to cross the lane. And
Speaker 6: you know, I remember Shack when he's running the court,
Speaker 6: you know, leading the break, throwing no look past this,
Speaker 6: you know, having fun laughing out there. But when Shaq
Speaker 6: got serious, he was a he was a beast. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I have a question for you.
Speaker 5: I've wondered just since I was a child, and I
Speaker 5: know your your basketball knowledge, your encyclopedia, if you will
Speaker 5: on the NBA game goes further back than.
Speaker 4: Mine, and so I have to ask you this question.
Speaker 5: When you did the big balls Dad, for those of
Speaker 5: you that don't know, you should go check check check
Speaker 5: you too.
Speaker 4: Where did you get that? Because I remember when I
Speaker 4: watched you do it, I'm like.
Speaker 6: Yo, that's not it's crazy, this is crazy. I watched
Speaker 6: the movie Major League, Major League Too, and it was
Speaker 6: I forgot the Asian left fielder name.
Speaker 1: He caught a he jumped up.
Speaker 6: Somebody hit the home run and he jumped up on
Speaker 6: the fence and caught the ball and he just like
Speaker 6: came down with the big I like that. I'm still there.
Speaker 6: I'm stealing that. I'm stealing that. It was the old movie,
Speaker 6: this movie in the eighties. I'm still that. So I
Speaker 6: started making big shots as a young player. I said,
Speaker 6: I got something fall my first time I did it.
Speaker 6: It was like, man, what is he doing out there?
Speaker 6: I mean Bill Walton rested peace. Bill Walker shout out tall.
Speaker 6: He was doing play play with the Clippers when I
Speaker 6: did it, and he said, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 6: but the.
Speaker 1: Guy be something awfully big.
Speaker 6: So that was the biggest That's my bad, Billboter investing
Speaker 6: piece man.
Speaker 5: And so initially you start doing it and you're not
Speaker 5: getting fined by them. At what point did they didn't
Speaker 5: start finding you for doing it?
Speaker 6: Well, David starting, you know, called me into his office
Speaker 6: and he said, we got to stop that. I said,
Speaker 6: she mean, like what you mean? He was like that,
Speaker 6: we can't have our kids. You know doing that ship. Sam,
Speaker 6: you know if you need David s like I know him.
Speaker 6: Back in the day, David was he was a hard guy.
Speaker 6: He was a hard guy, was a smart guy. He
Speaker 6: was a hard guy. And he was like, we can't
Speaker 6: have that. You can't have kids making a big play
Speaker 6: doing that ship. You'd be doing it in the games.
Speaker 6: But now I know you're doing twenty five thousand. I
Speaker 6: was like, what, Well that cut me out because back
Speaker 6: in the day, the salaries doing that high like you
Speaker 6: guys getting right now til twenty five will hurt you
Speaker 6: back in the day.
Speaker 1: So I stopped.
Speaker 6: So when I got big, when I seen Kobe bryand yes,
Speaker 6: when I seen when I seen jelly Bean, do I.
Speaker 1: Say, Oh, I made it. I made it.
Speaker 6: Now I see Lebron do it? I said, really in
Speaker 6: the big time? Now you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 6: it's it's the thing that I I like, Damn, I
Speaker 6: created that while created it for the basketball part of it.
Speaker 1: But I got off a movie. Oh I got that
Speaker 1: off a movie.
Speaker 5: That's fine, man, When you did that, by the way,
Speaker 5: to get that off a movie and planning is one
Speaker 5: thing I don't think people realize sometimes though you like
Speaker 5: you can hide this planning. You get in these moments
Speaker 5: and then you'd like totally forget the plan. I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: My first game winner came against the Heat uh Bron
Speaker 5: d Wade Bosh. It was my second year in the league. No,
Speaker 5: it's my first year. Because Jared Jack was on our team.
Speaker 5: Jared Jack dropped it, dun I got the little layup,
Speaker 5: and in my mind, I was telling myself like, yo,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm about to swag on the right right into
Speaker 5: a back and forth with brin that game because he
Speaker 5: was calling me too little.
Speaker 1: I'm like too little? Are you crazy? Right?
Speaker 5: And so we going back and forth at it. Then
Speaker 5: I hit the game winning I'm like, oh, I'm about
Speaker 5: to swat man. I started running like.
Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, to how to war with doll
Speaker 4: to still get to it?
Speaker 1: Right? You gotta get to it.
Speaker 4: It's crazy to me, but I want to go towards
Speaker 4: the end of your career.
Speaker 5: Two thousand and eight, you get a chance, you play
Speaker 5: with the Boston Celtics, get a chance to win your
Speaker 5: third championship.
Speaker 4: What was it like being on that team?
Speaker 5: But also, and I want to ask about this guy
Speaker 5: in particular because I haven't had the chance to sit
Speaker 5: down and talk basketball with him before, but I pray
Speaker 5: and I hope too, because I think he's one of
Speaker 5: the best basketball minds I've ever witnessed. What was it
Speaker 5: like being later in your career and being a vet
Speaker 5: to a young guy like Rayjon Rondo and with those
Speaker 5: Boston Celtics.
Speaker 6: Oh man, my first practice I came after trade deadline
Speaker 6: and my first practice is watching the kid.
Speaker 1: It's the second year. His leadership quality.
Speaker 6: Man, his thought process of the game at basketball was unbelievable, Like,
Speaker 6: it's unbelievable. And Kevin, Paul, Ray, PJ. Brown, myself, we
Speaker 6: was hard on him. It was very hard on him
Speaker 6: because I said, man, and he was like he didn't
Speaker 6: want to hear a lot of things. But when I
Speaker 6: be personally, I talked Tom, he understood it. I said, listen, man,
Speaker 6: you have you got an opportunity that a lot of
Speaker 6: players would never have. You playing with three first ballot
Speaker 6: Hall of famers, three first ballot Hall of Fames. I say, listen, man,
Speaker 6: when they leave, you're gonna see what you miss. So
Speaker 6: right now, take the bullshit they're giving you right now,
Speaker 6: just take it.
Speaker 1: Just take it.
Speaker 6: But when they lead, You're going to realize what you lost.
Speaker 6: Fast forward. They gone to Brooklyn. He's there by himself.
Speaker 6: He called me old school. He called me old school.
Speaker 6: I mean call me over old school. He was fight
Speaker 6: old school. God damn, I said, it's different throwing the
Speaker 6: ball of Ray Allen three ball, throwing the ball of
Speaker 6: Paul three ball, throwing making a pack.
Speaker 1: Past the kid. Yet fifteen foot jump shot. That's great.
Speaker 6: Now you got I don't know who you have on
Speaker 6: his team, but he he had them kind of guys
Speaker 6: on his team. And now his Assistan numbers are going down.
Speaker 6: It's still numbers going down, and he's not winning big
Speaker 6: as he won. And think about he won fifty five games,
Speaker 6: like four straight years back then fifty five, thirty.
Speaker 1: Nine to forty.
Speaker 6: You know how to drop ball drop you know you
Speaker 6: got seventy You went sixty five, and you're like, damn,
Speaker 6: we are forty seven right.
Speaker 4: Now, forty seven.
Speaker 5: Guess what one of the years I was there was
Speaker 5: out We won fifteen games in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: And I don't care how many times how much you win.
Speaker 6: That's a mental toll right there.
Speaker 1: It's brutal.
Speaker 6: That's driving to the game. You know when you win
Speaker 6: it seven y'all want seventy plus games. You're driving to
Speaker 6: the game, you know you're gonna win. You know, music blasting.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, when you ride to the game,
Speaker 6: you might.
Speaker 1: Damn this can be hard.
Speaker 5: I ain't know this gonna be hard, but I don't
Speaker 5: want to think it.
Speaker 1: But you know, realistically, like.
Speaker 6: Man, the night they had a day off, we come
Speaker 6: off from back to back, start putting all that, and
Speaker 6: we lost the double old time fact. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. All that takes a toll on your mind mentally, man.
Speaker 6: And but back to Rondo, Man, he was here a
Speaker 6: bad boy. I think he should be a Hall of
Speaker 6: Fame with me personally agree. Man, that's my god, Oh
Speaker 6: my god. Man, Like he was tough. You know that
Speaker 6: battles him and dop had Man, it was just doc what.
Speaker 1: You're trying to coach him. He was a thorough brand.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to coach sometimes doctor thorm All
Speaker 6: the practice. I'm thirty eight, thirty nine years old at
Speaker 6: this time. I know when he got got thrown. All
Speaker 6: the practice. Now I got a practice. Now, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, I'm trying over green. You're gonna do
Speaker 6: you want to show by this bike all night? I
Speaker 6: don't want to. You know what I'm saying, Chill out.
Speaker 6: You know, one day I want to go get him.
Speaker 6: It's come on door, he come back, He come back
Speaker 6: one day, Doc Life, don't.
Speaker 1: Go get him. Let them go. I'm gonna coach Door.
Speaker 1: They going back and forth, but they had a great
Speaker 1: relationship because.
Speaker 6: Doe was a young basketball player and he's gonna be good.
Speaker 6: I told everybody he's gonna be good. He's gonna be good,
Speaker 6: but he can't shoot. That said, it don't matter. It
Speaker 6: don't matter if you can't shoot, he gonna get you
Speaker 6: twelve points and thirteen UH assists and eight rebouty. He
Speaker 6: was just down there a triple double, especially when the
Speaker 6: Big Three when they left. Yeah, he was really doing
Speaker 6: this thing. Absolutely, two time All Star when they left, yep,
Speaker 6: doing his name.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I want to switch gears a little bit, and you
Speaker 5: kind of just went into it a little bit. But
Speaker 5: see coaching career and I want to start. I want
Speaker 5: to move backwards. I want to start where you are today.
Speaker 5: As I said, not on camera, but congratulations uh NBA
Speaker 5: champion again. But I want to actually one in particular.
Speaker 5: You just want to coach. I mean, you just want
Speaker 5: a championship. Joe Missoula to head coach. You've coached with
Speaker 5: Doc Rivers Dot much older now, Joe, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: the youngest coaching the NBA. If not, what was it
Speaker 5: that you saw that you said, you know what, I
Speaker 5: feel like, that's the place for me to go because
Speaker 5: you know, you've you would never need a job on
Speaker 5: one of, if not the best assisting in the league,
Speaker 5: opportunities to go everywhere.
Speaker 4: Where with Philly.
Speaker 5: Uh have been rolling with Doc and that Doc is
Speaker 5: your guy, and then you decide to go over there
Speaker 5: ends up from championship really fast. But I think my
Speaker 5: question is what were some of the differences that you
Speaker 5: had to adjust to and being with Doc for so long,
Speaker 5: who's an older coach, establishedment around and then now you
Speaker 5: go on to a young Joe Missoula where obviously you
Speaker 5: got respect for him as the head coach, but you
Speaker 5: also have.
Speaker 4: Been around way longer. Your knowledge of the NBA game
Speaker 4: goes way deep.
Speaker 5: What was that adjustment like and some of the differences
Speaker 5: and similarities in those two It was.
Speaker 1: It was easy. Doc is an Alpha Doll.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Doc want do things the
Speaker 6: way he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna do them because he has success. But Doc also
Speaker 1: take advice.
Speaker 6: You know sometimes when I say, man, that's it, chill out,
Speaker 6: and I'm here, chill out.
Speaker 1: Just like that. They had an enough you know, you
Speaker 1: beat him up too much.
Speaker 6: But guys that I know for the fact that Doc
Speaker 6: has helped with their basketball career. Montrez Hrld best best
Speaker 6: ship ever, do lou Will absolutely best ship ever with Doc.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: DeAndre Jordan's, Blake Griffin. These guys had their best careers
Speaker 6: with Doc. Paul Perce their best career with Doc. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. When I got with Joe Miziula,
Speaker 6: Joe was so young, Joe didn't really didn't have the
Speaker 6: knowledge of how to deal with the NBA ball player,
Speaker 6: didn't have the knowledge and the.
Speaker 1: Ex and o's how to prepare his team to play.
Speaker 1: He got that. He's got that.
Speaker 6: Man, He's our locker room, our coaches locked rooms.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like no other locker room. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: We we do things a little different in Boston. You know,
Speaker 6: we did things a little different. As a coaching staff.
Speaker 6: Everyone has their opinion. Our coach sta have as an opinion,
Speaker 6: and but it's joe ultimate decision and we roll with it.
Speaker 6: We roll with it. If I don't like it, I
Speaker 6: just don't like it. But I'm not gonna say I
Speaker 6: told you so. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We wrong with it. On to your next game. People
Speaker 1: just don't know Joe, Missoula.
Speaker 6: It just don't know. That's they just don't know. Excellent coaching,
Speaker 6: great dude, great person. Man. He allows me to be me.
Speaker 6: That allows me to be me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But Joe is so much younger than me, and I
Speaker 6: just like man. My whole thing with him is enjoy
Speaker 6: this process.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it, man, it's a hell of a ride.
Speaker 6: Enjoy We work hard, we do things different, we prepare hard,
Speaker 6: and we get the most out of our ball club.
Speaker 6: He does a great job getting the most ball club.
Speaker 6: He's not a big yeller, He's just the states. Facts,
Speaker 6: face facts. Y'all want to win a championship. Let's go
Speaker 6: try to win a championship. Just what y'all said, y'all
Speaker 6: wanted to dude, Let's go win a championship. All right,
Speaker 6: but you can't be bullshitting ten games and fifteen nights.
Speaker 6: Let's win out ten. Let's try win out ten. Let's
Speaker 6: not use take the coward way up. We talk kind
Speaker 6: of tired. You know what I'm saying, Well, come on bench,
Speaker 6: y'all want to play. Everybody want to play until it's
Speaker 6: time to play. Fat you know what I'm saying. Everybody
Speaker 6: want to play. That the left man on the team.
Speaker 6: He wanted to play until it's time to play. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's your time now. And this year I got stepped up.
Speaker 6: I got stepped up. We lost, y'all, and twenty two
Speaker 6: you lost, y'all. This season, Oh yes, I came back.
Speaker 6: We're in the whole game.
Speaker 1: Y'all came back.
Speaker 4: I was kicked out that game. I watched TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all came back. Steph made some crazy shots.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: We was up.
Speaker 1: Big came back and.
Speaker 6: We can man as staff said, we had to say,
Speaker 6: we didn't mother fuck him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Next day you go to the Sacramento. We knew that
Speaker 6: they was gonna be in trouble, so I guts. We
Speaker 6: knew we gave one away. We gave a game away.
Speaker 6: We didn't give it away. Y'all took it. As Joe
Speaker 6: Banzool liked to put it, No, you don't give games away.
Speaker 1: They took it.
Speaker 6: We ain't letting Sacramento take it from us. Went down there.
Speaker 6: J T didn't play and we beat the Brakes. That's
Speaker 6: how the game of basketball goes. It's so unpredictable, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. But we put forth the effinite energy.
Speaker 1: Man. But George been great with me.
Speaker 6: He's been you know, he wants me to get ahead
Speaker 6: coach of y'all batter than anyone.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He thinks I deserve it.
Speaker 1: But you know, when the.
Speaker 6: Time comes out, be ready. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: I'm not giving up. I still love this. I love
Speaker 6: to see guys like shit. I worked with Shade when
Speaker 6: he first came to the league and Tys Maxie when
Speaker 6: the whole NBA say he can't shoot, and I was like,
Speaker 6: what the fuck are they looking at? What are they
Speaker 6: looking at? A guy with that great rotation on his
Speaker 6: shot and can't shoot. Gotta be crazy, gotta be crazy.
Speaker 6: They just need the reps game reps. NBA reps his
Speaker 6: rookie ear. We didn't give him game reps because Ben
Speaker 6: Simmons was playing All Star, All Pro Basketball. Yes he
Speaker 6: was by far, Yes he was by far. So Maxie
Speaker 6: had to wait. But while he was waiting, he ain't
Speaker 6: a lad with one of the kings. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. He's allowed on me every day every day.
Speaker 6: If you can ask me, I was on every day.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get better every day. So when it's time
Speaker 6: to come, you can ask him it's time to come,
Speaker 6: you can be ready. I told Maxi after his second year,
Speaker 6: I said, you can be a max ball player.
Speaker 1: One day. He thought I was crazy. Do you think so? Ge?
Speaker 1: I said, trust me, I see it. I told John
Speaker 1: Wall to Brandley Bell.
Speaker 6: I told Shay when I told Shae that's Jay that,
Speaker 6: he was like, come on, you call me Pop, Come on, Pop, Seriously,
Speaker 6: I say, you can be one of the baddest guys
Speaker 6: in the NBA because we haven't seen a guard like that.
Speaker 1: Searlo Littsteron was six for seven, but searl Liftson didn't
Speaker 1: score like him. That's fine.
Speaker 6: I had Sharlotfinster in his second game MVA with the Clippers,
Speaker 6: but Sean was a shay had a shade. Has the
Speaker 6: ability to score from three point line. He said, three
Speaker 6: level score as I put it, absolutely three points mid range.
Speaker 6: You know, I told him one time they said He
Speaker 6: told me, Man, they don't want to shoot the mid
Speaker 6: range shot in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I was like, if you're lell them people to take
Speaker 1: the best thing.
Speaker 6: You do and your game away from you, crazy, it's
Speaker 6: the best thing you got right now, you're fifteen foot
Speaker 6: pull up jump shot. He's six for seven shooting against
Speaker 6: a six foot one guy. All that guy can do
Speaker 6: is hope you miss. He ain't gonna affect it. And
Speaker 6: he's all pro two years run out for MVP. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, his Scott's limits for these for
Speaker 6: that guy.
Speaker 5: Man, absolutely, And I want to ask you some questions
Speaker 5: about you as a head coach. But before I asked
Speaker 5: that question, like I said, you just coach lost his
Speaker 5: Celsis to a championship. And I got a lot of
Speaker 5: love for JT. It's my young dog, it's my little brother.
Speaker 5: And I would oftentimes all years speak on JT and how.
Speaker 4: The MVP thresholder and all these things. They kind of
Speaker 4: move on him.
Speaker 1: The post move all the time.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: All the dame say, oh, you got to be winning,
Speaker 5: you gotta be winning, and then it's like, oh, you
Speaker 5: won too much, Like so you ain't want championship, but
Speaker 5: you've won too much, so you gotta do something else now,
Speaker 5: and like the goalpost just continues to move on him.
Speaker 5: And I've spoken about that, uh, but this year he
Speaker 5: was different. It was almost as if he didn't give
Speaker 5: a damn about winning MVP or even if they said
Speaker 5: his name in MVP conversation, but he still played with
Speaker 5: that same tenacity as if he wanted to wants to
Speaker 5: be an MVP. It's that same consistency, but there was
Speaker 5: a calmness in his game.
Speaker 4: That when they're double team in him.
Speaker 5: In the NBA Finals, he got eleven assists in the
Speaker 5: first home right, you know, making the play like literally
Speaker 5: getting to the rim or getting to the paint and
Speaker 5: realized the guy and already stepped up. Don't even look
Speaker 5: at the rim. I'm making the next play. And it
Speaker 5: was so beautiful to watch. Can you talk to me
Speaker 5: what that was like? Up close and personal and watching
Speaker 5: him this year and kind of how he approached this year,
Speaker 5: which ultimately led to him winning his first championship.
Speaker 6: He don't get the credit that I think he's to
Speaker 6: get because he sacrificed so much. You have thirty points
Speaker 6: last year, Yes, he did thirty points, and gods who
Speaker 6: have his thirty points want to come back. That next
Speaker 6: year averaged thirty one points. But for us to win
Speaker 6: a championship, we added Pazingis Drew Holliday, so we added
Speaker 6: better offensive players on our ball club. He sacrificed so much.
Speaker 1: He gave.
Speaker 6: A five points, which is a lot of points. That's
Speaker 6: a lot of points. Gave it up, that's eight shots.
Speaker 6: Gave it up for the betterment for our ball club.
Speaker 6: We didn't need him to score thirty points some knights.
Speaker 6: We need him to score forty points. Yeah, some nights,
Speaker 6: but how our team is made up, we don't need
Speaker 6: no one to score forty points. If that night happens,
Speaker 6: you scored forty points, we're gonna ride it. The thing
Speaker 6: that people don't unders sing about Jason Tatum, he wants
Speaker 6: to win. He's not a raw rob guy. He's not
Speaker 6: a guy who shows a lot of emotions. But when
Speaker 6: he shows emotions.
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 6: I didn't know him that much got to Boston. I
Speaker 6: started working with him. He's been great to me, great
Speaker 6: to Joe. He's our leader. He's the guy who Game
Speaker 6: two in the finals, he just picked Dallas apart and
Speaker 6: Drew Holliday was out leading score You know, Madge might
Speaker 6: have beat on that. Say Drew Holliday gonna be leading
Speaker 6: scoring games. How the money they made.
Speaker 1: On that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But he did. He did so much for our ball club,
Speaker 6: free balance ball. You got to be bound more, you
Speaker 6: have to be more and conscious effort.
Speaker 1: He did it. Yep.
Speaker 6: You gotta stop selling them for three Sometimes you got
Speaker 6: so much left in this game. His game. He's so young,
Speaker 6: he's tent six. This game is still growing. He's still growing.
Speaker 6: He need thirty gad mm hm. And he's so good
Speaker 6: with his teammates that he's so good with his teammates.
Speaker 1: Man this year, you know. And Pasenkas, like.
Speaker 6: I said today, j J T may be our know
Speaker 6: one option, JB may be number two or one A,
Speaker 6: one B, whatever you want to put it. But we
Speaker 6: got the best third option in the NBA. Pacenkas the
Speaker 6: best third option. You know what I'm saying. He gets
Speaker 6: you can't play a small guy on him because he's
Speaker 6: gonna kill a smart individual. You put a big on
Speaker 6: in the drop of COVERG, he's gonna shoot the lights
Speaker 6: off the ball. You know what I'm saying, He's gonna
Speaker 6: protect the remb So I make up with. Our team
Speaker 6: was so good and we played hard. Yeah, that's Joe
Speaker 6: Mazula practice with music on loud music. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. You know young boys, you know that young
Speaker 6: boy in music.
Speaker 1: This year. I told Joe, We're gonna have some O
Speaker 1: G music. You know what I'm saying. One day of practice,
Speaker 1: one day. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: One day.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. One day.
Speaker 6: It may not happen, but I'm try right.
Speaker 1: But it was a joy.
Speaker 6: But like like you said, they moved a goal post
Speaker 6: on this guy so so much.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: It's but when he say he don't care, he really don't.
Speaker 6: He just want to win. You see what y'all did.
Speaker 6: He wants that feeling. It wants to be three times
Speaker 6: four time NBA champion. And I think we have the
Speaker 6: team that we stay healthless everything. We both know that
Speaker 6: we got opportunity to do that. We only talk about
Speaker 6: the repeat. We just want to enjoy the process. It's
Speaker 6: the process.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Y'all wanted seventy two games up? Man?
Speaker 1: Now what now what? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: We just want to enjoy the process of this whole
Speaker 6: situation and him being who is man like in Olympics
Speaker 6: right now. Ah, they're gonna win. Hopefully they win. Go
Speaker 6: they better win.
Speaker 1: Go Ship. You know, like you said, he had a
Speaker 1: great year.
Speaker 6: Han't a great yet, man, and that whole team deserves
Speaker 6: It's not It's not all about Jason Table. He'll tell
Speaker 6: you this is a team. We are a team, a
Speaker 6: good basketball team.
Speaker 5: I want to talk more about before we get out
Speaker 5: of here, not only your journey through coaching, but your
Speaker 5: journey through what has been multiple times to me as
Speaker 5: it seems your name coming up in these head coach searchers,
Speaker 5: because like I said, I don't think you can get
Speaker 5: an argument out of anybody, if many people, if anybody,
Speaker 5: of where you stand as assistant coaches in the NBA,
Speaker 5: who you are, who you are as a player. Your
Speaker 5: resume speaks for itself. And yet to me these are
Speaker 5: my words, not yours, But to me, I think it's
Speaker 5: bullshit that.
Speaker 4: Your name just just keep coming up because.
Speaker 5: These guys don't be as proven as you as players
Speaker 5: or coaches, not as respected, but for some reason, still
Speaker 5: not a head coach. What's it been like on these journeys,
Speaker 5: on in these interviews, meeting with these owners, meeting with
Speaker 5: these general managers, and then ultimately falling short every time
Speaker 5: it comes.
Speaker 6: Run it's crazy, man like, Hmmm, it's been Uh, it's
Speaker 6: a hard question to answer. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I have the experience, Uh, I know what buttons to
Speaker 6: push get the best out of players?
Speaker 1: Can I be hard on plus?
Speaker 6: Absolutely ask the guys that I have coached, cannot be
Speaker 6: hard on them. But being hard on them don't mean
Speaker 6: you get the best production out of don't mean you
Speaker 6: get the best production out of You got to know
Speaker 6: someone off the court to really understand them. I mean,
Speaker 6: I was watching the Last Dance and I've seen Phil
Speaker 6: Jackson and Dennis Robin. They just bobbing, and Dennis say,
Speaker 6: he took the time to know who I am off
Speaker 6: this court. He took the time to find out who
Speaker 6: I am off the court. I heard Michael Jordan say
Speaker 6: about Phil took the time to find out who I
Speaker 6: am off this court.
Speaker 1: It's on the court.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be who I am to find out who
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 1: So Phil knew the right buttons to push with.
Speaker 6: Dennis Robin, who was back then, was was a wild boy,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But when he came to work,
Speaker 6: he came to work, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 6: for ast me not getting a head coaching job, I'm
Speaker 6: not giving up.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I loved I loved it. Shit, I love the game
Speaker 6: of basketball. You can ask anybody in Boston. When I
Speaker 6: come to work, I never have a bad day, even
Speaker 6: though I might have a bad moment before come into
Speaker 6: the office.
Speaker 1: No, we all have families, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I might have a bad moment, but I don't bring
Speaker 6: my bad moments to that basketball court my players because
Speaker 6: I know my plans might have a bad day.
Speaker 1: So if I'm miserable, not miserable.
Speaker 6: If I'm not in a right state of mind, and
Speaker 6: they're not the right state of mind, were not getting
Speaker 6: nothing to accomplished. So I always have a great attitude
Speaker 6: around the facility. I go around every day. I speak
Speaker 6: to everybody. With our traveling party, the trainers, the equipment manager.
Speaker 6: I speak to everybody. You know what's up, y'all. You
Speaker 6: got anybody that staff, because I understand that means something.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Because I'm coming to a new staff and they don't
Speaker 6: they believe it, didn't know, they don't know who I am.
Speaker 6: You know they heard and all say, oh, man, that's
Speaker 6: Sam's a great dude. I know it's the game of basketball.
Speaker 6: I know how to push and get the best out
Speaker 6: of players.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I'm just not I'm not a yes me man, and
Speaker 6: that may that may hurt me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I'm not a guy who I'm want to put this.
Speaker 6: I'm a company man. But I'm gonna do things the
Speaker 6: way I think it should be done.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not gonna you earn playing time. You
Speaker 6: don't just get playing time. I think not somebody that's
Speaker 6: afraid of that aspect of me. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Not giving up coaching this dad. I love it too much.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I got the respect of the players, and I know
Speaker 6: how to get the best out of players.
Speaker 4: Before we go.
Speaker 5: When when when you look at your journey, I truly
Speaker 5: in my heart believe that you will be a head coach, Yes, Lee,
Speaker 5: But when you look at your journey, and as you know,
Speaker 5: the drastic difference is where teams can lie. A team
Speaker 5: can be super young with no experience all Detroit Pistons,
Speaker 5: and you could have a team that's getting older with
Speaker 5: a ton of experience all Los Angeles Lakers go toen
Speaker 5: State Warriors. When you look at your journey, all that
Speaker 5: you've gone through, if you could pick, and you said,
Speaker 5: I'd rather start with one of these teams that don't
Speaker 5: know much and help those guys get to the top.
Speaker 5: Or I'd rather take one of these teams that could
Speaker 5: be right on the cusps.
Speaker 4: On either side of the hill. Because yeah, in.
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty two, they said we were on a cusp,
Speaker 5: they said we were on the wrong side of the hill.
Speaker 5: We won a championship right so on the customers on
Speaker 5: the cush Or would you prefer a team like that.
Speaker 4: To where you can help push them to that championship
Speaker 4: right away?
Speaker 1: They don't matter, they don't matter.
Speaker 6: I've been I coached the Washington Wizards my first my
Speaker 6: first five years in coaching.
Speaker 1: We won my first year I think.
Speaker 6: Eighteen games, next year twenty games, third year twenty four games,
Speaker 6: and my fifth year that we won forty seven games
Speaker 6: and made it to playoff, one of the first founds.
Speaker 6: So I've been through every aspect of coaching. I've seen
Speaker 6: the good. I've seen the bad. I seen the real bad.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And as a coach it humbled me. I just screw
Speaker 6: as an individual I seen. I'll tell your story. John
Speaker 6: Wall his rookie year, he lost eight games from high
Speaker 6: school to college two years. You came up fer one day.
Speaker 6: I enough, we was in Cleveland. We five like twenty
Speaker 6: five bad. Yeah, he knocked on my door, said it's
Speaker 6: going up. John Wall in tears, in tears, trying. He
Speaker 6: lost twenty five games. It ain't desembled yet. He knows
Speaker 6: twenty five games. It ain't dissembled yet. He asked me, say, O,
Speaker 6: g is it gonna get any better? And you, as
Speaker 6: any guys I ever coach, I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't a lied
Speaker 6: to you, I said, looked him in the face. I
Speaker 6: come on, I'm gonna say no, I guess what, Jada,
Speaker 6: I throw my towel, went back, throw with your face.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: I say, it's gonna be bad next year too. But
Speaker 6: we gotta grow. You gotta keep working. You gotta keep working.
Speaker 6: If you don't, if you stop working with this, it's
Speaker 6: gonna get real, real bad. You don't want to pick
Speaker 6: in the draft now, you never want pick in the draft.
Speaker 6: And the city of DC thinks that you're going to
Speaker 6: bring a talent to this city, but the owners did.
Speaker 6: I didn't think that. I didn't think that. I knew
Speaker 6: that he needed more pieces. And I'm telling you the
Speaker 6: one that got away from us this Clay Thompson. I
Speaker 6: wanted them to draft play Thomps. I wanted the Wizards
Speaker 6: draft Play Thomps. They had the trouble, you know, his
Speaker 6: background with that with theuied shit in college.
Speaker 4: And smoked a joint. Man, give it a break.
Speaker 1: But John needed a guy who's a flat out shooter. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 6: When I seen Clay Thompson shoot the basketball, I'm in
Speaker 6: my the lake Wade Flip, I said.
Speaker 1: Flip, that's the guy.
Speaker 6: That's what we need him right there, that's what John
Speaker 6: Wall needs.
Speaker 1: We drafted y'all. Vestley. M hmm, you know you know that.
Speaker 6: But Neil, I think Bestly was a decent, bolved player.
Speaker 6: He snow Klay Thompson, John Walney is shooting, so I
Speaker 6: saw that's the best thing about I know what a
Speaker 6: team needs. I've been abound thirty two years. Four champion
Speaker 6: I want four championships, been but six conference seven conference finals.
Speaker 6: So I know what winning looks like.
Speaker 1: But I also know what losing look like. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: know what loser looked like.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get the person that a team personnelity who
Speaker 6: This ain't gonna be good. This is not gonna be good.
Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna stop teaching. It's all about teaching
Speaker 6: any player. I would work with this man. Oh, you
Speaker 6: know what the hell he's talking about. All I'm looking
Speaker 6: for is a chance to show the world that I
Speaker 6: can coach you in ball club. That's all I respect, simple,
Speaker 6: I respect the man. I appreciate you, Maks.
Speaker 5: Looking forward to this, chopping it up with you. You
Speaker 5: always kind, I said, you always kept it real with me.
Speaker 5: I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 1: Thanks for that jersey jersey, Yes.
Speaker 5: Sir, I forgot as soon as we got I gotta
Speaker 5: get it to him, I gotta get it, got it,
Speaker 5: I got it, sir, and I appreciate you. And by
Speaker 5: the way, good luck and for for whatever it's worth,
Speaker 5: you're fucking head coach in my book.
Speaker 4: I know it's gonna happen for you.
Speaker 1: Keep going, they can't.
Speaker 4: Why stop now?
Speaker 1: It's too much fun. You guys do your thing. It's
Speaker 1: too much fun.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. That's a rite from resort world here in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Peace.
Speaker 6: The volume