WEBVTT - Bonus: The Crypto Story by Matt Levine - Part 5

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Crypto, a daily Bloomberg I Heard podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Stacy Marie Ishmael, Managing editor of Crypto for

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg News. Let me cut to the chase. Matt Levine,

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<v Speaker 1>my colleague on the Bloomberg Opinion side of the house,

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<v Speaker 1>is perhaps the greatest finance blogger ever to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and in what is both a flex and a service,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just written tens of thousands of words on the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of crypto for a special issue of Bloomberg Business Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's gone deep into the blockchain to break down its origins,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible, futures, and the current state of a technology

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<v Speaker 1>that's showing up everywhere in industries ranging from finance to

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<v Speaker 1>shipping too, of course video games. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be bringing his exploration to you in audio form thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the talents of Bloomberg editor and professional voice actor

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Ledoff. You'll get weekly chapters of the special Crypto

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<v Speaker 1>issue of Bloomberg Business Week. Welcome to the fifth chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of the special audio edition of the Bloomberg Business Week

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<v Speaker 1>Crypto issue, written by Matt Levine and narrated by Mark Ledoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Chapter needs to catch up you can find previous

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<v Speaker 1>episodes right here in the Bloomberg Crypto Podcast feed Part three.

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<v Speaker 1>The crypto financial system. Let's step back a bit and

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<v Speaker 1>abstract from what we've discussed so far. Crypto is one

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<v Speaker 1>a set of tokens which are worth fluctuating amounts of money.

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<v Speaker 1>We can say that these tokens are financial assets, like

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<v Speaker 1>stocks and bonds. Two. A novel set of way is

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<v Speaker 1>to create new tokens and distribute them and try to

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<v Speaker 1>make them worth money. Three a novel way of holding

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<v Speaker 1>financial assets. Instead of the databases that people use to

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<v Speaker 1>hold stocks and bonds, you can own your own crypto

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<v Speaker 1>on the blockchain. Four A novel way to write contracts

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<v Speaker 1>and computer programs computer programs that are contracts and contracts

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<v Speaker 1>that are computer programs. If you read only that description,

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<v Speaker 1>you might object, Yes, fine, but what is crypto for?

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<v Speaker 1>What do these tokens do? Why are they worth money?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing in that description answers those objections. I suppose the

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<v Speaker 1>last one does in a sense. Crypto tokens are for

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<v Speaker 1>building smart contracts, for trading crypto tokens. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a very good answer because it's entirely self referential. Yes, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but why are you trading the tokens in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might have another complaint. Classically, a financial asset

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<v Speaker 1>means a contractual claim on the cash flows of some

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<v Speaker 1>person or entity. A share of stock represents a claim

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<v Speaker 1>on the profits of a company. A bond represents a

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<v Speaker 1>claim on repayment from a company or government, etcetera. My

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<v Speaker 1>financial asset represents a liability or equity issuance of somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Each financial asset has both an owner and an obliger.

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<v Speaker 1>Some crypto, I would argue, looks a lot like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an equity claim on the value of some cryptoe business.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of crypto is consciously not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is digital gold. It's specifically not a financial asset.

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<v Speaker 1>Owning a bitcoin doesn't represent a claim on anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>A bitcoin exists as an independent thing that you can own,

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<v Speaker 1>not a contractual relationship between parties, like stock or a bond.

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<v Speaker 1>In the text, I use financial asset in the extremely

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<v Speaker 1>loose sense of like a thing with a fluctuating price

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<v Speaker 1>that you can see on your computer screen, and that

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<v Speaker 1>hedge funds can trade. But cryptocurrencies aren't technically financial assets,

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<v Speaker 1>or not always anyway, But for now I want to

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<v Speaker 1>set such objections to the side. If you're a certain

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<v Speaker 1>sort of financial person, a financial engineer, an arbitragere, a

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<v Speaker 1>market structure enthusiast, a builder of high frequency trading systems,

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<v Speaker 1>this abstract set of facts is incredibly, incredibly beautiful. You

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<v Speaker 1>wake up one day and there's just a whole other

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<v Speaker 1>financial system. It's full of smart people building interesting things,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's full of idiots making terrible mistakes. People have

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<v Speaker 1>built brilliant new ways to make financial bets that you

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<v Speaker 1>can use, and they've built insane new ways to make

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<v Speaker 1>financial bets that you can exploit. How can you not

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<v Speaker 1>want to join in? It's so interesting, so intellectually appealing,

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<v Speaker 1>such a blank canvas for all of your aesthetic views

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<v Speaker 1>about how markets should work. Also, so many idiots are

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<v Speaker 1>getting rich. Why shouldn't you? There are other appealing properties

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<v Speaker 1>when you compare this system to traditional finance. The cryptosystem

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<v Speaker 1>is philosophically one of permissionless innovation. The workings of the

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<v Speaker 1>major blockchains are public and open source. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to build a derivatives exchange, or margin lending protocol or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever in ethereum, you just do it. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to set up a meeting with vitallic Bouteran to get

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<v Speaker 1>his approval. You don't need to negotiate access and fees

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<v Speaker 1>with the Ethereum Corp. There is no Ethereum Corp. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can try anything and see if it works. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>a smart young person coming from traditional finance, this feels liberating.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're used to spending months negotiating credit agreements with

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<v Speaker 1>prime brokers and setting up direct access to trade on

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<v Speaker 1>a stock exchange, the idea that you can just do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in crypto with no preliminaries is amazing. Obviously, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit alarming as well. Some of those long, slow

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<v Speaker 1>processes in traditional finance are there to prevent money laundering

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<v Speaker 1>or fraud or ill considered risk taking, but empirically a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them aren't really preventing any of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>and aren't doing so in an optimal way. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them are just how it's always been done. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>in crypto is how it's always been done. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>too new, and so people invented a financial system for crypto.

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<v Speaker 1>It runs alongside the traditional financial system, though they touch

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<v Speaker 1>at many points. In some ways, it looks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like a copy of the traditional financial system. In other ways,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks totally different. In some ways, it's a streamlined

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<v Speaker 1>and modernized and innovative evolution of the traditional system. In

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<v Speaker 1>other ways, it's a chaotic and stupid devolution of the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional system, a version of traditional finance traad FI, as

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<v Speaker 1>crypto people call it, that unlearned important historic lessons about

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<v Speaker 1>fraud and leverage and risk and regulation. It's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about it. A your keys, your coins, your

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive in a garbage one holding crypto. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing to say about the crypto financial system is

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<v Speaker 1>that the traditional financial system is deeply intermediated, and the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto system is not. If you have money, your bank

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<v Speaker 1>tracks your money for you. If you have stock, your

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<v Speaker 1>broker tracks your stock for you, et cetera. One dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>simple thing that this means, if you have money in

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<v Speaker 1>the bank, your bank has to give it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you forget the pin code for your A T

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<v Speaker 1>M card, or if you forget the password for your

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<v Speaker 1>online banking, you'll have a hard time taking out money,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will be inconvenient for you. But the bank

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<v Speaker 1>owes you the money. They can't just be like, ah ha,

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<v Speaker 1>got you the money. Is ours. Now there's some process

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<v Speaker 1>by which you can go into the bank and prove

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<v Speaker 1>that you are who you say you are, and they're like, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>will reset your password. It's test one, two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget this time. Crypto doesn't necessarily work like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Owning bitcoin means one having a public bitcoin address with

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<v Speaker 1>some bitcoin in it, and to possessing the private key

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<v Speaker 1>to that address. If you have the public address private

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<v Speaker 1>key pair, then you own the bitcoin. You can transfer

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<v Speaker 1>them to someone else on the blockchain. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have that pair, then you can't. If you lose your

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<v Speaker 1>private key or lose track of your public address, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no one to recover your password for you or give

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<v Speaker 1>you back your bitcoin. They're just gone. There are ways to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not lose your keys. Mainly, people use software wallets,

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<v Speaker 1>which generate and keep track of their addresses and private

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<v Speaker 1>keys and allow them to sign transactions and send and

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<v Speaker 1>receive crypto online. The wallets maybe desktop or phone apps,

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<v Speaker 1>or extensions on a browser. Most modern wallets require you

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<v Speaker 1>to keep track not of private keys, but rather a

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<v Speaker 1>seed phase of typically twelve random looking words maybe army,

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<v Speaker 1>truth speak, average and so on. The phrase can be

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<v Speaker 1>used as a seed to generate lots of public private

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<v Speaker 1>key pairs, so the wallet can create lots of different

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<v Speaker 1>addresses that can all be recovered from a single seed phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>People often speak of wallets holding crypto, but really what

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<v Speaker 1>they have are these keys for various addresses. The crypto

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<v Speaker 1>is only ever on the blockchain. Then you write the

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<v Speaker 1>seed phrase down on a piece of paper, which is

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<v Speaker 1>easier to write than a long random number. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is a developing technology, and there's a long history of

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<v Speaker 1>people losing forgetting or throwing away their private keys or

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<v Speaker 1>seed phrases. A guy in Wales named James Howell's periodically

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<v Speaker 1>pops up in the news because he threw away a

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive with the private key for eight thousand bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pretty sure he knows the garbage dump that has

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<v Speaker 1>his hard drive, and for years he's been waging a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign to dig up the dump and sift through the garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>If he finds the hard drive, and if it still works,

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<v Speaker 1>then he'll have bitcoin worth about a hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars which he can use to pay all the

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<v Speaker 1>garbage diggers. In one sense, it would be much much

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<v Speaker 1>better to have a financial system in which the bank

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<v Speaker 1>could reset his password and give him back the eight

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<v Speaker 1>thousand bitcoin instead of digging up a garbage dump. In

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<v Speaker 1>another sense, this is an extremely funny financial system, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a charm to that two not holding crypto. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're a portfolio manager at an institutional investor and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy a bitcoin, and you go to your

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<v Speaker 1>compliance and operations people and say, I want to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a bitcoin, and I will write our private keys down

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<v Speaker 1>on a post it that I will keep next to

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<v Speaker 1>my computer, they will say no. If you propose better

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<v Speaker 1>security measures, they might still say no, this stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>too new, too scary. If you say, Mega Bank Custody

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<v Speaker 1>Services will hold our bitcoin for us, and we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have a book entry on their ledger saying we have bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>then compliance might be a bit more comfortable. But that

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<v Speaker 1>requires a bank to offer that service. But what if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to your compliance and say, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to enter into a bet with a hedge fund on

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<v Speaker 1>the price of bitcoin. For every dollar the bitcoin goes up,

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<v Speaker 1>the hedge fund will pay us five dollars. For every

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<v Speaker 1>dollar that it goes down, we'll pay them five dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you don't have to own crypto at all all

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<v Speaker 1>you have is an over the counter derivative with a

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<v Speaker 1>hedge fund. Compliance knows what that is. That's an understandable thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no weird custody issues there because there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to keep custody of. There are no weird coins to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about, just a contract with a hedge fund to

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<v Speaker 1>pay you money. You can write contracts on the price

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<v Speaker 1>of corn, on interest rates, and on hurricane damage. So

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<v Speaker 1>why not bitcoin. You do due diligence on the hedge fund,

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<v Speaker 1>You get comfortable with the credit and collateral terms, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you sign the contract and then economically you own

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<v Speaker 1>some bitcoin. Your investment is up when bitcoin goes up

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<v Speaker 1>and down when bitcoin goes down, without the worries of

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<v Speaker 1>really owning bitcoin, no keys to lose. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>traditional finance there's a big business offering those instruments. CME

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<v Speaker 1>Group Inc. Offers Bitcoin futures, which are basically the bet

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<v Speaker 1>that I outlined above. You pay me five dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>every dollar the bitcoin goes up, and I pay you

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars for every dollar it goes down. It's a trusted, centralized,

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<v Speaker 1>traditional finance way to bet on the price movements of bitcoin. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone can buy futures, which require a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money and aren't offered by some retail brokerages. In the

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<v Speaker 1>US financial system, pretty much the easiest thing to invest

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<v Speaker 1>in is stocks, so wrapping bitcoin in a stock would

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<v Speaker 1>increase its appeal. The easiest way to do this would

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<v Speaker 1>be a cash bitcoin exchange traded fund, a pot of

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<v Speaker 1>money that trades like a stock on a stock exchange

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<v Speaker 1>and invests the money in bitcoin. People keep trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do this, but the US Securities and Exchange Commission remained

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical and hasn't approved cash bitcoin ETFs, though they exist

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<v Speaker 1>in some other countries. The US has however, approved bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>futures e t f s, which invest in bitcoin through

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<v Speaker 1>futures contracts. Two layers of abstraction. A bitcoin wrapped in

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<v Speaker 1>a futures contract, wrapped in a stock, and delivered to

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<v Speaker 1>your brokerage account b C five one fiat on ramps. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, one way to own a bitcoin is to

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<v Speaker 1>write your private key on a post it note. But

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<v Speaker 1>where did you get that bitcoin? In the early days

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<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin, a reasonably plausible answer would be I mind it.

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<v Speaker 1>Every bitcoin ever created has come from mining, and early

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin was in part a hobbyist mining operation. In modern crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to get very far just by mining

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<v Speaker 1>crypt to on your home computer. The main way people

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<v Speaker 1>in most of the world get into crypto is that

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<v Speaker 1>they exchange dollars or euros, pounds, you on, etcetera. What

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<v Speaker 1>crypto people call fiat for crypto and how they do

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<v Speaker 1>that is a tricky question. One simple way is for

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<v Speaker 1>you to find someone with crypto and say, hey, can

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<v Speaker 1>I buy some of your crypto? They say sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>you arrange a deal. In researching this article, I set

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<v Speaker 1>up an ethereum wallet and texted a friend to ask

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<v Speaker 1>if he had any Ether I could buy. He replied sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said send me twenty dollars worth and gave

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<v Speaker 1>him my public address. He sent me twenty dollars of ether,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he texted me to say done. Then mom

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<v Speaker 1>me twenty dollars. I did, and our transaction was complete.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent me the ether before I sent him the dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>so he took some credit risk, and in fact I

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<v Speaker 1>was away from my phone when he sent it, so

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up taking my credit risk for several hours.

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<v Speaker 1>When I did get his text, I briefly considered that

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very funny if as part of my

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<v Speaker 1>research for this article, I stole twenty dollars of either

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<v Speaker 1>from him, but that seemed mean. Just so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg's Code of Journalistic Ethics forbids journalists who write about crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>including me, from owning more than a nominal amount of

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<v Speaker 1>crypto for research purposes. This rule itself is arguably biasing.

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<v Speaker 1>It forbids crypto enthusiasts from writing about crypto, but never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>In researching this article, I bought twenty dollars of ether

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<v Speaker 1>from a friend by Venmo and a hundred dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>ether from coin Base. This also led to coin Base

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<v Speaker 1>giving me like five dollars of free bitcoin as a

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<v Speaker 1>new account bonus. In seeking permission to do this, I

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<v Speaker 1>told my boss is that one I planned to lose

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<v Speaker 1>all my money, but two, if I accidentally made any profit,

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<v Speaker 1>I would donate it. I did spend like eight dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of ether on the Matthew Levine dot et h domain.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not coin to lie. This was fun to do

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<v Speaker 1>and fun to write about. It felt sillier and more

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<v Speaker 1>exciting than my automatic monthly Vanguard investments, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to run a financial system. Incidentally, the

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<v Speaker 1>day after I did that trade, I met with the

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<v Speaker 1>team behind a decentralized finance protocol and was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you quickly turn dollars into ether in New York?

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<v Speaker 1>And they had no great answers and we're like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>working on it, and I was like, well, I texted

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<v Speaker 1>a friend for ether and then then mode him the money,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, yeah, that's probably what we would do.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, if you get a text asking you to

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<v Speaker 1>send crypto to a string of letters and numbers, you

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<v Speaker 1>should throw your phone into the ocean instead. The main

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<v Speaker 1>way that normal people by crypto is through crypto exchanges,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically centralized crypto exchanges. Crypto exchanges are companies coin based.

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<v Speaker 1>Gemini Finance, f t X, Kraken and bitfin X are

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<v Speaker 1>some big ones that accept regular money for crypto. You

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<v Speaker 1>wire an exchange a hundred dollars and it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars worth of bitcoin, perhaps minus a fee.

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<v Speaker 1>In the olden days, the stereotype was that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of crypto exchanges were run by criminals or incompetent teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>or incompetent teenage criminals. The standard crypto exchange transaction was

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<v Speaker 1>one you exchange your dollars for bitcoin to buy heroin,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to the exchange got hacked and lost your

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin before you could even buy the heroin. Modern crypto

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<v Speaker 1>exchanges are less like that. For one thing, they're more

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<v Speaker 1>careful and technically adept, so they're less likely to lose

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<v Speaker 1>your bitcoin. For another thing, though they're big companies, regulators

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<v Speaker 1>are aware of them, and they try to be good

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<v Speaker 1>corporate citizens In their role as on ramps and off

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<v Speaker 1>ramps between traditional currencies and crypto. They do the same

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of anti money laundering and know your customer checks

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<v Speaker 1>that traditional banks and brokerages do. If you show up

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<v Speaker 1>at coin base, a US public company, with a sack

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<v Speaker 1>of dollar bills that you got from dealing heroin and

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<v Speaker 1>try to convert them into bitcoin, coin Base will turn

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<v Speaker 1>you away and probably report you to the police. The

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<v Speaker 1>centralized exchanges are very much part of the regulated financial

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<v Speaker 1>system these days. The days of crypto being a zone

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<v Speaker 1>of utter lawlessness are mostly gone. This is a series

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<v Speaker 1>of trade offs. Roughly speaking, the crypto exchanges of the

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<v Speaker 1>olden days let you trade dollars for bitcoin without asking

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<v Speaker 1>any questions, but they might steal your bitcoin. When the

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<v Speaker 1>exchanges were unregulated and crime positive, the odds of them

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<v Speaker 1>doing crime to you or having crime done to them

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty high. The modern crypto exchanges ask a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions that make it difficult for you to move

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<v Speaker 1>tons of money in secret, but they probably won't steal

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<v Speaker 1>your bitcoin. Two custodians. So you've opened an account at

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<v Speaker 1>an exchange and sent the exchange one hundred dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>buy one hundred dollars worth of bitcoin. What does the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange give you for your hundred dollars? One possibility. It

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<v Speaker 1>gives you point zero zero five to one five bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>It sends you some instructions on how to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a bitcoin wallet. It asks you for a public bitcoin address.

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<v Speaker 1>It converts one hundred dollars to bitcoin at the current

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<v Speaker 1>market price, and it sends you that number of bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>at your public address, and then you access those bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>using your private key for that address. This is suboptimal

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<v Speaker 1>for the exchange for one thing. Dollar and bitcoin transactions

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<v Speaker 1>have different time frames and finality. If you fund your

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<v Speaker 1>account with a bank transfer or a credit card, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you buy one hundred dollars of bitcoin, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you call your bank and say I've been defrauded. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recognize that charge. There's a decent chance the bank

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<v Speaker 1>will take the one hundred dollars from the exchange and

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<v Speaker 1>give it back to you. Meanwhile, the bitcoin transfer to

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<v Speaker 1>your wallet is fast and irreversible. For another thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange will get some customers who don't write down

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<v Speaker 1>their wallets seed phrase, or lose it or forget it

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<v Speaker 1>and then can't access the bitcoin, and they'll call the

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<v Speaker 1>exchanges customer service number and say I lost the password

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<v Speaker 1>to my bitcoin account. Can you reset it? And the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange will say, no, it doesn't work that way. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a customer service number, and the customers

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<v Speaker 1>won't like it. I paid you one dollars for bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have the bitcoin, they'll say and blame

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange and complain to regulators and law enforcement and

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<v Speaker 1>the press, and especially to their bank or credit card company. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these problems are annoying but solvable, and modern crypto exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>do some amount of this, acquiring crypto for self custodying customers.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a simpler possibility that is also quite popular.

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<v Speaker 1>The exchange could hang onto your bitcoin for you, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of sending you point zero zero five to one five

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin on the bitcoin blockchain, it could go out and

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<v Speaker 1>buy point zero zero five to one five bitcoin and

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<v Speaker 1>put them into its own bitcoin wallet. Being a professional

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin exchange, it could put in the effort to keep

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<v Speaker 1>these bitcoins safe and not lose the keys, And then

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<v Speaker 1>instead of sending you point zero zero five to one

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<v Speaker 1>five bitcoin, the exchange just keeps a database of its

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<v Speaker 1>customers and their account balances, and your entry in the

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<v Speaker 1>database includes your name, your driver's license number, your account number,

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<v Speaker 1>your email address, your phone number, your password just kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>a hash of your password, your mother's maiden name, and

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<v Speaker 1>your account balance, and the exchange rights point zero zero

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<v Speaker 1>five to one five in the balance field. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when you log into your account, it displays point zero

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<v Speaker 1>zero five to one five bitcoin as your account balance.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think you own point zero zero five to

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<v Speaker 1>one five bitcoin, and you're not exactly wrong, but really

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<v Speaker 1>what you own is a claim on the exchange for

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<v Speaker 1>point zero zero five to one five bitcoin. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>own them directly, and you don't control the private key.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have an entry on the ledger of the exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a bank If you have a bank account,

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<v Speaker 1>the bank owes you money and you trust it to

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<v Speaker 1>keep a record of that. If you have a crypto

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<v Speaker 1>exchange account, it's the same, but the exchange owes you bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing this means is that if you lose your password,

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<v Speaker 1>you can call the exchange and it can reset it

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<v Speaker 1>for you. The customer service can be a bit better.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some obvious downsides. One big one it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a bank. If you got into bitcoin because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>trust banks and you want to be in control of

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<v Speaker 1>your own money. It's somewhat weird philosophically to just go

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<v Speaker 1>and trust a crypto exchange to keep your money for you.

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<v Speaker 1>These days, the big crypto exchanges seem to be mostly

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<v Speaker 1>law abiding, and you can get rich enough running a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate crypto exchange that it seems silly to steal the

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<v Speaker 1>money instead. But another downside is hackers. A crypto exchange

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<v Speaker 1>has a giant pot of money, and it has to

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<v Speaker 1>move that money around a lot to deal with customer transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an appealing target for hackers looking to steal private keys. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>modern crypto exchanges spend a lot of money on information security,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't always the case, and there's a long

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<v Speaker 1>history of bitcoin exchanges being hacked or quote unquote hacked.

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<v Speaker 1>When all the bitcoin in it exchanges while it gets stolen,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be hard to tell sometimes whether they were

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<v Speaker 1>stolen by outside hackers or by the exchanges ceo. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>while I suppose an exchange is less likely to lose

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<v Speaker 1>its private keys than the average customer is, it can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>In The CEO of Quadriga Fintech Solutions Corps. Died in

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat mysterious circumstances while on vacation in India. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the company's Quadriga c X was Canada's largest crypto exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was apparently run entirely off of its CEO's laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>When he died, he took all of Quadriga's private keys

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<v Speaker 1>with him, meaning its customers bitcoin were lost forever, or

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it would have meant, except that before he

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<v Speaker 1>died he also stole all the customers bitcoin, so the

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<v Speaker 1>wall whose keys disappeared with him were empty. Anyway, when

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<v Speaker 1>crypto exchanges are bad, they tend to be bad in

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<v Speaker 1>all ways at once. Three also exchanges, though centralized crypto

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<v Speaker 1>exchanges are on ramps to crypto for people with dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and other traditional currencies, but they're also exchanges. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have some bitcoin in your coin based account and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather have ether, you can sell your bitcoin for ether.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to actively trade among cryptocurrencies to make

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<v Speaker 1>bets on which will go up more, you can do

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<v Speaker 1>that on an exchange. In traditional finance, there tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be a division between exchanges and brokerages. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy stock, you open an account at a brokerage

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<v Speaker 1>such as Charles Schwab, Fidelity or robin Hood, and you

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<v Speaker 1>send your broker in order to buy stock. The stock

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<v Speaker 1>exchange is the place for big brokerages and institutions to

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<v Speaker 1>trade stock. Retail customers need an account with a broker

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<v Speaker 1>to access the exchange. In practice, modern US stock trading

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<v Speaker 1>is even more intermediated than this, and your order may

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<v Speaker 1>get sent to an electronic trading firm and not the

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<v Speaker 1>stock exchange. There are many layers of intermediation in crypto.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not generally true. Big crypto exchanges such as coin

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<v Speaker 1>base or f t X let anyone open an account

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<v Speaker 1>and trade crypto directly on the exchange, and you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>normally connect to the exchange through a broker, though traditional

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<v Speaker 1>retail stock brokerages are increasingly getting into the business of

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<v Speaker 1>buying crypto for their customers. Every step that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>making a trade happen getting your money into the account,

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<v Speaker 1>taking your by order, matching your order with someone else's

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<v Speaker 1>cell order, settling the trade, putting the crypto in your account.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeping track of your account is done by the exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me spend a bit more time on one of

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<v Speaker 1>those functions providing leverage. If bitcoin isn't exciting enough for you,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find an exchange that will let you borrow

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<v Speaker 1>money to buy more of it. You put in one dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange lends you nine dollars. You get one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of bitcoin. If bitcoin goes up ten percent,

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<v Speaker 1>you double your money. If bitcoin goes down ten percent,

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<v Speaker 1>you lose everything. Bitcoin goes up and down by ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent a lot, so this is an exciting way to gamble.

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<v Speaker 1>Traditional finance also provides leverage, but it's a complex and

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<v Speaker 1>intermediated system involving brokers and clearing houses. Crypto exchanges are

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<v Speaker 1>more integrated, so in many cases of crypto exchange is

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<v Speaker 1>basically in the business of managing market risk. Say, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin going down ten percent, it falls, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>only down your original one dollars, but now you owe

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars. Crypto exchanges have to decide when to make

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<v Speaker 1>you post collateral, put up more money to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>you're good for your losses, and when to liquidate your

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<v Speaker 1>position so you don't lose more than you can pay back.

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<v Speaker 1>The crypto exchange may have customers with big leveraged bets

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<v Speaker 1>on bitcoin rising they're long in the language of finance,

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<v Speaker 1>and customers with big leveraged bets against bitcoin they're short.

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<v Speaker 1>If Bitcoin moves too far in one direction too quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>then the long or short customers will be out of money,

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<v Speaker 1>which means there won't be money to pay back the

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<v Speaker 1>short or long customers. On the other side, the exchange

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<v Speaker 1>has to think about how volatile its assets are, set

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<v Speaker 1>leverage limits so blow ups are unlikely, and monitor leverage

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<v Speaker 1>levels to ensure no one is in imminent danger of

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<v Speaker 1>blowing up. If someone is likely to blow up, the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange has to seize their collateral and sell it ideally

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<v Speaker 1>in an intelligent way that doesn't destabilize the market too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and in periods of high volatility, the exchange might shut

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<v Speaker 1>down trading rather than deal with all this. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of centralized decision making. We'll be right back with

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<v Speaker 1>more from Bloomberg Business Week Special Crypto issue written by

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<v Speaker 1>Matt levine a narrated by Mark Leadoff. See stable coins.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is good at keeping track of who has bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>This is technologically interesting and also useful in so far

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<v Speaker 1>as bitcoin are a store of wealth. And if bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>were the dominant currency in the world, if it were

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<v Speaker 1>digital cash and you could use it to buy stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prices of things were set in bitcoin, then

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>it would be even more useful. But it isn't. You

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<v Speaker 1>use dollars or pounds or yan or euros to buy stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the price of bitcoin in dollars, etcetera is very volatile.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that would be cool is if crypto could

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<v Speaker 1>keep track of who has dollars, then you could get

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of crypto decentralization, smart contracts skirting the law

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>along with the benefits of dollars. Your bank account isn't

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 1>incredibly volatile. You can buy a sandwich. A stable coin

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<v Speaker 1>is a crypto token that's supposed to always be worth

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<v Speaker 1>one dollar or one unit of some other traditional currency. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>whilst two dollars, if you have a stable coin, then

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you have one dollar on the blockchain, you hope one collateralized.

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<v Speaker 1>The simplest sort of stable coin is what sometimes called

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<v Speaker 1>a fully backed stable coin. Popular examples include us DC

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and tether. The idea here is one some reasonably trustworthy

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>institution sets up a stable coin factory to issue stable

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>coins on one or more popular block chains. Two you

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<v Speaker 1>give the issuer one dollar. Three it gives you back

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>one stable coin. Four it puts the dollar somewhere safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Five If you ever want your dollar back, you give

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the issuer one stable coin and it gives you back

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the dollar. Or maybe not you, but an institutional investor.

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<v Speaker 1>This description makes a stable coin issue where an on

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<v Speaker 1>off ramp between regular currency and crypto, which is risky

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<v Speaker 1>for the reasons we discussed earlier regulatory credit, etcetera. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to hand the issue where a stable coin

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<v Speaker 1>and and get back a dollar, it will probably at

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<v Speaker 1>least want to do know your customer checks to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's okay to give you dollars, or the issuer

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<v Speaker 1>might limit redemptions to some list of large institutional investors.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than letting just anyone show up with a stable coin.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably fine. If there are enough institutions who

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<v Speaker 1>can redeem stable coins for dollars, then they will buy

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>stable coins for a round a dollar, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>just sell your stable coins to them. Your stable coin

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<v Speaker 1>lives on some blockchain and can be traded and used

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<v Speaker 1>like any other token on that blockchain. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>big stable coin issuers issue on multiple blockchains. Tether lives

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<v Speaker 1>mostly on Tron and Ethereum, USDC lives mostly on Ethereum,

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<v Speaker 1>but is also on Salana, tron Avalanche, and to a

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<v Speaker 1>lesser extent, for other blockchains. If you have ten thousand

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars stable coins on the Ethereum blockchain and you want

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to buy some Ether, you can buy ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of Ether with your stable coins without putting more

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in, and if you have ten thousand dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>of either, you can sell it for ten thousand dollars

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>stable coins. Having ten thousand dollars stable coins is like

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>having ten thousand dollars, but the stable coins live on

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the blockchain in your crypto wallet rather than in a

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<v Speaker 1>bank account. This is useful if, for instance, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a bank account, or if you don't live in

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<v Speaker 1>the US and it's hard for you to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar denominated bank account, or if you plan to

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<v Speaker 1>use the ten thousand dollars to buy more crypto later

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't want to move it back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>between the regular and crypto financial systems, or if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to send the ten thousand dollars to a smart

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<v Speaker 1>contract which can deal directly with your crypto wallet, but

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<v Speaker 1>which has a hard time talking to a bank. Banks

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<v Speaker 1>are suspicious of crypto, and crypto is suspicious of banks,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's always a bit painful to connect the cryptosystem

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<v Speaker 1>to a bank. This smart contract will send me dollars

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<v Speaker 1>if the Jets win this weekend. No bad, doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>This smart contract will send me stable coins if the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets win. Yes, fine. Stable coins are wrapped dollars dollars

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that live on the blockchain. More generally, this is useful

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<v Speaker 1>if you think the crypto financial system is better than

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional one. If sending tokens over a crypto blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>is faster and cheaper than sending dollars by interbank transfer,

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>then stable coins are a better way to send dollars

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<v Speaker 1>If the blockchain lets you develop interesting derivatives, contracts, and

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<v Speaker 1>trading applications in a quick and permissionless way, and the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional financial system doesn't, you'll want to use stable coins

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<v Speaker 1>instead of regular dollars. One important point about the collateralized

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>stable coin model is that it requires you to trust

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<v Speaker 1>the issuer. The dollar nous of the stable coin happens

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<v Speaker 1>as it were, entirely off the blockchain. As a crypto matter,

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<v Speaker 1>what you have is a receipt for one dollar from

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<v Speaker 1>some institution that you trust. If that institution incenterates all

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the dollars, that receipt shouldn't be worth a dollar. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the longest running and funniest controversies in crypto is

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<v Speaker 1>about where Tether, the biggest stable coin, keeps its money.

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<v Speaker 1>Tether is replete with colorful characters the Mighty Ducks Guy, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go around boasting about how transparent they are

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<v Speaker 1>without actually saying where the money is. They also go

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<v Speaker 1>around promising to publish an audit, but never do it.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably have the money more or less, but they

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be going out of their way to seem untrustworthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Still people trust them. One you can collateralize other things.

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<v Speaker 1>The collateralized stable coin model is a way to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>non crypto assets and put them on the blockchain. You

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<v Speaker 1>could imagine all sorts of assets getting wrapped. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you wanted to trade stocks, but in crypto

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<v Speaker 1>You might want to do this for reasons similar to

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<v Speaker 1>why you might want to have dollars. But in crypto

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<v Speaker 1>you like the cryptosystem, the smart contracts, the permissionless innovation,

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the decentralized exchanges, frankly, the lack of regulation. But you

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<v Speaker 1>also like stocks, which represent ownership and productive enterprises, and

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<v Speaker 1>are also a very popular tool for speculation. The cryptosystem

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't talk all that well to the stocks system. Your

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<v Speaker 1>broker is suspicious of crypto, and crypto is suspicious of

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<v Speaker 1>your broker. Less and less so, but still putting the

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<v Speaker 1>stocks on the blockchain lets you trade the things you

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<v Speaker 1>want stocks the way you want in crypto. Conceptually, one

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<v Speaker 1>way to do this is that some fairly trustworthy institution

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<v Speaker 1>buys a bunch of Tesla ink stock and holds it

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<v Speaker 1>in its vault, and then it issues wrapped Tesla tokens

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<v Speaker 1>on some blockchain. Each w ts L a token corresponds

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<v Speaker 1>to one share of Tesla that the institution has in

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<v Speaker 1>its vault, and you can trade them on the blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>exactly as you would Ether. And in fact this exists.

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<v Speaker 1>F t X, a leading centralized crypto exchange, offers tokenized

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<v Speaker 1>stocks on the Salana blockchain, though not to US customers. Binance,

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<v Speaker 1>another leading exchange, offered tokenized stocks for a while, but

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<v Speaker 1>then stopped. If you're going to try this, you'll want

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to run it by your local securities regulator. It's legally

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive to find new ways to sell people new not

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>quite stocks, But if it works, it's interesting for a

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 1>crypto exchange. It's a way to keep your retail gamblers

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>gambling on your platform. Someone who wants to bet on

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin and Ether and Tesla stock can do all of

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<v Speaker 1>it on one crypto exchange. More broadly, though, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way for the crypto financial system to ingest the traditional

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>financial system. Have a financial asset, put it in a box,

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and issue tokens about it. Now it's a crypto asset.

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<v Speaker 1>If the crypto financial system is good, if the computer programs,

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<v Speaker 1>payment rails, and institutional structures of crypto have competitive advantage,

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<v Speaker 1>is against the programs, rails, and structures of traditional finance.

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<v Speaker 1>Then some people will prefer to trade their stocks or

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>bonds or other financial assets in the cryptosystem two algorithmic.

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<v Speaker 1>The fully backed stable coin model has problems. One is

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<v Speaker 1>that you might not trust the issuer of a backed

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 1>stable coin. Another is that you might not want to

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<v Speaker 1>trust any issuer. An issuer of a fully backed stable

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<v Speaker 1>coin is by necessity using the US dollar financial system.

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<v Speaker 1>It's keeping the backing dollars in a bank or in

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<v Speaker 1>other traditional finance dollar instruments. It might be subject to

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<v Speaker 1>the regulatory pressures of that system. What you want is

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<v Speaker 1>something that's worth a dollar but exists purely on the blockchain.

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<v Speaker 1>Can that be done one good algorithmic, sure, and with

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly simple and traditional bit of financial engineering. It

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<v Speaker 1>starts with leverage, or just borrowing money. Leverage is a

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<v Speaker 1>way to amplify the risks and returns of betting on Krypto.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of putting in one hundred dollars and buying one

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars worth of bitcoin and making ten dollars if

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes up ten percent, I put in one hundred

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>dollars and borrow one hundred dollars and buy two hundred

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of bitcoin and make twenty dollars. If bitcoin

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 1>goes up ten percent, or I lose twenty dollars. If

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes down ten percent, or I lose everything if

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes down for me, that's a high risk, high

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>reward proposition. But what if I borrowed the money from you?

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>What does that proposition look like for you? Well, if

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes up ten percent, you get back one hundred dollars.

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 1>I sell my bitcoin for two d twenty dollars, give

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>you back one hundred dollars and keep the rest. And likewise,

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>if bitcoin goes up, you get back one hundred dollars.

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I sell two hundred forty, give you back a hundred,

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and keep a hundred forty. If bitcoin goes down, you

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>get back a hundred dollars. I sell for one hundred

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and sixty, give you a hundred and keep sixty. If

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes down forty nine point five percent, you get

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>back one hundred dollars. I sell for one one, give

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you back a hundred, and keep one dollar. Let's stop

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>there for no particular reason. At every point that I've

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>named so far, you get back one hundred dollars. You

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>put in one hundred dollars and you get back one

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars no matter what. For me, this trade is

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>very risky. If bitcoin fell forty nine point five percent,

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I lost. For you, this trade is very safe, very stable.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>What you have is a stable coin. You put in

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars and get back one hundred dollars. This

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>basic idea is called an algorithmic stable coin. You put

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<v Speaker 1>in one hundred dollars and get back a thing that's

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>worth one hundred dollars, with that value guaranteed by a

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>larger amount of a volatile cryptocurrency. I've described this as

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<v Speaker 1>just a direct loan from you to me a con tract,

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<v Speaker 1>but ordinarily this would be done as a smart contract,

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>a computer program on a blockchain. The Talent describes a

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<v Speaker 1>rudimentary form of this in the original Ethereum white paper,

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<v Speaker 1>calling it a hedging contract. Here's a slightly different example

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<v Speaker 1>that involves no dollars at all. Say you and I

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<v Speaker 1>each put one thousand ether into a smart contract, and

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>that when we do it, one thousand ether is worth

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars on some preset maturity date. The contract

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>will send you one million dollars worth of either and

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I will get whatever either is left. If either doubled

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 1>in value in that time, that means you'll get five

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 1>ether worth one million dollars, and I'll get hundred either

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>worth three million dollars. On the other hand, if either's

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>dollar value fell, you get all the ether in the pool,

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>So you get your one million dollars back and I

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>get nothing. You get back one million dollars no matter what.

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>The smart contract though never held any dollars at all.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no bank account, no treasury bills, no trusted central intermediary.

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>But you have a claim with a steady value in

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<v Speaker 1>US dollars. We have, in a way, manufactured dollars purely

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<v Speaker 1>out of crypto. A few points first, I'm being far

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<v Speaker 1>too cute here in my original example. If the price

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin falls by my two worth of bitcoin will

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be worth ninety eight dollars and I won't have enough

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>money to pay you back. You're supposed stable coin is

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 1>worth cents. Can the price of bitcoin fall by more

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>than Oh? Yes, absolutely it did that this year. It's

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>not easy to manufacture stable coins out of extremely unstable assets.

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<v Speaker 1>Your algorithmic stable coin has some risk of becoming unstable,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can do a little better than the crude

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<v Speaker 1>version I've proposed here. You could have margin calls, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>so that if bitcoin falls by more than the smart

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<v Speaker 1>contract sells the remaining bitcoin to pay me back immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Actual algorithmic stable coins die. The stable coin of Maker

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<v Speaker 1>Dow is a big one work this way. Second, I

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<v Speaker 1>am omitting interest. In the real world. If I'm borrowing

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars from you to buy a bitcoin, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just paying you back one hundred dollars. I'm paying

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<v Speaker 1>you back with interest add one dollars or whatever. An

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<v Speaker 1>algorithmic stable coin, much like a dollar in a bank account,

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<v Speaker 1>can potentially generate interest. Third, note that there are two

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<v Speaker 1>sides to this trade. Some people want stable coins and

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<v Speaker 1>will put money or ether, bitcoin, etcetera. Into this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of smart contract to get stable coins. Others want leverage

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<v Speaker 1>and will borrow money from this sort of smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>to take leveraged positions in risky crypto assets. There are

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<v Speaker 1>different appetites for risk, so there's a trade to be done. Fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what a bank is not in crypto

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<v Speaker 1>just in the world. Here's what a bank is. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people want to borrow money to make investments. The main

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<v Speaker 1>investments are one starting or expanding a business and to

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<v Speaker 1>buying real estate. They borrow money from a bank. They

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<v Speaker 1>get leverage. If their business does well or their houses

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<v Speaker 1>price goes up, they pay back the money to the

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<v Speaker 1>bank with interest. The bank has the senior claim on

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<v Speaker 1>their business or house. If there isn't enough money for everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>the bank gets paid first. Sometimes the bank loses money,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly it gets paid back on most of its loans.

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<v Speaker 1>The bank then is just a pool of these loans,

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot of senior claims on a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>businesses and houses. These loans are called the bank's assets.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the bank itself goes and borrows money. A bank

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<v Speaker 1>with ten billion dollars of assets ten billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>mortgages and business loans might have one billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>its shareholders money equity or for a bank capital, and

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<v Speaker 1>borrow the other nine billion dollars. It borrows the nine

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars from its customers in the form of deposits.

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<v Speaker 1>A bank deposit is formally alone to the bank. If

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<v Speaker 1>you deposit one dollars, the bank owes you that one

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and it uses that hundred dollars to fund loans

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<v Speaker 1>to businesses and homebuyers. Wait, though I said way way

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that a dollar is just an entry in the

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<v Speaker 1>bank's database. When you have a dollar, what you have

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<v Speaker 1>is an entry on the books of the bank. That

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<v Speaker 1>deposit is the dollar. The deposit is the dollar, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet it's also the debt of the bank. Your entry

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<v Speaker 1>on the bank's database shows both that the bank owes

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<v Speaker 1>you a dollar and is the dollar that you own.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that incoherent? How can the bank owe you the

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<v Speaker 1>dollar if you have it already right there in your account. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what a dollar is. A dollar is debt. The

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<v Speaker 1>modern banking system is a machine that takes in risky

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<v Speaker 1>assets at one end, takes senior claims on them, lending

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<v Speaker 1>money against those assets with the right to be paid

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<v Speaker 1>back first, and repeats that move a few times, taking

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<v Speaker 1>an issuing senior claims on the senior claims. In practice,

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<v Speaker 1>this can be repeated many times. Banks would sometimes buy

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<v Speaker 1>senior tranches of collateralized debt obligations made up of senior

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<v Speaker 1>tranches of mortgage backed securities made up of senior loans

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<v Speaker 1>on houses. At the other end of all this, it

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<v Speaker 1>spits out dollars a dollar is distilled from risky assets.

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<v Speaker 1>The stable coin thing is nothing new. It's just banking,

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<v Speaker 1>but banking in a particularly clear way and in a

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<v Speaker 1>largely unregulated way at the moment, and without deposit insurance

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<v Speaker 1>purified in smart contracts on the blockchain. Coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll hear more from mt Levine's special Crypto issue of

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week, narrated by Mark Leadoff. Two bad algorithmic

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<v Speaker 1>To summarize the previous section, if you have a large

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<v Speaker 1>quantity of risky tokens, you can, with a little financial engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>issue a smaller quantity of claims on those tokens and

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<v Speaker 1>call them stable coins. But recall also one of the

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<v Speaker 1>simplest lessons of bitcoin, which is that you can make

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<v Speaker 1>up an arbitrary token that trades electronically and people might

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<v Speaker 1>pay you money for it worth a shot. No, these

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<v Speaker 1>two insides, you can make up a token and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be worth money, and you can use claims on

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<v Speaker 1>risky tokens to make a stable coin can be combined

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<v Speaker 1>in a natural way to create a disaster. Here's the disaster. One.

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<v Speaker 1>I make up a cryptocurrency, call it share coin. I

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<v Speaker 1>listed on exchanges and try to sell it to people

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<v Speaker 1>for some money, maybe bitcoin or ether, or dollars or

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<v Speaker 1>Korean one. It doesn't matter. Two. I make up another cryptocurrency,

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<v Speaker 1>call it dollar coin. I set up a smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>saying that one dollar coin can always be exchanged for

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<v Speaker 1>one dollars worth of share coin. I can do this

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<v Speaker 1>because I just made up share coin, and the smart

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<v Speaker 1>contract can issue any old amount of it. If share

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<v Speaker 1>coin trades at twenty dollars, the smart contract will give

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<v Speaker 1>you point oh five share coins per dollar coin. If

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<v Speaker 1>it trades at point oh one dollar, the smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>will give you one thousand share coins. It doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>It can make all the share coins it wants. Three. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want dollar coins, you buy one dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>of share coins and deliver them to the smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>to get back a dollar coin. Four. As long as

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<v Speaker 1>there's some price for share coin, the smart contract can

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<v Speaker 1>issue a dollar's worth of share coins for any dollar

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<v Speaker 1>coin that someone brings to exchange. Five. See a dollar

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<v Speaker 1>coin should always be worth a dollar, I say, through

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<v Speaker 1>the power of algorithms. The flaw in this logic is

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<v Speaker 1>in step four. There's absolutely no reason for share coin

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<v Speaker 1>to be worth anything. At all. I just made it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and so no reason for a dollar coin to be

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<v Speaker 1>worth a dollar. But of course everything in crypto was

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<v Speaker 1>made up by somebody in the recent past, so this

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<v Speaker 1>objection is not as compelling as you might think. People

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<v Speaker 1>might believe in this story, or just in the general

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<v Speaker 1>vibe of share coin and dollar coin, they might buy

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<v Speaker 1>dollar coin and treated as worth a dollar, and buy

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<v Speaker 1>share coin and treated as a valuable component of a

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<v Speaker 1>thriving ecosystem. At some point, the process reverses. People start

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<v Speaker 1>to want dollars rather than dollar coins, so some of

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<v Speaker 1>them sell dollar coins for dollars on the open market.

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<v Speaker 1>This pushes the price of dollar coins slightly below one dollar,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps to other people get nervous, so they go to

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<v Speaker 1>the smart contract, which is supposed to keep the price

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<v Speaker 1>of a dollar coin at one dollar, and trade dollar

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<v Speaker 1>coins in for one dollars worth of share coins. They

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<v Speaker 1>sell those share coins, which pushes down the price of

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<v Speaker 1>share coin, which makes more people nervous. They trade even

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<v Speaker 1>more dollar coins for share coins and sell those. This

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<v Speaker 1>pushes the price of share cooin lower, which creates more nervousness,

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<v Speaker 1>which leads to more redemptions at lower share coin prices

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<v Speaker 1>and even more share coin supply flooding the market. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a well known phenomenon in traditional finance. It happens

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<v Speaker 1>when companies issue debt and commit to paying it back

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<v Speaker 1>with stock, and it has the technical name death spiral.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as bad as it sounds. A couple of algorithmic

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<v Speaker 1>stable coins have death spiraled, the most famous one being

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<v Speaker 1>Tara u s D. Tara was a blockchain ecosystem with

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<v Speaker 1>a native currency like our share coin, called Luna, and

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<v Speaker 1>a stable coin called Tara us D. Billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of Tara USD were issued, backed by algorithmic conversion into

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<v Speaker 1>one dollar's worth of Luna. Terra USD was popular because

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<v Speaker 1>stable coins are popular, and also to be fair because

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<v Speaker 1>you could get interest rates on terra USD. The total

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<v Speaker 1>amount of Terra usd reached eighteen point five billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>the market capitalization of Luna rose above forty billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The system all worked, and then it didn't. A quick

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<v Speaker 1>death spiral hit in May and tara unraveled completely. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the month, terra USD was trading below

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<v Speaker 1>two cents. Zillions of Luna had been issued and were

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<v Speaker 1>trading at essentially zero and the whole Terra blockchain had

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<v Speaker 1>burned to the ground. Terra's founder Do Kwan Colorful Character,

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<v Speaker 1>was tweeting in September that he wasn't on the run

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<v Speaker 1>from South Korean authorities. Those authorities responded that he was

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