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Speaker 1: First off, we want to thank you, you know for

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Speaker 1: So Man, we definitely want to thank you for being

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Well, my first year I was in Phoenix and you know,

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Speaker 3: got a chance. So I was like, yeah, Charles giving

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Speaker 3: think who was the first one. I was probably say Penny.

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Speaker 3: I would say Penny. I remember, I remember to this day.

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Speaker 3: Penny had me on the post and I was like,

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Speaker 3: first that really really really got at me for sure. Yo,

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Speaker 3: yo yo. We live on location. I ain't gonna tell

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Speaker 3: you where at where we at. We at an undisclosed location.

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Speaker 3: We got my og. I'm talking about big time shot town,

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Speaker 3: shot town representing this boy. We got an NBA World

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Speaker 3: champ legend, you feel me.

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Speaker 2: We got a big.

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Speaker 4: Ten alumni Wisconsin. Hey, listen, he been to Phoenix, he

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Speaker 4: been to Dallas. He won a championship in San Antonio,

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Speaker 4: and he back in the front office and Mike and

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Speaker 4: I'll excuse me in Dallas running things, showing us how

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Speaker 4: an o g shot Town's very young fenn Dog Mike

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Speaker 4: finn Hey, look, it's one of the first representers for

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Speaker 4: the Jordan brand in the history. Y'all showed the shows

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Speaker 4: Love Now Mike Fennball.

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Speaker 2: Presented by Ennessy.

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Speaker 1: Out of all the schools in Chicago, what made you choose.

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Speaker 2: He grew up, I'm from Maywood.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he could have went bro.

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Speaker 1: You from the South side and you went to Whitney young,

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Speaker 5: All the way to the West side and went to school.

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Speaker 1: You're from the south in my line, Yeah, but get

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Speaker 3: But yeah, while he answered the question, no, we're home,

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, But he didn't win the state

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Speaker 3: But you know, we we we all grew up together.

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Speaker 2: So we want so you want champions, you want state

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Speaker 1: But you grew up in history, like history, like some

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Speaker 4: You didn't win the state championship, state champions in the

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Speaker 2: I said we he wanted.

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Speaker 1: He just said he wanted state championship, all right, But

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Speaker 1: Viso East was was the for sure choice.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was no, it was no. I had

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Speaker 3: And that's something. I grew like four inches too, So

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Speaker 2: And that's what we did.

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Speaker 1: When you first heard the Three Amigos, Like, how was

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Speaker 5: Because you see these guys already have the success.

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Speaker 1: They the man and you know, you grow four inches

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Speaker 2: That was good?

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Speaker 3: I mean it was a good feeling knowing that, you know, everybody,

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Speaker 3: good now, but now the spotlight was on us and

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Speaker 3: at the time, to me, the two most popular teams

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Speaker 3: we want to State championship.

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Speaker 5: So he was popular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I was like that when I was a deep pot.

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Speaker 2: Then y'all like when did you When did did you

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually I got a chance to play against MJ

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Speaker 3: right after we want to State Championship?

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Speaker 2: What was that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: That was that was crazy? I mean it was like

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Speaker 3: Channel two News called me I remember, and it was like, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're doing this this thing called Dreams Come True and

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Speaker 3: we want to know if you would play one on

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Speaker 2: It's like of course.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, of course, I mean that's a

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Speaker 3: no brainer. So we scheduled it out and we go

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Speaker 3: up to their practicing at the BeRTOS Center. Right, So

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Speaker 3: this is the crazy part. We walk in met Donnie Scherrell,

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Speaker 3: he's here to play Michael one on one. We had

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Speaker 3: already scheduled this and Michael agreed to it. And Jerry

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Speaker 3: Cross is like, no way, We're in the middle of

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, cool, I'm in the Bulls practicea city,

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Speaker 3: The MJ come out and MJ is talking to the

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Speaker 3: kid came here with his boys, let's play. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: Jerry Carroll this before you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jerry Carroll was coming back. So I was

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Speaker 2: before my time. Yeah, these kids letting their hair bro il?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ain't they letting their hair grow now? Because it's

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Speaker 3: something that I started back in the day. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, but the thing was what made me nervous.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to hurt m J.

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Speaker 3: I was like, it's no way I'm gonna hurt him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I thought he just bounced back.

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Speaker 3: I did not want to hurt him, but it was

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Speaker 3: It was a great experience, and actually I kind of

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Speaker 3: five years, and I was like, shoot, that.

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Speaker 2: Would be great.

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Speaker 3: But then you have to remember he retired, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: then I was like going into the droughts like, well,

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Speaker 3: Then he came back, so it all came back for

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Speaker 3: a circle. So it was it was cool, real cool.

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Speaker 1: With the could have been anybody else but Wisconsin, Like

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Speaker 1: would you leaning pull somebody else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was I had three three official visits

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Speaker 4: How was it for you the adjustment from you know,

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Speaker 3: It's not like it's a bigger picture. So Wisconsin prepared

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Speaker 1: How was your draft process? Like you had to work

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Speaker 2: And I worked out for thirteen teams.

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Speaker 3: No thirteen teams, but two workouts on one day. This

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know where you came from. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: That experience was great because I tell kids nowadays, it's

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Speaker 3: But it was cool though.

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Speaker 1: you gonna get traded because it was in December?

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00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was shocked. Bro crazy story.

439
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 5: December twenty six, Yeah.

440
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: After christ so so I got the whole fam in

441
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 3: town for Christmas, right, and we have some friends in Phoenix,

442
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: so they went. They went to, uh, the France house.

443
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 3: So me and my nephew were sitting at home. My nephew,

444
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: he's nine years younger than me. We're sitting at home

445
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: watching the Dallas game, right, and me and Jason Kidd

446
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 3: are real cool. So we're watching the Dallas game and

447
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: an announcer says, uh, Jason Kidd is not coming out

448
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 3: the locker room. Rumors has it he's been traded. So

449
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my nephew. I was like, Dallas has

450
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 3: got to be the stupidest team in the league. If

451
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 3: they traded Jason, I said, they trading that's the all

452
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: Star point gud, I mean, rookie of the year. Why

453
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: would they trade him? They got to be stupid. And

454
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 3: my nephew was like, yeah, you're right. Two minutes later,

455
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: my phone ring, it's you the house phone you know

456
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 3: back and then.

457
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: I pick up the house phone.

458
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: It's uh it was it was Danny Ainge's uh, Danny

459
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: Ainge's secretary say, ain't Michael, how you doing.

460
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm good. Well, Danny wants to talk to you.

461
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's about you know, some playing time or

462
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: something like that, and Danny was like, how.

463
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: You doing I was like, I'm cool, what's going on.

464
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: He's like, well, we traded you.

465
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, I don't know what it's

466
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 3: like what. I was like, Okay, He's like, yeah, you're

467
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: going to Dallas. Like, oh my god. I was like

468
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: he's like yeah, we just have to think we have

469
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: a chance to get a great point. God blah blah blah.

470
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, I ain't. I ain't hear nothing after that,

471
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: we just got the phone right. So then Dallas ended up,

472
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: you know, sending the plane that next day, took my

473
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: whole family from Phoenix, took us to Dallas. I played

474
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: that next day. So the crazy thing about that year,

475
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: I played eighty three regular season games. I gained the

476
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: game a game the game, so me, you like, the only.

477
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: Person in history have boy to eighty two games. We

478
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta google there. We got there to play

479
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: eighty three games that year. Yeah, that's gangs, dude.

480
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 4: When you when you first got there, coming from Chicago,

481
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 4: going to Wisconsin for four years, then you get to Phoenix,

482
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: you have a dope first year.

483
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

484
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 4: You made all rookie team, finished third and rookie and

485
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: like how was that year for you, like getting yourself

486
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: like getting your feet wet in the league and feeling

487
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: like you established yourself, Like, how was that for you?

488
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: Mentally? That was great?

489
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 6: Man.

490
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: It showed me that that, you know, I have a

491
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: chance to maintain in the league.

492
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

493
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: It's you know, all we know getting to the league

494
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: is hard, but staying in the league is even harder. Artists,

495
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: so I had I had success my rookie year, but

496
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: it wasn't immediate. It was something that I had to,

497
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: you know, keep working at keep learning the NBA game,

498
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, picking the heads of my vets, asking them

499
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: questions what can I do to be better? And again

500
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: Charles said, one of the things I'll never forget that

501
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: he told me. He was like, He's like, your jump

502
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: shot is okay, but it could be better. He said,

503
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: this is what I need you to do. At least

504
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes before practice, at least fifteen to

505
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: twenty minutes after practice, work on your jump shot. He said,

506
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: you do that, He said, your your game can go

507
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: to the next level. And I took at the heart

508
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: and I worked tiressly before practice and after practice with

509
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: Donnie Nelson before practice and uh after practice was Paul

510
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: Silas And that showed me that if I keep working,

511
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: I can get better and better. And then I was

512
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: able to make the R Rookie team. And I just said,

513
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 3: I like this success, let me keep doing it. So

514
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: I kept working hard at it.

515
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 5: Dunk contest like was your car?

516
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Your car will still looking the same, like what made

517
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: you so?

518
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: So if you think back to the contest, uh, that

519
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: was Kobe's rookie year, and I wasn't really a good

520
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: to me, a good uh like freestyle dunk, that's what

521
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 3: I was.

522
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: A better end game dunky, that's me.

523
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 7: I didn't.

524
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have a.

525
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Lot of creativity when it came to two dunk. So

526
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: I had my set dunks that I knew I can do.

527
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: So I think we get to the next round and

528
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: Kobe does the between the legs that was my dunk

529
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: that I was gonna do. So don't got nothing right.

530
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: So a week before that, Rex Chapman was my teammate

531
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, and Rex was like, I got the dunk

532
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: for you that will win it. And Rex did it

533
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: and did a perfect card wheel. I mean he got

534
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: straight straight, he'd have got a tip point and he

535
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: boomed it and I was like, that was nice. I

536
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: mean Rex did it and it was like perfect. He's like, man,

537
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: you do this, you'll win it. So now I'm sitting

538
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: up there. If you go back and look at the take,

539
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. So the last thing

540
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: that popped in my head, I was like, you know what,

541
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the Rex chatman. But I threw it

542
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: at my carwheel once.

543
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you provide some context in it, because

544
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 4: I thought it was just a Maywood thing. Because if

545
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 4: you remember, you fast forward for two years after you,

546
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: Corey went up there doing the front with Flip and

547
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 4: had me throw it to him. Remember that, I was like,

548
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: many at the lead.

549
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: My car well, I leave my car well to my daughter.

550
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: Now she's the perfect but me man, to be quite honest,

551
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: when I did a carwell, I thought I was perfect.

552
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: It felt for perfect, and then when I saw the replay,

553
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: was like, oh that.

554
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: Just let us know sometimes we gotta be a little

555
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: more thorough.

556
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: You in Dallas now, and y'all get Steve Nash, you

557
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: get Dirt, got these two guys with blind her, you know,

558
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: come to play but it instantly seemed like.

559
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: It started to click for y'all.

560
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: Like that's especially the second year, not Dirk first year,

561
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: but the second year, it seemed like it really clicked

562
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: for y'all.

563
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: Remember when we.

564
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: Got to the league and player I just couldn't understand,

565
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: like why we couldn't beat y'all, like or get a

566
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: game on y'all, but we didn't know how to win.

567
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: But y'all knew how to win. Y'all played a certain way.

568
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: How was that to like form that big three? Y'all

569
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: was three all star players, Like y'all was a contender

570
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: in the West when the West was the dirty West.

571
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: You got the Spurs, you got you.

572
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, You got Timberwolves, you got Sacramento,

573
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: you got the Lakers, and y'all was definitely one of

574
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: them teams amongst that group. How was that to form

575
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: that big three with them right and win in Dallas

576
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: under Don Nelson? You know what I'm saying, which I

577
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: love his system to death. Everybody love Don that it

578
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: was system, But under that, how was that?

579
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: For you? In depth?

580
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: It was great, man, because it was similar to my

581
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: time in high school when I had teammates that we

582
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: really enjoyed each other like we were like we were cool,

583
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: like you could tell like we were if we won, you.

584
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Know, on the court together.

585
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: We were usually outside off the court doing stuff together,

586
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: and we had that bond and what that did. It

587
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: built trust Like even though you know the game can

588
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: be we can be down twenty, we always thought we

589
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 3: had a chance because we trusted each other. Right, So

590
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: when and when when the games got got hot and

591
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: we put the we put the ball in Steve's hands.

592
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: Steve was great at knowing who had it going or

593
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: who needed to get it going. So if if, if, if,

594
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: if Dirk had it going, He's like, okay, we're gonna

595
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: keep feeding Dirk. Well, i gotta make sure Fans is

596
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: right there because I'm gonna need him down the stretch.

597
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: So Steve was great at at knowing the flow of

598
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 3: the game and he kept it all going and on

599
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: top of Nelly's system. See, Nelly was to me an

600
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: offensive genius, right. He put you in positions to be successful,

601
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: Like he didn't have you doing stuff that you couldn't do.

602
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: If you look at Dirk's career, you know, Dirk dominated

603
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: the game off two dribbles and and yes, thank you,

604
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: because he knew how to he knew how to get space,

605
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: he knew how to get to his spots off at

606
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: least two dribbles. And that's predicated to what don Nelson

607
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: had taught us, and just when playing with each other

608
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: back in the day. But you know, playing with those guys,

609
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was it was great, man.

610
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: They were hard workers. They was very selfless. It was

611
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: all about the team with those guys. And I think

612
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: that's that's why I worked because we didn't. We didn't

613
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: we put our egos to side aside and was like

614
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: it's all about winning and it worked.

615
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: When you talk about Steve doing what he did, that

616
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: is literally anytime somebody interviewed your ass about him, like,

617
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: that's what I say his superpower or power was. And

618
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: that's why I feel he's able to, you know, move

619
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: straight into coaching and do it.

620
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: At a at a at a at a at a

621
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: high level.

622
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: Was because I take, for for example, our year together

623
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: at four o five, like he had a lot of

624
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: egos to deal with and I felt like he knew

625
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: when to get who the ball and what to do

626
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: no matter what the play was, it was gonna be.

627
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: No disrespect to the coach or no disrespect to whoever

628
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 2: the play was for.

629
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: But he had a sense to know, like, all right,

630
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: Q need a shot right now. I don't need him

631
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: to go tripping because he ain't had a shot. Okay,

632
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: let me get a market the ball right now, he

633
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: ain't had one of the men, let me give him

634
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: a touch or okay, wait, let me Tricks ain't got

635
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: the ball.

636
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: Whoever it was, he.

637
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: Knew because we had we had five guys that was

638
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: go get it, you know what I'm saying. He I

639
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: mean with four excluding him, And it was like he

640
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: had to deal with that, and he had to deal

641
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: with like I was. I was shot hungry. Stat was

642
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: becoming a monster. So he was extremely you know what

643
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying, shot hung You had Joe who was trying

644
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: to get a contract, and you had Tricks who was

645
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: already the max guy in an all start, so he

646
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: felt obligated. So it was like for Stevie when I

647
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: sat back and pulled away and watched that and thought.

648
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: About like this dude is unbelievable.

649
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: Now he is umble, he keeps everybody happy, and it's

650
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: like it's it's unbelievable.

651
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: How he does it when you really just watch it.

652
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: It's not like by calling out specific players or saying

653
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: I'm about to do that.

654
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: It's just like he just does it. It was crazy.

655
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: I used to really say that was his superpower because

656
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: you had all of us that was out there like

657
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: we needed it, we needed each other. But like if

658
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: he was gone, it was it was not right. And

659
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: the thing is he could score and he didn't.

660
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't. He was a hell of us.

661
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: And that's the thing Nelly used to get on him,

662
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: was like, you gotta you gotta shoot the ball. I mean,

663
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: you gotta score because you gotta keep the you gotta

664
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: keep the defense honest, because he can go. He can

665
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: he can get you thirty thirty, fifteen forty. Yeah, but

666
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: that wasn't his mindset. His mindset was I want to

667
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: see you. I want to see you be successful. I

668
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: can get mine, I know, but I want to see

669
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: you be successful. And that was like you said, that

670
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: was his superpower.

671
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: What did you feel when you got when you got

672
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: let go from Dallas after you like you said, you

673
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: guys developed the chemistry and everything you had with Steve

674
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: and Dirk, and now you got to leave Dallas.

675
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: And go to San Antonio. Right.

676
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: People have asked me this question before, and I give

677
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: them this example.

678
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: Imagine.

679
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: Imagine you're a carpenter or a person who builds houses. Right,

680
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: So you say, Okay, I'm gonna get all my wood

681
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: together and get all my materials, and I'm gonna build

682
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: my dream house. And you finally build your dream house,

683
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: but you can't live in it. And that's how I felt.

684
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: That's how I felt with that. That's how I felt

685
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: with Dallas. I felt that I had got them to

686
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: a point where we were we were about to make

687
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: some noise, and I was unable to to appreciate it.

688
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: So it kind of hurt, you know, because I wanted

689
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: to be a part of that when they I mean,

690
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: they eventually wanted twenty eleven props to them, but I

691
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: wanted to be a part of that that build and

692
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: and that celebration because I was there when it's from

693
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: the start, and I wanted to be there when when

694
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: they when they got to host up the trophy.

695
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, they wouldn't have got that if it wasn't

696
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: from y'all start, But that y'all changed. The coach in Dallas,

697
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: especially when y'all changed them Jersey's like, y'all released all

698
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it was a whole new new team, but.

699
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: You got to get you one in seven and that

700
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: kind of make it bittersweet right now.

701
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: First I worked out, I'm not I'm not.

702
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining. It all worked out, you know. So

703
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: I got mad.

704
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: The to even talking about them, to see after they

705
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: broke y'all up, to see how Nash went to Phoenix

706
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: and and and got two MVPs back to back to

707
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: see Dirk later on in his career finally win that

708
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: championship that he's funny for, Like, how proud of you boys,

709
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: I know that bond that y'all had. How proud of

710
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: them too, you are of how their careers once they

711
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: broke that up they went on and.

712
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm super proud. I mean, we still

713
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: we're part of a group chat to this day that

714
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: we you know, communicate at least once or twice a week.

715
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: And I was super proud because I knew, I knew

716
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: what we had in Dallas, right you know, you know,

717
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: we all played the game at the highest level. When

718
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: we've all retired pretty successful, but we all have that

719
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: what if moment? Right, And my what if is what

720
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: if we would have stayed together? Yeah in Dallas? What

721
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: what could have happened? You know, That's that's one of

722
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: the things that that that I think about all the time.

723
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: We talk about it, you know, what if? What what

724
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: would have happened?

725
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think they would have had uh

726
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: three MVPs among them. I think we would have had

727
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: multiple championships. So it's I'm just proud of those guys

728
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: because they worked hard.

729
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: I can remember because Steve Steve when he left Dallas,

730
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: he came that's when we went to Phoenix. That was

731
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 4: our first year, and I can vividly remember when we

732
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: not even the playoffs, when we first came back to

733
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: Dallas to play there. That was the first time that

734
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: I realized I'm playing with a superstar for the first time,

735
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 4: me and Joe said by each other, and I remember

736
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: tapping him like, bro, it's crazy. And I remember messing

737
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: with like, you know, I'm ana mess with st I say, boy,

738
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: you like.

739
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: The president, look at this, Look at all this hoo

740
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: like When we came back from the start line to everything.

741
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: It was then we played them in the playoffs that

742
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: year second round, and.

743
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: I was like, oh sh that was like, dude.

744
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: When I tell you, that was one of the craziest,

745
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: like from just the spectacle of it, from from going

746
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 4: to playing, you know, the first two games in our

747
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: building in Phoenix, and then when we got there all

748
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 4: over again, all of the fans in the airport, it

749
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 4: was like this shit is crazy, and it was like

750
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: it was almost like a divid some people they were

751
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 4: just learning to really love Jason Terry, but they hadn't

752
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: gotten over what went on with Stevie yet. And I

753
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: remembered that, and I was like, this is crazy, and

754
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: it was like when we beat y'all, it was like

755
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: I remember being extremely happy for Stevie, but like I

756
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: could tell, like you said, it wasn't you know how

757
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 4: you played with some guys and they go back and

758
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: play their teammates or old teams and they like, yeah, yeah.

759
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: Stevie wasn't like that.

760
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 4: It was like, of course you wanted to win, but

761
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 4: you could tell you had serious, true love for y'all,

762
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: and it was like, damn, it was like this was

763
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: like this was a crazy you know what I'm saying

764
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: it too. It was an emotional A lot of like

765
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 4: it took a lot out of you.

766
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, this was crazy.

767
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: But that was like literally when I first really realized, like, yo,

768
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 4: Steve Nash is supersary.

769
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: He had of here, like it was like everywhere we

770
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: went a Steve.

771
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, Like everybody loves Stevie.

772
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: He's h he was a global icon for real, and

773
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: you know we we definitely missed him. I know I

774
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: missed him when he when he left uh uh Dallas.

775
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: And that's probably one of the reason they got rid

776
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: of me, because I needed I needed him.

777
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Or I was in New York after I got traded.

778
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: I was like this fucking rajah Bell getting my shots.

779
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: I'm open.

780
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: That's how you feel like you can do playing with

781
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: him though, boy, like he he put that thing on

782
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: a plotter for you.

783
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: Boy, you go somewhere else, you'd be.

784
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: Like, damn, how was it for you your first All

785
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Star game to be selected by your peers to be

786
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: an All Star? Now you want the Elite lead, you know,

787
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: the All Star Game is the next level to the

788
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: next level, Like, how was it for you to be

789
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: a name the All Star?

790
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: That was great? Man, It was a great feeling. It

791
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: was a great sense of accomplishment that my hard work

792
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: had paid off, and not only not only making an

793
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: All Star, but the coaches voted me in, so they

794
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: recognized that what I was doing and I wasn't playing

795
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: on a great team at the time, you know, Dallas,

796
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: we were up and coming, so you know a lot

797
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 3: of people were saying that I didn't deserve it because

798
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: our record wasn't the best, but the coaches recognized what

799
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: I was bringing to the table for that team. So

800
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: that made me feel good and I just I just

801
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: wanted to represent Dallas on the national national scene, you know,

802
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: and making it to the All Star my first one

803
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 3: was awesome.

804
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Move that started a movement. What was it like to

805
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: be part of the first class of Jordan Brown?

806
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah.

807
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: So I was with Nike at the time, and my

808
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: agent called and was like, yeah, MJ is thinking about

809
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: getting his own line of shoes and he wants you

810
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: to be an endorsement. It's going to only gonna be

811
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: five of y'all. What do you think. I was like,

812
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: of course, bro, that's a no brainer.

813
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

814
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, well, you know, MJ wants

815
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: to meet y'all. So it was me, Ray Van Baker,

816
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: Derek Anderson, and Eddie Jones. We was the first five

817
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: and MJ was like, you know, each each one of

818
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: y'all have a part of my game that I that

819
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: I liked, and so I want to, you know, want

820
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: you guys to start, you know, endorsing my shoes apparel

821
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: at the time.

822
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: And it was it was all love. Man.

823
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 3: We got all the y'all know, we get, we get,

824
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: We get the stuff before everybody get it. And you know,

825
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: you walk on the court, your pony might not like it,

826
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: but they gonna check.

827
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 8: Out your the were you the way you were? Yeah, man, man,

828
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 8: you were you were one of the best. You want

829
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 8: the best the word now, Yeah, but.

830
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: It was good.

831
00:40:59,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 7: It was.

832
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: It's it's good love, bro.

833
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: I know what I want to ask, because you get

834
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 4: basically every pair of Jay's right, is it a pair

835
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 4: of your particular pes or is it one of these

836
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: pairs of these crazy rare kicks out here.

837
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: I don't know which one.

838
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: It could be the eminem for the elevens or whichever

839
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 4: ones that you got. It's like rare. What's your favorite

840
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: pairs you got? Well it might be a championship pair.

841
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: So I got a couple. I mean, the original original

842
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Levens is my favorite shoe of all time with the

843
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: black and the panelet of black with the concords.

844
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 5: Concord that's my guy.

845
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: Favorite of all time. I always thought you can back

846
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: in the day. You know people are doing it now

847
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: where Jay's with suits. Back in the day, I was like,

848
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: you know, you could, you could wear you can wear suits,

849
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 3: and I always thought that was that was real cool.

850
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: So those have always been one of my favorites.

851
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

852
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 4: As far as pees, I see he has some orange

853
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 4: and white ones like that with the blackest pat and level.

854
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: He had the orange zon when he went to Cleveland.

855
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: I was very envious.

856
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: Those are one of.

857
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: The pairs of shoes that I that he had that

858
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: I never had a chance to touch, and I wish.

859
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: When I went to Phoenix, they gave.

860
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: Me them an orange and white, but like he had

861
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 4: the orange and white eleven fucking cheat.

862
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: They made They made me think. That made me think

863
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: of they made me some green and white ones elevens

864
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: when we went to the Green uniforms, Uh, they were

865
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: green and gray. Those are sweet, So those those have

866
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: to be up there too.

867
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 4: It's weird though, because nobody see them, like you know,

868
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 4: green kind.

869
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: Of like to throw back Derek Harper joints they made.

870
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: They made a shoe a tribute to Obama too, uh

871
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: Jordan for President Obama, but he came to President I

872
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: wore him like one time when I was in San Antonio.

873
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: I still have them and I was like, whenever I

874
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: meet President, I'm having sign So the plan was win

875
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: a championship, take the shoes, and have them sign them.

876
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: But I never got a chance. So if he's watching this,

877
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: I need you to sign by.

878
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 5: Jays straight up, straight up.

879
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: Like you definitely part of you, the original crew.

880
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: No, like for like even for us, like when we

881
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: came on and got got down with it, like obviously

882
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: y'all was already who y'all were, but like when we

883
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: got that car, it was like what the yo? And

884
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: like you know, we didn't did photo shoots and stuff together.

885
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 4: Like that was like for us, like growing up under y'all,

886
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: seeing y'all at hoops, getting a chance to be a

887
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: part of it's like, dude, like I tell like me

888
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: and him talk about all the time, and we said

889
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: that when we had Juwan on here.

890
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: Like for me especially like me mcgetty. You know, me

891
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: and mcgetty. Same year.

892
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: We came up under y'all. So like him, d Miles,

893
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: Me and mcgetty, we come to the gym. You and

894
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: Nuke was the example. And when I say that, it

895
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: wasn't from like all the dude to that gym that

896
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: hoops was ballers, you know what I'm saying, Like everybody

897
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: had game, They game was respected. You wasn't really there

898
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: if it wasn't, you know what I'm saying, Like we

899
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: had killers, but like we looked up to y'all in

900
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: a different way. Like you know I always laugh to

901
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: Mike Lorry, you know what I'm saying, Like I told

902
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: New the same thing, but like for real, it was

903
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: like cause y'all was them dudes as hoopers, as individuals,

904
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, as humans, Like y'all showed us,

905
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, y'all showed us the

906
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: right way to move, Like be a good person, do

907
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: the right thing, ball the fuck out, work your ass off.

908
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Handle your business.

909
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: Y'all was an example, like you could be good and

910
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: be positive and still be cool as ever and still

911
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: be welcome. Weve and do what you want whatever. So

912
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 4: I always, especially having you here, I did the same

913
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: thing we had new But I gotta go overboard with

914
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 4: letting y'all know that, cause y'all definitely set that example

915
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 4: for me and showed me what can happen.

916
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you thinking about.

917
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Like your experience with Hoops, Like how was hoops for

918
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, getting that that work in every summer?

919
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: How did it help you out?

920
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: And you know, to see the young guys like us

921
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: coming through that and trying to beat up on you

922
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: old guys, it was, it was, It was great.

923
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was the best run in

924
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: the country because you know what you had was you

925
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: had you had guys who was coming in to work, right,

926
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: guys who who didn't take the summers for granted. You know,

927
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: they wanted to get better. And you know, Hoop Hoops

928
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: did it have it? Had it had you a chance

929
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: to work against some of the best. And you know,

930
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: you you may you may want to try some stuff

931
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 3: that you might try to take over to the season,

932
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: but you you're playing against the best. And for me

933
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: and I know for Juwan, we always wanted to get

934
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: there early before you guys.

935
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: For one, we.

936
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: Wanted to get our work out in before y'all come

937
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: in and be jumping out the gym and stuff. But two,

938
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: we wanted to show y'all what it means to be

939
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: a professional, right, be a professional. It's not just because

940
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: you signed an NBA contract, being a professionalist, taking your

941
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: craft seriously, you know, coming here early, stand late, and

942
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: for us, you know, the runs was just just like

943
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: icing on the cake. And to see you guys, I

944
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: mean to see from where y'all started. I'm not even

945
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: talking about the NBA. To see y'all from where y'all started,

946
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: and then to see where y'all not talking about them

947
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: coming to the hoops like four or five, six years later,

948
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: that development has been great. And I was like, yeah,

949
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: these guys got a chance because I saw the I

950
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: saw the hard work. I saw the push that y'all was.

951
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: Y'all had to do this the summer Chicago. You know,

952
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: we don't have to. We did get.

953
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you this when we did, like

954
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 4: this is way later even down line, but like when

955
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: I like, if we had got to do different stuff

956
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: for we was put in the ass together.

957
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: But when we you remember, we.

958
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: Did the hardwood join in Vegas, the like that was

959
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: dope to me. That was like for me, it was like, yo,

960
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: I'm here, I'm with the homies, I'm with it, like

961
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 4: it was it was real you you know what I'm saying.

962
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: It was.

963
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 4: Then it was like some of the new guys CP

964
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: and Joe and Mellow. But it was like that was

965
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: one of the doper shoots that I feel like we

966
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: had because it was like we never did them with

967
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: all of us together, will always be like two or

968
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: three here out there, and then they put it all together.

969
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: Like for me, that was like that whole little weekend

970
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: was just sick. Like you know what I'm saying. It

971
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: was like, Yo, we got in Vegas, they got us

972
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: at the at the hard Rock with all these crazy rooms,

973
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: and then it's like we in the Swedes.

974
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: We got those dope ass Dominoes.

975
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: I still got them Dominoes to this day, dope ass

976
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: Jordan Dominoes.

977
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: Bro.

978
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 4: Like it was just like that was what I always

979
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: loved about the bring. I felt like we did stuff

980
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: that I didn't hear that nobody else was doing, Like

981
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: the experiences and everything that you got to do, like

982
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: you you didn't get that nowhere but like that particular shoot,

983
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: I remember feeling like, yeah, this shit colled, like and

984
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: then the like what came after it, Like, bro.

985
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: It's about it. It's about a picture about as big

986
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 2: as this wall.

987
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 4: And we got then you got like your little solo soop,

988
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 4: but you got the whole joint with the whole cool

989
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 4: y'all had on black suits. It's like Ray Fan, CP, Joe,

990
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: Josh Howard, me now Lo.

991
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: It was like hello dudes, and I was like, Yo,

992
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: this is sick man. It was nice. I got that

993
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: posting at my house on the wall. Yeah, I got

994
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: people hut of my house.

995
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: They that's the first thing they stopped and look like

996
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: he ain't look at that man, all those people all

997
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: y'all's with.

998
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 4: Jordano was like, yeah, it's big. I still ain't put

999
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: mine up. I gotta find like where I really put

1000
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: up cause it's like a big ass focal point piece.

1001
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: It's big. Bro.

1002
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Some of my favorite highlights that you got is the

1003
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: hop step.

1004
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 5: In the lane.

1005
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: Boom, like which you did it a couple of times

1006
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: more than a couple of times.

1007
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 5: Which one of the ones is your favorite?

1008
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: That's hard, oh man? Which one of the dunk owns

1009
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: is your favorite?

1010
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I would probably say.

1011
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: I had a lot. I got the Kimbe, I got,

1012
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: uh who else I get? I think my favorite will

1013
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: probably be old in polonies. I got them twice the

1014
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: same way, and it was in the playoffs. And if

1015
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: you go back and look at the hoglights on my

1016
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: second one, I let everybody know that's that.

1017
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: That was twice. You know.

1018
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: Oh there was a great dude, still a great dude,

1019
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: but he always tried to challenge me, and I felt

1020
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: if I got two feet under me, I don't think

1021
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: nobody couldn't stop my dunks.

1022
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: I know you was a Jordan fanetic like we all were.

1023
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: But who are some of the other guys that you've seen?

1024
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: And you grew up watching that she was trying to

1025
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: pat in your game.

1026
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so MJ. Obviously back in the day, I'm showing

1027
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: my age now. My uncle we used to watch Doctor

1028
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: J where we had to watch it at ten thirty.

1029
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 5: The game they replayed pre broadcast.

1030
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 3: So I was always a Doctor J fan. I love Dominique,

1031
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: you know magic I was. I was just I was.

1032
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: I was a fan of who guys, not only the

1033
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 3: great guys, but guys who When I watch them. They

1034
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: had a passion about the way they played the game.

1035
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: You know, like Magic was always smile and having fun.

1036
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 3: You know, Dominique was an elite scorer and Dunker I like, man,

1037
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 3: and you look at guys like you know, even Scottie Pippen.

1038
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 3: You know, even though to saw him he was like

1039
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: the second fiddle to MJ. But he was very important

1040
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: to that.

1041
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 5: To the real bull fan. We know how Scotty was really.

1042
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Important to them getting them six rings, and you know,

1043
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: just growing up watching that, it was like those guys,

1044
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, And then the crazy thing about it,

1045
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: we get a chance to play with them at hoops

1046
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: m J.

1047
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: Scotty.

1048
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: That's what I was about to bring up, the fact

1049
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna take you to a place where TG

1050
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: I used to work on this one move that I know.

1051
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: It was a Scottie Pippen move one hundred percent, but

1052
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 4: Finn was doing it. You tell me if you me,

1053
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: I know, you remember if you get to the lane,

1054
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 4: it's a two foot step and it's the love.

1055
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: It's like a jump.

1056
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: Huge.

1057
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Scotty was killing at it, was killing at it.

1058
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: And TG said, Q, Rich, you gotta get this because

1059
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: like the way that I'm able to post up and

1060
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 4: I got a power game, so it was perfect for

1061
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: me when I get there and do different.

1062
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: Thing and I could just raise up left for I

1063
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: had like.

1064
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: When I started when he started showing it to me,

1065
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: because like Fenn did to me a time or two,

1066
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 4: boom boom boom, like that was nice. But he definitely

1067
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: taught me that all from Hoo's being there going again.

1068
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: But that was what I loved about who like me

1069
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: and mcghetti walking in the door seniors in high school,

1070
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 4: we gotta see him pill and stock House Penny was

1071
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: coming through still like it was stupid and you know

1072
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: how how TG did it? He ain't you ain't about

1073
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: to No, you and Corey can't play each other. He

1074
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: gonna make us guard Damn. Yeah, were about.

1075
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: To get WOA out the whole time.

1076
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna throw you in the fire. In the hoops.

1077
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't no, it wasn't no favoritism.

1078
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: Only favoritism. He showed us.

1079
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 1: If you played with each other in the league, y'all

1080
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: can play together.

1081
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, doing the hoops. But if you didn't play

1082
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 5: with each other, nah, we got against each other.

1083
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: It was good. I mean that run people don't understand

1084
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: how good that run was.

1085
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: Man.

1086
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 5: I mean the two court days.

1087
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: The two court days used to be so competitive because

1088
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: nobody want to be on the right side. If I

1089
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: want to be in the middle court, you gotta wins.

1090
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: Start bench cut. You gotta start one. You gotta bench one.

1091
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: You gotta cut one, uh d Wade, ray Allen, alan Ibson, respectful.

1092
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: Right now, Oh man, you gotta start.

1093
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 5: One, bench one to cut one.

1094
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, this is come on.

1095
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Trade one. Can't cut off, man. No great players like

1096
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: to have a trade one.

1097
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 3: If I had to start one, I'm gonna pick Alan Iverson. Man,

1098
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: that's one of my favorite players of all time. Uh Ai.

1099
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: I tell people he's not from the earth. Man, the

1100
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: dude is an alien. To do the stuff that he

1101
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: was doing at six two, yeah, no, six feet, I'm helping,

1102
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: that's my boy.

1103
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm giving it. But to do the stuff that he

1104
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: was doing, man, it's unbelievable.

1105
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: Man.

1106
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 3: He was an elite score and one of the best

1107
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: athletes in the league. So I would probably pick him

1108
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: as my starter. Now I gotta bend somebody. Yeah, oh trouble,

1109
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 3: oh man, Rayo d Wade, I'm a bench Jesus or

1110
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: the Flash. Well you Milwaukee Buck. Yeah, I'm I'm a

1111
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: bench Ray. I think I think Ray is is cool

1112
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: enough to understand his role. He won't be a problem.

1113
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: He'll come off the bench and still give us twenty

1114
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: five thirty. So I'm a bench Ray, And you say

1115
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: I got I'm gonna trade d Wade only only because

1116
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 3: he's gonna go somewhere else and be the star.

1117
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I accept that. Let me ask you another one.

1118
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of old school right here. Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller,

1119
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: Clyde Drexler start bench cut.

1120
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1121
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start Mitch. I like Mitch. Mitch was underrated,

1122
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: true to guard. It was a true two guard. You know,

1123
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: six five sixty six strong bucket, can can shoot it,

1124
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: drive it, post up. That was a true two guard

1125
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: back in the day. So I probably start him. I'm

1126
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 3: a bench. I'm a bench Reggie Miller. You know, it's

1127
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: just I have no choice. I love Reggie, one of

1128
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: the best shooters clud shooters in the history of the game.

1129
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: But if I had, if that's my choice, I would Clyde.

1130
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: No.

1131
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I probably bench and then Clyde trade him. I'm gonna

1132
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut Clyde.

1133
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, that's that's that's going back to the

1134
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: trail Blazer's days when I was a Bulls fan.

1135
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: So I feel me, but I still got love for

1136
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: Clyde straight up.

1137
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 5: What uh? Who are your favorite five?

1138
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Like, not your top five, but just your favorite basketball

1139
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: players in the history of the game.

1140
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 5: Who is your favorite?

1141
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: Probably Michael Jordan's Alan Iverson, Uh, Shaquille O'Neill, uh, doctor

1142
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: j and uh probably uh uh oh, that's tough. I'll

1143
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: probably put Pipping up there. I knew he was gonna say. Scotty.

1144
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.

1145
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: You know, I love Scott.

1146
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm Chicago throwing through.

1147
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: It was like Scott, that's starting the team off. Then

1148
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the rest of these.

1149
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: Those guys they did a lot.

1150
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 3: They did a lot for me as a player, even

1151
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: when I just watching them, Man, it was it was excitement.

1152
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: Like our our our days was based around watching the

1153
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: Bulls games on Channel nine. You know, to do what

1154
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: get your homework done, the Bulls player seven. You got

1155
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: to get your workout, your practice, get home for practice.

1156
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: And we got tell people when you're from Illinois, you

1157
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: watch all eighty two games. You don't miss a game

1158
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: like I don't need to be on I'm watching the games.

1159
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: That ain't you get them all?

1160
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: It was? It was, it was good.

1161
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, my man, he hadn't had enough brink struck back

1162
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 4: stuff into the driveway. This is what I want to know,

1163
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: Mike Finn. I don't listen. We didn't seen what you

1164
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: pull up to the to the to the gym with.

1165
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: We don't want to hear about you taking care of

1166
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: mama and the family and doing good things. But I

1167
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: won't hear about the purchase you made because you have

1168
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 4: made a lot of the narrows.

1169
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: You got a couple of big contracts in the league.

1170
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: We know I won't know what you did to treat

1171
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: yourself that.

1172
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: Now the mature older Mike Finn looked back like I

1173
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: probably had to do that, but it felt good to

1174
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: do it.

1175
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: Like what what did? What did Mike Finn? Do?

1176
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: You from West Side Chicago? I know you did some

1177
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: little flousy once or twice.

1178
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean I bought some very expensive cars, right.

1179
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 5: Mike Lowry.

1180
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: This is why him and Juwan Howard owned the nickname,

1181
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 4: because everybody and Hoops had nice cars.

1182
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 2: They was pulled up in something nice.

1183
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: But these two was the only two individuals outside the MJ.

1184
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 4: You know, if MJ ever showed up, we already know

1185
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: what that was. But like they was most similar to MJ.

1186
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 5: Go ahead.

1187
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: I had bought a.

1188
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: I had bought an Aston martin Vanquish and nobody had it, no,

1189
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: not even MJ. Right, so I pull up the hoops

1190
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: and I parked in the parking lot. I sung the

1191
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: MJ go get it, you know, but I knew I

1192
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: had some because MJ came out and said let me

1193
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: sit inside.

1194
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 9: I got ad come get I was like yes, tiger

1195
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 9: fists like, let me sit inside, and I was like, man, looked.

1196
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: He was like all right. He's like, well where your

1197
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: golf clubs go? I said, I'll just put him on

1198
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: the passenger side with me. He's like, this is nice.

1199
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: When he said that, I was like, okay, I got

1200
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: something that man.

1201
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you.

1202
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: That's a bar right there and be able to say

1203
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 4: that you legit. I know you wouldn't have got that.

1204
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 4: Motherfucker got two or twenty three time out. The fact

1205
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: that you could tell a story where you say, m J,

1206
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: can you and said let me see the inside because

1207
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: he's he ain't sitting. Boy, are you cold?

1208
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 2: I'm like Lowry over here in the building right now.

1209
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 4: You like, you're in the front office in Dallas, steadily

1210
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: continuing to show the growth as a former player and

1211
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 4: showing guys how to do it. How have you liked

1212
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 4: your transition and how much of impact and help as

1213
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 4: as Cuban been in supporting you and your you know,

1214
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 4: post NBA career, because I know he's been great with

1215
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: with with the former players and guys that he's had

1216
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 4: with the organization.

1217
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: Right, it's been great. You know.

1218
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: Mark, you know, gave me opportunity to stay close to

1219
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: the game. He always said, you know, once we had

1220
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: a we had a conversation once I was done that

1221
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, I can come back and be a part,

1222
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, of the of the Mavericks and whatever I

1223
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: wanted to do, whether it was coaching, scouting or the

1224
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: front office. And I thought the front office would be

1225
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: best for me. So I'm mad props to Mark for

1226
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: giving me this opportunity. But being in the front office

1227
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: coming from playing, the biggest thing is, you know, as players,

1228
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: we think we know everything, like we think what should

1229
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: be going on that the front office isn't doing like

1230
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: we we we got all the answers, but once I

1231
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: got on the other side, it's not that easy, man,

1232
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: It's not. It's not that easiest and one plus one

1233
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: to get to it's it's it's it's more algebra to

1234
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 3: it than that, you know what I mean. And it's

1235
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 3: been a it's been a great experience. And what I

1236
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: like about it is I like the fact that I

1237
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: didn't know everything. So I'm still learning, still trying to

1238
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: improve to be the best that I can at my

1239
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: front office position. Cause with that that keeps me hungry

1240
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: each and every year, each and every day to get

1241
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: better and hopefully I can get to a point where

1242
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: I can put Dallas on the map as one of

1243
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 3: the best front officers.

1244
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: In the league.

1245
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, part of that is realizing what you

1246
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: don't know, like you say about you saying that you

1247
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: notice you don't know it at all and it is

1248
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: bigger than what you thought it was. That's that's partially

1249
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 4: part of it. So I was on that side. Like

1250
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: you said, it ain't easy. It's definitely hard.

1251
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: It's a lot going on over there.

1252
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: How how is it to have well, he's your balls

1253
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: for both ways. But how is it to have like

1254
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: a an owner like Cuban and play for him and

1255
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, now you know, he's like your boss in

1256
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: the front office on that Like Mark Cuban is one

1257
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: of the most unique, Yeah owners in the league, you know,

1258
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: probably the most popular one, you know in the league.

1259
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: So how is it the Mark Cuban and being around

1260
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban and playing for him and now.

1261
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, playing for him, it was you know,

1262
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 3: you he had a passion for the game, like a

1263
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: passion like like you don't see in most owners, Like

1264
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: he wanted to be a part of the game. If

1265
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: he can go out there and set a screen or

1266
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: get a rebound, he would do it. Yeah, he would

1267
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: do it because he just really loves the game and

1268
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: he loves Dallas that much. And you know, playing form,

1269
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: you had to get used to him being like right

1270
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: there next to the bench like he was the at

1271
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 3: the time, he was the sixteenth man.

1272
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you don't talk to owners or even see

1273
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 5: him right.

1274
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: So he was there.

1275
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: He was arguing at the refs, uh, you know, trying

1276
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 3: to encourage us on the bench, you know, sometimes getting yeah,

1277
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: getting a lot of fun. He could afford it. But uh,

1278
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: you know sometime, you know, the refs took it out

1279
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 3: on us because they didn't like some of the stuff

1280
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: that Mark was was saying. But you know, you kind

1281
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 3: of got used to it as a player because his

1282
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 3: passion and fire and desire was was unbelievable. But he

1283
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 3: has that same passion now that I'm working for him

1284
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: in the front office. You know, it just comes. It

1285
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: comes in a different way. What we were seeing on

1286
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,959
Speaker 3: the court, now we see it when we're discussing uh deals, uh,

1287
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: free agency, trades, draft across the table. He has that

1288
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: same passion and desire and what I like about him

1289
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: he gives you a chance to like, he's not gonna

1290
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: he's not gonna force feeds you to answers. He's gonna say, okay,

1291
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: let me let me hear what you have to say,

1292
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 3: and then you say your spell and then he's like,

1293
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 3: well this is how I'll see it. Then it's a

1294
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: it's a it's a comfortable debate about a different issue.

1295
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 3: He's willing to listen. So that's been great.

1296
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: Earlier we had a range assassin on here. C Jven Colin,

1297
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: you're a mid range assassin, like the fourteen fifteen. Oh,

1298
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: let's just just cash running. Tell us about how you

1299
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: developed that. I feel like that was the most key

1300
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: part of your game. Is the mid range?

1301
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, I think it's a lost art because

1302
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: the way the game is being played now. But I

1303
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: think the mid range shot it sets up every other

1304
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: shot to me, because you can't like if I if

1305
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm behind the three point line, you can some you

1306
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: can back up, but if I'm in the mid range area,

1307
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: you can't back up. And if you get too close,

1308
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: I can drive by you. So I think that sets

1309
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: up all other moves. And when I worked out, that

1310
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: was that's that's why I based my workout song was

1311
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 3: the mid range shot, because like I said, you can

1312
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: get everything off that you can. You can get to

1313
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: the basket, you can, you know, get separation with a

1314
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: step back, you can, you can find ways to get

1315
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 3: filed and all that was based on the mid range.

1316
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: But if you don't have confidence in your mid range shot,

1317
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: or defender's going to know that. So but if you

1318
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: got confidence in that shot that you can knock it

1319
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 3: down nine out of ten times, that sets up all

1320
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: your moves. So that was a big part of my development.

1321
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: Was was being very consistent at the mid range shots.

1322
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: This ain't really a question or no.

1323
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 4: It's more of a statement for the sneaky community out there,

1324
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 4: because I feel like my o G his his his

1325
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 4: shoe game, his pee game, and everything involved with Jordan

1326
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 4: is one of the most slept on. Definitely, they don't understand,

1327
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying because like when you know

1328
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 4: when you I'll give them this, I always say when

1329
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: they when anybody asked me who got the best pie,

1330
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: I always say Ray. I say that because two things.

1331
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: It's two reasons you and both of y'all know that

1332
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 4: y'all was both part of the brand life he had.

1333
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 4: He had postseason runs that you knew were coming, right,

1334
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 4: so they were prepared for it.

1335
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: You feel me.

1336
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: Like when he was a Boston in Miami, the brand

1337
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 4: absolutely knew that they were coming.

1338
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: Then he also had championships.

1339
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 4: That were able to be you know, like crystallized by

1340
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 4: the next ring ceremony. They get some crazy shit, so

1341
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 4: like Ray is on some other shit. So Ray is

1342
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 4: over there. You feel me for real, But like, don't sleep.

1343
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 4: Finn was a part of the original team. He has

1344
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 4: never ceased receiving the greatness of all the Jumpman gifts.

1345
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: I know his wife like mine.

1346
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 4: Spieses the packages and show up at the door and

1347
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 4: just look at us with discuss like where are they going?

1348
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: What are they doing?

1349
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: I want to ask you that too, because you know,

1350
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: we're all Jordan Brand guys, and you got to find

1351
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: somewhere to put these joints shit.

1352
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: So and it ain't never desist. They ain't never stopped.

1353
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: They ain't never stopped with you and you about twenty

1354
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: years deep, probably twenty two years region.

1355
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: This is what I'm thinking about. Twenty three years in

1356
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: the very beginning.

1357
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: You got a mansion or like a little house, or

1358
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: like you just built the whole shed.

1359
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: They got they got their own little room. I'm trying

1360
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: to tell people, it's it's off to the side, you need,

1361
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: you need a thumb print to get in there.

1362
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 5: Straight up.

1363
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: It's status you feel exclusively. But it's you.

1364
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: Know, like you said, I just those shoes become overwhelming

1365
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: to to the family, like they don't understand, not to us,

1366
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: not to us. When I see them, thinks I'm like,

1367
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: this is Christmas man, just like the first past man.

1368
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I can come in the house. I see them.

1369
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: I dropped my back everything, let me opening the boxes.

1370
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's it's a great feeling.

1371
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean, m J.

1372
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: He takes care of you know, all his athletes, and

1373
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: I'll be forever grateful to him and the Brown you know,

1374
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: it's shout out Jordan b.

1375
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 4: No no questions, no offens. But about the best part

1376
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: about it for me now bar none. It's not even me.

1377
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 4: It's I get to give my kids them shoes. And

1378
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 4: the best part about it to me is that they

1379
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 4: are clueless. They have no clue that they going to

1380
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 4: school killing them chicks that ain't even have yet. They

1381
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 4: don't even know Like I got my I used to

1382
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 4: give you a q J and I got.

1383
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: Them talking about flavors.

1384
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 4: We got flavor, but they don't understand that, Like well, y'all,

1385
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 4: these just don't come out for two three months, like

1386
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: you know what I'm say, Like when they really get

1387
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 4: to that age, like my step son, like Caleb, he's seventeen,

1388
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 4: he knows he tried to this God down. He all

1389
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 4: like all this, let me get there, let me get through,

1390
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 4: let me get the twols you got on he got

1391
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 4: them like he losing it. So he know but eight

1392
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 4: six and four five. They don't got no clue. They

1393
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 4: just like look cruisy or rather wear some some some

1394
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 4: Spider Man shoes on my ass and some James.

1395
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: Crocs my crop. You in Florida, you gotta get caught.

1396
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: You can't wear it like that.

1397
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: I did not know they made crocks in size.

1398
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 3: Twenty take two off that they made crocks and all

1399
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: side they.

1400
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 5: Got crock heels. Now they do.

1401
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: I seen them.

1402
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,520
Speaker 1: Hey, look ask you this, like, where did you get

1403
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: to the I always wanted to ask you, where did

1404
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: you get the man?

1405
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 5: Tuck my shirt b B.

1406
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: Like everything be good and it's I never seen when

1407
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: I see you play it never fall out.

1408
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 5: You never look like looking like we just left.

1409
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 4: On our micl my shirt shirt.

1410
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: You used to be so much to the t on

1411
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: the other person. I see like this as Mike, like

1412
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: where did you get that from? What made you just

1413
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: do this? Every single time I'm going, this is Tuck right,

1414
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm presented.

1415
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: I would get credits to my mom. You know, my

1416
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: mom was old school dressers coordinate everything from the shoes

1417
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 3: to the to the purse to the hat. You know,

1418
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: but I always I just I won't always want to

1419
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: be neat, and it just seemed like I think my mom,

1420
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean maybe been at a young ass. She was like,

1421
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 3: tuck your shirt in, boy, you look sloppy. And ever

1422
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 3: since then, I just tuck it in. And even when

1423
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: I tuck it in, I don't like the creases on

1424
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: the shirt to be like bungled up.

1425
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 5: And you got to tuck in right way. It can't

1426
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 5: be just like.

1427
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 4: Oh boy had a perfect like a referee with a

1428
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 4: wristle talking.

1429
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: Like hey, I got that, I got that.

1430
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: My fan talk in my son, my son, my son thirteen.

1431
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: He give me a hard time. He's like, why why

1432
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 3: you got your shirt off tucked in like that?

1433
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: He looked uncomfortable. I was like, no, man, you gotta

1434
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: be neat.

1435
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 3: Like nah, It's like he's like he want to take

1436
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 3: his shirt out and let it hang.

1437
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, man, that looks sloppy.

1438
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: Ethics going to San Antonio playing for a coach, like,

1439
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: how was it playing for a coach like Pop? And

1440
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: now you're in the role of you playing behind you know,

1441
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, so like how was that for you as

1442
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: an adjustment?

1443
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? First of all, Pop man, Papa is Papa is

1444
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: unbelievable man, not only as a coach but as a person,

1445
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 3: and we had a relationship when I first got there,

1446
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: he knew that, you know, it was it was. It

1447
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: was a difficult situation for me because I'm coming from

1448
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: the rival to to the to the to the other

1449
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: side and we had just been playing. So you know,

1450
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 3: the best thing that Pop said to me, I remember

1451
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: my first practice, I'm going at them because.

1452
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: They still his.

1453
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: Filing hard going to the basket. I'm going like I'm

1454
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 3: playing against him. Pop, time out time, Finn, you with us? Now?

1455
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: You with us? Now?

1456
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: That was That was one of the best things he said.

1457
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 3: And another thing he told me, he said, uh once

1458
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 3: he told me that.

1459
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: I was like cool.

1460
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 3: So then I was trying to fit in right, Like

1461
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: I said, I'm coming off the bench, I'm playing behind you,

1462
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: noble future Hall of Fame, which was cool because my

1463
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 3: ultimate goal was to win a championship. But I was

1464
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 3: playing too much team ball, like I was passing up shots,

1465
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: trying to make the right pass, not wanting to be

1466
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: a selfish guy. So I remember one practice, Pap was like, hey, guys,

1467
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 3: Finn has the green light. He can shoot whenever he wants,

1468
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: and nobody says anything, knowing that I'm not going to

1469
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: do that, but he wanted to let me know that

1470
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: you can be yourself. Brought you here to be yourself,

1471
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 3: not just to to fit in, but be yourself at

1472
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: the same time. And you know that was that was

1473
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: the greatest thing. And to this day, Man Pop has

1474
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: done a lot for me just outside of basketball. He's

1475
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 3: just like that, that calm in the storm where you

1476
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 3: could just go talk about life. Like our first five minutes,

1477
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 3: about our first five minutes before every practice was Yo,

1478
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 3: did you watch CNN this morning? Did you see what's

1479
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 3: going on in Pakistan? Or do you see what's going

1480
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 3: on in Europe? What's your thoughts? We ain't even talk basketball,

1481
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 3: so we talk about that for the first five minutes

1482
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: and he's like, Okay, go get warmed up. See that

1483
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 3: was his thing. His whole thing was life is more

1484
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: than just basketball. It's more it's more to life than

1485
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: just basketball. You can yeah this this this is a

1486
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 3: well paying job, don't get me wrong, but it's also

1487
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 3: a vehicle where you can you can make a change.

1488
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: You can you can see the world, you can you

1489
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: can be a difference maker. So take advantage of that, son, Pop,

1490
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: Man Papa, Papa is the best.

1491
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 4: Listen, nothing is enough, man. We're gonna let Mike out

1492
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 4: of here.

1493
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1494
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 4: I og then blessed us with his presence. Man, that

1495
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 4: that's when it's taking me over the tower. He had

1496
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 4: a car. I asked him my vanquish that MJ hadn't

1497
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 4: seen inside of Yeah, you got it, you got it, man.

1498
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 4: All is left to do is for us to thank

1499
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 4: you for coming out. You know what I'm saying. We

1500
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 4: and we and we we on the road. We can't

1501
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 4: So we got a little that's collector's edition and man

1502
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 4: they got they got your boys.

1503
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: On the back. Yeah, y'all have made it. Yeah, you

1504
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And we appreciate you. Man.

1505
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 4: We got Mike fin shot Towns fine us in the building.

1506
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 6: Man.

1507
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: That ain't nothing else to be said.

1508
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 4: Man, knuckleheads got the vs O P on deck.

1509
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: I just want to say one thing, man, and you

1510
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 3: can tape this or whatever. I just want to say,

1511
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you guys, man, because, like I said,

1512
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 3: to see where y'all came from to where y'all are now,

1513
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: and the journey in between hasn't been smooth. It's been

1514
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: up and down but you guys have been going this way,

1515
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 3: and I'm very proud to say I was there at

1516
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: the beginning, I'm here at the end and to see

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Speaker 3: where y'all have grown as young black men, I'm very

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Speaker 3: very proud of.

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Speaker 1: Appreciative, appreciate, definitely, definitely definitely appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Definitely appreciate it that's to come from you man. Definitely

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Speaker 5: appreciate it that.

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Speaker 4: That's how og y'all might Finn Knuckleheads, You're yes.

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Speaker 2: Sir, all right.

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Speaker 7: We want to thank y'all for your continued support of

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Speaker 7: the podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to

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Speaker 7: and join our Knuckleheads Facebook group or exclusive content. Thanks

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Speaker 7: again to all of our guests and fans, this wouldn't

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Speaker 7: be possible without y'all.

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