1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Hey, we welcome in Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball, 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: the all Basketball podcast, all the time, and um, you 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: can listen to The Doug Gotlid Show weekdays three to 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: six Eastern time, twelve to three Pacific on Fox Sports 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: Radio or Fox Sports Radio dot Com. You can stream 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: us or the I Heart Radio app. Let's Um, we'll 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: get to name and likeness stuff in a second. We'll 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: get to the G League deal in a second. I 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: want to give a quick kind of synopsis review of 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: episodes three and four of the Last of the Last Dance. Um, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: but the Denis drivement thing is interesting. I mean, it 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: appears at this time as though they're not gonna talk 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: about Jordan's gambling, which you know, and whether or not 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: that caused him to I have to and if he's 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: suspended from the league. That was the the like the 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: old rumor, which I don't believe to be true. But 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: I think that by not talking about it, I think 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: it's a hard deal. Right. If you talk about it, 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: you validated as well. This is a legitimate rumor out there. 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: But if you don't talk about it, now, it's all 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: hold on, are you not talking about it? Because? Um, 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: because you you you you're shying away from it because 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna say say something that's live, that's a provable lie, 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: or if you just don't bring it up, you hope 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: that it goes away. Very difficult, But the third and 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: fourth episodes they give you a lot more Dennis Robbin 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: and a lot more Phil Jackson. Let me start with Rodman, 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know obviously, like the Rodman personality stuff 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: is interesting, and the trip to Vegas I actually think 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: speaks more to Phil and it is something that pat 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Riley would do, but kind of differently than the way 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Phil did it. There's some similarities there. But um, the 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Robin thing is amazing because I don't know if we'll 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: have a guy like that. I mean, the idea that 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: you have two players on this team, you know that 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: when they won seventy two games, you're talking about the 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, at the time, the greatest team in the 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: history of the sport. One in Scottie Pippen, who was 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: a man, an equipment manager and an n A n 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: ai A school, and Dennis Robin, who's a from nowhere 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: Southeast Oklahoma state. Like this, it's incredible. Rodman, of all 42 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: the guys who. I think all three of Jordan's, Pippin Rodman, 43 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: their games would absolutely translate to today. Coo coach Wood 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: as well, by the way, Cuck coach Wood as well. Um, 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: we can talk about Jordan's three point shooting or whatever, 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: but if you take people out of the lane the 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: way they do now, I just and especially early in 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: George's career, where you could not keep him in front 49 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: of you, you couldn't and and was his you know, 50 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: like like his last year he's got from three. But 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: it's just such a hard comparison because just the volume 52 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: of practice takes and makes are so different. Jordan did 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: shoot a low line drive, but I mean, look, he 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: wasn't a great shooter when he entered the league. And 55 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: he made himself into the best perimeter shooter that he 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: made himself into the best post score and he was 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: always a walking bucket. So I don't you know, you 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: want to say he was never a great three point 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: shooter and so he wouldn't be a great three point 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: shooter today. Brook Lopez made himself into three point shooter. 61 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: Why couldn't Michael Jordan's right Scottie Pippen be a great 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: hybrid player? I mean he imagined Scotty Pippen at the 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: one through four right now, which is kind of what 64 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: he did. And but then the Dennis Rodman thing, like, look, 65 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: what makes Draymond Green special is he could guard positions 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: one through five. That was Dennis Rodman. Now, would he 67 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: have gotten overpowered by Shack? Sure, absolutely everybody be overpowered 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: by shack, but now there are no there aren't shacks. 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: And the way in which the game is played out, 70 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean that guy would be as or even you know, honestly, 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: maybe even more successful. Granted couldn't score and not really 72 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: a roll to the rim, throw it up to him, 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: finished guy. But if you watch tape of Dennis Robin 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: when he played with the Detroit Pistons, and you know, 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: when you played with the Bulls, the ability to guard 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: five positions he was. He was way ahead of the 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Draymond Greens of this world in being a small ball five. 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: So I'm obviously a huge Rodman fan, like I think 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: he is a profoundly impactful player. And to anyone who 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: it's like, look, I know Draymond somehow has become this 81 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: version of Rodman. Draymond is far better off the court, 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: right and in terms of does not have nearly the 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: issues of Roben, but he's also far less effective on 84 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: the basketball floor. There's a reason that everywhere Rodman went 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: in the NBA they won, and not maybe not the 86 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: Mavericks late in his career, but for the most part 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: everywhere they went. And one because he competed, he could 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: really really rebound, he knew his role. He was an 89 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: ego list player on offense and just a tenacious rebound 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: or defender and could guard any position on defense. I mean, 91 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: we're kind of really amazing. A good fit, maybe not 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the perfect fit, but a good fit for how the 93 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: Bulls played and their ability to managem Which brings you 94 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: to Phil Jackson, and I do think that Phil the 95 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: triangle gets Maybe it's because people don't understand it, they 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: haven't seen implemented. I'm a believer that a lot of 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: guys that broadcast the NBA um they have some sort 98 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: of obviously you know Van Gundy and Mark Jackson maybe 99 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: not as much so, but a lot of them don't 100 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: have the desire to give credit to coaching and coaching spacing, 101 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: because that's what the offense is really about. If you're 102 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: listening to all of all, you're a basketball guy, you 103 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: know that you might know a little bit about the triangle. 104 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: The triangle though the way that text Winner would implement 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: it is really a mindset in that you never come 106 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: between fifty closer than fift eighteen feet to a teammate 107 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: unless you're gonna screen for them, or unless you're cutting right. 108 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: And so you learn that when you warm up and 109 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: you spread out in lines, every line is fifteen eighteen 110 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: feet from each other, and when you walk out, the 111 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: next guy doesn't go until you're fifteen. So you're just constantly, uh, 112 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: getting it pounded into your head. This is how far 113 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I stay away from teammates. And the idea is, if 114 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: help comes, if a double team comes, you have a 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: perfectly spaced teammate to make the easy pass to him 116 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: and a clear read so that he can catch and 117 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: shoot the basketball. And that's what worked for the Bulls, 118 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: that's what worked for Jordan's. Jordan was not as skilled 119 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: a passer obviously as Magic or Bird or Lebron, but 120 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: they made the reads so very easy for him. And 121 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: then the other players, you know, figured out where they 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: were supposed to be and what shots they were supposed 123 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: to work on. And that's how Paxson in their first 124 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: NBA Finals, and b J. Armstrong and Steve Kerr and 125 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: you name it, how all of those shooters end up 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: finding the right spot, the right space where they could 127 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: step in and fire and make so many shots to 128 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: help create those one on one opportunities For Michael Jordan's look, 129 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm a Jordan is the greatest of all time guy. 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I knew this documentary would kind of cement it in 131 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: most people's minds, especially so many people who had never 132 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: seen him play. There will be Team Jordan guys and 133 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: team Lebron guys. I do think we can appreciate of both. 134 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: But Jordan's was even more of an assassin, even more 135 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: of a killer, much more explosive by my estimation, earlier 136 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: in his career than Kobe Bryant was. And then his footwork, 137 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: his skill, honestly, his coach ability, all of these things 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: combined with ending what I believe was true basketball career 139 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: on a game winner on the road in Utah. Uh. 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: That's the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. And I 141 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: think they're doing a good job of telling that story 142 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: and telling some of the backstories, and telling some of 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Phil's backstories, But I don't know if they're explaining well 144 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: enough what made Rodman so good, what made Phil so good, 145 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: or that Scottie Pippen when he first the first couple 146 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: of years, he was seen as soft, right, Like the 147 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: Migraine thing was a big thing to overcome. But I 148 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: think the the overall the dock has been outstanding. It 149 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: does remind you of how great this team was. It 150 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: does tell you things about how dysfunctional it was that 151 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: we didn't know about. And there are some missing parts 152 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: to it where I think they do so to control 153 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the narrative for what you remember about Jordan's and what 154 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: you remember about the Bulls. All right, let me get 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: to the the and I l right the name, image 156 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: and likeness discussion as well as the G league discussion. Um, look, 157 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: I've I've played minor league basketball that there's no podcast. 158 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe that exists with a guy who has 159 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: more experience in minor league basketball. True, minor league basketball sucks, 160 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: and it doesn't suck because the players suck. Like I've 161 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: never played against better competition, and then I played against 162 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: when I was in the A B A. For example, right, 163 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Derek Martin was the point guard. The Vegas team said 164 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: the Bollos was on it and they just had dude 165 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: after dude, and you're like, these guys are all NBA players, 166 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: but they played in the A B A two thousand 167 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to have hefty buyouts. They just 168 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: want to play, stay fresh, stay ready for a coll 169 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: This is before the G League really took too uh 170 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: you know, was the den the D League and before 171 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: it kind of um took hold of everything because he 172 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: had to sign a three year contract, he didn't make 173 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: any money and there was a huge buyout. But no 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: one wants to be there. They just want to be 175 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA. Which you could sit there and you 176 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: could tell me, hey, most college basketball players want to 177 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: make it to the end b A. But the lack 178 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: of buy into anything team like, what are we teaching guys? 179 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: I just I find it ironic. The juxtaposition of why 180 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: Jordan became Jordan's and the story that's always been told us, Hey, 181 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: the only guy to hold Jordan below twenty points is 182 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: Dean Smith, when the truth is that at Dean Smith 183 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: just let him go, he might not he wouldn't have 184 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: developed as good a footwork he wouldn't have developed the 185 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: buy in defensively the mental and emotional toughness, but the 186 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: competitiveness have been there, like yeah, you even have that 187 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: or you don't. But Michael Jordan was always about winning, 188 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: but then he went to a program where they won 189 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: and it was it was kind of a winning mindset. 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: I think that's valuable. And we are we do stupid 191 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: ship because we think, well, somehow the man gets over 192 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: on the kid like that ain't true. It's just not Now. 193 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Look if you're gonna get five dollars for your son 194 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and he's gonna go right to the NBA and he's 195 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: got to make life changing money and and maybe makes 196 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: someone more already made. But I think we're we're skipping 197 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: steps here, We're skipping steps. It's it's like kind of 198 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you ever made a recipe and can 199 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: you can you put all this stuff in the bowl 200 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes it comes out the same shore. But there's 201 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: a reason that they say, you know, whip the beat 202 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: the eggs first and then you make because that that 203 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: is time tested and it works. Does Roy Williams run 204 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: NBA sets? Nope? But you know what you go and 205 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: play for Roy Williams and you get to be around 206 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: a college campus, you could be around you know, girls 207 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: your age. You buy into a team, you're into a 208 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: basketball family. A lot of these kids now, some of 209 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: these kids have great families that they come from and 210 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: they're not making bad decision because but it gives you 211 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: a basketball family. Like if you get into the North 212 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: Carolina the Duke or u c l a Kansas basketball family, 213 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: you're made for life. And we just blow that ship off. 214 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, that's a waste of time, Like, no, 215 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: it's not, no, it's not, no, it's not I mean 216 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: if you don't think the Duke family, like, the Duke 217 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: family takes care of the Duke family. That's why they're 218 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: all on TV. That's why they're all coaching. They take 219 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: care of each other. That's what a family does, right, 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: And we just pretend like that ship doesn't matter. We 221 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: pretend like these coaches who understand how to coach fundamentals, 222 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter they coach. They're not coaching NBA 223 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: sets and the okay, you can learn that stuff, you 224 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: can clearly learn, but you can't go back and teach 225 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: is the little things. And we we do this this 226 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: this dumb deal where we speed it up the process 227 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: and we publicize the sped up and we don't look 228 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: if you want the baseball model, I don't think that's 229 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: good for college basketball. I don't think that's good for 230 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: for basketball players. Obviously there's a difference in contract, but 231 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: like baseball players that you don't get paid until your 232 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth year as a major league baseball player, 233 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: you want a minor league system. Lots of guys wash 234 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: out the minor league system, which is fine. Guys wash 235 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: out of college, but when they washed out of college 236 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: end up with a college degree. That's the difference. And 237 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: when they washed out of college, they still have made 238 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: some great memories for themselves and a name for themselves 239 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: because they played an n C a terman or played 240 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: for a major institution, as opposed to washing out in 241 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the minor leagues, and you don't make anything for yourself, 242 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: um the name, image and like this thing. I actually 243 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: think the programs that can help the most are the 244 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: new mid new high majors that are really mid majors, 245 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Xaviers and Wichita State. Um, you know, Gonzaga is a 246 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: high major now, But those smaller schools in bigger cities 247 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: who own the town. That's where kids are going to 248 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: do well. Be sure to catch the live edition of 249 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter 250 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the Hard Radio 251 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: a app and he cats. Check him out on the 252 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: March Madness website on his Twitter handle. He's got great, 253 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: great stuff his own podcast as well. And let's let's 254 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: start with the G League thing, because I do think 255 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: that's more of an immediate sort of issue with with 256 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: college basketball specifically. Um, First, what's your thoughts on treef 257 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: updoor Heem and this plan on having a G League 258 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: select team, which so far I believe by my account, 259 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: there's at least three players, uh, three of the top 260 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: twenty players in high school basketball which you intend to 261 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: play for him. A couple of things. First of all, 262 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: I want to see, are they just working out with 263 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: this team? Are they are part of the G League? 264 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Are they really competing as a as an independent team 265 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: within the G League. If they're just doing their own 266 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: thing and they're getting kaid and they're working out, that's great. Uh, 267 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: that's great for them. I don't see any new season 268 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to think that college basketball is in any kind of 269 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: serious trouble because I firmly believe that, and I'm not 270 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: saying this because of who I work for different entities. 271 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: The reality is, whenever the one and done rule changes 272 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: by the NBA, and I think at some point it will, 273 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: these players weren't coming to college anyway, and look at 274 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: this year's top group of players. He wouldn't have been 275 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: in this kind of situation. Uh you know, he was 276 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: a three year guy, sat out a year, developed into 277 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: a lottery type pic. Um. The seniors that led their 278 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: teams that had great years or upper classmen you are 279 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Luca Garza, Jr. Uh, Marcus Howard, Miles Powell, Cassius Winston, 280 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: all these players that had great college careers. Um, I 281 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: don't I didn't lack Kamar Baldwin. I didn't think there 282 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: was any um, you know, lack of drama, excitement, entertainment 283 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: that we saw this past season. Uh So, I think 284 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: it's a little bit sky is following. And I also 285 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: want to wait and see how much money is the 286 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: NBA G League shreef, whoever going to shell out? Is 287 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: it or five ten guys? Okay? Is it for thirty 288 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: to forty? I kind of question that and you and 289 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I think are on the same page. I still say, 290 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: once we're all been running at a you know, sort 291 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: of a normal uh, you know situation to get in 292 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: this country, and you've got all the exposure of the incident, 293 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: a tournament and the season of being on television all 294 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the time. I think that ultimately benefits you in dollars 295 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: more than playing, uh in a long term of your career, uh, 296 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, in sort of obscurity in the GI League. Yeah. 297 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: My issue, I think though, is that it's not with 298 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: the five guys or however many guys go and playing 299 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: this team. It's with the hundred kids who think they're 300 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: going to play on that team, right, Like, that's that 301 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: becomes the issue. It's the same problem they had really 302 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: before they had the one and done rule, was it 303 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: wasn't just the kids that would leave from high school 304 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: to go to the pros. It was the kids that 305 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: weren't selected, that didn't do the work academically right. And 306 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: then there's the second part to it. And like, I 307 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: guess we're not supposed to feel bad for college basketball coaches, 308 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: but you know, mccronin gets the job a year ago 309 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: at u c l A and his staff told me, 310 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: like Dasan Nix is the first guy that they wanted, right, 311 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the most important recruit they could get is going get 312 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: the best point guard in the country is in Las Vegas. 313 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: They moved mountains to to get in that, and they 314 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: got him, and they recruited based everything else based upon 315 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: getting him as a point guard. Now you get to 316 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: April almost May, and he's like, yeah, I know, I 317 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: signed my letter of intent, but I'm not coming. Like 318 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: it totally changes how you recruit. Yeah, I know. And 319 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: obviously Michigan went through that with Todd as well. UH 320 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: invested a lot of time and effort and they don't 321 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: get them. But I also think, and and this you 322 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: know global crisis that we're in UH isn't gonna go away. 323 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully goes away soon later medically, but economically 324 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: it's not gonna go away anytime soon. So I just 325 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: questioned this, you know, alleged flush funds that we're sort 326 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: of more you know, all these players, no, no doubt. 327 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know how many. I'm 328 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: being a little bit of a step pick here. I'll 329 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: just let you see if all this money is out 330 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: there for the you know all these guys. You're right, 331 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: a lot of players will think they can do that, 332 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: and ultimately I question whether or not, beyond the top 333 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: ten it will really be there. Yeah. Um, And you know, 334 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: will it be just one team? Will they have multiple teams? 335 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. Like, look, major League Baseball is cutting. 336 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I think it's like forty or forty one minor league 337 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: teams like the just in the business of sports, the 338 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: G League teams are money losers before Gatorade came in. 339 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: And at some point, you know, it's like, yeah, I 340 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: just I don't know how much red ink you want. 341 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: And then you factor in we are going to be 342 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: in some sort of recession, whether it's short lived or 343 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: long term. And when you're trying to dig yourself out 344 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: of a financial hole and you have people in the 345 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: front office who have been taking pay cuts or been furloughed, 346 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: you know who are actually who have jobs that help 347 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: make money for NBA teams. They are essential personnel along 348 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: with the players. You know, those players aren't taking a 349 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: pay cut, are you gonna? Is the NBA going to 350 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: fund a money loser? Right? So, like, look, I the NBA. 351 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: One of the reasons that they've gotten out of most 352 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: of the w NBA business was the owners are like, 353 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: it's a money loser. No thanks, you know, like, I'm 354 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: already losing money on a day to day I'm a 355 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: NBA team. I don't need to lose money in a 356 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: w NBA team. I don't even want to go to 357 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: the games too. Now you want to lose money on 358 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: a G League team? One G League select team? And 359 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, then then there's the one. 360 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: Are the players actually getting out of it playing inconsequential 361 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: games where winning isn't really valued simply development? Is uh? 362 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: That that becomes interesting? Um? Okay, and now we've shipped 363 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: to them, just put the ball on this. We should 364 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: point out that Greg Brown, player from Austin, decide to 365 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: go to Texas. So it's not everybody, and there will 366 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: be players like that that they want to play for 367 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: their school and and make an impact, even if it's 368 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: for one season. Well that that's really my thing is 369 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: is the it's not even just one season. It's like, look, 370 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: if Greg Brown goes to Texas and one he doesn't play, well, 371 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: he can come back to Texas for four or five years. Right. 372 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: If Greg Brown goes to Texas and everything goes well 373 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: and he's a one and done and then he goes 374 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: to the NBA Draft when his career is over and 375 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: he wants to work, he has something outside of just 376 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: basketball to do. So this idea that guys are gonna 377 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: go like will pay for your education, what makes you 378 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: think any of those guys would value education, that they 379 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: would go like just because Sharif did. Like, look, shreefs, 380 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: a brilliant guy, went back to school, got his got 381 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: his bachelor's, got his masters after being a one and done. Um, 382 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: he's he's a breakcat, but he is the exception, not 383 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: the norm. This idea that, well, you can always go 384 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: back and get your education, get the funk out of here. 385 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: You can't get into any of these schools on your own. 386 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, none of us can get into these 387 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: colleges on our own, right like you think those guys can. 388 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: What's saying the kids can get into Michigan in without 389 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Michigan Basketball helping him. Know, it's an almost impossible school 390 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: to get into. So we we do have people living 391 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: in a little bit of a fantasy world in terms 392 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: of what happens when you're done playing or if you're 393 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: not as good a player as you think you are. 394 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I don't blame a kid if he's like, you know, 395 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't really want to go to college and I 396 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: get half a million dollars. And I understand it. If 397 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: that's what you're in the sport for because you just 398 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: want to be professional, I think you're missing out on 399 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: a lot of really cool stuff. But okay, if that's 400 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: your only goal, just understand there isn't the safety net 401 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: that college provides. It's a great safety net for for 402 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: almost everybody. I don't think it hurts players, right. Let me, 403 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: I know your your your time is a little short, 404 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: so let me ask you about the name and likeness. Um, 405 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, look, there are gonna be people that take 406 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: shots at the fact that there's gonna be caveats to it. 407 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: What can people? What what do you who do you 408 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: think will can and will endorse these kids? So I 409 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: think there's benefits college town or maybe not using words small, 410 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: but college colleges that dominate their town like Alexington, Kentucky, 411 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: like Louis wille Kentucky. Um, you know you're not supposed 412 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: to use it as a recruiting inducement. But but if 413 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: you go, you go, if you go to if you 414 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: go to, Yeah, you go to Lexington on a recruiting 415 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: weekend and the guy who's your host goes and does 416 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: an appearance and gets a couple of grand cash in 417 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: his pocket. I think that's a pretty good recruiting inducement. Yes, um, 418 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: but if you wanna, if you want to, you know, 419 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: advertise for uh Lexington Ford under the way this is described. 420 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: If the doll goes through, then you can. Um. I 421 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: just still get back to this, and we were moving 422 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: this direction. I think it's the right thing to do. 423 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: But I also really question the dollars. I just wonder 424 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: how much money is out there. There'll be some, some 425 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: players will get some. I just don't think it's gonna 426 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: be what people envision. Uh. There may be more dollars 427 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: to be made in social media, something that I'm trying 428 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: to understand even more and more through Instagram and and 429 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, the right people can be influencers and stuff 430 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: like that. That might be where more the money is 431 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: made in your world in this new generation than it 432 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: is and just straight advertising places. But I will tell 433 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: you there's certain places. Go to Chicago, all right, where 434 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: if you're in Chicago. There are very few Bears Bowls, 435 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: black Hawks, you know, Cubs and White Sox that do 436 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: adds let alone anyone from De Paul, Northwestern even regionally Illinois, 437 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: so uh, you know, Boston, same thing, New York, same thing. 438 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: So a lot of these pockets around the country. L A. 439 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, it would be very good. Tell me if 440 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: you're you're in l A, how many people really know 441 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: all the players from USC in U C. L A. 442 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: You know, yet they obviously know the Lakers and the Clippers, 443 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: uh and the Dodgers. But uh, you know, it's gonna 444 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: be really hard for those schools in pro dominated markets 445 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: to get that those kind of endorsements. Yeah. I also 446 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: think that, um, you know, like if you're a Nike school, 447 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you can't do an Adidas thing, right, So I do 448 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: wonder if you can actually even do the competing car 449 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: ads if there's an official car dealer of the school 450 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: or of the of the program. Right, there's there's a 451 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: there's right, so you're like and then like there, then 452 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: there's the the elephant in the room is the taxes. 453 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, like right now you have you operating a 454 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: tax free shelter. But endorsements is not. That's not a 455 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: tax free shelter. Any A guy has got stand on 456 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: the call on Wednesday made that very clear when you 457 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: answered the question he's on this committee and he said 458 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: Stephen athletes will be accountable to the I R S. Yeah. 459 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: I I It's just it is a bag of worms. 460 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: It's a whole new world. And I'm not you know, 461 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't fault a player. You know, like 462 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: when I was at Oklahoma State, we went down to 463 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: Christis University Spirit. We had to do security, but it 464 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: was a legal deal and you get a little bit 465 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: of money. I like the idea that you can, uh 466 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: that you can work with kids in coach basketball and 467 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: get paid their work kids out, which frankly I did 468 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: when I was in college, right fifty an hour or whatever, 469 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and you work a kid out, Like those type of 470 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: things are legitimate. I just it's the it's the stuff 471 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: that we all know is illegitimate. Maybe this takes away 472 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: from the coaches feeling kids like, hey, we're not buying 473 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: kids anymore. If you're really any good, our boosters will 474 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: take care of you. It's a it's a fascinating, fascinating 475 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: whole new world. Um uh last thing, how important is 476 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: it for the college football season to be played during 477 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: their normal window as to not usurp college basketball season 478 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: next year. It's important, but I will say that I 479 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: think a worst case scenario is the college battle small 480 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: season gets pushed by a few weeks. Mark madness can move. Um, 481 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: all parties agreed to it because this year is just 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: gonna be different. It's not ideal, but it can move. 483 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: And I will say, I'll go on record, I'm convinced 484 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: we will have a season. We will have a tournament. 485 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: How many games, I don't know yet, but I'm very 486 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: convinced that we will have one. Awesome stuff. Catsy, thank 487 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: you again. Be sure to catch the live edition of 488 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. 489 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: Easter noon Pacific. Let's get what Jeff Goodman from Stadium, Jeff, Um, 490 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: how many guys are they actually gonna have on this 491 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: G League Select team? I think they want five. I 492 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: think that the ideal number is five. But you know, again, 493 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: they got to convince the right guys to make the jump. 494 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: I thought Nick was obviously a big one for them, 495 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: because not only you get him, but you took him 496 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: from U c l A. And to me, he's one 497 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: of the more uh entertaining players to walk because he 498 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: just makes people better And that's kind of what you 499 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: want out of that program. You're gonna want to sell 500 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the fact that, hey, here's a guy when he gets drafted, 501 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: which I don't know where he'll get drafted, you know, 502 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: a year and a half from now, But I think 503 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: you could sell the fact that look at look at 504 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: his i Q, look at what we did for him. 505 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: Even if they didn't do much, they could sell the 506 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: fact that, uh, this kid is ready from an i 507 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: Q standpoint to play at the next level. Yeah, I 508 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: guess um. You know. So it's it's not the five 509 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: guys they select, it's the and then maybe not this year, 510 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: but in coming years. It becomes how many kids think 511 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: they're one of those five guys they're gonna select? And 512 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: does that then, because that's really the issue with all 513 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: of this stuff, right, It's never the top five guys 514 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: that went straight from high school to the pros. It 515 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: was everybody else. It was never the top five one 516 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: and Dunes, it was all these other kids. That's one 517 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: of the things that created a transfer culture. Like if 518 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: you're not leading your team and scoring your shots as 519 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: a freshman, you've got a transfer because as the one, 520 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: you should be a one and done like that. That's 521 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: really kind of what's that issue here? So are they 522 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: gonna officially capital the number? Like? What what is? Do 523 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: you do? You know what the actual plan is? We 524 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know, but you listen. To go 525 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: back to your point, I thought it is interesting because 526 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, years ago before they went with the one 527 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: and done rule and you have kids going straight out 528 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: of high school to college. I look back, and you know, 529 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: seven or eight guys. There weren't that many that declared 530 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: towards the end of that thing. But now our culture 531 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: is so different than it was in two thousand three four, um, 532 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: with social media and everything else that you're right, you 533 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: could be looking at thirty or forty kids that try 534 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: to make the jump, and you've got to have something 535 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: in place to me, uh, to allow them to at 536 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: least go back you go to college, even if they 537 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: make up, if they make a mistake or what they 538 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: think is a mistake, uh, and go this route. But 539 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: I just does My big question to you, and the 540 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: thing I've been racking my brain for is why is 541 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Adam Silver doing this? Is he doing this to make 542 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: the G League relevant or the G League program relevant? 543 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: Is he doing it because he honestly was upset that 544 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: r J. Hampton LaMelo ball went overseas? Is he's doing 545 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: it because he thinks this is a better avenue to 546 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: prepare kids than college? What? What is it? Um? I 547 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: do think that it was the we got to travel 548 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: with Australia to see a couple of kids play when 549 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: we should have our we should have our it's this, 550 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: we should have our own developmental program here, right? And 551 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't like what what what's interesting to me is 552 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: that kind of buried in this whole thing is the 553 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: fact that the players and the owners could not agree 554 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: on getting rid of the one and done rule. The 555 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: owners liked the one and done rule. They want guys 556 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: to go to college because otherwise, you know, you make them, 557 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: you make a mistake. And um, you know, anybody you draft, 558 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna at some point you're gonna have to play. 559 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: And and owners, you know, expect you to play that 560 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: guy early on. And some of these guys are just 561 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: not ready. And you know, maybe this is I is 562 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 1: this is trying to play everybody duck players use, if 563 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: you're an older player, more guys taking your jobs, coming 564 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: to the week, taking your job. Yes, and they also 565 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: realized those guys are just not ready. It's like it's 566 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: it's the boat not only taking jobs, but they're also 567 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: taking jobs before they're even close to being ready even 568 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: you could be. But remember like that was not doing this, 569 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: doing this because he realizes he's screwed up a couple 570 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: of years ago by saying we're gonna push this back 571 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: to high school the n b A. And then he 572 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: thought it through and it got some feedback, and everybody's 573 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, you know what, maybe nobody really 574 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: wants this, so let's try something different. And this is 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: kind of an alternative to it to make sure then 576 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: are after a year in the shrew League program, they're 577 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: more ready to play in the NBA, yes, which which 578 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: I guess you're you're okay with, Like, look, all this 579 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: stuff is great, but what's really there's so many things 580 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: that college basketball provides that you cannot artificially create. You 581 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: just can't. And you know, one, I want to see 582 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: a guy dominate people at his age. I don't want 583 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: to see him playing I like the idea of playing 584 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: against men, but I don't you know you can play 585 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: against college men as well. Are are the college systems? 586 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: Is it the same game? Like? No? And I do 587 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: think the n c A has hurt itself by putting 588 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: restrictions on how much time a kid can spend with 589 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: his basketball coach, which is crazy, right because like, on 590 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: one hand, the same people who want this to happen 591 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: are the same people who go if you didn't have 592 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: a twenty hour rule or the eight hour rule in 593 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: the off season, They're like, wow, these kids are just 594 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: abused like their kids are in the gym all day regardless. 595 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: The only question is canna coach be in there with it? 596 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: The best part of it does is that Cherry from 597 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: dour Raheem, who runs the league and is out there 598 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: trying to plug kids from college. His son is going 599 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: to Virginia next year as a freshman and a really 600 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: good player. But but why are you not bringing your 601 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: son to this program if it's better than college? Well, 602 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he thinks it's better. I don't think 603 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: he thinks it's better than college. And sure it's an 604 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: interesting one, right. He was a one and done, but 605 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: he went back out his degree, got his master's degree, 606 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: like he benefited greatly from it. I don't think he 607 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: obviously loves the college system there. There's a ton of 608 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: hypocrisy to it there just is. Um, what do you 609 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: do you think that the new name and likeness rule 610 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: change changes anything? That does it? How do it? What 611 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: is it? It's going to change something? What's it change? Well? 612 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean all they've done right now 613 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: is said all right, Uh, you know they can they 614 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: can get endorsements, third party endorsements, they can set up 615 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: their own businesses. Um, they can do things with that nature. 616 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: But they haven't put any details, any anything to it yet. 617 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's gonna be the key. You know. 618 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: My thought, um going forward, was like, Okay, what happens. 619 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: You're a head coach, Doug, and you're a head coach 620 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: at you know, down the road there at l MU 621 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: or something like that, and I run an auto dealership 622 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: and and I got a ton of money, and I'm 623 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: a booster. I'm your boy, right, Why can't you just 624 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: tell me, Hey, can you do me a favor? The 625 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: number one point in the country. Can we offer a 626 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: million dollars? And we're gonna we're gonna run this. We're 627 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna dominate LMU again. We're gonna be back 628 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: like the old days, and we're gonna pay for kids. Well, 629 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: how how is the incident gonna stop that? Where are 630 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: they going to decide? Is too much? Are they gonna 631 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: cap it? Is that allowed? If you're a coach? Can you? 632 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean I just and for people who are people 633 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: people say, people say like, well, you can cap it. 634 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: And one of the statements was, you know, like it's 635 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: gotta be a reasonable amount. Remember the last time they 636 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: tried to cap something in the n s A. It 637 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: was when they had the restricted earnings coach and of 638 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: course all those guys that a class action lawsuit was 639 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: a disaster. They lost a bunch of money. Yeah, I 640 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: don't know what you do. I do know that then, 641 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, you can't have kind of kind of conflicting brands. 642 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: So does that mean if if a car dealership is 643 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: the official car dealership of the program, am, well then 644 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: you can't do a car dealership ad with any other 645 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: car dealership, right, you can only do with that were 646 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be certain stipulations and a lot of them, 647 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: and the incident. It could not answer any of that 648 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: this morning. Are tall because they haven't figured that out. 649 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: I think what they were trying to do today was, Hey, listen, everybody, 650 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: we're moving forward with this. We're okaying some level of 651 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: of getting paid for your name, names, likeness. We're not 652 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: sure the details. We still got to figure that out. Well, 653 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: that's the hard part to be honest. Um, does it. 654 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: Does it decreased cheating in college basketball? I don't think so. 655 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't think it changes it at all. 656 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: I think you know you're gonna have again coaches trying 657 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: to circumvent the rules. I'll give you a good example. 658 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: If I'm a head coach in in college who maybe 659 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: played in the NBA, and I'm at a mid major level, 660 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the name. There's a few of 661 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: them out there. Uh, well, we can say the name. 662 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Third reporter, Damond stottom are Di Yale Marshall. They're at Portland's. 663 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: Terry Porter is fighting for his job right now Portland. 664 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: He's got I don't know how many million dollars in 665 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: the bank. Why can't he just say, hey, you know what, 666 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: I want to keep coaching. I'm gonna slip half a 667 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: million um to my buddy who's running that car dealership, 668 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: and he, in turn is gonna basically offer it. And 669 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say to this recruit, hey, once you get 670 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: our campus, you got a half a million dollar deal 671 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: waiting for you. What why does he have to slip? 672 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: And I don't understand why he has to slip a 673 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: half million dollars. Well he can't. All I'm saying is 674 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: he can. If he's the coach and he wants to 675 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: get this thing done, and he's got a bank account 676 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: of fifty million or a hundred million, why can't he 677 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: just take some of his own money, which is illegal. 678 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: The schools can't pay the kids directly. He's giving it 679 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: to somebody that that runs a company and basically telling 680 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: them to legally be able to induce it to the kid. Yeah, 681 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: some coaches have never been guys that come out of 682 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: their own pockets. That's one of the other things. But 683 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: if you're looking at the end game, in the end 684 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: game is not only might my job, but I might 685 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: be able to get a bigger job. I might be 686 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: able to get a job for two or three million 687 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: a year. You're just betting on yourself at that point 688 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: and saying I'm gonna make my program relevant. I'm gonna fight. 689 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm at least gonna beat all the other schools in 690 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: my league. I mean, I beat Kentucky or Dude or 691 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: the big Boys. But if I'm in the mid major league, yeah, 692 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: I can outbid everybody else. So why wouldn't you come 693 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: with me? If they're gonna make you know, a couple 694 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: of hundred thousand dollars as opposed to ten thousands. I 695 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: think this can really help the mid majors, who are 696 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: the elite mid majors. And like, I don't know, if 697 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: you want to call Creating a high major fine, like 698 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't if I'm a crate fan. You can get 699 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: all eatting Union panties and why I don't give a ship. 700 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: But the fact is that Creating has an unbelievable fan 701 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: base right there there, the Lakers of Omaha. You're much 702 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: more likely to benefit name, image and likeness there uh 703 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: Wichita State, the Xavier dating compared to Bobton College or 704 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: my yeah yeah us like Boston College, nobody gives us 705 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: now now there are are there are there alums that 706 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: could figure something out. Yeah yeah, alums could figure something basketball. No, 707 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: there's there's some alums. Um. I mean, dude, I mean 708 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: if if Harvard wants to kill it, Harvard can kill 709 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: it now, right. All they have to do is like, hey, 710 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: Microsoft is one guy is Microsoft, one guy is Facebook 711 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they could literally pay whatever you want, 712 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: whatever you want. So it's got the healthy, the healthy 713 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: schools with a ton of them endowment, a ton of 714 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: people that boosters. And then you've got the places like Omaha, 715 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: like where it just runs that school, right, And you 716 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: know Gonzaga is a perfect example, right, Gonzag is for 717 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: example that you know, Um, it's gonna be an amazing, 718 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: amazing new world. Um. Okay, last thing, Um, we've all 719 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: been talking about football and when that gets how important 720 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: you believe is is it for football to start as 721 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: scheduled so that it doesn't overlap even more with college 722 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: basketball next year? I don't care. It doesn't matter just playing. 723 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter college football goes up against college football. 724 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. I just 725 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: think we're getta get baseball off first and then kind 726 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: of see what happens from there. And that's going to 727 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: determine whether we get you know, kids on campus. Um, 728 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: I think listen. I've heard it from several several people lately, 729 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: like sources, good sources, saying that that some of these 730 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: schools are planning on bringing their kids, their scholarship athletes 731 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: to campus for summer school July one. I believe it. 732 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: I believe West Coast is so much different than this 733 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: and the South is so much different than the East. 734 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: Just because we have not been I had the day 735 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: delusion numbers are for for COVID nineteen. All right, goody, 736 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: great stuff. Check him out on social media or Stadium 737 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks so much for joining us. You got him. 738 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: Be sure that it's the live edition of the Doug 739 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on 740 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio a app. 741 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: All right, So that's for this edition of All Ball. 742 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. More to come and uh, 743 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: you know what, do yourself favor, Do me a favor, 744 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: Tweet me at Gottlieb Show. You have any thoughts comments 745 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: on any of the stuff we talked about today at 746 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. Follow us on I G you follow us 747 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: on Twitter Bird or of course, uh check me out 748 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: to the Doug Gotlip Show on Facebook and listen three 749 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: or six Eastern, twelve, three Pacific. The world is not 750 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: coming to an end. College basketball is not over. I 751 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: do think that, you know, if you continue to lose 752 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: every year your top five to ten incoming freshman and 753 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: then you lose your top five to ten uh freshmen 754 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: that are playing like now, you start to get more 755 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: like more and more like college baseball. Is college basketball 756 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: more part of our fabric? It is? But there are 757 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: additional challenges. And I don't know if the NBA season 758 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: adjusting their schedule really really hurts college basketball in the future. 759 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: We don't know what the NFL schedule looks like, what 760 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: college football schedule looks like. And to not have had 761 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: conference tournaments, in an n c A tournament for a year, 762 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: to continue to lose in public perception, I do think, 763 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: I do think will hurt the sport. The good news is, 764 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: and this is an important part, it will provide more 765 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: opportunities I believe for players, right because all right, however, 766 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: many players go to the minors, you know, go to 767 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: the to the G league. That will open up more 768 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: scholarships and Division one basketball. It's not like teams are 769 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: going down to one to to Division two. So there's 770 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: still going to be two plus teams playing Division one basketball, 771 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: and you're still gonna be thirteen scholarships on a team. 772 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: That that that's more opportunities for more kids. I think 773 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: it's more opportunities for more coaches, because the challenge to 774 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: the G League is you are you really gonna keep 775 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: giving guys their first head coaching job if they're going 776 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: to be in charge of somebody's player development. That doesn't 777 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: seem you want to have better. But the more coaches 778 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: and and really maybe G League coaches should come from 779 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: the college rinks. You know, assistant coaches who have long 780 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: been development guys who want that opportunity, and it will 781 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: provide more coaching opportunities for more people, and maybe better 782 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: recruitment because instead of instead of having assistant coaches who 783 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: recruit kind of the old fashioned way, some programs have 784 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: moved to the hey you got a son, I'll hire you, 785 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: or hey you got two guys, I'll hire you. Now, 786 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: this has always occurred, hire one to get one, but 787 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: it's important to point out that, um, I actually think 788 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: that the I think that the name, image and likeness 789 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: stuff should should come out. Cut out some of the cheating. 790 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: Will there be like organized cheating chore? Absolutely? You know, 791 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: you get a bunch of people to pull in some 792 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: money and we'll have you do an ad here, when 793 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: I have you do any thing there, have you doing 794 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: a parents here, and we'll pay you for it there, 795 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: and maybe you get half of what you're promised. But 796 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: at least there won't be the true cheating. But it 797 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: also will eliminate the need to hire somebody's dad, brother, 798 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: a you guy, as a as a coach in order 799 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: to get a player. We don't need to do that anymore. 800 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 1: Now we just get them some money from their name, 801 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: image and likeness, and maybe that opens up those assistant 802 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: coaching positions and recruiting positions to the old fashioned assistant 803 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: coach recruiter. Just a thought anyway, I hope you enjoyed it. 804 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gotlieben. This is all ball