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Speaker 3: Heck makers through it hit us with the running back situation.
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Speaker 2: Take it? There's a hat?
Speaker 3: Because I know I got to go ahead watch practice
Speaker 3: because sweat it doesn't have to go with this. And
Speaker 3: then boom go so.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: So theres deaths out there on the team.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, He's gonna get all the
Speaker 4: special treatment when he get out there, They gonna know
Speaker 4: it's him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brother hurts, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Strong Field the running back, the running back position. Heck,
Speaker 3: you're bothered by this. I am, and I want to
Speaker 3: know what could make you feel better.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that the Cowboys front office has
Speaker 4: to be combing other rosters to find an acquisition right now.
Speaker 4: If you're going to start the season and say that
Speaker 4: Tony Pollat is your number one and let's just say
Speaker 4: Ronald Jones is your number two, that is not the
Speaker 4: thunder and lightening combination that I think we are looking
Speaker 4: forward to seeing and iking this experience of what they're
Speaker 4: doing in the running back position to what they did
Speaker 4: last season at the wide receiver position by not upgrading
Speaker 4: the position when they had time to. We didn't go
Speaker 4: into the draft, and I'm talking about draft, you know,
Speaker 4: top three rounds looking for a running back. And not
Speaker 4: to say that Deuce Vaughn in any way will be
Speaker 4: a disappointment. I just think that you there's going to
Speaker 4: be a learning curve there for him. And for me,
Speaker 4: I'm still trying to figure out, Okay, how does he
Speaker 4: fit into their plans, especially knowing the way that just say,
Speaker 4: the way that Ezekiel Elliott pass protected as well, I
Speaker 4: don't see that.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that for him.
Speaker 4: He's a pass catcher, even at his stature, a guy
Speaker 4: that's still tough inside the tackles.
Speaker 2: But I'm a little worried.
Speaker 4: I'm concerned about what Ronald Jones is at this stage
Speaker 4: of his career because he hadn't had any burn in
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. You know, Malie Davis, who
Speaker 4: is he really? We've seen him in spot duty, but
Speaker 4: we haven't gotten an opportunity to see a seventeen game
Speaker 4: work for him. So look, man, Tony Poller, coming off
Speaker 4: of the injury, I was good to see him out
Speaker 4: there in OTA's But still, man, I don't know about y'all,
Speaker 4: but that's just my feeling on where we're approaching OTA's
Speaker 4: and training camp at the running back position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with your head. I'm with you on that one. Especially.
Speaker 5: You know when a head coach goes out there and says,
Speaker 5: you know, hey, we're running the football this year.
Speaker 2: You know we're gonna we're behind the tackles. We're gonna
Speaker 2: let our big boys eat. And I'm with you. Who's
Speaker 2: gonna run the football?
Speaker 5: You know, you got Tony Poller coming back from injury,
Speaker 5: and then last year, even though he had an outstanding
Speaker 5: year catching the ball, run in the football as well,
Speaker 5: he wasn't that every down back. He wasn't taking that
Speaker 5: punishment on first and second down. Now was Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 5: And you also make the point who's blocking? We all
Speaker 5: know that's not a strength of Tony Pollitt. And you
Speaker 5: got duce Vaughn in here, who's a mismatched nightmare when
Speaker 5: he gets out there. But is he gonna be able
Speaker 5: to take on d NS blitzing linebackers coming up the gut?
Speaker 5: I'm not so sure about that. And then, like you said,
Speaker 5: you got Rico, you got Mike as well, and that
Speaker 5: just we don't know who they are. So to me,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a little worried about it. You got Rojoe,
Speaker 5: but he was in the doghouse in Tampa Bay, he
Speaker 5: was in the doghouse in Kansas City. You know when
Speaker 5: the last time he got significant burn out there as
Speaker 5: an every down back. So it's gonna be a sticky
Speaker 5: situation and hopefully you know Polack can come through, because
Speaker 5: that's to me, that's the top back we got Right now, I'm.
Speaker 2: Actually feeling a little bit more confident than you guys.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with brother Daniel Craig.
Speaker 3: I'm right here positive side, positive size.
Speaker 4: So we got a ten million dollar guy in Tony
Speaker 4: Pollard who we know is explosive. We know that if
Speaker 4: he gets the chance that he's likely one of those
Speaker 4: guys who can be a home run hitter every every snap. Right,
Speaker 4: that's what we know about. What we know is weakness,
Speaker 4: is has been past blocking. Can he work on it? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll see. I believe that Rojo is going to be
Speaker 4: a better pass blocker. I also think they're gonna do
Speaker 4: some things in the offense, probably with the tight end
Speaker 4: or tight ends to help blocking when they come out
Speaker 4: to pass. When I look at what we have here
Speaker 4: in our in our running back room, and then I
Speaker 4: look at I know you're not gonna like this. What
Speaker 4: Philly was doing a couple of years ago. Was it
Speaker 4: a game? Well? Game well? To have milesset They had
Speaker 4: pretty much a committee, Barston Scott, they had all those guys,
Speaker 4: And when I was playing Fantasy, I was gonna get
Speaker 4: all of them right because they were finding ways to
Speaker 4: get all those dudes to ball. And you were like, man,
Speaker 4: all these dudes are finding ways to eat when they
Speaker 4: get out there on offense. And I think when you
Speaker 4: look at a guy like Vaughn, you look at Tony Paul,
Speaker 4: who's gonna get majority of the carries, and then you
Speaker 4: do like Rojo, he hadn't got much burned. But when
Speaker 4: you get in a short yarded situation, I think that's where.
Speaker 2: They're gonna lean on Rojo. So I'm more confident than
Speaker 2: you all are. Yeah, we don't have that.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen Tony Pobla be a every down all
Speaker 4: seventeen games.
Speaker 2: But for Tim Mell and you got to give him
Speaker 2: a shot.
Speaker 3: I build off what you said, A build off on
Speaker 3: two ways. One, we saw Kansas City win the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl with a collection of guys. We saw Sean Sean
Speaker 3: McVay out here for years doing a collection of guys.
Speaker 3: We've seen Kyle Shanahan with a collection of guys. And
Speaker 3: if I go back to Mike McCarthy and Green Bay,
Speaker 3: who were his stalwart Bell Cow guys, gr Grant got.
Speaker 2: Hurt the Super Bowl year, so it'll start.
Speaker 3: So he's he's a guy who's had a collection of
Speaker 3: dudes that have gotten things done. Sean Payton is another
Speaker 3: coach who's had a collection of guys, Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush,
Speaker 3: and Reggie Bush that year they won the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: had split time was peerre Thomas. So you know you
Speaker 3: can do this in the league with several dudes. So
Speaker 3: I want to put that there the other one to
Speaker 3: build off this. We know it's June first, there gonna
Speaker 3: be some folks on the market after today in the future.
Speaker 2: They're not done. They're not done.
Speaker 4: And really that's my point, and that's where I'm going.
Speaker 4: I think that you have to make a move. We
Speaker 4: didn't make that move last season at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 4: That's that's my whole point. That's why we're cambing other
Speaker 4: rosters to try and find someone. But I feel like
Speaker 4: this man, I feel as though, you know Tony Pollard
Speaker 4: can be We're hoping that he can be in every
Speaker 4: down running back. We don't have any proof time, consistency,
Speaker 4: and proof that gives the trust that he can actually
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: We don't have.
Speaker 4: That on the on the flip side of we okay,
Speaker 4: and I guess he said that. I guess I guess
Speaker 4: under my Karthy Schottenheim that's the that's looking behind it.
Speaker 4: We don't know that right now going into the season.
Speaker 4: But then when you start running down some of these
Speaker 4: teams that have been able to plug and play running backs,
Speaker 4: look at the system that they have, Look at the office,
Speaker 4: the coaches, the office.
Speaker 2: That they have.
Speaker 4: We don't have that structure in place where that has been.
Speaker 4: The running game has been premiere. In what we've done,
Speaker 4: it's been the passing game. We haven't had any balance.
Speaker 4: And I think that was Kellen Moore's imminent undoing is
Speaker 4: the balance. Uh, That's why I'm looking at him. We
Speaker 4: are going to and they just gave contract. We're gonna see.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see.
Speaker 4: But you know, I just look, it's it's a worry.
Speaker 4: It's a concern of mine. And I think that you know,
Speaker 4: this notion that you plug and play running back comes
Speaker 4: the diamond doesn't. And the way that the running back
Speaker 4: position has been de valued in the NFL, to me
Speaker 4: really is it ticks me off because people don't really
Speaker 4: value it the way it needs to be and when
Speaker 4: you point to a Kansas City I think those are
Speaker 4: that's the wrong team to point to. As far as
Speaker 4: the running back, because come Onack, watched the Super Bowl, bro,
Speaker 4: that was it Tony what's the running backs name from
Speaker 4: Kansas City? Seventh rounder Potaco was running the ball. Talk
Speaker 4: about Patrick Mahomes. All you want to do was physical.
Speaker 2: He was hitting. He was how they get there though,
Speaker 2: But he's still able to run the ball.
Speaker 4: We've seen We've seen running backs play with good quarterbacks
Speaker 4: who have not been able to get anything done. You
Speaker 4: you watched the Patriots many years when he was like, man,
Speaker 4: they drafted guys all over the place with Tom Brady.
Speaker 4: Couldn't get it, couldn't get the running game going.
Speaker 3: The first quarterback in the first Super Bowl he had.
Speaker 3: They had different guys in Buffalo. They don't have a
Speaker 3: Bell Cow running game either. I'm just simply saying, is
Speaker 3: all right, Dalvin Cook, main guy in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: What they want? Nothing? What they want? Okay, might be
Speaker 2: June first Cook, Okay.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor let the league in Russian last year injured hurt.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at you.
Speaker 2: Get the surrounding pieces in Indian Now, I mean.
Speaker 3: This this notion. Hey you getting this bell cown. These
Speaker 3: are guys who are not Immitt Smith. Okay, it's not
Speaker 3: an Emmitt Smith out here.
Speaker 2: It's just not.
Speaker 3: It's not a league full of a bunch of dudes.
Speaker 3: And you know Jim Brown walking through that door.
Speaker 4: I agree with that. Derrick Henry and Tennessee. I mean
Speaker 4: you look at Dereck Henry and his production in Tennessee.
Speaker 4: He's literally carrying the franchise if they had that piece,
Speaker 4: I mean the other pieces around him to your point.
Speaker 3: And all year and what are we hearing about Derrick
Speaker 3: Henry right now?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: No, my yeah, they are on a tank mission if
Speaker 4: they get rid of Derrick Henry, because what do you
Speaker 4: have then at the running back position. You haven't given
Speaker 4: him the pieces that he needed. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 4: you're gonna take a J. Brown and just trade him along.
Speaker 4: But they but they did have a J. Brown, and
Speaker 4: they paid Tannehill when tanner Hill was balling for a minute,
Speaker 4: and then they also had Dereck Henry and they still
Speaker 4: didn't win Tannehill for a minute, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 4: when tannery Hill got paid, they were balling with A
Speaker 4: Brown and Dereck Henry if you don't have this is
Speaker 4: the thing. If you don't have Dereck Hemer, Dereck Henry
Speaker 4: of old who's healthy. If you don't have Derrick Henry,
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey, or Saquon Barkley when he is healthy, then
Speaker 4: you pretty much got some guys that's rotating, right, because
Speaker 4: those are the guys who you say, man, we need
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to get them the ball,
Speaker 4: and they have to be in the game every single snap.
Speaker 4: Outside of that, it ain't it ain't too many Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Alexander Madison comes in the game and
Speaker 4: you're like, man, it ain't that much of a drop.
Speaker 5: And he got and he got, he got a lot
Speaker 5: of pet Are we saying those the guys behind Tony
Speaker 5: Pollard or Madison?
Speaker 2: And we don't know.
Speaker 4: We don't know who Madison was before Dalvin Cook started
Speaker 4: getting hurt.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we said, Rico d Well, I don't I
Speaker 5: don't know who's bawned.
Speaker 2: We don't, we don't know, we have said.
Speaker 4: So we got The best version of Dak Prescott that
Speaker 4: we've seen was his rookie season with Ezekiel Elliott, and
Speaker 4: that running game pretty much made him uh and ball control, responsibility.
Speaker 4: All those things that he had in the running game
Speaker 4: kind of set the tone for what his career is
Speaker 4: starting to look like.
Speaker 3: Coaching staff in philosophy are gone.
Speaker 4: But it still doesn't say that that wasn't the better
Speaker 4: piece of who he was. I mean, when you were
Speaker 4: at your best, this is what you are, DeMarco, Murray
Speaker 4: and walk Because the best years for Tony Romo was
Speaker 4: when he had a running game too.
Speaker 2: Why are we overlooking that?
Speaker 4: But this no, we're not overlooking that because I've been
Speaker 4: saying this for years. When our offensive line was the
Speaker 4: main focus. Come on, man, when when when DeMarco and
Speaker 4: Zeke was running behind tying Zach Travis. That's when the
Speaker 4: game was a little different, you know, Like now we
Speaker 4: don't have that right, So you're starting to see, hey man,
Speaker 4: I don't know, getting pushed.
Speaker 2: Up the middle.
Speaker 4: We're not sure we can really if our interior line
Speaker 4: has the anchor to be able to stop that rush.
Speaker 4: Things have changed, right, So your running game ain't gonna
Speaker 4: be the same. Actually, I ain't gonna lie toe. That
Speaker 4: seemed like a once almost a once in a decade
Speaker 4: type of offensive line construction that we put together.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen you rarely see those those.
Speaker 4: Three or four guys on the same offensive line for
Speaker 4: that amount of time, and they're getting lead leading rushers
Speaker 4: year in and year out.
Speaker 3: Y'all really think they're gonna go grab a running back
Speaker 3: though I don't know the possibility exists. We have seen
Speaker 3: him add players before.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Who is it? Who is it
Speaker 2: that y'all believe?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess you any wait, so there's somebody out
Speaker 4: there though where you're saying, you know what, that that
Speaker 4: guy would be a guy I want to bring in.
Speaker 4: First of all, don't be talking about guys who's starting
Speaker 4: on other teams.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about we can't. I'm talking about that possibly
Speaker 2: Ibion Bella's let us know he's available. It's available out
Speaker 2: Let's take our first rate when we come back.
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Speaker 4: twenty three. That happens like we are in June right now,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Before you know it, we'll be ready
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Speaker 4: sure we all realize that.
Speaker 2: Man, we have.
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Speaker 2: So that's crazy.
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Speaker 3: No, I decided I didn't want to be there for
Speaker 3: the start. Okay, ted tired of being there for the start.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be nothing going on.
Speaker 2: Out there? What's happening at the end for the media party.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: It's funny said that I've only gone to two media parties.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not.
Speaker 2: A sushi fan. That noble right, And I don't drink
Speaker 2: so cheap date. Man, you don't like you don't like
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Speaker 3: So I will go out August thirty first till June, June, August.
Speaker 2: August, July thirty first to August tenth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, day, he got some other stuff I got August thirty,
Speaker 3: July thirty one, August, wrap.
Speaker 2: It up newly. Come on, man, I'm going on. Yes,
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Let's do that.
Speaker 3: Clarence Hill for the Star Telegram, as au Colon Mountain, says,
Speaker 3: the slandering of Dallas Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has gone
Speaker 3: too far, and it stems from a piece written in
Speaker 3: the thirty third along with former Dallas Cowboy now term
Speaker 3: broadcast to Ross Tucker, where they ranked the coaches in
Speaker 3: the National Football League. Mike McCarthy came in twenty first,
Speaker 3: and Clarence says.
Speaker 2: And rightfully, so this is just braw. This is just raw.
Speaker 3: Andy Reid's number one, Bill Belichick's number two, Mike Tomlin
Speaker 3: number three.
Speaker 2: All three guys are.
Speaker 3: Destined to be enshrined, and can't know how all three
Speaker 3: guys have won championships in this league. It gets tricky
Speaker 3: where you start looking at number five? Is Nick Sirianni?
Speaker 3: Come on now, two years lost the Super Bowl? But
Speaker 3: two years number eight Brian Daball of the Giants.
Speaker 4: Wait a second, it's bad off last year? Or this
Speaker 4: is this is there right now, right now, right now?
Speaker 4: So these are there, These are their thirty two rank,
Speaker 4: the thread.
Speaker 2: Over Bill Belichick. So they got to be just talking
Speaker 2: about like what they saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So fourteen they put soul brother Mike McDaniel on the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: O Mike, Mike, he's fourteen. Fifteen is Kevin O'Connell of Minnesota.
Speaker 3: After one year, even though I mean I just recall
Speaker 3: and saw that the Cowboys went to Minnesota and beat
Speaker 3: them forty to three. And sixteen another guy who mcarthy
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys meet last year, Dan Campbell eighteen Arthur
Speaker 3: Smith of the Falcons. Yeah what and they just then
Speaker 3: you got Mike McCarthy coming in at number twenty one.
Speaker 2: It's player right there. You just stop. That's good. It
Speaker 2: is what it is. That's out of pocket.
Speaker 5: I mean the man that went to back to back
Speaker 5: playoff appearances. Yeah, they didn't go as far as you
Speaker 5: know we all expected, but.
Speaker 2: He's been in the playoffs back to back years.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, people talk about his you know,
Speaker 5: game management and all that stuff and undisciplined team, but
Speaker 5: I feel like from that first playoff season where they
Speaker 5: had a bunch of penalties and it ended up hurting
Speaker 5: us in the actual playoff rounds, he got this team
Speaker 5: better and more discipline. The penalties are way down.
Speaker 2: So I to me, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Think that's complete disrespect right there. I mean, you got
Speaker 5: guys in it that just got into the head coaching
Speaker 5: position and they're ranked well above I mean, you're talking
Speaker 5: about soul brother down in Miami, Like, how is he
Speaker 5: ranked that high?
Speaker 2: It just makes no sense to me.
Speaker 5: And look, Mike McCarthy got a chance to, you know,
Speaker 5: this year, call on the players and say, hey, you
Speaker 5: know all that disrespect y'all was saying, we'll see what
Speaker 5: happens with it.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm gonna say this was Mike McDaniels ahead of
Speaker 4: both Dan Campbell and Mike McCarthy. Yes, that is both
Speaker 4: of those are incorrect because I'm not gonna put Dan
Speaker 4: Campbell above Mike McCarthy because I don't think he's gotten
Speaker 4: there yet, but they both above Mike McDaniels. I think
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy has been disrespected. I think that he is
Speaker 4: much higher than that. I think the job that he
Speaker 4: has done here, he has gotten better every year. Although
Speaker 4: we haven't gotten over to San Francisco hump. Hopefully this
Speaker 4: year with the changes, will be able to. But he's
Speaker 4: been able to that got hurt for five games last season,
Speaker 4: and we figured out a way to go.
Speaker 2: Four and one. Four and one.
Speaker 4: You go out there and you beat the Brakes off Minnesota.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even watch the game. I heard about it
Speaker 4: in South Africa.
Speaker 2: Man, you ain't gonna believe what the Cowboys did to
Speaker 2: the Micers all the way in South Africa.
Speaker 4: They told me so, No, it don't make no sense.
Speaker 4: I want to give some shout out to Dan Campbell,
Speaker 4: but also Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: They need to be much higher.
Speaker 4: I think that list is what is the thirty okay?
Speaker 2: What is the third? Okay? So that's about right, right, there,
Speaker 2: what is it?
Speaker 3: Andy Reid won, Bill Belichick two, Mike Tomlin three.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy is twentieth.
Speaker 3: All time in wins in the National Football League one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five and sixteen years, and only eight
Speaker 3: men have a better winning percentage than Mike McCarthy. So
Speaker 3: you start looking at how they're ranking this list and
Speaker 3: you just think about, okay, and I think at the
Speaker 3: Tomlin number three is not based off what Mike did
Speaker 3: last year with that team, though I thought he did
Speaker 3: a really good coaching job with a.
Speaker 2: Team that was right. I always have.
Speaker 3: You mean, when they made you go out there and
Speaker 3: play at Mitchell Trubisky, they trying to hurt you.
Speaker 2: But the man got through it. He did.
Speaker 3: The man got through it. He is a Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame coach. But to sit up here and not take
Speaker 3: into account of what Mike has done, and then I
Speaker 3: think about the two twelve and five, the two twelve
Speaker 3: win seasons, These are things that haven't been done since
Speaker 3: Troy eight men and m Smith were playing for the cap,
Speaker 3: which you had that kind of talent. And there is
Speaker 3: not a team or roster of guys on this year's
Speaker 3: team that there are going to be a bunch of
Speaker 3: gold jackets like that Cowboys team in the nineties.
Speaker 4: That's a great article by Clarence by the way, And look,
Speaker 4: I think the Cowboys could have gone a number of
Speaker 4: different ways right before hiring Mike McCarthy. All the names
Speaker 4: that you heard that they were potentially looking at, we
Speaker 4: could have plucked the coach from the college ranks. Lincoln
Speaker 4: Riley was a name that they were talking about there
Speaker 4: for a while.
Speaker 2: I mean so many.
Speaker 4: Different guys that could have been at Jerry's house, eaton
Speaker 4: Nacho's on that faithful night that he decided to hire
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy. He was the right guy. The disrespect for me,
Speaker 4: I think has always been there for Mike. And when
Speaker 4: you look at this list, to me, I just say, look, man,
Speaker 4: you discount guys based off the factors. Have you won
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl? If you ain't won Super Bowl, you
Speaker 4: can't be raked ahead of them. We just to start
Speaker 4: taking plucking guys off that list based off of that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to look. They hate on Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: every chances they get. And also, by the way, because
Speaker 4: he's the Dallas Cowboys head coach. But this is the
Speaker 4: year for me and I'm gonna give him a mulligan
Speaker 4: for the two season because of COVID and all of that.
Speaker 2: But those two twelve and five.
Speaker 4: Back to back seasons, winning a playoff game last season,
Speaker 4: now taking over as the offensive play caller, he gets
Speaker 4: an opportunity to truly put his imprint on this team
Speaker 4: when in the other years he's been discounted at every stop.
Speaker 2: I mean last year, at this time, we were talking
Speaker 2: about Sean Payton, you.
Speaker 4: Know, we were talking about him being replaced, everything that
Speaker 4: he's done right, But now he gets that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's always been waiting to say, Look, when I.
Speaker 4: Get my opportunity to call this offense, that's where I'm
Speaker 4: gonna put my foot on the gas. And this is
Speaker 4: the opportunity maybe he has as ahead come.
Speaker 3: You brought up a great point because on the NBC
Speaker 3: Sunday Night Football Night in America, they do a call
Speaker 3: every year when they do meet with the media, and
Speaker 3: I asked, Jason Garrett and Tony Dunchey are part of
Speaker 3: that show. How does Mike McCarthy go into this season
Speaker 3: knowing there's a whole lot of talk about Sean Payton
Speaker 3: and his job being out there. No, by the way,
Speaker 3: they got another guy who's there in the building and
Speaker 3: dan Quinn that Jerry Jones is pumped up as as
Speaker 3: a potential head coach, so have all that going on.
Speaker 3: They addressed it right there for the press conference. Jerry
Speaker 3: tried to blame the media for you brought it up.
Speaker 3: Mike handled that you lose Dak Prescott game one. We
Speaker 3: were all like, bro, I mean this this boy all right,
Speaker 3: So we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Start to draft show early and they he gets through that,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: You know, Michael got the whole gallup thing and we
Speaker 3: like our wide receivers James Watte, that whole thing was
Speaker 3: a mess. To have all that going on and to
Speaker 3: have the mental toughness as a head coach to get
Speaker 3: these guys to play, and for them to have the.
Speaker 2: Year they did.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's being reflected because it was not.
Speaker 3: What he accomplished last year was naughties.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 3: And heck brbish is because of of your your your
Speaker 3: your great Hall of Fame, Uncle Joe Green. You see
Speaker 3: two different right The way the Steelers work, you know, definitely, you.
Speaker 2: Know it's different than you. It is.
Speaker 3: It is a lot there's a lot of stuff besides
Speaker 3: football going on here.
Speaker 2: I mean just a couple of weeks ago, we came
Speaker 2: down here to do the podcasts. Have to feel as unusable.
Speaker 2: They got.
Speaker 3: Like RV's out here for the Country Music Awards. You
Speaker 3: can't go use the facility in there because they got
Speaker 3: it all set up for the Country Music Awards, so
Speaker 3: it rains, so they had to go inside. And there's
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that goes on here beside just football.
Speaker 3: And I think Mike McCarthy does an excellent job. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how many coaches notly come in here
Speaker 3: and handle this. There's certain jobs and I've been forced
Speaker 3: up to cover the Lakers. That's a tough job. That's
Speaker 3: a tough job, right, the Cowboys, that's a tough job.
Speaker 3: You want to manage the Yankees, that's a that's a
Speaker 3: tough job. You know, people have these expectations and sometimes
Speaker 3: they're not really there.
Speaker 2: I think Mike stepped.
Speaker 3: In here figuring and finding out like, yeah, this hang
Speaker 3: Green Bay, and after that first year he made the
Speaker 3: adjustments and I think the guy, I think the guy
Speaker 3: has done a good job.
Speaker 2: And to say.
Speaker 3: Twenty first, this is twenty first best head coaching in
Speaker 3: that perspect.
Speaker 2: I think twenty one to two. Little.
Speaker 4: I mean, I need to know because this has to
Speaker 4: be cleared up. Okay, are we talking about based off
Speaker 4: what they did last year? Are we talking about their
Speaker 4: full body of work? It has to be based off
Speaker 4: last year. Just be last year because if Tumblin is
Speaker 4: on that list, I know that.
Speaker 2: But because look but you got day ball eight.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, so I think that list is they
Speaker 4: they put in the top three on body of work
Speaker 4: maybe and then maybe everybody else, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: It seems like there's no there's no continuity in and
Speaker 4: how they ranked these coaches. Because are you Carol okay,
Speaker 4: you said, okay, a coach they went to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Last year's ranked number? What is h Serianni five?
Speaker 3: Coach soul is fourteen, and you got McConnell at fifteen,
Speaker 3: And that's that's you know, clearly you're looking at what
Speaker 3: they did last year.
Speaker 2: What did they put Rivera? Was he had a was
Speaker 2: he a had a mic? No?
Speaker 4: No, he is Revera's nineteen. There is no that list
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 2: It's been discredited right here.
Speaker 4: On the players last It don't make It don't make
Speaker 4: no don't make no sense. You say that if you
Speaker 4: based off last year, you want to talk about the Stillers. Okay,
Speaker 4: they did, they did good considering what they had, but
Speaker 4: by no means was that what they were of the
Speaker 4: best teams in the league.
Speaker 2: So what were we talking about? Bill Belichick? We watched him.
Speaker 2: We was like now two years rading up the building.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, so you're definitely not talking about
Speaker 4: just what they did last year, especially at the top.
Speaker 4: It has to be their overall body at work, which
Speaker 4: then discredits your list because now you got other guys
Speaker 4: on here. It just based off what they did last year.
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Speaker 2: OTA.
Speaker 3: So that's the organized team activities. It is voluntary with
Speaker 3: the quotes.
Speaker 2: Volunteer you better show up out of that.
Speaker 3: But it's this mandatory and voluntary white you here, Where
Speaker 3: are you at? So there's not a kicker on the
Speaker 3: roster that is a veteran kicker that we have trust, time,
Speaker 3: proof and consistency that we've seen here heck Ma that
Speaker 3: but that that concerns me.
Speaker 2: More than the running back room.
Speaker 3: Because there was a guy available at Robbie Gold and
Speaker 3: he's now off the market.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a stupid problem to have right now
Speaker 4: at this point again again, like here we are again,
Speaker 4: and I mean the meltdown of our kicker last season
Speaker 4: was just a good thing. We were able to overcome
Speaker 4: that in a playoff win, but could have cost us
Speaker 4: right it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how we keep arriving back at the
Speaker 4: same point.
Speaker 2: And Bones Fossil, as.
Speaker 4: Much as he's been celebrated as a special teams coach,
Speaker 4: it seems like Greg leg whoever you got, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, go through your roller decks of guys that
Speaker 4: you have, because this is just a dumb problem. Of
Speaker 4: all the problems that we have, this is the one
Speaker 4: that is so inconvenient.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where they're gonna go. Especially when
Speaker 2: I saw Robbie.
Speaker 4: Lee like that, I'm like, oh, I know it's going
Speaker 4: to go after that, dude. And we did not in
Speaker 4: this and all the guys that are left out there
Speaker 4: in free agency, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: The guys that have been here before, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I really, like I said, man, I
Speaker 4: just think this is a silly problem to have, man.
Speaker 4: And here we are again for a team that plans
Speaker 4: on running the ball as much as Mike McCarthy said,
Speaker 4: you just you just have to understand that you're probably
Speaker 4: gonna be in situations where you're inside the thirty five.
Speaker 2: It's fourth and four.
Speaker 4: You got to make the decision on what you're gonna
Speaker 4: do kick the field goal, which if you don't have
Speaker 4: a kicker you could trust. Now you got to figure
Speaker 4: out a way to drop your best fourth and four
Speaker 4: play consistent and stresses you out.
Speaker 2: It stresses you out.
Speaker 4: It stresses you out as a fan base, It stresses
Speaker 4: you out as an organization and ownership. So you gotta
Speaker 4: be able to have trust in a guy to say,
Speaker 4: hey man, we need a fit the yard on right now,
Speaker 4: go kick it and feel confident that they're going to
Speaker 4: make it and not be holding your breath every time
Speaker 4: it goes up, because that's what we've been feeling like
Speaker 4: the last two years.
Speaker 2: It is a horrible problem to having.
Speaker 4: Hopefully somebody becomes available or there's a guy who just says,
Speaker 4: hey man, I got way better.
Speaker 2: Than I was last year and I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 4: That's the hope that I have to have, right because,
Speaker 4: like you said, Robbie goes off the market, and like
Speaker 4: I said, I played with the guy he's a great kicker,
Speaker 4: great leader. Uh, you know, he on the special teams,
Speaker 4: he led out he led us out there as the kicker.
Speaker 2: So it was tough to see him go. But hopefully
Speaker 2: we find another guy. How much is a dumb problem?
Speaker 5: How many times that we you know last year? Oh man,
Speaker 5: I don't know that it's a thirty five, it's a
Speaker 5: forty yard field.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. And then the playoffs
Speaker 2: we ended up having to go for it because he
Speaker 2: had the yips.
Speaker 5: And so to me, man, like you said, this is
Speaker 5: just a dumb problem to have, and we should have
Speaker 5: been this in the but but you know, once again
Speaker 5: we're going bargain shopping for of an important position.
Speaker 2: Huh. He don't know nothing about that. He don't know
Speaker 2: nothing about that storm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon mcm this was cut by the Broncos last month.
Speaker 3: It was a part of that Tuper Bowl winning team.
Speaker 2: Nine seasons that I think.
Speaker 4: Kicking an altitude huh, no altitude.
Speaker 2: And no altitude. So I mean, there's there's guys. It's
Speaker 2: it's scary to me.
Speaker 3: That's I'm more worried about that than running back. Fine,
Speaker 3: it's clearly it's hard to find clutch kickers.
Speaker 4: And based off of the margin of victory, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think you talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: The margin of victory in the NFL is two to
Speaker 4: three points, and that could be that can be the
Speaker 4: difference in the win loss. And I don't want to
Speaker 4: see a fourth and fourth play. I don't want to
Speaker 4: see it. You get down in the red zone and
Speaker 4: it's a parent that the field goal will work for
Speaker 4: you here and put your defense back out on the field,
Speaker 4: because that's what we're gonna have. We're gonna have a
Speaker 4: defense this year that's gonna be able to shut people down,
Speaker 4: get the ball back for the offense. But look, things
Speaker 4: are not always clicking. And if you can take three points,
Speaker 4: get off the field, put your defense back out there,
Speaker 4: that works better than going gobbling up all this time
Speaker 4: off the clock, getting down the red zone and then
Speaker 4: getting nothing. Like as you watch the game, you understand
Speaker 4: the pressure and the fourth and whatever it's like when
Speaker 4: you have to go get it. Like when you watching
Speaker 4: the game, you're like, oh, man, like hair turning gray?
Speaker 4: Everything right, And you could you could easily take that
Speaker 4: away by having you a kicker that you can trust man,
Speaker 4: going all the days of Dan Bailey when he was
Speaker 4: knocking the things through right down every time, going to
Speaker 4: those days. But hopefully we get that, get that, get
Speaker 4: that fixed, or you know those plays that Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 4: on the lab, he's gonna be using them a lot.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be using them a lot.
Speaker 3: So Cowboys getting back at it. They will meet with
Speaker 3: the media today, eager to hear from Mike McCarthy. Is uh,
Speaker 3: maybe that maybe, maybe maybe I ask the kicker question
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I'd be nice NEWI.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you knew with some questions in there that you know.
Speaker 4: I've seen the several media meetings where you're sitting in there, man,
Speaker 4: and I know, I.
Speaker 2: Like that's new here asking that question.
Speaker 3: Oh man, why you have to do this at a
Speaker 3: press cause I thought you just did this is the
Speaker 3: players loud asked about Josh Ball for you, Well let's go,
Speaker 3: and McCarthy love, Well, let's go.
Speaker 2: He's doing good.
Speaker 3: Come around ball. You know he's going to move a
Speaker 3: little inside.
Speaker 2: And hey, red crumb boy walk right into it. I
Speaker 2: will say, my dude.
Speaker 3: I learned a lot from the parcels pressers, and I
Speaker 3: learned a lot from Jason's pressers. Jason was all about
Speaker 3: what he didn't say, what he wouldn't say. Hey, that's
Speaker 3: about Danny. K You know what, Danny McCrae is a
Speaker 3: ball loving guy. Okay, he's here all the time. You
Speaker 3: never have to worry about him working. Well, what about
Speaker 3: you know, so and so and such and such. We
Speaker 3: like the way he's coming. You know, he's here, he's working,
Speaker 3: trying to get better each day. He's you know, he's
Speaker 3: just putting in that work. You know, he not he
Speaker 3: not praised him. So that's how I found out how
Speaker 3: Jason felt about dudes. And I'm starting to figure out
Speaker 3: how McCarthy is. And so Josh Ball he talked about
Speaker 3: even playing inside. We're like, well we heard about this
Speaker 3: a six seven guard, but you're gonna get his flex on.
Speaker 2: But you love him. Let's go over there to me.
Speaker 3: I've told a whole lot Josh Ball, Well, not on
Speaker 3: your way. This key camp for you, Key camp for you.
Speaker 3: You know you right, you better come with it him,
Speaker 3: boss man Fat. That's probably what I'm started trying to
Speaker 3: figure out who the dudes that are in trouble though,
Speaker 3: Boss Man Fat put out say.
Speaker 2: Not in trouble. I say this to year Hey, who
Speaker 2: are you? I mean for ota?
Speaker 4: Is anybody that you looking at besides Boss Boss Man
Speaker 4: Fat and uh tober doesn't that needs to have a
Speaker 4: really good camp, need to have a really good camp
Speaker 4: or just player that you got your eye.
Speaker 3: Boy, I'm not worried about toberd as much because they're
Speaker 3: not letting the third round guy go in year two.
Speaker 2: There, They're not. He's gonna be here. He's gonna be here.
Speaker 2: You know what. Okay, you know what I got on
Speaker 2: that on my side, I got time.
Speaker 3: This is this is my twenty be the twenty sixth
Speaker 3: camp of Cowboys. I watched and I have seen I've
Speaker 3: seen dudes like this, and you know.
Speaker 2: What, they keep him around.
Speaker 3: When I sat there one time, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: they probably should cut Dwayne good Rich.
Speaker 2: This dude not it?
Speaker 3: Even talking to players on the team like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: he ain't that serious? What they do they kept around?
Speaker 3: Why because he took him in the second round. Then
Speaker 3: he do nothing. He went out and had his issues
Speaker 3: and we know how that worked out, right, So so
Speaker 3: jay O Tober's here.
Speaker 2: Anybody else you're looking at? Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 4: I want to see the commentary because what we saw,
Speaker 4: the what we saw Duran Bland dou last year, You're
Speaker 4: gonna have to you gotta really step up. No, not
Speaker 4: as being cut, but as having your playtime.
Speaker 2: Hey b is in that conversation too. What's he gonna
Speaker 2: do with me? Some of these guys just gonna be
Speaker 2: on courge. When you gonna come back and manure? It's
Speaker 2: time there, it's time.
Speaker 3: Ago, It's time to man He had a woman, Farry Church, Hackmherrison,
Speaker 3: Danny McCrae was strack, which all thank you will.
Speaker 2: Jazz Chris Bean.
Speaker 4: This ship overshaw Baby, I gotta see this guy me
Speaker 4: in that right month.
Speaker 2: Goodbye, fuckay Man.
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