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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. Before we start this episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: let you know that this one includes some graphic descriptions

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Speaker 1: of pregnancy loss, including both abortion and miscarriage. This episode

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Speaker 1: also mentioned suicide and includes allegations of sexual assault and

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Speaker 1: domestic violence. When Clayton Eckered walked into the courtroom for

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Speaker 1: his June tenth trial against Laura Owens, he wasn't alone.

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Speaker 1: The room was packed with supportive family, friends, and dedicated

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Speaker 1: content creators like Dave Neil.

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Speaker 2: There were fifty people in the courtroom in ten thousand online.

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Speaker 1: Clayton says having that support actually calmed his nerves.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't nervous because it's bigger than me.

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Speaker 1: It was bigger than him. There were two people in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom that day who'd been in Clayton's shoes. They'd

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Speaker 1: been subpoena to test because they'd been through something similar

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Speaker 1: with Laura Owens. The first Greg Gillespie.

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Speaker 3: Is he in the courtroom today?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you already know Greg's story, but there was a

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Speaker 1: third man in court supporting Clayton. When Clayton got on

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Speaker 1: the stand, his attorney took a moment to point out

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Speaker 1: the two witnesses.

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Speaker 3: You're aware that she's filed orders of protection against two

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Speaker 3: other individuals seated in the back of the courtland correct,

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Speaker 3: what's correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes, they are on the left, Greg Gillespie and Michael Marantini.

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Speaker 1: Time ran out before Clayton's lawyers could call either witness.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't the point.

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Speaker 5: All you need to do is just acknowledge that they exist,

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Speaker 5: because then the judge sees it and goes these guys

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Speaker 3: There's three of them. This corrob rates the.

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Speaker 2: Story that clearly this woman is at fault and she's

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Speaker 2: not going to stop.

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Speaker 1: As you know, the judge sided with Clayton. She went

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Speaker 1: so far as to recommend that the County Attorney's office

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Speaker 1: review Laura's actions to determine if they warranted criminal charges.

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Speaker 1: It was a win for Clayton and for both of

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Speaker 1: the men who'd come prepared to testify that day. One

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Speaker 1: of them has been working to clear his name for

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Speaker 1: almost a decade, and his story may be the most

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Speaker 1: disturbing of them all.

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Speaker 3: My name is Mike Marriccini. I dated Laura for a

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Speaker 3: year and a half.

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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie Young, and this is love trapped.

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Speaker 3: There's no way you'd better believe.

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Speaker 1: I'll be raising Holy Helmas if you ever, ever, ever, ever.

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Speaker 6: Trastic.

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Speaker 1: Six years before Laura Owens met Clay and Eckered and

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Speaker 1: four years before she met Greg Gillespie, she was living

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco and was swiping on dating apps, which

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Speaker 1: is how she met Mike Marraccini.

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Speaker 3: When I think back on what originally made me swipe right,

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Speaker 3: there was a photo of her in like a plaid shirt,

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Speaker 3: jean shorts. She looks like almost like a little country girl,

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Speaker 3: and she looked really cute. You didn't see a lot

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Speaker 3: of that in the Bay Area. Her bio mentioned that

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Speaker 3: she was a big animal lover, which I've always grown

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Speaker 1: So they started messaging and made plans to meet up

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Speaker 3: Our first few dates were actually really fun. We had

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Speaker 3: a lot in common. I actually thought, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: this individual is a little on the nervous side or

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Speaker 1: Within a few dates, they discovered they had mutual friends.

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Speaker 1: Says he's not a bridge burner. He generally avoids conflict.

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Speaker 1: Every woman he dated he tried to leave on friendly terms.

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Speaker 3: With That's how I always viewed our relationship as, hey,

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Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out as a loving relationship, maybe

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Speaker 3: we can be friendly with one another, because we did

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Speaker 1: Groups back then. Mike and Laura were both in their

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Speaker 1: late twenties. He was dating around, hoping to find the

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Speaker 1: of their relationship, Mike saw a side of Laura we

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Speaker 3: She was really thoughtful. She was always picking up baked

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Speaker 1: But within a few months, that side of Laura was

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Speaker 1: replaced by something else, intense control, guilt trips, broken promises,

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Speaker 3: I know what.

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Speaker 7: This woman is capable of, and though she might be

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Speaker 7: small and stature, she's got a pattern of behavior that

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we're telling Mike Marriccini's story. It's a

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Speaker 1: standout in this case, mostly because he dated her for

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Speaker 1: a year and a half. He knows Laura much better

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Speaker 1: than Clayton or Greg ever did. Mike says their relationship

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Speaker 1: left him with lifelong psychological scars. It also tells us

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Speaker 1: a lot about who Laura Owens is. It answers some

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Speaker 1: of the big questions I've grappled with since I started reporting,

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Speaker 1: like what's her endgame? Why does she do this? And

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Speaker 1: maybe most interesting of all, what does her family know.

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Speaker 1: If you're one of the people who's been following the

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens story from the beginning, then you might remember

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Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty five, Mike Maruccini was featured on

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Speaker 1: Inside Edition.

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Speaker 8: This man says he's been living a nightmare after the

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Speaker 8: woman he dated falsely accused him of fathering twins.

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Speaker 1: Inside Edition was only able to tell a fraction of

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Speaker 1: the story that we'll be telling, but their coverage was

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Speaker 1: a turning point for Mike. He wasn't hiding anymore. He

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Speaker 1: wanted to tell the truth about what he'd been through

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Speaker 1: with Laura Owens.

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Speaker 8: According to Michael, after he broke up with Laura Owens,

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Speaker 8: he says, she came up with a news story that

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Speaker 8: he had abused her. That claim totally up ended Michael's life.

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Speaker 1: When Mike looks back on his relationship with Laura, he

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Speaker 1: can now see some of the early red flags.

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Speaker 3: On the third day, she said that her father was

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Speaker 3: terminally ill and she wanted him to meet me just

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Speaker 3: in case something was never happened to him.

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Speaker 1: When Mike was thirteen, his father passed away from lung cancer.

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Speaker 3: Which she brought up to me that her father was.

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Speaker 3: I said, I would give everything for just one more

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Speaker 1: Really early on, but the idea of meeting Laura's parents

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Speaker 1: intimidated Mike. They were local celebrities, both well known San

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Speaker 1: Francisco radio personalities. Her dad's show, The Ron Owens Report,

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Speaker 1: had been on the air for over thirty years.

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Speaker 3: They were pretty notorious in the Bay Area.

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Speaker 1: After their third date, Mike agreed to go to dinner

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Speaker 1: with Laura's parents. This was his introduction to the unique

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Speaker 1: Owen's family dynamic.

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Speaker 3: When I first met her father, people were coming up

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Speaker 3: to this individual NonStop. Everybody would recognize them right when

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Speaker 1: Mike noticed that Ron Owens seemed to like the attention.

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Speaker 3: You had, like major A list celebrities approaching him, and

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Speaker 3: he talked about how close he was with like Bob

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Speaker 3: up to him, wanting to get a photo with him

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Speaker 3: I come to our table.

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Speaker 1: After that night, Laura seemed to be much more attached.

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Speaker 3: Every evening she would prefer to spend with me rather

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Speaker 1: Laura started saying she was in love with him.

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Speaker 3: I noticed that was like the first initial red flag,

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Speaker 3: considering I'd only known her for a month, and she's

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Speaker 3: just way too into this. She's already throwing out like

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Speaker 1: He started distancing himself, taking longer to reply to her texts,

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Speaker 1: pushing back their next date. You know, the stuff you

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Speaker 1: Then came Mike's twenty ninth birthday. He planned to spend

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Speaker 1: he got the message that changed everything.

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Speaker 3: I get the text and just positive pregnancy tests. The

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Speaker 3: immediate thoughts are, oh my gosh, how is this possible?

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Speaker 3: Because we had really only had like protected sex.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing that happened with Greg and Clayton.

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Speaker 1: Just as Mike began to pull away, Laura sent a

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Speaker 3: I immediately thought to myself, Oh my god, my life

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Speaker 3: is over. Not about having a child, but who I'm

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Speaker 3: I knew that this person wasn't right for me anymore,

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Speaker 1: But then he thought about how scared Laura must be

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Speaker 3: I wanted to support her at the time. I thought

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Speaker 1: Mike made plans to meet with Laura the next day.

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Speaker 3: She then has us do a meeting with her parents

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Speaker 1: The four of them sat down together at a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Mike was on pins and needles.

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Speaker 3: We're at it's like a little Italian dinner, and I

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Speaker 3: like it's it's just not enough time, and they said like, hey,

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Speaker 3: thank you, we respect that you came forward to us.

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Speaker 3: I remember jam grabbing my hand during the conversation. She

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Speaker 3: you for being such a kind individual, for being stand up,

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Speaker 3: and we really appreciate you being by her throughout this journey.

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Speaker 3: Now that I think back, it's such an odd scene,

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Speaker 3: but I felt like they really cared. At the time, the.

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Speaker 1: Whole conversation with her parents felt like a minefield, especially

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Speaker 1: because her dad was sick. Mike offered to go with

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Speaker 1: schedule it as soon as she could. It was settled.

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Speaker 3: I felt relieved that we were on the same page,

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Speaker 3: and so my expectations were that she would have an

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Speaker 1: Soon after, he got a text from Laura's dad. We've

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Speaker 2: Hi, Mike. I was thinking last night that it's been

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Speaker 2: unexpected and wonderful to feel as if I've gained someone

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Speaker 2: feel very blessed. Please always treat Laura, will I know

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Speaker 2: she really does like you.

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Speaker 1: Mike thought it was a strange message, but Ron was

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Speaker 1: sick with cancer. It made the impending breakup feel even

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Speaker 1: more difficult.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I was just about

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Speaker 3: to split up with her, Like, how do I do that?

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Speaker 1: That's when Mike made a simple, careless mistake.

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Speaker 3: So I screenshoted her dad's text because I wanted to

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Speaker 3: send it to my mom and myr and I wrote

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Speaker 3: under the screenshot something along the lines of how am

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Speaker 3: I supposed to break up with her now? But I

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Speaker 3: guess I was in a rush and I was rattled,

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Speaker 3: and I accidentally sent that text in screenshot to Laura directly.

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Speaker 3: Right when I went through. I had like a pit

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Speaker 1: It's nightmare fuel. He watched Laura's three dots appear, disappear,

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Speaker 1: and appear again, and.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget. She responded and said, is that for me?

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Speaker 3: I told her that was not meant for her and

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Speaker 3: it was a wrong text.

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Speaker 1: In the moment, Laura didn't have a big reaction. She

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Speaker 9: Are you still my partner? Do you want to be

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Speaker 9: My mom's here trying to determine if it's an emergency

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Speaker 3: It was always for a different reason of why we

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Speaker 1: But then on August second, she told Mike she just

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Speaker 9: I left my appointment yesterday being super upset because my

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Speaker 1: Mike was overwhelmed with updates. He didn't understand how any

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Speaker 3: It was very confusing for me at the time. I remember,

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Speaker 1: In mid August, Laura told him her doctors had a

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Speaker 3: She says she had cancer.

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Speaker 3: She was going through this process of saying that she

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Speaker 1: This began a strange three way communication between Mike, Laura,

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Speaker 3: Then she had this doctor since she respond to me

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Speaker 3: and say, no, you're wrong. Laura's right, she definitely has cancer.

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Speaker 3: You need to be a better boyfriend. She's told me

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Speaker 1: This reply, allegedly from Laura's doctor, would become an exhibit

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Speaker 10: Thank you for your email. I am sorry you're going

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Speaker 10: his questions Stage one A is without a doubt, considered

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Speaker 10: You were correct, Laura, that this cancer is found only

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Speaker 10: this means you just might have malignant cancer cells. Please

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Speaker 10: I sincerely hope things get better.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the physical proof Mike had been expecting.

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Speaker 3: Why is this so worthy coming from a doctor? They're

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Speaker 1: I need to say something here. You won't be surprised

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Speaker 1: to learn that Mike was later dragged into a legal

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Speaker 1: The message Laura forwarded Mike allegedly from a doctor Chan

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Speaker 1: June tenth, twenty twenty four trial with Clayton Eckered, Laura

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Speaker 6: Be so as you.

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Speaker 1: Also failed to tell me that in twenty sixteen, doctors

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Speaker 11: They did not Okay, so as you say here today,

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Speaker 11: I will absolutely deny that that happened.

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Speaker 1: And this time she tells the court doctor Chan treated

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Speaker 4: Medical records, which we're going to talk about as we

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Speaker 3: I'm going to butcher this.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, polycystic ovary syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Correct. Who's your doctor that treats you for that?

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Speaker 11: That would be nobg y N. But I haven't established

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Speaker 11: I was treated by doctor uh Chan. He is uh

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Speaker 11: He's for cancer. Okay, yeah, for cancer. They thought that

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Speaker 1: Mike Marriccini she had a surgery to remove her right ovary.

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00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: She texted Michael letter from Sutter Health dated August thirty first,

444
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. It appears to confirm that she had her

445
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: right ovary surgically removed. This letter would become an exhibit

446
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: in that same restraining order case we mentioned earlier. Once

447
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Laura was back home recovering from the surgery, she reached

448
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: out to Mike.

449
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: Laura had been texting me to please come by, like

450
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: she just went through a big operation. She was really sad.

451
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: She needed somebody there to be with her.

452
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 1: As we said earlier, Mike's dad died of cancer when

453
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: he was a kid. Laura's request for him to come

454
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: be by her side as she recovered pulled on Mike's

455
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: heart strings. Despite everything that happened between them, Mike decided

456
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to show up for Laura.

457
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: So I go over. There's like an ice pack on

458
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: her head.

459
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: But Laura wasn't alone. Her mom, jan Black was with.

460
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: Her mom's icing her Laura abdomen.

461
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: Immediately the scene felt off to Mike. There was no

462
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: hospital bracelet, no medication bottles, and as he looked closer,

463
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: no abdominal swelling, no bruising, no wound at all. He

464
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: blurted it out.

465
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: Where are your lacerations? Like, there's nothing here, there's no bandages,

466
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: there's nothing. Her mom started to speak, and she's like, Oh,

467
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: they don't have to do that.

468
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: Laura and her mom, Jan explained that the surgery is

469
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: done through the vagina with no visible external incision.

470
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: I said, WHOA, There's no way she's lying about this.

471
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: No way. Her mom is gaslighting me right now about

472
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: her daughter having cancer.

473
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: During Mike's relationship with Laura, her parents, Ron Owens and

474
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Jan Black were major players.

475
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: Her mom and dad would always pressure me to try

476
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: and stand by Laura, like, our daughter is such a

477
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: good person, Why can't you just make this work. She's

478
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: going through so much, whether it's physical ailments, abortions, She's

479
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: doing all these things to try to make your relationship last.

480
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: The summer and fall of twenty sixteen had been incredibly chaotic.

481
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: Laura told him she'd had repeated abortion attempts and complications,

482
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: and now she was recovering from cancer surgery.

483
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: She told me they removed her right ovary and her

484
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: mom was right there essentially operating at I remember saying

485
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: to her, I don't get what is happening. I don't

486
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: know how this is possible.

487
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: Mike knew all of this couldn't be accurate. He figured

488
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: there must be some exaggeration on Laura's part or a

489
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: game of telephone gone wrong between Laura and her doctors,

490
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: especially when it came to her cancer diagnosis.

491
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: She knows that my dad had passed away from cancer.

492
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: She knew that my stepfather currently had it. She said

493
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: that her father had it, and then I just I

494
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: couldn't even like wrap my head around it that somebody

495
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: wouldly about having cancer.

496
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Since their third date, Laura had been telling Mike about

497
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: her father's cancer diagnosis, and to be transparent, we don't

498
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: have Ron's medical records. We can't say if he did

499
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: or did not have cancer during this time. What we

500
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: do know is that almost every time Mike started to

501
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: pull away from Laura, she told him about a new

502
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: crisis with her father's health. Here are some of the

503
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: texts from Laura to Mike read by a voice actor.

504
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 9: Doesn't seem great, but my dad got pulled from the

505
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 9: air because they think he may be having a stroke.

506
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 9: So dealing with that, I'm in a really bad mood.

507
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 9: My dad went to the cardiologist and he said, my

508
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 9: dad has to have open heart surgery to replace his

509
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 9: valve asap. He got the worst possible news. I think

510
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 9: we could have gotten this afternoon.

511
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: At the time, Mike believed that Ron's health was declining.

512
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: He could see it with his own eyes, but Ron

513
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: was still working full time in radio, hosting his daily

514
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: talk show. Then in December twenty sixteen, Ron presented Mike

515
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: with a career opportunity.

516
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: Laura's father thought that I had a good radio voice,

517
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: which I did not.

518
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: What Mike didn't have was a background in radio were broadcasting,

519
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: but he was in the middle of a career transition.

520
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Ad would say to me, are radio stations looking for

521
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: people to like meet the next generation of individuals. They

522
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: want somebody who's young, who connects with like the millennials.

523
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: Ron took Mike and Laura out to dinner to discuss

524
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: the possibility with them.

525
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: So we're having dinner. Ron's bringing this up to me

526
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: and Laura then starts really pushing this radio gig. She's like, Okay,

527
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: I've talked with the station and the station really wants

528
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: us to talk about like a dating show.

529
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: Co Hosting a dating talk show with Laura was the

530
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: last thing Mike wanted to do. Then Ron mentioned the money.

531
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: The contract we're talking about with Laura is like quarter

532
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: of a million dollars a year, and you don't have

533
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: to work that much. It's maybe like a couple hours

534
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: a day.

535
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Having eighteen years of radio experience myself, let me just

536
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: say these numbers are unheard of. In twenty sixteen, I

537
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: worked part time as on air radio talent in Chicago.

538
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: I worked my ass off, picking up every extra shift

539
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I could, and I made about twenty grand that year.

540
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: I had another full time job to supplement my income.

541
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: All that to say, no one new to the industry

542
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: is paid a quarter million to get on the mic.

543
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: The highest starting salaries for full time work in twenty

544
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: sixteen would be about sixty K. But Mike didn't know that,

545
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: and why would he question Ron Owens the voice of

546
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco. That's how Mike found himself recording radio shows

547
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: like this one.

548
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 12: Hey guys, my name is Laura Owens and I am

549
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 12: joined by my co host, Mike Marraccini.

550
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Like Feticini, it's kind of a ton.

551
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 11: Twista Marcini, like Fetacini.

552
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: That's how you guys need to remember his name. Mike

553
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: worked in real estate. He knew that radio was not

554
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: his forte.

555
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: I want to be very clear. It was terrible.

556
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Apparently, Ron Owens and his agent thought the pilot was

557
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: solid gold. Mike wasn't exactly passionate about the radio show idea,

558
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: but the money on the table was too good to

559
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: pass up, so.

560
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: On the weekend start doing these radio things with Laura.

561
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: I looked at it as just another revenue string to

562
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: put myself ahead in life.

563
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: This was back before everybody had a podcast. The segments

564
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: they did never aired on the radio, but they were

565
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: posted online on the KGO website. That December, Ron and

566
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Laura claimed the radio station wanted the duo to fly

567
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: to Iceland for New Year's Eve to do a boots

568
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: on the Ground travel episode, all on the station's dime.

569
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, free trip. I don't have to

570
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: stay with you. I'll have separate rooms. Let's go do this.

571
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: In the months since the abortions and cancer surgery, the

572
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: relationship had drifted apart. I've read Mike's texts with Laura.

573
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: During this time, he's distancing himself and asking for more

574
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: verification about her medical claims. Laura didn't handle this well.

575
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: She started texting Mike grand romantic overtures. We've had a

576
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: voice actor read one of those texts.

577
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 9: I love you so deeply there aren't words for it.

578
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 9: I will go to the end of the earth to

579
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 9: make your dreams become reality if you need me to.

580
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 9: I will be that reliable of a partner, not being

581
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 9: the one you have to worry about all the time.

582
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 9: I'm going to be the great Netflix and chill girl

583
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 9: hooking up in laningerie glacier, walking, spontaneous New Year's Eve, kissing, supportive, understanding,

584
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 9: co dog owner, and eventually wife that you deserve and

585
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 9: that is my life's mission that I will paint tomorrow.

586
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 9: I love you more than I ever have loved any

587
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 9: man in the world.

588
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Mike responded to that text by saying that all sounds nice.

589
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I know what makes you feel better to look ahead,

590
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: but you need to live in the present while you

591
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: get help. A few weeks before their trip to Iceland,

592
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Mike asked Laura to stop telling people they were dating.

593
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Apparently this upset Laura in a huge way. Mike says,

594
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: she started talking about taking her own life. He encouraged

595
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: her to get professional help. Then Laura's dad texted Mike

596
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: something alarming. We've had this text read by a voice actor.

597
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: We are desperate to get a hold of her and

598
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: nothing yet. She said, you are talking. Can you please

599
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: respond to her? We need her back.

600
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: Mike was done being in the middle of this triangle.

601
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: He told Laura, we need to have a meeting right now.

602
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: He decided to bring a witness so he wasn't alone

603
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: with Laura. He picked up his sister's boyfriend now his

604
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: brother in law, and when they arrived at Laura's house,

605
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: they saw that she'd brought a witness to her.

606
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: Dad, Ron does the majority of the talking. He says,

607
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: why are we here? So I clearly lay out why

608
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: we're all there.

609
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Over the last nine months, Mike had been on a

610
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: an emotional rollercoaster pregnancies, abortion's gone wrong, and an alleged

611
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis. Mike didn't know what to believe anymore, so

612
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: he told Laura and Ron the truth.

613
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: I feel like I've been lied to this entire time,

614
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: and I would like an explanation of why I've been

615
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: lied to.

616
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: Mike's brother in law would sign a witness declaration testifying

617
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: to what he saw that day. We're not naming him

618
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: at his request, but that declaration would later become an

619
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: exhibit in a restraining order case. Here's Mike's brother in

620
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: law reading from his foreign statement.

621
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 13: During the meeting which your father, Ron Owens dared, mister

622
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 13: Owens told Michael and his daughter had a tendency to

623
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 13: exaggerate or even flat out make things up.

624
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: He remembers being struck by Ron's nonchalance.

625
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 13: He did indicate knowledge of her just being this way

626
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 13: and doing this. This was a first rodeo, he'd been

627
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 13: down this road before.

628
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: At this point, Mike needed to state the obvious. Anything

629
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: romantic between him and Laura was over.

630
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: Laura then is crying because I'm breaking up with her.

631
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: Laura became inconsolable. That's when Ron pulled them aside.

632
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 13: He had this kind of smile, a weakened nod moment

633
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 13: with Mike to get him to to no doub Laura.

634
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Here's Mike's now brother in law reading another excerpt from

635
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: his witness declaration.

636
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 13: Laura was complaining of depression and suicidal thoughts at the

637
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 13: fear of her relationship with Michael ending, and was very distraught.

638
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: Mike's brother in law signaled to him to just focus

639
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: on getting or calmed down. So Mike said what Laura

640
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: and Ron wanted him to. He agreed to stay with

641
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: her for the time being, even though everyone knew it

642
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: was just delaying the inevitable.

643
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 13: He was doing what and playing nice for a couple

644
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 13: of weeks or a month so he can get his

645
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 13: daughter in the right state of mind. It wasn't like

646
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 13: You're gonna fall in love with my daughter and Mary

647
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 13: or Ron was just asking him to give them some

648
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 13: time to get her help and get her in a

649
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 13: better place before making that step. It was unlike anything

650
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 13: I've ever been a part of by a long shot.

651
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 13: Laura had this kind of guilty look on her face.

652
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 13: I guess is the only way I can describe it.

653
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 13: She knew she was caught. It was just going along

654
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 13: with whatever arrangement would keep Mike in her life. She

655
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 13: was desperate for him, that was very apparent. She was

656
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 13: really just wanted to do anything to salvage the relationship.

657
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: After they left, Mike says he got a text from

658
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Ron Owens a screenshot of that text was later submitted

659
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: as an exhibit in a restraining order case. Here's the

660
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: text Ron sent Mike, read by a voice actor.

661
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: Please call Laura and promise her anything she wants to

662
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 2: keep her alive, and I promised to help you get

663
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: out of it as soon as she's safe. Please.

664
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: Now, this wasn't the only promise Ron had been making

665
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: Mike over the last nine months. There was the quarter

666
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: million dollar radio contract and the trip to Iceland, which

667
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: was already booked and paid for. In the wake of

668
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: the confrontation, Laura told Mike the Iceland trip was off

669
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: and she was no longer going.

670
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: And I thought I was just going to be going

671
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: by myself.

672
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: But on December thirtieth, when he boarded the Red Eye

673
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: from San Francisco to Iceland, he realized he'd made a

674
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: serious miscalculation.

675
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: She's sitting right next to me, which is going to

676
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: be worse.

677
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: This flight will later become part of the Laura Owens mythology.

678
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: The flight takes off and she immediately starts crying on

679
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: this Red Eye flight, and it's progressively good. It's much

680
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: worse and much more hysterical. She's asking me, like, do

681
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: you forgive me, do you love me? Do you see

682
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: a future with us? And it would be like the

683
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: same repeated questions, and I just said, please leave me alone,

684
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: like we can talk about this at another time. I

685
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: didn't even expect you to be on this flight and

686
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: you're here. You just gonna give me some space. That's

687
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: really what I'm looking for. If you ever want a

688
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: relationship like friendly and or romantic, like you need to

689
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: give me some space. People around us are all like

690
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: turning around looking at us, and she's like lifting off

691
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: my headphones saying please talk to me, Please talk to me.

692
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: And I just said, like, hey, I'm going to go

693
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: to the bathroom. I don't want to have any more

694
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: discussions with you. I don't think it's a good place

695
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: to be doing this. So I get up and I leave,

696
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: and I sit in the bathroom until somebody comes and

697
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: knocks on the door and tells me that I have

698
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: to essentially leave. I never yelled, I never raised my

699
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 3: voice once, never did anything. I was just annoyed and

700
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: just said, please just leave me alone.

701
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: The flight was emotionally draining for Mike. He wasn't even

702
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: prepared for her to show up on the trip let

703
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: alone sit next to her for six grueling hours. It

704
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: felt like it would never end, and in a way,

705
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: it hasn't. We'll come back to this later. By the

706
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: time they landed in Rekievic on December thirty, twenty sixteen,

707
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: Mike regretted getting on the flight.

708
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: We then arrived and I said, I'm flying back, like

709
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: there's no point for this trip anymore, like I don't

710
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: want to be around you, and she says, no, I

711
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: will fly back, and I was like great.

712
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: He went to his room, but the next morning Laura

713
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: was still there.

714
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: She then decides not to leave.

715
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: It was New Year's Eve. Laura began begging Mike to

716
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: spend the evening with her, but Mike had no desire

717
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: to do that.

718
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: Later that night, her father then calls me and says, like, Michael,

719
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: you guys haven't seen each other at all. Would you

720
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: please just spend time with her.

721
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Mike had a hard time saying no to Ron. Remember,

722
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: they were technically there for work, or at least that's

723
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: what Mike believed. He hadn't made any money from the

724
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: job yet, but it's true his whole trip had been

725
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: paid for, so he gave in and eventually agreed to

726
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: participate in a couple of activities with Laura. Before they left.

727
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: I said, okay, we'll do like the last two events together,

728
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: which was the Blue Lagoon and the Dog's Flooding. I

729
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: didn't hang out with her much. She wanted to take

730
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: a photo of the two of us there together for

731
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: the podcast purposes. She posted the one photo of us

732
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: to her Instagram, like we were dating. I saw her

733
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: at Lake Breakfast and I was like, what are you doing?

734
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Like we are not together? I'm getting messages from people

735
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: asking for together, and I was like, we're not together.

736
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: After Iceland, Mike didn't see Laura except for when they

737
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: recorded a radio show. Laura was asking him for a

738
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: full time commitment to the show, but Mike was skeptical.

739
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: He hadn't spoken to anyone at the station directly. Instead,

740
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Mike's only contacts were Laura, Ron, and somebody who Mike

741
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: believed to be Ron's agent. Despite Mike's doubts, the supposed

742
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: success of their first travel episode somehow led to another offer,

743
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: a trip to Dubai.

744
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: They said they had listened to it and was really successful,

745
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: and they wanted to promote another destination. Spose so that's

746
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: why they purchased Dubai trip.

747
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: Ron really wanted them to take this opportunity, but he

748
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: felt like it would be unsafe for Laura to go alone.

749
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: He was like, but she's going to a country in

750
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: the Middle East. She definitely needs somebody. Because I don't

751
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: women very well there. I was like, okay, being a

752
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: typical wet wipe that I am, I just went with it.

753
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: Looking back, Mike can't explain why he went to Dubai.

754
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: He didn't know how to get out. He'd never been

755
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: in a situation like this before with anyone, much less

756
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: with an entire family.

757
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: You can't say no to Ron. You definitely don't want

758
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: to be on his bad side.

759
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Mike said that trip to Dubai was pretty uneventful, and

760
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: they stayed in different rooms in the same hotel. One

761
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: thing he said really stood out to me though.

762
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: She did try to like solicit me to a sex

763
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: and I would not have sex with her.

764
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: At the tail end of the trip, Mike got bad

765
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: news from back home. His stepdad, who was like a

766
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: father to him, had suffered a massive stroke. He'd been

767
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: placed on a ventilator. As soon as they landed back home,

768
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: he rushed to be by his stepfather's side.

769
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: We go to the hospital and within a couple of hours,

770
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: they essentially unplunked the ventilator in front of me.

771
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: Laura didn't go with Mike, but he told her what

772
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: was going on.

773
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: She saw me like breaking down the airport, but she

774
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: seemed like very kind in the moment, and she's like,

775
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm just so sorry. And her family was very kind

776
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: at the time, like I was very upset with them,

777
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: and they sent my family flowers and all these other

778
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: things to try to butter us up. After everything that

779
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: had transpired.

780
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: After the du Bai trip, Mike continued to distance himself

781
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: from Laura, at least romantically. He also told her he

782
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: was out of the radio deal.

783
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: I was still very friendly with her. I did not

784
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: want to make enemies of them, and I wanted to

785
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: be as friendly as possible as I was exiting the relationship.

786
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: I made it to the point where we would have

787
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: a coffee every few months, where it would just be

788
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: like a friendly conversation because I just wanted to keep

789
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: the peace.

790
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: But Laura wouldn't let it go. She continued to push

791
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: for a relationship. Mike clearly wasn't interested in It got

792
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: to the point that Mike could only see one way out.

793
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: I told her that I was moving out of San

794
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Francisco just because she kept trying to press a relationship.

795
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: And I said like, hey, I'm moving away, like there's

796
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: going to be no more of this anymore.

797
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: To be clear, Mike wasn't planning to move. He just

798
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: needed a way to get her to stop communicating with him,

799
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: and for a few months it seemed to work. He

800
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: thought the whole Laura Owen saga was finally behind him.

801
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: That all changed though, the night she met my next girlfriend,

802
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: and then the tides turned back to chaos with her.

803
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: He started dating someone new who happened to live four

804
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: blocks away from Laura's apartment.

805
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: A new restaurant opened up right next to Laura's house

806
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: that my girlfriend at the time wanted to go and

807
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: try it.

808
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: As they walked into the restaurant, Mike saw something through

809
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: the front window.

810
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: Out of the corner of my eye, I think I

811
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: see Laura and her friend in this restaurant. We walk

812
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: in and I look over like lock eyes with Laura

813
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: and her friend, and I was like, oh shit, she

814
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: now sees me with this blonde and she knows that

815
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: this is probably a girl that I'm on a date with.

816
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: So I turned to my girlfriend and I say, hey,

817
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: there's somebody in here that I do not want to see.

818
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: Would you mind if we leave? We can come back

819
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: here different evening. My girlfriend was like, absolutely, let's get

820
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: out here, no questions asked whatsoever.

821
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: Mike hadn't told his new girlfriend about Laura. Honestly, he

822
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't know how to explain it or where to start.

823
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: So they left the restaurant and made plans to come

824
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: back the following night. There was no way Laura would

825
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: be there two nights in a but when they showed

826
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: up the following evening, we go into the.

827
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: Restaurant the next night. They walk us to the back

828
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: of the restaurant and they sit us down at a table,

829
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: and directly next to us is Laura and her mother.

830
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: This time there was no way out.

831
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: They stand up and she walks up to us, and

832
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: her mom walks up and I say, hey, how are

833
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: you doing? And they introduced themselves to my girlfriend, which

834
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: then got a response out of my girlfriend to tell

835
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: them her first name.

836
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: The conversation ended there, and Laura and her mom left,

837
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: but Mike still owed his girlfriend an explanation.

838
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: It opens up a whole can of worms of who

839
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: is that? Why do they approach us like that? Why

840
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: were they kind of weird?

841
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: Mike gave her a simple answer.

842
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: That is who I was trying to avoid last night.

843
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: This is a person that I used to date, and

844
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: they caused me a lot of pain.

845
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: The next day, Mike went over to his girlfriend's place,

846
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: but when he got there, something was very wrong.

847
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: She is like visibly shaking. I was like, what's wrong?

848
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: It looks like you just saw a ghost. Laura had

849
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: found her on social media because she gave Laura her

850
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: first name, and she pulls up these messages from Laura.

851
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: Mike stared at the messages in.

852
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: Disbelief, and it says, all these really vile things about me,

853
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: that I took her within inches of her life. I

854
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: would strangle her, I would beat her, that I ranked her.

855
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: After Mike Marriccini ended his relationship with Laura Owens, he

856
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: ran into her. Mike was with his new girlfriend, found

857
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: her online and contacted her. Laura told her that Mike

858
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: had assaulted and raped her during their relationship. I had

859
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: to ask Mike about these allegations.

860
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: I never abused Laura Owens. I can say that with

861
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: one hundred percent certainty.

862
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: But Laura was telling people he had and those messages

863
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: to his new girlfriend were just the beginning.

864
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: The next night is what really took it to the

865
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: next level. You gotta understand, two nights in a row,

866
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: I see her, I then deal with my girlfriend at

867
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: her place on that third night, and on the fourth night,

868
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna give my girlfriend of a little

869
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: bit of space for me. I'm gonna go out to

870
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: dinner with my sister.

871
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: Mike grabbed dinner with his sister Stephanie that night. He

872
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: spent the whole time catching her up on the chaos

873
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: of the last three days.

874
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 6: Michael was terrified. He had always wanted to give her

875
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 6: the benefit of doubt, but I think he felt a

876
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 6: tremendous ament of shame. He had no peace, He was

877
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 6: constantly worried.

878
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: He was very depressed.

879
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: He wasn't his jovial fun self.

880
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Stephanie couldn't help but worry about her brother. They finished

881
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: dinner and made their way out of the restaurant. Then

882
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Speaker 1: Stephanie saw Mike jump.

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Speaker 3: Laura is standing at the exit of the restaurant.

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Speaker 1: His sister walked right up to Laura.

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Speaker 3: My sister essentially says, leave my brother alone. Why are

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Speaker 3: you following us? And in the middle of the street,

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Speaker 3: she goes, you don't know who your brother is.

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Speaker 6: He was terrified. He went white. He like went to

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Speaker 6: the side and put his head down. I'm the one

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Speaker 6: that got in her face and said, how dare you

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Speaker 6: put my brother through all this trauma? And I am

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Speaker 6: the one that responded to her. Mike did not he

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Speaker 6: knew what he was dealing with. I didn't at the time,

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Speaker 6: which is why I was just as loud as she was.

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Speaker 6: And I will always have a regret responding to her

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Speaker 6: because I think that antagonized her.

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Speaker 1: The confrontation ended with Laura saying that if she ever

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Speaker 1: saw Mike again, she was going to call the police.

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Speaker 1: Mike couldn't get away from her fast enough. He was

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Speaker 1: spooped in a way he'd never been before.

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Speaker 3: I've now seen her three out of four nights after

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Speaker 3: not seeing her for a while. I need to be

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Speaker 3: on the offensive here. I just want to make a

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Speaker 3: repolice report because I actually got scared of so I

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Speaker 3: called the police that night. They come and they file

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Speaker 3: a report, and the next day is when it all

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Speaker 3: starts erupting, and that's when she starts utilizing the justice

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Speaker 3: system to take advantage of me.

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Speaker 1: Once the police notified Laura that Mike had filed the

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Speaker 1: report against her, she responded with the filing of her own.

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Speaker 3: She filed a restraint uarder against me and said that

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Speaker 3: I had been harassing and stalking her and taking her

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Speaker 3: with the niches of her life. And that's when the

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Speaker 3: next seven years of lawsuits begins.

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Speaker 1: Mike was thrown into a legal battle similar to what

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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckered and Greg Gillespie would soon go through, except

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Speaker 1: Mike spent nearly a decade fighting it. The whole time

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Speaker 1: he thought he was the only one. That was until

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when a family law attorney in Scottsdale

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Speaker 1: took on an unusual case.

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Speaker 4: I remember thinking during Greg's case that this would eventually

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Speaker 4: be a lifetime television movie because it was so bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Attorney Greg Woodnick hadn't seen anything like this before. An

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Speaker 1: allegation of abortion coercion brought by a woman named Laura Owens.

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Speaker 1: While Woodnick was working on Greg's case, Laura sent him

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Speaker 1: a link to a video. It appeared to be Laura

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Speaker 1: herself giving a TED.

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Speaker 4: Talk TED Talk Who is this person?

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, Laura gave a TEDx talk titled

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Speaker 1: the Life Saving Power of Kindness from Strangers. Just to

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Speaker 1: be clear, TEDx is the localized version of the program,

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Speaker 1: not the national TED stage. Wouldn't it Click the link

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Speaker 1: to Laura's TEDx talk and watched dumbfounded as she began

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Speaker 1: to tell a story of a plane ride to Iceland

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Speaker 1: gone horribly wrong.

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Speaker 12: December thirtieth, twenty sixteen, After months of planning a once

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Speaker 12: in a lifetime trip to Iceland, it's finally here. It's

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Speaker 12: finally time to go on flight one sixty two San

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Speaker 12: Francisco to Reraikiyevik. This plane ride should be a time

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Speaker 12: to drift off to sleep and dream about seeing the

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Speaker 12: northern lights, to wonder what it's gonna feel like, to

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Speaker 12: soak in the blue lagoon, to go dog sledding for

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Speaker 12: the first time. Only you can't because of the noise

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Speaker 12: in the background. And no, it's not the roaring of

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Speaker 12: the jet engines. It's the loud voice of the man

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Speaker 12: sitting behind you who helped you with your luggage. He's

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Speaker 12: speaking to a woman who's incessantly sobbing. He's spewing insult her,

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Speaker 12: demeaning her, and the more she cries, the harsher they become.

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Speaker 12: She can barely get out a word to respond to

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Speaker 12: him through her tears. She keeps crying and he sounds disgusted.

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Speaker 12: Look at you. You've never been my type. You're ugly.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to skip ahead a few minutes. Laura continues,

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Speaker 1: speaking from the perspective of a passenger witnessing the incident,

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Speaker 1: a woman who will later become known in the online

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Speaker 1: community as Napkin Lady.

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Speaker 12: There's a napkin under your cocktail and a pen in

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Speaker 12: your purse. You quickly scribble a nope, you're write, dear girlfriend.

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Speaker 12: I know the Lord had me overhear your conversation to

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Speaker 12: let you know that you are a very beautiful young

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Speaker 12: woman that should have a man that makes you cry

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Speaker 12: with wonderful laughter, not bullying.

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Speaker 1: The woman who allegedly passed Laura this note is named

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Speaker 1: Karen Ilmberger. Karen later signed a witness declaration corroborating Laura's

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Speaker 1: account of what happened on the flight. I've reached out

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Speaker 1: to Karen several times, but have never received a reply.

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Speaker 1: Here's how her note to Laura concluded.

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Speaker 12: You are being abused and he will never love you

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Speaker 12: like you deserve. I'm very concerned about you, and I'm

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Speaker 12: praying for you. Run from him. My name is Laura Owens.

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Speaker 12: I was the crying woman in seat twenty two eight.

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Speaker 1: The tedex Talk continues with Laura describing how she survived

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Speaker 1: domestic violence at the hands of an unnamed ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 12: We'd had a fairy tale start, and then it came

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Speaker 12: down fast. It seemed like overnight. His charm and compliments

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Speaker 12: turned to criticism. His comments became more and more menacing,

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Speaker 12: until finally the verbal abuse became physical.

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Speaker 1: Laura's tedex talk went live in January twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: nearly five years after her relationship with Mike Maruccini ended.

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Speaker 1: The video is still up on YouTube. It has one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand views at least at the time

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this, but the comments have been turned off.

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Speaker 1: The video has been reported numerous times on a platform

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Speaker 1: with over forty four million subscribers. Laura recounted not only

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Speaker 1: being verbally abused, but physically abused.

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Speaker 12: The first thing he did once we landed in Iceland

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Speaker 12: and got to the hotel. Was asked me to pick

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Speaker 12: a number, not knowing why I picked forty. He said

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Speaker 12: that was how many times he was going to slot me.

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00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 12: He did, and then he choked me. The less oxygen

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 12: I breathed in, the more he smiled.

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Speaker 1: Attorney Greg Woodnick treated this video like evidence back then,

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: he was working on Greg Gillespie's case, and Laura's TEDx

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00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: talk raised a question who was the unnamed ex boyfriend.

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00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: We obviously immediately scrambled to figure out what the hell

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00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 4: she was talking about. That's actually how we found Mike Marraccini.

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00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: Would N'tick made some calls and finally got in touch

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00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: with Mike Marraccini.

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00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 4: I remember getting off the phone with him after I

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 4: first spoke with him, and I found him to be

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: very guard I think I misread the situation. In hindsight,

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 4: I think Mike was traumatized.

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00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: Before we end this episode, there's one more thing I

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00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: need to say. Michael Marriccini denies that he ever physically

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00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: or sexually abused Laura Owens, but that is at odds

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: with Laura's account and her mom's account in a sworn

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00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: witness declaration from twenty eighteen. Her mom, Jan Black, told

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00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: the courts quote one morning in or around late May

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: or early June twenty sixteen, Laura came over to our

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00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: house with a black eye. When I asked her what happened,

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: she started crying and explained that Mike had hit her

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00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night while she was sleeping.

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00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Laura told me that she thought Mike was asleep when

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: it happened, and said it was probably involuntary. She expressed

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00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: fear about the idea of sharing a bed with Mike

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: because he'd hit her so hard. However deliberate or accidental

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: it may have been, that would have been in their

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: first few months of dating. In the same witness declaration,

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Jan details multiple instances where Laura appeared to be injured

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00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: after alleged physical abuse from Mike Maruccini. Here's another quote

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Speaker 1: from Jan's sworn statement. In or around spring twenty seventeen,

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00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: Laura told me that Mike had strangled her again. I

1022
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: told her it needed to stop and that she needed

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: to get out of the relationship. She said that Mike

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00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: had apologized to her and promised he wouldn't do it again.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: She expressed hope that he would change and would treat

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00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: her like he used to before the abuse started. I

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: had thought the Iceland incident was an isolated event until

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Laura shared this with me. In all of her declarations,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: Jan never mentions her daughter having cancer, but in this statement,

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Speaker 1: Jan Black does corroborate Laura's account of receiving a handwritten

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00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: note on a napkin during her flight to Iceland. Jan wrote,

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Speaker 1: and I quote. On November seventh, twenty seventeen, I sent

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Speaker 1: an email to the address listed on the cocktail napkin

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Laura was given. I explained that I was trying to

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Speaker 1: locate the woman who took the time to write Laura

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Speaker 1: the note and asked if I had the correct email address.

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Speaker 1: The following day, November eighth, twenty seventeen, I received a

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Speaker 1: response from a woman named Karen Elmberger, saying, I remember

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00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: your beautiful daughter. A true and correct copy of the

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00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: email is attached here too as exhibit one. I sent

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: miss Elmberger an email that day, explaining that Laura was

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Speaker 1: doing much better since she had broken things off with

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Speaker 1: Mike and thanking her for the note. I told her

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Speaker 1: Laura's eyes were really open to what a bad relationship

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Speaker 1: she was in when she received the note from her

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Speaker 1: on the flight that day. As I said before, our

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: team has reached out to Karen Ilmberger multiple times for

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Speaker 1: confirmation of this account, she has never replied. On the

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Speaker 1: next episode of Love Trapped.

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Speaker 3: Wait there's another guy, I was like, who's Clayton?

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00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 10: And that is when we found the Reddit thread.

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: Point. I saw mm and I was like, are they

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: talking about me?

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Speaker 4: That laptop included a trove of medical records from years before.

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Speaker 7: When I think of Mike's laptop, I just think of

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 7: it like sitting alone in a giant room in a

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 7: museum with just a spotlight sitting on it.

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Speaker 5: We hope that justice has served and that this individual

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Speaker 5: is referred to the DA for prosecution so that a

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Speaker 5: future victim doesn't have to go through what we've went

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Speaker 5: through the last few years.

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