1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. Thanks for tuning in a little bit of 3 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: background at the top of the show. Today we have 4 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: been gallivanting, uh, hither and yawing. Let's see, no, where 5 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: we're Where were you recently? Oh? I was in Mauritania 6 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: for a little while, and then before that I went 7 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: to Fraggle Rock, and then I spent a little bit 8 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: of time down under uh in little Australia. Yeah, let's see. 9 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: I went to uh, Texas, I pursued some of my 10 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: old SKA band dreams. What does that mean? Is Texas 11 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: like scot Central? No? No, this was after Texas. After Texas, 12 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: I went to Brussels, where my SKA band lives. It's 13 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a long story. And then also, let's see between us, 14 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: we've got Chicago, Los Angeles, some other countries. Again, we 15 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: can't mention those uh. Fraggle Rock was by far my 16 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: favorite through Those little dozers are adorable users. I think 17 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: there are an authoritarian regime. I have serious problems with 18 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: their government, but they're still cutest buttons. So uh So, 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: despite all of our travels, I gotta say, it feels 20 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: so good to be back in good old Atlanta g 21 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: a US. We are joined today by our guest producer, 22 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decade. Let's give it up for him. Uh, 23 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: and what we said your name? You're an I am 24 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Even if we didn't, I still am. Okay and I'm bed. Yeah, 25 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: we get. We don't need to have your name said 26 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: for you to have an identity, sir. That's true, that's true. 27 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: But if you want to be a citizen of the 28 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: United States, there is some paperwork involved as well as 29 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: some verbiage. If you're side an oath, got to speak 30 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: an oath, you gotta put your bloody thumb print on 31 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: a document, sign your name and in blood. Now, well, 32 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: you know it's changed over time. You still have to 33 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: have interviews, you have to take citizenship tests. Naturalization is 34 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: what they call it, right, and all three of us 35 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: recording today, and quite a few of us listening today 36 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: are citizens of the United States. Oh. What's strange about 37 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: this is that the United States is one of the 38 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,839 Speaker 1: countries that gives you citizenship just for being born here. 39 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Not every country is that way. But if regardless of 40 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: what your parents past is, etcetera, if you were born 41 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: on US soil, typically for most of history, that makes 42 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: you a US citizen. However, you and I started looking 43 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: into a very very strange story something about honorary citizenship. 44 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: You know this this means that you're allowing the US 45 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: to kind of claim you. They're like, all right, she 46 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: or he is one of the good ones. But they 47 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: don't have to actually do anything, and you don't have 48 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: to do anything getting an honorary degree, you know, just 49 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: for being a good guy. But like how a professor 50 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: emeritis doesn't teach classes, really, yeah, Emeritus justumplies some sort 51 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: of like ephemeral kind of like honor, you know, or 52 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: just by virtue of being this luminary in the field, 53 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: you you get to be this thing, yes, exactly, and 54 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: that sort of applies here as well. That's I agree. 55 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: I agree, uh, And I think that's spot on, because 56 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: it would be cool to be an honorary citizen of 57 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: a country, like I'd love to be an honorary citizen 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: of Baton or Vanuatu, which will show up in a 59 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: later episode. But in the case of the u S, 60 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: we found out that it is, uh, it is a 61 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: real thing. You can't have honorary citizenship if you don't 62 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: want the whole kitten caboodle. The problem is the honorary 63 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: citizenship may be one of the most difficult things to 64 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: achieve in this country of ours. It's right. It is 65 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: granted by an Act of Congress and the President. Uh 66 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: And to this day, unless we're missing one, only eight 67 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: honorary citizenships have been bestowed the entire time. Only time, 68 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: only eight. Here's what the State Department says about honorary citizenship. 69 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: Honorary citizenship does not carry with it the rights and 70 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: privileges of ord ursitisenship, and such status does not confer 71 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: any special entry, travel, or immigration benefits upon the honoree 72 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: or the honoree's relatives and dependents. You are in Texas, 73 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: weren't you been. It also does not impose additional duties 74 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: or responsibilities in the United States or internationally on the honoree. 75 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: It is a strictly symbolic act and no oath is required. Ah, 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: so it's not quite that. So it's literally just like 77 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: a wave of the hand and then it happens. It's 78 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: like a key to this. It's just like that. And 79 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: it's first of all, you they can they can give 80 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: it to you without your consent. To, can't they? Yes, 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: sort of the way that the Church of Latter day 82 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: Saints got in trouble for proxy baptism. Right, that's a 83 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: whole kind of worms there. But yeah, that's the thing. 84 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: None of these people are like asking for this as 85 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: as some sort of benefit or like it's going to 86 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: do something positive for their lives or they're going to 87 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: be able to use it in any functional way. It's 88 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: a strictly symbolic act that implies that this individual, not 89 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: a citizen, has done great things to aid our struggle 90 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: as a country. It's such an atta boy, And that's 91 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: why it's such a thin list, because it has to 92 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: be a lot like the burden of uh, you know, 93 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: do goodery is quite high. That's true. That's true. So 94 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: what we wanted to do today was explore the stories 95 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: of these eight honorary citizens, many of whom will be 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: familiar to you, some of whom may be deep cuts. 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: So let's get started with h first and foremost, one 98 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: of the most pugnacious, uh, one of one of the 99 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: most pugnacious, acerbic characters in modern European history, Winston Churchill, 100 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: who is his drunken escapades are worth an episode alone, 101 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: I would say, but Winston Churchill was the first foreign 102 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: national to receive honorary citizenship in the United States. Eight states, 103 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: this is interesting had already granted him citizenship, just not 104 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: the federal government, which I didn't know was the thing 105 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: that could happen. You know, if you're I guess if 106 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: you're the the governor of New Mexico, or maybe you're 107 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: the what what's a different state? What's the state? No 108 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: one talks about Delaware Rock still not a statement. What's 109 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: legally a territory? It's telling you it's because they have 110 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: tremendous not human rights abuses, but fraggle rights. You don't 111 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: think they should get honorary statehood and just for their 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: contribution to popular culture? No, man, those war crimes are 113 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: really bugged. Have you read the U N reports? Oh man, 114 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: they're heavily redacted. So yes they are, and they should be. 115 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I am not a fan of puppet crime, which is 116 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: why I support Sesame Street. But you can love them both, right, 117 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: it's not a Pepsi cooat thing. So yeah, I did not. 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: I was not aware that states could individually grant citizenship, 119 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: but eight states had already granted citizenship to Winston Churchill. 120 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: His mother was American. Uh, and this happened all before 121 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: JFK and Congress followed suit. So we have a quote 122 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: from Kennedy in his proclamation. Here's what he said about 123 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. Yeah, this proclamation praised Churchill for his quote, 124 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: brave ray, charity and valor, both in law and peace, 125 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: have been a flame of inspiration and freedom's darkest dollar. 126 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: That Okay, Kennedy, I mean there's probably a Kennedy. There's 127 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of Kennedy. Kennedy and there was there 128 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: was like maybe ten percent Kennedy. Oh, we gotta mixed up. 129 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Let's keep it interesting, right, Like it's like potted meat. 130 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: It's like potted meat. H Now with tim percent Kennedy exactly, 131 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I would I would buy that at the grocery store. 132 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: So Churchill's watching this. He is despite the flagrant abuse 133 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: he subjected his body to over the decades, he is 134 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: still alive. He is eighty eight years old. He's watching 135 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: a satellite relay of this from his home in London, 136 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: and his son Randolph accepts the honor on his behalf. 137 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: One other interesting fact, uh, one other interesting fact about 138 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: church He was also the recipient of the nineteen fifty 139 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: three Nobel Prize for Literature, which a lot of people 140 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: didn't know. But that's him. That's that's an easy one, 141 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: the famous rip roaring Okay, I can't keep saying Winston 142 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Churchill is a rip roaring drunk unless I do at 143 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: least one quote rip roaring, cigar smoking drunk. Here we go, yeah, perfect, 144 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: Let's let's just pull up one of his weirdest, weirdest 145 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: drunk quote a real hum dinger. So once upon a time, 146 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill is in a conversation with MP Bessie Braddock 147 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: uh or, the conservative lady Astor who was the first 148 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: female MP, and one of them accuses the Prime Minister 149 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: of being quote disgustingly drunk, to which he responds, my dear, 150 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: you are ugly, and what's more, you are discostly ugly. 151 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still 152 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: be dec Oh man. If that didn't get him a 153 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: swift slap across the jowls, I don't know what would. 154 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: He's got jewels that are hard to miss. So it 155 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but he had tremendous influence on the course 156 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: of the world, in which we lived to day and 157 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: he's an honorary US citizen. Wasn't he also like weirdly 158 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: eugenic or he did like you had something, you had 159 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: some really weird, weird, deep cut Churchill issues. Probably he's not. 160 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: He's not super cool. He's not a cool guy. He 161 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: was just very racist, that's what it was. Yeah, against 162 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: people who lived on the Indian subcontinent. Yeah, he was 163 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: still very much a son of the Empire, as in 164 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: like the colonizer, kind of like mentality. It was Star 165 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Wars like evil Empire. Yes, yeah, most of most of 166 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: the prequel Star Wars films are actually based off Winston Churchill. 167 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: He even kind of sounds like the Emperor. He does 168 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: ah as I the Emperor at the last second. And 169 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: this is the biggest controversy about Star Wars. They actually 170 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: cut out Winston Churchill's character and replaced him with jar 171 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Jar Binks. So if you look back next time you 172 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: watch Star Wars, you remember how much people disliked Jarge 173 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: our Binks. Just imagine it in its original form with 174 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. Do it's great. It's a it's a good, 175 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: it's a good, it's a good piece of cinema. So 176 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: that that was the first one in the era of JFK. 177 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: But who was after that? It wasn't until nineteen eighty one, shockingly, 178 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: which I guess makes sense considering how few of these 179 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: there are in the grand scheme of things. But we 180 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: have Raoul Wallenberg, who was a historical figure I was 181 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: not aware of, but something of a of a Oscar 182 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: Schindler type figure. Yeah. Yeah, So Hungary fought alongside Germany 183 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: during World War Two and past past anti Semitic discriminatory 184 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: laws towards Jewish people, but the Jewish population of Hungary 185 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: was to a degree spared the tragic, horrific genocide of 186 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Once Hungry wavered in the Axis Cause, Hitler 187 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: ordered the country immediately occupied and Jewish people living in 188 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: Hungary were ordered to be rounded up and deported, and 189 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: within the space of one year a half million people 190 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: were murdered by the German regime. And this is where 191 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: Raoul Wallenberg comes in. What what makes him a Schindler 192 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: esque figure. So Wallenberg was a businessman who got sent 193 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: to the Swedish embassy in Hungary, and he was an 194 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: issuer of passports. He issued six fifty passports to Hungarian 195 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Jews with ties to Sweden and that would offer them 196 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: protection from deportation. So when Wallomberg got into this post, 197 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: he um looked at how massive this humanitarian crisis was 198 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: and decided he needed to really take take charge and 199 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: step up his game. Um. And so with a little 200 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: bit of creative paperwork, a little bit of you know, 201 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: kind of um maverick like diplomacy, he was able to 202 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: protect in the same way that Schindler shielded Jews with 203 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: jobs in his factory and kept them from getting, you know, 204 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: sent to the camps. He was able to shield them 205 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: with this paperwork and these passports. Yeah, and he didn't 206 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: have the luxury of thinking in a very long term 207 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: way about this as a crisis situation. He's just attempting 208 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: to save innocent lives. The Fascist learn of Wallenberg's operation, 209 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: they pick up the scent, and so they immediately invalidate 210 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: all the paperwork they can find. They round up Jewish 211 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: people who had escaped with his help, and they forced 212 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: these people to walk to the Austrian border. But Wallenburg 213 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: is undeterred. So he is driving behind this forced march 214 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and people are pointing guns at him, and he's ignoring it. 215 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: He's he's feeding these people, he's bringing the water, he's 216 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: attempting to do anything he can medicinally, and he still 217 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: keeps issuing these documents. So at this point there's a 218 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: good argument to make that he has defied death, that 219 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: he should have been shot. Right, So let's fast forward 220 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: to the Soviet Union. They occupy Hungary in January of 221 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: n and they take Wallenberg into custody, and here is 222 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: where we stumbled across a mystery. Raoul Wallenberg, you see, 223 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: was never seen in public again. That's that's so anytime 224 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: you say that statement shivers of my friend and they 225 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: were never heard from again, has to be a pregnant 226 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: pause before it again if you just leave it as 227 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: never never heard from and that's sort of like it's 228 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: very vague. It's kind of like what we don't need. 229 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: They didn't call. You don't know how you don't call. 230 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: They had they had a throat thing, they couldn't speak. Now, well, 231 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: this was you know, this was Cold War era, so 232 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: information was tightly controlled, and we do not know what 233 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: happened to Wallenberg. We know that the Soviet government said 234 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: that he died shortly after being taken into custody that 235 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: he had a heart attack in a prison in Moscow 236 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: in ninety seven, but still no official word, no confirmation. 237 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: And that is why in nineteen eighty one he was 238 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: declared an honorary US citizen, which makes you wonder, you 239 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: know how much of that was a propaganda move. Well, 240 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is clearly has a lot of propaganda potential. Right. 241 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: There is the aim of Uncle Sam at this point 242 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: on the record at least is they said, you know, 243 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: we're going to make him an honorary citizen because this 244 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: will pressure the Soviets or the you know, the Reds 245 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: or whatever they called him at the time, to disclose 246 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: information about Wallenberg. It did not work, now, definitely did. 247 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: He was never heard from a Gain Gain gang game. Paul, 248 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: can we get a little a little ghosts? I felt 249 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: that a crossma spine? Al right, Bett? Who we got next? 250 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: Only a scant two years later? A scant two years later. Four. 251 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: Our third honorary citizen is William Penn. So this story 252 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: dates back to the sixteen eighties. There was a guy 253 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: named Charles the Second. He was in charge of a 254 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: place called Britain. He owed the Penn family money like 255 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: Lanister style, you know what I mean. So he settled 256 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: a debt with them in one by giving William Penn 257 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: forty five thousand square miles of land north of Maryland. 258 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: He gave that, he said, you know, I can't pay 259 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: you the cash, but here, here's all this land. What 260 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: they call it been Pennville, pent Town. Uh, pennywait, no, 261 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: penny wise. Okay. I like that. I'm thinking it's something 262 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: more familiar than we may have heard it before. Although 263 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about it, why penn Why Sylvania? 264 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Where I want to know the origin of of penn Sylvania. 265 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: It's like Transylvania. Do you think that's what it is? 266 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: Sylvan means forest. That's a good point, so as Sylvania 267 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: is a Sylvan region, penn forest. Maybe. Yeah, this is 268 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: what we call real time etymology. We just kind of 269 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: spit ball it out. Probably true, possibly not true. This 270 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: is this is what we ca what we call speculative 271 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: speculative etymology. I like that. That's gonna be Uh, it's 272 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna be my new my new title. I like the validation. 273 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna get a certificate that decreas me to 274 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: be a speculative etymologist. I think he deserved that ben 275 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: any more. So. It's true Penn's colony, which he dubbed 276 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in honor of his father, which you know also 277 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: one could argue in honor of himself. Hey, hey, you 278 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: know he is his father's son. Um. You know how 279 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: that they share the name. But it was a religious haven, 280 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: which you guys do you guys know about this for 281 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: for his fellow Quakers and um settlers of different faiths. 282 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: And Penn was a huge proponent of the rights of 283 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: representative government UM and also religious freedom and the ability 284 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: to receive trial by jury, uh, public education, a lot 285 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: of the important tenets of the U s constitution. And 286 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: are you know, wonderful country, a good look at out, dude? 287 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: Thank you On a personal level, I I enjoy all 288 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: of the things that you are into, if you can 289 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: hear me from beyond the grave. So the wheels of 290 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: justice grinding slow but exceedingly fine. And thus it comes 291 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: to pass that more than three hundred years after Penn 292 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: first arrived in this colony, he received honorary citizenship in 293 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: a country that he never lived to see established because 294 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the US didn't become a thing until after Penn's death, 295 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: which leads us to Hannah Callowhill Pen, who also received 296 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: honorary citizenship in that very same year of nineteen hundred 297 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and eighty four. She lived in Pennsylvania for only about 298 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: two years UM, and she was Penn's second wife, twenty 299 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: four years younger than him. I'm okay with that. Now, 300 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't work. That doesn't actually work out with the 301 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: with the math, the math. Have you guys heard the 302 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: you guys heard the dating math? What is it? It's 303 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: half your age plus seven seven? Is that the Every 304 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: time I have heard that, outside of outside of our 305 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: our irreverent conversations, every time I've heard somebody say that seriously, 306 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: it's a little bit off putting, you know what I mean. 307 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: It's like some guy you don't really know, You're at 308 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: a bar and they're telling you about their life and 309 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: then they refer to the math capital t capital in 310 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: exactly which also could you? I mean, I would love 311 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: to believe that that in that context is some sort 312 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: of acronym that we have. There we go, we have 313 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: yet to fully decode. Uh, the master age technical hierarchy? 314 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: I like that? Or how about this the master age transgression? Shoot? 315 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: I want to say gradient there's no g and then 316 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: that would be cool the math only, Um, what I 317 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: want to know is where's the magic. We've got the math, Now, 318 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: where's the magic? Just wait, you will hear more about that. 319 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: You see in this episode, uh so or in one 320 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: of these episodes. So she's only lived two years in 321 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and you know we're we're joking about the math 322 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, if people are happy and 323 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: they're not hurting anyone, let them be happy. Right. She 324 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: didn't get honorary citizenship because she because of her husband. 325 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: She in her own right was known to be an 326 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: activist and an advocate for espousing the same principles that 327 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: William Penn also evangelized for. Yeah, when William m became 328 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: sick in seventeen twelve, he had a bunch of strokes sexually, 329 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: I didn't really realize that and gradually became worse and 330 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: worse and just wasn't all there. She was able to 331 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: kind of take over the business that he had started 332 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: and carry on that mantle and really managed the colony's affairs, 333 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: and she would have was sending letters to various um 334 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: officials within the colonial governorship. And when William passed away 335 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighteen. She became the essentially the governor herself. 336 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: But that's not what they called it. Um. They called 337 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: it sort of an acting proprietor, which I guess is 338 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: sort of like being, uh, what do you call that 339 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: when you're interim governor? I like a substitute landlord, which 340 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's a little bit diminutive for sure. Now 341 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: it's a lot of bit dominative. And then she passed 342 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: away in sevent and she was the longest serving woman 343 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: in control of a British colony, a very important colony 344 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: as well. Hannah Calo Hill pen Uh. She is I 345 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: would say one of the more upstanding people on our list, 346 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: speaking of uh, speaking of controversy, which I have foreshadowed 347 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: just a bit here fun we'll see. Our next one 348 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: is Mother Teresa. Her first name was Agnes, but everybody 349 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: called her mother Teresa. And if you grew up around 350 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: the time that Nolan I grew up, then you have 351 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: you heard about her as a kid. She was hot, 352 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: she was big, yeah, and the scene. Yeah, she was 353 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: a real she was a real guaranteed headline, Right, you 354 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: have a Mother Teresa headline? Boom papers are selling out 355 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: back when people used to read physical newspapers. Agnes guna bojacksu. Uh. 356 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: That's g o n x h a b o j 357 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: x Hi. You not gonna lie. We had to google 358 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: that one pronunciation. Yeah, yeah, we did. Uh. She, like Churchill, 359 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: was named an honorary citizen while she was still alive. 360 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Get this, She and Winston Churchill were the only people 361 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: so far to be named honorary citizens while they're still alive. 362 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: It makes me think of um current. See. You know, 363 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: like here in the US, you don't get your face 364 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: on currency or coin until well after your death. So far, 365 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: some of the Teresa was Albanian. She was an Albanian nun, 366 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: and she had already received tons of the highest unit 367 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: US accolades in terms of the Nobel Peace Prize, Presidential 368 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: Medal of Freedom UM. And the funny thing is that 369 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: she didn't really spend a whole lot of time in 370 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: the United States to begin with. She worked with soup 371 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: kitchens under the Missionaries of Charity that she founded in 372 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. UM had emergency shelters, nursing homes, after school programs. 373 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: I almost said after school specials. That's something different, that's 374 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: a little more fraggle rock. Really it's very much so. 375 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: And she, you know, she just founded all of these 376 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: really really important nonprofits essentially that were designed to help 377 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: and nurture the poor and the homeless and just the 378 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: less fortunate. And when she did receive that on a 379 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: racitizenship when she was eighty six years old, uh, the 380 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: ambassador to India, which is the country where she first 381 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: started doing all of these good deeds good works, called 382 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: her quote a daughter of America, and she had done 383 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot of work in Calcutta, which was known for 384 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: its poverty. And she actually went on to be canonized 385 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 1: as well and received saint hood in ten But this 386 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: is a really interesting story and the process that goes 387 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: into canonizing someone within the Catholic Church is fascinating to me, 388 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: and some things that I was not aware of. Right 389 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: for a long time, the Vatican had a step in 390 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: the canonization process that required someone literally deemed as a 391 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: devil's advocate, and their entire role was to argue against 392 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: beautification and canonization, to say this person doesn't qualify as 393 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: a saint for the following reasons. You know, there were 394 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: no snakes in Ireland to begin with, right, something like 395 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: that it was abolished in the eighties, but the Vaticans 396 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: still still floods around with the idea. And Christopher Hitchens, 397 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the famously militant atheist, testified as her devil's advocate. Wait 398 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: a minute, what why how did he get involved in 399 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the proceedings if he's not even the believer. I think 400 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: he just likes to likes to stir up that pots, 401 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: that bear, he likes to he likes to bag that badger. 402 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: I guess he uh he said he represented the devil 403 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: pro bono. A little bit. More on Mother Theresa. Yeah, 404 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: she was canonized on September four, sixteen, and she still 405 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: had some controversy throughout throughout her life and afterwards because 406 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: certain people would would study her clinics and say, hey, 407 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: they received millions of dollars in donations, but they don't 408 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: have medical care, good diagnoses, systems, necessary nutrition and so on, 409 00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: and three Canadian academics actually, uh say, said that she 410 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: was purposely allowing people to suffer. Specifically, they said Mother 411 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross. 412 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: And then Christopher Hitchens was one of Mother Teresa's most 413 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: outspoken critics for for a long long, long, long time. 414 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: He he said she was not a friend to the poor, 415 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: that she saw poverty is is a necessary gift of 416 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: suffering from God. So he had stake in the game. Next, 417 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: we arrive at one of my favorite rappers, one of 418 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: my favorite recent rappers, I should say Nelly, No, the 419 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: the Marquis de Lafayette. Ah. Yes, of course, he's from 420 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: the Hamilton's Musical, played by David Diggs, who has a 421 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: great who has a great hip hop group. I want 422 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to say on the West Coast. Maybe they're called Clipping 423 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: without period of fun. They're great. He's also gonna be 424 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: blind Spotting, which is quite good. Yes, yes, I believe 425 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: he wrote that. I think he did. He he co 426 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: wrote it. He's on movie Crush with Chuck, him and 427 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: his co writer for that movie. We're on movie Crush 428 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: talking about I can't remember what their favorite movie was, 429 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: but you should check it out. Was it Police Academy? 430 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: For it had to have been. That should be everyone's 431 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: favorite movie, because otherwise I'm cold classic. Otherwise, you know, 432 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: Chuck and a great friends, but I'm not gonna listen 433 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: to it. That's fair. Um. Yeah, So there's an article 434 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: on mental mental flaws that goes through eight of these 435 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: honorary citizens, and they make the point that I think 436 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: is completely valid that the United States would not exist 437 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: had it not been for the Marquis de Laffi. Yet. Yeah, 438 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I haven't seen them. I'm not gonna do no spoilers. 439 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the musical. I don't know really any 440 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: of the music. Just listen to the soundtrack. I should. Yeah, Yeah, 441 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty it's solid. Uh, 442 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: I would, I would say, you know, if you're like 443 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: fold and laundry or something, it's good. Or you're on 444 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: a long walk, maybe a plane. I don't know, got it, Well, 445 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: I do a flight to me, maybe I'll check it out. 446 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, he was the French general who was in 447 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: charge of divisions in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. Yeah. Yeah, 448 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of the story you might hear in 449 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Hamilton's is true. This guy came in supporting the ideas 450 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: of liberty, equality and so on, and he really didn't 451 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: have to have a stake in this game. But he 452 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: is primarily the reason that France came to aid the 453 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: US colonies against Great Britain, and then later when he 454 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: went back to France. He introduced the Declaration of the 455 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Rights of Man and of the Citizen before the National 456 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: Constituent Assembly, and he co wrote this with Thomas Jefferson. 457 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: You may remember from previous episodes, because no one's heard 458 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: of Thomas Jefferson until they listen to Ridiculous History, right. 459 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: I certainly hadn't been. I certainly hadn't. You know. What's 460 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: weird is the way the way statistics work. There's probably 461 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: someone named Thomas Jefferson right now, and they're probably mad 462 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: that their parents named them Thomas. I agree. Yeah, it's 463 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: definitely like sort of that names sort of been ruined. 464 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, one could argue that name has been 465 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: lifted up and elevate it. It's taken. It's totally taken. 466 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: It's taken. It's like it's like Michael Bolton right right right, 467 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: or or you know, there are two Nick caves I 468 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: remember that always. That always astounded me. Well, they're the 469 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: artist Nick cave but the people typically think of Nick 470 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: Cave in the bad seats. Yeah yeah, yeah, but the 471 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: artist Nick cave Is is equally awesome in his own right. 472 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: It makes sound suits and you know he actually did 473 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: a performance here at the building where we did very 474 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: very cool. Paul, did you work on that documentary? Paul's 475 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: given us the NOD Mission Control worked on it, so 476 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: it's got his stamp of approval. But uh, names aside. 477 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: You're right, there is a tremendous argument to be made 478 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: that this country would not exist without the efforts of 479 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: la Fayette. And I would say he really earned this 480 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: honorary citizenship. When he died, the U. S. House and 481 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: Senate draped the chambers in black. They knew we owed 482 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: this guy. But when did he When did he become 483 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: an honorary citizen? It was after his death, right two 484 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: thousand and two, quite a bit after his death during 485 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: a joint resolution. Yes, he was given that citizenship, but 486 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: that was the federal citizenship because he was given uh 487 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: citizenship via Maryland before then, right while he was still alive. Oh, 488 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about the top of the show, 489 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: this who little the mini citizenship. Yeah, that seems like 490 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: a stretch, doesn't it. I mean, I would you think 491 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: of it this way if one province of Canada gave 492 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: you citizenship and you know, you could travel there or something, 493 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: but you were still a foreign entity in any of 494 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: the other provinces. That's weird, you know what I mean? Well, like, 495 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: what if Utah gave you honorary citizenship, Now you gotta 496 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: get into and out of Utah. Seriously, I think we're 497 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: gonna air drop you in there. I guess that this didn't. Yeah, well, anyway, 498 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: it's it's obviously a symbolic act on on all fronts here. 499 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: But that's an interesting one to me. Uh so, what 500 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: do we have next? We have Kazimir Pulaski. So, Kazimir 501 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: Pulaski also set sail for North America to help the 502 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: American side in the War for Independence, right, he wanted 503 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: to fight for the continental cause. He did a bunch 504 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: of stuff. Famously, during the Battle of Brandywine, he led 505 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: a cavalry charge that saved the life of George Washington. 506 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: It was promoted to a general who organized mounted soldiers. 507 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: He even wrote the book on cavalry tactics. Literally, he 508 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: wrote a book about it. That's like mounted attacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 509 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: It's all about formation, formation, strategy, flanking. No one when 510 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: to hold him, when to fold him, when to charge them, 511 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: when to scold him, when to scold him, And say Hey, buddy, 512 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: you're not riding that horse very well. You're doing a 513 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: bad job. And when to mold them, get with It's 514 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: all about molding them. It's all about excellent cavalrymen. Yes, yes, 515 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: uh yeah. He's one of the fathers of American cavalry, 516 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: and for a century or so his death has been 517 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: a holiday or a day of remembrance. Pulaski Day. Yeah, 518 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: is that a thing? I guess so it's you and 519 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: I must be a horrible patriots, Paul. Have you ever 520 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: heard of Pulaski Day? Casimir Pulaski. Paul is saying that 521 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: it's a Sufian Stephens song and I, to which I replied, uh, 522 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: it is probably bigger in Michigan. Okay, let's let's actually incorrect. 523 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: It's it's in big in Chicago, which was the second 524 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: Sufian Stephens state based album, We go Feel the Illinois, 525 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: Come on and Feel the ill And I hope he 526 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: gets the other ones. I hope he does it one day. 527 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: I keep thinking about that. That bugs me. I stay 528 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: up at night thinking about you and your albums. Suf 529 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: I call him suf uh So Pulaski Day, which we 530 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: have to celebrate in October eleventh. Let's let's get up 531 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: to Chicago. He's one Illinois's favorite son. Lard. We'll celebrate 532 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: Pulaski Day. We'll get a get a Chicago dog, will 533 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: go see a Cubs game in Wrigleyville. Dropped by Second City. 534 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: See what they have going on Polaski wise, since that's 535 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: a big celebration. Uh yeah, yeah, so it is a holiday. 536 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: Uh and he said he sounded like a superhero coming in. 537 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: So he's a Polish military officer. When he arrives in America, 538 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: he looked at Washington and he says, I came here 539 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: where freedom is being defended, to serve it and to 540 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: live or die for it. Hard as nails, really tough, 541 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: tough guy, tough sounding dude, like the cut of his jim. 542 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: And so we come to the last, but not least, 543 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: honorary citizen of the US bestowed inten to Bernardo de Galvaz. 544 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy seven, Colonel Bernardo of Galvez was made 545 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: the interim governor of Louisiana, and at the time Louisiana 546 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: was under Spanish control. Galvez hated the British, so he 547 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: helped smuggle supplies to the Continental forces through the ports 548 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: city of New Orleans. He also orchestrated a campaign against 549 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: the Red Coats, defeating them in several battles, including Bottom Rouge, 550 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: and he became general like you do. Yeah, So that's 551 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: when he won some pretty significant battles in the Battle 552 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: of Fort Charlotte. UM, and he took mobile away from 553 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: the British after all these years, low these many years, 554 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: and that's when Washington UM really praised Galvez as being 555 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: a deciding factor in the outcome of the Revolutionary War. UM. 556 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: And then in when this resolution was drafted that made 557 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Galvez an honorary citizen UM. That was quoted and put 558 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: in the in the paperwork, the documentation. He's also, you know, 559 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: this is the most contemporary honorary citizenship that we've got 560 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: on the books. Who knows. Who knows what's next? Ben 561 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: who knows who will come next? Maybe maybe someone listening today, 562 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: it could be you. It could be you want to 563 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: be a citizen for the United States who don't want 564 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: to do the work. Just become a key military lynch 565 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: pen in some really important conflict that changes everything, or 566 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: or you know, do something people will appreciate. Two hundred 567 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: years after that. Interesting facts about Galvez. Uh, he is, 568 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: although he's little known today, he is the namesake of Galveston, Texas, 569 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: which I I didn't know. I thought that sounded familiar, right, Uh, 570 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: he's It's weird because he played such an instrumental role 571 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: but is relatively little known, but didn't play any instruments, 572 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: the accordion. Perhaps, I don't know. Accordion is a lot 573 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: to haul with you. Uh maybe he Yeah, because he 574 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: wasn't the father of Calvary. He's no Pulaski Polaski, being 575 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: both from Poland and riding on horses all the time. 576 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: Surely he's my accordion pick I like it. I don't 577 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: want to pigeonholer stereotype. I just think he's more likely 578 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: to have an accordion, and I think about that a 579 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: lot when we're doing this show. I think much of 580 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: these historical figures is most likely to have an accordion 581 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: and to have accordion chops. So how did he die? 582 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert? He's dead. Yeah, he definitely died. Um and 583 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: his remains are lost to history. Yep, we're we're doing 584 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: our own sound effects now. But while his bodily remains 585 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: may be lost to history, his legacy is not. The 586 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: bar is very high when it comes to honorary citizenship. 587 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: And while many of these people on this list are 588 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: controversial for one action or another, uh, the truth remains 589 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: that they did fundamentally huge things for the US and 590 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: in the case of Mother Teresa, for people who are 591 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: suffering in other parts of the world. That's right. So 592 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: our hats off, our collective hats off to all these 593 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: folks because they really did make a big impact, enough 594 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: so that we were able to grant them citizenship. In 595 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: these days, the citizenship is becoming more and more of 596 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: a divisive thing. Um, So it's sort of like almost 597 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: the highest honor that you can you know, it's it's 598 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: not easy to get citizenship, and it's becau even more 599 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: difficult to get citizenship and to become a naturalized citizen. 600 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: So hats off to all of these players, players, players, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 601 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: And we want to hear your deep cuts, folks. Who 602 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: do you think is deserving of honorary citizenship to day? 603 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: And more importantly, who do you think you are? Let 604 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: us know. You can write to us at Ridiculous at 605 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: I Heart radio dot com. Yeah, you know, that's a 606 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: little confrontational. Hey man, you know, are you punchy? Are 607 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: you punching? I'm not punchy. I'm just punching. Okay, I'm punching, 608 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: punching above my weight class and below the belt at 609 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: the same time. You can. You can find us on Instagram. 610 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter. You can find our 611 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: favorite part of the show, your fellow listeners on our 612 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: Facebook page or Ridiculous Historians uh, and you can follow 613 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: our own strange adventures. I am at Ben Bowling on Instagram. 614 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: I am at how Now Noel Brown on Instagram as well. Big, big, 615 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: big thanks to Alex Williams, who composed the track and 616 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: recently appeared on an episode of Ridiculous History with us. 617 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: Do tune into that if you haven't checked it out. Uh, Paul, 618 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: Mission Control decade. I'm making eye contact with you outside 619 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: the studio to thank you so much. Dude. Casey is 620 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: pursuing his double life. He is as La Bouche, as 621 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: La Bush and yes yes uh where he wears a 622 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: leather jacket and as a single ear ring, single dangly 623 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: cross earring. And we think he has two secret families 624 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: that don't know about each other and lots of other 625 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: secret stuff. Did we mention this on air? Yeah, totally okay, 626 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: I think we mentioned it at the top of the 627 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: show during the emeral episode. Great well, Hats off to you, 628 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: La Bush, you are missed. Uh and thanks I as 629 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: always to Gabe, our research associate. Thanks to you Ben. 630 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: Thanks to you Pal, you really make it easy. We'll 631 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: see you next time. 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