1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We have 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: got a lot to dive into with you across the landscape. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: we roll into this show. Okay, coming up at the 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: bottom half of this hour, Andy McCarthy, who I think 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: is as good at analyzing legal related issues as anyone 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: in the entire country. We will discuss the latest on 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. With him, we will discuss the latest on 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and more so you'll want to make sure 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: that you. 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: Don't miss that. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: But we begin right off the top here with new 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: charges brought against Donald Trump, and I don't know, I 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: we didn't talk about this because the news broke yesterday 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: after we got off the air, Buck, but it comes 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: on the same day that they drop all campaign finance 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: charges against Sam Bankman Freed, who was I believe the 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: number two donor to the Democrat Party in twenty twenty two, 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars that he funneled to the Democrats. 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: Those charges dropped new charges filed in the South Florida 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: case against Donald Trump, and I'm reading from Axios this morning. 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: According to the indictment, they have added a new defendant, 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: the property manager there, and that he walked with an 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: unidentified Trump employee to quote an audio closet where this 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: gentleman asked how many days of footage remained on the server. 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: Prosecutors alleged that this individual told a Trump employee who 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: is not named I don't believe, which makes me think 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: that they are going to use that Trump employee to 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: testify that the boss wanted the server delete it and 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: asked what are we going to do? And then this 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: individual lied when he said he never saw anything with 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: regard to boxes at Mar Lagos. 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: So that is the latest charge. Buck. 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I imagine that I am 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: in a place where the vast majority of our listeners 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: are where barring you telling me that Donald Trump shot 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: seven or eight people and buried their bodies at Mar Alago. 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: I don't really know, to be frank, what charges could 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: come out associated with this document's attempt to put him 43 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: in prison for the rest of his life. 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: Where I would say. 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: Hey, you know what the Biden administration is just imparting 46 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: justice here. This is something that demands a serious legal 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: investigation and charges. This is to me just more of 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,559 Speaker 2: the same process related investigation. 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: So it increases that jeopardy legally speaking. 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: By one, I think taking these individuals who worked for him. 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: There's now two kind of like maintenance grounds keeper assistant 52 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: people at Marlago, right, there are two different ones. They've 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: added one into this now, and the whole point of 54 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: that is to get them to flip. And it's to 55 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: get them to flip in the context of Donald Trump 56 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: told me to do X or do y, and the 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: prosecutor is going to say, the Special Council is going 58 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: to say, or a prosecutor if this when this goes 59 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: to court, well, that's obstruction. 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: And we got them like now, we got an. 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: Eyewitness, we got the person involved in it, and so 62 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: on the process crimes front. That's how they're kind of 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: stacking the deck. And this is a superseding indictment. This 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: does happen. That alone is not unusual. Andy will give 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: us more, you know, he tell us probably superseding indictments 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: also called you know, a Tuesday, but in this instance 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: it's obviously massive because of the stakes and also the 68 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: timing of this with all the Hunter Biden stuff this week, 69 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: which we're not we're not unaware of the fact that 70 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: this has been a really gross week for the Department 71 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: of Justice because of the cover up for the Bidens, 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: the Biden crime family, and so to just throw a 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: few additional charges on this convenient timing, right, I think 74 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 3: we could say it's convenient timing. So on the process 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 3: crime part though, circling back to that, the process crime 76 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: part of it, it's now his co conspirators in the 77 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: moving of the boxes, whatever they may, they're gonna try 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: to flip them. Obviously, these guys are going to be 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: facing years in federal prison. They also probably have no 80 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: means for an attorney. I wonder if Trump is going 81 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: to I don't know if Trump is paying for their 82 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: attorneys or if that's even I don't know how they're 83 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: going to be able to deal with the federal criminal trial. 84 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: The other part of this, though, that they get into, 85 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: and this is more in the political elevation, is its 86 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: willful retention of national defense information. Now that's different than 87 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: the other charges, which would be mishandling. Right, So I 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: had a TS top secret clearance. Mishandling is, Oh my gosh, 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: I left I brought something home I didn't know and 90 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: I left it at home. And then it got you know, 91 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: the Biden thing with the corvette. You could say, they'll 92 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: claim at least that that's mishandling. Willful retention is. I 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: knew this was top secret, and I thought it was 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: really interesting, and I wanted to keep it. I thought 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: maybe be valuable for me to have for some reason later, 96 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: so I kept it knowing what it was. Right, they're 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: saying on the Iranian battle plans document, which. 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: They supposedly have audio of Trump talking about, which we 99 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: have heard at CNN played and it leaked already, and 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: now they have the actual document apparently as well, and 101 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: it is their claiming. And again we're going on their claims, folks, 102 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: this is the prosecution. There has been no defense. There 103 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: has been no testing of you know, witnesses and evidence 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: and everything else. 105 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: But this is the allegation. 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: They're alleging that that Trump showed this to people, that 107 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: he knew that it was highly sensitive national defense information, 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: that it was not declassified, that he was not in 109 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: a position as a former president to declassify it on 110 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: the spot, and effectively they're going to say this is 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: a guy who waves around national defense, true national defense 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: information about attacking a foreign country for amusement of journalists. 113 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: That's what they're that's now the additional layer on that. 114 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to see 115 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 3: this and they're going to say, what about the nuclear stuff. 116 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: Remember when they're telling us about the nuclear secrets. Clay 117 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: he just had like the nuclear secrets in the in 118 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: the shower and everything, you know, Okay, I mean we 119 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: stopped hearing about that, which I think is interesting, And 120 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: at that time I was like, give me a break. Really, 121 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: Trump's got like the uh, you know, the the the 122 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: secrets of our nuclear arsenal in our you know, kept Marlago. 123 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: So I think people will discount some of it, but 124 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: I'm saying those are the two ways they're trying to 125 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: escalate the process crime aspect and escalate the severity of 126 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: the defense information with this superseding indictment. 127 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: So I think most people are in the camp that 128 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: I would be in, where we've basically made up our decision, 129 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: made up our mind on this, and in particular on 130 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: the South Florida. So they decided, and we told you 131 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: this when the initial indictment came out. The Biden administration 132 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: decided that they wanted to try to put Trump in 133 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life over a dispute 134 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: over whether or not he could keep these papers. You 135 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: can argue, and we did when this indictment came out, 136 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: that Trump did not protect himself as aggressively as he 137 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: should have, that he behaved in a reckless fashion. I 138 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: really do believe this in allowing himself to be charged here, 139 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: and there is no real payoff, right. That's the part 140 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: of this buck that I think is pretty significant is 141 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 2: there's never been alleged a motive that Trump was keeping 142 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: these papers in order to try to further some sort 143 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: of action. I think Trump believed legitimately these were his papers, 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: he had the right to keep them. I think also 145 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: once this got ratcheted up, and I do think it 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: was reckless of the Merrick Garland Department of Justice to 147 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: conduct an FBI raid to grab these papers, I think 148 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: this could have been a non story, right. I think 149 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: if they had worked with Trump, they could have come in, 150 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: they could have taken these back. Nobody even really needed 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: to ever know about this. So I have said from 152 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: the get go, I would love Buck. I would love 153 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: to sit on this jury because I would one billion 154 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: percent refuse to find Donald Trump guilty on these charges 155 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: in South Florida, based on reading the indictment, based on 156 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: significance of the precedent that is being set here, I 157 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: would one hundred percent nullify this if I were on 158 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: the jury. I bet there are people listening to us 159 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: in South Florida who are nodding along, who are part 160 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: of the jury pool. I don't think there's any way 161 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: they're going to get a conviction here. I think it's 162 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: probably gonna end in a hung jury. But for the 163 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: fact that they would be modifying this Buck in the 164 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 2: same day that they dropped charges against Sam Bankman freed 165 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: for campaign finance violations. In the same week that they 166 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: try to get through one of the all time sweetheart deals, 167 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: they wanted it rubber stamped by the federal judge Mary 168 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: Ellen Noryeika in in Delaware, it is I don't know 169 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: if we've ever seen a more perfectly distilled and crystallized 170 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: version of two tiers of justice in America than what's 171 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: happening to Hunter Biden and what's happening to Trump. 172 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: The Hunter Biden deal was initial Epstein federal charge or 173 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: federal plea deal level, you know, going. 174 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Easy on the person. 175 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 3: And just to give everyone a reminder, in twenty nineteen, 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: Trump's Labor Secretary, Acosta resigned over pressure because he was 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: the US attorney at the time that oversaw that deal. 178 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: So just there are limits to how much you can 179 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: get away with giving someone a plea deal for you know, 180 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: either political or perhaps even more nefarious purposes. And I 181 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: think that we saw that with Hunter Biden. I mean, 182 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: that was a really that was an indefensible moment for 183 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: the Democrats. Honestly, Yeah, there's anyone who can put two 184 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: and two together, looks at that and goes, oh, not 185 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: only is the fix in, but they thought that he's 186 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: just immune. 187 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 188 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: And it also undermines the first completely undermines really should 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: just nullify, should you know, evaporate the first Trump impeachment, 190 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: I mean, which is which is completely insane. I know 191 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: they thinking about it in the Congress. It's symbolic and political. 192 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't really do anything. But I think if they 193 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: can do it, maybe they should do it. It wouldn't 194 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: be that hard for them most. 195 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what. It's never been done before, right, 196 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: so I don't even know what this procedure would be. 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 5: Uh. 198 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: But Clay on the on the additional the superseding and dietment, 199 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: the additional charges. And we're going to talk to any 200 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: McCarthy about this in just a few minutes. They really 201 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: are This is Gulliver and the Lilliputians at this point. 202 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: I mean, they're just they're trying to just tie Trump 203 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: down with every little rope they can legally to the 204 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: point where it actually is. Looking now, it's devious but 205 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: also somewhat pathological. Yeah, they really just don't care about 206 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: how crazy this is. Whatever they have to do, whatever 207 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: they can say, they will say. The precedent is so indefensible. 208 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Book. 209 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: That's what I keep coming back to, and that's why 210 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: I said, if I were sitting on the jury, I 211 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: would nullify this. I would refuse to say guilty, just 212 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: based on the precedent of we shouldn't be trying to 213 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: put political opponents in jail for process based crimes. And 214 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: we talked to McCarthy coming up here in a little bit. Well, 215 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I've got a theory on on 216 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden case. I haven't said this yet when 217 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: we come back and just let's do that theory. 218 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: And i'd also put out there, Clay, you know, I 219 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: think that people are Yesterday, there were some reports that 220 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: Trump's legal team was arguing with the special counsel, or 221 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: arguing in front of the special counsel. I should say, 222 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: is this really the best interests of the country, guys? 223 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: And let's understand, I mean, the justice system is ultimately 224 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: supposed to serve the best interests of the United States 225 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: and its people. The justice system does not operate apart 226 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: from the best interests of the American people. It is 227 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: supposed to be serving them, yes, through dispensing justice, but 228 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: also taking a broader view. This is why we have 229 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: things like pardon power. This is why there are accommodations 230 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: that are made for you know, within the system. And 231 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: I would just say that's the question that a lot 232 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: of people now. 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That's 265 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: preborn dot com slash Buck sponsored by Preborn. 266 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Making Sense in an Insane world. 267 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back, team Clay and Buck. 268 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: Here, and we've got a reporter asking a pretty interesting 269 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: question of the Biden situation here of Karreeine Jean Pierre, 270 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: and they're asking, is there a chance that Joe Biden's 271 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: gonna end up having to pardon his son while he's president? 272 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: Play? 273 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: Is there any possibility that the president would end up 274 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: pardoning his son? 275 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? I just said no. 276 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: I just answered no, she says, Clay. 277 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: Now, you have a theory you want to share with 278 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: everybody about this case, which it is still not yet 279 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: determined what the dispensation of the plea agreement situation will be. 280 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: You have an overarching. 281 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Theory that floor is yours. 282 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I do, first of all, save that answer because I 283 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: dispute very much that there's no chance of that happening. 284 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: So here's my theory bucket. We'll ask Andy McCarthy about 285 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: this whether he buys it. I think what happened with 286 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: Judge Noriyeika and Hunter Biden plea agreement earlier this week. 287 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: I think the prosecution agreed that they were not going 288 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: to charge Hunter Biden with anything else, but they didn't 289 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: want to put it in writing. And I think Judge Noriyeika, 290 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: when she was questioning both parties, actually did a really 291 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: good job of forcing the prosecution to potentially admit an 292 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: open court. What they were doing was providing that get 293 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: out of jail free card going forward. And I think 294 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: what really blew up there was the prosecution wasn't willing 295 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: to say publicly what they had said privately to the 296 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: Biden team. 297 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: I think that's because I'm talking about the deal was 298 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: going through everybody. The judge did not show up to 299 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: crush this deal. Judges rarely, you know, this is not 300 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: we Look, we had we had former federal prosecutor, former 301 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: US Attorney Christy On what did he say, this was 302 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: a total clust never happened, total never happens. Okay, so 303 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: this was not so everyone could be we'll asking any 304 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: about this in a moment, but this was not the plan. 305 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: This was a car wreck that unfolded in that courtroom. 306 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: And you have to add ask why why did it 307 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: go down that way? And this is why. The thing 308 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: I didn't expect Clay and all this because was the 309 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: two misdemeanors, the gun charge where they have been able 310 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: to get away with. 311 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was gonna happen. 312 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: But the oh, also, you're just never going to get 313 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: prosecuted for this other thing you haven't even been indicted for. 314 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: That is like, that's like the kind of deal that 315 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: Udae and Kuse would have gotten in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. 316 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: Like that's outrageous. 317 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: And I give credit to Judge Noriyeika for putting her 318 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: finger on this and recognizing it and also then blasting 319 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: it out into public. But I think we'll ask Andy 320 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: McCarthy if he buys into this. I think that the 321 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: prosecutors made a private agreement that they were not willing 322 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: to say publicly because of how bad it would make 323 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: them look. And that's what really blew up this plea agreement. 324 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: But we're going to talk to Andy McCarthy next. 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Frankly, I mean I went to 350 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: law school and a lot of this stuff is like 351 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: crazy legal hypotheticals For people out there who don't go 352 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: to law school, I mean, Andy, it's when you do 353 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: a law school exam, they try to come up with 354 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy legal hypotheticals for you to analyze. 355 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: And if you were in con law, it's like all 356 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: of the crazy legal hypotheticals that you might have to 357 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: analyze are actually now playing out in real time and 358 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of precedent for anything that's going on. 359 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: And so I want to start with this. By the way, 360 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: condolences to your mets. I'm headed down to watch the 361 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: Braves play this weekend. I thought it was going to 362 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: be a race in the division. You guys just have 363 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: fallen flat on your face. 364 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, So why don't we trade the best play once it? 365 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 366 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: Or six games. 367 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: You know, you just can't even make it up. 368 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: All right, start here, I just told Buck, and we'll 369 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: get into the latest charges and everything else. But I 370 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: want to start with the Hunter Biden thing because I 371 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: thought that that was crazy. 372 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: So I've got a theory for you. 373 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: I want to hear what you think about this theory, 374 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: and then I want you to kind of contextualize for 375 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: our audience how unprecedented what we saw in that plea agreement. 376 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: Hearing it really was. 377 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: So here's my theory, Andy, I think the prosecution made 378 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: a private deal as a part of this larger plea agreement. 379 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: They said, hey, we're not going to bring any additional 380 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 2: charges against Hunter. You have my word, this is a 381 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: done deal. And then Judge Noriyeika recognized that this thing 382 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: is very strangely designed, and when she was requiring the 383 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: prosecutors to say in public court, hey, this is all done. 384 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: There's no more charges being brought, they weren't willing to 385 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: do that, and that then angered So it's public versus 386 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: private discussions that then angered the Hunter Biden team. Do 387 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: you buy into that theory and then kind of contextualize 388 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: for us how crazy what we saw earlier in this week, 389 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: in this hearing, really was based on your experience. 390 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 5: By ninety percent by your theory. The only quibbal I 391 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 5: have with it is that it's what happens is actually 392 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 5: more audacious than what you described, because the agreement, the 393 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 5: not in a wink agreement that we're talking about, was 394 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: not private. It was actually tucked away in the diversion agreement. 395 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 5: So they did write it. It's just that in a 396 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 5: normal plea agreement you would put the immunity term plea 397 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 5: agreement here. What they did was they didn't community term 398 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 5: in the tax flea agreement. They had this other document, 399 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 5: the diversion agreement, which they were telling everybody who was, oh, 400 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: that's just you know, the arrangement we've made to make. 401 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: His gun case go away. 402 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 5: But paragraph fifteen of the diversion agreement, which the court 403 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 5: does not have to sign off on, by the way, 404 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 5: states exactly what you just described play, which is that 405 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 5: you know, basically they are never going to prosecute him 406 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 5: for anything ever again. 407 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: And they were embarrassed to say that publicly. They were 408 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: trying to slide it by. That's the part you agree with, 409 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: and that's what the judge pointed to and it blew up. 410 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 5: Yes, I think politically they could not admit that that 411 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 5: was true. 412 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: But any have you, Andy, have you ever in all 413 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: your you have you did over twenty what was it 414 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: twenty three years in the Southern District of New York? 415 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: Were you ever aware of seeing or a part of 416 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: any kind of a federal criminal plea negotiation or you know, 417 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: plea situation like what just unfolded in Delaware. 418 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 5: Not only is the answer to that notebook, but. 419 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 4: I was never involved. 420 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 5: In something that was a sham. So that kind of 421 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 5: tells you everything you need to know. First of all, 422 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: I mean, just like common sense, which is not lawyer stuff, 423 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: but just common sense stuff. If you really had a 424 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 5: continuing investigation, and this goes to Clay's point where they 425 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 5: had to pretend that they had a continuing investigation when 426 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 5: the judge started to ask not exactly the most exacting 427 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 5: questions of all time. I mean, this thing fell apart 428 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 5: like a cheap tent. But if you really did have 429 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 5: a continuing investigation, and they said they did, and that 430 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 5: Hunter could be charged, then why on earth would you 431 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 5: ever give one of the main subjects of the investigation 432 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 5: a plea deal to two. 433 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: Misdemeanors in the middle of your. 434 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: Ongoing investigation, a plea deal where you promise him that 435 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 5: you'll recommend the sentence of probation when you're supposedly conducting 436 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 5: a serious investigation that's ongoing into a big, multimillion. 437 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: Dollar bribery conspiracy. Nobody would ever do that. 438 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 5: And secondly, the way they orchestrated this, one of the 439 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 5: things we are to be looking more closely at is 440 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 5: the statement of facts that they incorporated by reference into booth, 441 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: the plea agreement and the diversion agreement. Because let's take 442 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 5: a step back and say, what's the Biden corruption investigation about. 443 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: Right, they have a bribery. 444 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 5: Conspiracy that's supposedly under investigation, where foreign elements are paying 445 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 5: million dollars into the Biden coffers, and what they're doing 446 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 5: is trying to hide where the money is coming from. 447 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 5: One way they do that is by this maze of 448 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 5: LLCs and accounts and banking channels that they hide the 449 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 5: money in. 450 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: But another important. 451 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 5: Way they do it is that Hunter doesn't pay his taxes, 452 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 5: which if he paid them honestly, would be a big 453 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 5: problem for a scheme like that. That's your theory of 454 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 5: the continuing investigation. Now, what is the statement of facts 455 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: that they filed say, it says that Hunter got all 456 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 5: this money because these are really desticated lawyer who has 457 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 5: high end international and domestic clients, and he didn't pay 458 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 5: his taxes, not because he was trying to hide the money. 459 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: But because he was drug addled. Yeah, it's one thing for. 460 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 5: Hunter to have that version of events. The Justice Department 461 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 5: signed on to that as a stipulation in connection with 462 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 5: these agreements. 463 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, Andy is about trying to argue 464 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: that they were going to have difficulty proving that he 465 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: willfully choose not to pay his choose not to pay 466 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: his taxes. 467 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 4: Right. 468 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: I think that's the big leaf here that the Justice 469 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: Department is trying to argue, Oh, we have to take 470 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: this plea agreement, because they're trying to argue that this 471 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: is somehow a tough case because of the wilful standard, 472 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: despite all of the evidence that he did willfully choose 473 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: not to pay his taxes. 474 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 5: Exactly right, Because the way that you prove at is, 475 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 5: of course by bringing in all the bribery stuff which 476 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: shows the powerful motive not to disclose, which you would 477 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 5: have to do with respect to your taxes, and I 478 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 5: something clay on this point, like you go back to 479 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 5: your law school exampoint the statute of limitations. Here, I 480 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 5: keep hearing all this commentary saying, you know, it's too 481 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 5: bad that they've gone so long that they've now lost 482 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: to twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen tax of tax camps, 483 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: you know, the failure to pay tax where they didn't 484 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 5: charge them with evasion, which is the crime they should 485 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 5: a charge him with. But what they're not saying is 486 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 5: what are those twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen counts. We 487 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 5: now know that's the Parisma bribery scheme. So if you 488 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: indict those camps and you tell the story of how 489 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 5: that money came to be, you have to get into 490 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 5: the bribery. And of course they don't want to do that, 491 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 5: so they let those counts lapse. 492 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, as you laid us on any can baseball season, 493 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: Wait a few more minutes and come back, because we've 494 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: got a Trump superseding indictment to talk you back. Can 495 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 3: you give us a few more Oh yeah, all right, 496 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: because we got to dive into that folks, right, We're 497 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 3: going to go a special Council's Yeah, we got a lot. 498 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: We got a lot, right. 499 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna get into it one second, But first up, folks, 500 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: Andy mccarthy're gonna stay with us on the flip side. 501 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 3: Dutch Mendenhall, the co founder and CEO of Rad Diverse Fight, 502 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: has written and released a new book that takes on 503 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: a big topic, debt in America. The book is called 504 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: Money Shackles. What are these money shackles? 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Okay, Trump, the indictment. 525 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 3: When is it coming down? And what do you think 526 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: about this superseding indictment that just came out in last 527 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: twenty four hours. 528 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 5: I think he's in a Tuesday Thursday grand jury. I 529 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 5: think buck I really expected it yesterday so they could 530 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 5: step on the Hunter story, but I would imagine it's 531 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 5: going to come early next week. I'd like to think 532 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 5: that the Trump lawyers may have given them a lot 533 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 5: of pause yesterday because I think this indictment has a 534 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 5: lot of legal problems as compared to the mar A 535 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: Lago thing, and I think they superseded the Mara A 536 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 5: Lago thing because they may be worried that the obstruction 537 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: charges really rely heavily on the testimony from Trump's lawyer, 538 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 5: and if the judge in Florida doesn't agree with the 539 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 5: judge in Washington that Trump lost his attorney client privilege 540 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: in that connection. Then if they lose the lawyer's testimony, 541 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 5: they have a lot of problems proving the obstruction part 542 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 5: of the case. So I think this guy that they 543 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: indicted yesterday and this whole thing about the surveillance tapes 544 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: is probably meant to sure up the obstruction part of 545 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: the case. 546 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: Andy, what do you think about that you raised that? 547 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: I think it's an important legal issue here. Most of 548 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: the rulings that allowed the charges to be filed in 549 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: South Florida actually were made by a judge in Washington, 550 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: d C. And now a new judge, Eileen Cannon, down 551 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: in South Florida has to look at all those choices 552 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: that were made by the DC judge. 553 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Is that a common situation? 554 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: You would be far more familiar with this, But I 555 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: don't think that happens very often where you basically have 556 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: an entire grand jury proceeding that you set up in 557 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 2: DC and suddenly decide, wait, maybe we have a issue 558 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: with jurisdiction and basically take an already begun process and 559 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: then bring it down to South Florida. How do you 560 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: think those rules will be interpreted by Eileen Cannon? 561 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: And how commonplace is a decision like that I. 562 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: Doubt that she's going to feel like Cannon is going 563 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 5: to feel like she needs to defer to the District 564 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 5: of Columbia judges. 565 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: But I say, Clay, this. 566 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 5: Comes up in Special Council investigations in particular and always 567 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: with respect to Trump, because special councils decide to plant 568 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 5: their flag in Washington, and the reason they do that. 569 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 5: This isn't discussed very often, but Washington has a kind 570 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 5: of a funky local rule in federal court there that 571 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: all grand jury matters go to the chief judge, and 572 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 5: the chief judge in Washington for a number of years 573 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 5: was Beryl Holle, who made the rulings that we're talking about. 574 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 5: Beryl Holle was Pat Lady's main lawyer on the Judiciary 575 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 5: Committee all those years. She was a sharp elbowed partisan. 576 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 5: Obama put her on the DC District Court and then 577 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 5: she became the chief judge, and very much like if 578 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: you had an investigation into Trump, people they like having 579 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 5: the investigation in the District of Columbia, and she reliably 580 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 5: ruled in favor of the Special capitals and against Trump, 581 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 5: you know, for years. So I think that's one of 582 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 5: those things that you wish that there was more attention 583 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 5: to in some of the coverage. 584 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: What's it looking like, Andy in terms of the timing, 585 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: we've seen at least the South Florida trial is set 586 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: to happen before the election would would go down. How 587 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: does that affect whether you think this is in and 588 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: in January sixth? Special council charge would be scheduled in 589 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: here and and then if you could also just tell 590 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: us if he's going to be found guilty in both 591 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: of those, that'd be great. 592 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Thanks. 593 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well I don't see how this I really 594 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 5: I continue not to see how the mar A Lago 595 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 5: case gets to trial prior to the election, because it's 596 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 5: controlled by the Classified Information Procedures Act, where they have 597 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 5: to make all the rulings about admissibility of classified information 598 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 5: and before the trial and so that things can be 599 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 5: declassified and made public because we don't you know, we 600 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 5: don't clear we don't get security clearances for the jury. 601 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 5: What you do is you litigate before trials to make 602 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 5: sure that everything's coming into the case is declassified. If 603 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 5: they're going to now you know, it's I think it's 604 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 5: hard enough to get this to trial by May. If 605 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 5: you're now going to start superseding the indictment and adding 606 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 5: new defendants who have to get lawyers who are cleared 607 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 5: and a just are able to get all that discovery. 608 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 5: I think this has to set them back. I know 609 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 5: the judges trying to keep control of this, but I've 610 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 5: just been in a few of these litigations and they're 611 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 5: very They take. 612 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: A long time. 613 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: Andy, I want to circle back for a minute to 614 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden situation. And Buck and I were talking 615 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: about this off air. It's not only and I'm curious 616 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: how you would analyze this. It's not only that there 617 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: was a you know, basically secret, attempted goal to keep 618 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden from having to be prosecuted again going forward. 619 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: By saying, and I want you to break this down, 620 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: tell me if you agree with me. By saying there's 621 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation. That also protects the district attorney in 622 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: this case, Weiss as well as Merrick Garland and others 623 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: from having to actually testify under oath about the Hunter 624 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: Biden investigation because they can fall back on, well, that's 625 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation and we don't comment on ongoing investigations. 626 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: To me, that's also a big part of the attempted 627 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: cover up here? 628 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Do you see that? 629 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 5: Now? 630 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 4: I think you're not only right. 631 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 5: It's always made me curious about why Garland didn't just 632 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 5: appoint some hack Democrat lawyer to be a special counsel 633 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 5: on the Hunter case, because they would have you know, 634 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 5: of course they would then say the special council investigation 635 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 5: is ongoing and therefore we can't comment. And I think 636 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 5: the fact that he hasn't done that claim indicates that 637 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: they're really worried about somebody in detention. 638 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 4: I don't think they think that President Biden politically could. 639 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 5: Survive a regular, normal Justice Department investigation. 640 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: How do you think that plays out? 641 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 4: Andy? 642 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: What do you think comes next? 643 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: In the just absurd and kind of surreal doj effort 644 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 3: to make things go away for Hunter? Do you think 645 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: they they just get a new plea deal done? And 646 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: or what happens? 647 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 5: Well, and let me say this, fuck you know, somebody 648 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 5: asked me on the air the other day, so what happens. 649 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 4: Now that this fella Fork does he go to trial? 650 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: And my auntwer was go to trial on what? 651 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: Because you may notice they've never filed an indictment. We 652 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 5: have like lots of indictments lots of indictments against drump 653 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 5: This is an investigation that's gone on for five years 654 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 5: where they know what the charges are and they've never 655 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 5: filed an indictment, and they've never done that for the 656 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 5: same reason that they didn't describe the crimes that he 657 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 5: was getting immunity from in the plea agreement, which is politically. 658 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 5: First of all, you couldn't describe this politically without great 659 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 5: damage to the Biden Justice Department if you laid out 660 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 5: all the crimes that they actually have evidence find. And 661 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 5: the second thing is you would never be able to 662 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 5: get a plea agreement to two misdemeanor charges if you 663 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 5: laid out an indictment what all. 664 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 4: The charges are. 665 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 5: But most importantly, an indictment is the thing that stops 666 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 5: the clock. 667 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 4: Without an indictment, the. 668 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 5: Statute of limitations runs. So the reason there's no indictment 669 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 5: and the reason these guys are you know, I mean, 670 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: the judge just gave them thirty days, right, you got 671 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 5: to get back to me in thirty days. That sounds tough, 672 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 5: and I think the judge did a great job the 673 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 5: other day. But every day that goes by counsel disappearing 674 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 5: because they've never indicted the case. 675 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: This is wild. 676 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: It's infuriating. Last question for you, Andy, and you're fantastic. 677 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: We appreciate the time. 678 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 4: You know. 679 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: It's kind of a black hole in the there's a 680 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 2: special counsel that is also investigating Joe Biden. We haven't 681 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: heard a word. There's been no leaks quickly here. How 682 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 2: would you assess that? 683 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think all you need to know is that 684 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 5: he didn't get the authority. 685 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 4: Robert Hurd did necket authority. 686 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 5: To look at the Biden the Biden corruption scandal, whereas 687 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 5: the Trump special counsel and got authority to. 688 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 4: Look at everything. 689 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: Yep. 690 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 3: So the fix is in there too, very obviously. Any 691 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 3: definitely live in interesting legal times. The Constitution is shrieking 692 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 3: out an agony day in and day out. But anyway, Andy, 693 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: always great to be with you, or have you with 694 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 3: us rather. Annie McCarthy and National Review, thanks for being here. 695 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, have great weekend. 696 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: Clay. 697 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: It's even almost crazier than we had been saying, and 698 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: we have been saying it's completely insane. 699 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: So it's the world we live in. This got in 700 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 2: your car and hurt only a part of that. I 701 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: really would encourage you guys to all go back and 702 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: listen and share that with your friends. That's a super 703 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: detailed take on just how corrupt the bidens are.