Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off now, and we've got a lot
Speaker 1: to break down with all of you, our friends plural there.
Speaker 1: I to make sure that through Floral, our friends Julie
Speaker 1: Kelly and Ryan Grodowski be joining Julie in the second
Speaker 1: hour on the judicial coup that is still very much
Speaker 1: underway and a major challenge for the Trump agenda, but
Speaker 1: one I think that they are up to the task
Speaker 1: of tackling. And then Ryan Grodusky on some of the numbers,
Speaker 1: including Clay that discussion yesterday that we had. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of people reaching out to me off air,
Speaker 1: either about hearing us on the show talking about that
Speaker 1: or even just in my life who had seen those numbers.
Speaker 1: And we got to put some of these questions out
Speaker 1: there again, like college educated white women. Zelensky is the
Speaker 1: thing that they are the biggest outliers on how much
Speaker 1: they love Voladimir Zelenski. There's some crazy and DEI those
Speaker 1: go together. I think also, I saw today and it
Speaker 1: ties in with what we were talking about yesterday. I
Speaker 1: think because I said, if we overlaid the different groups,
Speaker 1: I think what you would find is that white college
Speaker 1: educated women are the least happy of all of those groups,
Speaker 1: whether it's non college educated white men and women or
Speaker 1: men who went to college. Did you see this today,
Speaker 1: Bucket's actually really kind of sad. The United States overall
Speaker 1: happiness index, to the extent that they track this hit
Speaker 1: a all time low, and it's being driven by people
Speaker 1: under the age of thirty. And I would bet that
Speaker 1: it's women under the age of thirty overwhelmingly who are unhappy.
Speaker 1: And I think it's hard not to believe at this
Speaker 1: point that all of this isn't directly connected to social media.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go look at the charts overall
Speaker 1: mental health rates. Now certainly COVID didn't help, but overall
Speaker 1: mental health rates just collapsed about twenty fourteen when social
Speaker 1: media became prevalent in everybody's lives. And I think we're
Speaker 1: going to find out that this is like the nicotine
Speaker 1: or cigarettes of our generation, where we allowed these phones
Speaker 1: and the social media apps, particularly for young people, to
Speaker 1: really kind of lead us astray in terms of our
Speaker 1: life's pursuits. So there's an early big picture idea that
Speaker 1: I think ties in with yesterday. So we've also got
Speaker 1: some updates on the border, Tom Holman pointing out that
Speaker 1: they are rocking on all cylinders here to enforce the law,
Speaker 1: comparing it to Biden. We'll give you those updates. Trump
Speaker 1: on the recession that people are predicting. It is not
Speaker 1: a recession. He is not worried at all, which is
Speaker 1: I'm sure not a surprise to any of you. The
Speaker 1: war against Tesla, which we discussed a bit yesterday, there's
Speaker 1: more on that. It is just insane and destructive and
Speaker 1: wrong on every level. And I know yesterday I share
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about getting a Tesla. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: convince carry the problem is we don't really use the
Speaker 1: car that we have that much, or we still have
Speaker 1: a lease on it. You have two parking spots or
Speaker 1: one is this also in spots one car? But we
Speaker 1: have a lot of guests to come over here, so
Speaker 1: we have friends that come visit, so it's nice to
Speaker 1: have a little guest spot. Anyway, thinking about getting a Tesla,
Speaker 1: and people still go, oh, Teslas for rich You can
Speaker 1: get a Tesla right now, I know I sound like
Speaker 1: a Tesla salesman for about what you can get a
Speaker 1: like reasonably equipped, you know, Toyota Corolla for a new
Speaker 1: Toyota Corolla, I mean it. You can get a Tesla
Speaker 1: for like three something a month, which is really low
Speaker 1: compared to you know, compared to what you can see
Speaker 1: across the car marketplace. Cars have been very expensive recently, anyway,
Speaker 1: we have that, and used cars prices have been It's
Speaker 1: not cheap to buy a car anywhere, to be frank. So,
Speaker 1: I know people have their problems with the evs and
Speaker 1: everything else. Okay, I get it, But the point is
Speaker 1: they're going after Elon and they're trying to hurt his company,
Speaker 1: and they're celebrating in its madness. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: something else for a second here, or something that has
Speaker 1: gotten both of our attention on this week, and that
Speaker 1: is the Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer as a leader, I
Speaker 1: guess of the Democrat Party. Still, you know, he's one
Speaker 1: of the gray hairs. He's been around for a long time,
Speaker 1: in the game a long time, and you're starting to
Speaker 1: hear a little bit of the resentful. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of the Obama era. You didn't build that because Trump
Speaker 1: has completely cornered the narrative on robust capitalism, winners building
Speaker 1: creating wealth for the country and you know, individual prosperity
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Democrats are the party.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And here is Chuck Schumer on the view complaining about
Speaker 1: Americans who want to keep more this is fourteen, keep
Speaker 1: more of their money.
Speaker 3: You know what their attitude is. I made my money
Speaker 3: all by myself. How dare your government take my money
Speaker 3: from me. I don't want to pay taxes, or I've
Speaker 3: built my company with my bare hands. How dare your
Speaker 3: government tell me how I should treat my customers, the
Speaker 3: land and water that I own, or my employees. They
Speaker 3: hate government. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to
Speaker 3: stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it.
Speaker 3: We are not letting them do it, and we're united.
Speaker 1: They're just the left wing authoritarian party, Clay, that's really
Speaker 1: what the Democrats have become. They want to tell you
Speaker 1: what to do with everything, and they control everything, even
Speaker 1: though they're imbeciles. I want Democrats to apt to answer
Speaker 1: the question. And I know we're not very far away
Speaker 1: from April fifteenth, which is not a very happy day
Speaker 1: for a lot of our listeners out there, But what
Speaker 1: is a fair share? I pay forty percent of my
Speaker 1: income to the federal government most years now forty percent boom.
Speaker 1: You know, I work until May and so I'm still
Speaker 1: working basically for the federal government. What would be a
Speaker 1: fair share. We have an insanely, insanely aggressive tax policy
Speaker 1: for people who actually pay taxes. First of all, and
Speaker 1: very few people talk about this. Income taxes are only
Speaker 1: paid by about fifty percent of the United States population. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, right, off the top over, I think
Speaker 1: it's fifty one percent of people don't pay a single
Speaker 1: dollar in federal income tax. Now, payroll taxes is different, right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about federal income taxes. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of you you live in New York, you're listening to
Speaker 1: us right now, you live in California, you live in Illinois,
Speaker 1: then you have to pay another twelve or thirteen percent
Speaker 1: state income tax. And then that doesn't even get into
Speaker 1: what your property taxes are going to be or what
Speaker 1: your sales taxes are going to be. I mean, the
Speaker 1: government is taxing us like crazy. And I gotta lived
Speaker 1: to New York stage. I haven't lived in New York
Speaker 1: in uh what going on three years now, two and
Speaker 1: a half years, and they still want me paying taxes
Speaker 1: there somehow it's crazy. Okay, the system we have is
Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. I got taxed because Fox Sports is based
Speaker 1: in LA and I would travel a lot to LA
Speaker 1: to do television shows and buck. I remember when they
Speaker 1: would take that money out of my paycheck by the day.
Speaker 1: It's by the work day. Same thing in New York City,
Speaker 1: same thing I think in Utah. Ifire remember correctly. When
Speaker 1: I've been to Salt Lake City in the past, I've
Speaker 1: had to pay like hundreds of dollars in income for
Speaker 1: the privilege of being in Salt Lake. It's a beautiful place.
Speaker 1: It is lovely. But I justly appreciate that Utah was
Speaker 1: was grabbing into my pocket there point. We appreciate everybody
Speaker 1: who listens in Salt Lake City, where I believe we're
Speaker 1: number one, and by yeah your number one, you're consistently
Speaker 1: for three plus years now, thank you, Saltlakes Great station.
Speaker 1: I will say, like, when you look at the at
Speaker 1: these arguments, isn't it interesting they never get pushed back.
Speaker 1: They say, you need you should pay your fair share.
Speaker 1: That's their line, what is the fair share? And I
Speaker 1: think a lot more people are looking around in the
Speaker 1: Doge era when we're recognizing how much money is wasted,
Speaker 1: and this conversation becomes even more paramount than it should be,
Speaker 1: which is it's important to all year round and all
Speaker 1: the time. But I think Elon has elevated it. There's
Speaker 1: also some big philosophical distinctions here that I think should
Speaker 1: be made clay. For example, as we have seen from
Speaker 1: the efforts of Elon and Doge, thank you Trump for
Speaker 1: putting them in the game to do this. Every dollar
Speaker 1: of government spending is somehow sacred to democrats. This is
Speaker 1: what we've seen. Have they actually said on anything that
Speaker 1: Doge has done, Look at what Doje has been finding,
Speaker 1: look at some of the ways that your money. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the transgender muppet shows in Mongolia and
Speaker 1: all this stuff that's going on. Every dollar the government
Speaker 1: spends is both sacred and it's not enough. There always
Speaker 1: should be you can never cut and there always should
Speaker 1: be more. Meanwhile, the American people who's hours, labor, creativity,
Speaker 1: and effort are what is actually the economy. This is
Speaker 1: something that democrats in the government don't really understand. It's
Speaker 1: not that the government creates the economy. The government if
Speaker 1: it's operating, you know, well, should create the guidely some
Speaker 1: of the guidelines, the rules of the road, and enforcement
Speaker 1: mechanisms for contracts within the economy. But it is all
Speaker 1: of you listening who show up somewhere and build a good,
Speaker 1: provide a service, do something that is worthwhile to society,
Speaker 1: and you get money for that. That is the actual economy,
Speaker 1: the productive economy, and anybody within that who feels like
Speaker 1: the government that every dollar is sacred and never never
Speaker 1: isn't enough spending. If we say that something needs to change,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah, this, this whole thinking needs to be
Speaker 1: flipped on its head because what are what are you
Speaker 1: really getting for your money? With so many of these things?
Speaker 1: What is really worthwhile? Remember we a state government too.
Speaker 1: The fact that Trump's about to shut the Department of Education,
Speaker 1: right that executive word is gonna come down and people go, oh, no, education,
Speaker 1: the Department of Education has nothing to do with educating
Speaker 1: your children.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: All that does is make it worse and create a
Speaker 1: holding pen for boring bureaucrats to get paid to do nothing.
Speaker 1: And we're wrong about everything. Covid I was reading Buck yesterday,
Speaker 1: to the credit of The New York Times, which has
Speaker 1: suddenly realized Hey, we screwed up everything with COVID. They
Speaker 1: had a story about Oakland area kids Buck. And I've
Speaker 1: met a bunch of these kids as I've been traveling
Speaker 1: around and started to speak on some college campuses. These
Speaker 1: kids in the in many parts of New York State
Speaker 1: and California and Illinois, but this particular kids in Oakland Buck,
Speaker 1: they shut down their schools on like March whatever it was,
Speaker 1: fifteenth of twenty twenty. They never came back to school.
Speaker 1: If you were a junior, I don't know that we
Speaker 1: talk enough about how many kids out there, and I
Speaker 1: know some of you are listening to us right now.
Speaker 1: I remember we had a caller from Utah, a young
Speaker 1: woman who was voting for the first time, eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: talking about how angry she and some of her classmates.
Speaker 1: We are us A great call, good memory, but I
Speaker 1: mean it hit me because can you imagine if you're
Speaker 1: out there listening to us right now, think about all
Speaker 1: the things that happened to you when you're sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 1: and eighteen years old, and how embedded in an integral fashion,
Speaker 1: so much of your life experience happens sixteen seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: You remember everybody out there to a largest You'll remember
Speaker 1: things when you're sixteen better than something that happened when
Speaker 1: you're thirty six, forty six, or fifty six, because all
Speaker 1: the years start to run together. It imprints on you
Speaker 1: in an interesting way. Those kids went home in many
Speaker 1: parts of our country in March of twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: they never came back. You miss your junior year prom
Speaker 1: you miss your junior year spring sports season, you never
Speaker 1: return and buck the article in the New York Times
Speaker 1: talking about these kids came back at the end of
Speaker 1: May for graduation, and they had to be six foot
Speaker 1: distant and they didn't even recognize each other. Because also
Speaker 1: think about how much you change in that year and
Speaker 1: a half. They just all went home and they never
Speaker 1: were in physical location together again. I just I get
Speaker 1: angrier the more I think about it, even though it's
Speaker 1: been five years, and so I think, for my you
Speaker 1: tell me that I have to cut checks. It's one
Speaker 1: thing if I think the government's doing a great job.
Speaker 1: It's another thing if I'm still furious about what they did,
Speaker 1: in particularly the Department of Education, to keep our kids
Speaker 1: from being able to be in school, and they now
Speaker 1: are at the point where I think they're on the
Speaker 1: edge of seeing the Department of Education get officially shut down.
Speaker 1: There have already been cuts made. I know a judge
Speaker 1: is going to reverse it if he hasn't or she
Speaker 1: hasn't already, and they'll also reverse the shutdown. And the
Speaker 1: whole plan here is essentially to have the judicial coup
Speaker 1: in effect for the really Trump's whole term if they
Speaker 1: can get away with, to stop him from doing what
Speaker 1: he should be able to do. But yeah, the Department
Speaker 1: of Education and employees around forty two hundred people until
Speaker 1: the most recent round of cuts. When you look at
Speaker 1: what does it do? What does the Department of Education
Speaker 1: actually do? Everything that it does is either superfluous political
Speaker 1: or could be done by the states much more effectively
Speaker 1: and much more within the federalist system that we have. Right,
Speaker 1: Why should if you live in if you live in Texas,
Speaker 1: why should some bureaucrats in DC be influencing the curriculum
Speaker 1: of your school in Texas? Oh, because they have to
Speaker 1: make sure well, they have to make sure the test
Speaker 1: scores don't actually budge and if anything, get worse over
Speaker 1: the last forty years. Because that's what's happened. It failure
Speaker 1: within government needs to be treated like much more like
Speaker 1: failure within the private sector, where you and I have
Speaker 1: been at places clay where it's a fire sale and
Speaker 1: everyone's getting fired and it stinks, and like you know,
Speaker 1: but that is what happens. And this notion that the
Speaker 1: government is and always will be not just existing as
Speaker 1: it is, but growing and getting more money, that is
Speaker 1: a change in the way that we are governed that
Speaker 1: absolutely needs to happen. And look, we were just talking
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Speaker 1: We have our friend Ryan Gerdusky joining us at the
Speaker 1: bottom to talk about some data and particularly diving into
Speaker 1: what we learned about college educated white college educated women
Speaker 1: Yesterday Day they iddalize Vladimir Zelenski, which is very strange
Speaker 1: for a lot of women who I think have probably
Speaker 1: very likely very few of them ever seen combat, know
Speaker 1: anything about war or the military, but they're all about Zelenski.
Speaker 1: So the propaganda there has clearly clearly been effective. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to it Ryan about that. Democrats are turning on Schumer,
Speaker 1: which is not a surprise because they're in the panic
Speaker 1: phase of things. You know, this is where in Lord
Speaker 1: of the Flies they all start sharpening sticks and just
Speaker 1: poking each other with them because they don't know what
Speaker 1: else to do and there's no real leadership. And remember
Speaker 1: that's it's a great book. You remember reading The Lord
Speaker 1: of the Flies in the in school back in the day.
Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies Buck is my argument. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: has one friend who reads like one book and tries
Speaker 1: to analogize everything that ever happened, you know, like not
Speaker 1: somebody who reads a lot of books. I had a
Speaker 1: buddy who read like one book in his whole life,
Speaker 1: and it was Lord of the Flies. And he would
Speaker 1: try he would try to analogize anything that happened to
Speaker 1: the one book that he had ever read, which was
Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies. Well, that's like a lot of
Speaker 1: people now with Harry Potter, no offense because I know
Speaker 1: you read a lot of other things too, and you're
Speaker 1: a Harry Potter guy. But everything is Voldemort, everything is
Speaker 1: the Quidditch, you know. The Harry Potter became so dominant.
Speaker 1: At least there are seven Harry Potters, although a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't even read them and they just watched
Speaker 1: the movies. I didn't either, So there we go. I
Speaker 1: probably should get on that. Now we have the Democrats
Speaker 1: turning in each other, turning on Schumer, and we've got
Speaker 1: all that happening. But I wanted to spend some time
Speaker 1: here on the war on Tesla and how it factors
Speaker 1: into as well the Democrat approach to the economy. So
Speaker 1: let's just let's look at what's going on here right now.
Speaker 1: The fact that you have these Democrats openly rooting against
Speaker 1: an all American car company, one that you know the
Speaker 1: cars are manufactured here. Maybe they've got the huge facility
Speaker 1: in Texas. I think eighty thousand people work for Tesla Clay,
Speaker 1: eighty thousand jobs. If you believe that climate change is
Speaker 1: any kind of threat, never mind existential, you should think
Speaker 1: that what Tesla's doing. Because remember, it's not just the cars,
Speaker 1: it's the technology. It's autonomous driving, it's the interface, it's
Speaker 1: the battery technology, it's you know, how far are we
Speaker 1: from starlink being able to control all the cars and
Speaker 1: maybe we get Vitol so vertical takeoff, you know, and
Speaker 1: landing for meeting the basically flying cars. I mean, things
Speaker 1: are going to get really interesting in our lifetime, folks.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool, right well, not if you're Tim Walls,
Speaker 1: who thinks he can beat you up, I might add,
Speaker 1: and I mean you not clay like you listening to
Speaker 1: the Tim Walls thinks he can take you in a fight.
Speaker 1: I think we have legions of great I think we
Speaker 1: have lesions of guys over seventy five that would smoked
Speaker 1: Tim Wall. Did you see our eighty six year old
Speaker 1: listener who emailed me about that is one of the funs.
Speaker 1: I need to read that email at some point, because
Speaker 1: that was a great email. I know the conservative talk
Speaker 1: radio audience and there are guys over seventy five that
Speaker 1: will whoop my ass, So I definitely know they would
Speaker 1: take Tim Wallas in a fight. But Caroline Levitt at
Speaker 1: the White House, speaking as the Press Secretary just goes
Speaker 1: after this. I mean, it's astonishing. It's outrageous that he
Speaker 1: is rooting for the failure of a company again because
Speaker 1: Elon wants to cut government waste. Play eight Governor Walt.
Speaker 6: Saying last night he frequently checks Tesla's stock and doing
Speaker 6: so to quote give me a little boost during the day.
Speaker 6: How should Americans view politicians who take pride in the
Speaker 6: downfall of an American car company. I think that's quite sad.
Speaker 5: But I think Governor Walls unfortunately is living a sad
Speaker 5: existence after his devastating defeat on November fifth.
Speaker 1: It is sad, and his defeat was devastating. It's sad, though,
Speaker 1: that somebody would be rooting Ford America. Think about what
Speaker 1: that means. It's not just Tesla, it is a I mean,
Speaker 1: you and I have never sat here been like you
Speaker 1: know what I want. I want Amazon to go bankrupt
Speaker 1: because it employs huge numbers of people. It's an enormously
Speaker 1: valuable company, and it has been incredibly effective. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has saved millions, maybe billions of man hours for people.
Speaker 1: And look, I know Jeff Bezos is more on our
Speaker 1: team now than he used to be. But he's still
Speaker 1: not really on our team. We're all very aware of this,
Speaker 1: but to root for a huge American company, it'd be
Speaker 1: like sitting her clay and just saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: want Ford in general Motors to just cease to exist
Speaker 1: and all their people to get fired because I don't
Speaker 1: like what this, I don't like who the CEO voted for.
Speaker 1: There's something deranged about this. I think two things that
Speaker 1: are important here. One, if you truly cared about climate change,
Speaker 1: then the idea that you would want Tesla to fail
Speaker 1: is the most heretical thing that you could possibly say,
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm not sure there's any company in America
Speaker 1: that has done more to fight climate change. And this
Speaker 1: is supposed to be, as we talked about yesterday, an
Speaker 1: existential threat to the entire world and to our nation.
Speaker 1: And yet you have Tim Walls out there saying that
Speaker 1: he's checking to see what the stock price is because
Speaker 1: he's rooting for Tesla to fail. That doesn't add up
Speaker 1: if you actually believe that climate change is the existential threat.
Speaker 1: And I think what it forces Democrats to do is
Speaker 1: decide what do we hate more, climate change or Trump?
Speaker 1: And the reality is they hate Trump. More than anything,
Speaker 1: and so the Elon connection to Trump means they root
Speaker 1: against it. Second, choosing whether or not to spend your
Speaker 1: money on products based on whether they share your values
Speaker 1: or not is I think a very rational choice to make.
Speaker 1: I would argue that Tesla actually shares the values of Democrats,
Speaker 1: But leaving that aside, what is not is when, for instance,
Speaker 1: we said, hey, bud Light's got a trans spokesperson maybe
Speaker 1: drinking other beer. We didn't say and throw Molotov cocktails
Speaker 1: at people driving around in Budweiser trucks. What the left
Speaker 1: has done with Elon is not only reject their own
Speaker 1: principles upon which they stand, but actually take it to
Speaker 1: the next step. They're lighting Tesla's on fire everywhere. People
Speaker 1: are getting busted on the Tesla cameras, keying Tesla vehicles
Speaker 1: all over the place, behaving in a fundamentally ridiculous and
Speaker 1: frankly violent manner over this, And to me, it just
Speaker 1: kind of ties in with It's one thing to make
Speaker 1: a decision about a product that you like or don't like.
Speaker 1: We said, hey, you make a great product. The benefit
Speaker 1: typically is even if you disagree with the product, you'll
Speaker 1: probably still consume it. When we say chick fil A,
Speaker 1: there's nobody who I'm sorry, there's nobody who makes a
Speaker 1: better chicken sandwich than Chick fil A. And one of
Speaker 1: the great things about the Chick fil A sandwich, by
Speaker 1: the way, buck is the pickle. Lots of gay people,
Speaker 1: lots of gay people out there rolled into Chick fil
Speaker 1: A like crazy. They're like, ah, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: they supported gay marriage, but man, their chicken nuggets are
Speaker 1: just so good. I'm going to go in and get
Speaker 1: them anyway. Right second, we talked about this yesterday before
Speaker 1: you strict a stroke it strict had it stricken form
Speaker 1: the record, Yes, when you talked about how much your
Speaker 1: wife Carrie loves Costco, I also love Costco. Costco Estate
Speaker 1: committed to DEI I think they're wrong there. They're still
Speaker 1: the best warehouse shopping center option out there, and I
Speaker 1: still really like their samples, and I'm still going to
Speaker 1: spend money at Costco. Their brand is so good, much
Speaker 1: like Chick fil A, that even if they have politics
Speaker 1: that are somewhat different than me, that I'm not going
Speaker 1: to shop I'm going to continue to shop there. Tesla
Speaker 1: makes the best electric vehicle in the world, is my understanding,
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on this, but the people who
Speaker 1: have Tesla's rave about them Buck, and this is one
Speaker 1: reason I'm looking at potentially buying one you're looking at
Speaker 1: potentially buying I want to stand up and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I believe in American exceptionalism. I think Elon Musk is
Speaker 1: an exceptional American capitalist in all facets, and I would
Speaker 1: like to believe that it is rational Americans out there
Speaker 1: who aren't going to punish him because he's trying to
Speaker 1: make the government more efficient Buck in his free time,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't have to do this at all. He's
Speaker 1: just giving back to the country to try to make
Speaker 1: sure that our deficit doesn't drown all of us in
Speaker 1: red ink. And you've got a couple of voices weighing
Speaker 1: in on this defending the Remember it's not really about
Speaker 1: defending Elon personally. This is about the company. It's about Tesla,
Speaker 1: which is doing great things. It's innovating, it's employing people,
Speaker 1: it's making incredible products. You know, we're there's so much
Speaker 1: about it. It's pure in America. The cars are made
Speaker 1: here in America. It's not some you know, we're not
Speaker 1: We're not having some sweatshop somewhere putting together iPhones, just
Speaker 1: saying again, I wish I could tell you I don't
Speaker 1: have an iPhone. I do, but it's because I don't
Speaker 1: like the other options. And you know, but I'm aware
Speaker 1: of what goes on here, right, it's not always perfect
Speaker 1: to make these make these kinds of choices. Kevin O'Leary, though,
Speaker 1: points out that Tim Walls is a bozo. This is
Speaker 1: mister wonderful cut nine.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Tim Walls and his comments about the
Speaker 5: Tesla stock.
Speaker 1: He says, it gives him a boost to see that
Speaker 1: stock going down.
Speaker 7: That poor guy didn't check his portfolio and his own
Speaker 7: pension plan for state is beyond stupid what he did.
Speaker 7: He's talking down a three and a half percent waiting
Speaker 7: his own pension plan. I mean, what's the matter with
Speaker 7: that guy? He doesn't check the well being of his
Speaker 7: own constituency, that's your mind.
Speaker 1: I'm what a bozone. He's pointing out the economic illiteracy
Speaker 1: of somebody like it, Tim Walls. Companies like Tesla are
Speaker 1: what have been moving the market in recent years, which
Speaker 1: means four oh one caves, which means pension plans, the
Speaker 1: you know, the growth of the major American corps is
Speaker 1: lifting up the overall market. And even if you think, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not in the market, Oh no, you're in the
Speaker 1: market because it affects the cost of borrowing. It affects
Speaker 1: the cost of your rent or your mortgage, or the
Speaker 1: payments on your car, or the credit card interest rates
Speaker 1: that you have. Hey, there is no escaping the market
Speaker 1: if you're operating in America today and to want companies
Speaker 1: whether it's Tesla or in Video or you know, the
Speaker 1: magnificent seven stocks will talk about when you root for
Speaker 1: those to fill, you're rooting actually for the American economy
Speaker 1: to feel pain and there to be less wealth in
Speaker 1: this country. And that's what they're doing because they don't
Speaker 1: like Elon because he's too nice to Trump. And again
Speaker 1: they're also rooting for climate change, which is like at
Speaker 1: its most basic level, did you see this idiot astronaut
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, Senator from Arizona, went and traded in his
Speaker 1: Tesla and went and got a gas guzzling suv to
Speaker 1: replace it. So what is the story that you support? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean again, I think part of being adulthood you
Speaker 1: mentioned the iPhone. Part of being an adult is recognizing
Speaker 1: that everybody's not going to agree with you on every
Speaker 1: single thing and still making decisions that are somewhat rational
Speaker 1: when it comes to products, right, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: my toilet paper to have a strong position on any
Speaker 1: political issue. I just want them to kind of make
Speaker 1: toilet paper that doesn't fail, right, that actually works. And
Speaker 1: I think most Americans I don't want my cat litter
Speaker 1: brand to send me an email about what they think
Speaker 1: about BLM. I think most Americans just want the product
Speaker 1: itself to not take a particular stand. Elon has not
Speaker 1: said that Tesla has a particular stand.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is Elon musk individual donating his time to try
Speaker 1: to make the government more efficient. It isn't actually directly
Speaker 1: connected to Tesla at all. It would be different if
Speaker 1: he had said, Hey, I don't want any Democrat to
Speaker 1: drive my car. I would think that's a really bad move.
Speaker 1: I'm old school buck, I'm like Michael Jordan. Republicans by
Speaker 1: sneakers too, right, Like you should try to appeal to everyone.
Speaker 1: The Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who has been very outspoken
Speaker 1: about a lot of things in the economy. He spoke,
Speaker 1: He's straight up said now he's a senior government official,
Speaker 1: cabinet member. Well, I'll let you listen to what he
Speaker 1: said about Tesla play ten.
Speaker 4: He's the guy who's going to build the next generation technology.
Speaker 4: I think if you want to learn something on this
Speaker 4: show tonight by Tesla, it's unbelievable that this guy stock
Speaker 4: is this cheap. It'll never be this cheap again. When
Speaker 4: people understand the things he's building, the robots he's building,
Speaker 4: the technology he's building, people are going to be dreaming
Speaker 4: of today and Jesse Waters and thinking, gosh, I should
Speaker 4: have bought Elon Musk's stock. I mean, who wouldn't invest
Speaker 4: in Elon Musk?
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding, all right, So you're calling the bottom.
Speaker 4: This is it, Whether today's the bottom or not. I
Speaker 4: tell you what, Elon Musk is probably the best person
Speaker 4: to bet up.
Speaker 1: I've ever met. There, you go, pretty strong endorsement. Buck Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Commerce secretary effectively saying, this is the most impressive
Speaker 1: CEO living today in the world. It's a big deal,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know. And and he's trying to help
Speaker 1: the government instead of just running his incredible companies. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend
Speaker 1: Ryan Gradusky joins us. Now It's a Numbers Game is
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Speaker 1: to the podcast. First though, mister Gradusky, great to have
Speaker 1: you with us. How are you? Yeah, we're good man.
Speaker 1: So so you said, we have a lot of things
Speaker 1: to run by you. But first off, what was your
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway when you looked at those numbers that were
Speaker 1: released yesterday where the outlier extraordinaire was white college educated
Speaker 1: women who are apparently obsessed with Zelenski and di.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think that shocked anybody. Those with the
Speaker 8: NBC polls that they held from Sunday, They just live.
Speaker 8: White men without a college degree and white women with
Speaker 8: a college degree don't live in the same country. I mean,
Speaker 8: they just fundamentally don't. Men without a white man without
Speaker 8: a college degree live in Texas and white women without
Speaker 8: a college with a college degree live in like Sweden.
Speaker 8: So it's just it's not they don't. They don't have
Speaker 8: the same concerns, they don't have the same issues. It's
Speaker 8: it's bizarre. And when I can kind of I can
Speaker 8: kind of like sit there and really break it into
Speaker 8: an ideology is that one has a very comfortable level
Speaker 8: of living and one does not. If your biggest issue
Speaker 8: with Zelenski You're probably not worry that much about your
Speaker 8: monthly bills or an illegal alien, you know, attacking you
Speaker 8: or breaking to your ranch if you live on the border.
Speaker 8: This is just a completely different life that they live.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I mean it's it's a totally different world.
Speaker 8: And it makes for bad politics because white women with
Speaker 8: a college degree who are on the left are getting
Speaker 8: more radicalized. They're getting further to the left, and that's
Speaker 8: a problem.
Speaker 1: So does the problem get resolved in any way if
Speaker 1: abortion becomes less of a national political issue and more
Speaker 1: of an individual state issue, Because it seems like to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious if you buy this thesis Ryan, that
Speaker 1: Democrats have uniquely exploited the fears of educated white women
Speaker 1: when it comes to reproductive rights, and that that is
Speaker 1: the motivating factor for many of them, particularly if you're
Speaker 1: in your twenties or thirties. Given the fact that abortion,
Speaker 1: whatever you think about it, the numbers haven't really changed
Speaker 1: that much since Roe v. Wade was overturned. Is the
Speaker 1: impact of abortion as a national political issue maybe something
Speaker 1: that could bring these women back to some measure of
Speaker 1: political sanity or not.
Speaker 8: No, I don't think that it's abortion. I mean I
Speaker 8: think abortion is part of the question, but part of it,
Speaker 8: certainly a large part. But the second the biggest group
Speaker 8: of white women to vote for Democrats were white women
Speaker 8: in their late twenties early thirties. That would be the
Speaker 8: abortion group. The second largest were white women over the
Speaker 8: age of seventy but under the age of eighty. So
Speaker 8: if it was just an abortion thing.
Speaker 1: So sorry to cut you off. If that's fascinating, what
Speaker 1: do you think is motivating those white women college educated
Speaker 1: seventy to eighty Because again, abortion to your point, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're getting abortions.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're watching MSNBC and Rachel Meadow and they are
Speaker 8: BLM and they are listen. The baby boomer generation was
Speaker 8: the very it was the second most progressive generation to millennials.
Speaker 8: I mean, they are a progressive generation. And if your
Speaker 8: entire life is basically politics, which I mean for a
Speaker 8: lot of a lot of women in their seventies and
Speaker 8: eighties who either a don't have husbands because they've passed
Speaker 8: away or they never married, or they don't have children
Speaker 8: or grandchildren because their millennial children never had children, politics
Speaker 8: becomes a bigger and bigger and bigger issue in your
Speaker 8: life and what we saw in the other thing that
Speaker 8: came out on Monday, which I what about for the
Speaker 8: National papa's news that are David Shore's thing. David Shore's
Speaker 8: big piece on data was that people who paid attention
Speaker 8: to politics a lot voted very, very heavily to Kamala Harrison.
Speaker 8: People who got their news from mainstream media outlets. If
Speaker 8: you look at the average CNN or MSNBC viewer, they
Speaker 8: are over the age of seventy years old. They are
Speaker 8: seven year old, usually college educated or non college but
Speaker 8: mostly college educated, white women who obsess about politics. It
Speaker 8: is their religion, it's their QBC, it's there, it's the
Speaker 8: children that they didn't have, with the grandchildren they didn't have.
Speaker 8: It becomes their whole world. And that's why it's become
Speaker 8: so toxic. And they also fall in line on every issue.
Speaker 8: They're not only for BLM. They have long COVID. They
Speaker 8: don't only have long COVID. They need to protect abortion rights.
Speaker 8: They don't know any protect abortion rights. They need to
Speaker 8: protect trans rights in Angola. You know the USAID every
Speaker 8: single you know, tyranny is on the is on the
Speaker 8: run every single second of every single day. If you
Speaker 8: hear them, it's exhausting to live that way. But that's
Speaker 8: the that's the second biggest group outside of like late
Speaker 8: twenty early thirties. It's not abortion, it's just straight up ideology.
Speaker 8: And perhaps because they live in such comfortable environments suburbs,
Speaker 8: wealthy parts of cities, they don't have to worry about
Speaker 8: crime or or you know, the fact that they're not
Speaker 8: money coming in the next month. They're probably living pretty comfortably.
Speaker 1: So, Ryan, I wanted to ask you about these slew
Speaker 1: of people, including Gail King, Nancy Pelosi and others, who
Speaker 1: are really giving Schumer some rough stuff. Is this just
Speaker 1: about the CR that he went along with so that
Speaker 1: the government didn't shut down? I mean we could expect that.
Speaker 1: Or is this going deeper to the power struggle within
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party right now? And if so, who is
Speaker 1: angling to take over what feels like a ship that
Speaker 1: has on many leaks over at Democrat land.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the fact that not only did he
Speaker 8: vote for the CR, but he left vulnerable House Democrats.
Speaker 8: I mean they like they all voted against it except
Speaker 8: for Jared Golden Up. In main second, you have a
Speaker 8: dozen Democrats who live in Trump districts who just voted
Speaker 8: to shut down the government and they just vote against
Speaker 8: all the things that that means, all the funding for
Speaker 8: military and veterans and seniors and everything. And there will
Speaker 8: be a campaign commercial coming to every one of those
Speaker 8: districts in a few in the next year, and it's
Speaker 8: thirteen months or fifteen months saying, you know, insert Democrat
Speaker 8: here voted to shut down your government and suspend your
Speaker 8: you know, payments to your veterans. That is going to
Speaker 8: hurt them and it's going to be so toxic, and
Speaker 8: it makes them look like they can't govern. And you know,
Speaker 8: they say they can't get anything out of it. They
Speaker 8: got the old Biden budget. I mean there was like
Speaker 8: thing ten billion in cuts. There's nothing really in cuts substantial,
Speaker 8: but it makes them look bad, makes mostly they can't govern.
Speaker 8: And who replaces Schumer, I don't know who's going to
Speaker 8: It used to be with like dict Urban, he's eighty three,
Speaker 8: he's on his way out. It won't be Bernie, I mean,
Speaker 8: Elizabeth Warren is seventy six. It has to be somebody
Speaker 8: who can bring in a lot of money, because that's
Speaker 8: really a big part of the job as being leaders
Speaker 8: who can raise a lot of money. It's not like
Speaker 8: Kirsten Gillibrand. They have a big, big.
Speaker 1: Issue who is the best? Who is the best fundraiser? Ryan,
Speaker 1: because you'd actually know this, And I'm just curious because
Speaker 1: you're who's the best Democrat fundraiser? Now? Who's under sixty five?
Speaker 8: The best fundraiser on the Republican side is? I think
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure it's Tim Scott for sure on the
Speaker 8: Senate side. Tim Scott's the best fundraiser. On the Democratic side,
Speaker 8: I believe it's Schumer in his pack. Schumer and his
Speaker 8: packs raised over one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the younger generation. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: who's already starting.
Speaker 8: To say AOC for sure? Corey Bush ISOC AOC.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: AOC raises a bucket loads of money. Yeah, and she
Speaker 8: usually gives it all away.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Ryan Gerdusky. Ryan, I love the data
Speaker 1: that you bring to bear. Encourage people to check out
Speaker 1: your podcast. The data reflects that Trump did not actually
Speaker 1: do better with white voters, right, The white voters from
Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four have stayed basically similar,
Speaker 1: and that in fact, moved a little bit Democrat maybe,
Speaker 1: but that the reason why Trump won in all fifty states,
Speaker 1: Black Hispanic Asian support rising. I'm curious is now the
Speaker 1: Trump Yeah? Is that Trump support? You think as we
Speaker 1: look ahead to twenty six and twenty eight, how much
Speaker 1: of that do you think is attributable to Trump himself
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Republican Party. In other words, does
Speaker 1: that movement continue if it's JD. Vance or someone like that,
Speaker 1: or is Trump a unique political unicorn in that respect?
Speaker 8: So this is the episode for a Numbers Game podcast
Speaker 8: that's coming out next Monday. I'm super excited about this.
Speaker 8: Data comes from David Shore, who's a Democrat, a data scientist.
Speaker 8: He's brilliant and very very smart his data, and he
Speaker 8: did a really deep out of not only like exit polling,
Speaker 8: but where people were voting and looking at voting files.
Speaker 8: What happened was between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump
Speaker 8: lost about one to two percent of the white vote
Speaker 8: in between those two elections. He gained all that back
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four. So there were Trump or Gary
Speaker 8: Johnson Biden Trump voters. There was that swing basically all
Speaker 8: the people, but for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and
Speaker 8: then voted for Biden, came back to Trump. That was
Speaker 8: that was worth one point five percent of his three
Speaker 8: point national game. Half came from white people, the other
Speaker 8: half came from minorities. He didn't gain that much with blacks,
Speaker 8: It was a small amount. The biggest was Black conservatives.
Speaker 8: He gained about eight points over the course the last
Speaker 8: eight years. But among Hispanic moderates he gained twenty three points.
Speaker 8: In twenty sixteen, Hillary won eighty one percent of his
Speaker 8: Spanic moderates. Trump won fifty. Sorry, Kamala won fifty eight
Speaker 8: percent eight years later, So from eighty one to fifty eight,
Speaker 8: the other part was Asian moderates. Hillary one seventy eight,
Speaker 8: Kamala one sixty seven, a double digit drop among moderates
Speaker 8: in the Asian community. Is this a Trump thing partially,
Speaker 8: but it's part of a larger national story. In England
Speaker 8: you see the Conservative Party doing better among minorities. In Canada,
Speaker 8: you see the Conservatives doing better among minorities. It is
Speaker 8: a thing along the entire West where you've started seeing
Speaker 8: part of minority, as part of the minority coalition, vote
Speaker 8: their ideology instead of their race, which they usually vote
Speaker 8: their race over their ideology. Is it a Trump thing,
Speaker 8: That's a great question. Actually, Trump was more of a
Speaker 8: deterrent than a supplier of this. The people who don't
Speaker 8: trust the Democratic Party is higher than the people who
Speaker 8: voted for Trump. Had everybody been voting, voted have forced
Speaker 8: to vote. David Shore's estimates that Trump wouldn't have won
Speaker 8: by one point seven points percent, he would have won
Speaker 8: by five percent. Because when you ask on issues like
Speaker 8: everything from like AI to poverty to not only does
Speaker 8: the economy and immigration, but student loans, they trust Republicans
Speaker 8: way more than Democrats. The only issue Democrats have a
Speaker 8: sizeable advantage that people care on, an issue that people
Speaker 8: care about is healthcare. That is the only issue that
Speaker 8: they have over Republicans On everything else, they have a deep,
Speaker 8: deep distrust of the Democratic Party. And I'll say one
Speaker 8: more thing. Voters who got their information from social media
Speaker 8: were much more inclined to vote for Trump. The biggest group,
Speaker 8: the biggest demographic to vote for Trump. According to the
Speaker 8: David Shor data, white men under the age of twenty.
Speaker 8: Seventy five percent of white men under twenty voted for Trump.
Speaker 8: That is the largest demographic of any group ever, more
Speaker 8: than seniors, more than any other racial group. Trump won
Speaker 8: a majority of voters under twenty white women, white men,
Speaker 8: and non white men. The only group under twenty that
Speaker 8: Trump lost to Kamala Harris were non white women.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Stat is amazing. Yeah. Do you think that's COVID.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's yes, it's completely COVID. It is the lockdown generation.
Speaker 8: Lockdowns split jen Wiz Zoomers in half. So older Zoomers
Speaker 8: who had already gone through the high school experience and
Speaker 8: graduated or were even past college, they are much more
Speaker 8: liberal than those who were lockdown and misgraduations games. Friends.
Speaker 8: They were getting all their news on the Internet, and
Speaker 8: they were coming at a time where the BLM riots
Speaker 8: were happening, that me too was happening, and there was
Speaker 8: a surge of Internet personalities, everyone from Jordan Peterson to
Speaker 8: Ben Shapiro to more nefarious characters in the Internet but noneless. Still,
Speaker 8: they were being inundated with information from social media, free
Speaker 8: of the gates that the regular media provides. And so
Speaker 8: the younger generation right now is the most Republicans. Eighteen
Speaker 8: to twenty year olds in the last election are the
Speaker 8: most Republican generation, according to the David Shore data, which
Speaker 8: I do trust, the most republican generation since the greatest
Speaker 8: generation the fought World War Two. That is how far
Speaker 8: right wing, especially white men under the age of twenty,
Speaker 8: the most republican generation we have seen probably in sixty
Speaker 8: to seventy years.
Speaker 1: Go check out more from Ryan Gerdusky with It's a
Speaker 1: Numbers Game, his podcast on the Klayan Buck Network. He
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Speaker 1: Ryan really interesting as always, man, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Welcome Ack In, Clay Traviits Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
Speaker 1: by our good friend Julie Kelly. We were just talking
Speaker 1: earlier in the program at the top of this hour
Speaker 1: about all of the craziness coming from the federal District
Speaker 1: Court judges and Julie, I'll start off with this. I
Speaker 1: said that I am so what optimistic that things are
Speaker 1: going to get better with the judiciary in the years
Speaker 1: ahead because Trump last I mean, Trump won, and I
Speaker 1: think one reason Democrats lost was because they went so political.
Speaker 1: You have been covering, and they try to put them
Speaker 1: in prison, and they try to bankrupt him in all
Speaker 1: those things. You've been covering these cases like crazy. We've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like the resistance that Trump is getting
Speaker 1: from the federal district courts right now. Are you optimistic
Speaker 1: in the future or do you think our judicial system
Speaker 1: is just a huge pile of steaming pooh.
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to go with the latter, because, of course I have covered,
Speaker 2: especially in Washington, DC, and I've talked about with you
Speaker 2: guys what's happened with the j six proceedings in Washington
Speaker 2: and the case against the president. These judges feel impervious
Speaker 2: and they have not been held accountabul when Chief Justice
Speaker 2: sunt rothbert that really inappropriate. I think treatment about impeachment
Speaker 2: not his place. Number one. The problem is not that
Speaker 2: impeachment is thrown around or overused. The problem is that
Speaker 2: impeachment has not been used. I think fourteen federal judges
Speaker 2: have been impeached, only eight have been convicted. Congress has
Speaker 2: completely advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So
Speaker 2: this is how you get Jim Bossberg, and this is
Speaker 2: how you get time to Chuckkin and Baryl Howell and
Speaker 2: these other judges because they know they're not accountable. So
Speaker 2: until these judges are held accountable, and not by being
Speaker 2: reversed by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the
Speaker 2: immunity case. I saw that the Fisher the overturning of
Speaker 2: the fifteen twelve v. Two against j six ers. These
Speaker 2: lower court judges don't care and if if they're Democrats,
Speaker 2: they don't think that the Supreme Court is legitimate anyway.
Speaker 2: So this is a serious crisis. This is why the
Speaker 2: public's trust in the federal judiciary is that an all
Speaker 2: time low, and Republicans who are threatening to file articles
Speaker 2: and impeach and I think some have been filed, or
Speaker 2: to strict jurisdiction from some of the most egregious political
Speaker 2: actors on the bench, or simply to shut down the
Speaker 2: DC's federal court system, which I've advocated for years strong
Speaker 2: measures need to be taken otherwise this is going to
Speaker 2: actually help.
Speaker 1: It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the
Speaker 1: DC Circuit Court is essentially an extra branch of government.
Speaker 1: It's like the failsafe for the deep state. Right, they
Speaker 1: can bring any case they want there, and they know
Speaker 1: that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way.
Speaker 1: And this is very clear the fact that they didn't.
Speaker 1: I always have to remind people of this that none
Speaker 1: of the j six related individuals were able to get
Speaker 1: a different a different venue for the trial. I think
Speaker 1: even I think Timothy McVay was given a different you
Speaker 1: for his trial from Oklahoma City. If memory serves like
Speaker 1: this is a standard thing in the justice system for
Speaker 1: people if there's considered to be a prejudice jury to
Speaker 1: be able to get it. No one right, No one
Speaker 1: got got the court or got the jurisdiction. The venue
Speaker 1: moved from DC. So that's very troubling some of these
Speaker 1: district judges. Of the stuff that they've come up with,
Speaker 1: the ones that to me are well the turning around
Speaker 1: of the plane with the trend to Ragua guys, that
Speaker 1: seems to be the most egregious. I think to most
Speaker 1: of us, but a couple of other ones jually the judge,
Speaker 1: and you're familiar with these different judges. I know too,
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. You know who these individuals are
Speaker 1: from covering them. The judge who said that you can't
Speaker 1: ban transgenders from serving in the military. And now there's
Speaker 1: a judge that I believe has ordered the DOJ to
Speaker 1: return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender,
Speaker 1: Like this is just they're just making up laws.
Speaker 2: Now they are, and they're completely undermining. And these are
Speaker 2: all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking
Speaker 2: about is Anna Reeus, who is the first LGBTQ Biden
Speaker 2: appointed district court judge in Washington, basically reversing vacating the
Speaker 2: President's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lambert,
Speaker 2: a regular appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the
Speaker 2: book at Jay six Ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for
Speaker 2: fifty seven months on the obstruction count that was later overturned,
Speaker 2: and he himself rejecting the President's executive order and ordering
Speaker 2: the government US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional
Speaker 2: surgery for these transients who are in prison either criminals. Right,
Speaker 2: We're not just saying, you know, for whoever wants it.
Speaker 2: They are in federal custodies. And then of course Jim
Speaker 2: Bossberg ordering verbally for or the Department of Justice and
Speaker 2: BHS to return flights that were already in the air
Speaker 2: out of US air space, very likely traveling over either
Speaker 2: Mexico or Central America, ordering the return of those flights
Speaker 2: carrying known illegal immigrants or suspected Venezuelan terrorist tied to
Speaker 2: that DA day. Who do these judges think that they are?
Speaker 2: And so now what Gosburg is doing is I think
Speaker 2: setting up a kintunt trap because he was saying, well,
Speaker 2: I made this verbal order, you should have turned the
Speaker 2: planes allow, no planes should have taken off that day
Speaker 2: at all, because I was holding this peering And this
Speaker 2: is a temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two
Speaker 2: of them on Saturday that last fourteen days and again
Speaker 2: preventing the President and his team from executing his proclamation
Speaker 2: over the weekends of the Alien Enemies Act. So excuse me,
Speaker 2: this is this is very reckless, very destructive, and dangerous.
Speaker 2: No one should be defending what these judges are doing.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, all of these are going on a field.
Speaker 2: There's oral arguments in the Venezuelan tariffs case on Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2: I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you as
Speaker 2: bad as I knew these judges were, and how they
Speaker 2: just repeatedly denied, to your point, due process for j Sixers,
Speaker 2: refusing in every single case to move those trials out
Speaker 2: of Washington, DC to now see them leap to the
Speaker 2: rescue and allegedly protect the quote unquote due process rights
Speaker 2: of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose
Speaker 2: a legitimate threat to this country, not that Jay Sixers did.
Speaker 2: It's pretty head spinning hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: Well, we're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned in
Speaker 1: the jan Sixers, and when you first started coming on
Speaker 1: with us four years ago, you were one of the
Speaker 1: very few people out there actually shining a light on
Speaker 1: how they were being treated. Given the Democrat obsession with
Speaker 1: January sixth and the years that they spent on it,
Speaker 1: are you somewhat surprised that Trump came in immediately pardoned
Speaker 1: to every January sixer and the story just vanished. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't that kind of interesting? Because there were all these
Speaker 1: arguments out there, Oh, if Trump pardons all the jan
Speaker 1: six ers, this will be a constitutional and he did it,
Speaker 1: and no one even mentions hardly January sixth anymore. Are
Speaker 1: you surprised at how quickly it's kind of vanished?
Speaker 2: Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know,
Speaker 2: I talked to the President a few days before inauguration day,
Speaker 2: talked to him for at length about what had happened
Speaker 2: to the j sixers, you know, the various part in proposals.
Speaker 2: He expressed he was very committed to blanket pardon with
Speaker 2: a few exceptions, and that's, of course exactly what he did.
Speaker 2: And there was some noise about it for what a
Speaker 2: week or ten days, and then has completely disappeared. And
Speaker 2: the Democrats want to forget about January sixth. I think
Speaker 2: with Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh can
Speaker 2: we stop talking about January sixth already? It's really funny one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But yes, I am very surprised, but happily so. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's great to see these people starting to
Speaker 2: pick up the pieces of their lives. But you know,
Speaker 2: I was reading one of the filings today in the
Speaker 2: Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers
Speaker 2: defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the
Speaker 2: alleged rights of these illegals have. And it's really disturbing
Speaker 2: that we saw none of that for American citizens wrongly
Speaker 2: prosecuted for participating in the events of January sixth. I mean,
Speaker 2: the co legal judicial system is so upside down.
Speaker 1: Can I just jump in really quick early to say
Speaker 1: that from my understanding from friends in the legal world,
Speaker 1: if you defend and like if you would defend Osama
Speaker 1: bin Laden you obviously that won't happen. But if someone
Speaker 1: could do that, that would be considered a feather in
Speaker 1: their legal cap going forward. They could say it's like
Speaker 1: John Adams defending the red Coats, like everyone deserves. But
Speaker 1: no one felt that way in a lot of the
Speaker 1: big law firms and in sort of the big law
Speaker 1: world about J six Americans, yeah, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Most of them relied on public defenders. Some of those
Speaker 2: public defenders were very good, others were terrible, and I
Speaker 2: saw I saw both sides to that. But going back
Speaker 2: to Jeb Bosberg, I was in a sport room in
Speaker 2: December the week before Christmas, he put a woman who
Speaker 2: went inside the capital for nine minutes committed no violence
Speaker 2: charge with four misdemeanors. He put her on trial the
Speaker 2: week before Christmas, before DC jury juror from the city
Speaker 2: that had just voted ninety two percent for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the trial and
Speaker 2: colle after the president was inaugurated, knowing that she would
Speaker 2: be getting a pardon because of course she only had misdemeanors,
Speaker 2: and he denied postponing that trial, put her on trial
Speaker 2: for three days. She was immediately convicted by the CDC jury.
Speaker 2: So that that's the mindset of these judges. No due process,
Speaker 2: no protection of constitutional rights for American citizens because they're
Speaker 2: Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday as soon as
Speaker 2: he possibly could, ordering claims to be turned around, carrying
Speaker 2: Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government for disclosure details
Speaker 2: of those deportations LIFs just I mean, how can you
Speaker 2: how can a government deal with someone like that you
Speaker 2: can't uh block.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of
Speaker 1: legal representation, because I remember this was one of the
Speaker 1: first things we talked about with you, Julie, was you
Speaker 1: were raising money so that the lawyers could be better.
Speaker 1: John Adams defended the Boston massacre British soldiers in a
Speaker 1: pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten,
Speaker 1: because it used to be a basically foundational belief of
Speaker 1: lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even
Speaker 1: people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to bucks point,
Speaker 1: and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: line up. I've got friends who worked on nine to
Speaker 1: eleven prosecutions. The people who were involved in flying planes
Speaker 1: into our buildings have elite representation. Look, I don't begrudge that,
Speaker 1: because I think that is the American system of justice.
Speaker 1: But Julie, just to kind of finish here, how many
Speaker 1: elite lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their
Speaker 1: time to rep the Jay sixers.
Speaker 2: There were no elite, white shoe law firms that stepped
Speaker 2: up to defend a single j sixer.
Speaker 1: Not one.
Speaker 2: Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were
Speaker 2: retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders,
Speaker 2: but not as single. You see all of these law
Speaker 2: firms lined up not just defending these terrorists but fighting
Speaker 2: the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name
Speaker 2: law firms. Now none of them stepped up for American
Speaker 2: citizens because they considered them terrorists. You know, the Venezuelan
Speaker 2: gang members, the tatries all over the place, who have
Speaker 2: suspected ties to TDA. They're not terrorists, they're victims. But
Speaker 2: you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes, commit no violence,
Speaker 2: and you have the chief Judge of the DC District
Speaker 2: Court putting you on trial in the most democratic committy
Speaker 2: in the country for a quick conviction. No, none of them.
Speaker 2: That's so shame on these law firms. And this is
Speaker 2: why I'm so glad to see the President doing what
Speaker 2: he can to vilify these law firms, strip them up
Speaker 2: security clearances, access to documents and buildings, and doing yet
Speaker 2: image to their business, because that's exactly what they deserve.
Speaker 1: Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking
Speaker 1: to you again, and thank you for the last four years.
Speaker 1: How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us
Speaker 1: updated on all this.
Speaker 2: See you guys are awesome for always having me on.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.
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