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Speaker 1: This episode contains sensitive topics. Listening discretion is advice, hellove

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Speaker 1: professional homegirls, it'sha girl, ebenet here, and I hope all

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Speaker 1: is cute now. In this week's rewind episode, I sat

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Speaker 1: down with a shripper who shared her story from how

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Speaker 1: she got started in the industry to her thoughts on

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Speaker 1: stripper appropriation and the effects of colorism. She also opened

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Speaker 1: up about how men overly hyper sexualized her once they

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Speaker 1: found out that she.

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Speaker 2: Was a shripper.

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Speaker 1: Y'all, I don't know if y'all knew this about me,

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Speaker 1: but back in the day, I used to love going

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Speaker 1: to strip clubs. I'm talking about, like, you could not

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Speaker 1: keep my little ass out of a strip club. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you had the vibes, you had the niggas with the money.

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Speaker 1: But most importantly, y'all, shrip clubs had the best food,

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Speaker 1: like as I can't remember the club and queens. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, I'm thinking sus but I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's the name of the one in Queen's. But y'all,

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Speaker 1: they had the best hot wings. I'm talking about, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, best hot wings. So if you knew me,

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Speaker 1: you know I was really excited to chat with this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. Also, this episode was recorded in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: so I'm definitely gonna do like a follow up series

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Speaker 1: and reach out to some of our favorite professional homegirls

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Speaker 1: from back in the day and just see where they at,

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Speaker 1: what they doing, you know what I'm saying, Do they

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Speaker 1: leave that nigga? You know, I know things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: So if you have a favorite guest from back in

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Speaker 1: the day when we first started with the Professional Homegirl Podcast,

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Speaker 1: please make sure to email me at hello at thephgpodcast

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Speaker 1: dot com so we can see what they've been up to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's get into it, y'all, because I am a

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Speaker 1: shripper stars now.

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Speaker 3: So how you feeling. I'm super excited to have you

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Speaker 3: on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm really excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous, but I know everybody's nervous. Why

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Speaker 2: you're nervous, I don't know, because it's like no one's

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Speaker 2: ever asked me to actually like talk about like you know,

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Speaker 2: the stuff that I talk about. But I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: So I'm so happy that you're a part of this

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Speaker 3: week's episode. So this week episode. I'm an interviewing a

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Speaker 3: shripper and I have a list of questions, but I

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Speaker 3: want to share the story. So I went to Miami

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago just to like get away

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Speaker 2: And when I found.

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Speaker 3: Your page, you talked about colorism, which we're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: about later, but you talked about colorism within the shrip

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Speaker 3: club industry. And I know because you're a brownie, so

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Speaker 3: I know that colorism is something that we have to

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Speaker 3: in the shrip club. So me and my boyfriend went

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Speaker 3: to the strip club in Miami, and literally when I

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Speaker 3: read your article about colorism, I didn't see no brownies

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Speaker 3: in the shrip club. Yeah, And I was like, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's sadly, especially in like bigger cities like that,

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Speaker 2: I think that you tend to see it more because

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Speaker 2: like say like G five or something like that. That's

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Speaker 2: the love that it's kind of somewhat new compared to

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Speaker 2: So they want to upkeep this image of having these

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Speaker 2: They'll have a couple of brown skin girls, a couple

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Speaker 2: we don't discriminate. But then it's like the the main

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Speaker 2: girls that you see will be light skinned girls. Girl,

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Speaker 2: but they're gonna talk about it later. But I was

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Speaker 2: just like I thought about you, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was just like, I don't see nobody that looks like

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Speaker 2: Gotta rely exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But my first question is, so how long have you

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Speaker 2: I have been a stripper about a year and three

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Speaker 2: I was eighteen years old.

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Speaker 3: So how do you feel about from when you first

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Speaker 2: Oh? God, I have learned so much. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the crazy thing is is the first time I ever

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Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, because I was like,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: So like I knew nothing about this life and just

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Speaker 2: compared to how I started and where I'm at now,

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Speaker 2: I've learned so much, not only about stripping, but it's

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Speaker 2: taught me so much about myself as well. I've had

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Speaker 2: like it's like I always said, like the strip club

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Speaker 2: very much helped me find myself at a young age.

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy that I say that to people. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, So what were some of the events

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Speaker 2: Oh? God, So basically I had I was in college,

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Speaker 2: I moved out of my mom's house. I was working

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Speaker 2: at Chick fil A at the time. Oh good, I

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Speaker 2: love it. I love them too, But then I don't

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Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm just gonna have to dance and

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Speaker 2: that's basically how I started dancing. I started dancing quit

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Speaker 3: And it was his sister was asking your folks for help,

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Speaker 2: Was like literally in the wall. I have a lot

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm asking. Yeah. So for me, it's like

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Speaker 2: even I talk about that even with my blog about

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Speaker 2: just like financial literacy and stuff like that. No one

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Speaker 2: So the only person, the only person I really ever

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Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, my Grandma's seventy two years old,

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Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. She she could do yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So it's like I really didn't have anyone any plan

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Speaker 3: So how was your first night? Cause I if I

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Speaker 2: So the crazy thing is is that when I Okay,

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Speaker 2: so when I started dancing, I started dancing at gentleman clubs,

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Speaker 2: so that's a very different vibe from of course urban clubs.

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Speaker 2: And I remember the club that I danced at, they

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Speaker 2: didn't do like lap dances. They only did like vip dances,

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Speaker 2: vip rooms, champagne rooms. So I remember the first time

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Speaker 2: it was in a champagne room. It was a VIP dance.

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Speaker 2: It was like two songs for sixty dollars or something

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Speaker 2: like that, and I remember I was just like so

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Speaker 2: And that's what I really liked to buy that club

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Speaker 2: that's the craziest part. Most people are nervous to dance,

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Speaker 2: but I was just never nervous to dance for some reason,

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Speaker 2: to be naked in front of people. But the whole

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you don't know what niggas be about to

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Speaker 3: do it exactly. But how was that transition from the

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Speaker 2: So basically what happened was that, you know, I got

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Speaker 2: had to, you know, move back to my hometown. It's

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Speaker 2: a long story, but yeah, so I got kicked out

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Speaker 2: there's a couple more urban clubs, and it's actually really

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Speaker 2: I was I remember, I would be so afraid because

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Speaker 2: I'm a very petite woman. Yes, yes, so of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, all the images that we see of black

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Speaker 2: like a lot going on, a lot of money being thrown,

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Speaker 2: just a lot of wild stuff going on. But I

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Speaker 2: and I actually love working there at a black club.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the transition was very different because I feel

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Speaker 2: like with black men, you have to hustle them way more.

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Speaker 2: I say that, oh yeah, black men will only give

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Speaker 2: White men they'll they'll be generous, but no, you have

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Speaker 2: That's why I always say I learned my hustle in

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Speaker 2: the Black Strip Club.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, what is the misconcept misconceptions you want to

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Speaker 3: clear up about being a stripper.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, there are so many. Yeah. I think that

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Speaker 2: people think like just because I'm a stripper that like

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Speaker 2: I don't like have other things going for myself, or

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Speaker 2: like you know, like I'm just getting money and I'm

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Speaker 2: not doing anything with it. Like I'm the I will

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Speaker 2: tell people all the time. I'm the type of person

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get money by any means necessary. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter if it's stripping, it doesn't matter if I gotta

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Speaker 2: sell cookies, it doesn't matter if I gotta give me

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Speaker 2: another part time job, like just to make sure my

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Speaker 2: a stripper that is getting her pH D right now. Okay, So,

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Speaker 2: And you're getting getting higher in clubs? Oh god, I

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and you also funny because I did an

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Speaker 3: I mean, other people do it to us as well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like another thing that I like about your block

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Speaker 3: gliss and glamour exactly. So so let's talk about club owners. Well,

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Speaker 2: To fully support strippers. Yeah, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just as simple as like you see

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Speaker 2: you can't really have that double standard when you're sitting

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Speaker 2: Right Well, I interviewed at escort and she said, ho ckery, yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's like the prot toes look crazy at the n scortes.

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Speaker 3: The nescorts look down on the strippers.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what exactly And yeah, and that's what people don't

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Speaker 2: not going to help us further ourselves in any type

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Speaker 3: So right, how do you feel about the movie Hustlers

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Speaker 2: See, It's like it's very tricky, especially right now. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go see it.

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Speaker 3: I'm only say it too because I want to see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I was doing some research about the producers

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's the ones that's making the voices

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Right? And people are very conflicted

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Speaker 2: what was that Jack the stripper? She is a she

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Speaker 2: is she's a educated. Yeah, she's a dancer, she's well,

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Speaker 2: she is a white woman. She's a dancer, she is

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Speaker 2: a comedian, she makes art. You should really check her

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Speaker 2: for the movie Hustlers, And I think people I have

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Speaker 2: just try to think for myself and just try to

434
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 2: see what I personally feel about the movie. So they'll

435
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 2: see it this week because I'm going to say yes,

436
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 2: I will. I can text you and like, what do

437
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,160
Speaker 2: you think? Yes, you definitely will.

438
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 3: So let's talk about club owners. What are some things

439
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 3: that you noticed that we're unethical against strippers that's being

440
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 3: done by club owners?

441
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 2: Where can I even begin with?

442
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 3: Are there any club owners as women?

443
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: I know of two club owners as women. There's a

444
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 2: club in Hano Lulu called Ballerinas. It's owned by a woman.

445
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 2: And then there's a new club opening up in DC

446
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 2: that's owned by a black woman. The one in Hawaii.

447
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 2: I think she, I forget what her racist, but she

448
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 2: has a woman of color. But yeah, those are the

449
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: only two clubs that I actually know that are owned

450
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 2: by women. I will say the first club that I

451
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: ever worked at, the Gentlemen's Club, our manager was a woman.

452
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 2: So that's what I feel like, really, maybe start to

453
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: feel comfortable as a dancer because she really looked out

454
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 2: for us. I will say that women in the strip

455
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 2: club especially it depends, but a lot of times with management,

456
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: house moms and things like that, they will try to

457
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: look out for you because they have danced before, they

458
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 2: have the bartainers, they've done something inside the strip club

459
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: as a worker, So I feel like that creates an

460
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: environment for them to want to look out for us

461
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: a little.

462
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 3: Bit more So, what are some things that you know

463
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: about the club owners that you felt were a little unethical?

464
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Club owners? They will they will try to take your money.

465
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 2: They will I will say that they will hire they

466
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 2: will have these extremely outrageous high house fees that are

467
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: just like high for no reason, like you know, especially

468
00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: during like during tournaments or anything big that's going on

469
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: in the city, a big event. And oftentimes that's why

470
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: I don't like to travel to work for big events

471
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: like the super Bowl and stuff like that, because by

472
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,239
Speaker 2: the time that you pay for your flight and your

473
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 2: hotel and then you get to the club and want

474
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: to try to work, they try to like charge you

475
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: these like outrageous house fees, like how much girl like

476
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: Depending on what it is like, it could be upwards

477
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: to five hundred or more dollars. I know there was

478
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: a club, yea, yeah, there was one day. Yes, for

479
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: one night, there was a club in New York. I

480
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: remember that Migos was working at one night, or Migos

481
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: was supposed to appear there one night, and they had

482
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: their house fees starting at eight hundred dollars. Oh literally, yeah,

483
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: please exactly what else? They will? They will try to

484
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: find you a lot. Oftentimes club owners will make up

485
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: fines for just any little thing, like you don't have

486
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: your clothing or you don't have our uniforms in a

487
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: in a ziploc bag. That's a thirty dollar fine. You

488
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: don't have like you know, like you don't your your

489
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: hygiene is bad, that's one hundred dollar fine or something

490
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: like that. They will try to find any little thing

491
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: to try to find you for it to make them

492
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: more money.

493
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: And pretty much you're not making no money because you

494
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: give me all your money.

495
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 2: Back to them exactly, you know. So it's like but

496
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like, with these high house feeds,

497
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 2: are you making sure that your girls are earning that money?

498
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean? You can't just make

499
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 2: sure they're safe. Exactly. You can't just be sitting here

500
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: trying to get their money and you're not even providing

501
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: a good work environment for them. You're not even making

502
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: sure money comes into this club. So you know, it's bullshit. Honestly,

503
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: it's bullshit. And a lot of girls are just sick

504
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 2: and tired of it, like, you know, like sick and

505
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: tired of it because it's just ridiculous. And the thing

506
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: is is a lot of these club owners there are men,

507
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 2: so it's like they don't give a fuck because they're

508
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: not you know, they're not getting their boots touched on,

509
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: like you know, they're not getting their pussies rubbed on,

510
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: so they don't.

511
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: Care, right, Like, yeah, I don't know that you said,

512
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: is it is mandatory to house moms?

513
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: What is a house mom?

514
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: For those who doesn't know who what a house mom

515
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: do with her responsibilities?

516
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: So a houseman basically is, well, it doesn't not every

517
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: club will have a house mom, but usually you will

518
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: have a house mom in a club. A house mom

519
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: is just so and that you know, you come in,

520
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: she just has all your supplies, like say, if you

521
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: want some perfume, you know, whatever you need in the

522
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: dressing room, and stuff like that. She just make sure

523
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: that the dressing room is just running, you know how

524
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: it is. She walks around the floor, make sure like

525
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: no one's doing anything that they're not supposed to, things

526
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: of that sort. She collects your she's the one that's

527
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: collecting your tip out most or your your tip out,

528
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: your house feed stuff with Ben, she's the one that's

529
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: usually doing that. So that's about the job of a

530
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: house mom basically. And I know you also put DJs

531
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: and doorman. Yeah, so the DJ, of course, that's kind

532
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: of self explanatory, depending on the club that you work at,

533
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: Like you have the pr music not to play certain music.

534
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: But say, if you want to get on stage at

535
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: a certain time when somebody with a lot of money

536
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: just walked in the door, so you want to get

537
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: on stage or try to get their attention, you gotta

538
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: tip the DJ and then he's gonna try to get

539
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: you on stage or something like that. Say, if you

540
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: tip up a waitress or a doorman and somebody just

541
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: walked in with a lot of money, they'll probably point

542
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: that person in the direction of you. It's not even

543
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: guarantee that that person may even like you, but it's

544
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: like you're tipping the DJ, You're tipping all these people

545
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: just to make sure that they're going to put you

546
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: in the space of some money.

547
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: Basically, Wow, let's talk about mental health. How does being

548
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: in this being in this lifestyle affect your mental health?

549
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: I see it all the time with so many girls

550
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 2: that we just like suffer from burnout, Like you know

551
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like I always say, there's like this

552
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: idea in the striper community that you always have to

553
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: be hustling, you always have to be working. But it's

554
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: like you can't just hustle something off if you're going

555
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: through something, take some time off, Like I'm taking a

556
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 2: week off right now because I've just been, you know,

557
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: going through a lot, Like it's no problem with it.

558
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: But it's like sometimes I feel like because I'm trusting

559
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: like you are, especially it can be in any club.

560
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: But I felt like when I started to get into

561
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: buy clubs, it's like when I started to come into

562
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: contact with more hardcore drugs, just seeing them and just

563
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: like yeah, like I've literally had someone in the club

564
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: hand me crack and cocaine and tell me to sell

565
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: it so he could get me customers. I'm not even joking.

566
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: Literal crack. Okay, I ain't gonna lie.

567
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: When I was in Miami and some girl was talking

568
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: to me and we were just talking, and I was like, yo,

569
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: she is rolling, like I knew yeah so she could

570
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: even Like I was like, what girl, Like she couldn't

571
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: even complete her centenesis.

572
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: It is so common, Like ecstasy is a really a

573
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: really big thing. Like you know, acid is a really

574
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: big thing that's never been it yes, like that, it's

575
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: never been my you know. But I think the easiest

576
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: thing for people to try to like just mask them

577
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: into health with. Of course, it's alcohol, Like you know

578
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: what I mean. I even tell people all the time.

579
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: I've been dealing with alcohol abuse since I was about

580
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: seventeen years old, which is very young. But I went

581
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: to college when I was seventeen. I was just barely

582
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: turned seventeen when I went to college, And you know,

583
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: I went through a lot of depression when I was

584
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: in college, and just drinking and turning up was the

585
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: way that I dealt with my emotions because I never

586
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: really knew how to deal with it right, and I

587
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: never have nobody really talk to you about this exactly.

588
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: So then when I was in the strip club. I mean,

589
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm underage obviously, but in most of these clubs alcohol

590
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: isn't especially depending on where you're working at. When I

591
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: was up in New York, New York City, who do

592
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: you think is about to check somebody's you know, ID

593
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: They don't have time. You have all these people in

594
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: the club. The bartender got to get to the next person.

595
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: So it's really easy for you to be under age

596
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: in the club and just go drive, grab drink, and

597
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: get drunk all night long, like you know what I mean.

598
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: So that's how I see a lot of girls just

599
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: start to max their pain with a lot of these

600
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol, right, And one of the insecurities because

601
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: I can only imagine since you.

602
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Are I mean, I think you're very beautiful, you're nicely

603
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: for tea.

604
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: I can imagine you like being around.

605
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: The other women with these big ass titties and breast

606
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: up ass and stuff, and like, you know, I can

607
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: imagine how that.

608
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Make you feel.

609
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel like you have to compete, you know.

610
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: And this happened to me like a couple months ago,

611
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: earlier this year, Like I was just in such a

612
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: terrible space, like mentally, and it was coming from the club,

613
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: like just a lot of insecurities. I felt like, well,

614
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: if I like you.

615
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: Probably wasn't even insecure exactly.

616
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: And I always say like strictly helped me build my

617
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: confidence a lot. But I was just going through a phase.

618
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: I was just like I'm not making as much money

619
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: because I don't have a fatter butt, so let me

620
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: try to Like I was taking vitamins and stuff seeing

621
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: if I could gain weight, Like I was looking at

622
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: trying to get butt implants. You know, butt shots are

623
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: a big thing. A lot of these celebrities they have

624
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: butt shots. Okay, they don't want to tell you, but

625
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: they do have butt shots. They have work done, you know, right,

626
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: And so like it would just and that was something

627
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: that was contributing to just like mental illness and mental

628
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: health for me, was just like I would just felt

629
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: like it's like now I'm feeling like I don't even

630
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: want to go to the club because now it's like

631
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: I have to compete with all these girls that have

632
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: these better bodies than me. And it literally just made

633
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 2: me just destroy myself in the mirror. So I just

634
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: had to take a step back. I deleted all my

635
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: social media for a couple of months. Like you know,

636
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: I just like really just I took a break from

637
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: the club. I just really had to get my head

638
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: together and just be like you were beautiful, You're strong,

639
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: and no matter what I always tell girls, if one

640
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: person rejects you, one hundred people are gonna love you. Okay,

641
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: just always remember that, like it doesn't it doesn't matter

642
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: because everyone likes something different, like you know, so you

643
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: just really can't. It's it's easy to let it get

644
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: to your head, but you really just have to stay

645
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: strong and not let it get to you, which is

646
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: it is crazy, but yeah, right, no, it's true, it

647
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: really is. Yeah. One thing that I saw on the

648
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: Instagram post and you didn't speak much about it.

649
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: You mentioned that's something traumatic happened to you and it

650
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: was a low point in your life.

651
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: M h what was that? Do you not speaking on it? Oh? No,

652
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: I can't. Basically, I was sexually assaulted by someone that

653
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: was very close to me and it was him and

654
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: his friend, you know, and it just like made me

655
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: that I feel like that is definitely a situation where

656
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: it can make or break someone like you know what

657
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: I meant, And I always told her I had a

658
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: very close friend that I worked with on my escort

659
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: with her, I danced with her and stuff like that,

660
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: and I told her I just never wanted that situation

661
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: that happened to me because I knew I feel like

662
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to handle it, and then it

663
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: ended up happening to me, like you know what I mean,

664
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: And that was just a situation. It just made like

665
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: at the time, I was drinking five out of seven

666
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: days a week, Like you know, I was in the

667
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: strip club heavy, so I was drinking. I was getting

668
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: not even just drinking. I was getting drunk, okay, every

669
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: single like five out of seven days a week, maybe

670
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: six days out of the week sometime, like you know

671
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so it's just like when I

672
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: hit that point, and I just I just hit a

673
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: low point in life with that, and it's just like,

674
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: for some reason, it just made me think like I'm

675
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: I have to get myself together, Like I'm not gonna

676
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: let someone sit here and steal my joy. Like I'm

677
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: not gonna let a man sit here and steal my joy.

678
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let alcohol sit here and steal my joy.

679
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let drugs sit here and steal my joy,

680
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let insecurity steal it. Like I just

681
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: decided at that point, like I'm low, but the only

682
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: place that I can go is up if I just

683
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: take my Yeah, and you know, I got myself help.

684
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: I went to counseling, you know. And I always tell

685
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: people like, don't be afraid to go because it's something there. Yeah, exactly,

686
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: Like even like on the Sopranos, Like I'll be watching

687
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: that and I'd be like, like, that's that's the blueprint

688
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: for everybody. Everyone needs someone to talk to sometimes.

689
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, girl, before I had my interview with you

690
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: earlier today, I had my meeting with my therapy cool

691
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: black lady. Oh man, she got me together. Like I

692
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: was just sitting there just like damn.

693
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think about things that you never really

694
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: thought about in certain girls seriously.

695
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: So I know that before I didn't include this in

696
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: the interview because I wanted to mainly focused on the

697
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: stripping aspect. But I know that you said earlier that

698
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: you were an escort and you did webpam h When

699
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: did you do this? Because I feel and all the reason,

700
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: I feel like you're.

701
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: Just so young. Yeah, I know people are like so

702
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: surprised when I say that. Basically, like camming was something

703
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: I just kind of got into just to get like

704
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: a little extra you know, extra money. It was never

705
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: anything that I was like, you know, like professional at

706
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: And I think when, like I say escorting, people don't

707
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: understand what the word escorting means. Sometimes escorting doesn't necessarily

708
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: mean like you have to have sex with someone, you know,

709
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: Escorting means you were being compensated for giving time to someone.

710
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: So I can go into the strip club, I can

711
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: meet a man tonight and he says, oh, you want

712
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: to go out to lunch tomorrow. That's an escort date

713
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: to me, like you know what I mean. So that

714
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: can be like any time that if I choose to

715
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: have sex with him for money, then that's what's a

716
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: part of that time. If I choose that I just

717
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: want to go out to dinner with this person, then

718
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: that's a part of that escort date, like you know

719
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: what I mean. So escorting for me is like something

720
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: that's been happening, you know, just throughout my you know,

721
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: super career. Some people they do escorting this full time.

722
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Whatever that may entail within their you know, within their

723
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: escorting business. So yeah, right, Okay, So I'm like, girl,

724
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: you you're not playing no game for real. But listen,

725
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: I can't not the hustle. So how are you dealing?

726
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: How are you doing not with your mental health? I

727
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: feel like I'm just so much better now. I just

728
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: look at life and just certain different ways. Like I

729
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: always say, like, I just have to find something every

730
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: single day that's just gonna make me want to get

731
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: through the day. Like you know what I mean, I

732
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: have to find the positive and everything. I always go

733
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: by the scenario the Yennying, like there's good and the bad,

734
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: and bad and the good. You just always got to

735
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: find good and bad. That's how I just personally just

736
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: live my life and it's what keeps me together. Everyone

737
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: has their different things that they can do to keep

738
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: themselves upbeat, but that's just what I do.

739
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: Another thing that you mentioned, it was about financial freedom.

740
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: I mean, girls that strip runs into so much money,

741
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: they don't really say that was me. So why do

742
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: you emphasize the importance of.

743
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: It because stripping is like it's just one job that

744
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 2: you can get caught in a cycle very easily. And

745
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: I see it with so many women in the strip

746
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: club that are older and they always tell me, save

747
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: your money, have a plan. Don't come in here without

748
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: a plan, like I have a strip of moms. She

749
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: moved to Miami, but yeah, she always told me. Whenever

750
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: she would see me, she would say, where's your planet?

751
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: Because don't get stuck in here like these other girls do.

752
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: You make a lot of money one night and then

753
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: you go and bloat on all these handbags, and then

754
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: you come back when your broke. So people get stuck

755
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: in that cycle. You see so many dancers get stuck

756
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 2: in that cycle. And that's even I was reading up

757
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: on hustlers and one of the girls that the movie

758
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: is based off of, she said she really got stuck

759
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: in that cycle, which is why she kept going back

760
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: and scamming these men. And it's really the reality for

761
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: so many people in the sex or community. They just

762
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: get stuck in this cycle of Okay, I got a

763
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: lot of money and I spent it all, so let

764
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: me go get more money. Then I got the money again,

765
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: spent it all, let me go back and get it again.

766
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: So would you say you're become addicted to it? You do,

767
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: like I do, feel like money is an addiction. Like

768
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, I've seen it like people can be addicted

769
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: to different things. People can be addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling,

770
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: people can be addicted to love, like you know what

771
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: I mean. So people can be addicted to making money

772
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: and making fast money. It's no different. I always say,

773
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: stripping money to me is just like making dope money,

774
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. Like I feel like

775
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: dope boys are addicted to making money too. So yeah, right.

776
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: Another thing that you.

777
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: Mentioned was black men in this industry, and I couldn't

778
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 3: agree with you more. Yes, you mentioned how black men

779
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: are love to control how black women are being portrayed

780
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: and love the hyper sexualized black women.

781
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: What did you mean by that? Oh God, where can

782
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: I even get into this with the love trying it? Yes,

783
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: And I heard a lot of feelings when I call

784
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: black men out on this because I happened to do

785
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: it a lot. So I just remember growing up watching

786
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: be et and you know all, yes, all you would

787
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: see on TV. Of course, the the Nelly Tip Drill video.

788
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: I remember that growing up. You see just women being

789
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: portrayed by men as as they're showing their asses, you

790
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: know what I mean, They're showing stripper you know, of course,

791
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: strip club Coach in early two thousands or something that

792
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: was very big, especially merging with rap music. So these

793
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: men are portraying women as, oh they're strippers, they got

794
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: their asset out there, this, that, and the third. But

795
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: then it's like it's not showing, oh, well, how does

796
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: this woman benefit from this. It's only showing how the

797
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: man benefits from it, for you know what I mean.

798
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: So it's like, now we're coming into an era of

799
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: wrap where we have people like the City Girls, Megan,

800
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: thee Stallion, people like that, and these women are telling

801
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: telling men, well, this is how I benefit from it.

802
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Not that we haven't had women that have done this before,

803
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: such as like Treeting or somebody like that. They have

804
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: done that, but I feel like now because it's coming

805
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: down to a younger generation. Of course, social media it

806
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: just makes you so like you can access anything through

807
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: the internet these days, like you know what, I'm sure.

808
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: So it's like now women are telling men, well, this

809
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: is how I'm benefiting from it, you know what I mean,

810
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: Like you know, I don't really need you, I just

811
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: want you for your dick, like you know what I mean.

812
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: So that and now men are offended by it. But

813
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: for so long. Y'all were telling us, well, I'm only

814
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: I only want you for some pussy, so's yeah, what's

815
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: the double standard there? Like? You know right right?

816
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: And I know you thought you call up a video

817
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: with snow Dog and he was talking about how women

818
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: don't need to be having as.

819
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, but stripped a snoop Dog was the main one

820
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: that was to drop it like it was hot. So right,

821
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: So exactly what are some life lessons you learn from stripping?

822
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Of course, to save your money? I feel like to

823
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: set boundaries with people, like, no matter what what area

824
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: of your life that it is, no matter if it's

825
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: stripping your personal life or whatever. If you don't want

826
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: someone to do something, if someone makes you uncomfortable by

827
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: doing something, say it, you know what I mean, don't

828
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: be afraid to say it. Don't let anyone in this

829
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: world to get advantage of you because people will try you. Okay,

830
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: you can be as nice as you want, but people

831
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: will always try you. So definitely to set boundaries with everyone.

832
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: You know, I've definitely learned to just be confident in yourself.

833
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: I've learned to, you know, just try to help. I

834
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: feel like I always want to help other women out

835
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: now because I feel like men you will look at

836
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: men in a completely different life as a stripper or

837
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: as a sex worker, just in general, because men will

838
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: really just try to finish you. They will try to

839
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: take advantage of you. And even though these tricks come

840
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: in to the strip club, they see you as they

841
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: some of them really still see you as being nothing

842
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: but a stripper. They see you as being less than

843
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: a regular woman, like you know what I mean, So

844
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: good exactly, And so that's why I feel like a

845
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: lot of strippers we do try to come together and

846
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: just bond together because we do have this special bond

847
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: because so much of the world seeks as being less

848
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: than or you know, being less than just the average woman.

849
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: We always feel they need to just try to just

850
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: be together and just lift each other and things like that.

851
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: So it's really taught me self love for every woman

852
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: in this world, even the women that look down on

853
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: me and tell me that I don't deserve a man

854
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: because I shake my asks for money. I don't care,

855
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm never gonna hate on the

856
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: next woman's hustle. You know, whatever you want to say

857
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: about me, that's cool, you know what I mean? I

858
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: really don't get a fuck with you, but you know,

859
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: I'm not going to deny your rights as a woman.

860
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: So a lot of.

861
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: People, look, a lot of people judge people because of

862
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: what they fear.

863
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't want to say that like

864
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: oh that they these women just want to be me

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Speaker 2: or something like that, because not every woman wants to

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Speaker 2: be a stripper, and stripping really isn't it for everyone

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But I do feel like it

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Speaker 2: comes from like like just Indie or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I have seen a lot of that, like Rose just

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Speaker 2: hate because they think like, oh, like you know, she

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Speaker 2: makes a lot of money or something like that. Girl,

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: they're nice that you will go in the strip club

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Speaker 2: and walk out with thirty dollars. Okay, it just me

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Speaker 2: like that, so you know, Yeah, it's crazy though. And

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Speaker 2: last and at least, what's next after stripping? After stripping?

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Speaker 2: And how long do you see yourself doing this? Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I always say, it attends like

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00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, I said until I was twenty one, but

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00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: that's gonna be very close. Yeah, I'll be twenty one

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Speaker 2: before I even know it. I would say, I don't

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00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: really want to strip past the time that I am thirty,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I will be able to save enough

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Speaker 2: money by that time, you know, to just be where

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Speaker 2: I you know, what I want to do. I actually

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Speaker 2: when I was in school, I was majoring an entrepreneurship.

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to be a business owner.

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Speaker 3: I always I am entrepreneurship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always knew I didn't want to work for nobody,

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: Like you know, I hate it where I instill. I

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: don't like me too, me to girl. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of the thing that a lot of people don't know

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: about me is I'm really interested in makeup. I've been

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Speaker 2: doing makeup since I was about like thirteen or fourteen,

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Speaker 2: So that's really what I want to go into. But

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that I have to like lose myself

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: or lose like my advocacy that I want to do

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Speaker 2: as a stripper just to like go into a different world,

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Speaker 2: like you know, raising awareness for sex, the sexual community

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. That's something that I will always

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Speaker 2: be passionate about. It's something that I'm always going to

901
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: do because if nobody else is going to say, I'm

902
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: going to say it, like you know what I mean,

903
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to shape the table if nothing else.

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Speaker 2: So I never want to lose that part of me

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Speaker 2: just because I want to go and do something else.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, right, I mean it's a part of you.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you would ever lose it. I think

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Speaker 3: the main reason why because you are so young. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I know all of my guests are anonymous, but

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Speaker 3: if anybody want to read her blog, please make sure

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Speaker 3: to email me.

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Speaker 2: At hello at the Professional Homegirl dot com.

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Speaker 3: But your blog is really good, Like you're really right.

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Speaker 3: So it's just like stripping is a part of you.

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Speaker 3: It's what you do, but it's not who you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you know.

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Speaker 3: So, But I think this was a great interview. I

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Speaker 3: will be checking up on you, and then you have

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Speaker 3: to go see Houseless this week.

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Speaker 2: Yes I will.

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Speaker 3: And if you have any comments, questions, or concerns or

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Speaker 3: anything for my guests, like I said, please email me

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Speaker 3: at hello at the Professional Homegirl dot com.

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Speaker 2: And until next time, guys later.

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