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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this edition of Phishology. As always,

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Speaker 1: here in Phishology, like they go in depth analysis on

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Speaker 1: advanced stats and metrics that you will not find anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: Dedicated to the Miami Marlins. As always, I am Daniel,

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Speaker 1: You're a host NAM, joined by two esteem colleagues as always,

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Speaker 1: mister Eli Sussman mister lewis HEDEO wise, how you guys

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Speaker 1: feeling for this episode.

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Speaker 2: We are at the end of by far, the most satisfying,

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Speaker 2: thrilling month of this Marlin's offseason. And yeah, so I've

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Speaker 2: been begging for this for a while to finally get

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Speaker 2: a clearer look at how this team comes together. And

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Speaker 2: as we are kind of creeping up one spring training,

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Speaker 2: we've got a very clear idea so we could go

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Speaker 2: into these final few moves about how these pieces fit

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Speaker 2: together heading into twenty twenty three. Fired Up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that narrative has definitely shifted. I think

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Speaker 3: we can all agree that where the Marlins were two

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Speaker 3: months ago, relative to the moves they made and the

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Speaker 3: pushback from a fan base that they weren't really doing

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Speaker 3: anything that, like Eli kind of prefaced, this last month

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Speaker 3: has been dizzy, busy, busy, and I definitely think Sherman

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Speaker 3: and Kim were wright when they said that the roster

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Speaker 3: would look a little bit different on opening day. But

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to look a lot different with

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that the team will look different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and really quickly before we really get into any

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Speaker 1: of the topics, I'm announced the other day Jazz being

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Speaker 1: the cover of MLB the Show twenty three. How do

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Speaker 1: you guys feel about that? Having that noiiety to the

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Speaker 1: all over the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, lu should get into the analytical side of it

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Speaker 2: and start with the criticism. I think he's kind of

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Speaker 2: well deserved about just how his resume is a lot

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Speaker 2: shorter as a major league player compared to guys that

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Speaker 2: typically get on the cover MLB. The show has been

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Speaker 2: it's usually a raigning MVP or somebody that's a very

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Speaker 2: the last few years show Hail Tani, Fernando Tatis Junior

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Speaker 2: they obviously made this decision before the position switch, for

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Speaker 2: that adds even more uncertainty as to exactly what he's

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Speaker 2: into his force of his personality, and that's something that's

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Speaker 1: And I was a static. I couldn't like stop smiling,

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Speaker 1: So it's been a crazy couple of months.

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Speaker 2: So he's somebody that I'd be fascinated to see a

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Speaker 2: I'd be fascinating to see the numbers on the other

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Speaker 2: it sells more copies than ever.

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Speaker 1: Lewis, how do you feel. I know if it is

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Speaker 1: an analytical or stat or anything, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal for the organization and for Jazz

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Speaker 3: That, David Wright too, if you really want to go

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Speaker 3: But he is somebody that you can mark around. Like

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Speaker 3: That being said, you know, he could come out and have,

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Speaker 3: It kind of just reiterates to let the kids play

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Speaker 2: When I was a little kid, we ran sandloud games

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Speaker 4: We played to play for the Marlins.

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Speaker 3: I think it gives them some nice, some nice and

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Speaker 3: But you know, Jazz is exciting because you know there's

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Speaker 1: And on topic of Jazz, as you mentioned that there

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Speaker 2: This is entirely new for him. One comp that comes

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Speaker 2: With Jazz, the upside is a little bit higher even

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Speaker 3: So a name that I actually just came to the

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Speaker 3: I believe that Jazz has the potential to be a better,

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Speaker 3: I think BJ Upton is probably the most apt comparison. Uh.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I am shocked to see that Boston

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Speaker 3: We spoke to him on his introductory press conference and

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Speaker 3: But Barnes is Yeah, I mean, I definitely think Blier

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Speaker 3: And I also want to use this as an opportunity

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Speaker 4: But yeah, back to Barnes.

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Speaker 3: I think Barnes' biggest skill set is, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start with where Lewis finished there, what he

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of risk here. He kind of acknowledged

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Speaker 2: I think the circumstances of this trade should temper expectations.

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Speaker 1: If his I believe he has a club option for

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Speaker 2: I do think I'll just reinforce again that I think

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Speaker 2: isn't that bad. It would just be kind of uncharted

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Speaker 2: territory for this front office. This front office with the

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Speaker 2: Marlins in recent years, has as far as possible to

437
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Speaker 2: not invest at all in their bullpen. They just don't

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Speaker 2: believe in alec cord aloclading resources toward proven veteran believers,

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Speaker 2: So it'd be at a character to pick that up.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I think the position

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Speaker 2: that they were in that this is a better fit

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Speaker 2: than Blaier was moving forward, and so I think the

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Speaker 2: question the rest of this offseason is potentially whether they

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Speaker 2: pick up one more arm like this. There's a few

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Speaker 2: still left in free agency. I think that's more likely

446
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Speaker 2: than trade. I don't think I'm alone in saying that

447
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Speaker 2: they could use one more pitcher kind of with this

448
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Speaker 2: type of upside to really make you feel confident in

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Speaker 2: the unit as a whole.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked they haven't taken a shot on Andrew Chathan

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Speaker 3: and I talked about him in our off season shopping series.

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Speaker 3: The guy's been nothing but consistent in the past couple

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Speaker 3: of years. I believe the opted out of his deal

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Speaker 3: with Detroit after another relatively solid season. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: a soft tossing lefty relative to but he gives you

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Speaker 3: a contrast to Steven Oker, who, as you talked about

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Speaker 3: relievers that currently kind of coexist now with Barnes on

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Speaker 3: this roster that have suspect control. Chafin's one of those

459
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Speaker 3: guys who is good at just placing them. He's very

460
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Speaker 3: good at locating his stuff. He's got very good command

461
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Speaker 3: of his stuff. He doesn't throw all that hard, so

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Speaker 3: he's able to do.

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Speaker 1: What he can.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure his price tag has fallen after maybe

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Speaker 3: not getting the offers that he thought he would. At

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Speaker 3: the outset of this offseason, somebody I think Miami could

467
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Speaker 3: definitely use gives them a different look than that bullpen too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm still I mean, even with the additional Barnes, I

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Speaker 3: would still say that there's a level of concern with

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Speaker 3: the overall effectiveness that this bulpen will have at some

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Speaker 3: point in twenty twenty three. But I definitely think he's

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Speaker 3: a marginal upgrade as was Jean Segirl when the Marlins

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Speaker 3: signed to play third base. I think, you know, Barnes

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Speaker 3: presents that, but the peripherals say that he's going to

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Speaker 3: be much better. And you know, I think the Marlins

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Speaker 3: have maybe become the modern day Pittsburgh Pirates, who at

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Speaker 3: the start of the twenty tens when they had Ray

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Speaker 3: Sierridge and they were kind of just able to rehab

479
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Speaker 3: guys Atison Vocez, Francisco Ariano jy hap, they just kind

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Speaker 3: of fix guys they fixed, Okre, I mean, you want

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Speaker 3: to go back a decade. They fixed Chad Qualls for

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Speaker 3: a little bit. So the Marlins, Yeah, they with Stottameyer,

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Speaker 3: you know, now locked.

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Speaker 4: Up long term. You know, new manager and everything.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, this is a good situation for Barnes,

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Speaker 3: who also makes his home in Fort Myers. It'll it'll

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Speaker 3: make for I think it'll make for a nice pairing.

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Speaker 3: And you know, whether or not he even lasts the

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Speaker 3: season with the team remains to be seen. But if

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Speaker 3: they can fix him, I mean, that's just a that's

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Speaker 3: just another feather in the team's cap to what they've

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Speaker 3: done on the pitching side of things.

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Speaker 4: Like you attested to Eli.

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Speaker 1: So you guys think, let's say he has a first

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Speaker 1: half this season like he had in the second half

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Speaker 1: of last season. Could he even be a trade candidate

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Speaker 1: because you mentioned they don't want to pay these relievers,

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Speaker 1: especially an eight million dollars potentially plus price tag. Could

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Speaker 1: they flip him for something at the deadline? Is that

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Speaker 1: even a possibility?

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Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, relievers are made to be traded,

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Speaker 2: especially veteran relievers. That that's a reality that he has

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Speaker 2: to deal with at this stage of his career. It's

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Speaker 2: always going to be short term contracts and that the

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Speaker 2: team itself is not competitive or not close enough to

506
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Speaker 2: being competitive, or if they just feel super confident in

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Speaker 2: all these other young relievers that are all the forty

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Speaker 2: man roster. It's a weird roster composition with Marlon see

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Speaker 2: where they've allocated a lot of spots on their forty

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Speaker 2: man so guys that are relief only types. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know how to feel about it exactly, but it

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Speaker 2: means that even the veteran guys like Barns, like Dylan Floro,

513
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Speaker 2: and even the ones going year to year in arbitration

514
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Speaker 2: like Tanner Scott, nobody is completely safe, especially if the

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Speaker 2: team is disappointing again for like a third straight year.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with the context

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Speaker 2: of the team as a whole, and they bring this

518
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Speaker 2: guy in because of the upside, because he's one of

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Speaker 2: the few relievers that they could obtain that maybe does

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Speaker 2: at least in terms of win probability added if they

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Speaker 2: put him in the right spots, and it comes through

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Speaker 2: in those situations like that's a guy that could swing

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Speaker 2: multiple games even within one half of one season if

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Speaker 2: he's thriving in those high leverage situations, and that's the

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Speaker 2: difference you need if you're a team with slightly below

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Speaker 2: average talent overall. That's difference between being where they were

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Speaker 2: exactly last year at the trade deadline and being a

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Speaker 2: team that could be standing pad or buying at this deadline.

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Speaker 2: You want to shoot for volatility if your organization in

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Speaker 2: the Marlins position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we go from that acquisition of Matt Barnes

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Speaker 1: and in Richard Bleier to probably the biggest one this

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Speaker 1: offseason that we still have yet to talk about here

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Speaker 1: on Phisiology, and that is the Pablo Lopez for Luis

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Speaker 1: Arayas trade involving Jose Salas and Byron Curio, one of

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Speaker 1: his biggest trades and Marlins have made in a recent time,

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Speaker 1: getting the batting tamp, silver Slugger, all that from the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins. Lewis, talk to me, what do Marlon's fans

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Speaker 1: what should we expect from Ariah Is coming into this

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Speaker 1: season and a new ballpark, new team.

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Speaker 3: Well, historically, I think if you look at park factors,

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Speaker 3: you'll see that there's not that much of a difference

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Speaker 3: in terms of perspective on ballparks from target Field to

544
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Speaker 3: Lone Depot. They're relatively pitcher friendly. But Arise is kind

545
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Speaker 3: of just one of those guys that Eli kind of

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Speaker 3: stated on Grant's State of the Fish spaces on Twitter yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You can bet on him being consistent. I think Ben

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Speaker 3: Clemons of Fangraft said it best too, though I think

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Speaker 3: his words of age a little poorly. As we've a

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Speaker 3: lot of us have seen to come around on this trade.

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Speaker 3: Given what Miami initially gave up. I think they went

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Speaker 3: out and they acquired batting average, they didn't acquire a

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Speaker 3: premium defender. And he's going to be playing a position

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Speaker 3: that generally most he may not be the most adept at,

555
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Speaker 3: but you know, you're kind of just foregoing that in

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Speaker 3: a Josel two day lightway where you're just gonna sacrifice

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Speaker 3: the defense for the bat and I think that's what

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get. And plus, you know, for a lineup

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Speaker 3: that struck out as much as it did and is

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Speaker 3: going to hoist guys like a so Layer, a God

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Speaker 3: even Jazz two points obviously al Garcia to a lighters

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Speaker 3: think Gary Cooper, Guys that you know you may see

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Speaker 3: strikeout one hundred plus times a season, though that's not

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Speaker 3: that foreign a concept, now it's good to get guys

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Speaker 3: like a Sigura and now an Arise who can and

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Speaker 3: have the aptitude to put the ball in play. And

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Speaker 3: that's something that I think that you like and you

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Speaker 3: like the fact that he is an aggressive hit or

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Speaker 3: I compared him and and it's maybe hyperbole to a

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Speaker 3: young Tony Gwynn because there's splits very early in their

571
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Speaker 3: career are incredibly similar, you know, as far as Ops

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Speaker 3: goes batting average all, you know, kind of like the

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Speaker 3: things from a triple slash line perspective, you kind of say,

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Speaker 3: slightly similar player. I think a Rise is going to

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Speaker 3: be it'll it's kind of like when they acquire Dee Gordon.

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Speaker 3: You know, a guy who is he not in a

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Speaker 3: speed sense, but he kind of just has a knack

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Speaker 3: for finding holes getting on base, being the aggressive hitter

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Speaker 3: that he is, and you know, finding the holes that

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Speaker 3: he does. I think, you know it's he's going to

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Speaker 3: be welcome and I think he'll definitely be a fan

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Speaker 3: favorite here because he's given us very little to think

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Speaker 3: that he won't produce in Miami. You're not going to

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Speaker 3: get power, but you're gonna get consistent contact and you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get, you know, betting averages flirting around three hundred

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Speaker 3: on a consistent basis, and I think that's what the

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Speaker 3: Marlins went and did here. As far as what they

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Speaker 3: gave up, I'll leave that to Eli before I interject,

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Speaker 3: you know, as to whether or not they overpaid, I

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Speaker 3: think the more this kind of develops itself, and Eli

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Speaker 3: made a good point, you really need to evaluate where

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Speaker 3: you're acquiring. In this case, what we feel is a

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Speaker 3: markedukey player for premium talent that could manifest itself in

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Speaker 3: the future. You kind of have to wait a couple

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Speaker 3: of years and see how this plays out. Give a

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Speaker 3: Rise the three years in Miami that he has under

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Speaker 3: club control, and give you know, Pablo Lopez his time

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, and the prospects to further develop for us

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Speaker 3: to really come to a conclusion as to who really

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Speaker 3: won this trade. But Eli, I want to leave that

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Speaker 3: to you because I feel like you can provide some

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Speaker 3: additional innsign on that that our users may find valuable.

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Speaker 4: Our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Apologies, this feels a little bit premature, but almost as

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Speaker 2: soon as they required a rise, Jeff McNeil signed an

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Speaker 2: extension with the Mets and McNeil is one of the

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Speaker 2: few active players that is pretty comparable to Arise in

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Speaker 2: terms of what they do offensively. It's not hard quality

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Speaker 2: of contact especially, but it's probably harder than you think

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Speaker 2: it is. And the key is just so many line drives.

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Speaker 2: He's somebody that you just do not shift to against,

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Speaker 2: even when you were allowed to do so, and it

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Speaker 2: didn't matter because he's not a He probably gets a

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Speaker 2: misconception as being like this ground ball hit him where

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Speaker 2: they ain't, but he's really just an absolute master of

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Speaker 2: the craft of finding those gaps between the outfielders and

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Speaker 2: the infielders and hitting those line drives mostly for singles

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Speaker 2: at a rate that is as good as anybody in

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Speaker 2: the game, which just goes through his batting average. He

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Speaker 2: is he has solved as much as you can defensive

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Speaker 2: alignment and finding those holes. And the key is the

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Speaker 2: line drives. The thirty percent line drive rate, whereas the

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Speaker 2: MLB average is like twenty five percent. And the reason

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Speaker 2: why he's able to get pitches to hit line drives

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Speaker 2: is because he does not swing and miss. He has

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Speaker 2: a contact percentage every year right around ninety percent. It

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Speaker 2: was at like ninety three percent last year, just so

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Speaker 2: everyone's clear. That means when he swings the bat, ninety

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Speaker 2: three percent of the time there's some sort of contact made,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a ball and play or a foul ball,

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Speaker 2: and the league average is like three quarters, like seventy five.

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Speaker 2: It is a huge difference that you'll notice immediately when

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Speaker 2: he doesn't get balls to hit, he fouls the ball off.

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Speaker 2: He works deep, counts more than four pitches per plate

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Speaker 2: appearance in the league average like three point nine, and

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Speaker 2: he usually takes the first pitch of his at bats

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Speaker 2: as well. It's it's it's somebody that just has this

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Speaker 2: very particular style that I don't see aging poorly anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I brought up McNeil. Where a big

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Speaker 2: factor in assessing this deal is on one hand, seeing

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Speaker 2: how Pablo progresses with the twins, whether it's possible that

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Speaker 2: he has his best seasons yet still ahead of him

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Speaker 2: and the entire careers of Hose Salas and Byron Tchurio

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Speaker 2: are still ahead of them. But you know that's not

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Speaker 2: doesn't really matter as much if arises a long term

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Speaker 2: piece of this marl and see he has three years

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Speaker 2: of club control remaining and the McNeil extension sets a

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Speaker 2: precedent for adding on a couple extra years of control

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Speaker 2: while only spending maybe ten eleven twelve million per year

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: on an annual basis for a player like this that

651
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: is in the context of Major League Baseball right now,

652
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: to get an every day, a very good, everyday caliber

653
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: player long term for that type of price would be

654
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: an absolute steal. With him. He is such a safe player,

655
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: and he's the reason why the Marlins targeted him in

656
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: particular is because the floor is so high. He is

657
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: just doing his thing. He is dancing to the beat

658
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: of his own drum. He is playing in his own league.

659
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter what anybody else does, because he

660
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: is so skilled at making contact and at making contact

661
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: at the particular angle off the bat that it's so

662
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: hard to defend that he's going to be a big

663
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: asset to this offense. There are the limitations you mentioned already,

664
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: as well as the limitations as a base runner, some

665
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: concerns about his durability as somebody who has had several

666
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: knee issues and leg issues during his career, even a

667
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: torn acl going all the way back to the miners.

668
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: As with anybody, availability is the most important thing, and

669
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: he's not a lock to be available, even as somebody

670
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: that is still so relatively young entering his age twenty

671
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: six season. So I understand the deal. Yeah, My big

672
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: issue was just looking at the total value that they

673
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: gave up and understanding that this is not a contender yet.

674
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: Somebody like a host A Salas could have been a

675
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: big piece of another deal to address another need for

676
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: a team that is still more than one piece away

677
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: from being a true contender, especially in their current division.

678
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: That was my main issue with what they did here

679
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: is that they by standing firmer to what would have

680
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: been a fair market value to acquire a Rise, they'd

681
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: leave themselves in position to make other subsequent moves to

682
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: put this whole team together. So I'm still in that

683
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: position where I'm not going to back off of that stance,

684
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: and I still had my concerns about how this whole

685
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: team comes together. This guy is still going to be

686
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: extremely compelling to watch, and I think he's just a

687
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: very safe player. This is a team, this is a franchise,

688
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: especially as we saw this past offseason where they've made

689
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: big splashes and those splashes have not moved the needle whatsoever.

690
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: In a couple of cases that's beending going either way

691
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: to acquire players that actually become net negatives and make

692
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: the team worse. And with a Rise, that's where he

693
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: I feel is so much different than these other veteran acquisitions,

694
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: is that no matter what, he's going to make the

695
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: team better. He is that safe. I'm going to put

696
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: it on him to I can guarantee it that this

697
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: offense is going to be better this upcoming season and

698
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: that a Rise is going to be a big part

699
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: of it.

700
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And with the Rise, I'm just looking up some

701
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: of the stats. Just someone that doesn't strike out. You

702
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: look at last season fifty walks to only forty three strikeouts,

703
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that the Marlins desperately needed.

704
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Someone who's not going to strike out, someone who can

705
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: get on base walk Well, we've seen the struggles with

706
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Jazz his strikeouts, so layer guys like that who strike

707
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: out maybe a bit too much. It's good to have

708
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: someone like Areas who definitely probably be leadoff man just

709
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: getting out of base setting the tone for everyone else.

710
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: And Lewis, I want to get your opinion on just

711
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: how Arise impacts maybe the offense aside from his batting average,

712
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: just talk to me how he also impacts that offense. Well.

713
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 3: I definitely think he's going to create more run scoring opportunities.

714
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you insert a three seventy five on

715
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: base I believe he had three seventy four last year

716
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: into your lineup or something close to that. You know,

717
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: inherently you think that the team is going to do

718
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: better by effect. It's just a cause and effect kind

719
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: of thing, you know, just the ability to constantly make

720
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: more happen and the shit and the you know, the

721
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: changes in the shift. I won't get too much into that,

722
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: but I do think that obviously positioning being limited now

723
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: as far as how teams can manage their defenses, will

724
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: I think help him too, because I think teams who

725
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: are able to fake defenders who are otherwise not great

726
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: at certain positions but were able to perform better relative

727
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: to what shifts allowed them to do. I think that

728
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: will definitely help Arise because I think it'll expose some

729
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: worse defenders on the opposite end of the spectrum.

730
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: And again it may expose.

731
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: Him too, But I definitely think that he will help

732
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: produce more runs for the Marlins.

733
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: Then say, you know, John.

734
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: Bardy would have given he was playing on an extended basis,

735
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: and we saw what that looked like. Though he added

736
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: his own flashes of production. But I think a Rise

737
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: in his own right is, yeah, he's just gonna make

738
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: that team a whole lot better.

739
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 4: You know, him and Segura are gonna give that.

740
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna definitely take away from that one dimensional dynamic

741
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: of the Marlins, where it's like they have guys who

742
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: can hit for a little bit of power, but they

743
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: just don't have the most discipline of hitters. And now,

744
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: you know, a Rise, though he is a little he's aggressive.

745
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: He's aggressive to an extent like he had noted with

746
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: his contact right, it works like he you know, he

747
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: he just has a knack for putting back to the

748
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: ball and that's something that is so hard to find

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: nowadays when everybody is so focused on kind of like

750
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: just launch angle and you know, kind of trying to

751
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: hit the ball as far and as high as you

752
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: possibly can and attempts to hit home runs. I think he,

753
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of playing out of the era.

754
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: I feel like this is like Juan Pierre or Louis

755
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: Castillo transposed to you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years later,

756
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: where it's like that skill set it's not as you know,

757
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: not going as strong as it was, you know, back

758
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: in the days of like Kenny Laughton, you know, the

759
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: two names that I mentioned prior. But Arise is kind

760
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: of Hallmark. He's a guy playing in the wrong period,

761
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: but he's and he's thriving doing it. So yeah, I

762
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: definitely think he makes the team better. How how much

763
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: better it remains to be seen. It's you know, the

764
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: Marlins didn't necessarily do all that great with runners scoring position.

765
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: He's going to be a guy who's gonna get on

766
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: base a lot, so they you know, he'll be a

767
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: table setter.

768
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: And I think that's his job.

769
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: He's not going to be expected to drive in one

770
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: hundred runs, but the guys who maybe have have the

771
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: potential to do that may be tasked with more because

772
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: he's going to provide.

773
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: Them more opportunities to drive men in. And again, we'll

774
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 4: see how that manifests itself.

775
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: But I'm you know, I'm incredibly excited to see what

776
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: a full season of him in Miami looks like.

777
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on the last topic of discussion, keeping with

778
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: arias I want to get where he's also with this

779
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: team defensively as he's coming in. Kim announced that he's

780
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: going to be the starting second basement, Jazz going to center,

781
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: looks like Garrett Cooper is going to be first, and

782
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: then Wende short Sigura at their For Ariahs last season,

783
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: he played sixty sixty five games at first, but in

784
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: his entire career, the most amount of appearances he has

785
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: is won sixty nine at second base and then seventy

786
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: nine appearances in third base. Whoever wants to tackle this first,

787
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: Eli Lewis, how do you feel like his defensive metrics

788
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: are really compared to him in Miami? And Howard looks

789
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: like he will fare defensively in second base? Maybe him

790
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: compared to Jazz even like was that the right decision

791
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: to have him at second and not first and move

792
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: Jazz or everything? Just how Ariahs impacts the team defensively.

793
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: It's an interesting stylistic contrast between Ariz and Jazz, Like

794
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: Arise is a very vanilla defender. The athleticism difference between

795
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: him the Jazz is night and day between the two,

796
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: and I think overall, Jazz is still the better option.

797
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: There to give it short, I'm still wondering whether the

798
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: optimal defensive arrangement would be having Sigura at second and

799
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: having Arise at third, where you mentioned he still has

800
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: some experience. Because Sigura is the one I think we've

801
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: covered this in a previous episode. He's the one that

802
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: he has a potential plus defensive second base when he's

803
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: playing second days about as well as he ever had

804
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 2: this past season with the Phillies. Even though he's older

805
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: than Arise, He's he is the more well rounded, the

806
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: more his his mechanics as a second baseman are smoother.

807
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: He checks boxes in a greater variety of aspects of defense,

808
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: but in terms of his turning double plays, in terms

809
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: of applying tags, all those little things that add up,

810
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: and even his his his athletics, as I said, it's

811
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: still a little bit better than Arises is. So I'll

812
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: stop there. I don't think a Rise is going to

813
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: really hurt them that much at seconds. One question is

814
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: physically whether he's able to hold up at playing second

815
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: every day or whether he'll need occasional first base and

816
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: DH time no matter what. And I know what they're

817
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: doing with Segura and allowing his good arm to play

818
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: at third base. I don't think there's not a perfect solution.

819
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the way that they mushed this together to

820
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: get as much offense as possible onto the team is

821
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: there's no ideal solution. But yeah, I'm kind of I'm

822
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: questioning exactly what they're what they're doing, like I think,

823
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: because Ariz is not going to hurt you there. If

824
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: he's comfortable there, I guess that's great. I think this

825
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: is going to My prediction is that this alignment is

826
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: going to get scrambled pretty early on in the season,

827
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: and that ultimately that's why they got these guys in

828
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: the first place, is because they can move around a

829
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: little bit to make it work and address whatever needs

830
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: that the roster has at a particular time.

831
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, you know, Arise playing a lot

832
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: of first base, which I think will only increase his value,

833
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: even if you're he's not an excellent defender at either

834
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: one of the three positions he's gonna primarily man will

835
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: only make him more valuable in the short term. Uh,

836
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: and and not even too like you know, he'd have

837
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: to play first base because we know the concerns with

838
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 3: Cooper and his durability. I was just looking at Arise

839
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: as like shift data as a second baseman, and he

840
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: tends to play closer to the bag than a lot

841
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: of other second basemen that I've seen. I don't know

842
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: with the shift bans how that's going to affect his defense.

843
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 4: He's kind of been.

844
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: About an average second baseman when it comes to out

845
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: above average and you know, slightly below average on a

846
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: first base side of things. But yeah, I mean, I

847
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: think definitely you'll see sometimes in the season where you know,

848
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: Wendel's gonna play second and Segura is going to move

849
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: to second, and there's just going to be a shuffling

850
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: of things. We may even see Segura play some shortstop,

851
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: a rise will have to move around to facilitate Cooper's

852
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: rest days, et.

853
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 4: Cetera, et cetera.

854
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, the one glimpse of hope

855
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: that I do have, and I think Jazz maybe did

856
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: a little bit better with this as far as defensive

857
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: metrics go. Because of the kind of athlete he is,

858
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: Jazz is known not to have the strongest arm. I

859
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: believe a couple of years ago he was in about

860
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth percentile and overall arm strength, and if

861
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: you look at a rise in the as far as

862
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: arm strength goes for a first basement, he was in

863
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: about the thirty fifth percentile according to Savant, which for

864
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: a first basement isn't that bad. But you're also not

865
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: expected to be throwing the ball that much. I think

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Speaker 3: maybe that would offset his abilities his deficiencies at the

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Speaker 3: position a little bit, because the throw from second base

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Speaker 3: isn't as strenuous on you know, the throwing arm, as

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Speaker 3: it would be from say third or short stop. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's generally a shorter distance. I think maybe in

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Speaker 3: that regard, I think the lack of arm strength will

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Speaker 3: be helped by the fact that he's not gonna have

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Speaker 3: to make a lot of long throws to first space

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Speaker 3: most of the time. How he looks turning the double play,

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Speaker 3: I think is where I have the most concern, because

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Speaker 3: you know, he's despite the fact that he's not tall,

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Speaker 3: he's he's a little he's he's bulkier, he's for a

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Speaker 3: guy playing that position primarily, so his athleticism I think

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Speaker 3: may be affected in that regard. But given what he's

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Speaker 3: done on the field in the batter's box, I think

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Speaker 3: if he could even just be an average defensive second baseman,

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Speaker 3: and that I personally, I think that's the one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent projection for him is like the best as far

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Speaker 3: as like one hundred percent best outcome. I think if

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Speaker 3: he's an average second baseman with the bat that we

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna give you, then there's no reason to

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Speaker 3: not want to like you. I said, explore the idea

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Speaker 3: of locking him up long term, but I think his

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Speaker 3: versatility is still gonna have to be something that he

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Speaker 3: employs because you know, the ability to move around with

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Speaker 3: that bat, the way that the Dodgers can kind of

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Speaker 3: do it with guys who play all over but they

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Speaker 3: also produce at an above average offensive level will only

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Speaker 3: help that team in more ways than one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So with.

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Speaker 1: That, I think that's gonna be our episode of Phishology,

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Speaker 1: talking of things, Jazz being on the cover centerfield Luis

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Speaker 1: arayas Richard Blier for Matt Barnes. That whole deal really

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Speaker 1: a wild week week and a half for the Marlins

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Speaker 1: in terms of news, and hopefully there is more coming soon,

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Speaker 1: but if there is, we'll make sure to record a

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Speaker 1: physiology episode asaps bringing out to you guys but for myself, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: for Eli, for Lewis, we're to thank you for tuning

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Speaker 1: in and always go fish.