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Speaker 1: to Kelsey Barrow, the missing Colorado mom mother declaring, somebody

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Speaker 1: now charged with murder His fiancee, Kelsey Barrett, was last

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Speaker 1: Christa Lee Kenny pleaded guilty to one count of tampering

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Speaker 1: You get out there and you find that cell phone,

426
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Speaker 1: and if you do, we'll give you champering with evidence.

427
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Because yes, I think they need her testimony. I think

428
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: they'll probably prove it without her testimony to shore it up.

429
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: But they had to have more than just her, okay,

430
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: because a good defense attorney can flip that around and

431
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: say she killed Kelsey, she was there, she was in Colorado.

432
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: They had to have more than just blow blah blah.

433
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: I think he's got the cell phone, doctor Daniel Bober.

434
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine her Chrystal Lee Kenney out there

435
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: trying to find the cell phone. I mean, she knows

436
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: where she threw it. She may have done it at night,

437
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: but she's probably got a good idea where she threw

438
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: the cell phone or he hit it. But doctor Daniel Bober,

439
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: are you buying that she was so terrified of Patrick

440
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: crazy that she drove eight hundred miles to get with him. Yeah,

441
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: a little bit of another case in Canada, to remember

442
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: the Paul Bernardo and oh yes, remember that one. Oh yes,

443
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: they would kidnap little teen girls and torture them sexually

444
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: with like curling irons and all kind of horrible things,

445
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: and the boyfriend would kill them. Yeah, and then Harmolka

446
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: claimed I was under his spell and afraid from my life.

447
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: What was it like ten to fifteen times? She was

448
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: afraid for her life? Right. So then after they gave

449
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: her the plea deal, they found a video that showed

450
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: that she was a lot more involved than she said

451
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: she was. That people were completely disgusted by the plea deal.

452
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: I think in this case it's the same thing. I

453
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: think she knows a lot more at the chief thing.

454
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: And I think again the evidence tampering charges is a

455
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: huge gift for her, Oh, huge, huge gifts. So, Karen Smith,

456
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: if they already have the phone, you're the forensics expert,

457
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: what will they be able to mind from Keltsey's cell phone.

458
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: They're going to go into that cell phone. They're going

459
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: to look at all the social media. They're going to

460
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: look at all of the text messages. They can go

461
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: in and find out where that cell phone was when

462
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: it was there, pings off of towers, they can actually

463
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: trace where Crystal Lee Kenny drove, the area where she

464
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: dumped it. They're going to go back and look at

465
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the text messages and see if there's any hint or

466
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: any clue that something was a miss prior to November

467
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty eighteen, when apparently she was killed. So

468
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: all of that data is going to come together and

469
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: tell the story, hopefully, of what happened to Kelsey Barrett.

470
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Ek Ellen Kilaura and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

471
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: She didn't just take the cell phone and throw it

472
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Speaker 1: out into the woods. She reportedly sent texts pretending that

473
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: she was the missing mom Kelsey Barrett to throw investigators

474
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: in family off the course. What were the texts we

475
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: believe Krystally Kenny sent for her boyfriend. Three days after

476
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: the alleged murder. On November twenty fifth, two text messages

477
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: were sent from Kelsey Brett's phone. One was sent to

478
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: Patrick Crazy and we don't know what was said in

479
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: that message. Another was sent to her employer. She was

480
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: a pilot and a flight instructor at a school in Colorado,

481
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and she sends the phone sends a message to whom

482
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: lawyers saying I'm not coming into work this week. That

483
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: was not something that has been arranged beforehand. Take a

484
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: listen to our friend, Jennifer Meckles at nine News. She

485
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: entered the courthouse quickly, not stopping to talk to reporters,

486
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: and while in court, Kenny stood with her attorney and

487
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: face the judge. Through tears. She admitted to learning Frazy

488
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: committed a homicide, to knowing law enforcement was investigating the crime,

489
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: and to moving the victim's cell phone to impair the

490
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: phone's availability in the investigation. There are terms to this

491
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: plea deal. District Attorney Dan May said that means she

492
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: could testify in the case against Patrick Frazy. She is

493
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: required to cooperate in all cases. She is required to

494
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: testify if called upon to testify in all cases, and

495
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: in particular obviously, he referenced the Patrick Crazy case that

496
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: is currently set for February nineteenth for preliminary hearing at

497
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. A judge will ultimately decide Kenny's sentence, and

498
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: that happens only after all other related cases wrap up.

499
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Right now, she is not in custody. She is free

500
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: to come and go, but the District Attorney's office said

501
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: she will certainly stay in touch with the court. Chrystallie

502
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: pled guilty to a Class six felony campering with physical evidence.

503
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: He carries a penalty in the presumptive range of up

504
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: to eighteen months in prison, in the aggravated range up

505
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: to three years in prison, and that's by state law.

506
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: By state law, it is not a mandatory sentencing and

507
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: type charge, so that actually the judge has a choice

508
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: of anywhere from probation on up to that three years

509
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: if the judge finds aggravation. In this particular case, we

510
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 1: have postponed sentencing until after any hearings or trials are

511
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: done on any other related matters, certainly that would include

512
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: the Patrick Fray charges. At this time he has presumed

513
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: innocent unless until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. We

514
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: have agreed, though, by our agreement, that she will not

515
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: be sentenced until after all trials are completed. You heard

516
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: the judge say that could be six months from now,

517
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: that could be two years from now. It's we really

518
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know what she stated today. She read a statement.

519
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: You probably saw her holding it in there. She said,

520
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I learned that Patrick Frazy had committed a homicide on

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00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: approximately November twenty second, twenty eighteen, in Teller County. I

522
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: knew that law enforcement would be investigating that crime. I

523
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: moved the victim's cell phone with the intent to impair

524
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: the phone's availability in the investigation. I had no right

525
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: or authority to move the victim's cell phone. That occurred

526
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: between November twenty fourth and November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen,

527
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: in Teller County. You are hearing the District Attorney, Dan May,

528
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: speaking to reporters after Crystal Lee the Rodeo Queen guilty play.

529
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: She's facing eighteen to thirty months now. The judge will

530
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: have discretion to give her straight probation and sentencing is

531
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: delayed until we hear her testimony. What is going to

532
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: happen next Ellen Klauren Well. Patrick Frazy is due next

533
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: in court on February nineteenth. Christian Lee Kenny is not

534
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: due back in corduntil June, but she obviously is a

535
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: key witness for the prosecution that she's not going anywhere.

536
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: She is going to not only testify for Patrick Crazy,

537
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: but if there are any other trials in this case,

538
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: if there are any other footboy, She's going to have

539
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: to be a witness there too. Straight out to doctor

540
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, right now, Kelsey Bear's family, her

541
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: mom and dad, her little daughter, have no idea where

542
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: her body is. And there you have Patrick Phrasey sitting

543
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: behind bars, climbing. He's innocent. All this was over what

544
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't even married to Kelsey. They could have just

545
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: broken up. Why this, doctor Bober, It's really hard to say,

546
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think at some point you start bargaining

547
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: with yourself and you say, I know that you know

548
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: my mom is not alive or my family members not alive.

549
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: But I just want answers. I just want to know

550
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: the truth just so I can have some peace. But

551
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to know, you know what motivated her

552
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: to actually do this or preserved to be involved in it.

553
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: There's a really good question from Jackie Howard here in

554
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: the studio with me to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina

555
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: family and divorce lawyer, Kathleen, could Christal Lee Kenney lose

556
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: custody of her children over this? Because she has clearly

557
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: been consorting with a killer who's been planning the murder

558
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: for a long time as she knew about it, and

559
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: now he's threatening that her children, her girls could just

560
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: disappear on the playground. Oh, Nancy, if the courts even

561
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: cared about what the parents do with their children, I

562
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: would say she should lose custody. But they don't really care.

563
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: They don't an ideal with it. All the time. You

564
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: walk in and oh, fifty fifty custody next. I would

565
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: love for custody courts in this country to start paying

566
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: attention just like this. You know what about it? To

567
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Ellen Colorin, what effect will all of this have on

568
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: Christa Lee Kinney's custody of her children? Yeah, we don't

569
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: know yet what Christy Lee Kenney knew, but her own

570
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: statements inside that she knew that there was a murder

571
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: on the day of the murder and she did not

572
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: come forward. So what that means about whether it's safe

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: for her to have custody of her children. We're going

574
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to have to wait and see. You know, Karen Smith,

575
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction before

576
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: she was busted getting rid of evidence in a murder case.

577
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: Friends said she was quote deeply in love that Patrick

578
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Frasie was her quote first love quote. She was in

579
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: love with him from a very young age. He had

580
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: some kind of a hold on her. Now, see the

581
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: story has morphed Karen Smith too. She was afraid. She

582
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: was afraid he's going to get her girls, So that's

583
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: why she did it. He's eight hundred miles away. She

584
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: can call the cops and have him busted pronto for murder. No,

585
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So how are we going to use

586
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: her phone, his phone, social media, electronics, phone records to

587
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: prove her involvement? Care and Smith, you're the forensics expert.

588
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: You know what. They don't even need outright threats between

589
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy and Crystal Lee Kenny. They don't. The fact

590
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: is is that she drove eight hundred miles with Kelsey

591
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Barrett's cell phone in her possession, she sent false text

592
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: to her work and to Patrick Frazie, knowing full well

593
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: it's in the statement I knew Patrick Frasy committed a homicide.

594
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: She didn't leave until two days later, November twenty fourth

595
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: and November twenty fifth, so there were two days for

596
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: her to sit around and think, what am I going

597
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: to do? Am I going to go to the cops?

598
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Or am I going to go along with this plan?

599
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: And don't give me the whole love thing, Nancy. You

600
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: and I have had cases where that's been an argument,

601
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: and I don't buy it one little bit. I want

602
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: to know what she knew, when she knew it, and

603
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: more important, how she knew it. Was she there or

604
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: was she not? Those are the questions I want answers too. Well,

605
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. To Ellen Colora and crimal line

606
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, we still don't have Kelsey's body.

607
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: This woman was murdered in her own town home. I

608
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: wonder if this is a money motive, because she had

609
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: just bought a two hundred fifty thousand town home on

610
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: her own. She was a flying instructor. No help from

611
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the fiance, the father of her child. To our understanding,

612
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: she may have had a life insurance policy on herself

613
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: payable to the child or the father. That has not

614
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: been explored. But I can't think of any other motive

615
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: why he would kill her. I mean, they weren't even married.

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: There wasn't going to be a messy divorce. It would

617
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: have been a break Ellen, right now, still nobody, how

618
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: was that going to affect Kelley if she grows up?

619
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: No idea where her mother's body is. Who has custody

620
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: right now? Ellen, of little Kelly Kelsey's parents to the

621
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: maternal grandparents have had custody of their one year old daughter.

622
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: And Anton, you make a really good point here about

623
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: we don't know where the body is. A body has

624
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: not been found yet. And yet here's this woman who

625
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: obviously knows a lot about what happened here getting a

626
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: very very very sweet plea deal when she played a

627
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: role in this, in this murder. So perhaps she knows

628
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: something about where that body is. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: This should be back in court in a matter of days.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,