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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. An eleven year old little

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Speaker 1: boy goes missing, and somehow nothing has been the same

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Speaker 1: ever since. Did little a Gannon Stock go to a

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Speaker 1: this little boy amidst very very unusual circumstances. The truth

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's kick it off. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at the Get Go koa a NBC five.

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Speaker 1: This is Katie Blase, the community holding out hope that

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Speaker 1: Gannon will be found. They've been tying up blue ribbons

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Speaker 1: He's eleven years old. He's four nine and weighs ninety pounds,

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Speaker 1: Fancy k at the very beginning when Gannon Stock went missing.

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Speaker 1: But even at the beginning, there were things a kilter,

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Speaker 1: things that didn't quite set right with me, with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down to day

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Speaker 1: Kirk Nurmi, author of a brand new book, Trapped with

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Speaker 1: Missus Arius on Amazon. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years with Seattle, PD.

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Speaker 1: Author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. You can

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Speaker 1: find him at Cloyd Stiger dot com. Renowned psychoanalysts to

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Speaker 1: the stars. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: Lee Egan Crime Online dot Com investigated reporter. But before

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Speaker 1: from the get go chase go lightly. At the beginning,

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Speaker 1: They did it all. I'll save him his breath. They

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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, major news in

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Speaker 1: and what it showed, well, Nancy. The neighbor Roderick Drayton,

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Speaker 1: the blood at the crime scene. Doctor Dupre, it's a

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Speaker 1: real honor to have you with us today in your expertise.

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Speaker 1: What does that blood tell you? Answer? That blood can

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Speaker 1: tell us so many things. First of all, it can

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Speaker 1: tell us the approximant type of weapon that was used,

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Speaker 1: whether it's high impactralow impacts batter It can tell us

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Speaker 1: where the person was when they were struck with that weapon.

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Speaker 1: It can also tell us, depending on the amount of blood,

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Speaker 1: it could tell us whether that person was actually killed

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Speaker 1: in that spot or not. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: the fact that there was so much blood directly under

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Speaker 1: his bed? Does that mean he was killed on the

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Speaker 1: bed or does that mean the bed was moved over

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Speaker 1: to cover up the spot of the murder, Nancy, it

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Speaker 1: probably means that the bed was moved to cover up

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Speaker 1: the spot of the murder. To sew through the mattress

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Speaker 1: and to have a lot of blood on the floor

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Speaker 1: after that would really be difficult. So I would imagine

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Speaker 1: that the child was killed there and the blood was

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Speaker 1: moved to cover it up. Yeah, isn't it true? To

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Speaker 1: chaseco lightly Kardo, Colorado Springs that we learn after an

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Speaker 1: exhaustive computer and devicelet trying to device search that before

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Speaker 1: step mom called nine one one, she actually texted her

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Speaker 1: teen daughter to go get cleaning supplies and bring them

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Speaker 1: home FRONTO. That is correct. Yeah, she texted her seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old daughters saying, Hey, can you go pick up

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Speaker 1: trash bags baking soda at the grocery store and be

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Speaker 1: able to bring it back, not specifically saying in the

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Speaker 1: text message what those supplies were for, but police were

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Speaker 1: able to give receipts for those and yes, according to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the David that the daughter, Letitia's daughter

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Speaker 1: did bring it. And also another thing I wanted to comment,

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Speaker 1: just about the bed and it being moved. When Gannon's

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Speaker 1: father out now came back, he was in the National Guard.

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Speaker 1: He was out of state. When he came back, he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong with this bed here. Usually it's pushed

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Speaker 1: up against the wall, and when he came back he

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Speaker 1: could see he was probably a couple inches off the wall.

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Speaker 1: So the father knew something maybe was kind of going

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Speaker 1: on there when he was examining Gannon's room. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and series Sex in one eleven. Bombshell

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Speaker 1: discoveries and police affidavits and police files that we have

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Speaker 1: just obtained. Take a listen to our friend CBS Denvernese

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Speaker 1: reporter Rick Salinger. The investigation also revealed the stepmothers he

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Speaker 1: internet searches. One was for husband uses me to babysit

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Speaker 1: his kids, the court back and then claims. Letitia Stout

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Speaker 1: later changed her story that Gannon had run away to

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Speaker 1: that she was raped by an intruder who then kidnapped

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Speaker 1: the boy. Investigators believe Letitias Stout then took the body

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Speaker 1: from the Palmer Lake carry and drove it to Florida,

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Speaker 1: where she dumped it beneath the bridge. Doctor Bethany, I've

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Speaker 1: got to throw this one to you. What could possess

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Speaker 1: someone to murder their stepson in a bloody death, not

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Speaker 1: a soft kill that you pointed out, like asphyxiation, but

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Speaker 1: a violent, horrible death, and then drive over a thousand

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Speaker 1: miles to dump the child's body. There are several motivations

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Speaker 1: I can think of. First of all, she was extremely

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Speaker 1: preoccupied and angry with her husband. She felt rejected, She

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Speaker 1: felt left out that he preferred other family members to her.

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Speaker 1: She wanted a rich husband, not somebody who wasn't giving

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Speaker 1: her money, So her rage towards her husband being taken

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Speaker 1: out on the child. And perhaps she felt that he

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Speaker 1: loved the child more than hers, so taking her rage

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Speaker 1: at her husband out on the child. Secondly, she's so

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Speaker 1: preoccupied with money. I want a rich husband. Why can't

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Speaker 1: I get money for taking care of this child? A

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Speaker 1: woman like this who's pathologically preoccupied with the feeling that

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Speaker 1: her needs are not being met, are going to resent.

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Speaker 1: She's going to resent the needs of the child. This

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Speaker 1: is what we see with nurses and caregivers and nannies

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Speaker 1: who killed children. Often at some pathological, twisted level, they

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Speaker 1: feel that their needs are not getting met, so every

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Speaker 1: time they feed the child hugged the child, offer the

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Speaker 1: child something. They also resent the child for being beloved

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Speaker 1: and getting their needs met. And so these are two

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Speaker 1: very compelling motives that I can think of, besides the

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Speaker 1: fact that she's just twisted and personality disordered. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Fox twenty ones Brandon Thompson. She called nine

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Speaker 1: one one to report again and missing just before seven

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Speaker 1: that night. Three hours later, deputies respond to the home

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Speaker 1: and Latitia consents to a search of the home, not

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Speaker 1: by anything suspicious at that time. However, in the five

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Speaker 1: searches of the home by the Metrocrime Lab in the

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Speaker 1: weeks following, they found Gannon's blood in the garage, on

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Speaker 1: the trunk of Latitia's car, and in his basement bedroom.

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Speaker 1: There was so much blood the documents say it had

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Speaker 1: soiled through the mattress, leaked through the carpet, and stained

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Speaker 1: the cement below. Then, tracking Latitia's car, investigators found that

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Speaker 1: she had driven to Highway one oh five the following

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Speaker 1: day at nine fifteen pm and State for about thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Then three days later she returned in a different car

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Speaker 1: that the Sheriff's office had put a tracking device on.

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Speaker 1: On February fifteenth, Investigators found Gannon's blood on a particle

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Speaker 1: board in that area, but could not find a body.

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Speaker 1: They say Latitia stout returning to the Highway one oh

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Speaker 1: five area shows quote Latitia disposed of Gannon's remains at

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Speaker 1: nighttime and likely was nervous about the location she chose,

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Speaker 1: and that investigators believed quote she went back to the

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Speaker 1: area to view the area while sunlight was available to

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Speaker 1: ensure no evidence was viewable from the road. At ten

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Speaker 1: forty five, the night after Gannon disappeared, she texted investigators

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Speaker 1: saying multiple times, quote, what do you want for me?

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Speaker 1: That was certainly a mouthful that's drinking from the fire Hydra.

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't take it all in. But I'm hearing this.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing a lot of good police work at some point.

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steger, thirty six years SEATTLEPD, author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer,

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Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant on Amazon Cloyd, did you hear that?

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Speaker 1: You know you've got to get a search warrant to

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Speaker 1: do this from an impartial magistrate. But they put a

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Speaker 1: tracking device on some other car, not the car she

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Speaker 1: normally drove, and tracked her around, and it took them

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Speaker 1: after they went there. I guess that's how they found it,

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Speaker 1: particle board out in the middle of nowhere with Gannon's

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Speaker 1: blood on it. Yeah, there was a lot of good

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: police work done by the Deteckats in this case. And

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Speaker 1: I read the affidavit and the evidence is insurmountable almost

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Speaker 1: with everything, and you're right doing your right things getting

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00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: a search warrant one needed, not cutting any corners. But

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Speaker 1: I'd also like to briefly talk about those Google searches.

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Speaker 1: What a boon for the detective that this woman uses

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Speaker 1: Google as their personal diary. What kind of searchers are those?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's damning. It is damning, and

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Speaker 1: it takes a forensic expert to recover all that. But

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Speaker 1: if you know how to do it, it's not hard

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Speaker 1: to do. It may be as simple as looking at

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Speaker 1: the history. Another issue I'm hearing Lee Egan crime online

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Speaker 1: dot com. Remember when you spoke on one of your

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Speaker 1: many conversations with the step mom. She was talking to

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Speaker 1: you and giving you some story about why she took

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Speaker 1: this circuitous route. Explain to everybody what she told you.

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Speaker 1: Now this is where his body ended up being. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: the blood on the particle board ended up being found.

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Speaker 1: What does she tell you she was doing exactly? She

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Speaker 1: said she took the back roads of a longer route

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Speaker 1: because there had been a wreck, I believe, on the

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Speaker 1: main highway on the morning of the January twenty seventh,

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Speaker 1: and she said she needed to go to Castle Rock,

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Speaker 1: which is around an hour away from their home, to

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00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: buy her husband some kind of specialized bicycle. She said,

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Speaker 1: on the way there, they stopped at Played Against Sports,

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00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: just a youth sporting good store, so she could trade

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Speaker 1: him old equipment to buy again and a hockey equipment.

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Speaker 1: But there's no confirmation that that ever happened. As far

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Speaker 1: as the bike shop, there's no She didn't even give

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Speaker 1: me the name of it. And you know, Lee Aigan,

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Speaker 1: you told me something really telling that during all this

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Speaker 1: she left her cell phone at home. Who does that

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Speaker 1: when you go on a trip, But she forgot she

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Speaker 1: had on her Apple Watch, which tracks your movements. You know,

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Speaker 1: I heard another thing. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner

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Speaker 1: out of South Carolina and author Homicide Investigation Field Guide,

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Speaker 1: I just learned something new from all of these documents.

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Speaker 1: The blood did seep through the mattress. He had a

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Speaker 1: basement bedroom and it went down through the cementcy I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. So that's a lot of blood, Doctor Dupree. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that is definitely a lot of blood. And we can

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Speaker 1: actually determine how much blood that is by doing an experiment.

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Speaker 1: If we need to prove that there is a murder

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Speaker 1: without a body, how we will use something like an

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Speaker 1: IV equipment, you know, the intravenous equipment, where we have

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Speaker 1: a bag of blood and we've dripped that blood or

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Speaker 1: tie traded onto a similar mattress, the same size, same way,

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Speaker 1: until we have the same blood pool that we have

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Speaker 1: at the crime scene, and we can measure that amount

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Speaker 1: of blood. You've done that before, we have You know what,

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Speaker 1: every time I talk to you, you amaze me all

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Speaker 1: over again, between you and doctor Bethany. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: Chase go lightly k r D Colorado springs on the scene.

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Speaker 1: What happens now, Chase, Yeah, just from m here, we're

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Speaker 1: just you know, waiting to see what happens next with

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Speaker 1: Leticia being uh, you know, back in court. So you're

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Speaker 1: on the first name basis now Leticia just go under that,

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Speaker 1: I guess or the step mom. But just kind of

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Speaker 1: what happens from here is that we just want to

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Speaker 1: try to get more information on exactly how did she

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Speaker 1: get the body over to Florida and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: In the arrest of it, David, like I said, it

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Speaker 1: was completed before investigators found the body in Florida. So

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Speaker 1: that's just the more information that we're trying to look

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Speaker 1: out for right now is just to see how was

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Speaker 1: she possibly able to do that and then how many

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Speaker 1: days after that did she get arrested in South Carolina

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Speaker 1: then extra extradite it back to Colorado. Guys, we wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,