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Speaker 1: R and D Money.

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Speaker 2: Thanks take VALENTI. We are the authorities, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: My name is Tank Valentine and this is the r

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Speaker 2: V Money podcast, The Authorities.

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Speaker 1: Things R n B. I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah who yeah child star? What super star? He

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Speaker 3: was only apollo with the Royal Steve Harvey.

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Speaker 2: Tell him what he had in his hand. It's only

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Speaker 2: two child stars on this whole plootform. None of them

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Speaker 2: is me.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, well not, you know prolong this intro.

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Speaker 2: This is our family, damn near our blood period legit.

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Speaker 2: Don't fuck with Sammy, don't do it. Hell have a

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Speaker 2: problem with us. I think he showed that on the version.

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Speaker 2: You know what, well you will just have a problem

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Speaker 2: with him. Ladies and gentlemen, all little brother Samon.

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Speaker 1: My brother the record about the record, for the record,

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Speaker 1: Big Salmon in the building.

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Speaker 2: Big Sam. No luck do when you see him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, come on time when.

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Speaker 4: You see him came from now on? What do they

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Speaker 4: call you?

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Speaker 1: They call me Big Sam.

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Speaker 2: When you hug him, you are hugging Big Sam. When

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Speaker 2: you scream for him, you are screaming.

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Speaker 1: For You're right, Big said.

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Speaker 2: When you are loving him, you are being loved by

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Speaker 2: Big Sam. Oh my god, my my, my min My

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Speaker 2: shirts coming soon.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Big Sam shirts.

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Speaker 2: Big Sam business my lawyer right now, you figure out

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Speaker 2: how I can get in on the do the copyright

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Speaker 2: bro love Big Sam, Big Sam. Here, man, I promise you.

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Speaker 2: I don't when you said it earlier, I don't know

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Speaker 2: why it rang so crazy like that, and you were

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Speaker 2: saying it in conversation, just passing correct. I'm just on

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Speaker 2: my Big Sam.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was shooting stand of woo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said, what are you saying?

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Speaker 2: It's like, Big Sam, let's stop there. Yeah, because being

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Speaker 2: a child star is extremely difficult, in one.

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Speaker 1: Of the toughest gifts that you can be given.

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Speaker 2: It is not a curse, but it is a very

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Speaker 2: tough place to graduate from.

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Speaker 1: Very much so that that bridge from child star to

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Speaker 1: teenage heart rob, from teenage heart rob to you in

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Speaker 1: your twenties and still trying to find yourself to you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty nine, I'll be forty next year.

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Speaker 2: You are thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I'm pushing for them is crazy? No way,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine and have made Sammy means something to the

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Speaker 1: world for Yeah, since I was twelve that's beautiful, tough,

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Speaker 1: but beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's just appropriate. I think the rebrand

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Speaker 2: is just appropriate because like with new energy and everything, new.

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Speaker 1: Music, just of course new new stories because life is forever.

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Speaker 2: Changing, ye ye ye.

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Speaker 1: More obstacles, more barricades, fatherhood, lives in your parents, you

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Speaker 1: know those things. That's why I think that Big Sam

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Speaker 1: energy is like it was inevitable. There's nothing I thought about.

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Speaker 1: It's just something that became.

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Speaker 2: Because Sammy was being taken care of. Yeah. Big Sam

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Speaker 2: is one hundred percent taking care of him, taking care

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Speaker 2: of himself and everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Right with me is the head that wears the crowd

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Speaker 1: very much in that place, and if he needs to,

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Speaker 1: Big Sam a beat up a motherfucker. Don't mind defending myself,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, don't say defending yourself like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm a Florida boy. If

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Speaker 1: you're not first, you last, that's right, And you know

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Speaker 1: the nice guy finishes last, and I'm just tired of

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Speaker 1: being nice. Been Yeah, that's where the Big Sam was created.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Ray J. That's right, let's forget you know,

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Speaker 2: we're getting that Big Sam.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the nice guy Sammy man.

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Speaker 4: I'm still so ray he learned.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 4: You you've seen Big Sam in the flesh.

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Speaker 1: Huh his back is still injured.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for introducing us to Big Sam.

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Speaker 1: I mean when he went there first, I was going

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Speaker 1: to say, my brother, you are my brother. That's my brother.

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Speaker 1: We all brothers.

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Speaker 4: But that's all things.

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Speaker 2: Ray J is always somehow associated to something cool happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the fun he does it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: ray J is responsible for helping introduce us to Big Sam,

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Speaker 2: the ass kicker.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I love you, Ray, I just love Big SAMs. I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited about the Big Sam movement. Send me a

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Speaker 2: shirt extra medium, you know.

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Speaker 1: How a rock?

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Speaker 5: You want an extra? I want an extra Big Sam,

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Speaker 5: Big Sam. Extra me don't even make sense. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: be in the gym all swoll. I'm doing chest and chest.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That day.

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Speaker 1: I love it wearing my Big Sam shirt on that today.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Little legs. First of all, I have my legs are proportionate. No,

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Speaker 2: don't do that. I got small ankles now. Mama gave

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Speaker 2: me that. That's not my fault. Everything else works Jay.

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Speaker 2: She got Asian in this.

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Speaker 4: In his family part, he said, my mama gave me

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Speaker 2: So he got the karate kickers. But he's gonna he's

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Speaker 2: gonna make fun of us. All right, Loan need some

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Speaker 2: calf nigga, God damn ski See, I.

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Speaker 1: Just want to take my shirt off and be Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 3: That nigga be bumping away, that's it foot show.

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Speaker 1: So all right, man, shit, are we done fighting lifting weights? Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's get back to Florida. Man, Florida, Yeah, Florida.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yes. I got to know who pointed at

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Speaker 2: you and said, yeah, that kid right there, yeah special.

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Speaker 1: It was a few people in my life. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to miss Allen. Second grade. I was in Early to

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Speaker 1: Heights Elementary School, brown Shub, Miami, and I'm humming during

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Speaker 1: the test that we're taking and she h, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know that I'm doing that. And she goes, do

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Speaker 1: you want to share with the class because there was

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Speaker 1: I was like, yes, ma'am, absolutely, and.

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Speaker 2: Uh I sung you said you'd love to share with

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Speaker 1: Second grade, I'm singing yeah, and what I'm humming during

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Speaker 1: the test, and I did, uh, my rendition of Santa

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Speaker 1: holiday song Jackson five. She immately. He sends me to

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Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder's label. I was in a group called the

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Speaker 1: Wonder Three with Terrell and Philip. We auditioned for the

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Speaker 1: Apollo as a group. But remember I'm a youngin I'm

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Speaker 1: only ten, they're like fifteen sixteen. So when we sent

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Speaker 1: the group for amateur night. I had never been so loo,

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Speaker 1: I asked. I was like, how do y'all feel about

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Speaker 1: me going by myself? And it was like it could

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Speaker 1: change your life? Did my Srea More nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Steve Harvey was hosting at the time, got a stand

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Speaker 1: in ovation You'll never forget. My mom told me like,

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Speaker 1: if you could take over a New York crowd, you

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Speaker 1: could take over the world. Who picked your suit? My mom?

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Speaker 2: Your mom?

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Speaker 1: Because the suit was clean.

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Speaker 3: It was baggy. But you know, listen, you were a baby.

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Speaker 3: There are no fitted suits for babies. You can't get now.

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Speaker 3: You see, you know what you know they dressed. They

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Speaker 1: That's what they do now, am I lying?

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Speaker 2: Whatever the nigga looked like that left him, That's who

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Speaker 2: they dressed the sun up as now he the new boy.

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Speaker 3: You know what, it's whatever, but it's I loved your

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Yeah, so on point for a young man

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Speaker 3: to be up there with that.

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Speaker 1: Did the Apollo got a standing ovations, but the swag though.

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Speaker 3: You didn't go up there and sing like a new artist.

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Speaker 3: You sang like you were supposed to be on that stage,

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Speaker 3: which is crazy to see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always I I'm naturally a shy person, honestly

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm uncomfortable off stage or not an interview

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Speaker 1: Because I've dedicated my life to music. That's the one

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Speaker 1: I know when it's too much. I can high hat

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Speaker 1: and don't take that. I've dedicated over twenty years to

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Speaker 1: probably saying that Dad, Mama. I had melodies and lyrics

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Speaker 3: So did you have family members that were singers or

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Speaker 3: were you the first at all?

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Speaker 1: No, look up, crude up blues singer. That is a

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Speaker 1: part of my bloodline. He was actually ironically signed to

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Speaker 1: mom can blow, my sister sings better than me. I

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Speaker 1: was raised in the Church of Christ. The Bushes are

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Speaker 1: knows the Northwoods ray J's family. So we didn't have instruments.

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Speaker 1: Everyone you pull out your hymn book and you find

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Speaker 1: your note and we might clap. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: No drums, no piano, no guitar. So it's just was

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Speaker 1: in me, you know everyone, I just went for it.

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Speaker 1: I knew that that came easiest for me. I played basketball,

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Speaker 1: played football, the whole Florida music and seeing how it

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Speaker 1: made people feel, too, is what gave me purpose. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. In it, it's like a.

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Speaker 2: Ten I didn't have that.

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Speaker 1: I felt that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was force. You find me, but you're still had.

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Speaker 1: Said, I spank into it.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're on stage.

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Speaker 1: Had was no choice, That's what.

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Speaker 2: That's what that's true for me.

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Speaker 3: No no mine sing or y'all gonna sing. This is

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Speaker 3: gonna get us up out of this situation.

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Speaker 1: Situation.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that at ten, what greatest.

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Speaker 1: Ten you're you're well, you're not even that is that

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Speaker 3: Like I was, so, you got the production situation, you

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Speaker 2: And like that's what Dallas was doing. It's current.

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Speaker 1: He said, just get what you ya. I was going

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Speaker 1: Just grab stuff I broke. I'm thirty nine. I wear

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Speaker 1: And then people are in school now, like y'all seen

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Speaker 4: Days twelve Yes, seventh grade.

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Speaker 1: Seventh grade, William Danny Middle School. My first two years

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never left school. It was just school was

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Speaker 1: I would have been out of control. It was just

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Speaker 1: Oh no, my mom put fear in my heart.

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Speaker 4: So I was scared too.

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Speaker 2: I was scared of my mom. I was scared of

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Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to over there.

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Speaker 4: To it.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: No, I was terrified of Angela. So I was. I

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Speaker 1: I was a really good kid. I just became bad.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm almost forty and decided to run to

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Speaker 2: Like, you can only suppress, you know, the beast for

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Speaker 2: You've just done a great job at managing correct and

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Speaker 2: now it's like, hey, man, stop playing with me. I'm

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Speaker 1: He's not playing with everybody. Stopped playing.

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Speaker 2: I respect it having great having a conversation. So you're

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Speaker 2: talking to the wild church your monologue. Man, it's like

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Speaker 2: niggas like you trying to get away from it because

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Speaker 1: I know, came out late man, s man. I was

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Speaker 6: Guy, all right, So you have to hear record.

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Speaker 4: But I've never even heard of anyone never staying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about and trade everyone else. You gotta go.

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Speaker 1: school the entire time high school to graduated, Homecoming king,

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00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: playball two years aau.

441
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Speaker 2: Of course you were homecoming.

442
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: King, I know, and I don't even Yeah, he's cheating.

443
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Chating. Now, in hindsight, those other guys

444
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance. But at the time, I was

445
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: such a regular kid. To me, I wasn't even campaigning.

446
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we got the best football player.

447
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm going against the best dress nigga, I'm going against.

448
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: I was just like I just wanted to say, I

449
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: tried to be the homecoming king. It was a landslide.

450
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody voted for anybody else. Yeah, yeah,

451
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: and that's cool to have that experience. So I really

452
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: went to homecoming, really went to prom. Really all my

453
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: real brothers. It's like my real family is the homies

454
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: I went to high school. They married, now with kids.

455
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: They still come to Atlanta and come to my shows

456
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that when we can get away or

457
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: we go on the guy's trip. So that's the beauty

458
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: of I hated school. I'm gonna be honest, like sitting

459
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: in a class learning something that I've already seen.

460
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: The world ultimately.

461
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: Value. And then I knew, like I didn't know about

462
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much money we was making, but

463
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: I knew I was getting to my family. I knew

464
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: I was getting to the money because my mom. Yeah,

465
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: we went from this house to this house. My mom

466
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: left one day with like a Lincoln town car and

467
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: then she came back with this brand new SUV. Christmas,

468
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: she sent me to take out the trash. Right, It's like,

469
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: go take up the trash. And I had to go

470
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: a certain way right to take the trash out. And

471
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: she knew I would see the gifts four wheeler goat

472
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: kart from my little brother little Powallel for my other

473
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: little like sibling, and just I'm like Okay, my singing

474
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: is like change, changing the atmosphere. We're We're not in

475
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: the one bedroom apartment with five of us there. Now

476
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: we all got our own rooms. She never set me

477
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: down to tell me. I understood it was a business

478
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: because like Joyce, Erbie would give me some of the game.

479
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: I always had an old soul, so I would ask

480
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and I had like a remember

481
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: the forty eight hour special, not the first forty eight

482
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: but forty eight hours, specially when they would follow you around.

483
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: They did a special on me as a kid, and

484
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: one time they asked me, was I happy? Because this

485
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: is they caught me before I like it took off.

486
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: And then they just documented me going to school performing

487
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: then Thursday through Sunday, like I was tired. I was

488
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: just like breaking down, you know what I'm saying, Like

489
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: my body was just like this isn't normal to just

490
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: be in Fort Lauderal for three days and then four

491
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: or five cities in the next four or five days,

492
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: and then back in school trying to make sure I

493
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: passed this test. And they asked me what was I happy?

494
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: And I was like sometimes, but I don't like feeling

495
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: like a product that has to be sold.

496
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: M hmm.

497
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: I said that on the special Joyce Ervy heard it.

498
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: My mama heard it, and it casted some concerns because

499
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly what this is. Tank is a product, m

500
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Sammy is a product. Jay Valentine is a product. And

501
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: if you can't accept that, you're in the wrong business.

502
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: Remember I'm still a pure soul twelve thirteen, fourteen. I'm

503
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: not all the way business minded savvy. So I'm thinking, like,

504
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: so what you're saying if I don't sell, there's no

505
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: more shoppings, priests, no more sunsets, and I'm in the

506
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: high rise definitely wasn't correct. They'll ship, Yeah, they'll shut

507
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: that ship down if you're not that.

508
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 4: Did they let you Did they let you touch a

509
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: little bit of cash though?

510
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Twelve? Yeah?

511
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: My mom my, mom my mom. So after every show,

512
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: shout out to Xena. Xena knows that your wife, and

513
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: Xena was my background dan when I was a kid. Yeah,

514
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: it was Zena Lee and Janelle and I just wanted

515
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: to hang with them, so I was. My mom was

516
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: just well at the money together and then she just

517
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: you gotta understand even a thousand dollars for a twelve

518
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: year old, I'll take the thousand now, yeah in my

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: big age.

520
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: Right you like you got a thousand thousand years, I

521
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: had a couple thousands.

522
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Y that makes you feel great. So she she would

523
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: just give me a thousand, and like I would be

524
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: with Xena and I would be with Lea and we'll

525
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: go either like to the mall and I just buy

526
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: ship or we come back to the hotel and I

527
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: just order ship, like just got me bears alone and

528
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: like sick, like just ate myself to a slumber, you

529
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then that was that was

530
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: love for me, Like I couldn't believe it because I'm

531
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: really this kid from Pointing Beach, Florida, raising Miami, lived

532
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: in Fort lauder Deal. I know about roaches, I know

533
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: about rats. I'm not to lay down the trap, you

534
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And hear that little pop and

535
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: you got one, just take him on out to the

536
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: dumb shit. So like coming from that to.

537
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: My mom is.

538
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Just able to do for us. That's all I cared about.

539
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: Like my mom is straight, my siblings is straight. You

540
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My pops, even you call me,

541
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I I can send him something, and that's all I've

542
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: known now though now twenty seven years later, that's that's

543
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: who you.

544
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: Know.

545
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know no other way. Provide, provide, provide.

546
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm a father now, provide, provide, provide, You know what

547
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: I mean. Gotta make sure the baby, baby mama is

548
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: just good. Gotta make sure my mama is straight with

549
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: her situation. My Popsy just passed in December, but I

550
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: had the pleasure of taking him into my home the

551
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: last four or five months of his life, where he

552
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: got to see He was so ill. He never even

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: saw my new crib. I got a crib. We got

554
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: like a golf course on the gates. You got a

555
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: buzzy gotta buzz you in, and we got the pools

556
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: and all that cool stuff that you know, I didn't

557
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: even have in twenty seventeen. You brought me on tour,

558
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. So it was a blessing

559
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: to be able to house my father and him see

560
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: his junior like, Okay, yeah, you're doing good for yourself, son,

561
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: and he just enjoyed the peace. Sit on the porch,

562
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: you would turn on his jazz and just watch nature

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: be nature, watch my daughter run around, and I think, like,

564
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: as I'm saying all of this, I'm grateful for the journey.

565
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the pain, I'm grateful for the adversity,

566
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for God's grace because all I do

567
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: is sing and write music that feels good to me,

568
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: and I trust myself and I've trusted myself for twenty

569
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: years plus and it's got me this far. That's all

570
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: I've ever done. I had one real job, for real,

571
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: just before I came back to music, to see if

572
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to be normal or you tried it?

573
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: I did it? What did you do?

574
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I worked at Universal Studios no one knows this doing

575
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: for three months. Yeah, had a outfit on. I hated

576
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: my outfit. Bro it was it said boom wam damn

577
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: shoe splash like it was a colorful outfit. And I

578
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: had to make you play games like you know how

579
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: you'd be walking and somebody be like you just like

580
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: you know that basketball that you can never really make it? Yeah,

581
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I will convince you good. I'd be like yo,

582
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: five dollars street shots, ten dollars eight shots, and then and.

583
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: I could play what made you do that?

584
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm in high school now, right. I hadn't dropped,

585
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: only dropped the first album in Hardball Hardball, So two

586
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: thousand and one to two thousand and five, I'm ghost.

587
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: No one knows where I'm at except Orlando. That's where

588
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: I was going to high school at. So I'm watching

589
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the Marios come out, the Chris Browns come out, the

590
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: trade songs come out. Lloyd I couldn't believe it. Like,

591
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: my first time seeing Lloyd since I was fourteen was

592
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: when he had tattoos, long curly hair. I think he

593
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: was smoking weed in the south Side video. I was like,

594
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: is that Lloyd R Right? Lord, he's back like shit

595
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: because I've been off the scene. I was out from

596
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine two thousand and one, So I'm really enormously

597
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: watching my success. I would say inspired executives. I won't

598
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: say I could to get the B two k's in

599
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: the bow wows. And I was kind of I felt

600
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: the way because I'm like, it's not fair. I'm back

601
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: in school and they're like, it's a whole, it's my formula.

602
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Was it that forced hiatus or was it a okay, yeah,

603
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: that's a great question. No, No, So what happened was

604
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: when I can say it again because it's been spoken on.

605
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: Remember I said, Joyce forced Dallas to sign me. Now

606
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: we're having success. My mom is my mom, but she's

607
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: my mam Mager too. So there's three chiefs. Dallas, Austin, Joyce,

608
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: Irbie Angela. They bumped heads so bad, bro Like, it

609
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: was photo shoots that I missed because my mom was like,

610
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: he's tired, he's not coming. There was promo tours that

611
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: my mom ended up getting us twelve fifteen thousand show

612
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: my baby got at number one. He ain't doing that

613
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: for free. She she was bucking the system fast. And

614
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: then Joyce and Dallas had their thing and it got

615
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: so bad that Dallas called Capital and said, I love Sammy,

616
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: but I can't deal with his mama. I can't deal

617
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: with Joyce. He pulled the plug. That's how I ended

618
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: up back in high school. That's why I disappeared without

619
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: an announcement. Who just disappears after they go number one

620
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and go certify old and breaking records and shit then

621
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: and then then I'm on.

622
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: On your way.

623
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm gone.

624
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's a very important piece because people

625
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: they don't know that they don't understand how it got

626
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: politics once. The talent is one thing correct.

627
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I stowed up at every show, I did, every tour,

628
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: I did every interview, Jay Leno, Jimmy Kimmel, like whatever

629
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: they had me do, I'm there and prevailing school, like

630
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm like a good kid. But the adults in the

631
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: business and those who caught the shots could not align,

632
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: and it got so disrespectful. Man, I was seeing my

633
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: mom ain't gonna lie like curse Dallas out seeing I'm like,

634
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: you can't say that, like this is my mom. I'm like, no,

635
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: you can't say that. You can't say that, like I

636
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: know at fourteen, thirteen twelve, that's not okay. Then her

637
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Joyce is on the phone. They going and I'm like, y'all,

638
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: like you just want to say, I'm just trying to

639
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: jump on stage and run around and y'all like we're here.

640
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: It's good. I'm tired sometimes. I'm not unhappy sometimes, And

641
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: my unhappiness just came from being a star and then

642
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: having to try to be normal, like you have to

643
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: pick you yeah, yeah, because you don't fucking know, Like

644
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: that was it. But that's why I went to school

645
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: the second time, Like high school because he called capital.

646
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: He said, I love the kid, but I can't take it.

647
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm done. And if he was done, they were done.

648
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: So now I'm in high school. So now I'm thinking

649
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: in high school, like I hate school. I'm still famous,

650
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: although like y'all left me out here. Every day they're like,

651
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: why are you in school? Why are you not on

652
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: one O six in park? Why are you not back

653
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: on the why you're not on the screen tour. All

654
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: these things are happening now. This is where the millennials

655
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: before the Millennium tour, this is what we had. And

656
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: I have no real explanation. I'm like, I'm just in school.

657
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: And then I said, okay, well I'm about sixteen. Now.

658
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: The money, the money's kind of going down. Yeah, I'm

659
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: not working. Still gotta spend it. So my mom done

660
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: got this nice ass crib with this big ass backyard

661
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: with this nice ass pool that I hate because I

662
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: gotta clean it and do all your toys. Oh boy,

663
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm pushing the lawnmower, cutting grass, I'm cleaning out the

664
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: gutters on the roof, I'm cleaning the pool, helping my

665
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: brother with his homework, getting his clothes out tomorrow, help

666
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: my sister with her homework and her clothes out tomorrow.

667
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Then I do my chores and then I go play

668
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Dreamcast and then I go to school.

669
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 4: I would have did like Uncle Erroy and drain. Now

670
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: we can't swim anyway.

671
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it? Yeah, like real right,

672
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: for sure, don't got it? Yeah, really living a normal life.

673
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: So that's what made me get a job. I'm like, okay,

674
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: well I need to work to see how it feels.

675
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: So I get this job at Universal, and I got

676
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: to convince you to play games. Never did I have

677
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: a name tag that said Sammy though I was Chris,

678
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I was John Jeff Stephen. Yeah, yeah, you name it

679
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: just because I'm still famous. He looked like and they

680
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: would do that and this is a way. Yeah see

681
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: the name tag. So I was like, that's what made

682
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: me hate working a regular job, because it was the

683
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: job was cool. I'm just standing out there flirting with

684
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: girls making him play do ship right, But they would

685
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: be like you you look like m hm, you heard

686
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: about that singer Sammy. I like it crazy things I do.

687
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I get it all the time.

688
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I get it all the time, and and in three months,

689
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: that's all it took. And then I got my check

690
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: and that was all. Yeah, three seventy five nick, and

691
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I took one seventy six out of it. But whether

692
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: it's taxes, who's tax Who's taxes? I get back ends

693
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: where we we what's this nigga tax tax? I only

694
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: could pay my Nokia, remember Noki. I could pay my

695
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: phone bill and go buy some trucks. And back then

696
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I lived in Florida, so we would go to like

697
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: foot like I get the tall tea five dollars for

698
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, I mean five for twenty Yes, it had

699
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: to be a gap. It had to be a gap.

700
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: It broke. It came down to this thin Yeah, that's

701
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: all I could record after that. So I was like, nah,

702
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: So I quit my job. Stop going. I made more

703
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: money because we get comp tickets. Selling my comp tickets.

704
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I would sell my comfort I get four of them.

705
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, yah, at least for you for a hundred piece,

706
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: get four hundred dollars every time they gave them to me.

707
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: That's how I was racking up. And I would like

708
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: stash my money in the shoe box. My mom thought.

709
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I was like selling bat shit. I'm like, man, nah,

710
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: come tickets, because if you go through them. We got

711
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: this three hundred some dollars for the passes and all that. Yeah,

712
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell it for one hundred because they're free

713
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: for me.

714
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

715
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: This four hundred goes into my pocket. Taxes do not

716
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: come out of it, nigga, tax don't dip my shit.

717
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

718
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: So that's how I ended up working on a regular job.

719
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: But I knew then there was no college. I'm saying

720
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to college. Yeah, I'm not going to

721
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: work a job because I wanted to be a psychiatrist

722
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: or like a counselor. Right, not did my research. If

723
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: you get your bachelor's or your doctrine and you make

724
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: like sixty seventy thousand, I'm like, that's in advance where

725
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm from, Like I can sing, right, you start doing

726
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the numbers. Yeah, and it just started making more sense

727
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: to come back to the games.

728
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: But were you waiting to turn eighteen to come back?

729
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: Not even just to come back.

730
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: Because I experienced this, I needed to get out of

731
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: the deal with my dad got it as my manager

732
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: so he could be free. So I needed to be eighteen. Yeah,

733
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: and it was just it just was my reality. I'm like, like, Dad,

734
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: you didn't you didn't threaten too many people?

735
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

736
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we can't get no deal, so I got

737
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: I gotta go about this by myself.

738
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was a really tough you know, it

739
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 3: was a really tough decision for me because it's my father.

740
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: But I had to be honest with him about what

741
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: the situation was.

742
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mine was. Actually I think it was just

743
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: if I had to be honest, God or dained. Remember,

744
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to be normal. So that's why I

745
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: got the job. I'm filling out college applications. I was

746
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: going to go to FAMU in my psyche major, but

747
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I hated school. I just knew in my soul my

748
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: time as far as school was up, snow next level music.

749
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: I come to Atlanta because there's a hurricane season. We

750
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: get and we had to evacuate. When I evacuate, I

751
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: stay with this guy I knew who actually was my

752
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: manager when I graduated high school. I won to say

753
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: his name because we're cool now. But it was some

754
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: bad history with the management stuff and we went past it.

755
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: But I link up with him and I'm seventeen turning eighteen.

756
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Were just up here because it's a hurricane of Florida.

757
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rock with you, brother. He was like, hey man,

758
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: what you do when you graduate? I'm like, I don't know.

759
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't like the school shit. You know what I'm saying.

760
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: He was like, cool, you can still sing. I'm like absolutely.

761
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: He takes me to see IRA's birthday party. At this

762
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: birthday party is Jazzy Fay. Dallas also and you know

763
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Michael Cox and everybody and all the who's who's

764
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: is at this party. I've been out the loop for

765
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: four years. No one even knows where I'm at. Dallas

766
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: sees me and loses his mind because the last time

767
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: you saw me when I was fourteen and he pulled

768
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: the plug. Mind you, I didn't know he pulled the

769
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: plug until this night. He pulls me to a room

770
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: and goes you turn eighteen March. First, I've been trying

771
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: to find you. I've been trying to reach out to

772
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: your mom. I've been trying to see where school you

773
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: was at. I'm starting the records. Do you want to RECORDO?

774
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: I said, absolutely, mm hmm. I've been I try to

775
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: get Lloyd to find you. I hit Jasper, I've been

776
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: trying to find you, and I'm at Universal fucking Studios.

777
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: Come on, dude, that's not Universal, bro, it's Disney.

778
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: To make it to that as that that that that

779
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: changed my whole mood. He pulled me. He said, listen,

780
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what happened. Your mom, myself, Joyce,

781
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: and we in the Execs Capital had a meeting and

782
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: my mom says some crazy ship and I love my

783
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: mother to this day, and I know my mom said

784
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: it because I know my mom. He said, I couldn't

785
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: take it, and I pulled the plug on your project.

786
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: But I would love for you to come back home

787
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: to rowdy records. I go back to Orlando. I stopped

788
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: filling out college applications. I stopped paying attention to the

789
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: cool I'm eighteen in a little a couple of months.

790
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: My mom's just like, why are you not? Like you're

791
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: not going to the army. You're not going? I said,

792
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's nothing to the military. I said, I'm

793
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: going to Atlanta. Did you tell her about that? Yeah?

794
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: That's I had to because I stopped really like functioning.

795
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: Now now I'm stop.

796
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: You're preparing for something correct. She thought that I was.

797
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Going towards She started noticing, like he's not doing his homework,

798
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: he not mailing off college applications.

799
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: Bro.

800
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I just would come home and just be like, I

801
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: can't wait. Walk across the state. I'm going to Atlanta.

802
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: So was there ever a conversation about her managing you

803
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: as an adult?

804
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: No, she was all she she she knew why. She

805
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: never told me why the why I stopped, so she

806
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: knew it was smoke. She hates the industry to this day,

807
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: and she protected me from a lot of things. But

808
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: I love it well. I love music.

809
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in this ship what it is there you go.

810
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: It comes with some ship. If you ain't built for it,

811
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: get out. So she was pissed. My mom was pissed

812
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: that she was getting back in no support. She was like,

813
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you your car, I'm not giving you

814
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: no money that. She was like, you're going to Atlanta

815
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: to go make it right? I said, absolutely, it's cool.

816
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: I packed up two trash bags. I took four hundred

817
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: dollars from suitcase, no suit trash, two black trash bags.

818
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: Four hundred dollars that I got from graduation cards. When

819
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I walked stage and my dad rest in Peace, gave

820
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: me an EEDT card.

821
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: For groceries.

822
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: My auntie Wanda, drove me up to Atlanta. I lived

823
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: with my manager and the first day I got there,

824
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: I was at Dark Studios. Back in the studio, Yeah,

825
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: working on the self titled semi album. Back with they

826
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: gave me a whishless. Who you want to work with?

827
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: I said, I want to work with Bea Cocks. I

828
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: want to work with Jazzi Fair. I want to work

829
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: with Blah blah blah blah blah J and Vidal Corner

830
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: boys going down my list because I still stayed in

831
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: the know. What was what was going on? You're watching

832
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching Marcus Houston, I'm watching Lawyer. I'm watching O Mario,

833
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm watching B two K, I'm watching Marry, I'm watching

834
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Chris Brown. I'm watching So I'm like, I want those guys,

835
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: the same people that they working with. I want to

836
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: work with them. Did they give you a couple of

837
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: hours when you got here? I got straight?

838
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: They got they got you straight.

839
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I had to see two forty bins in the week. Yeah,

840
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: I have. I I had fifty thousand for this deal.

841
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Here then I had forty thousand for this deal here,

842
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: So within like a month, I was like up one

843
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: hundred k and riding a little decent band. Yeah, eighteen Atlanta,

844
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm straight straight, sure, I'm going au see. Yeah, goddamn Clark,

845
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: I like what I'm here. He got me right, So

846
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, the first thing I wanted to do is

847
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: drive back home. I wanted to drive to Orlando to

848
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: see my mom. In the bands in the Bends, I

849
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: ain't have that four hundred EBT long. They cut me

850
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: in fifty thousand the night and the forty thousand, I'm

851
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: like ninety thousand. Yeah, and I haven't put out nothing.

852
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm just down getting back in the gym.

853
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: I haven't been to no rehearsal, haven't been to artists

854
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: development again. I'm just like, okay, I'm back. Yeah, I'm back.

855
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: And then boom right, did you should be my girl?

856
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: That's my shim. You can do the thing.

857
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: We can do the thing still with Big Zach got

858
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: because at the time Snap was crazy, but again, I've

859
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: always been a stupid I just hung out with Big

860
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: Zag bro Zack's my brother, man, great man. That's him

861
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: doing the choppling, screw voice, that's him girl, you can

862
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: do that's Big Zach and then Jazzie. The freedom they

863
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: gave me. They were like, if you still got it,

864
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: then you can write yourself now, and I was like,

865
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: oh they're doing let me right. Oh shit, I can

866
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: write like the songs like y'all gonna go to my ideas.

867
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: And because I've done my research, I know what publishing is.

868
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: I've never to this day done a publishing deal. If

869
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: I ever needed to go, get stuck in a prison

870
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: publishing deal. But it gets a few hundred thousand, I

871
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: can't have a lot in the pipeline.

872
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: Just turn around it for three months.

873
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: So we we I love that Dallas gave me freedom.

874
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: This time.

875
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: It's no Mommy, it's no Joyce Herby, It's just me

876
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: and Dallas. So he was like, what kind of song

877
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: you want to do. I'm like, everybody got a Snap song,

878
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: but you don't have an R and B one. So

879
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: the you should be My Girl was the first R

880
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and B Snap record, and you had like, excuse me,

881
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: cherished drop bears. It became the thing for a second,

882
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and then I had to fight him to put out

883
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: come with me because he was stuck on tempo. No,

884
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: we gotta keep him dance. I was like, I promise you,

885
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: we got to make them let it burn. We need

886
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: never write time to say goodbye. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

887
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm a crooner at the end of the day. So

888
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: I was like that, like, yeah, this is this is

889
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: right up my alley because this is about all I

890
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: can do. You know, Snapship, I'm not a dancer, not

891
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: a Mari in it, not Chris Brown in it. I

892
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: stay in my lane.

893
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 4: You do come with me, Charles the b Cox and

894
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: a diast Man.

895
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: You go shout out to Donalds and b Cox. And

896
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: then I felt back in the game because now I'm

897
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: back in the mix. I remember being in the crowd

898
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: of the screen tour and I was itching, like it

899
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: made me upset.

900
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: So you you went to go see that show to

901
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: motivate mine when you were in Florida or when you

902
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: got back to Atlanta. Noah, so once because that's a

903
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: different mindset.

904
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I went to the one in Atlanta. So

905
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say his name. Shout out to Malcolm. You

906
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: know I'm saying, because we made up right, he knew,

907
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: he knew, he knew that I'm a competitor, so and

908
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: he knew I had been out the loop for four

909
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: years in high school to no shows. I ain't been

910
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: in the gym, and like I have a routine in

911
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: artist mode. He said, I'm gonna take you to the

912
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: screen show. And I don't know if he took me

913
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: thinking I was gonna enjoy it, because I didn't. I

914
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: hate it being in that fucking crowd bro watching and

915
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't nothing to my ears. It was like I

916
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: imagine Michael Jordan just not playing ball, sitting in the crowd,

917
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: just sitting in the crowd, but knowing he knowing he

918
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: can do it with all of it.

919
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 2: Retired.

920
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unretired, Michael Jordan's watching basketball. I was like,

921
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: that's what I felt, watching my peers with these fucking

922
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: pyro and like girls going crazy, and I'm like, oh shit,

923
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: you motherfucker you I just got I got, I got hungry.

924
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I got hungry again. Next day, I'm in the gym.

925
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: Next day I'm back with marvelous running and singing at

926
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: the same time, getting my getting back into artists, like okay,

927
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: every day you have to live music. And then the

928
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: next wing tour. I've known it, and then that's just

929
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: how my life goes because then that's the same story

930
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: for the Millennium Tour. When the first Millennium Tour came out,

931
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, and I was like.

932
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Oh shoo, motherfuckers.

933
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then shout out to Gary He's and shout

934
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: out to Lloyd. Lloyd brought me out on his set

935
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: and the crowd went crazy and they were like Gary

936
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: and his team. They treated me like with the utmost

937
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: respect and loyalty and love ever and changed my life

938
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: and brought me on the next three And that's all

939
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: I wanted. All I wanted to know for myself was

940
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: that I mattered to my generation. I'm not the king

941
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: of nothing. I'm not the prince of R and B

942
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: and all that like jargon. No, I just wanted to

943
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: know that Sammy is forever imprinted with the millennials. And

944
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: as a thirty nine year old man now who's focused

945
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: are trying to get into real estate and business ventures

946
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: and diversify my portfolio. I'm at peace. There's nothing else

947
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm chasing. I've done everything that I've sought out to do,

948
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: and of this independent I've only had one major deal

949
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: that's the one that Dallas put the plug on. Even

950
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: when I signed back to Dallas for my sophomore project,

951
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: Rowdy just had an eighty twenty split distribution deal with Motown.

952
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: And I've learned that fast because I was wondering why

953
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get certain things that I got yeah before

954
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: label services.

955
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

956
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: See, it's different when you got three million, four million

957
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: dollar budget to where you got thousundred thousand dollars budget.

958
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: For sure, totally different looks that you're not gonna get.

959
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be where Chris is at.

960
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: But then the records gotta be rid and then yeah, then.

961
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: The records galla and that spot get correct correct. So

962
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: once I learned that, I was like, oh, I might

963
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: as well just sign myself to myself. Sammy will always

964
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: be Sammy, and I don't need you to write me

965
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: a hit. I could write it, I can produce it,

966
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I could record myself. And once I became so sufficient,

967
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: shout out to Troy Taylor for making me that.

968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you start working with Troy kiss me

969
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: through the phone. After kiss you know what, We're not

970
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: gonna go after Chris. We're gonna start.

971
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 4: We're gonna because Soldier Boy would.

972
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: Not shout out the soldiers you know what?

973
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: And I don't. Was he the first? I want him

974
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: to go on around about the podcast?

975
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Who was the first record?

976
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: Was he the first to make a song about uh

977
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: using technology to to court to make out? Yeah?

978
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: The first? I love soldiers. Soldier Soldiers changed my life.

979
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: And that's just my story. It's like, right when you.

980
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Count me out, something crazy, something just happens, but you

981
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: show up and you're ready know each other.

982
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: No, God, all my mind is all God, every every

983
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: every chapter from how I got the deal, I lost

984
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: the deal, How I got the second deal, How my

985
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: ex manager took everything from me, That's what that's that part.

986
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm just grinding right, Like I did a bad you know,

987
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: bad paperwork. He had access to my account, he took

988
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: all my money, took my credit card. He was co

989
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: signing on that bench that I had, so he took

990
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: that too. So now I'm like Sammy but broke, and

991
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like in the house writing and working on mixtapes.

992
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: This is I have a home, I got I got

993
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: ship to take care of. But you know, got to

994
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: figure out how to catch the next wave. So I'm cool, right,

995
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: now from just putting out mixtapes flooding the market. And

996
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I met Troy Taylor in short church. I was late

997
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: to church. He was late to church, so he's sitting

998
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: behind me. I don't know him, but I know the name.

999
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: He looked at me and was like, sorry to bother you,

1000
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: but are you saying And I was like, yes, sir,

1001
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm Troy Taylor. And I remembered the name because I'm

1002
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: a Trey Songs fan and I read credits. I was like,

1003
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: are you the Troy Taylor? He's like absolutely. He was like,

1004
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: what are you doing at the church? I said, what

1005
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: do you want to do? He was like, let's grab lunch.

1006
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: He takes me to lunch and he's like, what's going

1007
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: on with their career? And I was like, man, I

1008
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: give my whole story. My ex manager took everything. I'm

1009
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out. And he was like,

1010
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: all right, God put it on my heart to be

1011
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: in your life and I'm just going to help you.

1012
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: And he didn't give me nothing, He just made He

1013
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: gave me a studio space to come learn how to

1014
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: write good songs. Then great songs too. You're too singy,

1015
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: no personality, no swag too much swag, like I just like,

1016
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, Troy don't. He's not doctor. He's not impressed.

1017
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Sammy, do it over, do

1018
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: it over, and you had to do it eighty times

1019
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. So I

1020
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: can't fix it because he's not telling me. He put

1021
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: me through that for years. He was like, I was like,

1022
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: why are you never impressed? He was like, I'm trying

1023
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: to turn you into a person that can change their

1024
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: tide on their own. There's no budgets for you to

1025
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: go get the writers, the producers that you used to

1026
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: be working for correct. So what are you gonna do

1027
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: about it? You need to become a prolific songwriter. You

1028
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: need to know when it could be a better song.

1029
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: You need to know when it's not good enough. You

1030
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: need to know when that mix feels right for you.

1031
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: And then.

1032
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: I became an animal because each project, though always mixtapes,

1033
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: they got better, they got better, and then the other

1034
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: ones that I did was like EO, those was terrible. Yeah,

1035
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, why would I sing it like that? Why

1036
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: would write it like that? And I had to go

1037
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: to a video shoot. DJ Callen I'm trying to get

1038
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: like from Miami. I'm trying to get Miami roots on right.

1039
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: DJ Kalen has a video here with Ace Hood. This

1040
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: is how Soljier boy happens. I'm trying to meet DJ

1041
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: Khaled because I wanted him to see me. I want

1042
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: a politics for him, wanted him to see like y'all

1043
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: need a Florida.

1044
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 8: R and B.

1045
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Guy on the team never met the man to this day.

1046
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: But soldiers there too. And Soldier comes up to me

1047
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: and was like, yo, I have this song. My album's done.

1048
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: He just came up to me out of nowhere and

1049
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: go seeing I have this song. I sung the hook,

1050
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I sound bad. I need you to come do it.

1051
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm like absolutely, we exchange information. I'm so lost because

1052
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm actually like I don't know what me and Soldier

1053
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: could create because Soldier at this time really just had

1054
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: the dance. I'm like, he ain't never really do nothing

1055
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: for the girls. So I kind of just brush it

1056
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: off and I don't go for two weeks. Rush. I

1057
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't go immediately. I'm just like back to grinding that.

1058
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: He's just talking shit. He calls me, He's like, come

1059
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: to the studio. I was like, you're serious, all right,

1060
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: let me go.

1061
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: I go to the studio.

1062
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: I hear the demo. I don't know what's a smashed,

1063
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: but I know it's catchy as hell, and I'm like,

1064
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: I could do that. Yeah, get in the booth, baby,

1065
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: in and out. Still don't think nothing of it. I

1066
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: go down to Orlando for the holidays to see my

1067
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: mom for Thanksgiving, and they leak it on purpose. This

1068
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: is why he's the king of the Internet on YouTube.

1069
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: Because they were deciding where they're going to put this

1070
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: one out or a song he had with Sean Kingston out.

1071
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: They put this one out, and Collie Park called my

1072
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: phone and was where are you at, sir Orlando. He

1073
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: was like, I need you in Atlanta. Tomorrow's shooting video.

1074
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: You just got the single. I gotta go, got to go.

1075
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm back.

1076
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: I got another look at least. I don't know what's

1077
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: got to happen, but I'm tired of eating these ramen noodles.

1078
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like, I'm really like, don't got nothing,

1079
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm making three thousand dollar stretch. I knew I

1080
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: had a flight to catch and the style is there

1081
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: make me look like a star. Never I never was

1082
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: trying to look like what I was going through. And

1083
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: we do the video and I'll be goddamn if we

1084
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: ain't top three on the Top one hundred. Within a

1085
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: couple months doing Jay Leno Jimmy Kimmel Live one sixth

1086
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: in Park, I'm back and I'm on the hook. I'm

1087
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: getting booked now because that's the part they really want

1088
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: to hear. And now I'm in Montreal and I'm in Toronto,

1089
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: and I have no management at the time, so I.

1090
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: Would like email, you're the manager, Email.

1091
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: How you're talking to such and such and such good.

1092
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: I had a homie named Kennedy Grant, my nigga from

1093
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: high school. I was like, this is Kennedy Grant. I

1094
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: charged ten thousand plus Trown and Granville for this. He

1095
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: needs this for lodging hes two adulta fletch, preferably first class.

1096
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: If not, we'll do window seats. I'm doing all of this,

1097
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: and then my homie works a regular job. I would

1098
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: send him the thread once they're ready to make the contract,

1099
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: have him do the contract, and I'm like, I'll pay

1100
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: you ten percent if you come rock with me. I

1101
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: need representation when we go to these cities, I'll tell

1102
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: you what to do. It's easy. We just have to

1103
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: have ground. We just need hotels, and then we get

1104
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: to the show. We do the show. We can have girls,

1105
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: we can drink, you can do whatever you want to do.

1106
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: Just be my assistant. I did that for two years.

1107
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: Smart kiss me through the fucking pune. Brought me back.

1108
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Shout out to soldier.

1109
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: Boy, shout to soldier.

1110
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, sold soldier put so put me back in the game.

1111
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: And I knew. I just knew how to tread water.

1112
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: You feel me.

1113
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: I was just swimming still. But I was able to

1114
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: like get out of certain debts and and and pay

1115
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: some of my mortgages that I was behind for that

1116
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: because of that kick you out. I never lost my house.

1117
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: I lost a car. I've seen my car get pulled

1118
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: the way. I had a little Camaro. There, don't do it.

1119
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: I looked out the window, the niggas bro, this is

1120
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: how bad it was, you know, like it was. I

1121
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: was supposed to lose a car though I had two

1122
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: pit bulls at the time. So while I'm fucked up,

1123
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: I got two little fur babies at to take care of.

1124
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: What is it?

1125
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: What is that about? Because I'd be seeing like, howless

1126
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: people when they got dogs? And I'm like, cause you

1127
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: need a friend, how you're going through it? And and

1128
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: dogs and dogs are better than humans, you know what

1129
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So my dog bit like a little thing

1130
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: off my garage or my garage wouldn't go up or down.

1131
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: I know they're coming from my car. At some point,

1132
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: I can't even fight it. I thought about it. My dog.

1133
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: It was so it was God saying, let it go.

1134
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Something else you're gonna catch another way. So they come

1135
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: take my kmera bro. And I watched it like I

1136
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't trying to stop it. You watch out the window. Yeah,

1137
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: I had a master closet and had a window. You

1138
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: could see it right, And I sleep light. I hear, dude,

1139
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: that's what we think. I swear to God, brother, no

1140
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: fight in me. I didn't say. I didn't go out

1141
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: there and say stop it. That's me. I just watched

1142
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: him do it. My neighbor across the street was like,

1143
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: you know they I'm like, they fixing it. It won't

1144
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: start right. It's not an old leak. Don't don't make

1145
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: it loud. We're good. I know that. I don't make

1146
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: it loud. It's crazy just let it go.

1147
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: Bro.

1148
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: I had to learn, you know things, there's a certain there's.

1149
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: Certain moments that create a different kind of humility when.

1150
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: You do this ship Yeah, because this this is not

1151
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: it's not guaranteed, no, and and.

1152
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: And to do this it really takes everything you have,

1153
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 4: and it really takes.

1154
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes everything you have that you has a word, brother,

1155
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: it takes it.

1156
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: You preaching that you understand what I'm saying.

1157
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: That's broken. Broken, that's a word. Though. Where you at now?

1158
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: Rancho Kukum, Hey, hey, I've been I've been warned to

1159
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: tell him to stop. They said, stop saying that about

1160
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: your heartship throwing there.

1161
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: This is what was happening. This is what was happening.

1162
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: Rancho Cuckamonga was brand new, fresh and fly. I'm talking

1163
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: green Friday afternoon. They're talking like, hey, the mall, what's

1164
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: the mother outlet? Mall Ontario, Mills up the street, red

1165
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: lobster jumping. You see what I'm saying, Like, Racho cookamuk

1166
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: was fresh and and it wasn't expensive.

1167
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: That was your in your struggle.

1168
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: When I like my that two bedroom.

1169
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: Was like sixteen hundred, Yes, sir, yes, sir.

1170
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: I needed that. Racha Cuckamonga saved my life, Rancho, it's me.

1171
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: They okay, all right, it's me. What's the CC there?

1172
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: You go see my breakfast?

1173
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: Come on, it's me, dog sir, twenty five fitness.

1174
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: I just got it. Know I could jump. I dunk

1175
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: only him like a motherfucker. That's the singing na yeah

1176
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: watch out yeah yet but if they were, I sing

1177
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1178
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that was you. Was that time, bro? I don't know?

1179
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: Cars gone houses?

1180
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, brother. I had to write a letter of hardship

1181
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: to Wells Fargo to let them know why I was behind.

1182
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: I was four more to just behind. Remember, kiss me

1183
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: through the phone, just was letting me catch up. I

1184
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: still wasn't breathing. I told you I was treading water.

1185
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: A bank kicked me out, brother. They said you ain't

1186
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: got it, brother. I didn't even know what like insufficient

1187
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: amount of funds.

1188
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: It was.

1189
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: One day and that's what it said. I was trying

1190
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: to get I was trying to get gas. Yeah, gas

1191
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: before that, this is before repoke the car that I

1192
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: could not get the gas. See how so it just

1193
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: kept crumbling.

1194
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: I knew how to put one hundred dollars in the account.

1195
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm and then on the weekend go to different

1196
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: at ms and get that same hundred because they wouldn't

1197
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: count it until Monday, something like a bank. So by

1198
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: the time Monday.

1199
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Came the right city for using Atlanta. This is a scammer.

1200
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: I was scam four hundred.

1201
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but you're still up. Yes, sir, get out

1202
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 7: of here, Yes, sir, we know what you're doing.

1203
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: We're on to you.

1204
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Boy.

1205
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: That's that was my life. The music business.

1206
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: The music business.

1207
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: Business, it takes. And God is so merciful though, because

1208
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: look at it still look criving church. And then and

1209
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: then I know, I know it's God because then I

1210
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: catch another wave. We have something called social media. Now,

1211
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't need a deal for you to put me

1212
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: in front of millions of people, millions of people. I

1213
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: just have to just put out what we call it

1214
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: now content and I'm singing, and I will write songs

1215
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: live and just sing it and leave a little sample.

1216
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: If they like it, I'll continue. That was my thing

1217
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: I used to do. Twenty sixteen, June thirtieth, Never forget.

1218
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm in Captain D's drive through four mortgages behind and

1219
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: Captain D's I want to thank them for their terrible

1220
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: customer services day because they're moving so slow. But I

1221
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: had to eat, Like this is Captain D's is like

1222
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: a big deal for me because I'm eating ramen noodles

1223
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: and that sounds like a fish spot. You get three

1224
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: piece white and lemon pepper, rice cream, beans and corn.

1225
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: I love Captain De's, like I owe them my life too.

1226
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: They're taking too long and I'm running out of patience,

1227
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you know what. I pulled up a

1228
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: beat and I started humming and I started singing lyrics

1229
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I don't want to forget it.

1230
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: Put it on Instagram and I left it there and

1231
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: an hour later. This is the first time I've ever

1232
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: gone viral. My mom out of all people who's been

1233
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: disengaged for my career, because she never really liked that.

1234
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: I came back to it and he was like, you're

1235
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: all over my Facebook. What's going on? I'm like, what

1236
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: do you mean? And then my homegirl was like, you

1237
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: in the shave room and this is my first shave

1238
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: room experience. I'm like, oh my god, they know my

1239
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: car got rebolded. Thinking the worst ship, like I'm trying

1240
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: to think what did I do bad to be saved? No,

1241
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: it's me singing the song called I'm Him and I'm

1242
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: Just and you if you see the video, I'm sitting

1243
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: in my dining room and it's Captain D's behind me

1244
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: like that, like with a cup, and it's repost repost repost,

1245
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: these all the eight girls. It's like, Sandy is that

1246
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: like little Sandy. He still looks good, he still sounds good.

1247
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: We love him. And then my DMS, it's Empire in

1248
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: my DMS, and it's managers and like do you have management?

1249
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to do? Love? And hip Hop's all

1250
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: these things happening in one I'm talking about. I was

1251
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: like it was all this stuff and I was like,

1252
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: oh shit, if I do right by this, I can

1253
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: be back. Set up a studio session the next day

1254
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: for a listening party of what I had been creating.

1255
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: All these fans came documented it, and then I recorded

1256
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: that song that I left the idea of at the

1257
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: studio session, and we put it on SoundCloud. Fans didn't

1258
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: like the studio one because it wasn't sounding like the viral. Yeah,

1259
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't the problem, No problem, I'll go do it again.

1260
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: Get it right, do it again. Empire calls, they want

1261
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: me to do a single deal. I don't know Gazi,

1262
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know Nem at the time. Shout out to Rahia.

1263
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: She's the one that hit me. And I was, I

1264
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: gotta shoot for the stars. A single deal is not

1265
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: going to make me able to pay his mortgage. I

1266
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: need something else. Give me an EP deal. I promised.

1267
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: It was like, can you have EP done in six months?

1268
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: I said, it will be done in two weeks. They

1269
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: give me like a little bag nothing crazy. Just got

1270
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: me out the fire. Still can't go buy a car. Nothing,

1271
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: but I got a photo shoot, I got two videos,

1272
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: got all that coming. Their debuts top five on like

1273
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: Apple Music, and the streams was going crazy. And then

1274
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: they hit me and they say, we want to give

1275
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: you an album deal. Absolutely, y'all just gave me twenty

1276
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: bands for EP that I finished in two weeks. Can

1277
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: y'all give me one twenty five for the album? Hm hmm?

1278
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: They said yes. I called my manager at the time.

1279
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: Now I got a managers, you know, I'm like, you know,

1280
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: we underbid it. They didn't give us, no kickback, no

1281
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: no push back. Way. Yeah, if they gonna give me

1282
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: one twenty five. They probably gave me three hundred. You

1283
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to the two fifty. So I

1284
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: go back and I go like, I'm not trying to

1285
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: be greedy because I'm great for the one I got it.

1286
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna negotiate. You feel what I'm saying, because you

1287
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: get what you negotiat. So I'm not trying to be greedy.

1288
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get a feature of two. So I

1289
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: need you to open the budget up just so I

1290
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: can get Rick Ross.

1291
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 8: Okay, I get okay, ie homies, I need to be

1292
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 8: soldierbody come here so I can a little more so

1293
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 8: I could pay for some features too. Boom, they open

1294
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 8: it up two one seventy five, and I stayed there.

1295
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 8: I stayed one seventy five. Now I got an advanced

1296
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 8: I catch up on my mortgage.

1297
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got Rick Ross? For real? He did?

1298
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: You did get him?

1299
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay? All right, I manifested. I never met Ross, but

1300
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm from the crib. So somebody who knew him and

1301
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: I know made a call and was like, Ross said,

1302
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: come by the house. And it was the most gangster

1303
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: transaction I've ever done because I never met Ross. So

1304
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like yeah, So I'm thinking like this don't

1305
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: sound right. He was like, bring ten thousand cash. He's hargest,

1306
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: like thirty, but he's a you the Homie Home Team.

1307
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: Ten thousand cash. You're gonna play him the song on

1308
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: your phone and then you just leave. I said, what

1309
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: the fuck? Well, what I'm gonna do? This is Ross,

1310
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: It's an opportunity. He goes to Rick Ross's crib. This

1311
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: man is on a date in his house, the Big One,

1312
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: the Holy Fello. He's in a date and it's like, uh,

1313
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: movie theater is dark as shit. I can't even see him.

1314
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: I just see the weeds smokes. I'm like, follow the smoke.

1315
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: It's him with a beautiful thing watching TV. And I

1316
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: never met this man. And he was like, yo, saying,

1317
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: I remember what I think his name Slave, y'all know

1318
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Slav who rode with him. Slap goes the money first.

1319
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: I remember he said that. I remember that was the

1320
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: number one rule for this transaction is the money first.

1321
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: So I take the ten out of my pocket. I

1322
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: handed to him. Mind, he's on a date, so I

1323
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the next thing is. The press the

1324
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: press play on my phone. I pressed play twenty seconds ago.

1325
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: I love it slab, put him at the top of

1326
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: the list, get it back to him. He said that

1327
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: was it, walk out, and then two days later made

1328
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: back music. Got it back. Yeah, I said, got it

1329
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: wrong for ten cleared it everything, cleared it.

1330
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: Doing all of my transactions from now on.

1331
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: Money first, you just messed up, Yeah, and played played

1332
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: a little piece on the phone. You you just sweat.

1333
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: That's how my Rick Ross experience was. It was the

1334
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: really ship I ever.

1335
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 4: I was so nervous because all of my experiences is

1336
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 4: just too regular. People like Tank was great.

1337
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: We talked about music and you know, we got a

1338
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: song going and never never got a picture of some food.

1339
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: Never seen him again for real.

1340
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: No.

1341
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: I gave him ten thousand dollars. Yeah, put them on

1342
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,440
Speaker 1: top of the list and got it back to Amie

1343
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: and he said that, he said, seeing me, I got

1344
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: you like at libs and all that like and Ghazi

1345
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: like he liked how I made that work. I got

1346
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: DJ Luke Nasty and I got roll tem Me. I

1347
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: was like, I know, people, I just needed to be

1348
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: back in the mix. Yeah, And then that album did well,

1349
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: got another album deal after that. Now we're in the tunes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1350
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: and that's where the Tank comes into play. That's where

1351
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: my brother Tank twenty seventeen. Yeah, Savage Tour, Savage. Yeah.

1352
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: He's like, what's going on? He was like, what's going

1353
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: on with you? And I'm talking to Zina and you're like,

1354
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: we're going out tonight. I think we go to like

1355
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: Proof Bears, like party or something in the hills. And

1356
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,919
Speaker 1: you tell me you was dropping the album in September.

1357
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: I was dropping the album in September. And You're like,

1358
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm going on the Savage Tour. You want to come?

1359
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, absolutely, I'm tired of eating rumen noodles.

1360
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm tired of these burgers. You said it, you said this,

1361
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you. You said I'll make sure you

1362
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: never go back to those times. And you really brought

1363
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: me on tour. You let me do meet and greet,

1364
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: you let me. I was like calling you something like

1365
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 1: I can I sell merch. He's like, Sammy, stopped, stop

1366
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: acting like I'm not your brother. Do what you want

1367
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: to do. Actually take your shirt off of the girls

1368
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: because you're being too nice. Go crazy. It's the Savage

1369
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: Tour and that's where the Young Lion came from you.

1370
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 4: You allowed me to.

1371
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: That's my first tour in years since, like the screen tour.

1372
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: It's the Savage tool with you in seventeen and that's

1373
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: when the stars for my career started to align. I

1374
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: had just went viral, EP did well album deal and

1375
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna ask I had to hit guys

1376
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 1: him again. Hey can I get a little too support?

1377
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: Just just a little something, just a little will we'll

1378
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: ride it in.

1379
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you niggas had the NBNBS every night.

1380
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: Your niggas gonna party every night, every night we did

1381
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 3: every night.

1382
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 4: Come come fuck with us.

1383
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 7: We we.

1384
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Minutes away from the sad neighborhood, slave in the hood somewhere,

1385
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: but we got to pull in.

1386
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: I gotta.

1387
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: List.

1388
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 2: That was obvious.

1389
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: That was it. I appreciate you so much, and you

1390
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: and Troy Taylor were the first like who's Who's that

1391
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: reached back for me and gave me a chance to

1392
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: just show the peaceeople that you know, yes I still

1393
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: had it and yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't have to

1394
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: be signed to you. I didn't have to do this

1395
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: for you or you just did it because I still

1396
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: I still have the change. Actually in my book back

1397
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: in the other room that you gave me. I remember

1398
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: somebody asked me.

1399
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: It was like a.

1400
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: What have you learned? And I'm like, y'all don't understand

1401
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: what Tank is to me as an R and B artist.

1402
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: It's no chronological order, but my Mount Rushmore tanks on it.

1403
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: It's Usher, It's Stevie Wonder, It's Tank, It's r Kelly

1404
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: and then Honorable Mission Joe. Those are my literally people

1405
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: I as a child study and I wanted to write

1406
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: like Tank, who was writing these underdog like on that

1407
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: Underdog production, and then to to to know you and

1408
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: then for you to do me that solid without like

1409
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: like you said it and not being transactional. This is

1410
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: surreal to me. Like I get to sit in front

1411
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: of my brother Ja Valentine and Tank and just talk

1412
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: ship about my life. That's that's that's yeah, That's that's

1413
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be. Yeah, supposed to be. That's

1414
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: the dream, you know what I'm saying, So thank you

1415
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: brother anytime, because I haven't looked back since that tour

1416
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: turned into my own tour, then turn into Vibes on

1417
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: Vibes tour with Ericer, then that turned into three Millennium

1418
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: tour tours. I've been tour touring since. Yeah, so you

1419
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: did join the military events. Yeah, I've been traveling the

1420
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: world since. You put me back in front of the world.

1421
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 9: That was nice too, That was so fun doing doing

1422
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 9: doing the tours and seeing the kids and Zina and

1423
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 9: and then you know when we, like you said, we

1424
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 9: partied every night.

1425
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: It was just if you were willing to come fifty

1426
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: two minutes away at the B and B. Remember, yeah,

1427
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: we party every We was really in a van too,

1428
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: really DJ A one sko and that's all I needed.

1429
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: And I would tell you, nigga, yep, don't don't hold back,

1430
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: You're not no opener niggas.

1431
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 4: Correct, correct, cook cook these niggas.

1432
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: And you put me back in those venues. And then

1433
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: that ship took me to Arenas again. I just I

1434
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 1: always wanted to tell you, thank you to the world,

1435
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: like I know you know that I think you. But

1436
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you, I don't think that the

1437
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: stream of tours that came after that, they saw that.

1438
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: They saw the reaction for sure, and to be able

1439
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: to tour with a tank who plays and you probably

1440
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: out your shirt by second song, you know, what I'm saying. Okay,

1441
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: you know that's pressure you gotta really like and you

1442
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: can sing your ass off, so you really I think

1443
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: that's the only time I felt like, Oh ship because

1444
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: Tanks coming next. You know what I'm saying, He's the

1445
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: main event. I want them to still remember that I

1446
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: was there these other ones that I've been on. Is like,

1447
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: I know I belonged because that's my generation, that's my time.

1448
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: This one was every night I had to I might

1449
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: take a shot after before I go on stage. Is

1450
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: not good. I need to make sure I hit these

1451
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: notes because yeah, because Tank is coming, yes, sir, and

1452
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: I love the pressure. I love the opportunity. So thank

1453
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: you brother.

1454
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: Anytime speaking of pressure, the pressure you are applying on

1455
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: versus my god.

1456
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Hey man, I want to ask you what

1457
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: I asked you about. Yeah, you's so mad. I wasn't mad.

1458
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 1: That's the thing. When you spent a lifetime being the

1459
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: nice guy, that's all people think you are. I'm a

1460
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: tree hugger for real, like ground God is love, peace,

1461
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: light and love. Hey queen hi King, Yeah you sent

1462
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: me be that. Yeah I was, I was.

1463
01:15:59,400 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: I was.

1464
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1465
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: Listen.

1466
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so for that night, that one night, just

1467
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: that one night, we were allowed to compete. R and

1468
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: B isn't a competitior don't even see us that No,

1469
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: like you we we can't have a sing off for real,

1470
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: that's not what is a Yeah what is that? See

1471
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if you was a rapper I was,

1472
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: we can go. Since there we go. So that was

1473
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: my first time understanding that. One I get to like

1474
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: pop my ship and I could back it up. And

1475
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going through my mind. Right.

1476
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: There were times where I have done shows and I

1477
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: won't say no names because it's not personal, but I've

1478
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: seen artists fake like they had a stomach ache right

1479
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: because they didn't want me to go on after them.

1480
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: I've heard people say that Sammy's not bigger than me

1481
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: and he should go before me. I come from child development,

1482
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: where like well, artists development rather where they say, you

1483
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: don't want to go before me, but you definitely don't

1484
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: want to go after me, so it doesn't matter where

1485
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: I go. And I took it on the ten like pause,

1486
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: years after years after years, like people shit on my

1487
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: name in my gift when I'm the pioneer of the movement, like,

1488
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: have some respect. Y'all didn't do it ninety percent independent.

1489
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: I know if I had the same budget and same

1490
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: push that y'all had of the button, I'd be in

1491
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: a different light. But I love where I am because

1492
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm always where God wants me to be. So for

1493
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: this one night where millions of people are watching it,

1494
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: I am going to bully y'all. We had the biggest

1495
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: versus still today. Seven million people watched that, and I

1496
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: wanted to just cause chaos on purpose. I knew, Yeah,

1497
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew who is that? Yeah, I knew.

1498
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: I knew, like I could cause it and make it

1499
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: a ship show because that's big Sam. And then also

1500
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Melinda our manager and ray J credit.

1501
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: We also planned right chaos. Ray J called me one

1502
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: day before we got to LA and was like, they're

1503
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: expecting you to be the nice guy. I can't mess up,

1504
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: so you need to do something and you be the

1505
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: bad guy. And from that day that's when I started

1506
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: learning how to troll the internet. I went on Live. Yeah,

1507
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: I went on Live, and I talked shit for the

1508
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: first Like I knew it was gonna do this because

1509
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: I'd never done it. I knew people was gonna be

1510
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: like this. Niggas like lost his mind. He might be drunk,

1511
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: he might be on drugs, something's wrong with him. No, y'

1512
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: always expected me to just do and just act like

1513
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here when I knew I belonged

1514
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: to be here. And actually, I'm gonna make sure for

1515
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: the rest of your lives. You know that Big Sam

1516
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: was at the versus. It was so much fun to

1517
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: just be free, be my Florida boy self. That's how

1518
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: I pop shit. When we play basketball, like I'm talking

1519
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: shit soon as you not on my team. Oh you,

1520
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to get in your head like

1521
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: I think you shoot shoot it. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1522
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: do it, win, lose or draw. I'm gonna talk shit.

1523
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: We can play Madden. I'm gonna talk shit. We can

1524
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: play chess. I'm very competitive. And this was the first

1525
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: time as an artist you could show it. I could

1526
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: show it, and I knew I was gonna beat that.

1527
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: I knew. I mean, it's me and pleasure against RAJ

1528
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: and Bob and ray J. Also, he took it too far. See,

1529
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know now we're like truly brothers and I've

1530
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: mastered how to ray J Rayja. He loves that and

1531
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: hates it at the same time, but we do it

1532
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: all the time. It's fun. I know right now how

1533
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: to get the Internet to be confused about what's going on.

1534
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do that And ray J

1535
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: kept calling me little Sammy on live he's been back before.

1536
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: I was getting a tattoo, get getting ready to pack

1537
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: from my flight to LA and he was like, little Sammy,

1538
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,839
Speaker 1: you don't got more hiss than me, brother, Little Sammy.

1539
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: Then his DJ was kept, is that little Sammy he

1540
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: thinks he's supposed to be on the stage. And that

1541
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: is where Big Sam in my mind was birthed. I said,

1542
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: you call me little Sammy one more time, it's gonna

1543
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: be a problem. And then that's where the energy came from.

1544
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: And now we've been fighting since. That's where I just

1545
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: got tired of the little Sammy shit.

1546
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: Bro.

1547
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: It was like, stop called me that. And I wasn't mad.

1548
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: It was more so like, if this is gonna be

1549
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. That was the biggest stage

1550
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: I've ever been on, seven million people. I never performed

1551
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: in a place where there was seven million people watching.

1552
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: This is my time to increase my bags. And it

1553
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: took me from that five thousand dollars to show the

1554
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, you do that five times a month, that's

1555
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: a hundred. We're cool there, good, we're cool. We're cool there.

1556
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: And then it did it. It started everyone saw like

1557
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: an animal in me, but also an entertainer in me. Yeah,

1558
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: it's bigger. It's bigger than who's this best singer, who's

1559
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: the best writer? No, for sure. The more it seems

1560
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: and this is the weirdest thing, the more chaos that

1561
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 1: they talk about me into the world, I'm more booked.

1562
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: Baby Mama crashed out. Don't say me again. She'll be

1563
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: fine in real life, Like we're gonna talk. But I

1564
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: don't like it. I hate it because that's not who

1565
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I am. I'm a private person and I don't like

1566
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: people to fame in my character and who I am

1567
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: as a man and myegrity and my morals and my ethics.

1568
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: But you don't control what people do, and people just

1569
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: like chaos. If I just put a video out, it's

1570
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: not on the Same Room, it's not on Hollywood Unlocked.

1571
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: It's out on neighborhood talk. But if I say I

1572
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: beat ray J up. They talked about that for five

1573
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 1: days everywhere.

1574
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like in this week they

1575
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 4: have another fight.

1576
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. It's the nature of.

1577
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: This new beast.

1578
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: It's the content business. It's not the music.

1579
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: And if you know how to manage it correct and

1580
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 2: use it as a tool, and use it as the

1581
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 2: tool that it is, because it is the it's it's

1582
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: just that box is just entertainment.

1583
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 4: That's it.

1584
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: That's all it is. It's not real, it's just it's

1585
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: just a moment.

1586
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: But it can have a real effect, correct, right if

1587
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 2: you do or don't know how to use it absolutely and.

1588
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: Clearly know how.

1589
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all know how to use it in that and

1590
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 3: y'all turned it into another business. Yeahs now created r

1591
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 3: s v P.

1592
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah rs VP. Shout out to ray J, Shout out

1593
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: to Valin, shout out to Pleasure P. That's been the

1594
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had in my life. Finally in

1595
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: the group again, back to yeah that versus did that right?

1596
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Somebody hit Bobby up about

1597
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: the name and that just made perfect sense, Like that

1598
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: just fell in our lap. And then uh man, you

1599
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: put four soloists real and I know you know this

1600
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: because TGT, but you put four soloists in the group

1601
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: like us, it's just magical chaos completely every time. And

1602
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: it's not that's not played. It's just it's just that

1603
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: same energy that y'all saw on versus Now it's the

1604
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: same energy at a photo shoot or a show, or

1605
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: a session or a video shoot. I prayed for Melinda.

1606
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's well, which to me, as I told you,

1607
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: guys still haven't capitalized though.

1608
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: We haven't. No, no, we haven't been because it's just

1609
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: hard to get because because ultimately that's what it don well,

1610
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: it's that that's the over everybody. That's like the.

1611
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: Title, right, that's the title. But then ultimately all of

1612
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 2: you guys are ultimate competitors, and nobody's going to totally

1613
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 2: submit and give way. Again, I've done this. Everybody has

1614
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: been successful their way, correct, They just have for so long.

1615
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: You fought through so much to get your ship the

1616
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: way you got it. Nigga, I'm telling you, nigga, this

1617
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: is trust me, nigga, Nigga, you ain't like it and

1618
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: then it goes away from music. The it is somewhere else, like, nigga,

1619
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: look at your stomach, nigga, Nigga, get out of there,

1620
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: because you've been there.

1621
01:24:59,600 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: So much.

1622
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, God, there's a way to do

1623
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: this we need and I threw it out there. I

1624
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 2: was like, guys, I can help, there's a way to

1625
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 2: do this, but you guys can just cuss me out.

1626
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: Cuss me out, don't cuss each other out. It's like,

1627
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: but it's different because because what I offer is just

1628
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: something different in terms of experience, right and in terms

1629
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 2: of what I've done correct you know what I mean.

1630
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 2: So to get all four of you to say, hey,

1631
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: just think about this, think about these four things. Let's

1632
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 2: figure it out. Let's come to an understanding of what

1633
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: this is. Because I can just articulate differently correctly from

1634
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: the from the lens in the stage that I've been on.

1635
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: And the other thing is I don't make nothing from it.

1636
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: I don't have a dog in the race. We just

1637
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: want to see you niggas go crazy.

1638
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're four years removed from that versus right

1639
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 1: to where we still have the still still.

1640
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, still, there's nobody else in that space and you

1641
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: got you can, and I think.

1642
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: What I pray, I'm not gonna say. I think I'm

1643
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: just gonna pray that we get it together because it's

1644
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: just magic. Every show sold out. We can go record

1645
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: for records, record, it's two hours there. You know what

1646
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying in the Pandemic, it's actually it's dope to

1647
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: see pandemonium.

1648
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: It's there.

1649
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just we we do be bullshitting. It's like

1650
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: you got four badass kids, and I'm putting myself in

1651
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: it because I've become bad and it's group, you know,

1652
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: like I've become you know, I'm saying, I've become whatever

1653
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: you thought I was supposed to be. On the Savage

1654
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: to it, I am now. I can't get out of it.

1655
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: I can't get out. I'm trying to get out.

1656
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: You are having the time.

1657
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: I am trying to get out of it because I

1658
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: want to, like my real self. I'm going to just

1659
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: be out the way, peaceful, my gray Beard go fishing.

1660
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: But that's just not what is happening right now for me. Hurricane.

1661
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 4: You just you know, you know, you know, Boosy took

1662
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 4: Gray Jay fishing.

1663
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: See, and now I'm pissed about that. Yeah, I want

1664
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: to go fishing. I got attitude because why did I

1665
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: get the call Boosy?

1666
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: We had a vibe we're gonna be mad together. I'm

1667
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 2: gonna take that Boosy.

1668
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: All right the group. I'm gonna I'm gonna put this

1669
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: in the chat that Tank wants to have us sit

1670
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: down so we can get organized, and we're gonna see

1671
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: who replies and see if we can do it for real.

1672
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: And I just want to do it one time, like

1673
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: one beautiful album, one beautiful tour, and then we can

1674
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: break up. I said that all the time.

1675
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 2: It only takes one. But what's going to happen is

1676
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 2: break up when you get it right and you see

1677
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: the benefits of it.

1678
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean we love each other though that

1679
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: we we just we just we do just have to.

1680
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: It's so hard to get four people to agree on

1681
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: one thing. I'm talking about, like an outfit I'm talking

1682
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: about we argue about y'all don't know what TGT do.

1683
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: We argue about everything, and that's the outfit. The song,

1684
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: what time we recording the song, who's going to be

1685
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: at the session, because if that's the person's not coming

1686
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: at That's how I became bad. I came in structured,

1687
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: like all right, I'd be called that seven. I'm now

1688
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: six thirty until ray J is not even in the

1689
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: same state, Like where's ray J even at we go

1690
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: on in thirty minutes?

1691
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Where is he even at?

1692
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Pleasure is at the strip club? Bobby is with the ladies,

1693
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there with Melinda, like see what

1694
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1695
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

1696
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: It's just stressing me out. And then that's where I

1697
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: became bad. Now now I start being like I'm not

1698
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: coming down there is until ray J's album, and then

1699
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: we can and if ray J is not down, I'm

1700
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: going to stay up or catch me at the bar.

1701
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: And then now we're a bad group. But late then

1702
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: we're arguing about the who goes first? Well, we'll literally

1703
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: argue like who's gonna do the first song? And then

1704
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: know when I say I'll go first, then guess what happens.

1705
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: You're just trying to go first because J is like, no,

1706
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I'll go first because one wish is bigger than I

1707
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: like it. And now we're fighting about that with Mike's

1708
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: in our hands, and.

1709
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: Guess what cures that? An album? Yeah, because now nobody

1710
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 2: has to go first. The group goes first.

1711
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: But that's what ended up happening. Two, we just all

1712
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: go out there together. That's the crazy part. We do

1713
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: all of that ship the late lobby called late to

1714
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: the rehearsals, and then we all go out there together

1715
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: and have a fucking blash in his magic. So why

1716
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: were we fighting to begin with? Like, no one stands

1717
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: on the fight. It's just just how we come. So

1718
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: if you do come to the r VP world, just

1719
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: know with all the mess all of you.

1720
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just coming to the show, all of you

1721
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: to be talented, man, is it? Yeah, it's you to

1722
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 3: be talented. Yeah, you know it's the people walk.

1723
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: M Sam's here, man, Big Sam is in the motherfucking building.

1724
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: Come on, sang, Big Sam. People want this information from you, man.

1725
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: H think I know where you're going.

1726
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: Oh they're excited. Oh you hear those vocals. That's he's

1727
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 2: gonna tell us where he got those vocals from the

1728
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: songs and the artists that created the template for Big Sam.

1729
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 2: We like to call that what we call your.

1730
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Top f.

1731
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 4: Your top five, top five, your top.

1732
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Five R and B singer.

1733
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 2: R and B songs.

1734
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 4: Song we got too now we are girl, follow this

1735
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 4: show else you yaes top.

1736
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Top five RMB songs you.

1737
01:31:55,360 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: Five, yeah, top five, Big Sam? Yeah, man, your top

1738
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: five R and B song R and B singers, singers, singers,

1739
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1740
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: It's easy for me. Okay, wait a minute, actually, because

1741
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: singers not our singers, singers. It's a difference.

1742
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 4: There's a difference, and it's your world. However you want

1743
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 4: to frame.

1744
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: It, singers. I'm gonna frame it then this way, Luke James,

1745
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: because I'm going this way. Yeah, this ship, kick it off.

1746
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: Aby Wilson, Yeah, yeah, act right, act right. Kevin Ross Yeah.

1747
01:32:54,640 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 2: Big a so called. Yeah, Kevin Ross is stupid.

1748
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: Tank, Come on now, Usher, ramon Nigga.

1749
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 4: That da that's my five.

1750
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: That's my five. That's my five. That list is vocal perfection,

1751
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: yeah man, Aby Wilson, Kevin Ross, Tank.

1752
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 4: Usher, Raymon, Miss. I'm just happy to be the number.

1753
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, true true vocalist, always ready. The different variations,

1754
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Uh, very diverse, polished, but

1755
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: not too much. Everyone to me so like they have soul.

1756
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I like when you can pierce the spirit of people.

1757
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: That's that's that church. That's that anointedness of it. So, yeah,

1758
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,480
Speaker 1: that's my five singers.

1759
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 2: Top five R and B songs.

1760
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going, Wow, that's that's my Seria more Stevie

1761
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 1: wonder you might as well. That's why. Yeah, doing Shameless

1762
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: Plug my first number one as a songwriter. Next Breath

1763
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 1: about Tank, Yeah we got number one just because that

1764
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: was a record that when I did it, I had

1765
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: told Kevin McCall and shout out to Micah also that

1766
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: night that the only other person I could hear doing

1767
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: it was Tank. And this is before like I even

1768
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: knew that it was going to the record. Yeah, next Breath,

1769
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: you got it bad an amazing pressure right now because

1770
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: that's when, to me, like you could see something changing

1771
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: in his career and the relationship at the time with

1772
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: Chili and just Usher was becoming his Michael Jackson, I

1773
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: saw it with that record. I can't say it's the song,

1774
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: but the full Moon album. Full Moon Album a classic

1775
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: piece of work, absolutely, and uh, this would be okay,

1776
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: we got you know this is a curve ball.

1777
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 3: But for me, Uncle Sam, huh, come on, I never

1778
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 3: want to see you again. Come on, and Nate Morris

1779
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 3: for writing that who But I was like thirteen baby

1780
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 3: back of the car like heart, Like who did this

1781
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 3: to me?

1782
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 2: Nobody? I didn't get signed two Boys to Men because

1783
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: of that record, that record right there to this day,

1784
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 2: Like I get it, I.

1785
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: Smash.

1786
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 2: Let's make a vulture on your super R and B artist.

1787
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 2: Who are gonna get the vocal from performance style, the

1788
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 2: styling of the artists, the passion of the artist. And

1789
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: since you write motherfucking songs, who's gonna write form what vocal?

1790
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 2: One vocal in history to make your super R and

1791
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 2: B artist?

1792
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: We're still going to lose James's I love his voice.

1793
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: I just love I just love them.

1794
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 2: I love around with Lucas He's like that. I just

1795
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: love Luke James performing style, Chris Brown, why not quickly

1796
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: Chris Brown styling?

1797
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: I love ushers fashion fly, He's been flying cool his

1798
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:16,719
Speaker 1: whole career.

1799
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,959
Speaker 4: Let him work, Let him work. The passion of an artist, passion,

1800
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 4: we feel it.

1801
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: You know what dead or alive passion is? Marvin Gay Hmm.

1802
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: I love Marvin. Marvin was a church boy that turned

1803
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: into like a party boy and was like really balancing himself,

1804
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 1: but he created the most and let himself go because

1805
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 1: he was he was so cool, but he was so

1806
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: soft spoken, he was so articulate, but he was in church,

1807
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 1: but he still was a ladies man. So I think

1808
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: that swag is Marvin Gay who's writing for this artist,

1809
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: Stevie wonder Ship, Steve wanted just a hell of her

1810
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: songwriter sation Peace album. You mean he can talk about politics,

1811
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: you can talk about world things and you know what,

1812
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: honorable miss R Kelly songwriter. Also because he's to me,

1813
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: the most diverse writer of all time time, the most

1814
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: diverse songwriter of all time, King of R and B himself.

1815
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: R Kelly, I'm not gonna argue with you because he

1816
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: can do a hook with j Z and you take

1817
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: it seriously. You believe it.

1818
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 2: He can do.

1819
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm a flirt. He can definitely do bedroom music, but

1820
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: he can write. I believe I can fly. He can

1821
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: do you not alone, the world's greatest. So yeah, it

1822
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: was on my.

1823
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Okay, great brother, you have one more thing for you.

1824
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: Let you go, man. I know you know this song.

1825
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: Saying no names. Ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names.

1826
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 2: I ain't saying.

1827
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 1: What you did.

1828
01:37:58,400 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: Don't say she.

1829
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 3: Names Steven with your ass for that last note. That's

1830
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 3: live your ass man, tell him get all right. So

1831
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 3: now we're are My favorite part of the show, very

1832
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 3: important segment. Will you tell us a story? Funny or

1833
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 3: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only rule

1834
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 3: to the game. It's big Sam, Yes, sir, I can't

1835
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: say no names.

1836
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: I can't say no names. What kind of fucked up?

1837
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: It's my favorite whatever. When they came to get your car,

1838
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:46,919
Speaker 1: that was fucked up, that was up. I got myself

1839
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: into a like a like a situation ship by messing

1840
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: with someone that's dear to me. I guess we would say,

1841
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: like like client, employee. And I wasn't supposed to mess

1842
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: with this person out of respect for this person. And

1843
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a secret, like we're like

1844
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: quiet about it is it's tour. And then the word

1845
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 1: started to get out, and then it caused quite the

1846
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: stir with that person, and uh, this is fucked up.

1847
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Now it's no funny part of the story, but it's

1848
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: just so fucked up, and I just I just feel

1849
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: bad about it, you know what I'm saying. Because I

1850
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't understand the severity of the boundaries in which I crossed,

1851
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: and I would like to take this time to apologize

1852
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 1: to the person without saying their names, and yeah and yeah,

1853
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: I just shouldn't mess with that girl, not knowing or

1854
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: knowing the severity of the relationship. The m hmm, that

1855
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: wasn't me, that was Tito's. I drink Tito's and I've

1856
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: since been banned.

1857
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: You've been banned from Tito from.

1858
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: Tito's from that tour because I would wake up and

1859
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 1: get like Tito's for breakfast and it is yeap spiral.

1860
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going into this situationship.

1861
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: There you go, and to the person that I offended

1862
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: by creating best situationship and causing an uproar on tour,

1863
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: that was fucked up. I should have did it. I'm sad.

1864
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: I will never do the game.

1865
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 4: Look at you taking accountability. Sorry to blame some of

1866
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 4: it on, blame it on that.

1867
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: But that was the foundation with you and together, that

1868
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: was the foundation of my spirals. You and I got

1869
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: bucked up. Yes, I did a fucked up thing, and

1870
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: there's no you know, way to fix it because what

1871
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 1: happened happened. But here on the R and B Money podcast,

1872
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: you are apologizing for my fucked up situation and behavior

1873
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: during that time. Good job, I feel good saying that

1874
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: we're proud of you. Yeah.

1875
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 2: Big Sam apologizes, apologizes as well. Yes, right doing gangster ship. Yeah,

1876
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 2: I like it. I think you have won me over,

1877
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 2: nigga Big Sam. Is it? I'm in brother, Big Sam.

1878
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.

1879
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 4: I just want to say, man, we love you first

1880
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 4: and foremost so much.

1881
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 2: We will we have your back. Thank you, one hundred

1882
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 2: two thousand percent. We are ten toes down for you

1883
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: whatever whenever. However, Yes, yes, we are proud of you.

1884
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, because you know, even the things that you

1885
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 2: can't say here, you know that we all understand that

1886
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be said. Man, You've you fought through

1887
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: it all.

1888
01:41:58,160 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm keep fighting one day, that's all, you know

1889
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1890
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:04,919
Speaker 2: And and you've persevered. And my brother, you've been preserved.

1891
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 2: I say this. I told my mom this. I was like,

1892
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: you've been preserved for a time such as this. I

1893
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 2: received that, you know what I'm saying. Yes, sure, sure,

1894
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 2: I've been preserved. I received that for this moment because

1895
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,679
Speaker 2: it's just so many have burnt out as a result

1896
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 2: of what they've been through. Man, talk about it, brother,

1897
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 2: you got a new energy about you.

1898
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, freshness.

1899
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I can't be stopping honestly, because

1900
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: I've been through it all. You can't scare me. I

1901
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: ain't surprised another day in the office.

1902
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 2: Take the car.

1903
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: I've seen that before.

1904
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 2: Take it. Take the house. Yeah well no, you kept

1905
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 2: your house. That's just met it, got it, got it.

1906
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1907
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: But yes, sir, we love you, thank you, I appreciate you,

1908
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: and anytime.

1909
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: This was hard to get here for a little time,

1910
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:58,480
Speaker 1: and it's always.

1911
01:42:59,200 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

1912
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Tank, I'm Ja Valentine and this is.

1913
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 2: The Rmy Money Podcast, the authority on all things R

1914
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: and B. Yes, sir, that was Sammy. That's right. This

1915
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 2: is big Sam.

1916
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. Treat the same