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Speaker 2: news cap NewsCap. Cardinals reaffirmed Kyler Murray as their franchise
Speaker 2: quarterback of ahead of twenty twenty four free agency. There
Speaker 2: was speculation that the Cardinals might move on from Kyler
Speaker 2: and use their high first round draft pick on a
Speaker 2: courtquarterback this year, but they put that into bed today.
Speaker 2: They posted a photo of Kyla on their Twitter accounts,
Speaker 2: saying our franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: The NFL had jokes because.
Speaker 2: Previously or Infatsment Emphasim infamously posted a on their team
Speaker 2: social media page. In twenty nineteen, they posted a picture
Speaker 2: of Josh Rosen said Josh is our guy. Do you
Speaker 2: like Arizona putting their faith in Kyler Murray?
Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. Obviously, I think they were
Speaker 1: on the right track. I think Kyler Murray was on
Speaker 1: the right track barring injury. Obviously he got hurt. Listen
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three ADS seventeen ninety nine, ten tds,
Speaker 1: five interceptions. He only played eight game. He was three
Speaker 1: and five of the start. He's a two time Pro Bowler,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Offensive Rookie of the Year. He just signed
Speaker 1: a multi year contract, five year, two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: million extension in twenty twenty two. They definitely letting him
Speaker 1: go right now. They definitely not letting him go this
Speaker 1: early in his career, and we can see. I think
Speaker 1: what they need to do is put some pieces around him, though.
Speaker 1: They need to put some pieces around him. If you're
Speaker 1: serious about winning and if he is your franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: you need to do due diligence, not just not just
Speaker 1: to that fan base, but for Kyler Murray so he
Speaker 1: can be productive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're definitely gonna have to get some better office
Speaker 2: and some better line played to protect him. Obviously, he
Speaker 2: can have to do a better job of protecting himself.
Speaker 2: But a lot of times, excuse me, guys, a lot
Speaker 2: of times quarterbacks that.
Speaker 3: Are mobile are the most sacked.
Speaker 2: Look at Randall Cunningham, look at Cam Newton, look at
Speaker 2: Mike Vick, look at Lamar Jackson, look at your quarterback.
Speaker 2: Because while they do possess an innate ability to get
Speaker 2: out of harm's weight, a lot of times they run
Speaker 2: themselves into harm's weight. They'll escape something on the front
Speaker 2: side only to run themselves into trouble on the backside.
Speaker 2: And sometimes they put too much confidence in their ability.
Speaker 2: So that's not abnormal to have a quarterback as mobile
Speaker 2: as Kyler to get sacked a lot, because what we've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of mobile quarterbacks are very very high
Speaker 2: and sacked total. Steve Young got sacked, got sacked the butt.
Speaker 2: But you gotta you gotta be able to uh And
Speaker 2: I think you know you're right, oh, Joe. I mean
Speaker 2: I think he missed what he missed the first eight games,
Speaker 2: not seven eight games because he was coming off an
Speaker 2: aco injury. Can he get back to what he once
Speaker 2: was because his injury was a freak injury. He was
Speaker 2: scrambling in an open field non contact boom Nie gives
Speaker 2: out on it. But he's a phenomenal talent. But you
Speaker 2: just would need to make sure that football is a priority,
Speaker 2: because I don't care what anybody says, O Joe, you
Speaker 2: don't put that he has to study X amount of
Speaker 2: hours away from the facility if you believe he's doing
Speaker 2: what he needs to do away from the facility.
Speaker 1: I think they shouldn't have put that in there because
Speaker 1: you already know in order to play at this level,
Speaker 1: in order to achieve greatness at this level, there's a
Speaker 1: certain amount of time you have to put in.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Obviously Kyler Murray being a gamer similar to high MD
Speaker 1: at times, even as a quarterback, regardless of position. Regardless
Speaker 1: of the position that you play, there is a certain
Speaker 1: thing called me time. So what you choose to do
Speaker 1: in your downtime at home. As far as but Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: he likes.
Speaker 3: The game you want to be.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you can't be great and playing and
Speaker 1: play video games?
Speaker 2: How great do you want to be? How much video
Speaker 2: games you think Patrick Mahoonmes play? How much video game
Speaker 2: do you think he played?
Speaker 3: The first thing?
Speaker 2: Oh show for them to put that in his contract
Speaker 2: you do realize when you pick up the I pay
Speaker 2: home on, when you pick up the I Pad, you
Speaker 2: do know they can see how much tape you watch right, You.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that, didn't you. Yeah, of course, of course
Speaker 1: I know that. But I'm saying I'm sure he's I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's putting in the ass.
Speaker 2: Clearly they didn't think so, or they wouldn't have added
Speaker 2: that if that was a if you doing what you say,
Speaker 2: why you sign it?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, if you think he wasn't doing it, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay him money you paid him.
Speaker 3: That's why I put that in his contract. You see.
Speaker 1: That that that for one that's doing a little too
Speaker 1: much on their part. Well, I got to take my.
Speaker 3: Basket, but I want to make sure you do it
Speaker 3: with your spot ojo.
Speaker 1: If you're paying him for a reason, the reason you
Speaker 1: paid him is because you know he's good at what
Speaker 1: he does. Now, I wanted to get better, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: you're right, I got you.
Speaker 2: I gotta go work for any business. You don't think
Speaker 2: ESPN got a morality clause. You don't think these these
Speaker 2: companies have moraley, I'm playing you x amount of nobels
Speaker 2: and you think I'm gonna let you do whatever you
Speaker 2: want arbitrarily and not have my face is covered.
Speaker 1: We talked about playing video games at home and the
Speaker 1: company your own home.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there are certain parameters because I need protection.
Speaker 2: So in other words, I've got to put this in
Speaker 2: here because what I've noticed is that you're not studying enough,
Speaker 2: o Jo.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what's funny is the fact
Speaker 1: that somebody, I'm not sure who it is, it was
Speaker 1: just fans that were that were able to track when
Speaker 1: he was online. And the fact that they're that they're saying, oh, look,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's online because they knew his gamer tag or
Speaker 1: whatever it might have been. And the fact that they
Speaker 1: keep posting it and posting and posting it. That's the
Speaker 1: reason they put it in there, because the NFL had
Speaker 1: no way of knowing if you online gaming or not.
Speaker 3: Joe. It ain't about the NFL. It's about the team.
Speaker 1: When you mean the team, I'm sorry, im sorry, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean owner paying it can tell you how much
Speaker 2: film you watch for the week, and him being a quarterback.
Speaker 3: The hours didn't match. Hours don't match, O Joe.
Speaker 2: In order, there's a price to be paid for greatness
Speaker 2: and pretend. Everybody says, I want to be great, But
Speaker 2: are you doing everything it takes to be great?
Speaker 1: You know what he you know what he had to
Speaker 1: do to even get to this point. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: knows what to take.
Speaker 3: I had to do something to get to this point,
Speaker 3: O Joe. So what it.
Speaker 1: Showed, it showed wasn't luck. No show wasn't Look have
Speaker 1: you seen calamary play? Have you seen his high school footage?
Speaker 2: Have you seen what he did in NFL that wasn't
Speaker 2: good in high school?
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't good in high school because.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't got scholars You wouldn't have got a scholarship,
Speaker 2: no matter what if the n A I, A Division III,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Juco, I think, I think to me, to me, honestly,
Speaker 1: honestly at the quarterback position and understanding what it entails
Speaker 1: and knowing what it takes for a quarterback to even
Speaker 1: insult him with that clause with a bunch of bullshit,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that That's how I feel. It was insulting.
Speaker 1: It was insulting and embarrassing.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't It wasn't insulting. For him that the
Speaker 2: iPad was showing that he wouldn't put the hours in.
Speaker 2: Why you keep saying the iPad because that you ever
Speaker 2: noticed how you be thinking of something and your phone
Speaker 2: and your phone will tell you what you're thinking about,
Speaker 2: and you didn't say a word?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want you? You ever wanted that? Like with Damn?
Speaker 1: How did they know what I was?
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that, I said, I was thinking that,
Speaker 2: I see where you're going. Man, look here, and plus
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta, Oh Joe, that's what you're gonna do? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you said you said if you were to get married,
Speaker 2: let's just say you were with real, you gonna have
Speaker 2: a prenup. While you put a prenup in there. Do
Speaker 2: you know what that woman had to get you do
Speaker 2: to propose to her? And now you don't trust her? Oh?
Speaker 3: I like this?
Speaker 2: See I like this because I like to flip it
Speaker 2: back over you. Do you know what that woman had
Speaker 2: to do to GETO to take her out, take her
Speaker 2: serious and ask her hand in marriage?
Speaker 3: But now you want protections against yourself?
Speaker 1: Why, well, it's just just in case, just in case,
Speaker 1: because in the Bible, list in the Bible, in the
Speaker 1: Bible that said, protect thee self for you for ye
Speaker 1: it never know it's.
Speaker 3: You made that up.
Speaker 2: That's twelve No, no, no, that's in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Protect thee self for ye ever know it's what may happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's in the Bible.
Speaker 3: Cardinal is that applicable to the cardinals?
Speaker 1: It is, it is. But again, I still think it's insulting.
Speaker 1: That's something that you shouldn't that you shouldn't put that
Speaker 1: kind of language in the contract because what are you
Speaker 1: telling me? What?
Speaker 2: What are you telling me? What are you telling her
Speaker 2: when you get that prenup? What are you telling her?
Speaker 1: I like you with this. I like what you're doing
Speaker 1: is a good one. That's a good one. Hey. I like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. And you got me up against
Speaker 1: them all right now. But I'm trying to fight. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to fight, but I'm missing all the punches.
Speaker 2: That's a good But I think Kyler, you know, Johnny
Speaker 2: Manziel said, Kyler Murray is the greatest high school Texas
Speaker 2: player in high school history.
Speaker 3: He says it's him. He didn't lose a game in
Speaker 3: high school.
Speaker 2: He was well, he went for like forty something and oh,
Speaker 2: he won three straight championships in Texas' biggest division. At
Speaker 2: Allen Texas, he had over four thousand yards rushing with
Speaker 2: almost seventy touchdowns, over ten thousand yards passing with one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen touchdowns. And that's Texas. And we know
Speaker 2: the guys that have come out of Texas.
Speaker 1: The balls, they got some balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got He said the greatest player.
Speaker 2: He didn't say quarterback, he said player. And we know
Speaker 2: from Earl Campbell to Eric Dickerson, to Matthew Stafford to
Speaker 2: b Y to all those guys, Nick Fole, Drew Breathe
Speaker 2: case Keenum.
Speaker 1: Some boys come about and had some boys come about it.
Speaker 2: Out absolutely have. Uh, but I'm happy. I just want
Speaker 2: Coyler to get healthy. And but you know, o Jo,
Speaker 2: there are certain sacrifices. Even you as much as you
Speaker 2: like to play, there are certain things that you have
Speaker 2: to sacrifice.
Speaker 3: To be great at this game.
Speaker 1: Most definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got a lot of homeboys that want
Speaker 2: to go out and you're like, bro, I can't do
Speaker 2: that or not I got I can't game tape, right.
Speaker 1: I understand. I think your approach to the game is
Speaker 1: a little different than most people's you went to the extreme.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know just by hearing your stories,
Speaker 1: you went to the extreme for me. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't know much about me. But when I played un Man,
Speaker 1: I practiced, I was, I was. It was something wrong
Speaker 1: with me. I took all the guy damn reps. I
Speaker 1: took scout team, I ran down on special teams. I
Speaker 1: was embedded. But once I left that facility, once I
Speaker 1: left that facility on, that was me time. That was
Speaker 1: me time, and my mean time was spent playing FIFA.
Speaker 1: My mean time was spent playing Madden to reset and
Speaker 1: get a mental reset, to get away from the game
Speaker 1: of football until the next day boom. Then I'm locked
Speaker 1: back in.
Speaker 3: I reset. I think I reset offseason.
Speaker 1: Nah see Noah, you YouTube again and you live. You
Speaker 1: live your life like this as well. Right now. You
Speaker 1: work work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. You
Speaker 1: have no break. You have you can't live your life
Speaker 1: like that. It's worked for you because you've done it
Speaker 1: for so long. But for the younger kids and the
Speaker 1: younger generation, that might not be good. It might not
Speaker 1: be good. It's it's great to love and play the
Speaker 1: game at the highest level, but at some point. You
Speaker 1: got to have a little balance. You got to have
Speaker 1: a little balance, and at times you can be great
Speaker 1: and have that balance as well.
Speaker 2: I don't believe you can have balance to greatness. You
Speaker 2: think Michael Jordan had balance, sank Serena.
Speaker 3: We know he didn't.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did. What what was? What was? What was
Speaker 1: one of the one things that Michael Jordan loved to
Speaker 1: do outside of basketball, matter of fact, and did it
Speaker 1: during the season. What's the one thing he loves to do? Bingo?
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray loves loves to play video games like I do. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, listen, I know we're talking about
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but we talk about ninety five percent of
Speaker 1: the NFL, All of them young bulls play video games,
Speaker 1: all of them.
Speaker 2: You know why there's only a handful of teams that win.
Speaker 2: Tink about the teams that win have nothing to do
Speaker 2: with it. They had they had?
Speaker 1: Come on, now, come on, So you're saying if they
Speaker 1: put a video game down all of a sudden, they
Speaker 1: gonna win.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying there's a reason why they've only
Speaker 2: been a handful of truly, truly great quarterback And I
Speaker 2: keep asking you about Peyton Come on, man, I'm just
Speaker 2: asking you. I'm asking you about Peyton, I'm asking you
Speaker 2: about Brady. Take the great quarter. Okay, let's just take
Speaker 2: now in the in the social media era, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: let's take Patrick Holmes. How much video games you think
Speaker 2: you played?
Speaker 1: He plays them. I'm just want to tell you because
Speaker 1: I play against him. You want me tell you what
Speaker 1: you play? He plays Call of Duty? Okay, how much
Speaker 1: you think? How much you think the Peyton and Brady played?
Speaker 1: How about you think played? I don't know. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: not their thing.
Speaker 3: So what's their thing?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the makeup of the Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the makeup of the teams. These quarterbacks were surrounded with
Speaker 1: they were surrounded with greatness. Question helped them propel themselves.
Speaker 1: It's not because they weren't playing. Let's understand. Let's understand
Speaker 1: why they weregate. They were great in their own right
Speaker 1: with a superior supporting cast around them.
Speaker 2: Can I ask your question, if I took Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: and put him on Baltimore, how good do you think
Speaker 2: they would be?
Speaker 1: Holy shit?
Speaker 3: Why do you say that? Lamar?
Speaker 2: You told me, you told me to Baltimore. Ravens top
Speaker 2: the bottom had the best roster in football. So why
Speaker 2: are you saying, holy shit?
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: It would it would be nice. You take Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: putting them the Chiefs, you get the same thing. But
Speaker 1: go ahead, Are you serious? Yeah, it ain't nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with Lamar Lamarin's dynamic. Lamar's dynamic in his own right.
Speaker 2: She would have if I play, if I put Lamar,
Speaker 2: if I put lam on Kansas City they went in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, offensively, there would be a different offensive dynamic. It
Speaker 1: would be a different offensive dynamic if you have a
Speaker 1: great defense, if you still got spast you got Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: who knows Listen, listen, stay with me. Now, Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: Todd Munkin had a great year together. Yes, can you
Speaker 1: imagine Lamar Jackson and motherfucking Andy Reid. Boy, picture that
Speaker 1: you said about Picasso. You thought Picasso was creative and
Speaker 1: what he did, and I imagine, God damn Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: So it's not Patrick Mahomes is Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: No, I'm said no, no, because he's great. He would
Speaker 1: be great. Where they're thirty two teams, they're thirty one
Speaker 1: other teams outside of the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomee can going
Speaker 1: the other thirty one two teams thirty one teams, and
Speaker 1: he will be a difference maker because of who he is,
Speaker 1: because of the skill set that he has.
Speaker 2: Is he better? Is he better in Cincinnati's offense than
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow? Because that's the question when you when I
Speaker 2: when I pose these questions to you, I'm asking you,
Speaker 2: are they better or worse? So if I take if
Speaker 2: I take Lamar and put him in it's Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: But then you know what you put him in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: the office has to change completely based on the type
Speaker 1: of quarterback we have. Everything changes, so we don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a hypothetical. But again there's a certain type offense
Speaker 1: of Lamar runs and a certain type office that Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Joe Burrow runs. It's completely different based on
Speaker 1: the style of quarterback we talk about. You know that.
Speaker 1: So again, again I like it. I like the dynamic
Speaker 1: because you're naming the cream of the crop when it
Speaker 1: comes to NFL quarterbacks. But I'm asking you, there styles
Speaker 1: a player different and it's all on preference and based
Speaker 1: on who you like.
Speaker 3: But that's my point.
Speaker 2: I'm saying cream of the crop and the preparation that
Speaker 2: it takes to become cream of the trop I believe
Speaker 2: in order to become that, you have to do what
Speaker 2: others want or can, and sometimes you got to do both.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: So Brady didn't have the god given ability, Manning didn't
Speaker 2: have the god given ability, say a Lamar or Patrick mahomes.
Speaker 2: But what they had to do was this. I had
Speaker 2: to out thank you. I had to know what you
Speaker 2: were gonna do before you actually did it. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I didn't because I can't run away from anybody. I
Speaker 2: ain't getting away from nobody. Them guys gonna chase me
Speaker 2: down every time. That's why I can play two man
Speaker 2: against Payton, That's why I can play two man against
Speaker 2: Brady where they going Okay, they might scrambling to get
Speaker 2: eight yards, but they're not gonna hit their head on
Speaker 2: the goal post like you do it at Lamar or
Speaker 2: like they would with Josh Allen. Patrick Mahone's gonna get
Speaker 2: you twenty five thirty because we've seen him do it,
Speaker 2: take off running, and so that's all I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: just believe for me that in order to be great,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do things that others don't not
Speaker 2: do it and you're gonna have to sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Did I want to do certain things?
Speaker 2: Yes, But for me studying that game tape at home,
Speaker 2: so I knew so when I saw it. Yet, man,
Speaker 2: I remember watching this thing Wednesday night. Here come that
Speaker 2: foot Yep, they line up in this board, Makland, it's coming.
Speaker 2: They're going to run this this crossbuk and low and behold.
Speaker 2: Nothing made me feel better than when I studied something.
Speaker 3: Look, watching it with the team is one thing, but
Speaker 3: when I can find.
Speaker 1: It, I don't like washing it. I don't like watching
Speaker 1: with the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 1: We were on the same page with that. I love
Speaker 1: studying tape. Let's think about this real quick, right. People
Speaker 1: get caught up in their flamboyant stuff. I did the antics,
Speaker 1: the trash talking, the bullishing board material that I purposely
Speaker 1: put out every week for a decade, maybe eleven years
Speaker 1: straight on Wednesdays. Right, Do you understand the type of
Speaker 1: study and I had to do to be able to
Speaker 1: talk trash and say the things I said before we
Speaker 1: even played game day? Think about it. I mean, people,
Speaker 1: people don't see that side of it. So the only
Speaker 1: reason I'm arguing back and forth because I understand the
Speaker 1: time and study and that I had to do to
Speaker 1: be on point to be able to talk and be
Speaker 1: able to go out there and walk it. So I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying a little bit. But then I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking about I'm taking it back to myself, not
Speaker 1: putting myself in the quarterback position. But I understood I
Speaker 1: had to have that mental he said, to be able
Speaker 1: to once I'm away from work, Boom, I got to decompress.
Speaker 1: I gotta reset mentally. I need this gaming to be
Speaker 1: my outlet and my peace of mind away from the game.
Speaker 1: Next morning, six am, boom, I'm back. I'm back at it,
Speaker 1: and I'm locked in here it again. To your point,
Speaker 1: you probably are right though.
Speaker 2: Here's what Patrick Mahomes said about playing Call of Duty
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. Many NFL players bring their game consoles
Speaker 2: with them on the road during the season, my home says,
Speaker 2: not him. I try to make sure I can focus
Speaker 2: on the game plan the night before the game. During
Speaker 2: the season, I try to have my set schedules. I
Speaker 2: do get like two hours in a week on Monday
Speaker 2: or Friday to kind of blow some steam. But the
Speaker 2: offseason is when I get my grind and play the
Speaker 2: three to four hours at a time. Now you are heard,
Speaker 2: what is it. I'm just saying what he said. We
Speaker 2: can move on. Ain't no labeling. How many times you
Speaker 2: said something purposely knowing that he said he plays.
Speaker 1: Listen, I said I said a lot of things too
Speaker 1: to the media because I have to. I'm the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm the face of the franchise. I have to say
Speaker 1: all the right thing you do.
Speaker 2: You have to do like you said, you do realize
Speaker 2: like that person that's tracking Taylor swift jet.
Speaker 3: You know people can track this right.
Speaker 1: Oh, they don't know Mahome's game attack. They don't know
Speaker 1: the game attack. It's not public. I'm telling you they
Speaker 1: don't because I be on witting.
Speaker 3: Okay, NFL GM or CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud S two test it was complete, bs that it
Speaker 2: was leaked Stroud.
Speaker 1: J that's some some funck shit hold on.
Speaker 2: Stroud draft journey has some speed bumps, including his S
Speaker 2: two cognitive test cognition tests, which resorted being leaked publicly
Speaker 2: during pre JAFT process. He reportedly scored just an eighteen percentile,
Speaker 2: calling in the question for some people if he should
Speaker 2: be a quarterback at the first quarterback selected Bryce Young
Speaker 2: with number one overall, and the Panthers reportedly he scored
Speaker 2: in the ninety eighth percentile. And now it's reported today
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior is not expected to do any testing
Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combined this week. Harrison
Speaker 2: probably will not test that Ohio State Pro date either.
Speaker 2: What's what's some we can take. We can take CJ's
Speaker 2: UH issue first and then I want to get to
Speaker 2: you and see what was your combine experience. Like SoJ
Speaker 2: it was leaked because we've seen the leak test before. UH.
Speaker 1: They they leaked Viz Young and he scored. He scored
Speaker 1: an eight.
Speaker 2: UH.
Speaker 3: And so it's funny how they leak certain players.
Speaker 1: They doing it on purpose. Of course it's a sabotage.
Speaker 1: They do it on purpose anything to gets you, anything
Speaker 1: to get your stock to fall. But listen, there's one
Speaker 1: thing I never understood when it comes to scouts, when
Speaker 1: it comes to owners, they put so much emphasis on
Speaker 1: certain things that have nothing to do with the game
Speaker 1: of football in general, nothing to do with the game
Speaker 1: of football in general. Vince Young, c J. Stroud, Rich Young,
Speaker 1: and all the other grades there are taking these tests
Speaker 1: that to some it has some type of degree of merit,
Speaker 1: of valid vale ability when it comes to playing football.
Speaker 1: Turn on the goddamn tape. Turn on the goddamn tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: turn on the goddamn tape. What do you see c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud doing it? Goddamn Ohio State? Turn on the goddamn tape.
Speaker 1: What did you see Ben Sung doing at Texas? Turn
Speaker 1: on the tape and tell me what you saw Bryce
Speaker 1: Young doing in Alabama. I don't care nothing about no
Speaker 1: goddamn test scores because ain't no test. Ain't no test scores,
Speaker 1: and no test going on in between them fucking lines
Speaker 1: at all, none at all. It had nothing. Another thing
Speaker 1: they put so much on, so much emphasis on the
Speaker 1: goddamn for the yard dash the game. Can you please
Speaker 1: tell me the last time the game of football was
Speaker 1: playing the straight motherfucker? Oh, why am I cursing so much?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Please tell me the last time the game
Speaker 1: of football we're playing in the straight line. Never. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's good to be fast. Everybody in the NFL is fast.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's it's a it's a great it's a
Speaker 1: great weapon to have. But do you have to be fast?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Can you get from point A to point
Speaker 1: B fast within the time of the offense? Can you stop?
Speaker 1: Can you get off bumping? Run? Can you beat man
Speaker 1: the man? Can you read? There's so many other fastest
Speaker 1: of the game. As farther come to play the game
Speaker 1: at receiver, Well, you don't have to be running four
Speaker 1: two and four three and four four four four five?
Speaker 1: You got what?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What? What did Jerry Rice run four six? Again? The
Speaker 1: most complete receiver considered, he is the greatest of all time. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just some of these rules, some of
Speaker 1: the things that they look at as owners and scouts.
Speaker 1: It's funking. Oh my god, it's ridiculous. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I think for me, I agree with you, I just won't.
Speaker 2: I want the combine to confirm what I saw on tape.
Speaker 2: If he plays fast, let's see if he runs fast,
Speaker 2: if he have if he if he's good from point
Speaker 2: A to point B, Let's see how short he's short,
Speaker 2: shuttle is. That's all the combine is supposed to do.
Speaker 2: If offer you confirmation for what you saw on tape.
Speaker 2: If the guy's explosive, let me see his vertical let
Speaker 2: me see his standing broad up. When I saw Michael
Speaker 2: Parsons and I saw his test, he confirmed what I
Speaker 2: saw that he was explosive, that he was fast from
Speaker 2: point A to point B. That's all that all I needed,
Speaker 2: All I needed was the combine to confirm. Now, sometimes Ojo,
Speaker 2: we get a situation with a guy like damn, a
Speaker 2: guy like that, he didn't look this fast on tape.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I missed something, so let me go back
Speaker 2: and watch some more tape, or maybe, Ojo, man, damn,
Speaker 2: he played faster than this on tape. Let me see
Speaker 2: why he's not running fast. Test it. There's a funny thing.
Speaker 2: There's there's a thing people that carried their pads.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you heard that saying, right, yes, some
Speaker 1: people carry their pads. Well, when they had the pads on,
Speaker 1: you could be a four to six, but when you
Speaker 1: put your pads on, you run a four to three.
Speaker 1: I don't know if thats gonna make sense to the
Speaker 1: people in the chat, but it just does. There's some
Speaker 1: people that run a four to three and they put
Speaker 1: the pads on, they running four to six. They don't
Speaker 1: play as fast as they run or run fast.
Speaker 2: And playing faster or tire to two different things completely different,
Speaker 2: completely different, especially once you put them pads on.
Speaker 1: Then you have people like Tyree, Tyreek Hill. You have
Speaker 1: people like Chris Johnson, you got people like John Ross.
Speaker 1: There's some other names.
Speaker 3: Oh you got John Ross. He ran fast, he didn't
Speaker 3: play fast.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Now you look at Tyreek and you look at CJ.
Speaker 2: Those were the guys that can control that speed. There
Speaker 2: are very few guys that can run as fast as
Speaker 2: those guys that can control the speed. That's why you
Speaker 2: don't see very many track guys. I mean you for
Speaker 2: every Bob Hayes who changed the game, because before he
Speaker 2: came along, all they played with man coverage. Well, you
Speaker 2: got a guy that's the Olympic gold medalist, and how
Speaker 2: you gonna play man coverage on him?
Speaker 3: You better come up with all.
Speaker 2: You better play with a golf because you gonna take
Speaker 2: the top off every time.
Speaker 3: And then you get guys like like who's that? Like Sam?
Speaker 2: I'm granted guy would win the silver medal in the
Speaker 2: in one hundred meters, was on the Olympic goal, but
Speaker 2: he couldn't control the speed. You get some guys like Tyreek, Tyreek,
Speaker 2: I believe had he trained, I'm not saying he could
Speaker 2: have made the Olympics but he had Olympic speed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he does making the Olympics.
Speaker 2: It's all about peaking at the trials, because we've seen
Speaker 2: guys run fast, but not run fast at the trials.
Speaker 2: And then if it's all or not. But you get
Speaker 2: a guy like a Chris Johnson that runs four to two,
Speaker 2: I mean for two four and you watch him play,
Speaker 2: he ran, He played.
Speaker 3: Like he ring.
Speaker 1: That's as fast as he ran. Yeah, and some people
Speaker 1: people don't do that.
Speaker 2: You could tell Tyreek you even if you don't know
Speaker 2: anything about the game of football, if you watch Tyreek,
Speaker 2: he'll play. You could say, oh, hell yeah, because I've
Speaker 2: never seen a guy accelerate like Tyreek. I've seen guys fast,
Speaker 2: but I've never seen a guy.
Speaker 1: Can go in one step and he full speed and
Speaker 1: be gone. And you know, you know what the funny
Speaker 1: thing about it is, if you take most of it.
Speaker 1: Let's say, of the top five sprinters right now, the
Speaker 1: top five sprinters in the US, so just worldwide, the
Speaker 1: top five sprinters, if you can teach them the small
Speaker 1: nuances of being able to play receiver, with which it
Speaker 1: would be, it be hard. It'd be hard to do,
Speaker 1: but just oh my goodness, everything that wouldn't be fair.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be fair.
Speaker 3: Because what is it about?
Speaker 2: What is it about a guy that is fast his
Speaker 2: deceleration and accelerating because what you feel about God, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of speed, because it's like going one
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour. I don't care how good your
Speaker 2: breaks are, it's gonna take you a while to start
Speaker 2: to stop. What Tyreek has been able to do is
Speaker 2: being able to control that speed. He's able to get
Speaker 2: in and out of that break. He could get up
Speaker 2: earth and run the comeback. He can get run the
Speaker 2: deed run mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about Tyreek is which I love
Speaker 1: about him, is the threat of people already knowing he's fast,
Speaker 1: and he never has to run for speed. He can
Speaker 1: give the illusion that he's moving faster because he's already
Speaker 1: short and the legs be turning, but you never know
Speaker 1: if he's really at top speed or not, because you
Speaker 1: didn't have to use it because you're already scared, you're
Speaker 1: already scarce.
Speaker 2: And he has he's a little he has track speed
Speaker 2: in a football body. If you look at most track
Speaker 2: guys they're fin framed.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 2: You gotta be because the lighter you are, the faster
Speaker 2: you can go.
Speaker 3: Just like anything.
Speaker 2: You look at Formula one card, they're light as hell.
Speaker 2: That's just that's just a shell because I want to
Speaker 2: be light. There's a reason why Cheetah can I run
Speaker 2: a lion. There's a reason why Cheatah get I run
Speaker 2: an elephant because it's the size ratio. Well, as a
Speaker 2: football player, a track guy, those guys are finding. You
Speaker 2: look at no allowed or you look at currently. You
Speaker 2: look at Roy Benjamin Norman all THEO. I'm just talking
Speaker 2: to Americans. Look at him, they find Yeah, you look
Speaker 2: at I don't think there's ever been a buff u like.
Speaker 1: A buff or or a person of size that was
Speaker 1: actually fast. I think they have guys that are that
Speaker 1: are short ben John Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: Johnson John Yeah, he's on that brother man though, so
Speaker 2: he don't count. But you look at you look at
Speaker 2: guys like a Henry Neal that was compact and that
Speaker 2: Christian Coleman has had some size. But they're like sure, right,
Speaker 2: but if you look at this that they're normally thin.
Speaker 3: They're normally thin.
Speaker 2: Problem you're talking about, I'm thinking, no, allowed probably weighs
Speaker 2: one sixty one sixty five maybe maybe one.
Speaker 1: He sends me on the top of a speed. What
Speaker 1: you think the boys are running the forty like if
Speaker 1: if if I'm trying no allows, Fred Curley, Christian Coleman,
Speaker 1: if they was to go run the forty yards boss
Speaker 1: for no blocks?
Speaker 2: What I mean, let's let's do no blocks, because Christian
Speaker 2: Cowan probably would be somewhere if with his start right,
Speaker 2: his start can run flub for two?
Speaker 1: You think, so, yeah, for sure, I think he's going
Speaker 1: faster than that man for two.
Speaker 2: But now you have to understand. Now you said, okay,
Speaker 2: you gotta give him. You got to give him like
Speaker 2: a two, like you give him six weeks and he's
Speaker 2: just gonna train. Like these guys go to Arizona or
Speaker 2: of Florida or California. All they do is trained, right,
Speaker 2: they're training because these guys are spending now they're training
Speaker 2: for one hundred meters, they're training for two hundred. So
Speaker 2: all I want you to do for six weeks is
Speaker 2: to train for the forty Oh he gonna want.
Speaker 1: That's that's damn. That's damn today drive phase. I can
Speaker 1: I can see them running the forty Listen, I'm don't
Speaker 1: call me crazy if you want. I'm thinking I can
Speaker 1: see them running three nine or four flat simply because.
Speaker 2: Stanley Floyd, Uh, he from Dardy High School in Georgia.
Speaker 2: I think he might have ran three nine because he
Speaker 2: raced the horse one time on uh uh.
Speaker 3: What was it? What were they they used to have
Speaker 3: like race horses.
Speaker 2: I think Stanley Floyd by that who has the fastest
Speaker 2: forty time ever re recorded?
Speaker 3: I remember, I know you don't remember Ron Ron Brown.
Speaker 2: Ron Brown could run to He played with the Rams,
Speaker 2: but in my time, like Ron Brown, Sam Grandy, Uh
Speaker 2: they called him Dot Willie Gaul, Willie from Georgia.
Speaker 3: H yeah, uh, who's who else? Brand?
Speaker 2: James Jett. James Jett was on the gold medal team
Speaker 2: in ninety two.
Speaker 1: I remember James Jet.
Speaker 3: He played with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: He ran on his toes.
Speaker 2: You're talking about can run man? He called across the
Speaker 2: road on us?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Out of there?
Speaker 3: What because? See?
Speaker 2: But see the Raiders, the Raiders had had like a
Speaker 2: track team. I mean they had Willie God was there
Speaker 2: Willi Gaul? They had Willie gauw uh h, DoD Sam Grandy,
Speaker 2: Dad Swerve and Murphy from Menandez Tim Brown.
Speaker 3: Oh they was loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can fly though.
Speaker 2: Stanley Floyd. I think Stanley Floyd. U uh, Stanley Floyd
Speaker 2: for he went to darted high schooler Georgie. Hey, we
Speaker 2: have a guy that can run at Georgia die. Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh uh, but yeah, that's the thing, oh Joe, that's
Speaker 2: the thing which with guys' speed, because a lot of
Speaker 2: times can you control the speed.
Speaker 3: Speed is no good in the football feel if you
Speaker 3: can't control it.
Speaker 1: That's what it all comes down to. It all comes
Speaker 1: down to sometimes the time being able to not only
Speaker 1: control your speed, but give the illusion that you're moving fast,
Speaker 1: so you can be able to decelerate, accelerate, go left,
Speaker 1: go right, and do all the things you need to
Speaker 1: do because obviously the game of football, as you know,
Speaker 1: is not played in the straight line.
Speaker 2: Nope, no it's not. So what what are some of
Speaker 2: your draft uh uh? Draft combine experience?
Speaker 1: I really can't remember much. It was so long ago.
Speaker 1: I do remember that I did run in some bright bright,
Speaker 1: bright yellow yellow tights, which is which is weird. I
Speaker 1: ran a four or five of the combine for some reason,
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. John Clayton said, you need
Speaker 2: to work on that speed. Yeah, yeah, and went.
Speaker 1: Listen. I saw I ran a four five and I stumbled.
Speaker 1: I stumbled and still got I still was able to
Speaker 1: gather myself up and still run four five. But then
Speaker 1: when it was time for the drills, I ate the
Speaker 1: drills and then obviously once you once I put pads on.
Speaker 1: As you can see, I played four three as opposed
Speaker 1: to what my forty time said, which is really weird.
Speaker 1: I was nervous. I was nervous for one, obviously having
Speaker 1: to display my skills are front all the owners, and
Speaker 1: it was a new experience for me. You got to understand,
Speaker 1: I hadn't been at the division ie level what I
Speaker 1: was there after at Oregon State for four months and
Speaker 1: then now all of a sudden, here come April. I
Speaker 1: met at the freaking what's the name? Whose stadium is
Speaker 1: that again? The Coats?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lucas Oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at Lucas Oil Stadium and I'm in
Speaker 1: front of all these owners and it was like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm excited, like I'm almost like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like holy shit, dog, you almost there,
Speaker 1: like you really Finna get drafted. I don't know where
Speaker 1: I'm getting drafted, but the fact, the fact that the
Speaker 1: matter is I'm here at the combinea get drafted. So
Speaker 1: it's a little nervousness in me. And I didn't run
Speaker 1: a good forty time, but it didn't matter because when
Speaker 1: it came to doing the other tests, I aced all
Speaker 1: those as far as running routes, cone drills and all
Speaker 1: the other stuff, and the rest was history. Because you
Speaker 1: know what happened on Sundays.
Speaker 2: There used to be a show come on. I think
Speaker 2: it was ABC. It was called That's Incredible. I know
Speaker 2: you don't remember because I was a kid when it
Speaker 2: came on, and That's incredible. They would they would do
Speaker 2: they would do, uh, like like he raced the horse, but.
Speaker 1: You forgot remember remember I raced You didn't see why
Speaker 1: I raced the horse.
Speaker 3: You lost though he beat the horse.
Speaker 1: I want I want tail. I asked to pull it
Speaker 1: up and show you real quick, listen. That's how That's
Speaker 1: how I know I was really Honestly, if I wasn't
Speaker 1: nervous at the combine, I would have ran probably four
Speaker 1: one four two, Like that's the kind of speed I had. Huh,
Speaker 1: that's what you do, right, No, no, no, that's not
Speaker 1: what I do. Because it was in an unfamiliar environment.
Speaker 1: It's like when you go on your first day. You know,
Speaker 1: the butterflies of your stomach, you know how you're nervous. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's how it felt. Because it was it was unfamiliar
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't know it was like to go
Speaker 1: to the Carbine. I didn't play at a big Division
Speaker 1: one school for four years and and I'm used to
Speaker 1: the crowd and all of it.
Speaker 3: Was it was all you played with the college football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, then so all that other job throw that women,
Speaker 2: if you can play play football, I wondered.
Speaker 1: I went to Division one four months. I was four months.
Speaker 1: I was gone, Yeah, that's it, that's what you need it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I know, I know. It wasn't Lucasaw. It
Speaker 3: was the r c A Dome. I get it.
Speaker 1: But we're saying it was an indy, right y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: Just is it they getting on you about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Come on chat. You know, chill, chill, chill, chid chill.
Speaker 3: It used to be the Combine used to be regional.
Speaker 2: So whatever reason you in, you ran there before before
Speaker 2: they brought it all to Indy. I think they brought
Speaker 2: it in Indy, like in eighty seven, eighty six, eighty seven.
Speaker 3: I think that was the first year that they had it.
Speaker 1: Everybody used to complain about the surface being spongy, being spongy.
Speaker 2: Until until somebody tell them, guys, well, there's always somebody
Speaker 2: that was gonna run sub for three and it's like
Speaker 2: it ain't nothing wrong with the turk.
Speaker 3: I mean, my year we had J. D. Williams the
Speaker 3: dB out of prisone state.
Speaker 2: He ran for two nine what oh yeah, he ran
Speaker 2: four to nine, so he could he cover Yeah, he
Speaker 2: had a bed sheet over your bed.
Speaker 3: That's the only thing. He was covered the bed with
Speaker 3: a bed sheet. It's all.
Speaker 1: It's all about controlling the speed and understanding leveraging man.
Speaker 3: And he came back back.
Speaker 2: He was first round pick from uh uh presno State, Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Hey, I can talk. I can talk about that all day, man,
Speaker 1: all day.
Speaker 2: Damn Christian Coe What what did Christian Coleman ran? I know, Christmas,
Speaker 2: I think Christian Coleman ran for what nine?
Speaker 1: Listen, I know I beat that Horton. I beat that horse.
Speaker 1: And you know some people say, oh, you got a
Speaker 1: head start what hell? He got one more legs than
Speaker 1: I do? What you expect?
Speaker 3: Well, he got two more legs than you.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, stay with me.
Speaker 3: He got so he got five legs.
Speaker 1: Hey, you caught that fast?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he got he got five d so he
Speaker 2: still got you bout you.
Speaker 1: You caught that fast? That was a good you know what?
Speaker 3: Ojoe? Uh my draft?
Speaker 2: Look I had uh I had some Pegasus niken Pegasus.
Speaker 3: I read about forty nake you pegasus.
Speaker 1: Wait, you're supposed to be light as possible. Pass was heavy,
Speaker 1: wasn't he?
Speaker 3: Oh? You man? Ain't bro, I ain't know nothing about that.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I ain't have no money.
Speaker 1: To waffle shoes. You ain't had no waffle shoes.
Speaker 2: No, bro, I, oh Joe, I ain't no nothing about that, Bro.
Speaker 2: I ain't going all I did All I did. I
Speaker 2: ran a hundred meter sprints. Get ready. I ain't doing
Speaker 2: no shuttle drills. I ain't doing no vertical, I ain't
Speaker 2: doing no standing a long. I ain't just no, I
Speaker 2: ain't no nothing.
Speaker 3: So I ran. I think I ran like a four
Speaker 3: to six six and a four six seven.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's fast now, But for your sad all
Speaker 1: I know twenty that's moving now.
Speaker 3: All I know is.
Speaker 2: That when we went to I went to the Blue
Speaker 2: Gray Game, which was on Christmas Day. It was in Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to the East West Ride
Speaker 2: it was at Palo Alto. I just remember calling my
Speaker 2: brother and they had you know a lot. I ain't
Speaker 2: no receiver here better than me, see better than me,
Speaker 2: That's what you told them say. Ain't nothing better than me,
Speaker 2: none of them, none, none, none, zero, zelch we.
Speaker 3: Went one on one. We had the one on one
Speaker 3: drills cooked everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody cooked them. He speaking of I went to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I'll never forget one of my favorites, will
Speaker 1: always be one of my favorite players, always one of
Speaker 1: my favorite player from Mississippi State. That got damn Fred
Speaker 1: smooth Okay that god damn Fred smooth Man. One of
Speaker 1: the greatest personalities, one of the greatest human beings I
Speaker 1: ever met.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't get to see him as often as I like,
Speaker 1: but man, every time I saw Fred Man, it was
Speaker 1: always loved. When we played. When we played Minnesota, it
Speaker 1: was in Minnesota. You talk about talking some shit, man,
Speaker 1: We talked Hellowship Man before the game. I love Fred it.
Speaker 2: Man, O Joe, ah Man, Man, Oh Joe wa man.
Speaker 3: You know what they gave you? Man?
Speaker 2: Check this out, O Joe, Yes, sir, you out of
Speaker 2: a one hundred. What do you think my combrian grade was?
Speaker 1: Out of one hundred? Yeah you yeah, probably sixty eight.
Speaker 2: I got an f I got a thirty seven real hey,
Speaker 2: a size.
Speaker 3: They gave me one out of one hundred.
Speaker 1: Speed.
Speaker 2: They gave me sixty two out of one hundred. Agility.
Speaker 2: They gave me ten out of one hundred quickness. They
Speaker 2: gave me thirty six out of one hundred.
Speaker 3: Overall.
Speaker 1: Ready, who's your overall? What would they give you?
Speaker 3: My overall was thirty seven?
Speaker 2: You see, I thought you was hell when you was well.
Speaker 3: I was sick that day.
Speaker 1: Hey, can he can ask fine mine?
Speaker 3: Hey? Look at this, y'all. Look at what your boy, nigga,
Speaker 3: what they gave you?
Speaker 2: Boy, fine old joes, we're gonna fit. Hey, Hey, now
Speaker 2: think about that. You see now see they based everything
Speaker 2: run jump. All I know is that I got I'm
Speaker 2: number two sixty seven. I can run upstairs right quick
Speaker 2: and get that gold jacket. I'm too sixty seven in
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now let me tell
Speaker 2: you who's in my draft Classmit Hall of Fame, court Kentnedy,
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, reil your sayout, Hall of Fame, myself,
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Johnny Randall, Hall of Fame. Johnny Randa
Speaker 2: was undrafted. He was yes, Oh Joe, why you're over that, chief, kidd?
Speaker 2: That's what you got?
Speaker 1: F two?
Speaker 3: You got a thirty self a thirty eight. Holdo, what
Speaker 3: you got a thirty eight? Hey?
Speaker 1: But hey, at least I got I got one high
Speaker 1: than you. And hey, listen, hold on, hey, the F
Speaker 1: on their stand for fabulous. That's a just how it
Speaker 1: turned out fabulous.
Speaker 2: They got they got, They got you uh at forty
Speaker 2: they got you a four to six uh steady loans up.
Speaker 3: They got you one hundred and twenty inches.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good.
Speaker 3: Uh no, that's ten feet.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, uh size.
Speaker 2: They gave you a forty six out of one hundred. Speed,
Speaker 2: they gave you forty one out of one hundred. Agility,
Speaker 2: they gave you forty three out of one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 3: They gave you fifty out of one hundred.
Speaker 1: Now that's how you know they don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell they talk about agility agility.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, we were so small. But oh Joe, you
Speaker 2: know what we about? Go ahead, chalking up.
Speaker 3: We were so small that combine.
Speaker 1: I'm mad. Hey give me the name of the person
Speaker 1: who motherfucking made the goddamn grading system.
Speaker 2: Man, Hey, don't go back and run it. Are you're
Speaker 2: gonna be worth than you worked twenty years ago?
Speaker 1: Oh I could? I could? Oh well no, no, no, listen,
Speaker 1: I've been training for boxing the soccer right now, so
Speaker 1: I could run. I could run by the four six
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Who the fastest, Who had the fastest forty time as
Speaker 2: a boxer? Because it don't matter, because you can't run
Speaker 2: fast in that square?
Speaker 3: Man, they got me? How the hell bad? Look here,
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, is just meant to be? How the hell
Speaker 3: they got me?
Speaker 1: When that man that day, that kind of hurt, That
Speaker 1: kind of hurt a little bit, that kind of because
Speaker 1: that's that's how they really felt and that thought about me. Man,
Speaker 1: I got an F. I ain't seen F in a
Speaker 1: long time. Damn, you shouldn't have showed me that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got I told you that they might. The F
Speaker 1: stand for fantastic, fabulous.
Speaker 2: Man, they got uh flump failure? Man, How we're gonna
Speaker 2: get how we're gonna get hurt yourself?
Speaker 3: Thirty eight.
Speaker 1: This is the problem. The people that they have in
Speaker 1: positions of power that are judging these players don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell they talking about or what they're looking for. See,
Speaker 1: that's why they need they that's what they need. My eyes.
Speaker 1: They can need my eyes at the combine.
Speaker 3: Guess what they couldn't they measure?
Speaker 2: They can measure my height, they can measure my speed,
Speaker 2: my strength, my quickness, my jumping ability.
Speaker 3: You can't measure that. Can't measure that.
Speaker 2: So what if you get See if you have gave
Speaker 2: me one hundred for this right here in the compensation
Speaker 2: for everything else that you can measure.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's the immeasurables.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you can't see, Yeah my desire to get me.
Speaker 2: All you had to do was just sit down for
Speaker 2: just a second and ask what motivated Shining Sharp.
Speaker 3: He said, we're gonna take that guy in the first round.
Speaker 1: Come on that.
Speaker 2: You see that's the problem. See you all you think
Speaker 2: about what did the tape? You forgot? You disregarded everything
Speaker 2: that you saw on tape, right, and now you're gonna say, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna disregard that he had one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: two catches forty touchdown. We're gonna disregard that thirty eight hundred.
Speaker 2: That don't mean nothing, right, So now it comes down
Speaker 2: to one day.
Speaker 1: Hmm, okay, Ship, that don't mean nothing. I don't remember
Speaker 1: the last time anybody ever running a long jump on
Speaker 1: the field. When when when the ball snapped? Nobody running? No,
Speaker 1: I don't remember nobody running noose shuttle back and forth.
Speaker 3: No, I ain't never saying I was going to the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Listen, I need the person's name who gave me that
Speaker 1: f I need to write them a letter. I need
Speaker 1: to write them a level thank you. I ain't saying
Speaker 1: thank you. He's gonna he's gonna get a piece of
Speaker 1: my mind, Ship, every word I U was gonna start
Speaker 1: with F two.
Speaker 2: Christian Coban ran a four to one. Uh forty okay, okay?
Speaker 1: And you know what right here, you understand.
Speaker 3: Joe, I don't think people understand how fast that is.
Speaker 1: They don't they know, they don't They would have they.
Speaker 3: Would What did I say? Four to one? He ran
Speaker 3: a four one two?
Speaker 1: Okay? I know when you say at four time, like huh.
Speaker 3: Four, one two.
Speaker 1: He gets out so goddamn fast. He has the greatest
Speaker 1: start of anybody I've ever seen. Yes, the greatest start
Speaker 1: of anybody I've ever seen. He gets out so fast.
Speaker 1: And the ability, the fact that he can hold it,
Speaker 1: he can saw that saw that that drive phase with
Speaker 1: all of them, all of those those top top athletes
Speaker 1: that run, you got to.
Speaker 3: You got to see him.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna try to catch the Olympic
Speaker 2: trials up and off up in Eugene, because you gotta
Speaker 2: see you look like you see speed, but you got
Speaker 2: you get It's like in my sport. I've seen great
Speaker 2: football players. I know what the great football players. And
Speaker 2: I've been to NBA game, so I know what the
Speaker 2: great basketball players. But to watch these guys run and
Speaker 2: the difference between first and field, the first and sixth
Speaker 2: is back.
Speaker 1: And then you know the funny thing. I don't think
Speaker 1: very many people outside of those that are track fan
Speaker 1: don't understand how fast these individuals are moving. Unto you
Speaker 1: actually in that atmosphere. You got to be in that
Speaker 1: atmosphere to get an appreciation for what you see on TV,
Speaker 1: because watching from TV does you know justice at all
Speaker 1: until you actually see it up closer in person. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I don't know why I keep saying. I
Speaker 2: keep in my mind that Stanley Floyd. Stanley Floyd was
Speaker 2: an amazing sprint of They boycotted the Moscow Olympics in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty because of the Soviet Union invasion into Afghanistan,
Speaker 2: and then the Soviets replayed repaid us the favor by
Speaker 2: not coming in eighty four in the La Olympics, and
Speaker 2: then you know, everybody reconvened in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Soul.
Speaker 2: But to just watch those to watch those sprints, I mean,
Speaker 2: track and feeling is my favorite sport to watch of
Speaker 2: all the sports, football, basketball, whatever, give me track and
Speaker 2: field first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously you know soccer his mind, and football and
Speaker 1: football is well soccer's mind, and boxing and boxing and
Speaker 1: and football is is neck and neckcnnect.
Speaker 2: Man, Damn, I wish I could have got one more thing, right?
Speaker 2: Can't let you have a better grade than me?
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, I'm thirty eight thirty?
Speaker 3: Is it so? Another word?
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, you know I should have been drafted at
Speaker 2: least you got drafted in the second round with A
Speaker 2: thirty eight.
Speaker 3: I went the seventh round.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, you know why I went second, because that's
Speaker 1: how well I tested when it came to all those
Speaker 1: other drills that had nothing to do with.
Speaker 3: What the film whatever, whatever drill you can do, but.
Speaker 1: That that catching drill, the gauntlet, and the running routse.
Speaker 1: When they seen him running routse.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was a rap.
Speaker 1: It was a rap. It was a rap that forty
Speaker 1: times in nothing. And then the singing bowl when I
Speaker 1: went to the c and bowl, that solidified everything. You cooking,
Speaker 1: that senior bowl solidified everything. It was a rap. But
Speaker 1: he's about cooking. I didn't even know chef. I was
Speaker 1: out there cooking, like I went to four years of
Speaker 1: culinary art school. But you I was giving them boys
Speaker 1: that business.
Speaker 3: You hear me.
Speaker 1: You know you know who I missed now that you
Speaker 1: mentioned it, Man, I wonder where they are. Quincy Morgan.
Speaker 1: Quincy Morgan was in the draft for me that year.
Speaker 1: God damn, Mike Vick obviously went first. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of the receivers. I can't think of the receivers
Speaker 1: from from God damn, it's sipping mind. Whoever remember Rod Gardner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he came like that. Yeah. I talked to Rod all
Speaker 1: the time. Man. That's that's a good dude. Damn I
Speaker 1: missed those dudes. Man.
Speaker 3: Once I retired, he worked out with me a little
Speaker 3: while I worked out with him.
Speaker 1: Hey boy, Rod, Yo boy Rod Yo? What?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Damn?
Speaker 3: Oh, Joe?
Speaker 2: Uh, who do you trust to lead a game winning drive?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: You got you got Josh Allen, Yeah, I got Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: You got Joe Burrow, you got Justin Herbert, you c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud Okay, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Strod.
Speaker 1: If you notice now hold on game, game winning drive. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm going with Joe. Okay, I'm going with Joe and
Speaker 1: before before before we go on, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me tell the chat why I'm going with Joe.
Speaker 1: All the quarterbacks your name are great, They're great in
Speaker 1: their own right. Josh is great, Lamar Jackson is done
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson has done obviously two time MVP. Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is good, CD Shroud. Hell of up motherfucking season
Speaker 1: last year. But again, Joe Burrowson twenty twenty one has
Speaker 1: five fourth quarter comebacks, two game winning drives, two postseason
Speaker 1: game in drives, one versus the Titans, one versus the
Speaker 1: Chiefs in twenty two to one. And that's it.
Speaker 3: That's enough.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's that's enough. And that's that's why I'm
Speaker 1: going with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to get any disagreement for you,
Speaker 2: because I want to see him in the most pressure,
Speaker 2: pressure rized situation, which is the NFL playoffs and in
Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs, and.
Speaker 3: He's done both of those on the road.
Speaker 2: So you're going to road against Tennessee, You're going the
Speaker 2: road against in the AFC Championship game against the Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs, who had just went to the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: the previous year. Hey, you get no, you get no,
Speaker 2: You get no argument from me. But that was that
Speaker 2: was a I mean, the guy that I would have
Speaker 2: that would be the last one I would think would
Speaker 2: be Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Herbert Herbert. I mean, he hasn't he hasn't been in
Speaker 1: a situation at all. He hasn't been in a situation.
Speaker 3: So he had some opportunities. He just come up small
Speaker 3: in most of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely, I think things
Speaker 1: will change over Harbor over there. Yeamans are going to change.
Speaker 3: They're going to run the ball.
Speaker 1: We're running back because they didn't sign that cler back.
Speaker 2: That's okay, They're gonna go get one. You know, there's
Speaker 2: some back they got on the market. Unless they're franchising
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry's.
Speaker 1: They already said it, not gonna franchise Hm again, not
Speaker 1: a twelve min a year.
Speaker 2: Possibly available. Uh, you got Deack Henry. You got those
Speaker 2: two guys in Baltimore.
Speaker 3: JK. Dobbins is coming out for knee injury. You got
Speaker 3: Gus Edwards.
Speaker 1: Yo, since you just said that, well, imagine if goddamn
Speaker 1: Derek Henry go to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: You like Derrick Henry, you like Sa better.
Speaker 1: For that offense, I think is a different style of back.
Speaker 1: He gives you a little bit more. But Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: in that offense remind very reminiscent of like samaul Lewis
Speaker 1: all over again. Boy boy stop.
Speaker 2: It definitely be interesting to say what Baltimore is gonna do.
Speaker 2: Uh with the running back situation. Mitchell I heard I
Speaker 2: played with his dad.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah I did too. Yeah yeah yeah, you
Speaker 1: play you play safety?
Speaker 2: Fuss Uh So he's it's probably gonna take it's probably
Speaker 2: gonna I don't know. I don't know if they started
Speaker 2: off on Pump or how soon he's young. So and
Speaker 2: the way they do the surgery. Now, man, these guys
Speaker 2: coming back in record time from a cl surgery. But
Speaker 2: you know there's gonna be some guys available. You know,
Speaker 2: there's always guys in the draft.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The one thing about the Ravens, they're not afraid the
Speaker 2: draft the running back. But it's gonna be very That
Speaker 2: would be very, very interesting to see what direction the
Speaker 2: Ravens go in because they're pretty solid everything else. Nice
Speaker 2: offensive line, lamar m v P. You got Zave Flowers,
Speaker 2: you got Babeman, Andrews's gonna come back healthy, you got
Speaker 2: likely who else they got? They got Duverney. I think
Speaker 2: they only signed Agular for a year. Uh, they got
Speaker 2: Odell's still Odell is a free agent again, so I
Speaker 2: think they got they got a Knight, they got a
Speaker 2: nice squad coming back. Maybe maybe a piece. Question is
Speaker 2: what are they gonna do with Queen? He's a free agent.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna franchise him. That number is
Speaker 2: gonna be too big. Are they gonna are they're gonna
Speaker 2: bring Marlon Humphrey back. He's probably got a big cap number,
Speaker 2: getting a little long in the tooth. Injuries are starting
Speaker 2: to happen with greater regularity, ojo. You know, you're making
Speaker 2: big dollars and the injuries start to creep up on you.
Speaker 2: He's approaching thirty. If he's not thirty, hold is Marlon
Speaker 2: hump ash.
Speaker 1: They gonna use it an issue every.
Speaker 2: Time, absolutely, especially you know, the injury, the injury bug.
Speaker 3: You're starting to Martin Hummers only twenty seven?
Speaker 1: God, that's it? Are we good? He's good for another three?
Speaker 1: He good for another thing.
Speaker 2: But at that number, what's his cap number? That's the
Speaker 2: question though, O Joe, what's that cap number?
Speaker 1: You think it's that high?
Speaker 3: I think got a big contract.
Speaker 2: At the time. Uh, maybe they reworked it. Twenty two
Speaker 2: point eight. It's a big number.
Speaker 1: What's you think. Maybe add some restructure, Yeah, add some restructure,
Speaker 1: loaded up, give them some give them some money from
Speaker 1: money and put in the form of signing bonus.
Speaker 3: Yeah.