1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace mac Daddy. Yeah you heard 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: me right. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Seawan Combs aka Diddy, now humiliated as he is forced 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: to use one dollar cans of mackerel fish. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: As jail currency. 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: What happened to the private jets, the private chef, all 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: of those minions at his beck and call? He is 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: dealing in mac mackerel? This in a bombshell bid for 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: a trial delay. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: Jailed rapper and musician Sean Puffy Combs hit with more 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: charges amidst a federal sex trafficking case that alleges the 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 3: musician use his power and status in the music industry 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: to coerce unknowing victims. 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past the fase at this juncture. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: There is now a third superseding indictment to add more 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: charges because we are learning more about an alleged shooting 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: that went down in a studio. But first, can we 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: get to the canned mackerel? 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: What? 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Okay? Listen to this? 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 5: In made three seven four or five two dash zero 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 5: five to four, otherwise known as Sean Diddy Combs will 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 5: be housed in four North at the Metropolitan Detention Center 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 5: for at least forty eight more days if his trial 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 5: begins on time. Colms has spent most of his time 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 5: in the unit's visiting room with his lawyers or the 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 5: video call room with his laptop that cannot access the 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 5: Internet to work through the mountain of evidence that prosecutors 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 5: have turned over. Colms exorbitant monetary value hasn't gotten him anywhere. 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 5: Behind bars, forced to use a more humiliating currency instead 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 5: of cash, in mates trade packets of mackerel known as max, 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: on sale at the commissary for one dollar each. 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Boo hoo, poor diddy. 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: All those millions and millions, some people say, a billion 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: dollars of net worth and he's trading cans of mackerel 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: for favors behind bars. Got an all star panel lined up, 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: but first straight out to crime stories investigative reporters Sydney Summer, 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: Sydney canned mackerel. 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 4: What great, Nancy. That's the only form of currency that 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: they can come up with behind bars at the Metropolitan 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: Detention Center. So there's obviously no exchange of cash. And 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: from what we've heard before, we know that the commissary 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: is pretty strict they don't really allow you to stock 45 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: pile things. You can only spend one hundred and eighty 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: dollars in commissary every two weeks. So the inmate could 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: come up with the system where they trade these packets 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: of tuna as a dollar. They cost a dollar in 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 4: the commissary. So if you needed something that would have 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 4: cost five dollars, but they wouldn't let you buy it 51 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: from commissary, you can hand me five packets of mackerel instead. 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So Shawn Corimbs is now a. 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: Mac dealer, apparently, Nancy. 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: Okay, First, Sydney, let me correct you. It's a subtle 55 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: but important distinction. Mackerel is not tuna. But that said, 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: the gist of your reporting is correct. Now, joining me 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: a special guest, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate Warden, MDC 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, former Senior warden with the US Department of Justice, 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Prisons, Founder president a New Daylight Foundation, 60 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: author of who Are You See It? Say It, Seize It? 61 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: And you can find him at New dlightfoundation dot com. 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, So, Shawn Corimbs is now a macdealer. 63 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: Did you realize that the humiliation he must be going 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: through all those millions, all those designers closed drenched in jewelry, 65 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: dope chains. 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Around his neck. 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and now he's 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: shuffling cans of mackerel. Really, did you know about the 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: black market currency of dealing in mac behind bars? 70 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 6: Well, as they say in prison, commissary is currency, and 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 6: a lot of those individuals, once they immersed themselves in 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 6: the jail of prison culture, they used commissary to pay 73 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 6: off debts to get favors. I know they were early 74 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 6: reporting when he first got there, the inmates for doing 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 6: his laundry for him. 76 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 7: So they use those items. 77 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: What who who wait whoa whoa wait wait wait wait 78 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: wait wait okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall, hold on, Hendrix, don't move. 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: Joining me. 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: Are now in Psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills, Joining us, 81 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshalls at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, author 82 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: of deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock, 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, did you hear what he just said? Wherever 84 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: Sean Combs goes, he has a fleet of minions. So 85 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: before he could order cheesecake at three o'clock in the 86 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: morning and actually get somebody to go out and get it. 87 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: People waiting on him, hand and foot, surrounded by a 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: phalanx of as. 89 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: I said, minions. 90 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: Now he's got minions making up his bed and cleaning. 91 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: How hard is it to pull one blanket up? You 92 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: got to get another inmate to do that for you. 93 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: I know this means something. 94 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 8: But what Okay, Nancy, I guess he did. He needs staff, right, Seriously, 95 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 8: I've compared his culture of sex trafficking to a cult 96 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 8: where he's always the leader and the benefits flow towards him, 97 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 8: and I think he's creating that same culture in behind bars, Nancy. 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 8: You know the mackerel is currency. I once worked with 99 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 8: a female consultant who work with women behind bars, and 100 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 8: they would take Jolly ramcher candies. They would melt them 101 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 8: down in the microwave and use them as bildos. They 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 8: would sell them. 103 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: They would pass. 104 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 8: Them around as some kind of favor. So you know 105 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 8: he did. He had billions before. Now he has kans 106 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 8: of mackerel. He's going to use whatever he has. 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just trying to take everything you just said 108 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: with a box of salt. What is happening with Diddi 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: behind bars, this as he makes a bombshell bid for 110 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: a trial delay. Eric Fattest joining me, renowned attorney, joining us, 111 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: founding partner Varner Fattest, elite Legal Eric Fattest, Delay, Delay, Delay, 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: But what about the mighty brought so low? The fact 113 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: that Sean Combs is now dealing in kans of mackerel 114 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: behind bars. But the significance of this is not just 115 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 2: the fish in a can, it's trading it for what 116 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: What is he trading it for? 117 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: Is someone going to testify for him? 118 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: Is there a deal in the works of some sort, 119 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: Because we know, especially from a recent New York Times article, 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: his life behind bars is monotonous, bad checks mackerel. His 121 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: digs have been upgraded. We found out about that. But 122 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: this is a time for him to focus on his trial. 123 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: What do you make of the request for a delay? 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, Nancy, Well, luckily there's no crime against possession with 125 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 9: the intended distribute macro, so he won't be We're seeing 126 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 9: an added of charge on that. Hey, look, delay is 127 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 9: a common tactic on behalf of the defense. 128 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: What they're arguing is that. 129 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 9: There were some messages and information regarding one of the 130 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 9: alleged victims that was not turned over and that they 131 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 9: need more time to go through that. They're claiming that 132 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 9: there were like two hundred thousand items that that were 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 9: not turned over from the prosecution, and so defense is 134 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 9: going to use that by saying, hey, we're being ambush'. 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 7: This is we're being bombarded. We have no time to 136 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 7: prepare for this. We need some more time. Judge, I 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 7: would not be. 138 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: No time hold on whoa whoa whoa no time calla 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Brantley joining me, investigative reporter with Daily Email dot Com 140 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: and star of the Trial of DDY podcast Cala. Don't 141 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: you remember at the get go how Sean Combs was 142 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: railing about going to jail and how he can't wait 143 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: to get in court to prove his innocence. But now 144 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: we hear they're wanting a delay. 145 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, well did He has been behind bars since September. 146 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 10: That's eight months now and he still has a little 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 10: bit less than a month to go. So one would 148 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 10: think that he would try to, you know, get into 149 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 10: core plead his innocence. But when you think about it, 150 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 10: eight months for all of the evidence that they owe through, 151 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 10: for all the witnesses that his team has to you know, 152 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 10: collect and all that there is to prepare. Eight months 153 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 10: really hasn't been that much time to bring forth a 154 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 10: solid case. 155 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: Well, Diddy is pouring over documents and trading mat behind bars. 156 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: We learned that he's actually gotten an upgrade at the MDC. 157 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: That's right, did he got an upgrade? 158 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 7: Listen? 159 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 11: Well, the public has been led to believe Sean Diddy 160 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 11: Combs is languishing in a tiny cell at the NBC. 161 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 11: It turns out the disgraced mogul is having a blast 162 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 11: behind bars. Combs has been moved to the lowest security 163 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 11: unit in the prison for North, where he has access 164 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 11: to a tablet, cards, music, TV movies, ping pong, air hockey, 165 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 11: and even a peep show. Who needs expensive freak offs 166 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 11: when you can spy on female inmates through a grate 167 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 11: in the floor. 168 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: Speaking of expensive free cough parties, parties for him, not 169 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 2: for the women that were allegedly raped, all on video. 170 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: We understand that video is going to be introduced at 171 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: the trial. I'm going to get to that first. My 172 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: head is spinning because I just heard basketball, ping pong. 173 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: I happen to know that there are yoga classes. What 174 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: I mean, hey, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, what kind of spa 175 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: are you running? Yoga? Basketball, ping pong? Laptop? 176 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: What? He's now in the fourth north dorm style living? 177 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: What yoga? 178 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 7: Yes, sir, he's over in the East building. 179 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 6: Uh, there's a million square feet of space over at 180 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 6: the NBC and there's the east of the West building 181 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 6: and typically. 182 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: Let me just drink that in. 183 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: Hold on, did you say a million square feet of space? 184 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me throw something at you. Microwaves, exercise balls, 185 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: exercise matts, movies, music that you pick your individual selection tablets, 186 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: what lasagna, Knight, pasta, fazoul, radios, watches in the commissary. 187 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is my handwriting. 188 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure I wrote it, but can that be correct? 189 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 7: All is correct except for the microwaves. 190 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 6: They took the microwaves out back in twenty twelve. The 191 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 6: inmates do have access to hot water at a temperature 192 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: about one hundred and eighty degrees, so they can warm 193 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 6: up packets of rice or other new way. 194 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Why do they take the microwave away? 195 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: Were they heating up liquid and throwing it on each other? 196 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: There's such a fun bunch. 197 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 6: Cooking, you know, you can imagine. Guys get very creative. 198 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 6: They cook all types of things. 199 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean for sure. 200 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: So we took the microwaves back in twenty twelve for 201 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 6: security reasons. 202 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 7: But yet they do have access to hot water. But yeah, 203 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 7: is pleased. 204 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 2: How can you look at me with a straight face 205 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: and say the microwaves were taken away from because of 206 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: their creative cooking And you can imagine, you mean, like 207 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: cooking up a molotov? What why were the microwaves taken away? 208 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Now, try to tell the truth. 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 6: I'm telling the truth because they were cooking and then 210 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 6: taking parts off the microwave, making shanks and other things. 211 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 7: So we just took them out. 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I can only imagine what they were cooking out. 213 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: Let's see microwave exercise balls, floor mats, movies, music tablets 214 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: for purchase. I had no idea that you can buy 215 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: radios and watches at the NDC Commissary. 216 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: True fault true. 217 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 7: And you can buy music. 218 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 6: You can download music through the commentsary, and there's several 219 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 6: thousands of songs. 220 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 7: That you can download on to your particular radio. 221 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: For list is it's supposed to be jail, Well, I mean. 222 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 6: You got to have they have to have something to 223 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 6: monitor their time, especially in a jail situation where they're 224 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 6: not really taking re entry programs and different things of 225 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 6: that nature. 226 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 7: So so do you think. 227 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: You know what to Dodger Kimberly, Melman Roseco joining US 228 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: executive director Freedom Light and human trafficking expert witness, author 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: of hidden and playing site America Slaves of the New Millennium. 230 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: Dodger Kimberly, I wonder how the rape victims, and this 231 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: goes back twenty years. 232 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: That's why they've. 233 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: Got a third superseding indictment. These indictments are multi count 234 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: all the women that claim that they were drugged, stripped 235 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: and raped on video, where guys would pose their limbs 236 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: to be raped on video. Wonder how they feel about 237 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: the exercise balls, the exercise mats, the yoga, the basketball, 238 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: the laptop, Lasagna, Knight. How do you think they feel 239 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: about Diddy kicked back watching his favorite movie right now? 240 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: I think that is certainly an area of concern. 241 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 12: I think when you expect punishment, when you expect pentons, 242 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 12: when you expect incarceration, you expect to see a lot 243 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 12: of the freedoms and luxuries of life taken away. 244 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: And I think to some extent that has happened. 245 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 12: But I think that when you're hearing that they're engaging 246 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 12: in other forms of currency and downloading music and having 247 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 12: leisurely exchanges with each other is an area of concern, 248 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 12: and I think it would be disconcerting to his alleged victims. 249 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 250 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Cala Brantley joining me dailymail dot Com investigative Report and 251 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: star of the Trial of Ditty, Kelly, you and I 252 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: were talking just yesterday about the very likely trial delay 253 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: at Sean Cone's request. But can I get you to 254 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: focus in hone in on Ditty's upgrade behind bars, yoga mats, 255 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: exercise balls, lasagna night, When did this happen? 256 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 10: And Nancy, while it might sound like Ditty's having a 257 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 10: great time with you know, the yoga mats and the 258 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 10: exercise balls and the movies, if you look at these 259 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 10: pictures that are on the screen right now, this is 260 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 10: did he in the club holding up an expensive bottle 261 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 10: of tequila? Did he with the crown on his head 262 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 10: as if he's a king of the castle, you know 263 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 10: him with shots right there? He is a far cry 264 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 10: from where he was. So while it might sound like 265 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 10: you know it's mad when you're going from living in 266 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 10: the lap of luxury to a eight x ten cell. 267 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 10: That's a big difference. So I'm sure he's not having 268 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 10: the greatest time of all behind bars. 269 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Whobo hold on, Caleb Brantley, 270 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: Wait a minute. I don't think you're completely familiar with 271 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: the need housing situation? Did he is enjoying? It's more 272 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: of a. 273 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Dorm style listen. 274 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 13: Combs is now housed in a dorm style unit of 275 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 13: the MDC, reserved for up to twenty high profile prisoners. 276 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 13: For North is known to have looser rules than Jen 277 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 13: Pop and both marginally better meals than what Combs was 278 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 13: receiving on Suicide Watch, including chicken sandw hot dogs, and 279 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 13: wings in addition to many forms of entertainment. Combs has 280 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 13: allowed three hundred minutes of phone time each month, but 281 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 13: still does not get a pillow for his less than 282 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 13: twin sized bed. 283 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: Chicken sandwiches, hot dogs, wings, three hundred minutes. 284 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: Of phone time? What this is a dorm style situation? 285 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: He's not sitting in an eight y eleven jail sale. 286 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: He has definitely gotten an upgrade. I mean, I don't 287 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: get lasagna night. 288 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: No, I agree. 289 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 10: I think he definitely has gotten an upgrade, that's for sure. 290 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 10: But he's not in a five star hotel. He's not 291 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 10: in the mansions that he's used to, he's not having 292 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 10: his butler's get him cheesecake at three am, and he's 293 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 10: certainly not having caviat or filet mignon. So while it 294 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 10: is an upgrade, it's still not to the level and 295 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 10: the status that he's accustomed to. So he still is 296 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 10: definitely in some type of detention. While for you know 297 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 10: a lot of us normal people it might seem, you know, 298 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 10: knock that bad. For him coming from his status, it 299 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 10: is a huge change. 300 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: Shawn Combs pleads not guilty to additional charges brought forth 301 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: in his federal sex trafficking case. As his trial looms ahead. 302 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: This as we learn not only does Shaun Combs want 303 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: a big delay that's the defense attorney's best friend, but 304 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: we are learning that the freak Off video videos will 305 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: very likely be brought into evidence by the state. 306 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: Listen Seawan. 307 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 13: Comebs pleads not guilty to the new charges, his legal 308 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 13: team contending the allegations are not new. His defense claims 309 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 13: the accusers remain the same former long term girlfriends who 310 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 13: engaged in a consensual sexual relationship with the rapper. Combs 311 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 13: insists the escapades that prosecutors refer to as freakoffs were 312 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 13: not coerced commercial acts, but joint decisions between romantic partners 313 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 13: to bring other partners into their bed. Combs claims the 314 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 13: freakoff tape pepes prosecutors plan to submit his evidence will 315 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 13: queerly show all parties are active and eager participants. 316 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: Straight out to Chris McDonough joining me, director Colcase Foundation, 317 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: former homicide to take a star of the interview room 318 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: on YouTube where I found him, but from my purposes 319 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 2: right now, he was also a vice investigator, Chris mcdona. 320 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: This is the. 321 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: Oldest defense in the book. Quote she asked for it. 322 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: That's their defense with all those high powered lawyers, and 323 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: they've just added I believe Mark Garrigos and Brian Steele 324 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: both with him. I unfamiliar that said, same old, same own, 325 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: same old, same old. 326 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: She asked for it. It's consensual. 327 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 11: Yeah. 328 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 14: How many times have we heard this, right, Nancy, in 329 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 14: all the years that you've been doing this. I mean, 330 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 14: of course it is right. I mean you always fly 331 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 14: in other sex workers from around the United States for 332 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 14: a consensual contact. I mean, this is absolutely uh you know, classic, 333 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 14: It's right in line with his personality. And you know, 334 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 14: if if all those right, those watches are going to 335 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 14: come in handy because he's gonna be able to watch 336 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 14: that time for quite some time. 337 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: Well. Put, guys, uh, get this, doctor Bethany Marshall, Listen 338 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: to this analysis. Shawn Holmes is going to have to 339 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: say with a straight face to a jury as they 340 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: are watching a freak off the video which has been 341 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: purported to be women who have been doped, naked, covered 342 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: in baby oil, with guys positioning their limbs to get 343 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: a better angle as they are being raped. That's what 344 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: we've been told. Maybe it's completely wrong. But if it 345 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 2: is wrong, why is the state trying to introduce it? 346 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 2: But listen to this, doctor Bethany. The defense is these 347 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: women were all his girlfriends, some of them long term, 348 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: who engaged in can sensual sex with the rapper. Wait 349 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: a minute, does that include Cassie Ventura. We got a 350 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 2: little peek into their quote consensual relationship. Here she is 351 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: walking barefoot down a hotel hallway a corridor. Ooh, look 352 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: who's coming it's Sean comes and he is actually chasing 353 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: her in nothing but a towel. Not what I want 354 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: to open my door at the hotel and see throw 355 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: That doesn't look consensual to me. Dr Bethany, I hope 356 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: you're watching. Look at this grabbing her stuff. Yes, she's 357 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: not going anywhere, and she just lays there and plays 358 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: dead as a defense, and he literally drags her off 359 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: by her neck. Now, according to what we've been told, 360 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura was trying to get away from one of 361 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: these free coughs that he was having in his hotel room. 362 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: Now it's not over yet. There he goes, stomping off 363 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: like a spoiled brat. 364 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: It's not over. 365 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Go ahead, they get through there go oh wow, there 366 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: goes two thousand dollars of a vase. So is this 367 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: an Oh guys, that's from our friends at CNN. I'd 368 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: like to report. The defense is arguing that CNN doctored that. Oh, okay, 369 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: try that with a jury, just like your claim that 370 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 2: this encounter, well, actually it was an aggravated assault with 371 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: feet and fist. Was consensual? Okay, hit me, Doctor Bethany, 372 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: consensual my rear end? 373 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 8: Okay, Nancy, I call this the swinger defense. He's going 374 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 8: to say that he and his female partners were swingers, 375 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 8: meaning that they consensually brought in other couples or other 376 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 8: individuals who were also swingers. But this does not meet 377 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 8: criteria for this sexual subculture. In swingers culture, usually in 378 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 8: if there's a heterosexual couple, they will bring in one 379 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 8: or two women if they do not bring in other men. 380 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 8: So if there was an expert on this, and there 381 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 8: are certainly experts in my field who work with groups 382 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 8: of people who are all in sexual configurations, maybe multiple partners, 383 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 8: they would say that this not only does sex traffic 384 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 8: workers not meet criteria, but the very configuration of how 385 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 8: they're throwing these parties doesn't meet criteria. Criteria Also, the 386 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 8: aggression towards Cassie Ventura. In swinger communities, everybody is very harmonious. 387 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: They're there because they want to be there. 388 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: Did these lawyers want potential jurors questioned about their willingness 389 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: to watch sensitive content in a move some experts speculate 390 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: could mean the infamous freak Off videos will be shown 391 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 3: to the jury at trial. 392 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, I'm sure you, like me, have conducted many, 393 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: many whata Dyers. In fact, I don't have any nightmares 394 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: about trying case. Is that's where I'm the happiest, Like 395 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: a bird out of a cage. I feel better trying 396 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: a case than being out of the courtroom. But that said, 397 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 2: I do have one recurring nightmare, and it is the 398 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: impaneling questions. 399 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: When you first strike. 400 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: A jury, you ask the jury four or five impaneling questions, 401 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: and if any of them raise their hand, they can't 402 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: be on the jury, such as are you a resident 403 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: of in my case, Fulton County, Inner City Atlanta? And 404 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: if they are not, then they're immediately off the jury. 405 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: There's several impaneling questions. In this bad dream, I always 406 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 2: stand up and I can't find and can't remember the 407 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: impaneling questions. Then we have to break. Okay, that's my 408 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: big nightmare. That said, have you ever ever encountered a 409 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: request to conduct Voi Dyer jury selection without talking to 410 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: the jur rs. 411 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 7: I haven't seen something go that far. 412 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 9: I've certainly seen juror questionnaires, and I've been involved in 413 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 9: cases that have that, you know, But part of the 414 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 9: purpose brings the thought. 415 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: Of course, there's GERR questionnaires for Pete's sake. There's always 416 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: jurrr questionnaires, but they want to conduct voda or jury 417 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: selection in writing. 418 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 9: No, it seems like a misfire to me, because you 419 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 9: need the juris to expound upon their answer. Sometimes the 420 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 9: jury put you know, one two word answer. You gotta 421 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 9: know what that means. You want to ask them. You 422 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 9: want to see their demeanor. You want to see, you know, 423 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 9: when you're talking about freakoffs and sex videos. You want 424 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 9: to see who has a guest at that, because those folks, 425 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 9: from a defense perspective, are are folks who don't want 426 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 9: on the jury, And so just written questionnaire seems a 427 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 9: little too sterile, a little too neutral. I think there 428 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 9: needs to be some interpersonal communication with these jurors to 429 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 9: learn it precisely how they feel, you know. 430 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. It's because of the freakoff tapes. The 431 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: defans is worried. Obviously, they're so worried about the freak 432 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: off tapes that they're trying to specifically select gerrs that 433 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: won't be upset when they see whatever's on those tapes. 434 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 8: But tours who won't be upset are jurors who are 435 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 8: acculturated to those kinds of situations. Maybe they've gone to 436 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 8: those kinds of parties, or they think that, you know, 437 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 8: this kind of sexual activity is okay. So those kinds 438 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 8: of durors are likely not to find P. Diddy guilty. 439 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't 440 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: know how that's really going to play out once they 441 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: see these videos. And I have reason to believe that 442 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: more than one free cough tape will be presented at trial. 443 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: I mean Sidney summer. You and I remember when the 444 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: raid went down. There were boxes and boxes and bags 445 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: and bags of video video equipment, one thousand balls of 446 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: baby oil and more taken out of the home the mansion. 447 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: That tells me there's a lot of video Sydney. 448 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 4: I would completely agree, Nancy. There's got to be hundreds 449 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 4: of tapes at least. I mean to Tony, he claims 450 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: he had one hundred and twenty victims. That's just a 451 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 4: ballpark number. And we know that these super skating indictments 452 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: also expanded the years that prosecutors claim this behavior went on. 453 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: And just think about it. 454 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: So the defense is looking for men and women that 455 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: won't get upset when they see whatever is in those 456 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: freak off tapes. It's happening. The tapes are coming into evidence. 457 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of legal hoops you have to jump 458 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: through to get in video evidence, and you'd be totally 459 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: bored if Pattis and I talked about that. So I 460 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: will move on to the fact that the defense wants 461 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: to select the jury through riding. Okay, that's not happening, 462 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: forget about it. But Sean Combs is quote lawyering up. Listen, 463 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: Sean Diddy. 464 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: Combs is making final adjustments to his defense team ahead 465 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: of the trial after Anthony Rico's sudden exit from the team. 466 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: Combs is reportedly moving to add celebrity attorney Mark Garret Ghost, 467 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: who has previously represented Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Colin Kaepernick, 468 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 3: Jesse Small ed Garags's daughter Tenny is already part of 469 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: the team, and Garygos has reportedly been advising on the case, 470 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 3: but he may take more of a lead role. 471 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 8: In the courtroom. 472 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: Combs is reportedly also searching for a black woman willing 473 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 3: to represent him, possibly looking to diversify as some of 474 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: his previous arguments call the government's case racist. 475 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, now we're hearing City Sumner that in the last 476 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: twenty four hours that Shawn Combs has added in Atlanta 477 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: Lawyer that I fairly will Brian Steele. Now let me 478 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: just give you my off the cuff reaction when I 479 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: would say Steele coming down the court on Courthouse Hall 480 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: at me to work a deal or we go to 481 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: set it for trial. It wasn't revulsion. Okay. 482 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: He is a great lawyer, He's likable. He has a 483 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: really good way with a jury. 484 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: I could see him and Geira goes both frankly adding 485 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: a lot to the defense team. Steele did not just 486 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: fall off the turnip truck, and of course neither did 487 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: Mark Geaghos. So what's the thinking, I mean, what do 488 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: we know about this very recent decision. He's already got 489 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: a fleet of lawyers, So why is Hee adding Geargos 490 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: and Steel Nancy. 491 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: I think Diddy just wants every single person in his 492 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: corner that he can get. Only one who has defended 493 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: a similar case he wants in his corner. He wants 494 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 4: as many heads as possible working on how to make 495 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: that outcome not guilty. 496 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know this is after one lawyer voluntarily left Ditty's. 497 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 13: Defense just ahead of his sex trafficking and racketeering trial. 498 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 13: Anthony Rico, one of Combe's high powered defense attorneys, has 499 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 13: suddenly quit the case. Rico filed a brief motion asking 500 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 13: to be relieved of his duties, saying, quote, under no 501 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 13: circumstances can I continue to effectively serve as counsel for 502 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 13: Shawn Combs. Rico gives little context to the statement in 503 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 13: the filing to protect attorney client privilege, but the withdrawal 504 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 13: seems to come with approval from lead attorney Mark Agnifhilo. 505 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 13: Rico promises his recusal will not delay trial or leave 506 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 13: Combs high and dry. With five other attorneys still actively 507 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 13: working on the case, Hunter. 508 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: Biden and Michael Jackson's former lawyer, Mark Gerrigos is rumored 509 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: to take up the task of defending Ditty in his 510 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: upcoming federal sex trafficking trial. Will he be successful? 511 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: In addition to what we believe will be damning freak 512 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: off videos, And let me tell you, it's not just 513 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: one of them. Judging by what was taken out of 514 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Shawn Combs's mansion, video equipment, videos, videos, videos, baby oil, 515 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: you name it. I'm anticipating a lot of videos being 516 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: produced at chial by the state, which is telling, but 517 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: now more violence rears its ugly head as a damning 518 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: claim against did he listen? 519 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 15: New details from an LAPD police report show neither Sean 520 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 15: or Justin Combs were questioned in relation to a twenty 521 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 15: twenty two shooting that Rodney Jones claimed happen inside Challis 522 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 15: Studios at the father and son's hands. The report claimed 523 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 15: surveillance video captured the victim being shot by Rudolph Flowers 524 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 15: as he got into his car parked a half block 525 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 15: from Challice. The victim then ran back to Challis for 526 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 15: help and was found by officers sitting in a black 527 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 15: folding chair outside. Jones attorney Tyrone Blackburn says the police 528 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 15: report reflects the story Sean Combs instructed everyone to tell, 529 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 15: and points out the report makes no mention. 530 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: Of muzzle flashes in the video. 531 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 15: Blackburn claims he has several witnesses to confirm Jones' version 532 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 15: of events, but has not revealed their identities. 533 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: Guys, you saw a commode totally covered in blood. That's 534 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: the incident we're talking about. Why was it Sean Combe's 535 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: question following this incident and why do we care. 536 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: About this incident? 537 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: Because he goes hand in hand to prove that guns 538 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 2: and weapons may have been used as a threat on 539 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: the free Cough victims. We are the same thing over 540 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: and over and over. Specifically, listen. Record producer Rodney Litl. 541 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: Rod Jones claimed Shawn Comb sexually harassed, drugged, and threatened 542 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: him in a previous lawsuit, but now Jones says Combs 543 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: and his son are involved in the shooting in an 544 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: LA recording studio challice, but Combs had the story changed 545 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: to where the shooting occurred blocks away from the studio. 546 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: Jones claims Comb's son, Justin, and her friend knowingly as 547 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: G got into a beef in the bathroom. A shot 548 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: is fired and Shawn Combs and his son Justin come 549 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: out of the bathroom, leaving G to bleed all over 550 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: the floor. Jones claims he takes G to a waiting 551 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: ambulance and he's taken to the hospital. Police reports indicate 552 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: the shooting took place blocks away from the studio. The 553 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: significance of this prior shooting incident cannot be underestimated. 554 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: We have scores of. 555 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: Photos of the shooting scene afterwards, but for some reason, 556 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Shawn Combs was never questioned and then somehow the story changed. 557 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: To where the shooting occurred. 558 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: But we have the pictures of the blood, and it 559 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: goes hand in hand with the story that the victim 560 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: was propped up on a commode and EMT's recalled. 561 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Look at it. 562 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: How can that have happened at another location where the 563 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: photos prove it happened there. 564 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Why would Shawn Colmbs lie about it? 565 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: This goes hand in hand with multiple shooting incidents. 566 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Listen. 567 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 11: Investigators may also be taking a second look into the 568 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 11: nineteen ninety nine Club New York shooting, based on allegations 569 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 11: in Rodney Jones lawsuit that Combs bragged about bribing witnesses 570 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 11: and jurors at trial, sharing that he pulled the trigger 571 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 11: that night, not Jamal Shine Berrow. Barrow served nearly nine 572 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 11: years in prison for opening fire and injuring three during 573 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 11: an altercation with another club goer while out celebrating a 574 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 11: new record deal with Combs and his girlfriend at the time, 575 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 11: Jennifer Lopez. The lawsuit a ledge's Combs shared that Lopez 576 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 11: carried the gun and passed it to him during the altercation. 577 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 11: Victim Natanya Rubin, has also long insisted that Comb shot her, 578 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 11: not Arro Lopez was never charged in the shooting, and 579 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 11: Combs was acquitted of four counts criminal possession of a 580 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 11: weapon and bribery. 581 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: If these allegations are brought in a similar transactions, Jennifer 582 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: Lopez may be dragged to this, dragged into this trial. 583 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: After all, the significance cannot be underestimated. Let me say 584 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: it again, introducing violence like this on these victims, and 585 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: of course, in addition to the j Low incident, how 586 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: can we complete the conversation without mentioning the late the 587 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: Great to Pauk. 588 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 11: Shakur, Dwayne Keethy. D Davis blames credit for Tupac's murder 589 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 11: on bet and in his memoir he says Puffy Combs 590 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 11: wanted Night and Tupac's heads after their disc track hit 591 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 11: them up. When Davis offers to carry out the hits, 592 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 11: Combs agrees to pay him one million dollars. 593 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: Eric Fattis gunshots, gunshot, wounds, shootouts, one victim after the next, 594 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: Tupac Shaker is dead. Then you have the shooting at 595 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: the studio where we just showed the pictures that corroborate 596 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: what the victim said, being propped up of on a. 597 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: Commode as he was bleeding out. 598 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: He lived by the way to tell the tale, but 599 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: nobody's listening. Now you have more threats by gun Eric. 600 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: This is very serious. Forget about the mackerel and the 601 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: upgrade at the MDC. I'm very surprised that there is 602 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 2: a fourth superseding indictment on gun and gunshot charges. 603 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 7: Yeahnfi. 604 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 9: It wouldn't be unusual when you look at the federal 605 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 9: rico charge of selling one thing, it alleges is a 606 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 9: pattern of conduct in which he uses his resources and 607 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 9: affiliates and sometimes violence to manipulate the legal system, to 608 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 9: intimidate witnesses, to tamper with evidence. And so these allegations 609 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 9: regarding these shootings go hand in hand with that that 610 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 9: he is using that style of manipulation and that is 611 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 9: his approach, that's his strategy to try to keep himself 612 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 9: out of trouble, and so it wouldn't be unusual for 613 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 9: the prosecution to try to bring up those things as 614 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 9: either similar transactions or as additional charge defenses. 615 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: Jailed rapper and musician Sean Puffy Combs hid with more 616 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 3: charges amidst a federal sex trafficking case that alleges the 617 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 3: musician use his power and status in the music industry 618 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 3: to coerce unknowing victims. 619 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 2: This as we learn that the Shawn Kim's defense team 620 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: has to painted and demanding access to raw, unedited interviews 621 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: and materials from the investigation discovery documentary The Fall of 622 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: Ditty and I think I know why, Listen. 623 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 3: Combs's legal team is demanding access to the raw and 624 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 3: edited interview and materials from the investigation discovery documentary The 625 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: Fall of Ditty. The defense is also asking for any 626 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 3: notes or journals sent to the series producers and records 627 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 3: of any payments that may have been made to two 628 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: specific interviewees, Combs's former chef, referred to as Individual A 629 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 3: and Individual B, a former girlfriend. The chef spoke out 630 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 3: about how Combs treated her, as well as rumors she 631 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: heard about Combs's behavior while his ex girlfriend discussed their relationship, 632 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 3: including an alleged incident of sexual assault. Legal reps for 633 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 3: parent company Warner Brothers are asking the New York judge 634 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 3: to squash the subpoena, citing reporters privilege. 635 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner investigative reporter, I'll tell you why. 636 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: I think that Shawn Comes's defense team wants all the 637 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: outtakes to that particular documentary and probably others similar to it. 638 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 2: They want to see what landed on the cutting room floor. 639 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: They want to see if there's anything that was edited 640 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: out that they can use to cross examine these potential witnesses. 641 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: I think that's what. 642 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 4: They're after most definitely, Nancy. They're looking for anything exculpatory, 643 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 4: anything that is contrary to what the general narrative is. 644 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 4: They want to make Combs not look like this monster, 645 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 4: but a thoughder figure with a weird sex life. 646 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: All of this is brewing as the state suffers a blow. 647 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: Now it may not seem. 648 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: Like a blow to you, but it is a blow. 649 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 2: A major claim against Sean Combs's colleague and longtime friend, 650 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: Jay Z has been dropped amid a lot, a lot 651 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 2: of controversy. 652 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: I want you to hear Jane Doe. 653 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: Now, this is a client that Tony Busby who was 654 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: going up against jay Z. This was one of his clients, 655 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: Busby's clients. Listen to her caught on the phone with 656 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: jay Z's private investigator. He was there that he didn't 657 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: have anything to do with. 658 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: The any sexual acts towards you. It was strictly yeah, 659 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: he was the. 660 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 14: One that kind of pushed me towards going. 661 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 2: Forward with him with jay Z. Buzzbyda Yeah. You know 662 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 2: why that secretly recorded conversation is from our friends at 663 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: ABC Sidney Sumner. That was a major blow because if 664 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 2: it is suggested that Tony Buzzy fabricated a case against 665 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 2: jay Z. You see where I'm going with this. It's 666 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 2: going to be alleged he fabricated cases against Sean Comes. 667 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 2: That's where that is headed. That is why a victory 668 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 2: for jay Z. I mean that old case was dismissed 669 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 2: and jay Z said from the get go that didn't happen. Now, 670 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: if Buzzby is somehow discredited, his other claims can be 671 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 2: discredited to claims against Sean Combs, including potential victims and 672 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: the criminal case. 673 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 4: See yes, this could be potentially devastating for all of 674 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 4: the victims that Buzzy claims to represent. And that's exactly 675 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 4: what jay Z is accusing him of is in this 676 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 4: defamation lawsuit, jay Z says Busby made the whole thing up, 677 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 4: he pushed his client to do this. But an important 678 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 4: distinction the victim Jane Doe, who is on that recording 679 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 4: saying those things had now come back and said, you know, 680 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: I was terrified when these pis showed up on my doorstep. 681 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 4: I said whatever I thought they wanted me to say, 682 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 4: so that they would leave me alone. Because she filed 683 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 4: this anonymously, her name is Jane Doe. That's all we 684 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 4: know about this victim, and she has done a few 685 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 4: public anonymous interviews, but she does not want her name 686 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 4: out there. So the fact that these two pis showed 687 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 4: up on her doorstep unannounced was purifying for her. 688 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: Is it the beginning? 689 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: Is it the first domino and a whole series of 690 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: dominoes to fall for the state. I don't think so, 691 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: but it does present a problem. We wait as justice 692 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 2: and folds. And now we remember an American hero police 693 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 2: officer Eddie Mundo Junior, Lagrange Police Kentucky, killed in the 694 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: line of duty a US Marine Corvette, survived by grieving 695 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: wife Brandy and son Julian American hero officer Eddie Mundo Junior. 696 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.