WEBVTT - Episode 414 w/ DJ Charlie Chase 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.440 He is Drake Chans motherfucking podcast make si. He's a 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.279 legendary queen's rapper. He's a great as your boy in 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:18.840 O R E. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.759 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.720 J e f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.720 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:26.439 you know what I mean, and. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.040 The most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.639 for drunk Chans. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.600 Mother every day is New Year's c Listen, It's time 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.160 for drink Champions. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.640 Drink up mother Mother? 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.440 Would it good be? How many is your boy in 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:46.519 O R E? What up? 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:47.640 His DJ e f N? 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.520 And this motherfuckering miller say yappy? 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:50.400 Our make some. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.000 With me? And e f N started this show. We 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:04.680 always said we wanted to give to legends, people that 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.520 came before us, people that was around us, and this 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.960 brother right here in a lot of ways. If he 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:20.800 didn't exist, I don't think EFN would exist. I don't 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.360 think Nori would exist. I don't think this show would exist. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.319 He's kind of like drink Chap's godfather. I don't even 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:36.760 know if he knows this. He's the man's man DJ. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.920 When I tried to Google, how many times his name 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.080 was said on our show, And I think it got 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.200 to be close to like three hundred times people were 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:52.920 just saying hip hop, and when it was invented, he 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:57.160 was there when they were playing disco records. It wasn't 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.720 even considered hip hop at that time. I'm so excited 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:09.720 for this interview, to give this brother his flowers, to 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.440 make sure that he understands how important and how much 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.960 of a legend he is, because, like I said, not 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.720 only me and EFN probably wouldn't be here together as 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.440 friends if it was for him. But guess what, guys, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:31.240 everyone around here might not be here. No, not you, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.240 especially not you. So in case you don't know who 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:43.560 the fuck we're talking about, motherfucking I want to get 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.000 straight into it. I'm not even gonna like the bad 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.720 day off immediately. I am a proud Latino. I am 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.919 a proud Puerto Rican. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.040 I know you are, and. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.960 I heard said I was watching you on the interviews, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:06.880 and and by the way, leading up to this, everyone 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.000 always they always say, man, you gotta you gotta get 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:15.400 Charlie up here. You gotta have Charlie up here. But me, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:22.720 and this is a question, this is kind a pure curiosity. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.360 How the fuck did you do what you're doing? Like, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.280 because like I was so I was so happy, you know, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:36.440 researching everything about you. But I guess what I'm trying 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:42.680 to say is you're the originator. You are you, You're 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.560 an originator. But I'm asking you, like me and EFN, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.520 when we started this show, we had doubts and at 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.440 some point, you know, we were like, are we sure? 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.320 Are we gonna do this? So what I'm asking you 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.560 right now is when the hip hop was originally you 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.640 got to see the first parties, you got to be there. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.960 You had a doubt that this music will go that far? 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.600 Yeah, I mean remember. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.720 Remember listen, people try to put a date on a 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.719 hip hop when it started, and it's it's not fair 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:21.120 to do. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:22.920 And I'll tell you why. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.840 For example, hip hop was a culture that was already 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.000 beginning even before Hurka, when people. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.680 Were wearing the mark next the cago. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.080 The British walkers, the Gazales that wear all that, the 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.280 graffiti on the denim on the jackets, people were already 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:41.960 doing that. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.600 The parties gave us a place to meet up where 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:45.159 we get. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.800 Now people of my life community can actually see meet up, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.400 see how how we were, how we were doing, and 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.720 right then and there we'd see what you were wearing 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.599 the light Dan, and then next thing, you know, that 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.520 guy would go back. So the culture was already bubbling up. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.200 The parties was just a place for us. It wasn't 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.080 excuse for us to get together. So now we can, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.719 we can. So the culture was already happening. So to 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.560 put a date on it and to even call it 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.560 hip it wasn't even called hip hop in it was 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.279 the jams, you know the CNN where the people in 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.640 the streets, the high schools. Yo, did you hear about 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.400 this happening this weekend? Did you about flash happening this weekend? 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.560 Charlie Chase up in the Bronx at one eighteen part 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.200 I mean phone calls, There was no beavers, there was 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:31.120 no no cell phone there where the mouthles on fire. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:32.320 And think about this. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:33.200 It happened. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.880 It happened the way it happened because it was brand 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.560 new and every single day, every minute of every single day, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.120 and everything would we did was brand new. You know 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.720 what that feeling is to wake up every day and 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.000 it's like, Yo, this is branded. We didn't know what 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.920 we were doing. We didn't know we were ruling a culture. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.760 We didn't know we were creating an industry. It was 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.479 just something that was right right now. To be fair 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.400 to say that I was at the very very beginning, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.840 it's not true because Heirk started into seventy three. That's 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.120 when they say he started seventy five and as a 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:07.880 disco DJ. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:09.960 Disco d I was a disco. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.920 DJ in seventy five, right, I was with my crew, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:13.640 Tom and Jerry. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.360 Tom and Jerry got my notes. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:15.520 Right, but. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:18.760 Go. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.080 So I started then into seventy six, and that's when 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.960 I started dabbling because I always grew up appreciating and 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.560 liking R and B music right and funk, and I 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:28.760 was always at being a musician. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.160 I gravitated that I loved it. So I was always. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.919 Playing like the Blackbirds or really listening to all this 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.280 R and B. WBLS at the time was the total 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.800 black experience in sound. That was what they used to 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.599 call themselves. And I was always tuned to WBLS, so 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.719 I always listened to that music. I love it on 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.960 top of my mother playing south Side and all that 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.200 stuff in the house. So I was always submerged in music, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.080 and I learned actually to appreciate everything because growing up, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.200 there was a station in New York called w It 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.240 was w A seventy seven w ABC, which is now 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.560 a sports talk station. Back in the day, it was 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.359 a music station that played everything. And when I say everything, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.440 everything everything. It was not like compartmentalized like today you 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.720 got R and B station rocks. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.920 They literally played everything. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.000 So I learned how to appreciate everything and all these 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.240 different styles of music. And I grew up on that station, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.480 and that's how that and there was My father was 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.920 a musician, so there was always music in my house. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.520 So that's how I got to appreciate it all. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.280 This morning, I was researching, just doing more and more 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.080 and more research, and you maybe cry this morning. I'm 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.160 gonna tell you why you'll make me cry. It made 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.600 me cry. But I looked and you said, you said, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.760 you said, because me, I'm black in Puerto Rican, right, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.600 so when I hang with the black people, they used 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.680 to make fun of me for being with the Latinos. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.360 When I hang with the Latinos, used to make fun 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.120 of me for being with the black people. But I 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.840 really couldn't choose the side. And you said something, you said, yo, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.840 when you used to play this music, these people used 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.480 to come up to you and say why you're playing 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:12.480 this jungle bunny music? Like I literally, like I literally 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.920 my sitters was like, holy shit, that's something that was 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.520 hard for me when I was my wife is right there, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.200 my wife she right there. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.040 I'm sorry. So my wife was right there and I 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.560 looked and I was like, yo, his life is literally 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.400 like if you didn't have your life, I might have 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.720 not had my life. So I look, is that was 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.240 that something that was hard to like balance you know 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.520 what I mean? Because there's no blueprint to what you did. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.840 Like you are Fat Joe's blueprint. You are big Punts blueprint. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.079 You are my blueprint, but you had no blueprint. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:51.760 Right. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.720 Well, you know it's funny that you say that because 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.120 my business partner Eric, when we went to New York 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.960 to see the Delaya for me here and we saw 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.160 your segment, but you just said to me. I said 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.280 to them, it's like, bro, I feel like, you know, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.800 we shared the same parallels, like for real, for real, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.920 for real? I say, all right, I had said that 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.360 to my business father at the premiere. My party is 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.199 not here, and I said, man, I can appreciate what 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.960 he's going through because we basically went through the same 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.760 things that you were telling your storyline. That's crazy. So 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.240 to answer your question right, I didn't give a fuck 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.960 about what anybody thought. I really didn't. I'm now to 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.400 be honest with you, the people from my age weren't 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.320 the ones who really bitch in the morning. It was 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.000 of a competition thing, and there was a lot of 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.640 smack talking, you know, and there was people snapping, a 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.800 lot of smack talking and that type of thing. But 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.880 really the people who were being prejudiced against me. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.920 At the time, Puerto. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.760 Ricans and the black community, because. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.400 Remember I told you it was all new. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.599 I was one of them guys that were keep a 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.480 build with people up one to two in the morning 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.320 on the two when they had to go to work. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.720 Oh kind of ship, you know, you little. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.160 Really, all the animosity and all the hate, like all 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.360 all the racism and stuff came from the older people 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.840 because I was and they didn't understand it. They didn't 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.040 get what was going on. I mean to be honest 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:21.640 with you, I didn't get what was going on. But 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.560 whatever it was, it was something inside of me that 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.880 just made me keep doing it. So to answer the question, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.920 I didn't give a ship what anybody thought. I liked 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:29.640 what I was doing. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.000 I was feeling it. Plus I was getting mad attention 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:32.560 from the girls. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:39.800 I was like, that was the driver, right right, right right. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.720 I ain't gonna lie to you, Bro, I really appreciate you. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.320 I want to tell you that, you know, thank you 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.520 because a lot of people, you know, we we say 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.560 that to a person after it's gone and whatever. But 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.000 me researching you, I was just like, damn, like it 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.640 just kept going, and it just kept going, kept going. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.640 And so many people come on this sit in the 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.920 same seat as you say, and they're like, yo, do 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.719 you know about Johnnie Chase? And we're always like, of course, bro, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:15.480 we want to on. But your class for signified man, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:20.760 and you're you're, you're, you're, you're literally the reason why 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.600 being fin it's here because, like I said, even me 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.559 and I friend like, we didn't have this. There was 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.560 no podcast like us to give flowers to people, to 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.360 tell people that you know, prior to that. So when 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.760 I'm looking and I'm just just telling you, let's talk 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.320 about the Moderate crew. What is it? Monterrey crew, the 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:42.600 Monterrey projects right. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.559 Right, It was a project that was around the corner 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.640 from my house on Adia then ofth Avenue. They were 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.520 a bunch of young kids. They I was always in 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.599 the community center and we would play ping pong. This 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:54.839 there was a place that hang out in the winter 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:55.679 where we couldn't. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:01.040 Play ping pong. Of course I do. I got this, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.520 I got the ticket, I got this. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:06.640 Old man can still kick. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.640 Away. So the montery crew they they they were always 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:13.280 playing music. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.520 They had this little baby speakers and stuff like that. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.360 And I was always in that the community center, and 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.920 I was always I was with one of the DJ's 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.480 brother in a band, in a in a project band 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.640 that we have playing instruments. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:23.840 Right. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.079 So one day I was going to the back to 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.680 play some ping pong and I noticed that the. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.400 Main community room where they throw the parties and stuff 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:32.760 was dark. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.640 And I'm hearing music, and I'm hearing this music that 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.560 I'm familiar with, and I'm like, wait a minute, I 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.240 know all this music like Jimmy Cast, the Blackbirds, all 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:40.600 that s right. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.560 So I'm like I'm looking through the. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.160 Glass and it's packed and it's a hot box in there, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.000 and all like I see was the one light, you 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.640 know when you take the lamp shade. You tell you 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.080 looked off the shade and one of those lamps was there, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.520 and I saw that. I'm like, and then I saw 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.920 a familiar face. So I walked in there and I 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.079 looked at and Yo, what's going on? And it's like, nah, man, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.440 we're just jamming out here is what we do. And 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.720 I'm like, yo, I know these records. You know, they 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.160 would play like I said, Jimmy cast the somebody. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.360 They're like, oh, I'm James Brown. You know records like that. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.240 And this is pre breaks. This is just their place, pre. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.120 Breaks, right, So we were just like just they were 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.319 just actually the breaks already existed. We just brought them 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.520 up to speed. Remember that, for some of these breaks 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.480 were created in the sixties, nobody was looping the breaks. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.200 They was looping at the breaks at that time. I 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.360 have to see them loop the we're going to go 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.120 to flash and that's the rise, right. So that when 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.439 I went in there and I saw them doing it, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.600 I'm like, yo, man, I liked this. I was already 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.199 a disco DJ with Tom and Jerry, so I said, man, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.319 I know this music. I like this music. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:40.280 I love this music. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.520 And I when I started picking their brain, and I'm like, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:43.959 you know what, I want to try this. I want 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.720 to I want to start switching up because this is why. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.600 When I seen the crowd appreciating it and dancing to him, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.800 we were young kids at the time, you know, to me, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.719 that was yo, this is this is cool. So that 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.480 kind of kind of lit the flame for me to 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.240 go in that direction, just to start playing R and 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.800 B and that kind of music and stuff. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.880 And you know, so, let me ask you because when 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.120 I researched, right, it says you dropped in seventy five, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:13.480 but it says that you got your name from chasing 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.320 grand Master Flash. Yeah, but online it says grand Master 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.080 Flash came out in seventy eight, right, So how could 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:23.960 that be if you came out in seventy five. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.320 No, Flash didn't come out in seventy eight. Clash Flash 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.960 came out before that. And he'll tell you that himself. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.440 I mean, I know he was on the show. Flash 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.200 Flash had perfected the quick mix theory. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.120 He perfected in seventy six, he tells me. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.920 Seventy six or so, seventy five seventy six, that's when 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.560 he started doing it. In seventy six, seventy seven was 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.640 when they started doing everybody started catching. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:48.920 Yeah, I was born seventy seven, that's right. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.840 So that's when I caught my eye on Flash. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.200 It was around seventy. No, I didn't want a boat 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.880 him because fat, I was. Flash was bigger than that 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.080 was like a superhero word, you know. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.920 Whene was when he hit that record the ground and. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.520 I was like, this, motherfucker's cool. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:07.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.320 So Flash, when I seen him doing what he was doing, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.600 I said to myself, Yo, I know some of these 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.000 records that he's playing. I'm like, I can do this, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.800 you know. And I saw what he was doing, and 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.720 I'm like, I know I could do this, you know. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.360 So I went back and I started practicing and trying 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.120 to get it and trying to get in on fire. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.360 What you've seen in Kingwood, I was seeing Flash. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:29.720 You know. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.080 Listen, they tell you Latinos created hip hop. That's not true. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.720 Well, we there to help develop it in the evolution. Absolutely, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:41.400 nobody can step that. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.400 Away from that. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.520 You can deny it as much as you want. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.000 But back in the Bronx, as much as people talk 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.240 shit Latinos and the Black community, we were like this. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.320 We understand. We had each other's back. We knew that 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.840 we like ground Messling cast says, we knew we all 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.760 had we all we got, you understand, and we were 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.800 always close. I always I always have black friends, and 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.240 I always had Latino friends, and I was friends with everybody. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.440 You understand, there was a lot of Latinos that that 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.720 didn't come out that weren't obviously after the Latinos later on, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.080 people realized, oh they're Latinos. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.760 Do you know how many friends I knew that I 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.600 thought was straight up black and I found out I 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.640 would go visit them in the they were and they 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.720 were Spanish in your house and in the house and 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:29.080 I'm like, you're Spanish, he speak Spanish? Like oh yeah, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.560 you didn't know? No, Yeah, So that that was how 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.840 so flash was was the reason that I gave myself 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:38.120 the name. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.760 So I'm like, what am I? 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.640 You know, I came up with all kind of stupid 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.480 names you know before, Yeah, like, no, I didn't go 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:50.520 public with this, but let's tell us of the names DJ, Snake, DJA. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:56.400 Yes, I forgot some of you. But what that was 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:57.240 the most. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.240 Right And I'm seeing myself, damn, you know if I'm 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.880 going to do this, man, I I'm I'm I was driven. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.680 I always knew that if I whatever I put my 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.720 head to, I would be good at So I said 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.080 to myself, I know that I'm going to be good 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:08.800 at this, and I know that. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.600 Sooner or later I'm going to meet for Flash. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.040 I didn't know what to call myself. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:13.240 Now. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.120 There was a television show on TV at the time 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.680 called The Chase, and the way it started was there 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.639 was a license plate they said the Chase, and the 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.600 car would take off. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.800 And when I saw that. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.280 That was when I said, that's Tony Chase right there. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.040 Because I'm chasing Flash. Flash was ahead of me. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.800 I told Flash this, Flash, I said, I'm chasing grand 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:31.399 Master Flash. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.000 I said, that's the name. Well, corse Man, you know 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.960 now in that time once once you know, I got Tony. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.919 Tony is the reason why I really was thrust it 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.080 into that because I was I was known in my neighborhood, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.959 in the local blocks in my neighborhood, I was I 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.520 was the man, you understand, but nobody really knew who 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.800 I was. I didn't actually get out until I met Tony. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.000 Tony he was the one that was who was already 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.600 would breakout or not. He was DJ, so he already 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.600 knew everybody. He knew Bam, he knew Flash, you know 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.560 all these people, and he introduced me to them. So 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.679 that's all. I was basically thrown into into the pocket 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.680 of that. But a lot of these people didn't even 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.360 know I existed. But yet my neighborhood hip hop was well, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.399 the culture was thriving, you know. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.639 So let me ask you, right, I remember, you know, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.399 Pun was like my best friend, right. I loved I 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.679 loved Fun so much, but I remember him always being 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.439 a little upset for a person saying he's nice for 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:37.399 a Latino cheer. But it's it's who deal with, right 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:43.960 Some some some people will say, you know, like where's Diego? 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.480 Diego was was whoopy? And we were googling New York 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.119 Riecans right, New yor Ricans right. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:51.720 And. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.359 We all came up. I'll say, oh, ship, I forgot 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.879 part of the community, right. But let me get back 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.800 to what I was trying to say. I remember Pun 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.320 being disgusted that people would say, Pun, you're nice. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.080 For Puerto Rican, for Puerto Rican. I got that shit 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.760 a lot, Pun talking. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:21.400 This mother falk And then I started to realize, holy shit, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:26.080 that telling that about me. They're like, Laurie's nice for 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:30.879 a Puerto Rican? Is that something that I know you 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.600 just said it, but I want to ask it and 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.680 re iterating you had to do it this way longer 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.119 than me. So how does how did that feel like? 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.680 Hearing that, to be honest with you, didn't affect me. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.280 You want to know why because I didn't know any better. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:46.239 I didn't know. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.320 I wasn't into it. I didn't feel like it was 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:49.080 a racist remark. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.440 I didn't feel anything because I didn't feel racism at 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:51.720 that time. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.320 I wasn't raised that way or to think that way. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.280 I didn't know what that was. 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.960 Or how severe. I wasn't exposed to the severity of 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.719 racism until till later. So when I heard that I 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.520 was beautiful to me there was a freaking compliment. It's like, Yo, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.720 that's coming from the black community. Yo, that's a compliments. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.560 That's showing that's showing me that I'm doing something right. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.320 So I never really took offense to it. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.400 Never did, you know, But to say about Big Pun, 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.680 I met him one time, get out of here. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.280 One time I was playing at Jimmy's Bronx Cafe. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.320 Goddamn, it was like smell Jimmy's bos cafe. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.440 And he said it was a Tuesday night. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.959 And somebody says, Yo, Pun is here, and I'm like, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.400 oh wait a minute, I said, yo, take over. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.360 I got to speak to one. I want to meet him. 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.760 I see he's sitting there with one other cat right, 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.200 He's sitting at the table. He's eating. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.400 So I'm like, damn, I don't want to disturb I said, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.080 but I'm not going to get another chance to talk 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:42.159 to me. And I got to get back to what 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.720 I'm doing. So I go over him very politely. I said, 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.680 excuse me, sir, I said, Pun, excuse me, and he's annoyed, 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.240 like general life. You got to look like what the 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.639 fuck you are? You know? And I said, I said, listen, 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.080 I know we don't know each other. I don't mean 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.800 to disturb you, but I felt that I really needed 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.320 to introduce myself to you. I said, my name is 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.879 DJ Charlie Chase the Cold. Because he loans up. 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.199 Of course, he got up. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.600 He got up, he threw his arms around me. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.080 He hugged me, said you don't understand. Thank you. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.560 He was thanking me, giving me all kind of accolades 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.959 and stuff. And I said to him, I said, yo, 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:17.840 I just wanted to come by meet and say bro 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.399 that I'm proud of what you're doing the way you 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.199 represented us. And he turned to his man and he said, 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:23.359 did you hear this? 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.960 He says, He t me, you don't. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:34.200 Understanding exactly what that we spoke for fifteen minutes or 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:35.600 sold because I had to get back, and that we 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.200 exchanged numbers and I never got to see him again 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.919 en after that, But that was that was It felt 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.760 good to hear that coming from somebody at that point. 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.600 He was already successful, you understand. And and to hear 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.560 that from him, you know, I to hear it from 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.320 you when when you're when you start getting my age, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.280 and you hear people giving you, perhaps with younger people 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.480 who are successful, you say your So that's that's at 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.480 least for me, that he's a good impres makes me 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:02.800 feel good because damn that ship, you know, I still 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.000 got a little gas in the. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.040 Tank, right, legacy right, So it makes me feel good. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.679 So pun made me feel good when he said that, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.640 you know, and and and and I and I really 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.399 felt good meeting him. And I think his reaction was 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.120 really was was my reward? You know what I'm saying, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:19.000 It was my reward. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.359 Let me just tell you something, and I want to 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.879 reiterate it. I said it earlier. I'm gonna say it again. Literally, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.240 if it wasn't for you and your relentlessness from what 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.280 you did, I don't think drink Champs would exist. This 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.320 is a real talk. This is real talk. I mean 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.720 this is He's one of the most stubborn persons I 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.960 know and I am too in a different way. Well, 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:50.000 our love for each other is hip hop. And if 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.000 it wasn't for you and what you did, the legacy 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:57.359 that you laid out prior to us, you actually drink 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:05.480 Champs father bro show, it's giving people with the flowers 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.720 our show, and we wanted to give you your flowers 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:15.760 face to face. Man. Yeah, yeah, well man, thank you. 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:17.520 No, man, this is dope. 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.520 And so let's let's let's talk about they're trying to 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.679 rename the Porto Rican Parade after you. 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.840 No, no, okay, okay. 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.119 This year they called I thought I was being punked 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:30.520 at first. 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:31.200 Okay. 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.679 They called me up and said, listen, you know, we 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.879 see the way, we know that you've been doing this 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.680 and the person actually the directing I was a friend 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:39.359 of mine who I grew up with as kids. We 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.719 used to work. You've care in New York City, whatever 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.000 job call or you've called you called when you had 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.520 the jobs and stuff. Lillian Rodriguez, she's now the chairman 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.760 of the place. So I've known million for years. We 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.800 grew up in the same clique, same friends. We don't 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:53.439 like family. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:53.840 Wow. 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.040 And she called me up and she said, Chase, you know, 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:58.560 you know, we know, I know you from an years. 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.800 I feel that you've never gotten your flowers, she says, 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:02.160 I see. 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.959 She says you can get your flowers first. 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.000 So she said, you know you never got your flowers 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:10.960 and and and she says, you've. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.119 You've done so much, You've upped it, uplifted. 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.280 The Hispanic community so much that I just want to 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.560 ask you if you if you would like to be 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.080 the twenty twenty four Puerto Rican they ambassador. 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.600 Oh that's incredible. And then I said, stop sucking with me, Lilily, 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.800 But she says no, no, straight up. And I was like, 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.840 are you first? She said yeah. I'm like I was. 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.320 I was speechless. 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.639 I always got some and I was like, yeah, I 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.760 said yes, I'll do it, you know, are you kidding me? 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.360 I'm like, this comes full circle for me as much 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.639 as I'm four. So I'm the ambassador. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.600 Now there's a few other honies like Lisa, Lisa Well, 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:56.959 I can't speak. I shouldn't be. She's mad, She's parade 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:58.560 are there are few other people like I'm not going 0:24:58.600 --> 0:24:59.000 to stay. 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.880 Because I want to let them, allow them just. 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.240 To I don't know. 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.800 But yeah, So this year I'm going to be there. 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.560 They're they're having this big banquet at the Plaza Hotel 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.840 and all the Armies honor on Friday Saturday. 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.399 Of course it's one hundred sixteenth Street. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.840 We're gonna be up there hanging out great a Sunday 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:22.119 and then I'm throwing well, they're throwing me a big 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.760 after party from the parade in my honor, and they 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.320 invite them all kind of people, celebrity kind of stuff. Man. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:29.119 So for that, man, So if you in town, made 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.000 you guys are more than work on the come Brouck. 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:35.680 I'm coming just for you, yeah, man. 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.399 So that's that's a big honor for me. 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.399 It's a hugere you know, the acceptance that you feel 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:43.800 coming from something like that. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:44.840 I mean the parade is. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.040 Look, it's the biggest parade besides besides the West Indon 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.879 Parade in Brooklyn. That's the biggest parade, Bigger than the 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.120 Thanks Every parade, Bigger than. 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:53.719 The Saint Patrick's. They parade bigger. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.280 Three million people in attenders, five million people watching on TV. 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:58.760 Come on, man, how could you not? 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:00.720 Honestly, you should have had You should have gotten this 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.000 on her a long time ago. 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:03.440 You know what. 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.880 I've never been the type to feel like I would 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:08.720 be mad because of something I didn't get. You Ever 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.600 see somebody who wins prizes and like, damn, I got 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.160 one hundred dollars, I should have got this that it's 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.000 not me. I'll bend yo, thank you. You know That's 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.600 how I feel about it. Didn't it didn't get it before. 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:19.000 That's cool. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.160 I'm not worried about what I didn't get. I'm really 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.359 appreciateive on what I'm getting while I'm still alive. 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.560 I want to tell you a story real quick. My 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.840 father made me go to every Puerto Rican Day parade. 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.280 Right and by the way, my father's a foul god. 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:42.720 He made me sell beers too. I was the little kid. Hey, 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:47.600 back then, it was in foul to sell beers. He 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:52.600 told me, damn all right, calm down his what's crazy? 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.960 But Joe always remembers. He's like, you know, the first 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.040 day I met you was at the Puerto Rican Day parade. 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:02.680 If I had l A l A and Fat Joe 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:08.560 seeing me, and no one wanted wanted me on their float. No, 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.680 I was like, who the fuck is this guy? 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:11.080 Right? 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.040 And Fat Joe was like Puerto Rican Right, He's like, 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.480 get your ass up here, and he move me on 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:21.639 the float. And for anybody if you're a Puerto Rican, 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.280 it's a beautiful thing, even if you're not Puerto Rican, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.640 to see that energy of the city. They shut down 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:34.320 Madison what is it? Madison Avenue? Fifth Avenue. Fifth Avenue 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:39.040 is one of the other that's dope. I've been able 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.280 to walk the parade. You walked the parade when Pun 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:41.840 passed away. 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.399 I was working for Echo and Loud Music and they 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.040 asked my team down south to come up there. They 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.000 flew us out and they had us walk the break 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.600 of Fat Joe jah Remy was on the on the 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:53.800 floor and they had us. 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.200 Our team was passing out these pun. 0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:59.760 Towels, but they were playing one hundred percent for the 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:04.080 first time for everybody. And the chill that Super Puerto 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.520 Rican the chills when that was playing. He had just 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.639 passed away. It was it was crazy, man, but it 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:09.800 was the praise was dope. 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.040 I love I love so I'm so honored that you 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:16.119 being honored, because that's me being honored. I'm sharing it 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:16.359 with you. 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.320 I'm just doing I'm so, I am so pro Puerto Rican, 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.400 I am so I'm gonna show you something real quick. 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:29.480 I'm so free, I'm so proud. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.280 I'm so proud that everywhere I've played on the entire planet, 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.520 I've taken these with me. Now, this was a gift 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.200 given to me by my boy, DJ non Stop, who 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.920 was the DJ for K seven and the Swing Kids, 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.360 and then he was a DJ for d m X. 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.280 He was DMX. He gave I went to Chicago to 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.960 DJ for the rock Steady Crew and he gave me. 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:48.800 These as a gift. 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.200 Wow, he gave me these as a gift right here, 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.360 and I take them everywhere on the planet. I rock. 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.040 Everywhere on the planet that I rocked. 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.160 These babies playing with me because I'm proud of my heritage, 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.760 I'm proud of well being Puerto Rican and I show 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:05.720 this to everybody. 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.800 I don't problem with that, you know. 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.720 So let me ask you. My my two closest Latino 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:19.400 friends as e Fan and fad Joe, right, and they did. 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.760 They didn't like when I started reggae, though. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:29.200 I saw that the documentary reasons, they had any reasons, 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:34.240 but me personally, I discovered reggae throw in Puerto Rico. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.239 I went to Puerto Rico and I was like, what 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.800 the fuck is this ship? I thought it was I 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.600 called it Latin reggae. So then I went to club Roombos. 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.560 Room Boxs used to be Club Fever. I remember that 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:50.600 Club Fever. Let's just every jon I don't know Io promoted. 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.920 You probably don't know what I mean, so I would 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.840 go there. But let me ask you because you're the original, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.200 You're a part of the original hip hop, right, Like, 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.400 were you offended when you first heard reggaeton or was 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:05.160 this something like? 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:05.400 No? 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:06.160 How did you feel? 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:06.280 Like? 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:06.560 No? 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:07.560 I want to ask you. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.440 I'm a lover of music, to be honest with you. 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.880 At first I thought it was reggae because it had 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:13.400 that vibe. 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.360 I felt it was latinos trying to impersonate a patois 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:18.560 in Spanish and. 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.160 I did it right. He did it right. 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:22.680 But when. 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.560 I went to Puerto Rico early on too, and I 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.600 heard it over there, and I was like, I don't 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.440 know about this, guys, you know, say like, because we 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.040 were here trying to make sure we maintained our respect 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.600 as latinos and hip hop lyricism and all this stuff, 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.560 and then I'm hearing this and I'm like, I don't 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.280 know how this is going to play over here. It 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.160 sounds like Latino's trying to do this, you know, patoa 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.640 and faking it. But then here later on though, after 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.800 he did what he did, which revolutionized everything, and just 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.440 moving forward. Now the evolution of reggaeton has gotten the 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.680 genre has just they've really gotten creative and I have 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:00.040 a total different respect for it. 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.880 But back then I wasn't respecting. 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:03.640 So what was your first I want to know you. 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.720 At first, I thought it was reggae thron right, That's 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.520 what I mean. I'm sorry, reggae music, right, And it 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.280 was cool, and I'm like, and being there I had 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.920 already heard it, was like, okay, it's cool, and it wasn't. 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:17.959 It did strike me as anything new, but I started 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.520 noticing that it started sounding a little bit more, it 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.440 started creating a more cohesive sound of its own, right, 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.240 And I'm like, okay, I'm starting I'm starting to notice it. 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.680 It didn't bother me. I kind of enjoyed it at first. 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.600 What really bothered me more anybody. 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.480 It was more like the style, the way they were 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:35.480 just like, yo, get. 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:39.880 Out of the eighties, you like, you know, the same 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:40.880 what is it? Well? 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:41.360 The beats? 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.080 Yeah, to me, always sounded like a jack the murdercing beast, 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.920 same beast, right, But I remember. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.640 I got it when it came out. Also was much faster. 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.840 It was a much faster temple, so it was very 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:51.640 dazable and stuff. And I enjoyed it. 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.760 I really didn't. I wasn't hating on it or anything, 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:54.080 you know. 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.040 And then of course later on, you know, when they 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.440 get thrown did like normal Puerto Ricans do when people 0:31:58.760 --> 0:31:59.480 criticize them. 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.320 Fuck, we're doing what we doing, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.040 But when I saw what you did, and when I 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.040 saw the documentary you were telling me what happened, I 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.280 was like, whoa, that's crazy. And I didn't know that 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:10.920 you were the I mean, I remember the record I 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.440 remember the saw when you brought it wood equalmo in right, 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.160 But when I saw the documentary, I didn't realize. 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.920 That that was the soul, that was the game change, 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:19.400 that was. 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.520 The one that I put my own car on the line. People. 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.200 You did because yo, we could be we could be critical. 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.120 Of ourselves over here. 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.920 Let me tell you something. I received so much slack 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.360 from the black community. I mean, I'm black and lat 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.040 you know, so I'm gonna say it straight up. Black 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:41.320 people were looking like, well stay Porto Rican and I 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.600 was like, I've been port rinking my whole life, Like 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.000 why would you? Why got state Puerto Rican? Now they're like, 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.200 stick with racing peas. Yeah, I'm like Jesus, I like, 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.040 I like jerk chicken too to do it on the 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.680 cone whissel, you know what I mean. 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.560 But let me ask you a question, right, okay, because 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.360 let's go growing up. Like like I had said earlier, 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.200 there were blacks. There were people got my black friends 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.840 right who were Hispanic and then never told me did 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.080 you ever feel that you needed like no moments And 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.040 I'm not judging or anything, but did you ever feel 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.200 like at some point like sometimes you couldn't say yeah, 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.960 I'm Hispanic because you were afraid that if you expose yourself, 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:19.040 they were going to look at you differently. 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.920 My father was the Puerto Rican with the tail, fifteen 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.160 thousand tattoos, earrings, he wore new ports under his shit. 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.920 He played handball all day like he was the super 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.959 super Puerto Rican, right Like he was like, if you 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.640 looked up Puerto Rican, my father's dead like this, right, 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:42.640 you know what I mean? So I he installed to 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.760 be the proudest Puerto Rican ever. And then my mother 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:48.960 was like kind of like the opposite of She was 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.800 like afrocentric. So it was just like, all right, cool, 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.320 I couldn't I couldn't choose. Like I called myself. It's 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.600 a wrong word now to say it, but I called 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.920 myself Nigga Egan my whole life, I'm Ningo Rekan. They're like, 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.840 what's your race? Ningoregan, Like like you're not supposed to 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:11.440 say that, right, But I've always been been that. And 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:18.920 then I met uh, my brother, my brother's mother, my 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.520 brother Cookie not Mario, my brother, my older brother who 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.200 I didn't know in my childhood, and she was more 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:32.840 Afrocentric than any black person in the world. She proved 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:38.160 to me that she was affle Latina, that's what you 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:44.200 call it. Yeah, but she proved to me that Puerto 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.919 Ricans are black and black people are it's the same. 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.840 Latino culture for the most part, is African culture, like 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:53.600 the food, the music. 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:53.880 And shortly. 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:54.759 I never deny that. 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.840 When you ever see people that get in an argument 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:58.840 like so as, I would get into and argument with 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.040 my black friends either like you're black and I'm like, 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:06.400 you're fucking right with you. I know about roots, you know, 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.080 I know my roots. What the fuck I mean? 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:09.640 I'm looking, but I understand. 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:11.080 Yeah. 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.000 Yeah, But by the way, how dope is hip hop? 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:21.439 Because you know hip hop? Hip hop is smart. Yeah, 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.040 if you listened, I know some dumb motherfuckers out there. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.520 We ain't talking about the dumb motherfuckers. We're talking about 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:35.840 the smart motherfuckers. But yes, I liked what you said earlier. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.040 You was like, Yo, I'm a proud Puerto Weecan. And 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.480 one thing that I knew about being proud to be 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.799 something that doesn't mean you anti anything else. You could 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:51.600 be pro Porto Weecan without being anti anything. Absolutely, I 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.600 am pro black, but I'm not anti white, right, I'm 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.120 pro perto weecan, but I'm not anti Cuban. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:00.080 Well sometimes you talk. 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:07.319 You're talking about but so what I'm trying to say 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:13.000 is so many people be offended sometimes. But again, let's 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.320 let's just have a quick time with slive. 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:14.960 Let's do it. 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.080 Let's go do Before we go on this point, we 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.040 always have to ask ourselves who benefits off the division? 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.760 Because this is the thing that I always think about. 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.799 Early hip hop was was a mix. You know, it 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.200 was it was everybody was there if you were living 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:33.880 under those conditions that hip white people. I mean, you 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:34.799 could tell me you can come. 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:40.160 Literally, Italy was just three literally, that's this, It's just 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:40.920 three blocks away. 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:45.719 So fast forward, hip hop becomes this humongous commodity, this 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.040 this money making machine. Then it's picked up by the 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.480 music industry, which discards what doesn't make money musically, the 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.839 other stuff in hip hop, the important stuff in hip hop, 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.799 and starts to make money off of it. Then all 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.160 this division, like who profits off of the division? And 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:01.840 to say you're not a part of it, You're not 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:03.439 a part of it. You didn't do this, you didn't 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.040 do that, And that's what we should all think about 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:05.719 at the end of the day. 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.719 Because it's like what you were saying when I was 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.919 watching in the interviews, you was going through the same 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.399 thing that I was going through. You there's people coming 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:14.960 up to you saying, why are you playing this this 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.279 jungle music? They call it jungle bunny, jingle bunny music, 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:23.160 jungle money music. So I imagine you dealt with this 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:24.960 way more than me and EFN. 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.160 Yeah, and you deal with nobody understood it was. 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:30.359 It wasn't what it is now that it was just 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.960 something the only that the young community knew about and understood. 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.920 But imagine how dangerous the older generation wasn't accepting of it. 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.399 But now you have this young generation that's uniting under 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.120 this culture. How powerful is that become? And how scary 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.719 to whatever powers that be. Not to get into conspiracy, 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.560 but I'm just saying, like you divide and conquer, you 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.480 can you can monetize it. You can divide these people 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.120 and say you're not a part of it. The DJ 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:56.960 is no longer important, the B boy and the B 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.200 girls are no longer important. Your Fitty's not a part 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.440 of this. Only the rappers and you know all that 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.319 different stuff. You know, this is a long thing. We 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.080 can get into but it's something to think about. 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.120 But that's not where the real danger comes to the division. 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:08.160 And you don't have to worry. 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:13.080 About outside the outside sources. It's the internal division that's 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.200 where the problem is. That's the danger stuff here. And 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:21.160 I always say, why, first of all, rich, rich, real 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.919 wealthy white millionaires. They ain't fighting and they ain't mad. 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.160 So why do we have angry Puerto Rican and black millionaires? 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.000 Why are you all angry billionaires? 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.759 But you got to be bad about right. 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.279 And the other thing is that you know, if if 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.080 you really want to make the change, why don't we 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.000 talk about the real issues here instead of fighting each 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.040 other and trying to create division within us. 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.399 And I don't really engage in device of conversations. I'm 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:44.920 not giving you. 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.399 A platform for you to to to try to create 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.759 more division. I mean, we got more import these like 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.960 for example, why didn't we coin the phrase hip hop? 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.040 Why is why are other people trying to register the 0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.600 name and that we coin? Why didn't Why didn't we 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:00.960 do that? 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.880 Why is it that we don't have more Latino and 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.920 black owned businesses within the industry. Let's talk about that, 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.799 you know what I'm saying? Why is it that we 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.920 don't own hip hop. Everybody else is trying to own 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:12.920 hip hop. I'll give you an example. Look at all 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:14.480 these shows that are coming up. They have the titles 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.520 hip hop in it. They're only they only have the 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:18.880 title hip hop in it because they know that that's. 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.200 What's going to exactly. That word is powerful. 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.880 Right, how many how many mcs did you see on shows? 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.160 Right now? When you see this show, it's nothing but 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.680 hip it ain't it is not really hip hop when 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:35.080 you take away the turntables from the stage. Right, those 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:36.960 are the real issues that we should be focusing on. 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:38.720 These are the things that we need to come together 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:44.560 with to help create more well wealth and more businesses 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:45.000 for people. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:45.640 We own that. 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.239 That's our We've sacrificed a lot for that. So why 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.160 are we fighting against each other. I'm not with that, man, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.120 and don't. I don't give it a platform. I don't 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.160 give it any credence. I don't I stay away from 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:57.719 all of that. Man. You know how many times they 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.200 try to Obviously people make it negative comments on I don't 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.400 even respond. I'm like, you don't even exist, But just 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:05.120 you know, move move on. 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.000 I want one of Charlie Chase shirts. 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.040 I'm glad you said, can you give me the bad? 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:10.680 Yes, I. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.879 Got you, I got you that she looks so good 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.560 and you got the Puerto Rican thing on to turn 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:25.120 to my slip map. I'm sorry if and if he 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:26.239 only has the one, I'm taking it. 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:27.200 No, no, no, no. 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:33.960 Actually actually texting, I was like, okay, okay. 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.560 So we're gonna play a game on our show. It's 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.680 called Quick Time with Slo Guys. Can you can you 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.759 explain this rules? Like how poor explaining? You never explained it. 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.120 We're gonna give you two choices. This is our drinking game, 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:48.520 by the way. 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.440 Okay, I've seen it. You're notorious with this. 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.560 So you you know you get two choices. You pick 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.040 one you don't drink, We don't drink. I'm give you 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.520 the second prob one you don't. If you say both, 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.640 you say you don't want to choose like you say both. 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:12.720 Flash this Scram Joe's Up Dirt interview. 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:13.759 He was better than. 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:16.520 Wait so month. 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:21.399 By the way, Scram was a joy too. Was gonna 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.200 throw but at the beginning he loved he loved it. Okay, 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.719 so we're gonna start. Okay, all right, you got the 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.120 first one by the way. I just want you to 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.560 know me and E f N do not make these questions. 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.600 The Columbia, we got the United Nations. We have every 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:42.360 race here, so you know, but this is a fucking 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.799 great question. I don't know which one of them came 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:56.480 up with this one. Cool Heirk oh Graandmaster Flash. 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.239 And I'm gonna tell you why. 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.600 Okay, please cool herk okay. 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.840 He saved my life one day, physically physically saved. 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:00.239 We need to hear it, all right. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:04.760 We were having the thirty ninth, thirty eight, thirty ninth. 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.080 Anniversary of the Cold Crush Brothers. 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:06.359 Wow. 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.000 We had a downtown on Canal Street. The opening app 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.160 was the Roots and they weren't even known yet. There 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.200 weren't no Roots, said the Roots. They were the opening app. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.640 We didn't know them. I get there now. Throughout the 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.040 day I was not feeling well. I was in in 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:20.799 these pains. 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.240 So I get there. I'm on the Sage was setting 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:24.920 up the equipment. 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.399 I'm feeling worse now by this time it's evening, I'm 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.120 feeling worse. I saw Questlove behind me setting up. You know, 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.200 we introduced ourselves and everything, and I got I got 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.759 really sick and I went to the back of the 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.760 green room. Right and back there was DST Cool Herk. 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:40.719 There were a lot of I mean for our anniversary, 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.040 A lot of people showed up, so they were The 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.880 room was filled with a lot of celebrities and stuff. 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.120 Right at this point, I'm on the sofa, bent over 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.760 and pain. I'm in pain and pain. Wow, and and 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.960 DST says what's wrong with him? And somebody say, I 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.600 don't know, man, he's in pain right now. And and 0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.840 and tone was like, yo, you think you're gonna be 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.400 able to go on? I said, I want you, but 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.279 I can't. I'm listening too much pain. And he says, yo, 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:05.160 we need to rush him. 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:05.640 To the hospital. 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:12.320 Herk threw me in his car, drove me lightning speed 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:13.799 all the way up to the Bronx. 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:13.960 To mart. 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:16.560 Because I said, I didn't want to go to this 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.760 hospital in Manhattan. I want to be by my house, okay, 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.280 So he drove me all the way to Martha Field. 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.520 He dropped me off for the emergency room. I get there, 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.040 I'm bent the room pain. The doctor comes over and 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:32.520 examines me. Thirty seconds later, we got to take him 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:37.960 to the emergency room. It's his appendix and it might rupture. 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.760 They had to run me in After that, the doctor 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.960 told me, you're look at you. He says, maybe another 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.319 hour so you wouldn't be talking to me. 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.200 So Herk respect to her, fut, that's my brother, man. 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:49.360 He saved my life. 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.839 Everybody else was your concerned, no doubt, but Herk was like, fuck. 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:56.759 He threw me in a car and he took me 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:57.360 all the way up to. 0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.759 The hospital to be asking you something because we had 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:05.080 Legs up here. And this is the first time I ever, 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:10.200 ever ever heard anybody say this. Crazy Legs was kind 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.160 of like, Hirk wasn't the first person to play hip hop? 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.200 Well, I don't know if he said to play hip hop, but. 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.680 He kind of like he says that he says that 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.919 party wasn't necessarily the date, which he kind of said 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.359 in the beginning, wasn't the date that started hip hop 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:27.439 necessarily right? 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:32.800 And I thought I was going to receive three thousand, 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:39.440 five hundred four million calls what the fuck? And I 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.640 want to be honest, Charley Chase, I didn't get that 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:47.320 one phone call right. Not one person said Crazy Legs 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.000 is lying. 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.799 Right, Yeah, nobody did you. 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.160 This is our first time we've been talking about, right. 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.040 I thought it was gonna we were gonna get I. 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.600 Thought I was going to be whose he was gone, 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:02.759 and I think, to be exactly said the party is 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.280 terms of the day, and that there was other DJs 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.520 around that before he was saying what he was doing already. 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:10.399 That's what he kind of more or less said. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.279 I definitely need your opinion on that. 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.000 Well, Okay, it all depends. 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.360 I guess everybody understood the context that Crazy Legs was 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.080 putting it in, right, Okay, I can get that. I 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.080 can kind of see where he's coming from for that, 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:27.279 because there are questions not taking anyway and anything away 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.040 from her because he did what he did when he started, 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.880 and that's the point that everybody knows that. Everybody. 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.839 It's like it's like a record comes out. 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.000 Everybody knows the popular version, but nobody really heard the 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:44.400 joint underground version. Right. So I wasn't there. I don't know, 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.279 but I know people that were there. If I wish 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.160 my business partner was here because he knows he can 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:53.000 speak to this. When the gangs were fighting and Bambarda 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.480 was the one who younfied the gangs, right, he was 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.440 playing music for them at the time he was, he 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.600 was ready in detaining them doing this and this is 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:07.359 pre pre uh uh cool Herk, right, So I don't know, 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.160 but I think that's what maybe Crazy Legs might be 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:10.920 referring to. 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.799 And I've heard these things. So it's really hard. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.440 That's why I said earlier, it's really hard to put 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.680 a start date on anything because the culture was always there. 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.400 So wait, so I respect based on what you're saying. 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.640 So would it be that someone could could say Van 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.520 Boda would have been that figure that we're giving to 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:27.120 cool Herk. 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.839 It could have been. It could have been, but you'd 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.280 have to I guess Crazy Legs would have to elaborate 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.560 more on that. I can't. I can't really speak on 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.240 it because I only hear things and I can't without 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.960 more information. I can't make an educational decision on that, 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.040 you know what I mean. But it isn't It's an 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.759 interesting point, you know, And and again, I mean, the 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:51.560 culture was already bubbling up before before Herk was. People 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.200 were already dressing the way they were dressing and doing 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.319 what they weren You can't take nothing away from Herk 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.040 Herku is Herky did what he did, you know, everybody. 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.400 He had to hear the HERCULEOICD sound system. Bigger than Life. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.920 They called him Hurt because he was bigger than life. 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.640 But you know, when I met her, he was a 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.040 big dude. I mean, you know, you can't take anything 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.640 away from Hurt, but you can't take anything from bad 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:12.160 Body either. 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:18.520 The last time you smoke a Blunt's I wanted to see. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.880 I wanted to see if you before four Years did you. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:23.719 I don't know if you were in the movie, or 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.759 have you watched rerubble Kings. I think I might have. 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:28.440 I'm not sure it sounds familiar. 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:30.000 Okay, No, I just I wanted to know if you did, 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.239 because I actually I didn't. 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:32.640 I'm gonna go back and watch because I. 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.799 Tell people people ask me, you know, they want to 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.320 know more about the history of hip hop, and I 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.320 feel like that dog because it predates, it goes before 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.080 hip hop. It's like talking about the Bronx and New 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.400 York in that era in the in the late sixties, 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.880 and it goes slowly into hip hop. I wanted to 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.040 see if you thought that was a good film, to 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:51.400 kind of like explain. 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:53.120 I didn't even see that. 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:59.120 It's a great movie. Rebel, Rubble rubble Kings, the Rumble Kings. 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.880 Yes, yes, I was it Rumble or rubbles Rubble Is 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.839 it Rubble rubble Kings, Rubble Kings. I saw it, and 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.640 I don't remember a lot of it, man, because it 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:09.160 was a while. 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.560 Because I talked about that that that funk band, I 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.399 think the. 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:17.120 Gangs and and yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Okay. 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:18.840 Well, I mean, if you get a chance to watch it, 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:20.200 hit me on the side and tell me. 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.719 Yeah, it seems pretty I'm gonna watch it. So let 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.680 me ask you how much cocaine was involved back then? 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:27.360 I did it. 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:33.080 He's like cocaine or what I probably did enough cocaine 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.400 to kill. Tell elephants, you guys are hell coke. 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:48.000 And diego cocaine. Right, you have to talk about cocaine 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:53.680 looking you know, like yo, they cocaine. Everyone who may 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.080 cocaine back then looks great. 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:59.600 Now he got collagen and. 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:02.600 Cocaine. 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.160 Cocaine experience started. 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:09.560 And he hates when I say this, DJ Breakout, DJ 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.600 Breakout from the four. He was the one that gave 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:14.680 me my first hit of cocaine at the Ecstasy Ga 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.000 Garage in the Bronx. 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:22.719 The Exstasy Garage yeah. 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.439 It was it was me we we we we were 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:26.800 playing at the excess CI garage. 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.080 Did you have ecstasy to No? 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:31.400 I never with that anyway. 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.600 But so I go to the bathroom, right, and Tony 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:36.479 to follows me because we gotta go and break. 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.400 I was in there and he was taking to hit 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:39.000 a cocaine and. 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:41.799 I was curious because I had already people seen I've 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.319 seen them taking cocaine, and I was like, what does 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:44.600 that do? 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.239 Because it was you heard white lines? 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:52.000 This time was white Line started. 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.319 This is the time of when Curtis Look came out 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:55.160 with crystals wrap. 0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.040 So I was I'm like, how does it feeling? And 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:00.960 he's like, you never took it? 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.680 I said no, He says here, So I took a 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:07.319 here bum right, and not a few ship So I said, 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.400 he says, here, take another one, and I still didn't. 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:11.640 Right, don't take another one. 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:12.800 I go back to DJ. 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:17.000 Yo. 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.240 I was like, what the hell is going on? Tony? 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:20.319 Tone Yo, slow down? 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.279 You know? He says, slow down. 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:24.279 He's like, you're not on beat? 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.960 You know what I mean. I don't know how to 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.480 tell you that break our health hae. But I include 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.000 him in this way. But it's the truth. He was 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.919 the first to give it to me. Now, fast forward, Bro, 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.640 growing up in the business, and people loved me and 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:42.320 they were doing it. 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:49.200 But like, yo, you're the fucking ship, yo. 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:51.520 You know, like here bro lick. 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.160 And I never paid for it for years and years 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:55.359 and years and years. 0:50:55.080 --> 0:51:04.359 Bro to the point where I was doing it like crazy, Yo, I. 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:05.680 Was go yo. 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.480 But at one point it got really serious. 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.360 It was like now it's like now now I'm starting 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:11.839 to buy it because now I'm feeling like I want 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:13.640 to have it. It makes them feel good, and it 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:15.759 got it got a lot of control for me. 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:16.319 Man, it did. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:22.759 But fast forward last September, fifteen years clean me. 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:26.640 You know what, that's an accomplishment for me, Bro on 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:28.360 your own to go through any kind of PODT. 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.839 I had some accountability brothers that they were there and. 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:31.279 Helped me out. 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.000 Man, it wasn't for them, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.800 probably been able to make the journey. But yeah, fifteen 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.719 years now, Clean han't messed with. I still drink, you know. 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.240 But the funny thing with me is that I always 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.400 thought that the cocaine was started to drink because I 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:45.640 used to drink mad Heinekens, and it was the other 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:46.120 way around. 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:47.600 It was the Heinnikans that were making me. 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.400 So now you know, I stopped the blow and now 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:51.920 I just take a drink, a tool, whatever, and I'm 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.920 good man, no more god damn yeah. Yeah, but the 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:57.480 drugs will be instrumental. 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.840 Bro in the eighties, right, and eighties were a blur. 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.080 The eighties are a blur. Bro. 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:05.719 Look in Wilstar, who was it? 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:06.680 That is it? 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:07.080 Busy be? 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.080 That's yes in the movie. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:13.560 I was like when I remember watching, oh oh, he's yeah, 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:15.279 we're happening. I forgot this war. 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.279 When he goes back with the chicks right in the 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:18.479 limo in the room. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.600 Yeah, they're taking cocaine and the high champagne. 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:22.479 They're in the room. 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.480 He's shaping his money into b It was crazy that 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.120 film that we could talk about it. 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.360 We get into the Yeah, okay. 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.040 Hold on, we'll get back to it. Hold on ready, 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:33.439 all right, Yes, you got the next one. 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:37.839 Grandmaster Kaz or Almighty KG. Come on, man, Grandmaster Caz 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:38.480 hands down. 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.320 Brother makes noise to Grandma. 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.919 Besides listen, I'm I'm biased man, that's my brother. 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:47.799 Nobody is ever that's the word I've been trying to 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:48.640 use all that right. 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.480 I'm by that's that's my brother to me. He is 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.319 the best I ever did it. Think about this for 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:57.960 a second. Kazh wrote, you know he's the ghost rider 0:52:58.000 --> 0:52:59.080 on Rapper's Delight. 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.319 He wrote that he was sixteen years old, but he 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.279 was unwillingly the ghost writer, right right. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.880 He wrote that verse all the big banks hecks Hanks 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:09.080 verse I not record when he was sixteen. Come on, 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:13.960 it's right, cas is genius, gas Is I think the 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.080 only MC that I've ever met that can flip the 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.719 script on anything. You need, something, you need, something that's 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:20.800 going to fit a white audience, He'll do it in 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.000 and all you do give him a second a heartbeat, 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.800 I said, okay, jes, let's go any crowd anything. 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:28.040 Cash is the man. 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:33.080 And I'm biased, But because bro right, I've dealt with greatness. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.919 I've worked with me, I heard this about I've worked 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:38.000 with I worked with Mail, I worked with cast Jo. 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:40.520 You know they're all three bad, but cast of me. 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:40.759 Man. 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:41.520 It's that's my point. 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.920 And by the way, Cass still smoke a lot of marijuana. 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.640 Broke we had in right hair. He kept rolling. Yeah, 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:56.719 he's all right, boom okay, cut you got the next one. 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:58.440 The eighties or nineties. 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:02.719 Hip hope because because they had they had the more 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.160 jazzy flow he had, and that by then it was 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.840 established they had that thing, you know, something more the. 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.240 Graph the eighties, when you hear the music, it was we. 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.600 Were still finding our way. We were still trying to 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:16.839 find a way. The record labels didn't even catch on 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:21.080 until eighty three, eighty two. Maybe you know we were 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:22.080 we were signed. 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.560 To CBS Rush or CBS Associated. 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:26.920 Look at that, we're damn near label mates. We started 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:28.759 with CBS Radio for the podcast. 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.480 Right, we were the first hip hop group they signed, 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:32.880 and they didn't know how to marketers, they didn't know 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:34.160 how to owner, they didn't know what they hell to 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:34.640 do with us. 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.319 They're finally with us. 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:39.200 And then finally when they got to handle they showed us. 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:40.959 They said, okay, now that we got a right, let's 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:42.200 bringing us some new blood. 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.760 Yeah, well, real quick, I'm that one saying the nineties, 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:47.680 you don't think the late eighties like if you were 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.319 to be able to change the because I feel like 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.680 the rock Kims and the kras Is in the Big 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:54.879 dadication to me, So late eighties going into the early 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:55.920 nineties to me would be. 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.280 That right, it's sweet spot. When it comes to timelines, 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.640 I'm always fucking this is the over music. 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.160 But to me the time I was always always get blurred. 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.000 But yes, if you if you really look at it 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.880 from like rock Him on up, that's when when really 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.440 things rock Him changed. He says he changed the game 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.400 and from there on, yes, you know, so I always 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:19.880 consider that to me, it was always nineties because it 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:21.319 still had that feel to it to me. 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.160 Next one run DMC or Treachers three. 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:33.160 Treacher's three, And I'll tell you not because of my boys, 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:34.880 not because they thought it well, we put the Churchers 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:38.919 three was a bad motherfucking group, not taking anything away 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:39.600 from from DMC. 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:41.759 Have you you've never seen them perform live? 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:43.320 Turchers? 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:44.480 You know? 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.759 When I first saw the Churches three performed was at 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:51.080 the Ecstasy Garage, right, the house was. 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.560 Passed, definitely, we were definitely. 0:55:55.160 --> 0:56:00.680 No doubt. They came on and they did super rapping right, No, 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.640 I mean not super rapid. Call the Churches three well, 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.759 I forgot the name of the of the song. It 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.680 was on the other side of Spoony G's Love Wrap. 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.799 Now another one something Something and they did that continuous 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.120 back to back machine gun when I'm the super popping 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:13.959 no was rocking nigga. 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:15.799 And they just kept going and going and going and 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:16.600 going and going. 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:20.120 Now stop for almost eight minutes. I had never seen 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.560 a group do that in my freaking life. They they've 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:29.080 The skill that those brothers have is incredible. They was cohesive, 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:31.080 they were together and they were on point. 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:31.319 Man. 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.759 It's like run DMC. No, I ain't they have their 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.040 own m DJ You d m C DJ right? 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.439 Who me? No DMC DJ? 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.160 What do you mean? I thought you was DMC DJ. 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:43.960 I told you who he goes on the road. It 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:47.600 brings you the what d m C right? You don't 0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:51.719 DJ from no? No, holy shit. Steve le Belle told 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.000 us a lot DMC. 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.760 Do you mean DJ DMC? 0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:01.960 No, fucking Steve Bell, you live me. 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.759 They're from my friends, but I never DJ for them. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.400 Okay, okay, okay, damn man. He told me that earlier. 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:10.600 Now. I love run DMC because they give us mad props. 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:12.840 They give us nothing but props in love and d 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:13.120 m C. 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:14.520 When we had him on the show. 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:15.200 I saw that. 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:22.680 Yeah, he made me laugh. Bro hispanic he was he 0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:26.040 was Dominican for how many two minutes, like two years? 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:29.480 Two years he was Dominican. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:31.480 That goes to show you why none of that really 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:35.880 matters at the end of the day. Yes, okay, break 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:40.560 dancing a graffiti. Yes, remember you can say both of 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:41.479 us are drinking games. 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:41.760 You see. 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:42.800 You know I know it is. 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:44.840 You can give me questions that I can answer that, 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:49.560 all right, Okay, Now, I love graffiti, but I was 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.600 never I never had the eye for the art. So 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.680 sometimes I will see graffiti and you got me doing 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.200 this to try to figure out the way he's. 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.320 Written, what it's saying or whatever. 0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:00.520 Although I love the colors, I love the way they 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.680 structure everything, I was never able to really get into 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:04.880 it because I always had a hard time reading the graph. 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.800 So B Boy was more into it because remember Charlie 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:13.080 Chase started as a bee boy DJ. You understand when 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.360 I finally got acclimated with the beads and stuff like that. 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:18.400 Before you were part of Cold Crush, I was plinging 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:19.320 when the team parked the park. 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.160 Across the streets from there were bee boys always showing 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.520 up and representing. So the B Boy man, you know, 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:27.880 that's a strong that's strong love in the heart man 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:28.880 makes way back. 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:30.160 I respect that. 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:35.200 Say the next one Red Alert or kid Capri Okay 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:36.320 two people? 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:39.000 Yeah, I know, but you should not remember you're posing 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.840 this question to somebody who has a I know you are, 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.960 but you're talking to somebody who has an emotional attachment 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.560 to some of these people that you're talking to. Alert. 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.160 I know Redd Alert what he used to have a 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.120 nineteen inch red ass affle like this before he was 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:56.840 really he was a DJ, but he really wasn't known 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:57.120 he was. 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:57.440 Part of part. 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.000 I think it was the cosmic force of cosmic cruise 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.200 something like that. I've known him since. 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.560 Then, you know, and he was always the brother that 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.840 he is today, always loving, always welcoming, always you know. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:09.960 So yeah, that's my brother man. I you know, we 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.880 still talk, We call each other, make sure we're good. 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:18.040 Yeah, it has to be read Alert man Oka, jam 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:19.280 Messa J or Eric B. 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.160 That would have to be jam Master J. Because jam 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:24.720 Master everyby I met him maybe once or twice. 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:25.640 We spoke Coop. 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:27.600 I mean, I never have anything bad to say about 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:29.680 anything because they all showed me so much love and respect. 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.880 Jam Master J. I have a bit of a connection too, because. 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.840 We worked on that album, The Godfather's a Threat that 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:40.320 we were on and Chuck d was the producer. 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:41.480 He brought us on. 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.480 Jam Mester j came to our house because Cas and 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.640 I were living together. We had an apartment downtown. He 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.320 came to the house, he sat down with spoke with us. 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:50.040 Hey said, I got up, Well, we want to do 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.080 this project. We want to come in. I want to 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.520 bring the cold question and stuff. So we went and 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:56.680 we did that project. We became friends. We were tired. 0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:00.200 He told me about the whole thing, the DM the 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.960 run DMC experienced, how we you know, how we inspired 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:05.960 them and all that. So, you know, I kind of 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.120 and then after they passed away, that really kind of 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:11.160 you know, it's maybe morbid to say, but it kind 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.320 of reinforced that with me and him, you know, because 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:14.520 I knew the brother man, you know. 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:26.200 B Street or wild Style, Wild Style. I don't know 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:27.080 that he's gonna drink. 1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:29.440 Come on, man, yeah, he ain't drinking at all. 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:30.600 You know what, just for you nor. 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:35.520 You've got to get something. 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:36.600 I guess that's the major rule. 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:38.919 We don't anything. 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:43.680 We'll have or Big Daddy kne He text me racket Okay. 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.520 I love them both. They those are my brothers. 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.880 Or Kane, but big Daddy Kane, you know, you know, 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.760 it's a joke between myself and Kane. I always call 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.800 him the seventh Cold Crush brother because he tells me 1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:01.160 the story about how he used to escape from his 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.680 house at night to come to see us perform at 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:06.400 Harleward when he was a young teenager. He would come 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:09.560 to see us perform, and he loved us. And one 1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:11.600 time he escaped, he got back home and his father 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.600 was waiting for him beat the livery shit out of him. 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:16.760 And I was like, you're kidding me, Like, nah, man, 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:19.160 this is I love y'all. And he always he always 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:20.160 loved having a surround. 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:21.120 He always likes you know. 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.120 He always he asked me to perform with them one 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.680 time and and and I mean that's Daddy Cane, his 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:26.160 down man. 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:27.520 I mean, that's my brother. Man. I know him for 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:28.600 Soldos for so long. 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.240 Man, you know, you know him before he had the 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:34.560 cuts and the ship. Yeah, I ain't gonna lot. 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:37.560 When he was signed of Cold Chilling, you know, when 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:37.880 he was. 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:43.959 A young ship. Yeah, DJ Clue or funk Flex. 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.640 Flex because I never met Clue. Okay, I worked with why. 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.760 Me and Flex were DJing together at w b l S. 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:53.680 Yeah for about Easier and I. 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:57.320 Love Clue that's my brother. But DJ mister Flex is 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:01.440 the greatest radio DJ of all time. I got it. 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:02.600 He reminds you of that too. 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.680 I dropping the record. I don't need him to fit. 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:08.600 I'm not. That's not what I'm doing this for. I'm 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:11.440 doing this because this is the real that like I 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:15.000 sincerely enjoy listening to the funk Master Flex on the radio. 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:16.640 I sincerely enjoyed it. 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:18.920 Shout out to the shout out Tolue in Flex Man 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:21.040 and cluse my brother that's on the mixtape. 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:25.920 Tip from the mixtape bor Revolution, the legendary. Come on, 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.000 we know that he may he helped. He helped me 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.240 my career, that clue. Thank you to w b l 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.160 S or kiss FM b LS. 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:36.600 Because I worked at BLS, got to meet I got 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:37.720 to meet Frankie Crocker. 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:39.600 Freaking wow, Frankie Crocker. 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.400 As a matter of fact, when I started DJing at 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:43.280 w b LS, Gonna make You. 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:46.520 Sweat Everybody Dance Now came out. 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:50.240 I had the first copy. I played it on the air, 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:54.800 nobody heard it and the freaking red phone went off. 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:58.160 Frankie Crocker put me on the Lady b was on 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.160 the air, she was the air personality inside for She said, Yo, 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:02.080 Frankie wants to talk to you. 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:03.920 He says, Yo, what is that record? 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:05.640 Who is that record? I told him this is and 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.200 he said, Yo, we got to add this. So you know, 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.280 I got it that I feels, you know, I met Frankie. 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:15.880 Frankie Crocker is a legends, a total black experience in sound. 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:16.960 That's what I worked with. 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:20.960 Man, all right, DJ Premiere, Pete Rock. 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:24.320 Take a shot. 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:29.760 I'm going to have to win that one. I don't 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:30.520 have a shot. 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:45.000 Cheers, cheers, Premiere, Mamajuana. I met Premiere through Guru a 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:48.640 friends peace, great dud. We were not a friends and we 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:50.960 we we we we we were cool and we will 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:51.439 hang out. 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.360 I brought him to a couple of Cold Crush recording sessions. 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:54.680 Wow. 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:58.720 Wow, he came and hung out with us. That's how 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:01.720 I met Premiere Premiere. I met him like listen, man, 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.240 the thing about me and hip hop and the co 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:08.440 christ to include you, gotta include them. I have been 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.760 to countries where I have never been to in my life. 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:12.400 And as soon as I get off the plane. I 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:16.440 have friends, right, you know what I'm saying, and I 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:19.800 and and that has always been with the hip hop community. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:22.360 Like all these guys, they they always tell it. Man, 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:24.880 if it wasn't for you guys, you guys are inspired us. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.880 I get that from everybody. You throwing aim at me, 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:29.960 and they've probably said that to me. Promia was that, 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:36.400 you know what I'm saying. But now Pee Rock right, 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:39.000 that's my mayor. So Pee Rock and I have been 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.439 friends for many, many, many many years and never met 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:44.680 until last summer. Forgot over a decade here and I've 1:04:44.680 --> 1:04:49.680 been friends talking on the phone, texting, social media, and 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:51.800 we never met until last year when we did that 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:54.800 thing for Flash. That's what we actually finally shook hands, 1:04:54.800 --> 1:04:56.919 embraced talk, kind of chapped it up for a minute 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:58.880 and went that with that, What. 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:00.960 Did you think about the jay Z line, I'm over 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:03.920 charging people for what they did to the Cold Crush. 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:05.880 Only he undercharged the Cold Crush. 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:06.800 You know what I'm saying. 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:08.560 Why didn't we get a check? 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:11.040 Why don't we work? He said, I didn't. 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:11.400 Want any money. 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:12.680 I want to work. 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:15.600 Let me do something for you, man. It was it 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:16.160 is what it is. 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:17.600 I'm not going to get mad, but I was. I 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:20.440 was happy for I would but that line is so hard, 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:23.200 But I was happy we were mentioned by somebody like 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:27.040 you know what I'm saying because I'm not mad. 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:30.560 Because when we cast, I felt like cast didn't he 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.240 was cool with it, but he didn't really love love it. 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.640 But then when I we visited that episode and I 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:41.240 watched it, I was like, you know what, I think 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:43.280 he was big and y'all up. We were saying this 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:44.480 if he. 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:46.040 Was, I think it was a big Yeah, it was, 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:48.760 and he was using you guys as an example as 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:51.960 an example that it was was underpaid at a certain time. 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.840 He was definitely labors. We're taking advantage. 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:56.760 And he's not gonna he's gonna overcharge for what they 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:58.880 did to hip hop back then, meaning using. 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:00.160 And I took it just like that. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.200 Although a lot of people try to twist it and says, oh, 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:04.840 he he needed to use a pioneering name to do this, 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:05.880 I didn't. 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:07.600 I didn't see it. 1:06:07.680 --> 1:06:10.280 And the other positive side effect is that by mentioning 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.240 Cold Crush directly, any young kid that's never heard the 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:15.440 Cold Crushing is listening to the song, is going to 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:18.600 now go in and do their googles and learn about 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:20.400 Cold Crush and learn about hip hop history. 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.320 Right, it was only a plus for us. It was 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:23.080 only because you. 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.680 Know, we never had hit records. You can't remember a 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.440 record that was ever because we did it. But our 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:32.640 show was so impressive, so off the top or over 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:36.160 the top and crazy that it was memorable. Man, people 1:06:36.560 --> 1:06:38.880 looked at us, and we want to do that. 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:44.360 You know your TV raps or video music box, video 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:45.920 music gonna say that. 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:47.280 Of course I need to yo, that's all. 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:55.600 Whatever you have, absolutely, of course, man, Uncle Ralph cars 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:58.800 one on rock Him take a shot. So don't lead 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:01.280 the witness. I can't lead the witness. I'm sorry, excuse me. 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:04.880 Cales want to rock Him? 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:07.800 I love I love rock Him. I love them both. 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:10.160 So that's a hard one. Yeah, but I love them. 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:12.560 But you from the Bronx, are you gonna. 1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:13.240 No no, no, no no. 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.280 That's a hormor for me because I love rock Him style. 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:19.720 I met him, we we immediately clipped. 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:23.400 We were friends, you know, And I like I like 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:27.640 the teacher because he come on, he he'll say things that. 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:32.120 You never thought about. Is crazy. The way the clarity 1:07:32.160 --> 1:07:33.960 he brings, the things that you've always never. 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.960 Thought about is incredible. So it's hard man, So you 1:07:37.000 --> 1:07:37.720 know I got good? 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:44.600 Yeah, okay, by the way I need Jamie got I 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:49.560 spilled the one by mistake's point. But let me just 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:52.840 tell you, hold on, wait, let me tell you how 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:57.400 good care rest one? Is? He hurt my childhood? 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:00.880 What the. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:10.280 Bridges? And he's still my favorite rapper? How is this 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:16.240 even he spilled the shot? Okay, so how does that 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:20.639 even work? Like he hurt my he hurt me because 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.080 you couldn't deny how great the music critic, how great 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:23.479 he was? 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:27.320 The k r Rist is such a powerful performer. We 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:34.599 did sello. We did the show called Old School throw 1:08:34.600 --> 1:08:38.439 Down three okay, where the promoter was Tyron Williams from 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:42.240 Coaching and Records. Wow right okay, And they were pitting 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:46.800 old groups that battled in the day and knew it 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.559 groups and created battles and it was the Old School Throwdown. 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:53.320 Don't tell me Shannon and Krris one right, that was 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:55.360 part of the battle. Shann got new TeV out here. 1:08:57.240 --> 1:09:01.960 Ye had to go check out Shan talking about the 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:03.759 Drake Kendrick. 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:08.559 Yeah, Shannon is talking about Drake. He kills on the 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:10.880 social media swinter grab and he. 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:12.800 Going into it like, I mean, this is the when 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:14.720 it was all going down. He threw it and I 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:16.160 was like, yes, shit, I want to watch it. And 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:17.160 I'm rested. 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:18.160 Ship. 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:21.439 I forgot because I stopped following everybody at one point, 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:25.559 so I forgot. I gotta refollows. I have to refollow him. 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:28.080 Yeah. So when we did that concert the Old School 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:31.120 door on three, they had us battling the Furious and 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:33.320 then the Fields far was battling another group. Is so 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:38.679 Shan with KRS one and so forth right, So Kris 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:42.080 one was the closer, right, everybody did their shows. The 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:44.479 place it was at Madison Square Garden in the in 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:46.320 the in the paramount. It was called the Panamm three 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:47.519 at the time. I don't know what it is now, 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:48.959 but the six thousand seater. 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:50.720 Got it, the smaller version of the right. 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:55.760 Yes capacity, yes, yes, Shan did his thing. And when 1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:59.639 they announced KRS one and he stepped on that only 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:04.000 did with he's such a show. I thought matisonsquir Garden 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:06.080 was going to come down like in an earthquake. 1:10:06.240 --> 1:10:12.920 The people went banana the shape the present and then 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:16.120 he'll speak my will be boy on stays away. 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:21.160 He didn't even say a word, and he just completely 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:24.040 almost shut the whole thing down. Man, that's the power. 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:26.080 Chares one, no, Kris one. 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:28.720 We need him back. We need him back for sure. 1:10:28.840 --> 1:10:30.320 N w a Wu Tang clan. 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:37.639 Okay, you need to stop, man, I need to stop. 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:43.680 He's not leading me this. Man, he's not leading me 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:45.799 because already you know you're. 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.920 Asking me questions that I can ask. It would have 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:51.200 to be it would have to be w Tang. And 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:52.720 I'll tell you why I love this. 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:55.719 I know. I met the Wu Tang before they. 1:10:55.600 --> 1:11:00.479 Started making records through uh gizz Gizzo used to be 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:01.360 the Genius. 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:02.280 When he was signed to. 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:07.559 Right Tarron Williams had asked me to edit. I used 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:08.640 to do a lot of editing because I used to 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:11.160 work for Sleeping Back Records and they're editing because I 1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:13.719 was the manager doing the editing for them up there. 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:16.519 So Tarro knew this and he had asked me to 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:21.439 edit a record. Call do me by the Genius. So 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.759 I edited the record. I met Genius. He was matt cool. 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:27.479 You know, he thanked me for working on his rekingd 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:31.559 and stuff like that. So there was yeah, absolutely, so 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:34.639 we were at this place where they used to dupe records, 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:36.680 I mean dupe cassettes all the time. 1:11:36.720 --> 1:11:38.360 Square there was this building I forgot what it was. 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.160 It was around the corner from where Sleeping Bag and 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:43.160 Cole Chilling used to be across the street, right there 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:45.880 around the corner. And I was picking up some tape 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:47.840 by Tendis because we had some eight ten cold course 1:11:47.840 --> 1:11:50.559 we had a show that night, and Wu Tang the 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:53.040 whole clique was coming out the building. They were young, 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:55.559 they were together, the whole all of them were there. 1:11:57.040 --> 1:12:03.720 No you know, and to you, they said, what's up? 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:03.960 Man? 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:06.040 We met and he said, yo, yo, fellers coming, you 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:08.160 got to meet this guy. This is Charlie Chase, Mighty 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:10.479 Cold Christ Brothers. So and so they were like, yoh deal. 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:12.559 So it's gotta be Wu Tang Man. 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.360 You know what if I met you then then yet 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:16.000 right right. 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:18.599 And absolutely both of the such great. 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.960 Absolutely the next one. 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:25.160 Biggie or Big L. Want to never met Big L. 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:28.160 Rest in peace to both met Biggie. But this is 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:29.000 an interesting story. 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:33.080 I met Biggie at the rock Steady Anniversary party when 1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:35.599 they used to have it downtown in Manhattan. Really back 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:39.639 in the nineties. Biggie wasn't known, Biggie didn't have a deal. 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:44.120 You know. It was Biggie Small KG from my group 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:47.400 was Pigge always had the thing of meeting everybody. 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:48.200 He was that guy. 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.120 He had a big personal They love the plus he 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:51.440 was the host at the Underground. 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:57.439 I was at the Underground all Latin Quarter. That's six 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:00.760 Street fifty fifty. 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:04.000 Right, So he had Biggie with him. We were there. 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:04.639 I was DJing. 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:08.599 I was DJing for the uh Rock Ctatey anniversary. Can 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:11.000 you hear what's key? I want to introduce you. Here's 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.439 a new up and coming artist. He's got a deal 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:15.800 or he's looking for a deal or something. His name 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.160 is Biggie Small's. I meant he was a young kid, 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:20.400 young kid, yo, what's up? You know yo? 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:20.760 Man? 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.240 Respect and the whole ship. That was the only time 1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:24.760 I have got to me. 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:26.519 He was cool. 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:27.400 He was man cool. 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:29.840 He was cool. You know, I mean, everybody has to 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:30.360 be cool to you. 1:13:30.880 --> 1:13:32.160 Everybody was cool to us. 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:34.080 You know, they don't have to be. But there were 1:13:34.439 --> 1:13:37.040 going to ask this question, was there ever anybody that 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:40.040 you met that wasn't cool to you? Because by the way, 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:41.960 we're gonna let's store him under the bus. 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:46.880 Now, it was nobody that wasn't cool with us. Now, 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:48.760 if you're gonna, if you're gonna go back to the 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:51.080 early days, everybody, we were all cool. 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:54.160 But it was competitive. So it was it was competitive. 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:56.439 So you say mey Mail wasn't cool? Bully Mail? 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:57.000 Who was my man? 1:13:57.080 --> 1:13:57.840 I was the DJ. 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:00.720 I was in DJ for him a year. You know 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:01.320 what I'm saying. 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:03.400 So, yeah, yeah, you didn't. 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:05.320 Okay, I posted something you look, you gotta go on 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:07.400 my page and look it out. So here's the story 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:08.280 behind that. 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:12.920 Let's go seventy eight, seventy nine, Black Door have broken up? 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.120 Flash and the MC the Furious four. 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:17.519 Right broke up? 1:14:17.720 --> 1:14:17.880 Right? 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:18.960 Which Flash talks about it. 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:20.719 When it broke up, they. 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:23.360 Didn't they didn't want to go back. I used to 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:25.040 live in an apartment on the first floor one hundred 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:26.720 and eightieth and Arth where you couldn't. I used to 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.680 so mixtapes out the window to all the community. 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:31.439 Car drivers Old Jay's. They all used to come knocking 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:32.480 to buy myselff. 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:35.360 Hold on, hold on because a lot of people don't 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:36.840 not gonna know what Old J's is. 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:39.760 Cap Sure the cap sur okay, right? 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:40.680 And they had to. 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:42.799 They always had to bang in sound system. So anyway, 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:44.720 you could come up to my window knock and I 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:46.559 would open up, like, what's up? I met people won't 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:48.400 kind of Still, One day there was a knock on 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:52.480 my window. It was mister Nests, who now is Scorpio, 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:56.719 mister Ness and k Creole. Now I could be confused, 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:59.519 because again sometimes things are a blur. I'm sure it 1:14:59.600 --> 1:15:01.280 was Nests. If not, it would have been Combed. But 1:15:01.320 --> 1:15:04.200 I think it was Nests, and Creole said, Yo, man, 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:06.439 I was surprised to see them knocking on my window, 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:09.800 you know, like I was pre Col. Course, they weren't 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:10.559 even together yet. 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:12.479 We weren't even you guys were together. 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:16.200 No, we weren't together yet. This was in between seventy seven. 1:15:16.439 --> 1:15:20.800 Colquurtse didn't come together until seventy nine, around seventy nine. 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:24.360 Eighty and Flashes already left this as the crew. Yeah, 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:27.519 so let me expect this is where the timeline started 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:28.160 sucking football. 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:31.600 I'm now again I'm an old man, but. 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:36.960 I'm I don't know. Yeah, yeah, Territory, knock on the window, Yo, 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:38.320 can we come in and talk to ourself? 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:38.599 Sure? 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:42.559 Come inside, yo, man. We ain't with Flash no more. 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:45.040 We left Flash, we left back door. We ain't going back. 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:46.519 And I'm like, what the fuck? 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:47.360 What what happened? 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:47.479 Now? 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:51.880 Man? You know there was some kind of controversy with 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:54.439 the money, you know, and all kind of stuff they like, 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:56.920 So we didn't We didn't want Flashes to get they say, 1:15:56.960 --> 1:15:58.000 Flashers get more money. 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.759 They were claiming that there was a deal between Himan management. 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:01.280 I don't know. 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:02.800 There's always some kind of stuff. 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:06.640 Money, always everything up right. So I said, you're the 1:16:06.720 --> 1:16:09.160 only other DJ besides Theodore Flash. We know they can 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:11.719 cut like that. Would you be o our DJ? 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:12.400 Now? 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:14.720 I had a crew already, you know, a young crew. 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:16.439 What was the name of your crew? They didn't have 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:17.599 a name. It was just Charlie Chase. 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:18.599 Wasn't Tom and Jerry? 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:21.280 No, no, no, it was Jerry. 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:22.639 It was after Tom and Jerry. 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:25.040 By way, what's the name Toma Jerry? Yeah? 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:25.479 Yeah, yeah. 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:27.439 And they talk about Graham was the Theodore who they 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:29.680 were saying the other person was right? And Theirdore was 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:31.519 a little kid, you know, he was a young kid, 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:36.400 you know. So so they said we would you be 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:39.560 our DJ? And I said, hell, your fucking let's do it? 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:42.280 You know. So there's a tape and you go on 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:42.839 my page. 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:45.880 Well, I tell the story, the story behind the story, 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:48.200 and you hear me cutting up with mel Ryman and 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:54.640 mel And and mahem Ryman on there right. So I 1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:56.840 I For about the next six months or so, we 1:16:56.920 --> 1:17:00.360 were together. We were DJing, doing what we could, popping 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:04.280 up in parks when I was with them. Now, going 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.280 back to Tony, tone Tony, Tony and I have many 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.960 accomplishments together. Me and Tony from when I see Tony, 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:12.280 Tony and I were really the first black Puerto Rican 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:16.120 duo to do anything to come together. We do. We 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:18.000 were the ones who do the very first ever. 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:19.800 Ever drink Champs. 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:36.200 Yeah, the Champ High always. So we threw the very 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:39.960 first MC convention ever. One of the mcs and my 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:42.240 crew had the idea, his name was r. C. He says, Yo, 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:44.120 let's why don't we do this. I'm like, Yo, that's 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:46.080 a fucking genius idea. Let's do it. So me and 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:48.640 Tony we we we got it together. We do it 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:50.960 at the Webster one a third p a l up 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:54.360 in the Bronx. That was the first convention ever. So 1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:59.439 that day the Furies four were supposed no actually it 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:03.320 was a Fury five because now during the breakup was 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:07.040 when Raheem left the Funky Four and got came into 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:09.640 the Furious Five with us, changing their name from the 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:11.160 Four to the Furious five. 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.400 So now they're the Furious five. They were supposed to 1:18:14.479 --> 1:18:18.599 host They can get very confusing, furious yeah. 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:21.040 Yeah. So they were supposed to host the battle and 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.559 it was broad capacity. A lot of people showed up 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:28.120 for this thing, and the Casanovas showed up, and they 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:30.559 had to talk with them and told them, yo, yo, 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:31.360 y'all gotta. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:33.639 Come back, and they were like, yo, we're going back, 1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.080 and they went back, and I wasn't mad about it. 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:39.400 And then like a few months later or so, you know, uh, 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:43.960 seventy nine eighty something like that was then when we 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:44.800 formed the col Christ. 1:18:44.840 --> 1:18:46.800 See you did a couple of gigs with them or 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:47.639 were you ddaying? 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:50.640 Like for almost eight months or so, we never did 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:54.200 any paid gigs, but we were always jamming, right because 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:57.160 I guess remember at the time they have brought in Rahim, 1:18:57.200 --> 1:18:59.080 I guess they were still trying to get acclimated and 1:18:59.120 --> 1:19:02.000 gets in this stuff. They weren't doing shows like they 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.080 were doing afterward, like when when they got back together 1:19:05.200 --> 1:19:07.479 was when they started doing the bigger shows. Back then, 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:09.920 we were just jamming. They weren't really doing anything big 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:11.360 except for high schools and stuff like. 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:12.719 That, you understand. 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:16.920 So yeah, so we would jam out go in the parks. 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:19.599 Like when you see hear the tape that was Enforced 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.080 projects up in the Bronx. 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:23.760 You know, that's the only recorded that's crazy that's not 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:27.600 widely known though, no it's not. But the takers, the 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:28.519 takers to proof. 1:19:28.600 --> 1:19:30.800 You'll hear Melly Mills saying my name, I'm cutting to 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:34.080 be real by Lynn uh uh Sheryl Lynn. 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:37.280 I'm cutting that, you know, and and that that happened. 1:19:37.840 --> 1:19:38.920 That adds to your legend, bro. 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:41.960 Yeah, man, so so that they have to be furious five. 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:44.519 That's though, God damn it, ahead, get the next one. 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:48.559 Let's see where we're are here, Scarface or ice Cube. 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.479 I like ice Cube. I have to say ice Cub. 1:19:57.520 --> 1:19:57.840 You know why. 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.360 He reminds me so much of the Urse with their hardness. 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:05.240 I don't give a funns. And you know, it's like 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:06.639 we're doing what we're doing. 1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.320 The fuck y'all, you know, and that was what the 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:10.200 Cold courses off. But I would have to say ice Cube, 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:14.000 all right, beating nuts or Cypress Hill beat nuts. Man, 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:16.840 I love Cypress Hip, but beat nuts on my boys. 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:18.400 Man, you know those are my boys. 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:23.720 Bro shout out to a cycle les. They performed up 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:24.280 in the in the. 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:27.280 At the hard rocking Tampa about a couple of months ago. 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:28.640 They were hanging we were hanging out, and. 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:34.240 So Big Pun or Coolgie wrapped. That's that's gonna be 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:34.720 a tough one. 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:37.679 I don't. 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:41.560 Take your so this. I don't want to pike that. 1:20:41.640 --> 1:20:45.680 Okay, you said Coolie wrapping and and who know, big 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:50.840 big Big Pun. I'm not gonna pick between those two. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:51.120 I got. 1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:53.000 That. 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:54.640 I got love for both of them. Man, you know 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:58.160 what I'm saying, Bro, just give a shot that look. 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:12.040 Come on, even drunk, Come on, you guys, this these 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:15.479 fucking you guys are to the average, to the person. 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:20.160 You know, Fat Joe, I've definitely asked that, Fat Joe, 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.640 I don't know. Yeah, I could have told you that the. 1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:26.960 Guys we could have had it Bull coming would have 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:30.000 came here, would have and and he would have showed 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:33.479 a lot of himself, super rich and super Latino. 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.840 I'm not taking anything away from pit Bull I mean, listen, 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:40.080 he's made a lot of accomplishments. No, he's he's in 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:42.240 his own way, in his own right. Man, He's done 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:45.760 a lot early early humble beginning, and I've seen that. 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:48.160 I've seen the way he started and where he ended up. 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:51.320 Now he's internationally does he's on TV, he's got young. 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:56.439 He literally didn't let the game change him. He literally 1:21:56.520 --> 1:21:58.960 didn't like like I mean, even me, I let the 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:01.400 game change me. At one point I got sucked up, 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:03.320 you know. 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:03.640 What I mean. 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.320 It happened and then and then and then I came 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:07.200 back to reality. 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:09.879 But what do you describe? 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:13.439 What you What is a change? What changes you think? 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:15.680 You give an example of that. You're not realizing that 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:19.040 this game does not belong to you. It's the world's game. 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:23.479 And at one point, when you platinum, you think that 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.920 it's all about you, and it's actually not. You're the 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:29.760 fucking flavor of the month. 1:22:30.640 --> 1:22:34.000 Remember this, bro, nobody's bigger than hip hop. 1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:35.880 Nobody's bigger than hip hop. 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:40.360 Nobody's But that's the problem, the artistic no, no, no, no, 1:22:41.360 --> 1:22:42.840 that is the problem. That's the problem. 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:47.439 But what's the solution is when you find that out? 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.000 The solution is you find it out and you say, 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:55.160 you know what, because it just happens, like you know, 1:22:56.680 --> 1:23:03.479 being in front of the public's I sometimes you don't 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:08.720 realize that you're the seventh guy or the one hundredth guy, 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:11.680 and there's gonna be a hundred guys after you. That 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:16.400 that that that it's going to put in that same position, 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:21.680 and that shit is heartbreaking. Like like I always say, 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:23.759 but like it's hard to be the man on Monday 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:25.759 and not wake up and be the man on Wednesday. 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:27.400 But that wouldn't be a hip hop problem. That would 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:30.120 be a celebrity problem. That would be a famous problem. 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:33.720 I can't. I can't, I can't. I can't actually pinpoint 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:37.280 any other problem pinpoint hip hop. I could see when 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:40.640 I met a young MC, and if I can see it, 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:43.080 I know you can see it. And they're so humble. 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:45.160 Yeah, they're just happy to be there next year. 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:47.519 They're like, they won't even walk over and say hi 1:23:47.680 --> 1:23:51.000 to you. They won't even give you a fucking five 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:54.920 because they're the guy at that moment. And what they 1:23:54.960 --> 1:23:58.000 don't understand is we've been the guy for thirty years, 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:02.800 right twenty years ago. So every fucking party that you've 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:06.640 been to. I've kind of been there already. I get 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:11.960 it everything that you kind of did, like you're my ougi. 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:15.840 But I'll be looking at these these young boys you jaded, 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:18.519 your bit Jay, this young Wriver Snappers, and They're like, 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.360 you know, dude, what did you just say to me? 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:27.000 What did you just say to me? Like I was 1:24:27.120 --> 1:24:33.680 platinum in nineteenety eight, you platinum or trying to go 1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:40.519 platinum in twenty twenty four. I've had my party and 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:47.360 by the way, it was awesome, But listen fantastic. 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.840 Those those are my bad to cut you too, though, 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:52.120 but those. 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:54.240 Are the accolades I think that have gone wrong for 1:24:54.360 --> 1:24:58.200 hip hop because because in late eighties early nineties, I 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:04.280 can only speak for my general rational perception right or 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:07.680 point of view better said the artist I was listening to, 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:11.840 they were paying homage to the founders and the pioneers. 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:16.360 Therefore the listener and us coming up were like, these 1:25:16.439 --> 1:25:19.960 are our heroes. I didn't grow up on Cold Crust necessarily, 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:22.600 I didn't grow up on Grand Master Flash, but I 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:24.680 felt like I did because the artists that I grew 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.599 up to were saying, this is why we're here. Therefore, 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:30.200 this is why you're here listening to us and being 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:31.200 a part of this culture. 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.080 So this is why we're here. And so it made 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:35.439 me dig in the crazy sort of say. 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:40.439 And so to me, the accolades of selling platinum or 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:45.120 gold didn't matter. It was who impacted the culture more 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:48.479 and who are the forefathers and the foundation of people 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:52.320 that is that weighs way more than how many records 1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:55.320 you sold. You know what I'm saying, Like Crazy Legs, 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:59.040 who doesn't sell any records, was way more of a 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:02.280 bigger figure in pop then this artist that went platinum. 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.439 In a sense absolutely, And that's where I think where 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:07.000 we lost our way, No, because we don't do that anymore. 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.000 We don't, we don't. We started that picture, started to 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:15.360 equivolate uh, success with accolades, like how you just said, 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:19.519 like you just said, you said, you man, we didn't 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:20.760 have hit records, but we had. 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.639 Hits hit stage shows. 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:26.360 You you you you tear that stage show up. So 1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:30.320 when we started to like, uh, look at it and say, 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:32.000 all right, this is this, this is that, this is 1:26:32.080 --> 1:26:39.880 that because uh, let's just be clear. Na's first album, Ellmatic, 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:45.880 was not received. Yeah, I know, like people are lying 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:50.480 when they say, oh, Shmatic was Ellmatic wasn't classic. 1:26:50.320 --> 1:26:54.160 Sales wise, it wasn't sales wise, but culturally that's the thing. 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:59.800 Culturally what it did was phenomenal. It changed the album worry. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.479 I can't stand you motherfucker's telling me my hot of 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:07.080 classic legendary for my album. You motherfuckers did not go 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:11.320 to the stall. My ship did not say, but. 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:15.680 You're right because the audience, the audience was broke, that 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:16.960 culture was broke. 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:19.760 They had to boot leg and ship. You're gonna you're 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:22.599 gonna help them, Yes, but that's probably true. It can 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:24.160 be true, like the mix it because I come. 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.160 From the I'm a mixtape DJ that was putting your 1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:27.519 songs on my on my mixtape. 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:30.000 I hate to tell you this now, but you didn't 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:30.760 make a dime off. 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.360 Of me putting in on This is what I'm saying. 1:27:34.479 --> 1:27:36.519 But somehow we got here. 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:39.720 Yes, I'm telling you that shit hurt me. Like when 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:42.360 people say that now, they'd be like the woll report 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:44.000 got me through some ship. I'll be looking at you 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:47.759 like you boot leg my shit. You ain't buy my album. 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:50.280 I'm sorry, I wouldn't. I mean, person, I'm sorry. 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:52.320 Let me get the funk out you know what, Wilstefall 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:55.439 was under that category. Whilst All it was one hundred 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:59.439 listener thousand dollar budget movie. That movie was that everybody 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:02.000 tries to say Russell didn't. I'm not taking nothing away 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:05.439 from Russell, anything from Russell, but WildStar was the movie 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:08.880 that showed everybody how this was done, because everybody that 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:12.360 was in the movie that did what they acted actually 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:14.679 did what they did in real life. Even the stick 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:16.720 up kid in the movie was a real stick up. 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:18.640 Yeah. I'm gonna have to stand up and tell you, 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:21.320 Charlie Chase, you guys didn't act very well. 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:22.160 It was a documentary. 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.480 Saw you held a documentary. 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:27.879 I look at I said, I don't think they're reacting. 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:29.080 I think this is just a. 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:33.760 Do you know what it wants to stand up against 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:37.240 Theodore like this is it's giddy could beat come on man. 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:43.559 But it was a cult hit and that was all 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:46.080 over the world, and that was the movie that introduced 1:28:46.160 --> 1:28:48.559 hip hop to the entire planet. Because when the Will 1:28:48.640 --> 1:28:50.439 style first hit that we were on it and the 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:54.000 first stop we made was Japan. Dude, it was it 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.320 was like a nuclear explosion. We were there a week. 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.080 Everybody saw it was going on the first week. By 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:01.960 the time we left, there were already people out there 1:29:02.040 --> 1:29:04.479 dressing and guys trying to break dance and all kinds 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:07.439 of stuff. Right, I mean, listen, let me, let me 1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:10.400 show you the power of hip hop. Let me expect 1:29:10.439 --> 1:29:13.880 a story lost our tour, never been there first time. 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:18.680 We're all touring, right, we needed translators to walk around with. 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:21.560 So I'm walking on with this translator and there's this 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.200 Japanese kid with a boombox and he recognized me. I 1:29:25.240 --> 1:29:26.720 guess because we were doing a lot of TV and 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:28.400 a lot of press and stuff. So he recognized me 1:29:28.479 --> 1:29:30.599 and he runs up and he's talking Japanese. I don't 1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:32.960 understand up, but the translators telling me, oh, he knows 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:35.320 who you are. He says he loves the Cold Crush. 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:37.160 And I'm like, how do you know about the Cold Course? 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:39.920 And he says and he told the guy says, he 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.160 hits he hits play on it. He had a boombox, 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.000 he hits play and he's playing a Cold Curse tape. 1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:47.160 Well fucked my head up was that this guy didn't 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:49.880 speak a link lick of English, but he's reciting all 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:50.800 the Cold Curse liberals. 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:56.120 That's crazy. That was the power of hip hop. That 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:57.360 was the power of wild stock. 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:01.719 That movie said. 1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:04.920 Yeah it was old what you said, but yo, it 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:06.880 was it was not We're gonna We're I want to 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:11.920 circle back to when we finished Quick Time, Kid Frost 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:14.719 or Melimanaise, this is Latino rais. 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:18.160 I just wanted to let you know that Latino racism, right. 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:19.960 Why is the Latino racism? 1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:25.320 I just feel like the division. Mann just take a shower. 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:26.920 Met both of them, mayor. 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:30.160 Cool so uh and they and they both had their successes, 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:32.720 and both of them want to come together to drink Champs. 1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:34.439 F y, I'm saying it right here on the show 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:37.800 that both want to come together Kid Frost and Melimanaise. 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:39.599 I would like that on drink Champs. 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:41.600 I'd have to take a shower because I like to 1:30:41.680 --> 1:30:43.080 go for both my boys. 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:52.320 Man, Okay, I got this is some reggae. Don't ship 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:52.880 you got it? 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:55.040 Okay, I gotta do it. 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:55.880 You gotta do it. 1:30:55.960 --> 1:31:04.040 Man, you hate reggae, don you gotta reggaet package Diego 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:05.000 or Donald Mar. 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:06.800 Donald Mar is a man too. 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:07.840 Damn. 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:08.960 I love Donald Mare. 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:12.160 But I met Tago, I met Tago down brother, I 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:14.759 met him at Lehman High School in the Bronx sal. 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:17.000 When Tago was there. 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:20.320 I think so I was. I met me and Diego 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:22.200 squadstar Beef at Leaman High School. 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.240 He wasn't performing, he wasn't performing. 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:25.519 I don't know it was it was. 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:27.599 It was a death jam thing. 1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:28.800 Death jam was there? 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:34.320 Yes, yes, was there there. 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:34.800 We got that. 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:36.960 We got the choppit for a minute. We spoke man 1:31:37.040 --> 1:31:37.599 cool dude. 1:31:37.680 --> 1:31:37.840 Man. 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:41.160 You know, he didn't know who I was, but you know, he. 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:44.360 Was so he doesn't sometimes he didn't know what I 1:31:44.520 --> 1:31:45.439 was and. 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:47.360 I wasn't there trying to explain it. So I told him, 1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:49.120 you know, I'm showing so from a group and everything. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:49.840 He didn't know me. 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:50.640 I was cool with that. 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:53.680 I'm like, yo, I like your music, I appreciate. 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:53.920 You man and all that. 1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:56.920 And he was like he wasn't like so stuck up 1:31:56.920 --> 1:31:58.840 when he was man, who you know what I'm saying. 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:01.560 I never met donal Ma, but I like Don so 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:03.240 I would have to go with Donald Marcus. 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:05.719 Oh yeah, you just said this whole made a shot 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:08.559 for no reason. No think that. 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:12.439 The other one. 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:15.080 That. 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.200 But let me ask you, I feel like he's more 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:22.040 of an MC than a artist. 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:24.840 I do too. I think he's more of a hip 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:31.800 hop artist. I believe that he's a victim of his circumstances, 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:34.559 meaning like he had to well do certain things. 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:35.200 Because that's the other thing. 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:36.840 When I went to I went to Puerto Rico in 1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:40.559 two thousand, right before we had before what he did 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:43.880 and everything came overy and a lot of those artists 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:45.480 were regular. 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:49.520 Rais mcs, that's what they were, that couldn't. 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:52.160 Really make inroads, and he started. Look what they stuck 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:52.759 when they started. 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:53.880 What's your man name? 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.719 The producer echo, yeah, echoes man, Yeah. 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:00.759 When they started. I mean that those with the influences, 1:33:00.800 --> 1:33:03.360 it was MC. And then it evolved into what like 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:05.440 these guys want to mixtapes? 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:07.439 You know and all that. That's the question I want 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:09.280 to ask you, and I know we still have to. 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:11.120 No, it's not about me. 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:16.920 At what point did it become the MC? Because the 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:19.799 DJ was the motherfucking man, right. 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:21.320 Still, the motherfucking man, all right. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:26.240 I knew he was gonna rightfully, so we love you, 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:29.120 we love you as an MC, But when did it 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:34.920 become m C coming to the forefront because it was 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:37.200 DJ Okay, No one wanted to be a MC. 1:33:37.280 --> 1:33:40.160 And that's that's absolutely accurate. It was all about the DJ. 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:43.960 What made it the MC was when MC starting, he 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:48.960 started evolving from just making announcements and just throwing little 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:50.879 nursery rhymes here and there. 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:53.479 To promote the DJ, to promote the DJ. The DJ 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:57.120 Hollywood not not well when I was Hollywood. 1:33:57.120 --> 1:33:58.559 From what I under said, he was already DJ when 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:00.800 I started, you know, but he I wasn't around those 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:04.879 parties or didn't go to those parties. But the DMC 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:08.920 evolved into something more. He would cast and I'm gonna 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:11.719 go back to cast. Caz was one of the instrumental 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:15.040 people who were so gifted that he was telling. They 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:19.000 called Slick Rick the storyteller, and Cast is the original storyteller. 1:34:19.439 --> 1:34:21.760 You listen, I know about rhymes that you ain't never 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:23.639 heard that Cas has said when he was a kid, 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:28.479 and Caz is his mind is he's a genius. Bro. 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:32.479 Caz had started helping. I wouldn't say he's the first one, 1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:36.040 but I witnessed with my own eyes that evolution when 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.400 I started seeing people like Cas get on the mic 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:42.000 and started grabbing people's attention with his art, with his skill, 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:46.120 you know. And the skill was what catapulted the MC 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:49.120 in front of the DJ, you know, because remember it 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:51.160 was just starting with the DJ. It was all mechanical 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:53.479 with the with the bullshit equipment that we had. We 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:55.599 were doing what we were doing and we were making 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:56.320 a great job of it. 1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:00.360 It was close to it, you know, but it was 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:04.160 hand me down stereocrip with bell drive right, terrible bell drive. 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.160 If you weren't able to cut on bell drives, you were. 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:09.320 Those were my first turn tables, you know what bell drives. 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:10.920 So that was when happened. 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:14.200 You know, the DJ, the DJ needed I was shy. 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:17.880 I was never a microphane person, so I needed a mouthpiece, 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:20.720 you know, and I was and you know, my first 1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:23.240 time C was Cisco Kid from Beach Street, and so 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:26.519 you know, that was that was what started it. 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:29.320 I needed a mouthpiece. Every DJ needed a mouthpiece. 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:32.639 And then when they were seeing other DJs bring their 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.360 skill up, then that's when it started evolving. And then 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:37.920 they came to the floor for now because people wanted 1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:39.120 to hear what they wanted to say. 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:39.680 You know. 1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:43.160 I remember DJ is the back one because without the 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:46.040 DJ starting the party, you don't get an m C, 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:48.400 you don't get b boys and girls dancing on the 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:51.519 dance floor right. DJ's were the ones that perpetuated the 1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:52.280 beginning of everything. 1:35:52.439 --> 1:35:55.280 Mcs came so they was wearing spikes and it was like, yeah, 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:59.880 uh huh, charge. 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:03.080 Shout out the big drink. Who was my miamc My 1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:07.080 first mcane was an artist, you know when I was DJing, 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:08.719 he was the guy on the microphone in the beginning. 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:12.880 Him and Weird Thoughts, Paul, I keep. 1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:16.320 Forgetting, I keep forgetting. Your original name was Weird Thoughts. 1:36:16.880 --> 1:36:21.040 And then everywhere every time we do Underdog Fantasy, I 1:36:21.280 --> 1:36:26.920 remember that he is Weird Thoughts, Ellmatic or reasonable Doubt. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.560 I'm not gonna lie. I'm not familiar with any of 1:36:30.640 --> 1:36:31.040 them too much. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:33.920 Matic is not his first album. And reasonable doubt Jason. 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.880 For me to be honest with you, I haven't heard. 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:39.479 So he's saying neither. We're drinking. Yeah, we're drinking. 1:36:41.120 --> 1:36:43.240 He's saying, I'm not gonna lie. 1:36:43.360 --> 1:36:48.519 I'm not gonna lie, you know, Thank you, James. Okay, 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:51.240 just for the record, I got you know, I asked 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:53.720 a lot of these questions you did, and we're almost done, 1:36:53.760 --> 1:36:56.479 and were almost done. Maybe you don't drink King of New. 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:58.920 York, what do you do is like we can come 1:36:59.000 --> 1:36:59.720 up with you. Yeah? 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:03.040 Literally all right. 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:06.640 Before New Jack City, New Jack City, King of New 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:07.640 York was with Denzel No. 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:09.559 It wasn't no no, no, think. 1:37:12.640 --> 1:37:16.200 New Jack City from Walk City, right Walker. 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:21.360 Right right, all right, I gotta I gotta do this one. 1:37:21.479 --> 1:37:21.920 You go ahead. 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:25.080 The fever or Latin quarters fever. 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:28.200 Brother, I grew up in the fever, man, I grew yo, 1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:28.920 that's what we ever. 1:37:29.160 --> 1:37:31.160 Like your face this little and I feel like there 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:33.880 was there for sure. You see his face leaves. I 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:35.040 was literally in the fever with. 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:35.599 You right now? 1:37:35.840 --> 1:37:38.280 You know what the place to go to think about 1:37:38.280 --> 1:37:38.800 this picture? 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:41.240 This lot of cocaine at okay, definitely a lot. 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:44.760 But we got to tell everybody cocaine wasn't crazy back then. 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:47.720 It was like with a fast drink. 1:37:47.760 --> 1:37:48.920 It was a fashion drug. 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:54.640 If you had cocaine, you have status energy just. 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:05.040 Reference before. But it wasn't it wasn't illegal. I'm sorry, sorry, 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:07.880 I forgot the question. What was. 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:12.040 The fever pictured? 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:17.439 This the fever you got run dmc whodini, Cold Crush, 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:22.639 Treacher's three Furious five, Curtis Blow sometimes Russell Simmons. After 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:24.559 they did what we did at the night at at 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:26.679 the end of the night, I didn't go as offen 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.840 as chasin JDLD, but I go everybody will go there. 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:32.439 That's where everybody would go and meet and drink and 1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:33.280 talk about. 1:38:33.479 --> 1:38:36.599 The four Stories of the Night or whatever. The fever 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:38.640 was the place to meet girls and hang on. And 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:41.040 that was the atmosphere. You know how many said a 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:47.040 quick story. Ronald Eisley was that right. I'm up against 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:49.000 the wall by if you know anything about the fever. 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:50.439 As soon as you walk in, there was a photo 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:52.560 booth right there in the front, right, so I was. 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:55.560 I was up against the wall. They're just chilling and 1:38:55.840 --> 1:38:57.160 and I and I go like this, and I'm like, 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:01.840 there's a cat the baseball hat like this covering his 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:02.760 eyes right, just like this. 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:05.000 You can't see he's covering his eyes. But you you 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:06.280 you Ronald eyes. 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:13.160 He got that face you cannot mistaken, I say, Ronald, 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:14.880 and he looked up and goes. 1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:19.680 I said, stop that, brother, this is the fever. Everybody 1:39:19.720 --> 1:39:20.720 here's a celebrity. 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:21.200 Stopped. 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:27.200 He was telling me to because of celebrity. Yeah, yo, 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:29.280 everybody is a celebrity. It's not gonna be on you 1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:31.519 like that. You know, and he was like he wasn't 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:31.880 having it. 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:34.479 But true story, we used to have celebrities like that 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:35.240 that came to the Fever. 1:39:35.680 --> 1:39:39.160 Yes, and the Fever turned into Room Boss you're talking. 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:40.040 About in Treeman Avenue. 1:39:40.200 --> 1:39:45.240 The original Fever was on one hundred and sixty seven Rowl. 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:49.680 Come on, bro, I know Cetala when he had a 1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:52.880 DA well he was Italian with a DA bro with 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:54.880 the open shirt and the necklace and all that. 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:58.320 Yeah, you know, I did not know that. 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:02.160 I didn't know Schoomball goes to DJ Yeah, what was 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.479 I forgot the other guy's name. They have some dope 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:06.280 DJs there. 1:40:06.880 --> 1:40:10.200 Get you ready? Yeah, Bat Boys or the Beastie Boys. 1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:11.640 Beastie Boys. 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:14.320 I like. I like the BC Boys, you know why 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:15.320 because I'm a rockhead. 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:17.320 I love rock music. 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:19.000 And when they came out and they were doing what 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:20.200 they were doing, I ate it. 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:22.640 Like fruit loops, bro, I just ate the whole thing up. 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:28.439 Man. When I met them, they they went crazy. It 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:29.400 wasn't there a synergy. 1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:32.559 And we talked about with Kaz and Flash with rock 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:34.639 and hip hop at the time, because they were both 1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:39.280 these countercultures right punk rock specifically right. 1:40:39.600 --> 1:40:42.160 CBGB's there was a Chariot downtown. 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:46.120 So yeah, holy shit, and this is the last one 1:40:46.160 --> 1:40:48.000 for quick Time of Slime to be getting to direct 1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:52.440 the interview. Loyalty or respect. 1:40:54.080 --> 1:41:01.000 Respect, respect, because I've met people that I've never met 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:03.320 in my life but have showed me more respect than 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:06.000 a lot of motherfuckers who were loyal to me. Because 1:41:06.320 --> 1:41:08.920 what happens sometimes, and I've experienced, is people are loyal 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:10.719 to you and after a while they become. 1:41:10.560 --> 1:41:13.479 Too familiar with you and they can be disrespectful, and 1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:14.599 then I got to cut you off. 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:16.519 Respect people. 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:18.799 I've met people that I've met, people. 1:41:18.600 --> 1:41:20.320 I've never seen in my life, and they show me 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:25.840 instant respectful what I've done their They're kind, respectful, you know, 1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:28.080 they give me They would have to be respect first. 1:41:28.280 --> 1:41:29.640 You ain't got to like me, but you're going to 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:30.160 respect them. 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:34.519 Jesus, that was so great. I'm going to the bathroom. 1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:43.479 You and I got to say, my friends, win my shirt, 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.240 give you your shirt and if you ain't got one 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:47.800 for e f N, don't feel batter that one. 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:48.160 For f. 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:53.920 A folarship. Here you go right here, bro, this is you. 1:41:58.400 --> 1:41:58.599 Man. 1:41:59.360 --> 1:41:59.960 Let me show you. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:10.240 Thank you so much, brother p Yeah, please, bro, thank you. 1:42:10.320 --> 1:42:12.880 Man one of the tours and we're going all right. 1:42:13.400 --> 1:42:14.080 I didn't Columbia. 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:15.080 I didn't bring a whole lot. 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.639 So yeah, yeah we're rolling. 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:19.360 Yeah we rolling. 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:26.519 That's right. God damn it. What common sense? And Pete Rock, 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:27.640 we donna wear it. 1:42:27.680 --> 1:42:28.920 Don't don't take my style. 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:31.800 Don't you don't want you want to be kidding? Play? 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:32.479 What time? 1:42:33.160 --> 1:42:33.559 What time? 1:42:34.320 --> 1:42:36.920 What cool? 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:38.960 What you got? What side you wear? 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:42.240 No, I know that's not the baby world because I 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.040 don't know where she is. 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:47.400 I got it, got. 1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:49.160 Yeah. 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:53.599 Listen, guys, it is not as a fitting session, guys. 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:58.680 Charlie Chase. Listen, Charlie Chase. Your shirts are exclusive. You 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:00.599 don't got to give it to everybody. You can say 1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:04.840 something brand right now, but these guys are not worthy. 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:09.160 Only got I got yeah, the jem. 1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:20.040 Shot. He just sounds sports good. That's that's that's my 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:25.559 gave it to your old friend. Hold on, that's my nephew. 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:30.920 That's was just sure. Give it the twin right there, 1:43:31.240 --> 1:43:36.479 swin right there. You can't can't be that even he doesn't, 1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:39.760 but he he you guys, I got you, I. 1:43:39.760 --> 1:43:40.360 Got you guys. 1:43:40.560 --> 1:43:43.400 Number that come on that my nephew right there. 1:43:43.720 --> 1:43:46.760 Yes, he's a motivational speakers, has been our shows with 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:47.719 Grand Cardoon. 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:48.800 That's my friend. 1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:49.600 What was up? 1:43:49.920 --> 1:43:55.679 He say, Man, Sean McMurray shot. 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:08.080 You got shot hip yo. I'm gonna be honest. I 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:09.840 know I said it earlier, but I want to say 1:44:09.840 --> 1:44:13.639 it again. I want to thank you as a man, 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:22.560 as a person who has a career hip hop in 1:44:22.640 --> 1:44:25.960 a lot of ways. When I researched you and I 1:44:26.080 --> 1:44:32.040 kept I went in to jap yep and they label 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:38.680 you as the first Puerto ricand hip hop, and that 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:45.320 shit is so vulnerable because I always fight to say 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:50.120 that Latinos was there in the beginning and I'm black too, 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:55.240 But sometimes I feel like they kind of try to 1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:58.160 erase that part of history. Not very like, not like 1:44:58.240 --> 1:45:01.760 it's like a bunch of black people around. That's not that. 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:04.880 But what I'm trying to say is it's become a thing. 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:06.920 It's become a thing, has become. 1:45:07.600 --> 1:45:08.920 Can add a little bit of clarity to that. 1:45:09.120 --> 1:45:11.920 Okay, Whenever they say I'm the first Puerto Rican and 1:45:12.000 --> 1:45:16.760 hip hop, I understand why they credit it, right, there 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:19.880 were other Puerto Ricans before me. You know, Kas's Cartner 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:24.519 Disco Whiz. Unfortunately, you know, he got sidetracked. He had 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:27.320 in his career early he was there, he was Kas's partner, 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:29.640 but he was there before I was, you know, with 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:32.920 Kaz when he was when he first started. Now, they 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:35.400 credit me with being the first Puerto Rican DJ because 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:39.320 I was the one who was blessed enough to have enough. 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:43.439 Talent that that just shot out in front of everybody. 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:46.479 You understand, I was the first war well known. 1:45:47.200 --> 1:45:50.360 What I did and represented all people worldwide. Right, you 1:45:50.479 --> 1:45:52.080 understand I'm the first in that ass. 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:54.639 And as a DJ, which at that time would have catapulted. 1:45:54.640 --> 1:45:56.360 And there were a few of the DJs. They were 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:58.880 like young from the neighborhood like me, you know, and 1:45:58.960 --> 1:45:59.880 they were Hispanic too. 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.280 They just never got all up. They didn't either for 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:04.519 whatever reason it was. They didn't get out in the 1:46:04.600 --> 1:46:06.960 forefeet like I did. But yeah, I'll take credit in 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.400 that aspect, But to me to be here say that 1:46:09.479 --> 1:46:12.439 I'm the actual first, No, I can't say that. I can't. 1:46:12.720 --> 1:46:14.440 I got to give the credit where the credits. 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:19.160 Make some noise for that guy. I know this is 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:23.800 a cliche type of question, and I noticed it's gonna 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:27.120 make sense, but it might not make sense. Did you 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:28.920 ever think that hip hop would make it this far, 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:32.800 yes or no. I would like to hear you. 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:34.680 At the very beginning, when we were doing it, and 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:36.400 I knew something was there, but I didn't know what 1:46:36.520 --> 1:46:38.960 it was except that I was just beating a lot 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:39.479 of chicks. 1:46:39.640 --> 1:46:40.479 You know what I'm saying. 1:46:41.600 --> 1:46:42.040 I didn't know. 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:43.880 You know what was the turning point when I knew, 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:47.639 because remember I come from a family of musicians, when rappers, 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:48.479 the light dropped. 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:52.080 I said, this is where it's going. This is where 1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:52.439 it's going. 1:46:52.560 --> 1:46:54.599 I knew that it was going to be big because 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:57.360 now it's on a record for the masses to hear. 1:46:57.960 --> 1:46:59.880 That's when I knew it was going to be big 1:47:00.000 --> 1:47:02.519 because I knew, listen, you had to be where I 1:47:02.640 --> 1:47:05.120 was in the neighborhoods, the way people were inspired. People 1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:08.559 were showing up by the hundreds at freaking school yards 1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:11.799 till two or three o'clock in the morning, us playing 1:47:12.120 --> 1:47:13.800 two or three o'clock in the morning out there, and 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:15.040 they were hanging out with us. 1:47:15.880 --> 1:47:19.519 We were We were the superstars in the ghetto. Everywhere 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:21.400 we walked, man, you know, we were the stars. 1:47:21.439 --> 1:47:23.200 I couldn't go to Ford and Road without people knowing 1:47:23.400 --> 1:47:27.000 who I was, you understand until when rappers the light 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:31.000 hit that opened the door for Grandmaster flashing them and 1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:34.720 whomoding them and even opened up the doors for us 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:38.599 in the sense and everybody else that that followed. So yeah, 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:42.240 I didn't know at first because I didn't see what 1:47:42.479 --> 1:47:44.479 was going on. I never thought about records. But when 1:47:44.520 --> 1:47:47.040 the record dropped and what year was that the recorders 1:47:47.080 --> 1:47:47.559 that I came out? 1:47:47.600 --> 1:47:48.160 Seventy nine? 1:47:49.880 --> 1:47:54.920 Okay, so let me just ask just I know this 1:47:55.120 --> 1:47:59.880 is was that shit called a question that you know 1:48:00.760 --> 1:48:05.760 the answer to rhetorical? Rhetorical? You don't think hip hop 1:48:05.880 --> 1:48:08.519 and right invented in Queen's a little Bit. 1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:11.120 Oh, Queens gets massive credit? Are you kidding me? 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:12.000 Yeah? 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:13.479 Man, I don't think you heard his question? 1:48:17.080 --> 1:48:18.000 What did a. 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:22.040 Because do you not think that it got invented in 1:48:22.120 --> 1:48:24.639 Queens a little Bit invented, not invented? 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:26.880 Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's that part. 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:30.080 Yeah, that's the part you ain't That's why he Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:38.720 I always credit Shan because Shan says hip hop started out, 1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:43.120 you know what I mean, he was saying what he 1:48:43.360 --> 1:48:46.519 saw in his neighborhood. He not he he never I 1:48:46.560 --> 1:48:48.240 don't think he ever said that. 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:50.519 It was. 1:48:51.640 --> 1:48:53.760 But did he mean Queen's Bridge Park or did he 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:55.800 mean he's just saying it started out on the. 1:48:55.840 --> 1:48:56.760 Best part for him. 1:48:57.560 --> 1:48:59.360 I don't we I don't know how much we talked 1:48:59.400 --> 1:48:59.880 about that one. 1:49:00.200 --> 1:49:01.920 Maybe you might be looking into it a little bit 1:49:01.920 --> 1:49:03.280 too deep because hip hop bissed on the. 1:49:03.280 --> 1:49:05.640 Parks right now, But that's what I'm saying. No, no, no, 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:08.920 that's I know. I'm exactly pinpointing be any park. He 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:12.400 could have just been exclaiming it started out in the park. 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:14.000 We all know it started out in the park. But 1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:15.439 here's here's what I'm trying to say to you. 1:49:16.520 --> 1:49:18.880 I suppose the first time you ever heard of hip 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:24.200 hop it was in kind sugar Wood Park, Right, that's 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:24.960 a real place, right. 1:49:25.000 --> 1:49:27.160 Yeah, that's what that's That's a big that's a big 1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:29.320 part of So you. 1:49:29.400 --> 1:49:36.040 And sugar Wood Jesus, y'all calm down. The first time 1:49:36.120 --> 1:49:40.519 you ever heard of let's not say hip hop aces great, right, 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:42.000 the first time you ever heard of it was in 1:49:42.080 --> 1:49:45.240 sugar Wood Park. To you, that's what you think it is. 1:49:45.720 --> 1:49:52.080 So I'm asking you, isn't a possibility that you think 1:49:52.320 --> 1:49:55.599 mc shan thought that that hip hop really did event 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:56.360 in Queens. 1:49:57.400 --> 1:49:59.439 I don't think he thought that. I don't think because 1:49:59.439 --> 1:50:01.439 it's too far long when he came into the game 1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:02.200 for him to think that. 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:04.280 But I don't think when he said that he meant 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:08.400 that it was started. No, because what I mean, it's 1:50:08.439 --> 1:50:10.760 a fact it did start out in the park, you 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:14.960 know what I'm saying. But I think it may have 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:18.240 been a little bit embroiled with the whole chante battle that, 1:50:18.880 --> 1:50:20.920 you know, that might have had something to do with 1:50:21.120 --> 1:50:24.000 what we remember. It was very competitive, you know, so 1:50:24.080 --> 1:50:26.479 if you're gonna talk shit, I'm gonna talk shit, you 1:50:26.560 --> 1:50:28.720 know what I'm saying. So I don't I don't think. 1:50:28.760 --> 1:50:31.400 I know Shan. I know Shan personally. You know, we're friends. 1:50:31.479 --> 1:50:34.960 We love Shy. He's crazy to follow him Instagram. We 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:36.400 produce some records together. 1:50:36.640 --> 1:50:39.200 Yeah, it was crazy because one thing I'm learning, as 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:42.800 as we get older in this right or anybody, as 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:46.080 as as the culture gets older, we try we tend 1:50:46.120 --> 1:50:47.479 to compact the history. 1:50:48.400 --> 1:50:53.160 Right and Shan he came out what in the eighties, Yeah, eighties, 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:53.879 and look. 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:56.360 How much when he's talking about that, he starts in 1:50:56.439 --> 1:50:58.680 seventy five. But how much happens from seventy five to 1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:01.240 seventy nine that he's talked about that is game changing. 1:51:02.080 --> 1:51:04.080 We don't We're never going to consider that as you 1:51:04.160 --> 1:51:06.400 know what I'm saying. So that's that's why I think. 1:51:06.439 --> 1:51:10.160 I think Shan knew what he was saying true, But 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:11.880 I like that they squashed it. 1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:15.559 Yeah, you grow up, man, you know, I mean, listen 1:51:15.720 --> 1:51:18.759 us in a fantastic you know anything about the battle? 1:51:18.880 --> 1:51:20.519 You ever throw down? Like throw down, throw down. 1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:22.120 I never got to the body. 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:23.000 I never used. 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:33.080 Only a stereotype. I never walked a round with. 1:51:33.120 --> 1:51:33.880 A gun with a knife. 1:51:36.840 --> 1:51:38.760 But no. 1:51:39.040 --> 1:51:45.360 But seriously, Shan, he's he's a creative mind. But like 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:49.080 what you were saying, you ever hear him on he's crazy, 1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:53.519 but he speaks a lot of he's he's an old 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:55.080 guy off his rocker, but he's not. 1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:55.560 He's not. 1:51:56.479 --> 1:51:59.240 Exactly what he's saying is what confuses you. 1:51:59.360 --> 1:51:59.840 But he's. 1:52:04.680 --> 1:52:06.120 So we can hear exactly what you're saying. 1:52:07.320 --> 1:52:09.599 And tears cry when he got his new set of teeth. 1:52:10.120 --> 1:52:10.360 Was just. 1:52:12.200 --> 1:52:13.320 Sh is on point man. 1:52:14.160 --> 1:52:17.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's, he's he's a deep thinker 1:52:17.600 --> 1:52:18.400 in a different way. 1:52:19.040 --> 1:52:21.439 You know what I'm saying. The thing with him is like, man, 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:23.519 fuck yo, this is what it is, you know, like 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:25.920 a good your olf whatever, you know, that attitude? 1:52:26.280 --> 1:52:27.000 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:52:27.920 --> 1:52:34.240 Have you ever been at one point? For me? I 1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:35.920 just lost my love for hip hop? 1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:36.160 Right? 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:41.240 It was just I'm lying. I didn't lose my love. 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:49.040 I lost I lost what everyone was chasing. Everyone started 1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:52.360 to chase a certain dream. That wasn't it Like for me, 1:52:53.200 --> 1:52:55.040 you have to be nice, you have to be good 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:58.840 at your craft, and and that's what it is. And 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:02.479 now it's just about sometimes chasing money. Don't get it twisted. 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:06.160 I like some money, of course, but then I also 1:53:06.400 --> 1:53:07.200 like my craft. 1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:07.840 Right. 1:53:09.479 --> 1:53:12.960 Has there ever been a time where you fro like 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:13.920 fuck hip hop? 1:53:14.640 --> 1:53:17.120 Sometimes? I feel like that. Now, I'll be honest with you, 1:53:17.280 --> 1:53:21.760 because I love hip hop. Hip hop is my life. 1:53:21.840 --> 1:53:24.320 I mean, you know, I'm one of the I helped 1:53:24.640 --> 1:53:28.000 create them, your foundation, you know, I'm part of the evolution, 1:53:28.680 --> 1:53:30.800 you know. So it's really it's really deep to me. 1:53:31.320 --> 1:53:34.080 And and I see what you're saying. They don't take 1:53:34.160 --> 1:53:35.920 it as an art anymore. Now, it's just the way 1:53:35.960 --> 1:53:38.320 to get a bag, you know what I'm saying. And 1:53:38.520 --> 1:53:41.240 you lose a lot when you when that's all that's 1:53:41.320 --> 1:53:43.920 on your mind, that's all you are. So I compare 1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:47.479 these people to like, like like the Olympics. You got 1:53:47.560 --> 1:53:50.840 your marathon runners and you got your sprinters. Marathon runners 1:53:51.479 --> 1:53:53.960 continue for decades and decades and decades. Then you got 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:56.960 these guys that's just sprinters. They might last a year, two, 1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:59.639 maybe three, and then they're their career is gone. That's 1:53:59.680 --> 1:54:02.519 how that is with these guys. You understand what I'm saying. 1:54:02.960 --> 1:54:07.000 So listen, think about this for a second. There hasn't 1:54:07.000 --> 1:54:09.439 been a number one charting record on Billboard fall on 1:54:09.560 --> 1:54:11.160 Billboard for almost two years. 1:54:11.040 --> 1:54:14.479 Now until right now with the Kendricks does Okay, So 1:54:14.600 --> 1:54:15.200 look aw long it. 1:54:15.200 --> 1:54:17.439 Took based on negativity too good? 1:54:17.560 --> 1:54:21.360 Right, that's crazy, that's truth and it's crazy. But think 1:54:21.360 --> 1:54:22.240 about that for a second. 1:54:23.400 --> 1:54:24.040 Hip hop was. 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:26.120 Always commanding on the number one spider and all of 1:54:26.120 --> 1:54:29.160 a sudden it's not you know what changed. I think 1:54:29.200 --> 1:54:32.080 it was that people weren't respecting the art anymore. Now 1:54:32.160 --> 1:54:35.040 it's just a way to make money now. Trickley and 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:37.920 I had a conversation one day about this force and 1:54:38.480 --> 1:54:41.800 and we came up to the conclusion and it was 1:54:42.000 --> 1:54:45.240 there was a time when my time, and a few 1:54:45.240 --> 1:54:48.720 other people's time, like like your time, you had interest 1:54:48.760 --> 1:54:53.000 in something, you studied it, you started practicing, you started practicing, 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:56.760 you became brave enough to take it out to the public, 1:54:56.800 --> 1:54:59.240 to your family, to your friends. After that, you were 1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:01.840 brave enough to take it to the public. You did 1:55:01.880 --> 1:55:03.920 what you did, and then you were brave enough to 1:55:03.960 --> 1:55:06.280 take it to a record and do what you did. 1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:09.440 Now you make a record, and then you go back 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:12.880 to trying to be and m C. That's crazy. It 1:55:12.960 --> 1:55:16.240 sounds crazy, but it's a fact, you know, And and 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:18.160 and that's what that's where we're at right now. And 1:55:18.440 --> 1:55:20.480 it kills me because it's like, I don't I don't 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:22.480 even want to produce hip hop records anymore. And now 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:24.720 I'm looking more to doing stuff with movies and stuff 1:55:24.800 --> 1:55:28.080 like that. I'm actually right now producing a remake of 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:34.920 a ela for uh uh uh uh uh, an analyist Grace, 1:55:35.960 --> 1:55:38.960 she said, a Grammy nominated art, Latin Grammy nominated artist. 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:41.360 She's got an album coming out, and now I'm doing 1:55:41.360 --> 1:55:44.520 a remix for her for I Wan, which is coming 1:55:44.560 --> 1:55:47.400 out right before the Puerto Rican DA Parade, you know. 1:55:47.520 --> 1:55:48.400 So I'm getting more too. 1:55:48.560 --> 1:55:51.880 I've always liked different kinds of music's anyway, music anyway, 1:55:51.920 --> 1:55:53.880 so it's natural for me to just switch up and 1:55:53.920 --> 1:55:56.440 do what I gotta do. Hey, I produced Latin Freestyle. 1:55:56.560 --> 1:55:58.520 I had Trilogy, a group that was a hit for years. 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:00.960 I wrote that Latin Love You Make Yeah, I wrote 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:02.640 that with seeing all the guy who wrote the lyrics. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:06.240 I wrote all the music Amaretto clave Rocks. That was 1:56:06.280 --> 1:56:08.560 another big record. I was the producer. I didn't get 1:56:08.760 --> 1:56:10.840 producer I didn't get producer credit out of They only 1:56:10.880 --> 1:56:13.520 gave me mixing credit. But truth be told, I'm the 1:56:13.560 --> 1:56:16.800 reason why that record even exists. So it wasn't a 1:56:16.840 --> 1:56:19.120 problem for me to always switch gears and go another direction. 1:56:20.040 --> 1:56:21.840 But you're right, man, But you're right. What you're saying, 1:56:21.960 --> 1:56:24.000 what that you know hip hop? Right now? 1:56:24.080 --> 1:56:25.560 You feel a little jaded about it. 1:56:25.640 --> 1:56:28.720 It's like it's not the same I do because I 1:56:28.840 --> 1:56:31.920 love this culture like I love the I just told you. 1:56:32.520 --> 1:56:37.080 Carusen made two of the worst records of my child history, 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:41.680 and he's still my favorite rapper. Yeah, because I couldn't. 1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:43.760 Because you know what he's about. You know, he's not phony. 1:56:44.120 --> 1:56:46.480 Everybody's allowed to miss not everybody's gonna have a hit. 1:56:46.600 --> 1:56:48.600 Everybody's allowed a hit or two. That's that's just the 1:56:48.720 --> 1:56:50.920 nature of the game. But in your heart, you know 1:56:50.960 --> 1:56:52.680 where he comes from, you know where his heart is, 1:56:52.760 --> 1:56:54.840 so you respect that, and he's always going to be 1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:55.920 one of your favorites, you know. 1:56:56.040 --> 1:56:58.160 And I respect that because you're seeing it for what 1:56:58.240 --> 1:56:59.960 it really is, for what it really is. 1:57:00.760 --> 1:57:02.760 You know, who's your favorite Puerto Rican artist? 1:57:03.400 --> 1:57:04.280 Puerto Rican artist? 1:57:05.080 --> 1:57:06.040 You go racist? Right now? 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:09.200 Okay, well, let's go racist nobody. 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:13.280 If I would have to pick a Puerto Rican artist, 1:57:13.360 --> 1:57:14.000 I'm gonna be out of it. 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:15.160 It would be Mark Anthony. 1:57:15.640 --> 1:57:17.000 I was going, heck the Love, all right? 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:18.160 He the Love is classic. 1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:19.120 I grew up on Hector. 1:57:19.200 --> 1:57:20.400 But Mark Anthony is my friend. 1:57:20.640 --> 1:57:21.560 Oh damn, all right? 1:57:21.640 --> 1:57:22.920 What about that man? 1:57:24.560 --> 1:57:28.360 You know what I mean? The percussion brother, the percussion. 1:57:28.760 --> 1:57:31.760 I'm gonna be honest. You know what I noticed. You're 1:57:31.760 --> 1:57:38.640 a lawyalty. Yes, yeah, you based your answers based upon 1:57:38.800 --> 1:57:43.600 who you knew, how your relationships is and when I 1:57:43.760 --> 1:57:45.120 when I you know, we've been doing. 1:57:45.080 --> 1:57:48.440 This for eight years, right, going, no, going on to 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:49.240 nine years now. 1:57:49.320 --> 1:57:54.400 Jesus, we are old like that. You're gonna get yourself 1:57:54.840 --> 1:57:55.839 time just trying. 1:57:55.640 --> 1:57:56.000 To get you. 1:57:58.680 --> 1:58:05.080 I'm gonna rewinding my time. So that is fucking How 1:58:05.120 --> 1:58:07.320 can I put this in a nice way and the 1:58:07.400 --> 1:58:12.120 best best way? That is fucking awesome, because I mean 1:58:13.480 --> 1:58:16.960 that's how I am. I'm loyal, but some people tell 1:58:17.000 --> 1:58:20.800 me I'm loyal to the fault. Has that ever been 1:58:21.000 --> 1:58:21.640 a problem for. 1:58:21.640 --> 1:58:25.000 You, like, let me take some of these knaves off 1:58:25.080 --> 1:58:25.400 my back? 1:58:26.240 --> 1:58:28.920 Yeah, man, no doubt. You know, people have taken advantage 1:58:28.960 --> 1:58:31.440 of my loyalty. You know, I've helped people make money, 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:34.120 I've helped people get established and and I've gotten I'm 1:58:34.160 --> 1:58:36.160 not going to mention even you know, I'm going to 1:58:36.200 --> 1:58:39.440 get into it, but you know, yeah, of course, man, 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:44.360 but you know what it is. I'm I wouldn't say loyal. 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:47.040 I always say respectful to these people, and I love them, 1:58:47.080 --> 1:58:49.640 you know why, because I see where they come from 1:58:49.680 --> 1:58:50.360 with what they're doing. 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:53.120 You understand, they're true to this. They like this. 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:56.440 They respect the art, you know, and if you respect 1:58:56.480 --> 1:58:58.400 the art and you're giving it all and you're making 1:58:58.480 --> 1:58:59.160 you've got results. 1:58:59.200 --> 1:58:59.920 I gotta respect you. 1:59:00.000 --> 1:59:00.720 I love you for that. 1:59:01.080 --> 1:59:02.720 I'm always going to show loyalty to you for that 1:59:02.920 --> 1:59:03.120 you know. 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:07.000 So now I can see that in you. Man, I 1:59:07.040 --> 1:59:14.680 can see because I know he suffers from the same thing. 1:59:15.360 --> 1:59:16.240 Ain't nothing wrong with that. 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.000 I suffer from the same thing. It's just like sometimes 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:27.480 I don't say no, and I can't say no. The 1:59:27.600 --> 1:59:31.600 reason why I seldomly go to New York because my 1:59:31.760 --> 1:59:37.480 number is the same. So the same bozo asshole motherfucker's 1:59:37.520 --> 1:59:44.040 called me I still pick up right, and that's a flaw. Right, 1:59:44.160 --> 1:59:48.840 I'm an idiot. I'm not saying you're an idiot or 1:59:48.880 --> 1:59:51.040 you're an idiot, but what I'm saying is being loyal 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:55.680 to people who's not loyal to the makes you makes you? 1:59:56.080 --> 1:59:56.400 Makes you? 1:59:57.280 --> 1:59:57.520 Yeah? 1:59:59.200 --> 2:00:02.920 You do you regret that? Or would you do it 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:03.360 all over? 2:00:05.480 --> 2:00:06.760 I regret it. 2:00:06.840 --> 2:00:10.400 If I regret it, that's me holding that poison inside. 2:00:11.960 --> 2:00:15.200 So I choose not to regret it because it's like 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:17.240 to me, I'll just take it as a learning experience 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:19.480 and I now I know for next time to see 2:00:19.520 --> 2:00:22.240 the signs and avoid it. You know, I'm not gonna 2:00:22.280 --> 2:00:24.280 lie to you. Yeah, at one point, I was mad 2:00:24.360 --> 2:00:27.400 like a motherfucker, you know hip hop or at the 2:00:27.520 --> 2:00:29.640 people who did that to me. 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:33.240 I was mad for a long time hurt, you know, 2:00:34.000 --> 2:00:35.160 and and and that was. 2:00:35.200 --> 2:00:37.280 Part of the reason why I was addicted to drugs 2:00:37.320 --> 2:00:39.120 for so long, with cocaine for so long, because I 2:00:39.280 --> 2:00:42.080 was that was the thing that was pacifying that hurt. 2:00:43.040 --> 2:00:45.840 But you know, after years and years and years, I 2:00:45.920 --> 2:00:48.000 learned a let it go, bro. It ain't worth it. 2:00:48.760 --> 2:00:50.000 It worth it because at the end of the day, 2:00:50.000 --> 2:00:52.280 you're the one loses, not them. 2:00:52.720 --> 2:00:54.040 You know what I'm saying, What are you gonna do? 2:00:54.160 --> 2:00:55.720 You ain't They're not going to change there all day? 2:00:55.720 --> 2:00:56.040 Are they did? 2:00:56.080 --> 2:00:59.360 What did did you get? So move on? I listen. 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:01.280 I could be mad right now about a whole region ship, 2:01:01.360 --> 2:01:01.720 but I'm not. 2:01:02.600 --> 2:01:02.880 Right now. 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:05.880 I've got too many positive people around me right now, 2:01:05.920 --> 2:01:08.480 I've got too many great things are about to happen 2:01:08.560 --> 2:01:08.760 for me. 2:01:08.880 --> 2:01:12.640 Man, I gotta look forward. Let us you have to talk. 2:01:12.920 --> 2:01:15.920 I want to go back on legacy, and we haven't 2:01:16.000 --> 2:01:18.680 touched much on the Cold Crush. Give us the beginnings 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:21.120 of Cold Crush. How does this all evolve? How does 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:21.560 this happen? 2:01:21.600 --> 2:01:25.040 Because this is such a monumental group for everything hip hop. 2:01:25.720 --> 2:01:30.200 The Cold Crush was something that Tony Tone and I created. 2:01:30.480 --> 2:01:31.920 Now let's go back. 2:01:31.960 --> 2:01:33.400 As a matter of fact, I got my flyes, my 2:01:33.480 --> 2:01:34.960 show and Tael flies right, let's go. 2:01:35.160 --> 2:01:37.160 There were three versions, two or three versions of the 2:01:37.240 --> 2:01:41.480 Colcus before two other versions before the final version that 2:01:41.520 --> 2:01:42.720 you know now, the Cold Curse. 2:01:42.840 --> 2:01:45.240 Right, and you're one of the founding members of Yes 2:01:45.560 --> 2:01:48.160 to cret So Tony Tone. 2:01:48.440 --> 2:01:51.760 I had met Tony Tone because one of the MC's 2:01:51.800 --> 2:01:54.080 which was RC and my crew, went to South Bronx 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:57.720 High School. Tony went to South Bronx High School. RC 2:01:57.960 --> 2:02:00.400 told him about me, Yo, this DJA is nice, this 2:02:00.480 --> 2:02:02.600 Puerto Rican is nice. Under one and two, Tony was 2:02:02.640 --> 2:02:06.760 looking to create a crew. Tony was with Breakout, so 2:02:06.960 --> 2:02:10.240 he met He told him. He told ill, Yo, tell 2:02:10.320 --> 2:02:12.640 him I want to meet him. He says sure, I said, 2:02:12.720 --> 2:02:16.920 She'll bring him by. I met Tony Tone. We became friends. 2:02:17.000 --> 2:02:18.800 He got down with my crew for a little bit. 2:02:18.800 --> 2:02:21.160 I mean I got flyers where he was djaying, he 2:02:21.360 --> 2:02:23.080 was he was hanging out with us. So I always 2:02:23.120 --> 2:02:24.840 considered he got down with me because we were we 2:02:24.960 --> 2:02:28.160 were close. Listen, Tony Tone is the godfather my daughter. 2:02:28.640 --> 2:02:30.920 He was my best man at my first wedding. You 2:02:31.000 --> 2:02:33.879 know what I was saying, that's that's my brother, you understand. 2:02:34.160 --> 2:02:36.680 Me and Tony Tone got Mad Roots and Mad Love 2:02:36.760 --> 2:02:40.160 together from the beginning. So Tony Tone had this vision 2:02:40.200 --> 2:02:43.120 to create a crew. He came on with me and 2:02:43.920 --> 2:02:46.160 we were trying to work things out, you know, because 2:02:46.200 --> 2:02:48.080 he had ideas. I had this, but I already had 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:50.480 a crew with MC's right, So the crew that I 2:02:50.560 --> 2:02:54.080 had at the time, with the MC's fly I'm showing. 2:02:53.880 --> 2:02:56.880 You this accomplished camera or whatever he wanted. 2:02:57.880 --> 2:03:00.640 Okay, this was uh to show you. 2:03:01.320 --> 2:03:03.240 If you see the top of the flyer, right, it 2:03:03.320 --> 2:03:06.800 says Disco Tech Productions. That was the company that we had. Me, 2:03:07.000 --> 2:03:08.960 Tom and Jerry had that company. 2:03:08.720 --> 2:03:13.760 Disco Tech Productions, Disco Tech Productions and Kevin Epps Presents DJ, 2:03:14.000 --> 2:03:17.919 Charlie Chase, DJ, Tony Tone DJ. Look at the MC's 2:03:18.440 --> 2:03:29.720 read them Mighty Mike h MCS almost read cat Dota 2:03:29.840 --> 2:03:36.320 rockn Rock, MC t e z A d Whipper wher 2:03:36.600 --> 2:03:40.600 whipper Whip. I feel like that's your cousin. Also the 2:03:41.040 --> 2:03:45.640 brothers DJ's mean Green, Mean Gene, mean. 2:03:45.560 --> 2:03:48.160 G They that Theodore's brother. 2:03:49.920 --> 2:03:57.000 Cordial Cordial Grand Master Wizard, Theodore, Robbie, Rob Kevy, cav 2:03:57.360 --> 2:04:00.680 Busy be Star skiing at right. 2:04:00.920 --> 2:04:03.680 Now, what I wanted you to realize was that the 2:04:03.840 --> 2:04:06.440 mcs that were down with me was Dot a Rock 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:10.160 and whipper Whip. They were Fantastic five. They were with me. 2:04:10.360 --> 2:04:11.720 They were kazz As mcs. 2:04:11.760 --> 2:04:14.960 They got a lot of a lot of MC's left 2:04:15.040 --> 2:04:17.480 cas and this then somehow got hooked up with me, 2:04:17.840 --> 2:04:21.080 so that we came with me. Now this was pree 2:04:21.160 --> 2:04:25.800 col curse, right. So then we decided that we were 2:04:26.160 --> 2:04:26.920 Tony Tony and I. 2:04:27.400 --> 2:04:29.040 Tony tone was the one who came up with the 2:04:29.120 --> 2:04:30.000 name the Cold Crush. 2:04:30.680 --> 2:04:32.560 And I remember when he walked to me and he 2:04:32.680 --> 2:04:35.280 said we were I was at this Pinjoint Pinball Spot 2:04:35.400 --> 2:04:38.600 grocery for Miles. It was a winter and he says, 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:40.800 we would looking to create a cool he says, yo. 2:04:41.680 --> 2:04:43.720 He says, I got the name of the crew. That 2:04:43.840 --> 2:04:45.880 I got the name that I want to name the crew. 2:04:46.720 --> 2:04:49.440 And there was a flyer with red lettering that says 2:04:49.520 --> 2:04:53.800 this is another Cold Crush product. That was the advertisement 2:04:53.840 --> 2:04:57.200 on the flyer. Right advertising, So a show. It was 2:04:57.240 --> 2:04:59.720 a show another by some other people I didn't know 2:04:59.720 --> 2:05:02.000 at this They said another Cold Crushed product. 2:05:02.000 --> 2:05:04.600 He says, I want to call it the Cold Crush Crew. 2:05:05.320 --> 2:05:10.160 You just no. It was all they were expressing. It 2:05:10.280 --> 2:05:12.640 was a cold Crush product. They were Cold Cursse Crew. 2:05:13.640 --> 2:05:16.760 So I said, I liked that name. I said, what 2:05:17.840 --> 2:05:20.720 if we formed this group, We're going to be like family. 2:05:21.320 --> 2:05:23.480 So we're going to call it the Cold Crush Brothers. 2:05:24.000 --> 2:05:25.880 And he said, I like that. 2:05:26.480 --> 2:05:27.360 We're rolling with that. 2:05:27.880 --> 2:05:32.320 So then at the time you'll see here, you'll see 2:05:33.840 --> 2:05:35.760 where did you say cold Crush? Here it says col 2:05:35.840 --> 2:05:39.480 Qush somewhere. You got your notes right down at very top. 2:05:39.880 --> 2:05:42.879 I'm Donald Rock Aware, Cold. 2:05:42.720 --> 2:05:48.040 Crush Brothers, Cold Crush Brothers, Charlie Chase, Tony Tonge, Mikey 2:05:48.120 --> 2:05:56.720 Bike November thirtieth, Cold Crush four MC's right, T boone. 2:05:56.600 --> 2:06:01.320 T bone right, Donald Rock right, easy a D right 2:06:02.160 --> 2:06:06.360 and whip whipp whip whip Wi right to break out 2:06:07.160 --> 2:06:08.320 and the DJ breakout. 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:12.080 He was coming that night, right. So that was the 2:06:12.240 --> 2:06:14.760 first version of the Coal Chust Brothers right there, right 2:06:15.080 --> 2:06:16.440 before that, this was me. 2:06:16.480 --> 2:06:16.880 And the crew. 2:06:17.080 --> 2:06:21.320 This is before the cold This is just me before 2:06:21.400 --> 2:06:23.160 Tony copies copies. 2:06:26.800 --> 2:06:28.440 I got goosebumps this whole time. 2:06:28.560 --> 2:06:30.560 This is me before Tony Throne came into the picture. 2:06:30.720 --> 2:06:32.760 Just me and and these m cs that I have 2:06:32.840 --> 2:06:35.680 for now. If you know Cisco, Cisco was in the 2:06:35.720 --> 2:06:37.560 movie Beach Street. He was the m C that was 2:06:38.280 --> 2:06:41.880 that was rhyming when the female DJ was cutting Wanda 2:06:41.960 --> 2:06:45.440 d That was Cisco who lived in the projects right 2:06:45.520 --> 2:06:46.400 across the street from me. 2:06:46.920 --> 2:06:48.520 And he was my first MC. And he was the 2:06:48.600 --> 2:06:50.560 one who put these fliers together. He was a flyer maker. 2:06:51.200 --> 2:06:53.480 He was an artist. He went to art and design 2:06:53.560 --> 2:06:55.320 and he was a supreme artist. 2:06:55.240 --> 2:06:58.360 Art design and man. Okay, but by the way, I'm 2:06:58.400 --> 2:07:00.440 so sorry I kept handing him back the flyers. I 2:07:00.560 --> 2:07:02.280 knew you wanted to look at the fly now, I 2:07:02.360 --> 2:07:05.480 apologize that should have passed. I'm sorry that that was 2:07:05.600 --> 2:07:08.560 not that was not good the fans. 2:07:12.960 --> 2:07:15.880 Here, I'm gonna say this has been said before, but 2:07:15.960 --> 2:07:20.800 this is it's true. Right, So we the reason the 2:07:20.840 --> 2:07:23.680 cold Course came to be was because I was always 2:07:23.720 --> 2:07:27.480 belliating about the mcson what they weren't as good as 2:07:27.560 --> 2:07:30.560 I wanted them to be. And Tony tom my brother, 2:07:30.840 --> 2:07:33.640 was like, all right, so let's have an audition. And 2:07:33.720 --> 2:07:35.880 I'm like, great, let's have an audition. We had an audition. 2:07:35.960 --> 2:07:40.000 That's South balk High School. Now mind you, for years 2:07:40.040 --> 2:07:41.680 I was trying to get cast and come on board, 2:07:42.480 --> 2:07:44.240 you know, and he was like, nah, I got a crew. 2:07:44.280 --> 2:07:46.560 I'm doing this and doing that and doing this. So 2:07:46.800 --> 2:07:48.880 when we were having the auditions, I'm like, I gotta 2:07:48.920 --> 2:07:52.440 get cast on this crew, right, So I said cash 2:07:54.800 --> 2:07:56.520 Tony Tone was the one that called him to come 2:07:56.600 --> 2:07:59.400 down to the audition, to come down, and I said, 2:07:59.400 --> 2:08:02.600 tell him that I need help picking out the mcs 2:08:02.640 --> 2:08:05.640 for my crew, and he's the expert. What I really 2:08:05.720 --> 2:08:09.040 wanted to do was so real, I mean right, So 2:08:09.760 --> 2:08:12.680 we went down. I picked A d was already down 2:08:12.760 --> 2:08:16.120 because he was Tony's friend. KG was the one that 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:19.320 we picked from the from the audition because you know, 2:08:19.400 --> 2:08:20.680 KG had that booming voice. 2:08:21.680 --> 2:08:25.720 Kaz and jd O show up right. We picked Ideo. 2:08:25.760 --> 2:08:27.280 We could we KG. 2:08:27.480 --> 2:08:29.920 We couldn't really find anybody else, so we had that. 2:08:30.480 --> 2:08:33.040 So I said, Cass, now this is me and my scheming. 2:08:33.160 --> 2:08:35.600 I said, Cass, do me a favor. Let's test out 2:08:35.640 --> 2:08:38.000 the MC's going down the mic. We got four mics 2:08:38.480 --> 2:08:40.760 someone high school. Let's test out the vibe to see 2:08:40.760 --> 2:08:43.440 how these guy can hang way they get up there, 2:08:43.480 --> 2:08:46.440 and I'm like, in the fact, my fiendish plot is working. 2:08:46.600 --> 2:08:49.240 You know, they go in the MC and they and 2:08:49.280 --> 2:08:52.640 they and they're gelling. They're sounding really great. Cast comes 2:08:52.720 --> 2:08:54.920 back right, So I said, so, Cass, what do you 2:08:54.960 --> 2:08:56.720 think like that? I said, listen, man, that's when I 2:08:57.240 --> 2:08:58.320 I put him into a corner. 2:08:59.080 --> 2:09:01.480 You say, you won't remember this, but all my children, 2:09:01.560 --> 2:09:03.000 I will swear this sack of bibles. 2:09:03.040 --> 2:09:07.360 The conversation went this way. I said, I'm Cast. I'm like, 2:09:07.440 --> 2:09:09.520 you know, I've been wanting you to get down for 2:09:09.760 --> 2:09:12.520 years now. I'm like, you see what I got. I said, 2:09:12.720 --> 2:09:15.800 I'm telling you I have a vision I am going 2:09:15.880 --> 2:09:19.800 to make. Why know that if you get down, we 2:09:19.920 --> 2:09:22.760 are going to be the biggest ship to ever hit. 2:09:23.040 --> 2:09:24.720 What we're doing right now, we are going to eat 2:09:24.760 --> 2:09:27.520 bigger than anything. I said, all you have to do 2:09:27.680 --> 2:09:30.920 is agreed to trust me. And he thought about that 2:09:31.040 --> 2:09:35.200 shit right. He thought about it, and he said, I'll 2:09:35.280 --> 2:09:37.040 do it, but JDL gotta be down. I said no. 2:09:37.600 --> 2:09:39.120 I said, I don't want JDL don. 2:09:39.040 --> 2:09:42.600 Because JDL had a red reputation. He's trouble. I don't 2:09:42.600 --> 2:09:44.680 want to me. He said, Well, if JD l ain't down, 2:09:45.040 --> 2:09:47.560 he goes a loyalty JD l ain't down. Then I 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:51.400 ain't down, and I was like cast of that to me. 2:09:52.720 --> 2:09:56.080 So I said like, fuck it, man, you know I 2:09:56.160 --> 2:09:57.840 want you this bad. Let's do this. 2:09:58.640 --> 2:09:59.840 Cole Christ is born that day. 2:10:00.040 --> 2:10:10.280 Wow. That was now now now a smoke now, So 2:10:10.560 --> 2:10:14.720 now the fun The part was that I had the 2:10:15.280 --> 2:10:18.760 original crew, but I didn't know how to tell the 2:10:18.840 --> 2:10:20.800 old crew that they were hired. 2:10:21.840 --> 2:10:24.280 So now I have two crews and I'm trying to 2:10:24.320 --> 2:10:27.160 figure this out, me and Tony. Like Tony's like, Tony 2:10:27.240 --> 2:10:29.360 lifted on me. You gotta tell him, this is what 2:10:29.520 --> 2:10:29.920 you wanted. 2:10:30.000 --> 2:10:30.760 You gotta tell him. 2:10:30.800 --> 2:10:31.640 I'm like, damn whatever. 2:10:31.760 --> 2:10:35.760 Fuck. Luckily got a rock and whip a whip had 2:10:35.800 --> 2:10:39.080 decided to leave the crew because they went with Fantastic five, 2:10:39.760 --> 2:10:42.640 which was cool. And then I had to finally tell 2:10:42.720 --> 2:10:46.840 Teddy and t Bowe, Yo, you know, sorry guys, but 2:10:47.320 --> 2:10:49.240 I'm forming a new crew and this this and that, 2:10:49.400 --> 2:10:51.760 and you know they they handled it well, they under 2:10:51.920 --> 2:10:54.760 like man, you know, And that was it, and that 2:10:54.920 --> 2:10:57.440 was when the Cold Quest was born and the rest 2:10:57.560 --> 2:11:03.840 is history. Man. But let me tell you, I give 2:11:03.880 --> 2:11:07.160 credits to my brother Tony Tone because Tony Tone, he 2:11:07.240 --> 2:11:08.960 saw the talent that I had. He saw what I 2:11:09.000 --> 2:11:11.520 could do, and he was like, you need a push, 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:13.360 and he gave me the push I needed. He introduced 2:11:13.400 --> 2:11:15.640 me to everybody, you know, and that's how I got 2:11:15.680 --> 2:11:17.200 accepted from the from the rest. 2:11:17.040 --> 2:11:17.640 Of the community. 2:11:18.320 --> 2:11:21.200 You know, I already knew we were. I was already 2:11:21.320 --> 2:11:23.960 as far as our concern, I was in the culture already, 2:11:24.040 --> 2:11:25.520 all because I was doing what I was doing. 2:11:25.760 --> 2:11:28.000 I had fans and all that. And what year was this? 2:11:28.120 --> 2:11:30.280 That this all when you guys finally formed the crew 2:11:30.600 --> 2:11:33.440 seventy nine I think it was nine, and then this 2:11:34.000 --> 2:11:35.080 you guys were in this one? 2:11:35.480 --> 2:11:38.840 What you whilst I was I think was eighty one 2:11:38.960 --> 2:11:43.160 or eighty three. I'm brew yeah, yeah. How do you 2:11:43.240 --> 2:11:44.240 think we got into the movie? 2:11:44.680 --> 2:11:45.440 We were Well. 2:11:46.280 --> 2:11:48.600 The funny thing was was that we weren't supposed to 2:11:48.640 --> 2:11:51.080 be in the on tour and in the movie. No, 2:11:51.200 --> 2:11:52.360 we were supposed to be in the movie, but the 2:11:52.400 --> 2:11:54.400 people who were originally supposed to go on a tour 2:11:54.520 --> 2:11:57.600 with the Fantastic Five in theoore, but they had a 2:11:57.680 --> 2:12:00.440 falling out and then they brought us up and the 2:12:00.560 --> 2:12:00.920 rest is. 2:12:01.000 --> 2:12:03.840 History, and and and so tell us a little bit 2:12:03.920 --> 2:12:08.400 behind the scenes of this as far as uh like 2:12:08.720 --> 2:12:11.440 just like them step into you and then actually filming 2:12:11.840 --> 2:12:12.480 that scene. 2:12:12.280 --> 2:12:13.760 With right right. 2:12:13.800 --> 2:12:15.560 The funny thing was like, we're gonna go film a 2:12:15.640 --> 2:12:17.680 movie about hip hop and stuff like that. In my mind, 2:12:18.560 --> 2:12:21.680 I'm the music the musician kicked in. I'm showing up 2:12:21.720 --> 2:12:26.200 to the shooting in a suit and the ship and like, 2:12:26.240 --> 2:12:26.920 what the fuck you doing? 2:12:26.960 --> 2:12:29.160 So if you look in the on the scene where 2:12:29.200 --> 2:12:30.800 I'm in the Dixie cut when the group, you see 2:12:30.840 --> 2:12:33.560 that I have a shirt on with some slacks and stuff. 2:12:33.880 --> 2:12:35.960 You do that because I was stupid. 2:12:36.040 --> 2:12:37.760 I didn't freaking it together. 2:12:37.880 --> 2:12:39.920 I'm like, oh, there's a movie. I gotta show up 2:12:39.960 --> 2:12:40.640 and look fine. 2:12:40.800 --> 2:12:44.520 And dude, I was rude to all this. I didn't know. 2:12:44.840 --> 2:12:47.840 I was like, right, I'm keeping it real. I didn't 2:12:47.840 --> 2:12:49.080 know what the hell I was doing, you know. 2:12:49.520 --> 2:12:50.800 So if you see in the movie, I got a 2:12:50.920 --> 2:12:53.240 shirt on, I got slacks and stuff, and you know, 2:12:53.600 --> 2:12:55.200 had to kind of make it hip hop. They threw 2:12:55.280 --> 2:12:58.040 these these these studs on my wrists I was cutting 2:12:58.440 --> 2:13:01.080 and you'll see it in the movie. Yeah, the movie 2:13:01.200 --> 2:13:04.080 was shot. It was it was a low, low budget movie. 2:13:04.480 --> 2:13:06.840 We did ship off the cuff. We this ship off 2:13:06.920 --> 2:13:10.160 the cuff right there, that basketball scene. But you're spitting too, Yeah, 2:13:10.480 --> 2:13:13.520 the basketball scene. We were We wrote all that ship 2:13:13.600 --> 2:13:15.320 on the spot. I didn't even have a lot of Cass, 2:13:15.360 --> 2:13:16.840 I need help. I don't know what to say. Kaz 2:13:16.880 --> 2:13:17.640 wrote that line. 2:13:17.440 --> 2:13:19.200 For me, But were you doing that regularly? 2:13:19.240 --> 2:13:19.600 Spitting? 2:13:20.240 --> 2:13:21.280 No? I could. 2:13:21.360 --> 2:13:23.640 I knew I could rhyme, but I never read it. 2:13:23.880 --> 2:13:24.880 It was just for the movie. 2:13:25.120 --> 2:13:27.040 That was just for the movie. If you listen to 2:13:27.120 --> 2:13:29.800 Heartbreakers another record, I'm rhyming on that with Tony toone, 2:13:30.360 --> 2:13:32.280 you know. So, I mean if I if I ever 2:13:32.360 --> 2:13:34.160 real if I really wanted to push it, I could 2:13:34.200 --> 2:13:36.240 have pushed it in Charney and probably become an MC. 2:13:36.400 --> 2:13:39.040 But I felt out of play man. 2:13:39.280 --> 2:13:41.160 When you're around Graham as the cas, you feel this 2:13:41.280 --> 2:13:42.840 big when you're trying to do what he does, you 2:13:42.880 --> 2:13:43.040 know what. 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:46.200 I'm saying, And rightfully so. So I was happy with 2:13:46.320 --> 2:13:46.920 what I was doing. This. 2:13:49.400 --> 2:13:53.400 The the motivating, the mode of the engine, the power 2:13:53.480 --> 2:13:56.600 behind a cold course was me and Cass, you know 2:13:56.640 --> 2:14:00.600 what I'm saying, as a genius as g and me 2:14:00.720 --> 2:14:03.440 on the past and me on the turntables, and I 2:14:03.520 --> 2:14:06.480 was also the producer and making we we had had 2:14:06.520 --> 2:14:08.320 the musical background. Cas was a natural. 2:14:08.400 --> 2:14:10.960 He just had natural showmanship in him. 2:14:11.200 --> 2:14:12.200 And that's that. Bro. 2:14:13.080 --> 2:14:14.920 How did you feel when you heard the hip hop 2:14:16.440 --> 2:14:18.400 finally got accepted in the Olympics. 2:14:20.120 --> 2:14:22.960 I was, see, you gotta really think? I was like, Yo, 2:14:23.120 --> 2:14:26.480 that's dope, it's dope. But then I also knew it 2:14:26.560 --> 2:14:28.240 was like it ain't gonna be what people think it's 2:14:28.280 --> 2:14:30.680 gonna be. And you'll see what I'm saying. Hip hop 2:14:31.800 --> 2:14:36.600 breakdancing is now a form of competition and the but 2:14:36.720 --> 2:14:39.280 it's gonna be stiff and rigid. In other words, it's 2:14:39.320 --> 2:14:41.120 not going to be a DJ cut with guys them 2:14:41.160 --> 2:14:44.360 seeing no. Like like gymnastics, you have to meet a 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:48.720 certain uh qualification. You have to qualification, you have to 2:14:48.800 --> 2:14:51.280 benchmarks that you have to hear. So they're gonna, okay 2:14:51.560 --> 2:14:53.680 require now coming up as a backspin. 2:14:53.560 --> 2:14:55.880 You know, like it's gonna be that's what you're going 2:14:55.960 --> 2:14:57.720 to hear, triple. 2:14:57.440 --> 2:15:00.879 Backspin, Okay, you know definitely Looking. 2:15:00.840 --> 2:15:02.520 Now, he's going to turtle walk and he's going to 2:15:02.600 --> 2:15:02.880 go you. 2:15:02.880 --> 2:15:04.800 Know, it's like that's what's going to happen, and people 2:15:04.800 --> 2:15:07.480 are expecting to see this whole I'm telling you that's 2:15:07.520 --> 2:15:09.040 what it's going to be, because that's what the Olympics. 2:15:09.320 --> 2:15:11.960 But baby steps, Hey, we got in. You gotta be 2:15:12.080 --> 2:15:14.280 happy about it, you know. So I tell people look 2:15:14.280 --> 2:15:16.000 at your expectations too, because it's not going to be 2:15:16.080 --> 2:15:19.120 what it is. But my expectation is way hot, right, 2:15:19.400 --> 2:15:21.880 and minus too because I know what the future. 2:15:21.600 --> 2:15:23.760 Whole Crazy Legs came here the next week, there's like 2:15:23.800 --> 2:15:25.560 crazy Legs not a part of it no more. 2:15:25.640 --> 2:15:29.600 Right, Well, because the people in France all run the. 2:15:29.600 --> 2:15:33.720 One running and they're worried crazy well. 2:15:33.600 --> 2:15:35.360 He said, they're worried. 2:15:35.080 --> 2:15:38.640 About that the people that are going to be be 2:15:38.720 --> 2:15:41.480 able to participate, or the athletes that are going to 2:15:41.480 --> 2:15:44.000 be able to participate, are going to be parents that 2:15:44.080 --> 2:15:45.360 can afford to send their kids. 2:15:45.440 --> 2:15:48.000 Now this is a rich thing, you know. 2:15:48.280 --> 2:15:51.880 Just think about it though, Like the athletes that become Olympians, 2:15:51.960 --> 2:15:55.720 for the most part, are people that either have the 2:15:55.880 --> 2:15:59.040 finances to send their kids to train the way they trade. 2:15:59.120 --> 2:16:00.880 I didn't know that, and he's That's what I think 2:16:00.920 --> 2:16:04.280 crazy Legs is worried about for for the breakdancing community 2:16:04.560 --> 2:16:06.839 that's gonna it's gonna take it away from its origid 2:16:07.120 --> 2:16:09.960 origins and then people are just gonna like, you know, 2:16:10.120 --> 2:16:12.800 parents will be like, oh, this is an Olympic sport, Okay, 2:16:12.880 --> 2:16:16.280 I'll put Jimmy into you know, Olympic breaks. 2:16:16.680 --> 2:16:19.360 Sponsors because you have sponsors and stuff like that. So yeah, 2:16:19.560 --> 2:16:21.400 he's right. He has every right to feel it because 2:16:21.400 --> 2:16:23.320 that's what it's gonna be, because it's like that with 2:16:23.440 --> 2:16:26.680 every other sports. Gymnastics, ice, skating, all that stuff, they 2:16:26.760 --> 2:16:28.959 all fall under. They all have to meet those parameters. 2:16:28.960 --> 2:16:30.920 You gotta have a sponsor, you gotta have training, you 2:16:30.960 --> 2:16:32.960 gotta be accepted into a team, you know. 2:16:33.240 --> 2:16:38.680 And yeah, yeah, let me ask you, do you like 2:16:38.800 --> 2:16:39.600 hip hop awards? 2:16:42.000 --> 2:16:43.240 I like hip hop awards with you. 2:16:44.840 --> 2:16:45.240 Be honest? 2:16:45.360 --> 2:16:46.120 Is there a real hip hop? 2:16:46.160 --> 2:16:48.040 I'm gonna be honest when they're real? I like him? 2:16:48.120 --> 2:16:48.720 What's the real one? 2:16:48.760 --> 2:16:49.560 The way you just. 2:16:52.840 --> 2:16:53.880 Well, because think about it. 2:16:54.040 --> 2:16:56.800 Right now, they're awarding people for record sales and and 2:16:57.360 --> 2:16:59.080 like a lot of times people are getting awarded for 2:16:59.160 --> 2:17:02.640 record sales, like the Grammys. I have no I'm not 2:17:02.879 --> 2:17:06.240 dissing the Grammys, but sometimes it's like, why did this 2:17:06.320 --> 2:17:09.080 guy get a Grammy over this guy when this guy 2:17:09.160 --> 2:17:11.960 got way better skill than he's done. His album was 2:17:12.080 --> 2:17:14.360 more than this, this and that. So to me, it's 2:17:14.440 --> 2:17:18.560 more based on sales and and and and stuff like that. Yeah, 2:17:18.640 --> 2:17:21.880 it's a little frustrating when you see like and also 2:17:22.600 --> 2:17:24.960 you know, we had a fight for our respective Remember 2:17:25.000 --> 2:17:27.840 when Jazzy Jeffer and Fresh Prince got there, they. 2:17:27.760 --> 2:17:29.840 Didn't even get they weren't even at on TV. 2:17:29.920 --> 2:17:32.160 It was kind of booed right when there. That's why 2:17:32.200 --> 2:17:36.320 it was boycotted. Boycotted because they wasn't considered Jazzy jeffin 2:17:36.320 --> 2:17:38.920 first Prince at that time wasn't even considered real hip hop, 2:17:39.160 --> 2:17:41.199 right because the people that did because he was commercial 2:17:41.240 --> 2:17:42.920 and again remember was speaking about it. 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:47.600 It was us judging us right, right, But they boycotted 2:17:47.600 --> 2:17:50.560 it on behalf of they are they were real hip hop. 2:17:50.480 --> 2:17:54.640 And then boycotted it after afterwards. Right And by the way, 2:17:54.760 --> 2:17:57.440 I boycotted with them, and I wasn't even nominated. I 2:17:57.480 --> 2:18:00.840 think you weren't even born about with Jay No no, 2:18:00.920 --> 2:18:05.280 because there was a real thing, Dame j j No, No, 2:18:05.440 --> 2:18:06.960 that was a real thing. They was like, we're not 2:18:07.120 --> 2:18:11.280 going and I didn't go. But I don't know. 2:18:11.800 --> 2:18:13.840 Listen, man, somebody had a break down ceiling. 2:18:15.959 --> 2:18:18.120 Do you think it should be a Hip Hop Awards, 2:18:18.240 --> 2:18:21.400 and if there is one, would you be the person 2:18:21.879 --> 2:18:22.560 to lend that. 2:18:23.959 --> 2:18:26.080 I would love to if they would ask me for that, 2:18:26.280 --> 2:18:30.879 no doubt. I'm gonna be honest with you. I feel 2:18:30.920 --> 2:18:40.120 that the co Cours Brothers belongs in the I mean, listen, 2:18:40.240 --> 2:18:43.440 every successful MC that I've met, platinum selling or whatever, 2:18:43.520 --> 2:18:47.400 they always say, you guys are the reason I'm doing 2:18:47.480 --> 2:18:51.120 what I'm doing because we followed you have followed you, 2:18:51.800 --> 2:18:55.119 you know, And to hear that and then it's it's 2:18:55.440 --> 2:18:56.360 it makes me feel good. 2:18:56.440 --> 2:18:59.800 But it's like I think they would look, we don't 2:18:59.840 --> 2:19:00.240 get me. 2:19:00.280 --> 2:19:04.400 Hope that wouldn't hurt got accepted, okay to Rock and 2:19:04.480 --> 2:19:06.840 Roll Hall of Fair Yes, and now I'm like, okay, 2:19:07.000 --> 2:19:09.440 we have a chance. I'm not in the crew anymore, 2:19:09.680 --> 2:19:12.840 but I earned my spot in that because I wish 2:19:17.440 --> 2:19:18.960 those are my brothers alone to death. 2:19:19.360 --> 2:19:22.800 And you consider yourself not being cold crush anymore. 2:19:23.640 --> 2:19:24.440 In my heart, I am. 2:19:25.280 --> 2:19:25.480 I'm not. 2:19:25.560 --> 2:19:27.720 I'm not part of the show. I quit the crew, 2:19:27.959 --> 2:19:29.240 but you started the crew. 2:19:30.160 --> 2:19:32.320 So I feel that I deserve any accolades like the 2:19:32.440 --> 2:19:34.960 Rock and Roll ho fing because I helped put that 2:19:35.440 --> 2:19:36.199 our goog. 2:19:37.520 --> 2:19:39.160 I didn't leave because I was mad. 2:19:39.680 --> 2:19:40.120 I left. 2:19:41.320 --> 2:19:44.400 I didn't leave because I was watching you. I left 2:19:44.440 --> 2:19:47.800 because I felt the group was being stagnant. They were 2:19:47.840 --> 2:19:50.280 too complacent. They were happy with what we did when 2:19:50.320 --> 2:19:52.440 I knew we could have done much better, much more, 2:19:52.760 --> 2:19:55.160 and I decided I can't do this with Joe, so 2:19:55.240 --> 2:19:55.840 I gotta go out. 2:19:55.879 --> 2:19:58.040 And yeah, any accolades Cold Crush get you have to 2:19:58.080 --> 2:20:00.920 be a part of it, just like how when NWA 2:20:01.160 --> 2:20:03.440 and Ice Cube reached out to DC to be a 2:20:03.520 --> 2:20:06.040 part of it when they got inducted. They were like, yo, 2:20:06.280 --> 2:20:08.560 people don't don't consider don't think of you as n 2:20:08.640 --> 2:20:10.240 w A, but you are NWAS. 2:20:10.480 --> 2:20:12.840 You're coming through and you are a founding member. 2:20:13.080 --> 2:20:15.520 And I'm always feel part of the Cold Course regardless 2:20:15.560 --> 2:20:18.640 of what I you know, regardless of what I still 2:20:18.680 --> 2:20:20.840 support them. I still big them up into this day. 2:20:21.160 --> 2:20:23.240 I do major shows and I always give them a 2:20:23.400 --> 2:20:25.160 shout out. I always give them the credit, you know. 2:20:25.720 --> 2:20:29.359 But listen, we went together forty somebody is that's a marriage. 2:20:29.840 --> 2:20:33.600 You can't even say them, it's you, right, it's them, 2:20:33.640 --> 2:20:37.560 because I have to. It's not anybody, one person that 2:20:38.040 --> 2:20:39.640 can take credit for what the col Course did. 2:20:39.680 --> 2:20:42.000 It was all a collective. You understand, we did. 2:20:42.000 --> 2:20:43.600 You know what I'm saying, Yeah, you as in you 2:20:43.720 --> 2:20:45.920 are part of that. I don't mean you solo you. 2:20:46.360 --> 2:20:48.800 You can't keep saying them excluding yourself, is. 2:20:48.800 --> 2:20:49.120 What I mean. 2:20:49.200 --> 2:20:51.120 Well, when I say them in the sense that you know, 2:20:51.240 --> 2:20:53.920 now they're doing their thing and I'm doing mine. That's 2:20:53.920 --> 2:20:56.720 why what I mean, not that in that sense, you know. 2:20:57.040 --> 2:20:59.040 And I'm always big them up and I'm always be 2:20:59.120 --> 2:21:02.240 happy for them there, but I am not. I can't 2:21:02.320 --> 2:21:03.760 be a part of I'm not just I'm not a 2:21:03.800 --> 2:21:06.120 part of the group. Then I have to unless they 2:21:06.200 --> 2:21:09.200 want to decide to start changing things a little bit more, 2:21:09.280 --> 2:21:10.959 and we just kind of have to sort out things 2:21:11.000 --> 2:21:12.280 between us two, you know. 2:21:12.640 --> 2:21:14.880 Then then I would I would consider it. 2:21:15.240 --> 2:21:16.959 But we have to start. 2:21:17.120 --> 2:21:18.600 We have to start taking a step forward. 2:21:18.879 --> 2:21:19.240 I can't. 2:21:19.320 --> 2:21:21.120 I can't live in the past anymore. I got to 2:21:21.200 --> 2:21:22.600 move forward. There's so much more. 2:21:23.840 --> 2:21:24.200 You know that. 2:21:26.000 --> 2:21:28.640 I met him in Puerto Rico. I think it was 2:21:29.200 --> 2:21:30.600 for the rock Steady anniversary. 2:21:31.640 --> 2:21:32.560 He was running out. 2:21:33.000 --> 2:21:33.879 He was running out. 2:21:34.200 --> 2:21:36.760 Somebody told him I was at He stopped, walked over 2:21:36.800 --> 2:21:38.520 to me and gave me, saidyo, pleasure meeting you and 2:21:38.600 --> 2:21:40.279 he read, yeah. 2:21:43.120 --> 2:21:43.920 It wasn't that way. 2:21:44.000 --> 2:21:46.160 Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. 2:21:46.040 --> 2:21:52.240 Yeah, Jesus man, I'm so honest that you came and 2:21:52.360 --> 2:21:56.440 sat down with us, man, so honored to give you 2:21:56.560 --> 2:21:58.920 your flower, so honored to tell you how much you 2:21:59.080 --> 2:22:01.720 mean and and everything that I said it in the beginning. 2:22:02.240 --> 2:22:08.640 You know about you know, you being like drink camps father, 2:22:09.240 --> 2:22:13.600 it's the truth, because yeah, I'm giving it to you. 2:22:14.959 --> 2:22:15.080 Man. 2:22:17.000 --> 2:22:18.840 It's no child, goddamnit. 2:22:18.959 --> 2:22:19.200 But no. 2:22:19.879 --> 2:22:23.200 But in old seriousness, like I want you to really 2:22:23.320 --> 2:22:29.280 know how much you are adored in hip hop. I 2:22:29.400 --> 2:22:34.400 want you to understand that this is your platform. You 2:22:34.440 --> 2:22:37.080 will come here promote Pink Toenails if we want to. 2:22:38.440 --> 2:22:41.520 It doesn't matter. You can by the way, monster let's 2:22:41.560 --> 2:22:44.560 pick up to Monster Energy. But if you know, whatever 2:22:44.720 --> 2:22:46.800 the fuck you want to promote, you want to come here, 2:22:47.760 --> 2:22:52.520 this is your house. We really appreciate what you did. 2:22:52.800 --> 2:22:58.920 Because now he's super DJ guy, I'm super Puerto Rican 2:23:01.440 --> 2:23:06.360 and like it ends there, right, But I was so 2:23:06.600 --> 2:23:08.840 excited today, Like I mean, I'll be honest, we was. 2:23:09.560 --> 2:23:12.000 We've built red you for a while, like just to 2:23:12.080 --> 2:23:14.320 chomp it up, you know, like both know me and 2:23:14.520 --> 2:23:19.880 him both been excited as fuck, because that's what we 2:23:19.959 --> 2:23:23.480 started this show for, is to make sure that people 2:23:23.520 --> 2:23:25.200 that have been in this game ten years are more 2:23:25.600 --> 2:23:28.720 do not get forgot. I appreciate that, and that's the 2:23:28.920 --> 2:23:32.920 only This is the only genre in the world that 2:23:33.120 --> 2:23:39.800 if if you have ten years or more, they say 2:23:39.879 --> 2:23:44.000 you washed up, tell me tell there's nothing there's not 2:23:44.720 --> 2:23:46.400 in rock and roll. They don't. They don't have a 2:23:46.440 --> 2:23:47.320 word washed up. 2:23:47.680 --> 2:23:58.200 Nostage years old, this nigga is still eating blood. 2:24:00.320 --> 2:24:02.520 It's like, and he's live. 2:24:02.800 --> 2:24:05.080 Where did he get that vegan blood blood? 2:24:05.200 --> 2:24:09.160 Vegan blood? I know, I ain't know, But why in 2:24:09.360 --> 2:24:13.000 our culture do we even allow this conversation to even 2:24:13.560 --> 2:24:16.800 participate to even happen. 2:24:16.920 --> 2:24:19.240 Because we have to continue to raise up these heroes 2:24:19.680 --> 2:24:21.840 and make sure that we give them the accolades they 2:24:21.920 --> 2:24:25.640 deserve and that the youth grows up looking at them 2:24:25.680 --> 2:24:27.160 the way the heroes that they are. 2:24:27.200 --> 2:24:27.760 You know what I'm saying. 2:24:28.080 --> 2:24:31.400 One of my one of my favorite jay Z albums 2:24:31.520 --> 2:24:34.320 right now is four four four and he made it 2:24:34.440 --> 2:24:37.480 at forty what. I don't even know what age this 2:24:37.560 --> 2:24:43.920 nigga was, But why we can't praise us as we age? 2:24:44.000 --> 2:24:44.680 I agree with you. 2:24:45.200 --> 2:24:49.840 Wine gets better that the goal is aging. In fact, 2:24:50.000 --> 2:24:53.640 if you drink some wine that's premature, it's disgusting. 2:24:56.360 --> 2:24:56.840 What the. 2:24:58.600 --> 2:25:02.200 I'm not making this up. You ever drink premature. 2:25:01.760 --> 2:25:03.840 Wine, it's good, you gotta die. 2:25:04.200 --> 2:25:08.520 It's called don't drink it. But what they they say? 2:25:08.680 --> 2:25:13.680 They say, this is a Cabernet from eighteen forty four, 2:25:14.879 --> 2:25:19.600 or you can have nineteen, maybe nineteen. I'm sorry, but 2:25:20.800 --> 2:25:25.000 why in our culture we don't praise each other. So 2:25:25.120 --> 2:25:27.240 I wanted to tell you face to face, man, and man, 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:33.920 you are appreciated, you are loved. 2:25:34.160 --> 2:25:34.440 Thank you. 2:25:34.560 --> 2:25:38.560 Man, We got your motherfucking back and we want to 2:25:38.600 --> 2:25:42.879 continue to support you. Thank you, because without you, there's 2:25:42.920 --> 2:25:51.080 truly nobody in this room, not chet. Besides, if it's 2:25:51.160 --> 2:25:54.960 not for you, there's probably nobody in this room. There's 2:25:54.959 --> 2:26:00.720 probably nobody in this room together. I know how hard 2:26:00.840 --> 2:26:06.800 it is being that odd ball or that the first one. Yeah, 2:26:07.360 --> 2:26:11.080 I know how hard it is. I know it. I've 2:26:11.200 --> 2:26:13.600 done it so many times, and then they tell me 2:26:13.640 --> 2:26:18.360 I'm a genius after it works. But as I'm doing it, 2:26:18.879 --> 2:26:22.800 everyone's looking at me like you idiot, what are you doing? 2:26:25.280 --> 2:26:29.920 I brung a tight shirt, kid, in my studio session. 2:26:33.240 --> 2:26:38.440 He became Pharrell Williams later, but as I was doing it, 2:26:38.520 --> 2:26:41.760 everyone looked at me and said, you're an idiot. Who 2:26:42.040 --> 2:26:45.560 is this guy? Chad Hugo was there to get it twisted, 2:26:46.400 --> 2:26:48.560 But I was the first. So when you're the first, 2:26:49.840 --> 2:26:54.480 you get shut down, you get chastised, you get criticized. 2:26:54.879 --> 2:27:01.200 Everyone says that until it works, and you not only 2:27:01.400 --> 2:27:05.400 was the first one, all on documented documented. 2:27:06.160 --> 2:27:06.320 Yeah. 2:27:06.320 --> 2:27:08.560 I know you say, there's other Puerto Ricans that was 2:27:08.680 --> 2:27:11.920 before you, and Latinos and Latinus whatever before you. But 2:27:12.080 --> 2:27:16.280 let me just tell you something. We hear at drink Champs. 2:27:16.720 --> 2:27:18.600 I want to give you a flowers, We want to 2:27:18.640 --> 2:27:20.959 give you a roses. We want to tell you how 2:27:21.040 --> 2:27:30.240 much absolutely you appreciate it. You are sincerely class per 2:27:30.320 --> 2:27:33.120 signified and we got your mother fucking back. 2:27:33.240 --> 2:27:33.920 Thank you so much. 2:27:33.959 --> 2:27:34.119 Man. 2:27:37.959 --> 2:27:39.920 You know, let me tell you, Let me tell you something, bro. 2:27:40.120 --> 2:27:43.360 Yes, please, I've always I always tell people this is 2:27:43.360 --> 2:27:45.720 an important platform because you guys just don't talk about 2:27:45.760 --> 2:27:51.320 hip hop. You bring in NFL athletes, NBA athletes, politicians, 2:27:51.520 --> 2:27:54.680 people from all walks of life that matter. That that 2:27:54.840 --> 2:27:57.320 people need to hear that people you feel that that 2:27:57.440 --> 2:28:01.520 you feel is important. This is an important platform. Naw yo, 2:28:01.680 --> 2:28:03.640 my crew will tell you. I don't do interviews. I 2:28:03.800 --> 2:28:07.080 stopped doing interviews years ago. E f N reached out 2:28:07.080 --> 2:28:11.760 to me two years ago. Two years ago, he says, yoh, no, 2:28:12.000 --> 2:28:16.560 you ain't even yeah, I says, yo, we would love 2:28:16.600 --> 2:28:18.600 to have you on Drink Champs. Just let us know 2:28:19.000 --> 2:28:22.400 and and and I will uh fix a slot for you. 2:28:22.800 --> 2:28:22.959 Yes. 2:28:23.280 --> 2:28:25.560 And for years I didn't want to do any anything, 2:28:25.640 --> 2:28:29.040 you know, And this time around, with all this controversy 2:28:29.120 --> 2:28:31.120 and everything, and I turned to my crew. I had 2:28:31.120 --> 2:28:33.720 a conversation with them, and I said, I think it's time. 2:28:34.160 --> 2:28:36.200 And I reached out to e f N and he 2:28:36.360 --> 2:28:38.520 was like, no doubt made it happen. And I'm here 2:28:38.560 --> 2:28:41.480 because this is an important It's not I'm not here 2:28:41.520 --> 2:28:43.920 because it's popular because y'all got millions of fathers now 2:28:44.000 --> 2:28:47.320 that it is an important platform with people, with people 2:28:47.720 --> 2:28:50.320 who have an important thing to say. What an important 2:28:51.320 --> 2:28:54.520 how would you say? An important agenda? They need to 2:28:54.600 --> 2:28:58.200 be here because a lot of people who don't know 2:28:58.320 --> 2:29:01.320 that are uninformed to tune in this and get in formed. Right, 2:29:01.680 --> 2:29:02.920 So this is the platform for that. 2:29:03.000 --> 2:29:03.120 Man. 2:29:03.160 --> 2:29:04.960 I appreciate you. No, we appreciate it. 2:29:05.600 --> 2:29:08.160 But let's let's re itervate this before we wrap it up. 2:29:08.320 --> 2:29:12.520 I said twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four, you are 2:29:13.360 --> 2:29:14.199 the Puerto. 2:29:14.000 --> 2:29:16.039 Rican Ambassador, Ambassador. 2:29:15.600 --> 2:29:18.960 Ambassador, can we just call it the Charlie Chase Parade. 2:29:20.560 --> 2:29:22.760 That's all day, Let's just call it. 2:29:23.480 --> 2:29:25.879 Listen. I thought that that's what I thought it were. 2:29:25.959 --> 2:29:29.200 So I've been telling diego up, and you are. I'm like, yo, 2:29:29.560 --> 2:29:31.320 I just want you to know, and that's like, what's 2:29:31.320 --> 2:29:34.680 going on. I'm like, Port d Parade changed the name 2:29:34.760 --> 2:29:37.600 to the Charlie Chase Parade. So just let's ride at 2:29:37.640 --> 2:29:44.000 the room. Let's just rive the now Charlie Chase Parade. Listen, 2:29:45.480 --> 2:29:51.440 it's called the fucking Charlie Chase. Fer We can still 2:29:51.520 --> 2:29:55.080 call it porn parade on the side, on the side, 2:29:55.160 --> 2:29:57.720 but up front, we're calling it the Charlie motherfucker. I 2:29:57.800 --> 2:29:59.480 appreciate that because. 2:30:00.360 --> 2:30:04.000 Something so I mean, we've spoken about what I've done 2:30:04.000 --> 2:30:08.160 in the past, we haven't spoken about about the future. 2:30:08.240 --> 2:30:10.720 Right so right now my partners are here with my 2:30:10.800 --> 2:30:14.480 business partners and stuff. We have a new platform now 2:30:14.959 --> 2:30:16.360 that we created. It took a few years to put 2:30:16.400 --> 2:30:22.440 this together. We basically have the same, uh, the same 2:30:22.680 --> 2:30:25.720 how would you say, capabilities of Netflix and Amazon. We 2:30:25.760 --> 2:30:28.360 have a platform now we can provide that. We've already 2:30:28.400 --> 2:30:31.360 done our first pay per view show. We can do 2:30:31.959 --> 2:30:34.760 we can do anything we want to on this platform. 2:30:34.840 --> 2:30:38.560 We are now Roku, we're getting ready to go on Firestick, 2:30:38.959 --> 2:30:40.440 and we're getting ready to go on Apple TV. 2:30:40.560 --> 2:30:42.360 It's called black Market Media. 2:30:42.560 --> 2:30:44.480 Black Market TV is the channel that we have on 2:30:44.600 --> 2:30:46.320 You can tune on, go to black Market dot com 2:30:46.680 --> 2:30:48.480 and you can log on that way, or if you 2:30:48.520 --> 2:30:50.200 have Roku, you can go on there for now until 2:30:50.240 --> 2:30:51.080 the other two platforms. 2:30:53.040 --> 2:30:54.240 Right, yes, I got that. 2:30:55.640 --> 2:30:57.920 No, it's it's not it's not like too, it's it's 2:30:57.959 --> 2:31:03.840 a platform of its own, would you Eric, Eric. 2:31:03.800 --> 2:31:04.800 Is the guy that put it together. 2:31:04.959 --> 2:31:13.280 Ericident Eric, Right, I forgot your So that platform is 2:31:13.480 --> 2:31:16.520 black Market Media is black Market dot black Market dot 2:31:16.600 --> 2:31:18.640 com TV, black Market tv dot com. 2:31:18.680 --> 2:31:20.120 You'll see you go on there, you see it. 2:31:20.200 --> 2:31:23.240 We have programming, hip hop programming, or you'll see me 2:31:23.360 --> 2:31:24.640 on their interviews. 2:31:24.200 --> 2:31:24.760 And stuff like that. 2:31:25.000 --> 2:31:29.279 Right now, we're about maybe ten thousands and changed viewers 2:31:29.480 --> 2:31:31.520 every month that we have slowly growing. 2:31:31.560 --> 2:31:33.280 We just started it, you know. 2:31:33.760 --> 2:31:36.560 So we're looking to do shows now pay per view stuff, 2:31:36.959 --> 2:31:39.000 and but our platform is so different that if you 2:31:39.040 --> 2:31:43.359 have a business and you want to have a meetings 2:31:43.959 --> 2:31:47.000 or Zoom meeting style, just like you don't need zoom. 2:31:47.120 --> 2:31:49.600 You can do it on ROCU, you can do it 2:31:49.720 --> 2:31:52.560 on on Apple TV, you can do it on on 2:31:52.920 --> 2:31:54.160 on a firestick. 2:31:54.400 --> 2:31:56.240 But what's your what's your platform? 2:31:56.400 --> 2:31:59.440 Black Marker, it's black Media, is black Media? 2:31:59.720 --> 2:32:01.640 Tell it's black Media is the name of the company. 2:32:01.680 --> 2:32:05.320 But the channel is black Market TV. Black Market like 2:32:05.400 --> 2:32:08.040 Magic Marker. We got that happening right now. This is 2:32:08.080 --> 2:32:09.480 blowing up for us and getting ready. 2:32:09.320 --> 2:32:09.600 To do that. 2:32:10.160 --> 2:32:13.520 When the parade, we are actually going to broadcast live 2:32:13.920 --> 2:32:18.200 from our float on the float, live from the parade. 2:32:18.520 --> 2:32:20.880 I'm going to be in my in a convertible in 2:32:20.920 --> 2:32:24.560 front of the float with my daughter. She's coming with me. 2:32:25.000 --> 2:32:26.600 The flow is going to be behind us, and we're 2:32:26.600 --> 2:32:29.360 going to be broadcasting live the whole ship, the whole 2:32:29.400 --> 2:32:31.240 thing going down on our channel. 2:32:31.920 --> 2:32:33.680 So this is the future for us. This is going 2:32:33.760 --> 2:32:35.120 to be big. Right now. 2:32:35.760 --> 2:32:39.680 I just told you the story and you started to 2:32:39.720 --> 2:32:42.080 hate a little bit, like not in a hey. 2:32:42.040 --> 2:32:44.960 Come listen, Man, I'm plato all latinos bro. 2:32:46.000 --> 2:32:48.560 Right now, we're having a conversation with the Florida Board 2:32:48.560 --> 2:32:51.240 of Education to come on board because they're considering coming 2:32:51.280 --> 2:32:53.360 out of the platform to conduct all their business on 2:32:53.440 --> 2:32:56.240 the platform. It's it's it's it's a multi level thing 2:32:56.360 --> 2:32:59.000 like you've never seen, bro, and it's all Latino owned, 2:32:59.440 --> 2:33:01.480 you know what I'm say saying. We're pushing that forward 2:33:01.520 --> 2:33:05.000 right now. Right now, I'm also producing for then uh 2:33:05.200 --> 2:33:10.040 not at least not at least that's getting ready to 2:33:10.080 --> 2:33:13.440 come out, you know. And we just we're just looking forward, man, 2:33:13.959 --> 2:33:17.840 forward and upward. That's what we're going with this. Broe listen. 2:33:21.640 --> 2:33:23.240 And do some drops, and. 2:33:24.840 --> 2:33:25.680 Thank you for inviting me. 2:33:25.680 --> 2:33:26.280 I appreciate that. 2:33:26.400 --> 2:33:30.800 Man, I want to say it again, thank you because 2:33:30.840 --> 2:33:34.840 when you look at the history you doing what you 2:33:35.040 --> 2:33:39.840 did and when it was the funniest thing is we 2:33:40.200 --> 2:33:43.960 googled the ops we we had to right and the 2:33:44.080 --> 2:33:48.640 Fat Joe pops up and they say, okay, cool, he 2:33:48.760 --> 2:33:52.240 influenced Fat Joe, and Fat Joe already says that how 2:33:52.320 --> 2:33:55.000 much you influenced them? But then then I come up 2:33:55.040 --> 2:33:59.119 after and I'm like this is so dope, Like it's. 2:33:59.440 --> 2:34:01.480 People need to hear your story more because I didn't 2:34:01.480 --> 2:34:03.240 even know about this until the soul that I got. 2:34:03.360 --> 2:34:05.040 Yet that's right now you're gonna come out with his 2:34:05.120 --> 2:34:08.240 autobiography and his documentary and the elementary. 2:34:08.720 --> 2:34:11.240 But let me say it to you and again in 2:34:11.320 --> 2:34:15.680 front these people who listen to us, thank you so much, 2:34:15.840 --> 2:34:20.600 thank you, because thank you man. I truly believe that 2:34:20.720 --> 2:34:23.880 if you wasn't as resilient as you was and stick 2:34:24.760 --> 2:34:27.520 to what you was doing. Because when when when they 2:34:27.600 --> 2:34:31.040 said and I looked at and they said, man, why 2:34:31.080 --> 2:34:34.960 are you playing that type of music? I was related 2:34:35.000 --> 2:34:37.280 to that just so much. And I was just like, 2:34:37.440 --> 2:34:42.280 holy shit, And I told you, my wife is right there, 2:34:42.320 --> 2:34:43.640 and I looked at my wife. I was like, this 2:34:43.800 --> 2:34:48.440 man's life is my life. It's literal. It's literally my 2:34:48.560 --> 2:34:50.760 life in a different way, like in a different way, right, 2:34:51.040 --> 2:34:53.720 but it's literally. And I was just like, damn. And 2:34:53.840 --> 2:34:55.720 I had to tell you this face to face, man, 2:34:55.800 --> 2:34:59.160 and man, thank you so much. Man. 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