Speaker 1: He is Drake Chans motherfucking podcast make si. He's a
Speaker 1: legendary queen's rapper. He's a great as your boy in
Speaker 1: O R E.
Speaker 2: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d
Speaker 2: J e f N.
Speaker 1: Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and.
Speaker 3: The most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source
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Speaker 5: Drink up mother Mother?
Speaker 1: Would it good be? How many is your boy in
Speaker 1: O R E? What up?
Speaker 5: His DJ e f N?
Speaker 1: And this motherfuckering miller say yappy?
Speaker 6: Our make some.
Speaker 1: With me? And e f N started this show. We
Speaker 1: always said we wanted to give to legends, people that
Speaker 1: came before us, people that was around us, and this
Speaker 1: brother right here in a lot of ways. If he
Speaker 1: didn't exist, I don't think EFN would exist. I don't
Speaker 1: think Nori would exist. I don't think this show would exist.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like drink Chap's godfather. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he knows this. He's the man's man DJ.
Speaker 1: When I tried to Google, how many times his name
Speaker 1: was said on our show, And I think it got
Speaker 1: to be close to like three hundred times people were
Speaker 1: just saying hip hop, and when it was invented, he
Speaker 1: was there when they were playing disco records. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even considered hip hop at that time. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for this interview, to give this brother his flowers, to
Speaker 1: make sure that he understands how important and how much
Speaker 1: of a legend he is, because, like I said, not
Speaker 1: only me and EFN probably wouldn't be here together as
Speaker 1: friends if it was for him. But guess what, guys,
Speaker 1: everyone around here might not be here. No, not you,
Speaker 1: especially not you. So in case you don't know who
Speaker 1: the fuck we're talking about, motherfucking I want to get
Speaker 1: straight into it. I'm not even gonna like the bad
Speaker 1: day off immediately. I am a proud Latino. I am
Speaker 1: a proud Puerto Rican.
Speaker 5: I know you are, and.
Speaker 1: I heard said I was watching you on the interviews,
Speaker 1: and and by the way, leading up to this, everyone
Speaker 1: always they always say, man, you gotta you gotta get
Speaker 1: Charlie up here. You gotta have Charlie up here. But me,
Speaker 1: and this is a question, this is kind a pure curiosity.
Speaker 1: How the fuck did you do what you're doing? Like,
Speaker 1: because like I was so I was so happy, you know,
Speaker 1: researching everything about you. But I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is you're the originator. You are you, You're
Speaker 1: an originator. But I'm asking you, like me and EFN,
Speaker 1: when we started this show, we had doubts and at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, we were like, are we sure?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna do this? So what I'm asking you
Speaker 1: right now is when the hip hop was originally you
Speaker 1: got to see the first parties, you got to be there.
Speaker 1: You had a doubt that this music will go that far?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean remember.
Speaker 6: Remember listen, people try to put a date on a
Speaker 6: hip hop when it started, and it's it's not fair
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 6: For example, hip hop was a culture that was already
Speaker 6: beginning even before Hurka, when people.
Speaker 5: Were wearing the mark next the cago.
Speaker 6: The British walkers, the Gazales that wear all that, the
Speaker 6: graffiti on the denim on the jackets, people were already
Speaker 6: doing that.
Speaker 5: The parties gave us a place to meet up where
Speaker 5: we get.
Speaker 6: Now people of my life community can actually see meet up,
Speaker 6: see how how we were, how we were doing, and
Speaker 6: right then and there we'd see what you were wearing
Speaker 6: the light Dan, and then next thing, you know, that
Speaker 6: guy would go back. So the culture was already bubbling up.
Speaker 6: The parties was just a place for us. It wasn't
Speaker 6: excuse for us to get together. So now we can,
Speaker 6: we can. So the culture was already happening. So to
Speaker 6: put a date on it and to even call it
Speaker 6: hip it wasn't even called hip hop in it was
Speaker 6: the jams, you know the CNN where the people in
Speaker 6: the streets, the high schools. Yo, did you hear about
Speaker 6: this happening this weekend? Did you about flash happening this weekend?
Speaker 6: Charlie Chase up in the Bronx at one eighteen part
Speaker 6: I mean phone calls, There was no beavers, there was
Speaker 6: no no cell phone there where the mouthles on fire.
Speaker 6: And think about this.
Speaker 5: It happened.
Speaker 6: It happened the way it happened because it was brand
Speaker 6: new and every single day, every minute of every single day,
Speaker 6: and everything would we did was brand new. You know
Speaker 6: what that feeling is to wake up every day and
Speaker 6: it's like, Yo, this is branded. We didn't know what
Speaker 6: we were doing. We didn't know we were ruling a culture.
Speaker 6: We didn't know we were creating an industry. It was
Speaker 6: just something that was right right now. To be fair
Speaker 6: to say that I was at the very very beginning,
Speaker 6: it's not true because Heirk started into seventy three. That's
Speaker 6: when they say he started seventy five and as a
Speaker 6: disco DJ.
Speaker 1: Disco d I was a disco.
Speaker 6: DJ in seventy five, right, I was with my crew,
Speaker 6: Tom and Jerry.
Speaker 1: Tom and Jerry got my notes.
Speaker 5: Right, but.
Speaker 7: Go.
Speaker 6: So I started then into seventy six, and that's when
Speaker 6: I started dabbling because I always grew up appreciating and
Speaker 6: liking R and B music right and funk, and I
Speaker 6: was always at being a musician.
Speaker 5: I gravitated that I loved it. So I was always.
Speaker 6: Playing like the Blackbirds or really listening to all this
Speaker 6: R and B. WBLS at the time was the total
Speaker 6: black experience in sound. That was what they used to
Speaker 6: call themselves. And I was always tuned to WBLS, so
Speaker 6: I always listened to that music. I love it on
Speaker 6: top of my mother playing south Side and all that
Speaker 6: stuff in the house. So I was always submerged in music,
Speaker 6: and I learned actually to appreciate everything because growing up,
Speaker 6: there was a station in New York called w It
Speaker 6: was w A seventy seven w ABC, which is now
Speaker 6: a sports talk station. Back in the day, it was
Speaker 6: a music station that played everything. And when I say everything,
Speaker 6: everything everything. It was not like compartmentalized like today you
Speaker 6: got R and B station rocks.
Speaker 5: They literally played everything.
Speaker 6: So I learned how to appreciate everything and all these
Speaker 6: different styles of music. And I grew up on that station,
Speaker 6: and that's how that and there was My father was
Speaker 6: a musician, so there was always music in my house.
Speaker 5: So that's how I got to appreciate it all.
Speaker 1: This morning, I was researching, just doing more and more
Speaker 1: and more research, and you maybe cry this morning. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why you'll make me cry. It made
Speaker 1: me cry. But I looked and you said, you said,
Speaker 1: you said, because me, I'm black in Puerto Rican, right,
Speaker 1: so when I hang with the black people, they used
Speaker 1: to make fun of me for being with the Latinos.
Speaker 1: When I hang with the Latinos, used to make fun
Speaker 1: of me for being with the black people. But I
Speaker 1: really couldn't choose the side. And you said something, you said, yo,
Speaker 1: when you used to play this music, these people used
Speaker 1: to come up to you and say why you're playing
Speaker 1: this jungle bunny music? Like I literally, like I literally
Speaker 1: my sitters was like, holy shit, that's something that was
Speaker 1: hard for me when I was my wife is right there,
Speaker 1: my wife she right there. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So my wife was right there and I
Speaker 1: looked and I was like, yo, his life is literally
Speaker 1: like if you didn't have your life, I might have
Speaker 1: not had my life. So I look, is that was
Speaker 1: that something that was hard to like balance you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because there's no blueprint to what you did.
Speaker 1: Like you are Fat Joe's blueprint. You are big Punts blueprint.
Speaker 1: You are my blueprint, but you had no blueprint.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, you know it's funny that you say that because
Speaker 6: my business partner Eric, when we went to New York
Speaker 6: to see the Delaya for me here and we saw
Speaker 6: your segment, but you just said to me. I said
Speaker 6: to them, it's like, bro, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 6: we shared the same parallels, like for real, for real,
Speaker 6: for real? I say, all right, I had said that
Speaker 6: to my business father at the premiere. My party is
Speaker 6: not here, and I said, man, I can appreciate what
Speaker 6: he's going through because we basically went through the same
Speaker 6: things that you were telling your storyline. That's crazy. So
Speaker 6: to answer your question right, I didn't give a fuck
Speaker 6: about what anybody thought. I really didn't. I'm now to
Speaker 6: be honest with you, the people from my age weren't
Speaker 6: the ones who really bitch in the morning. It was
Speaker 6: of a competition thing, and there was a lot of
Speaker 6: smack talking, you know, and there was people snapping, a
Speaker 6: lot of smack talking and that type of thing. But
Speaker 6: really the people who were being prejudiced against me.
Speaker 1: At the time, Puerto.
Speaker 6: Ricans and the black community, because.
Speaker 5: Remember I told you it was all new.
Speaker 6: I was one of them guys that were keep a
Speaker 6: build with people up one to two in the morning
Speaker 6: on the two when they had to go to work.
Speaker 5: Oh kind of ship, you know, you little.
Speaker 6: Really, all the animosity and all the hate, like all
Speaker 6: all the racism and stuff came from the older people
Speaker 6: because I was and they didn't understand it. They didn't
Speaker 6: get what was going on. I mean to be honest
Speaker 6: with you, I didn't get what was going on. But
Speaker 6: whatever it was, it was something inside of me that
Speaker 6: just made me keep doing it. So to answer the question,
Speaker 6: I didn't give a ship what anybody thought. I liked
Speaker 6: what I was doing.
Speaker 5: I was feeling it. Plus I was getting mad attention
Speaker 5: from the girls.
Speaker 6: I was like, that was the driver, right right, right right.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you, Bro, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you that, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, you know, we we say
Speaker 1: that to a person after it's gone and whatever. But
Speaker 1: me researching you, I was just like, damn, like it
Speaker 1: just kept going, and it just kept going, kept going.
Speaker 1: And so many people come on this sit in the
Speaker 1: same seat as you say, and they're like, yo, do
Speaker 1: you know about Johnnie Chase? And we're always like, of course, bro,
Speaker 1: we want to on. But your class for signified man,
Speaker 1: and you're you're, you're, you're, you're literally the reason why
Speaker 1: being fin it's here because, like I said, even me
Speaker 1: and I friend like, we didn't have this. There was
Speaker 1: no podcast like us to give flowers to people, to
Speaker 1: tell people that you know, prior to that. So when
Speaker 1: I'm looking and I'm just just telling you, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Moderate crew. What is it? Monterrey crew, the
Speaker 1: Monterrey projects right.
Speaker 6: Right, It was a project that was around the corner
Speaker 6: from my house on Adia then ofth Avenue. They were
Speaker 6: a bunch of young kids. They I was always in
Speaker 6: the community center and we would play ping pong. This
Speaker 6: there was a place that hang out in the winter
Speaker 6: where we couldn't.
Speaker 1: Play ping pong. Of course I do. I got this,
Speaker 1: I got the ticket, I got this.
Speaker 5: Old man can still kick.
Speaker 6: Away. So the montery crew they they they were always
Speaker 6: playing music.
Speaker 5: They had this little baby speakers and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And I was always in that the community center, and
Speaker 6: I was always I was with one of the DJ's
Speaker 6: brother in a band, in a in a project band
Speaker 6: that we have playing instruments.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: So one day I was going to the back to
Speaker 6: play some ping pong and I noticed that the.
Speaker 5: Main community room where they throw the parties and stuff
Speaker 5: was dark.
Speaker 6: And I'm hearing music, and I'm hearing this music that
Speaker 6: I'm familiar with, and I'm like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 6: know all this music like Jimmy Cast, the Blackbirds, all
Speaker 6: that s right.
Speaker 5: So I'm like I'm looking through the.
Speaker 6: Glass and it's packed and it's a hot box in there,
Speaker 6: and all like I see was the one light, you
Speaker 6: know when you take the lamp shade. You tell you
Speaker 6: looked off the shade and one of those lamps was there,
Speaker 6: and I saw that. I'm like, and then I saw
Speaker 6: a familiar face. So I walked in there and I
Speaker 6: looked at and Yo, what's going on? And it's like, nah, man,
Speaker 6: we're just jamming out here is what we do. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, I know these records. You know, they
Speaker 6: would play like I said, Jimmy cast the somebody.
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, I'm James Brown. You know records like that.
Speaker 5: And this is pre breaks. This is just their place, pre.
Speaker 6: Breaks, right, So we were just like just they were
Speaker 6: just actually the breaks already existed. We just brought them
Speaker 6: up to speed. Remember that, for some of these breaks
Speaker 6: were created in the sixties, nobody was looping the breaks.
Speaker 6: They was looping at the breaks at that time. I
Speaker 6: have to see them loop the we're going to go
Speaker 6: to flash and that's the rise, right. So that when
Speaker 6: I went in there and I saw them doing it,
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, man, I liked this. I was already
Speaker 6: a disco DJ with Tom and Jerry, so I said, man,
Speaker 6: I know this music. I like this music.
Speaker 5: I love this music.
Speaker 6: And I when I started picking their brain, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know what, I want to try this. I want
Speaker 6: to I want to start switching up because this is why.
Speaker 6: When I seen the crowd appreciating it and dancing to him,
Speaker 6: we were young kids at the time, you know, to me,
Speaker 6: that was yo, this is this is cool. So that
Speaker 6: kind of kind of lit the flame for me to
Speaker 6: go in that direction, just to start playing R and
Speaker 6: B and that kind of music and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, so, let me ask you because when
Speaker 1: I researched, right, it says you dropped in seventy five,
Speaker 1: but it says that you got your name from chasing
Speaker 1: grand Master Flash. Yeah, but online it says grand Master
Speaker 1: Flash came out in seventy eight, right, So how could
Speaker 1: that be if you came out in seventy five.
Speaker 6: No, Flash didn't come out in seventy eight. Clash Flash
Speaker 6: came out before that. And he'll tell you that himself.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know he was on the show. Flash
Speaker 6: Flash had perfected the quick mix theory.
Speaker 5: He perfected in seventy six, he tells me.
Speaker 6: Seventy six or so, seventy five seventy six, that's when
Speaker 6: he started doing it. In seventy six, seventy seven was
Speaker 6: when they started doing everybody started catching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was born seventy seven, that's right.
Speaker 5: So that's when I caught my eye on Flash.
Speaker 6: It was around seventy. No, I didn't want a boat
Speaker 6: him because fat, I was. Flash was bigger than that
Speaker 6: was like a superhero word, you know.
Speaker 9: Whene was when he hit that record the ground and.
Speaker 6: I was like, this, motherfucker's cool.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So Flash, when I seen him doing what he was doing,
Speaker 6: I said to myself, Yo, I know some of these
Speaker 6: records that he's playing. I'm like, I can do this,
Speaker 6: you know. And I saw what he was doing, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, I know I could do this, you know.
Speaker 6: So I went back and I started practicing and trying
Speaker 6: to get it and trying to get in on fire.
Speaker 6: What you've seen in Kingwood, I was seeing Flash.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Listen, they tell you Latinos created hip hop. That's not true.
Speaker 6: Well, we there to help develop it in the evolution. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: nobody can step that.
Speaker 1: Away from that.
Speaker 5: You can deny it as much as you want.
Speaker 6: But back in the Bronx, as much as people talk
Speaker 6: shit Latinos and the Black community, we were like this.
Speaker 6: We understand. We had each other's back. We knew that
Speaker 6: we like ground Messling cast says, we knew we all
Speaker 6: had we all we got, you understand, and we were
Speaker 6: always close. I always I always have black friends, and
Speaker 6: I always had Latino friends, and I was friends with everybody.
Speaker 3: You understand, there was a lot of Latinos that that
Speaker 3: didn't come out that weren't obviously after the Latinos later on,
Speaker 3: people realized, oh they're Latinos.
Speaker 6: Do you know how many friends I knew that I
Speaker 6: thought was straight up black and I found out I
Speaker 6: would go visit them in the they were and they
Speaker 6: were Spanish in your house and in the house and
Speaker 6: I'm like, you're Spanish, he speak Spanish? Like oh yeah,
Speaker 6: you didn't know? No, Yeah, So that that was how
Speaker 6: so flash was was the reason that I gave myself
Speaker 6: the name.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what am I?
Speaker 6: You know, I came up with all kind of stupid
Speaker 6: names you know before, Yeah, like, no, I didn't go
Speaker 6: public with this, but let's tell us of the names DJ, Snake, DJA.
Speaker 5: Yes, I forgot some of you. But what that was
Speaker 5: the most.
Speaker 6: Right And I'm seeing myself, damn, you know if I'm
Speaker 6: going to do this, man, I I'm I'm I was driven.
Speaker 6: I always knew that if I whatever I put my
Speaker 6: head to, I would be good at So I said
Speaker 6: to myself, I know that I'm going to be good
Speaker 6: at this, and I know that.
Speaker 1: Sooner or later I'm going to meet for Flash.
Speaker 6: I didn't know what to call myself.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: There was a television show on TV at the time
Speaker 6: called The Chase, and the way it started was there
Speaker 6: was a license plate they said the Chase, and the
Speaker 6: car would take off.
Speaker 5: And when I saw that.
Speaker 6: That was when I said, that's Tony Chase right there.
Speaker 6: Because I'm chasing Flash. Flash was ahead of me.
Speaker 5: I told Flash this, Flash, I said, I'm chasing grand
Speaker 5: Master Flash.
Speaker 6: I said, that's the name. Well, corse Man, you know
Speaker 6: now in that time once once you know, I got Tony.
Speaker 6: Tony is the reason why I really was thrust it
Speaker 6: into that because I was I was known in my neighborhood,
Speaker 6: in the local blocks in my neighborhood, I was I
Speaker 6: was the man, you understand, but nobody really knew who
Speaker 6: I was. I didn't actually get out until I met Tony.
Speaker 6: Tony he was the one that was who was already
Speaker 6: would breakout or not. He was DJ, so he already
Speaker 6: knew everybody. He knew Bam, he knew Flash, you know
Speaker 6: all these people, and he introduced me to them. So
Speaker 6: that's all. I was basically thrown into into the pocket
Speaker 6: of that. But a lot of these people didn't even
Speaker 6: know I existed. But yet my neighborhood hip hop was well,
Speaker 6: the culture was thriving, you know.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, right, I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: Pun was like my best friend, right. I loved I
Speaker 1: loved Fun so much, but I remember him always being
Speaker 1: a little upset for a person saying he's nice for
Speaker 1: a Latino cheer. But it's it's who deal with, right
Speaker 1: Some some some people will say, you know, like where's Diego?
Speaker 1: Diego was was whoopy? And we were googling New York
Speaker 1: Riecans right, New yor Ricans right.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 1: We all came up. I'll say, oh, ship, I forgot
Speaker 1: part of the community, right. But let me get back
Speaker 1: to what I was trying to say. I remember Pun
Speaker 1: being disgusted that people would say, Pun, you're nice.
Speaker 6: For Puerto Rican, for Puerto Rican. I got that shit
Speaker 6: a lot, Pun talking.
Speaker 1: This mother falk And then I started to realize, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that telling that about me. They're like, Laurie's nice for
Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican? Is that something that I know you
Speaker 1: just said it, but I want to ask it and
Speaker 1: re iterating you had to do it this way longer
Speaker 1: than me. So how does how did that feel like?
Speaker 1: Hearing that, to be honest with you, didn't affect me.
Speaker 1: You want to know why because I didn't know any better.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I wasn't into it. I didn't feel like it was
Speaker 5: a racist remark.
Speaker 6: I didn't feel anything because I didn't feel racism at
Speaker 6: that time.
Speaker 5: I wasn't raised that way or to think that way.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 6: Or how severe. I wasn't exposed to the severity of
Speaker 6: racism until till later. So when I heard that I
Speaker 6: was beautiful to me there was a freaking compliment. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 6: that's coming from the black community. Yo, that's a compliments.
Speaker 6: That's showing that's showing me that I'm doing something right.
Speaker 5: So I never really took offense to it.
Speaker 6: Never did, you know, But to say about Big Pun,
Speaker 6: I met him one time, get out of here.
Speaker 5: One time I was playing at Jimmy's Bronx Cafe.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, it was like smell Jimmy's bos cafe.
Speaker 5: And he said it was a Tuesday night.
Speaker 6: And somebody says, Yo, Pun is here, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: oh wait a minute, I said, yo, take over.
Speaker 5: I got to speak to one. I want to meet him.
Speaker 5: I see he's sitting there with one other cat right,
Speaker 5: He's sitting at the table. He's eating.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, damn, I don't want to disturb I said,
Speaker 6: but I'm not going to get another chance to talk
Speaker 6: to me. And I got to get back to what
Speaker 6: I'm doing. So I go over him very politely. I said,
Speaker 6: excuse me, sir, I said, Pun, excuse me, and he's annoyed,
Speaker 6: like general life. You got to look like what the
Speaker 6: fuck you are? You know? And I said, I said, listen,
Speaker 6: I know we don't know each other. I don't mean
Speaker 6: to disturb you, but I felt that I really needed
Speaker 6: to introduce myself to you. I said, my name is
Speaker 6: DJ Charlie Chase the Cold. Because he loans up.
Speaker 5: Of course, he got up.
Speaker 6: He got up, he threw his arms around me.
Speaker 5: He hugged me, said you don't understand. Thank you.
Speaker 6: He was thanking me, giving me all kind of accolades
Speaker 6: and stuff. And I said to him, I said, yo,
Speaker 6: I just wanted to come by meet and say bro
Speaker 6: that I'm proud of what you're doing the way you
Speaker 6: represented us. And he turned to his man and he said,
Speaker 6: did you hear this?
Speaker 5: He says, He t me, you don't.
Speaker 6: Understanding exactly what that we spoke for fifteen minutes or
Speaker 6: sold because I had to get back, and that we
Speaker 6: exchanged numbers and I never got to see him again
Speaker 6: en after that, But that was that was It felt
Speaker 6: good to hear that coming from somebody at that point.
Speaker 6: He was already successful, you understand. And and to hear
Speaker 6: that from him, you know, I to hear it from
Speaker 6: you when when you're when you start getting my age,
Speaker 6: and you hear people giving you, perhaps with younger people
Speaker 6: who are successful, you say your So that's that's at
Speaker 6: least for me, that he's a good impres makes me
Speaker 6: feel good because damn that ship, you know, I still
Speaker 6: got a little gas in the.
Speaker 5: Tank, right, legacy right, So it makes me feel good.
Speaker 6: So pun made me feel good when he said that,
Speaker 6: you know, and and and and I and I really
Speaker 6: felt good meeting him. And I think his reaction was
Speaker 6: really was was my reward? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: It was my reward.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something, and I want to
Speaker 1: reiterate it. I said it earlier. I'm gonna say it again. Literally,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you and your relentlessness from what
Speaker 1: you did, I don't think drink Champs would exist. This
Speaker 1: is a real talk. This is real talk. I mean
Speaker 1: this is He's one of the most stubborn persons I
Speaker 1: know and I am too in a different way. Well,
Speaker 1: our love for each other is hip hop. And if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for you and what you did, the legacy
Speaker 1: that you laid out prior to us, you actually drink
Speaker 1: Champs father bro show, it's giving people with the flowers
Speaker 1: our show, and we wanted to give you your flowers
Speaker 1: face to face. Man. Yeah, yeah, well man, thank you.
Speaker 5: No, man, this is dope.
Speaker 1: And so let's let's let's talk about they're trying to
Speaker 1: rename the Porto Rican Parade after you.
Speaker 5: No, no, okay, okay.
Speaker 6: This year they called I thought I was being punked
Speaker 6: at first.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: They called me up and said, listen, you know, we
Speaker 6: see the way, we know that you've been doing this
Speaker 6: and the person actually the directing I was a friend
Speaker 6: of mine who I grew up with as kids. We
Speaker 6: used to work. You've care in New York City, whatever
Speaker 6: job call or you've called you called when you had
Speaker 6: the jobs and stuff. Lillian Rodriguez, she's now the chairman
Speaker 6: of the place. So I've known million for years. We
Speaker 6: grew up in the same clique, same friends. We don't
Speaker 6: like family.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: And she called me up and she said, Chase, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, we know, I know you from an years.
Speaker 6: I feel that you've never gotten your flowers, she says,
Speaker 6: I see.
Speaker 1: She says you can get your flowers first.
Speaker 6: So she said, you know you never got your flowers
Speaker 6: and and and she says, you've.
Speaker 5: You've done so much, You've upped it, uplifted.
Speaker 6: The Hispanic community so much that I just want to
Speaker 6: ask you if you if you would like to be
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four Puerto Rican they ambassador.
Speaker 5: Oh that's incredible. And then I said, stop sucking with me, Lilily,
Speaker 5: But she says no, no, straight up. And I was like,
Speaker 5: are you first? She said yeah. I'm like I was.
Speaker 5: I was speechless.
Speaker 6: I always got some and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 6: said yes, I'll do it, you know, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: I'm like, this comes full circle for me as much
Speaker 5: as I'm four. So I'm the ambassador.
Speaker 6: Now there's a few other honies like Lisa, Lisa Well,
Speaker 6: I can't speak. I shouldn't be. She's mad, She's parade
Speaker 6: are there are few other people like I'm not going
Speaker 6: to stay.
Speaker 5: Because I want to let them, allow them just.
Speaker 1: To I don't know.
Speaker 5: But yeah, So this year I'm going to be there.
Speaker 6: They're they're having this big banquet at the Plaza Hotel
Speaker 6: and all the Armies honor on Friday Saturday.
Speaker 5: Of course it's one hundred sixteenth Street.
Speaker 6: We're gonna be up there hanging out great a Sunday
Speaker 6: and then I'm throwing well, they're throwing me a big
Speaker 6: after party from the parade in my honor, and they
Speaker 6: invite them all kind of people, celebrity kind of stuff. Man.
Speaker 6: So for that, man, So if you in town, made
Speaker 6: you guys are more than work on the come Brouck.
Speaker 1: I'm coming just for you, yeah, man.
Speaker 5: So that's that's a big honor for me.
Speaker 6: It's a hugere you know, the acceptance that you feel
Speaker 6: coming from something like that.
Speaker 5: I mean the parade is.
Speaker 6: Look, it's the biggest parade besides besides the West Indon
Speaker 6: Parade in Brooklyn. That's the biggest parade, Bigger than the
Speaker 6: Thanks Every parade, Bigger than.
Speaker 5: The Saint Patrick's. They parade bigger.
Speaker 6: Three million people in attenders, five million people watching on TV.
Speaker 5: Come on, man, how could you not?
Speaker 3: Honestly, you should have had You should have gotten this
Speaker 3: on her a long time ago.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 6: I've never been the type to feel like I would
Speaker 6: be mad because of something I didn't get. You Ever
Speaker 6: see somebody who wins prizes and like, damn, I got
Speaker 6: one hundred dollars, I should have got this that it's
Speaker 6: not me. I'll bend yo, thank you. You know That's
Speaker 6: how I feel about it. Didn't it didn't get it before.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about what I didn't get. I'm really
Speaker 6: appreciateive on what I'm getting while I'm still alive.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you a story real quick. My
Speaker 1: father made me go to every Puerto Rican Day parade.
Speaker 1: Right and by the way, my father's a foul god.
Speaker 1: He made me sell beers too. I was the little kid. Hey,
Speaker 1: back then, it was in foul to sell beers. He
Speaker 1: told me, damn all right, calm down his what's crazy?
Speaker 1: But Joe always remembers. He's like, you know, the first
Speaker 1: day I met you was at the Puerto Rican Day parade.
Speaker 1: If I had l A l A and Fat Joe
Speaker 1: seeing me, and no one wanted wanted me on their float. No,
Speaker 1: I was like, who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: And Fat Joe was like Puerto Rican Right, He's like,
Speaker 1: get your ass up here, and he move me on
Speaker 1: the float. And for anybody if you're a Puerto Rican,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing, even if you're not Puerto Rican,
Speaker 1: to see that energy of the city. They shut down
Speaker 1: Madison what is it? Madison Avenue? Fifth Avenue. Fifth Avenue
Speaker 1: is one of the other that's dope. I've been able
Speaker 1: to walk the parade. You walked the parade when Pun
Speaker 1: passed away.
Speaker 3: I was working for Echo and Loud Music and they
Speaker 3: asked my team down south to come up there. They
Speaker 3: flew us out and they had us walk the break
Speaker 3: of Fat Joe jah Remy was on the on the
Speaker 3: floor and they had us.
Speaker 5: Our team was passing out these pun.
Speaker 3: Towels, but they were playing one hundred percent for the
Speaker 3: first time for everybody. And the chill that Super Puerto
Speaker 3: Rican the chills when that was playing. He had just
Speaker 3: passed away. It was it was crazy, man, but it
Speaker 3: was the praise was dope.
Speaker 1: I love I love so I'm so honored that you
Speaker 1: being honored, because that's me being honored. I'm sharing it
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 6: I'm just doing I'm so, I am so pro Puerto Rican,
Speaker 6: I am so I'm gonna show you something real quick.
Speaker 5: I'm so free, I'm so proud.
Speaker 6: I'm so proud that everywhere I've played on the entire planet,
Speaker 6: I've taken these with me. Now, this was a gift
Speaker 6: given to me by my boy, DJ non Stop, who
Speaker 6: was the DJ for K seven and the Swing Kids,
Speaker 6: and then he was a DJ for d m X.
Speaker 6: He was DMX. He gave I went to Chicago to
Speaker 6: DJ for the rock Steady Crew and he gave me.
Speaker 5: These as a gift.
Speaker 6: Wow, he gave me these as a gift right here,
Speaker 6: and I take them everywhere on the planet. I rock.
Speaker 5: Everywhere on the planet that I rocked.
Speaker 6: These babies playing with me because I'm proud of my heritage,
Speaker 6: I'm proud of well being Puerto Rican and I show
Speaker 6: this to everybody.
Speaker 5: I don't problem with that, you know.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. My my two closest Latino
Speaker 1: friends as e Fan and fad Joe, right, and they did.
Speaker 1: They didn't like when I started reggae, though.
Speaker 10: I saw that the documentary reasons, they had any reasons,
Speaker 10: but me personally, I discovered reggae throw in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: I went to Puerto Rico and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this ship? I thought it was I
Speaker 1: called it Latin reggae. So then I went to club Roombos.
Speaker 1: Room Boxs used to be Club Fever. I remember that
Speaker 1: Club Fever. Let's just every jon I don't know Io promoted.
Speaker 1: You probably don't know what I mean, so I would
Speaker 1: go there. But let me ask you because you're the original,
Speaker 1: You're a part of the original hip hop, right, Like,
Speaker 1: were you offended when you first heard reggaeton or was
Speaker 1: this something like?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: How did you feel?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 1: I want to ask you.
Speaker 6: I'm a lover of music, to be honest with you.
Speaker 6: At first I thought it was reggae because it had
Speaker 6: that vibe.
Speaker 3: I felt it was latinos trying to impersonate a patois
Speaker 3: in Spanish and.
Speaker 5: I did it right. He did it right.
Speaker 1: But when.
Speaker 3: I went to Puerto Rico early on too, and I
Speaker 3: heard it over there, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know about this, guys, you know, say like, because we
Speaker 3: were here trying to make sure we maintained our respect
Speaker 3: as latinos and hip hop lyricism and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and then I'm hearing this and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: know how this is going to play over here. It
Speaker 3: sounds like Latino's trying to do this, you know, patoa
Speaker 3: and faking it. But then here later on though, after
Speaker 3: he did what he did, which revolutionized everything, and just
Speaker 3: moving forward. Now the evolution of reggaeton has gotten the
Speaker 3: genre has just they've really gotten creative and I have
Speaker 3: a total different respect for it.
Speaker 5: But back then I wasn't respecting.
Speaker 1: So what was your first I want to know you.
Speaker 6: At first, I thought it was reggae thron right, That's
Speaker 6: what I mean. I'm sorry, reggae music, right, And it
Speaker 6: was cool, and I'm like, and being there I had
Speaker 6: already heard it, was like, okay, it's cool, and it wasn't.
Speaker 6: It did strike me as anything new, but I started
Speaker 6: noticing that it started sounding a little bit more, it
Speaker 6: started creating a more cohesive sound of its own, right,
Speaker 6: And I'm like, okay, I'm starting I'm starting to notice it.
Speaker 5: It didn't bother me. I kind of enjoyed it at first.
Speaker 5: What really bothered me more anybody.
Speaker 6: It was more like the style, the way they were
Speaker 6: just like, yo, get.
Speaker 1: Out of the eighties, you like, you know, the same
Speaker 1: what is it? Well?
Speaker 5: The beats?
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, always sounded like a jack the murdercing beast,
Speaker 3: same beast, right, But I remember.
Speaker 6: I got it when it came out. Also was much faster.
Speaker 6: It was a much faster temple, so it was very
Speaker 6: dazable and stuff. And I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I really didn't. I wasn't hating on it or anything,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: And then of course later on, you know, when they
Speaker 6: get thrown did like normal Puerto Ricans do when people
Speaker 6: criticize them.
Speaker 5: Fuck, we're doing what we doing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But when I saw what you did, and when I
Speaker 6: saw the documentary you were telling me what happened, I
Speaker 6: was like, whoa, that's crazy. And I didn't know that
Speaker 6: you were the I mean, I remember the record I
Speaker 6: remember the saw when you brought it wood equalmo in right,
Speaker 6: But when I saw the documentary, I didn't realize.
Speaker 5: That that was the soul, that was the game change,
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 1: The one that I put my own car on the line. People.
Speaker 5: You did because yo, we could be we could be critical.
Speaker 6: Of ourselves over here.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I received so much slack
Speaker 1: from the black community. I mean, I'm black and lat
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm gonna say it straight up. Black
Speaker 1: people were looking like, well stay Porto Rican and I
Speaker 1: was like, I've been port rinking my whole life, Like
Speaker 1: why would you? Why got state Puerto Rican? Now they're like,
Speaker 1: stick with racing peas. Yeah, I'm like Jesus, I like,
Speaker 1: I like jerk chicken too to do it on the
Speaker 1: cone whissel, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: But let me ask you a question, right, okay, because
Speaker 6: let's go growing up. Like like I had said earlier,
Speaker 6: there were blacks. There were people got my black friends
Speaker 6: right who were Hispanic and then never told me did
Speaker 6: you ever feel that you needed like no moments And
Speaker 6: I'm not judging or anything, but did you ever feel
Speaker 6: like at some point like sometimes you couldn't say yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm Hispanic because you were afraid that if you expose yourself,
Speaker 6: they were going to look at you differently.
Speaker 1: My father was the Puerto Rican with the tail, fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand tattoos, earrings, he wore new ports under his shit.
Speaker 1: He played handball all day like he was the super
Speaker 1: super Puerto Rican, right Like he was like, if you
Speaker 1: looked up Puerto Rican, my father's dead like this, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I he installed to
Speaker 1: be the proudest Puerto Rican ever. And then my mother
Speaker 1: was like kind of like the opposite of She was
Speaker 1: like afrocentric. So it was just like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't choose. Like I called myself. It's
Speaker 1: a wrong word now to say it, but I called
Speaker 1: myself Nigga Egan my whole life, I'm Ningo Rekan. They're like,
Speaker 1: what's your race? Ningoregan, Like like you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: say that, right, But I've always been been that. And
Speaker 1: then I met uh, my brother, my brother's mother, my
Speaker 1: brother Cookie not Mario, my brother, my older brother who
Speaker 1: I didn't know in my childhood, and she was more
Speaker 1: Afrocentric than any black person in the world. She proved
Speaker 1: to me that she was affle Latina, that's what you
Speaker 1: call it. Yeah, but she proved to me that Puerto
Speaker 1: Ricans are black and black people are it's the same.
Speaker 3: Latino culture for the most part, is African culture, like
Speaker 3: the food, the music.
Speaker 1: And shortly.
Speaker 5: I never deny that.
Speaker 6: When you ever see people that get in an argument
Speaker 6: like so as, I would get into and argument with
Speaker 6: my black friends either like you're black and I'm like,
Speaker 6: you're fucking right with you. I know about roots, you know,
Speaker 6: I know my roots. What the fuck I mean?
Speaker 5: I'm looking, but I understand.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But by the way, how dope is hip hop?
Speaker 1: Because you know hip hop? Hip hop is smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you listened, I know some dumb motherfuckers out there.
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about the dumb motherfuckers. We're talking about
Speaker 1: the smart motherfuckers. But yes, I liked what you said earlier.
Speaker 1: You was like, Yo, I'm a proud Puerto Weecan. And
Speaker 1: one thing that I knew about being proud to be
Speaker 1: something that doesn't mean you anti anything else. You could
Speaker 1: be pro Porto Weecan without being anti anything. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: am pro black, but I'm not anti white, right, I'm
Speaker 1: pro perto weecan, but I'm not anti Cuban.
Speaker 5: Well sometimes you talk.
Speaker 1: You're talking about but so what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is so many people be offended sometimes. But again, let's
Speaker 1: let's just have a quick time with slive.
Speaker 5: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's go do Before we go on this point, we
Speaker 3: always have to ask ourselves who benefits off the division?
Speaker 3: Because this is the thing that I always think about.
Speaker 3: Early hip hop was was a mix. You know, it
Speaker 3: was it was everybody was there if you were living
Speaker 3: under those conditions that hip white people. I mean, you
Speaker 3: could tell me you can come.
Speaker 6: Literally, Italy was just three literally, that's this, It's just
Speaker 6: three blocks away.
Speaker 3: So fast forward, hip hop becomes this humongous commodity, this
Speaker 3: this money making machine. Then it's picked up by the
Speaker 3: music industry, which discards what doesn't make money musically, the
Speaker 3: other stuff in hip hop, the important stuff in hip hop,
Speaker 3: and starts to make money off of it. Then all
Speaker 3: this division, like who profits off of the division? And
Speaker 3: to say you're not a part of it, You're not
Speaker 3: a part of it. You didn't do this, you didn't
Speaker 3: do that, And that's what we should all think about
Speaker 3: at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Because it's like what you were saying when I was
Speaker 1: watching in the interviews, you was going through the same
Speaker 1: thing that I was going through. You there's people coming
Speaker 1: up to you saying, why are you playing this this
Speaker 1: jungle music? They call it jungle bunny, jingle bunny music,
Speaker 1: jungle money music. So I imagine you dealt with this
Speaker 1: way more than me and EFN.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you deal with nobody understood it was.
Speaker 6: It wasn't what it is now that it was just
Speaker 6: something the only that the young community knew about and understood.
Speaker 3: But imagine how dangerous the older generation wasn't accepting of it.
Speaker 3: But now you have this young generation that's uniting under
Speaker 3: this culture. How powerful is that become? And how scary
Speaker 3: to whatever powers that be. Not to get into conspiracy,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like you divide and conquer, you
Speaker 3: can you can monetize it. You can divide these people
Speaker 3: and say you're not a part of it. The DJ
Speaker 3: is no longer important, the B boy and the B
Speaker 3: girls are no longer important. Your Fitty's not a part
Speaker 3: of this. Only the rappers and you know all that
Speaker 3: different stuff. You know, this is a long thing. We
Speaker 3: can get into but it's something to think about.
Speaker 5: But that's not where the real danger comes to the division.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to worry.
Speaker 6: About outside the outside sources. It's the internal division that's
Speaker 6: where the problem is. That's the danger stuff here. And
Speaker 6: I always say, why, first of all, rich, rich, real
Speaker 6: wealthy white millionaires. They ain't fighting and they ain't mad.
Speaker 6: So why do we have angry Puerto Rican and black millionaires?
Speaker 6: Why are you all angry billionaires?
Speaker 1: But you got to be bad about right.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is that you know, if if
Speaker 6: you really want to make the change, why don't we
Speaker 6: talk about the real issues here instead of fighting each
Speaker 6: other and trying to create division within us.
Speaker 5: And I don't really engage in device of conversations. I'm
Speaker 5: not giving you.
Speaker 6: A platform for you to to to try to create
Speaker 6: more division. I mean, we got more import these like
Speaker 6: for example, why didn't we coin the phrase hip hop?
Speaker 5: Why is why are other people trying to register the
Speaker 5: name and that we coin? Why didn't Why didn't we
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 6: Why is it that we don't have more Latino and
Speaker 6: black owned businesses within the industry. Let's talk about that,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying? Why is it that we
Speaker 6: don't own hip hop. Everybody else is trying to own
Speaker 6: hip hop. I'll give you an example. Look at all
Speaker 6: these shows that are coming up. They have the titles
Speaker 6: hip hop in it. They're only they only have the
Speaker 6: title hip hop in it because they know that that's.
Speaker 5: What's going to exactly. That word is powerful.
Speaker 6: Right, how many how many mcs did you see on shows?
Speaker 6: Right now? When you see this show, it's nothing but
Speaker 6: hip it ain't it is not really hip hop when
Speaker 6: you take away the turntables from the stage. Right, those
Speaker 6: are the real issues that we should be focusing on.
Speaker 6: These are the things that we need to come together
Speaker 6: with to help create more well wealth and more businesses
Speaker 6: for people.
Speaker 5: We own that.
Speaker 6: That's our We've sacrificed a lot for that. So why
Speaker 6: are we fighting against each other. I'm not with that, man,
Speaker 6: and don't. I don't give it a platform. I don't
Speaker 6: give it any credence. I don't I stay away from
Speaker 6: all of that. Man. You know how many times they
Speaker 6: try to Obviously people make it negative comments on I don't
Speaker 6: even respond. I'm like, you don't even exist, But just
Speaker 6: you know, move move on.
Speaker 1: I want one of Charlie Chase shirts.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you said, can you give me the bad?
Speaker 11: Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Got you, I got you that she looks so good
Speaker 1: and you got the Puerto Rican thing on to turn
Speaker 1: to my slip map. I'm sorry if and if he
Speaker 1: only has the one, I'm taking it.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: Actually actually texting, I was like, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna play a game on our show. It's
Speaker 1: called Quick Time with Slo Guys. Can you can you
Speaker 1: explain this rules? Like how poor explaining? You never explained it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you two choices. This is our drinking game,
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 6: Okay, I've seen it. You're notorious with this.
Speaker 3: So you you know you get two choices. You pick
Speaker 3: one you don't drink, We don't drink. I'm give you
Speaker 3: the second prob one you don't. If you say both,
Speaker 3: you say you don't want to choose like you say both.
Speaker 6: Flash this Scram Joe's Up Dirt interview.
Speaker 5: He was better than.
Speaker 6: Wait so month.
Speaker 1: By the way, Scram was a joy too. Was gonna
Speaker 1: throw but at the beginning he loved he loved it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna start. Okay, all right, you got the
Speaker 1: first one by the way. I just want you to
Speaker 1: know me and E f N do not make these questions.
Speaker 1: The Columbia, we got the United Nations. We have every
Speaker 1: race here, so you know, but this is a fucking
Speaker 1: great question. I don't know which one of them came
Speaker 1: up with this one. Cool Heirk oh Graandmaster Flash.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1: Okay, please cool herk okay.
Speaker 5: He saved my life one day, physically physically saved.
Speaker 1: We need to hear it, all right.
Speaker 6: We were having the thirty ninth, thirty eight, thirty ninth.
Speaker 5: Anniversary of the Cold Crush Brothers.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: We had a downtown on Canal Street. The opening app
Speaker 6: was the Roots and they weren't even known yet. There
Speaker 6: weren't no Roots, said the Roots. They were the opening app.
Speaker 6: We didn't know them. I get there now. Throughout the
Speaker 6: day I was not feeling well. I was in in
Speaker 6: these pains.
Speaker 5: So I get there. I'm on the Sage was setting
Speaker 5: up the equipment.
Speaker 6: I'm feeling worse now by this time it's evening, I'm
Speaker 6: feeling worse. I saw Questlove behind me setting up. You know,
Speaker 6: we introduced ourselves and everything, and I got I got
Speaker 6: really sick and I went to the back of the
Speaker 6: green room. Right and back there was DST Cool Herk.
Speaker 6: There were a lot of I mean for our anniversary,
Speaker 6: A lot of people showed up, so they were The
Speaker 6: room was filled with a lot of celebrities and stuff.
Speaker 6: Right at this point, I'm on the sofa, bent over
Speaker 6: and pain. I'm in pain and pain. Wow, and and
Speaker 6: DST says what's wrong with him? And somebody say, I
Speaker 6: don't know, man, he's in pain right now. And and
Speaker 6: and tone was like, yo, you think you're gonna be
Speaker 6: able to go on? I said, I want you, but
Speaker 6: I can't. I'm listening too much pain. And he says, yo,
Speaker 6: we need to rush him.
Speaker 5: To the hospital.
Speaker 6: Herk threw me in his car, drove me lightning speed
Speaker 6: all the way up to the Bronx.
Speaker 5: To mart.
Speaker 6: Because I said, I didn't want to go to this
Speaker 6: hospital in Manhattan. I want to be by my house, okay,
Speaker 6: So he drove me all the way to Martha Field.
Speaker 6: He dropped me off for the emergency room. I get there,
Speaker 6: I'm bent the room pain. The doctor comes over and
Speaker 6: examines me. Thirty seconds later, we got to take him
Speaker 6: to the emergency room. It's his appendix and it might rupture.
Speaker 6: They had to run me in After that, the doctor
Speaker 6: told me, you're look at you. He says, maybe another
Speaker 6: hour so you wouldn't be talking to me.
Speaker 5: So Herk respect to her, fut, that's my brother, man.
Speaker 5: He saved my life.
Speaker 6: Everybody else was your concerned, no doubt, but Herk was like, fuck.
Speaker 6: He threw me in a car and he took me
Speaker 6: all the way up to.
Speaker 1: The hospital to be asking you something because we had
Speaker 1: Legs up here. And this is the first time I ever,
Speaker 1: ever ever heard anybody say this. Crazy Legs was kind
Speaker 1: of like, Hirk wasn't the first person to play hip hop?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if he said to play hip hop, but.
Speaker 3: He kind of like he says that he says that
Speaker 3: party wasn't necessarily the date, which he kind of said
Speaker 3: in the beginning, wasn't the date that started hip hop
Speaker 3: necessarily right?
Speaker 1: And I thought I was going to receive three thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred four million calls what the fuck? And I
Speaker 1: want to be honest, Charley Chase, I didn't get that
Speaker 1: one phone call right. Not one person said Crazy Legs
Speaker 1: is lying.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, nobody did you.
Speaker 1: This is our first time we've been talking about, right.
Speaker 5: I thought it was gonna we were gonna get I.
Speaker 4: Thought I was going to be whose he was gone,
Speaker 4: and I think, to be exactly said the party is
Speaker 4: terms of the day, and that there was other DJs
Speaker 4: around that before he was saying what he was doing already.
Speaker 5: That's what he kind of more or less said.
Speaker 1: I definitely need your opinion on that.
Speaker 5: Well, Okay, it all depends.
Speaker 6: I guess everybody understood the context that Crazy Legs was
Speaker 6: putting it in, right, Okay, I can get that. I
Speaker 6: can kind of see where he's coming from for that,
Speaker 6: because there are questions not taking anyway and anything away
Speaker 6: from her because he did what he did when he started,
Speaker 6: and that's the point that everybody knows that. Everybody.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like a record comes out.
Speaker 6: Everybody knows the popular version, but nobody really heard the
Speaker 6: joint underground version. Right. So I wasn't there. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I know people that were there. If I wish
Speaker 6: my business partner was here because he knows he can
Speaker 6: speak to this. When the gangs were fighting and Bambarda
Speaker 6: was the one who younfied the gangs, right, he was
Speaker 6: playing music for them at the time he was, he
Speaker 6: was ready in detaining them doing this and this is
Speaker 6: pre pre uh uh cool Herk, right, So I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I think that's what maybe Crazy Legs might be
Speaker 6: referring to.
Speaker 5: And I've heard these things. So it's really hard.
Speaker 6: That's why I said earlier, it's really hard to put
Speaker 6: a start date on anything because the culture was always there.
Speaker 1: So wait, so I respect based on what you're saying.
Speaker 3: So would it be that someone could could say Van
Speaker 3: Boda would have been that figure that we're giving to
Speaker 3: cool Herk.
Speaker 6: It could have been. It could have been, but you'd
Speaker 6: have to I guess Crazy Legs would have to elaborate
Speaker 6: more on that. I can't. I can't really speak on
Speaker 6: it because I only hear things and I can't without
Speaker 6: more information. I can't make an educational decision on that,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. But it isn't It's an
Speaker 6: interesting point, you know, And and again, I mean, the
Speaker 6: culture was already bubbling up before before Herk was. People
Speaker 6: were already dressing the way they were dressing and doing
Speaker 6: what they weren You can't take nothing away from Herk
Speaker 6: Herku is Herky did what he did, you know, everybody.
Speaker 6: He had to hear the HERCULEOICD sound system. Bigger than Life.
Speaker 6: They called him Hurt because he was bigger than life.
Speaker 6: But you know, when I met her, he was a
Speaker 6: big dude. I mean, you know, you can't take anything
Speaker 6: away from Hurt, but you can't take anything from bad
Speaker 6: Body either.
Speaker 1: The last time you smoke a Blunt's I wanted to see.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see if you before four Years did you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you were in the movie, or
Speaker 3: have you watched rerubble Kings. I think I might have.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure it sounds familiar.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I just I wanted to know if you did,
Speaker 3: because I actually I didn't.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go back and watch because I.
Speaker 3: Tell people people ask me, you know, they want to
Speaker 3: know more about the history of hip hop, and I
Speaker 3: feel like that dog because it predates, it goes before
Speaker 3: hip hop. It's like talking about the Bronx and New
Speaker 3: York in that era in the in the late sixties,
Speaker 3: and it goes slowly into hip hop. I wanted to
Speaker 3: see if you thought that was a good film, to
Speaker 3: kind of like explain.
Speaker 1: I didn't even see that.
Speaker 5: It's a great movie. Rebel, Rubble rubble Kings, the Rumble Kings.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I was it Rumble or rubbles Rubble Is
Speaker 6: it Rubble rubble Kings, Rubble Kings. I saw it, and
Speaker 6: I don't remember a lot of it, man, because it
Speaker 6: was a while.
Speaker 3: Because I talked about that that that funk band, I
Speaker 3: think the.
Speaker 6: Gangs and and yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you get a chance to watch it,
Speaker 3: hit me on the side and tell me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems pretty I'm gonna watch it. So let
Speaker 1: me ask you how much cocaine was involved back then?
Speaker 5: I did it.
Speaker 6: He's like cocaine or what I probably did enough cocaine
Speaker 6: to kill. Tell elephants, you guys are hell coke.
Speaker 1: And diego cocaine. Right, you have to talk about cocaine
Speaker 1: looking you know, like yo, they cocaine. Everyone who may
Speaker 1: cocaine back then looks great.
Speaker 6: Now he got collagen and.
Speaker 1: Cocaine.
Speaker 5: Cocaine experience started.
Speaker 6: And he hates when I say this, DJ Breakout, DJ
Speaker 6: Breakout from the four. He was the one that gave
Speaker 6: me my first hit of cocaine at the Ecstasy Ga
Speaker 6: Garage in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: The Exstasy Garage yeah.
Speaker 6: It was it was me we we we we were
Speaker 6: playing at the excess CI garage.
Speaker 1: Did you have ecstasy to No?
Speaker 5: I never with that anyway.
Speaker 6: But so I go to the bathroom, right, and Tony
Speaker 6: to follows me because we gotta go and break.
Speaker 5: I was in there and he was taking to hit
Speaker 5: a cocaine and.
Speaker 6: I was curious because I had already people seen I've
Speaker 6: seen them taking cocaine, and I was like, what does
Speaker 6: that do?
Speaker 5: Because it was you heard white lines?
Speaker 1: This time was white Line started.
Speaker 6: This is the time of when Curtis Look came out
Speaker 6: with crystals wrap.
Speaker 5: So I was I'm like, how does it feeling? And
Speaker 5: he's like, you never took it?
Speaker 6: I said no, He says here, So I took a
Speaker 6: here bum right, and not a few ship So I said,
Speaker 6: he says, here, take another one, and I still didn't.
Speaker 5: Right, don't take another one.
Speaker 1: I go back to DJ.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell is going on? Tony?
Speaker 5: Tone Yo, slow down?
Speaker 6: You know? He says, slow down.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're not on beat?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean. I don't know how to
Speaker 6: tell you that break our health hae. But I include
Speaker 6: him in this way. But it's the truth. He was
Speaker 6: the first to give it to me. Now, fast forward, Bro,
Speaker 6: growing up in the business, and people loved me and
Speaker 6: they were doing it.
Speaker 5: But like, yo, you're the fucking ship, yo.
Speaker 6: You know, like here bro lick.
Speaker 5: And I never paid for it for years and years
Speaker 5: and years and years.
Speaker 6: Bro to the point where I was doing it like crazy, Yo, I.
Speaker 1: Was go yo.
Speaker 5: But at one point it got really serious.
Speaker 6: It was like now it's like now now I'm starting
Speaker 6: to buy it because now I'm feeling like I want
Speaker 6: to have it. It makes them feel good, and it
Speaker 6: got it got a lot of control for me.
Speaker 5: Man, it did.
Speaker 6: But fast forward last September, fifteen years clean me.
Speaker 5: You know what, that's an accomplishment for me, Bro on
Speaker 5: your own to go through any kind of PODT.
Speaker 6: I had some accountability brothers that they were there and.
Speaker 5: Helped me out.
Speaker 6: Man, it wasn't for them, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have
Speaker 6: probably been able to make the journey. But yeah, fifteen
Speaker 6: years now, Clean han't messed with. I still drink, you know.
Speaker 6: But the funny thing with me is that I always
Speaker 6: thought that the cocaine was started to drink because I
Speaker 6: used to drink mad Heinekens, and it was the other
Speaker 6: way around.
Speaker 5: It was the Heinnikans that were making me.
Speaker 6: So now you know, I stopped the blow and now
Speaker 6: I just take a drink, a tool, whatever, and I'm
Speaker 6: good man, no more god damn yeah. Yeah, but the
Speaker 6: drugs will be instrumental.
Speaker 1: Bro in the eighties, right, and eighties were a blur.
Speaker 1: The eighties are a blur. Bro.
Speaker 5: Look in Wilstar, who was it?
Speaker 1: That is it?
Speaker 5: Busy be?
Speaker 6: That's yes in the movie.
Speaker 1: I was like when I remember watching, oh oh, he's yeah,
Speaker 1: we're happening. I forgot this war.
Speaker 5: When he goes back with the chicks right in the
Speaker 5: limo in the room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're taking cocaine and the high champagne.
Speaker 1: They're in the room.
Speaker 6: He's shaping his money into b It was crazy that
Speaker 6: film that we could talk about it.
Speaker 5: We get into the Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Hold on, we'll get back to it. Hold on ready,
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, you got the next one.
Speaker 5: Grandmaster Kaz or Almighty KG. Come on, man, Grandmaster Caz
Speaker 5: hands down.
Speaker 1: Brother makes noise to Grandma.
Speaker 5: Besides listen, I'm I'm biased man, that's my brother.
Speaker 1: Nobody is ever that's the word I've been trying to
Speaker 1: use all that right.
Speaker 6: I'm by that's that's my brother to me. He is
Speaker 6: the best I ever did it. Think about this for
Speaker 6: a second. Kazh wrote, you know he's the ghost rider
Speaker 6: on Rapper's Delight.
Speaker 5: He wrote that he was sixteen years old, but he
Speaker 5: was unwillingly the ghost writer, right right.
Speaker 6: He wrote that verse all the big banks hecks Hanks
Speaker 6: verse I not record when he was sixteen. Come on,
Speaker 6: it's right, cas is genius, gas Is I think the
Speaker 6: only MC that I've ever met that can flip the
Speaker 6: script on anything. You need, something, you need, something that's
Speaker 6: going to fit a white audience, He'll do it in
Speaker 6: and all you do give him a second a heartbeat,
Speaker 6: I said, okay, jes, let's go any crowd anything.
Speaker 5: Cash is the man.
Speaker 6: And I'm biased, But because bro right, I've dealt with greatness.
Speaker 6: I've worked with me, I heard this about I've worked
Speaker 6: with I worked with Mail, I worked with cast Jo.
Speaker 5: You know they're all three bad, but cast of me.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: It's that's my point.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Cass still smoke a lot of marijuana.
Speaker 1: Broke we had in right hair. He kept rolling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's all right, boom okay, cut you got the next one.
Speaker 5: The eighties or nineties.
Speaker 6: Hip hope because because they had they had the more
Speaker 6: jazzy flow he had, and that by then it was
Speaker 6: established they had that thing, you know, something more the.
Speaker 5: Graph the eighties, when you hear the music, it was we.
Speaker 6: Were still finding our way. We were still trying to
Speaker 6: find a way. The record labels didn't even catch on
Speaker 6: until eighty three, eighty two. Maybe you know we were
Speaker 6: we were signed.
Speaker 5: To CBS Rush or CBS Associated.
Speaker 3: Look at that, we're damn near label mates. We started
Speaker 3: with CBS Radio for the podcast.
Speaker 6: Right, we were the first hip hop group they signed,
Speaker 6: and they didn't know how to marketers, they didn't know
Speaker 6: how to owner, they didn't know what they hell to
Speaker 6: do with us.
Speaker 5: They're finally with us.
Speaker 6: And then finally when they got to handle they showed us.
Speaker 6: They said, okay, now that we got a right, let's
Speaker 6: bringing us some new blood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, real quick, I'm that one saying the nineties,
Speaker 3: you don't think the late eighties like if you were
Speaker 3: to be able to change the because I feel like
Speaker 3: the rock Kims and the kras Is in the Big
Speaker 3: dadication to me, So late eighties going into the early
Speaker 3: nineties to me would be.
Speaker 6: That right, it's sweet spot. When it comes to timelines,
Speaker 6: I'm always fucking this is the over music.
Speaker 5: But to me the time I was always always get blurred.
Speaker 6: But yes, if you if you really look at it
Speaker 6: from like rock Him on up, that's when when really
Speaker 6: things rock Him changed. He says he changed the game
Speaker 6: and from there on, yes, you know, so I always
Speaker 6: consider that to me, it was always nineties because it
Speaker 6: still had that feel to it to me.
Speaker 5: Next one run DMC or Treachers three.
Speaker 6: Treacher's three, And I'll tell you not because of my boys,
Speaker 6: not because they thought it well, we put the Churchers
Speaker 6: three was a bad motherfucking group, not taking anything away
Speaker 6: from from DMC.
Speaker 5: Have you you've never seen them perform live?
Speaker 6: Turchers?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: When I first saw the Churches three performed was at
Speaker 6: the Ecstasy Garage, right, the house was.
Speaker 1: Passed, definitely, we were definitely.
Speaker 6: No doubt. They came on and they did super rapping right, No,
Speaker 6: I mean not super rapid. Call the Churches three well,
Speaker 6: I forgot the name of the of the song. It
Speaker 6: was on the other side of Spoony G's Love Wrap.
Speaker 6: Now another one something Something and they did that continuous
Speaker 6: back to back machine gun when I'm the super popping
Speaker 6: no was rocking nigga.
Speaker 5: And they just kept going and going and going and
Speaker 5: going and going.
Speaker 6: Now stop for almost eight minutes. I had never seen
Speaker 6: a group do that in my freaking life. They they've
Speaker 6: The skill that those brothers have is incredible. They was cohesive,
Speaker 6: they were together and they were on point.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: It's like run DMC. No, I ain't they have their
Speaker 6: own m DJ You d m C DJ right?
Speaker 5: Who me? No DMC DJ?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? I thought you was DMC DJ.
Speaker 1: I told you who he goes on the road. It
Speaker 1: brings you the what d m C right? You don't
Speaker 1: DJ from no? No, holy shit. Steve le Belle told
Speaker 1: us a lot DMC.
Speaker 5: Do you mean DJ DMC?
Speaker 1: No, fucking Steve Bell, you live me.
Speaker 5: They're from my friends, but I never DJ for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, damn man. He told me that earlier.
Speaker 6: Now. I love run DMC because they give us mad props.
Speaker 6: They give us nothing but props in love and d
Speaker 6: m C.
Speaker 5: When we had him on the show.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he made me laugh. Bro hispanic he was he
Speaker 12: was Dominican for how many two minutes, like two years?
Speaker 12: Two years he was Dominican.
Speaker 3: That goes to show you why none of that really
Speaker 3: matters at the end of the day. Yes, okay, break
Speaker 3: dancing a graffiti. Yes, remember you can say both of
Speaker 3: us are drinking games.
Speaker 1: You see.
Speaker 5: You know I know it is.
Speaker 6: You can give me questions that I can answer that,
Speaker 6: all right, Okay, Now, I love graffiti, but I was
Speaker 6: never I never had the eye for the art. So
Speaker 6: sometimes I will see graffiti and you got me doing
Speaker 6: this to try to figure out the way he's.
Speaker 5: Written, what it's saying or whatever.
Speaker 6: Although I love the colors, I love the way they
Speaker 6: structure everything, I was never able to really get into
Speaker 6: it because I always had a hard time reading the graph.
Speaker 6: So B Boy was more into it because remember Charlie
Speaker 6: Chase started as a bee boy DJ. You understand when
Speaker 6: I finally got acclimated with the beads and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Before you were part of Cold Crush, I was plinging
Speaker 5: when the team parked the park.
Speaker 6: Across the streets from there were bee boys always showing
Speaker 6: up and representing. So the B Boy man, you know,
Speaker 6: that's a strong that's strong love in the heart man
Speaker 6: makes way back.
Speaker 1: I respect that.
Speaker 5: Say the next one Red Alert or kid Capri Okay
Speaker 5: two people?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but you should not remember you're posing
Speaker 6: this question to somebody who has a I know you are,
Speaker 6: but you're talking to somebody who has an emotional attachment
Speaker 6: to some of these people that you're talking to. Alert.
Speaker 6: I know Redd Alert what he used to have a
Speaker 6: nineteen inch red ass affle like this before he was
Speaker 6: really he was a DJ, but he really wasn't known
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 1: Part of part.
Speaker 5: I think it was the cosmic force of cosmic cruise
Speaker 5: something like that. I've known him since.
Speaker 6: Then, you know, and he was always the brother that
Speaker 6: he is today, always loving, always welcoming, always you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's my brother man. I you know, we
Speaker 6: still talk, We call each other, make sure we're good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has to be read Alert man Oka, jam
Speaker 5: Messa J or Eric B.
Speaker 6: That would have to be jam Master J. Because jam
Speaker 6: Master everyby I met him maybe once or twice.
Speaker 5: We spoke Coop.
Speaker 6: I mean, I never have anything bad to say about
Speaker 6: anything because they all showed me so much love and respect.
Speaker 5: Jam Master J. I have a bit of a connection too, because.
Speaker 6: We worked on that album, The Godfather's a Threat that
Speaker 6: we were on and Chuck d was the producer.
Speaker 5: He brought us on.
Speaker 6: Jam Mester j came to our house because Cas and
Speaker 6: I were living together. We had an apartment downtown. He
Speaker 6: came to the house, he sat down with spoke with us.
Speaker 6: Hey said, I got up, Well, we want to do
Speaker 6: this project. We want to come in. I want to
Speaker 6: bring the cold question and stuff. So we went and
Speaker 6: we did that project. We became friends. We were tired.
Speaker 6: He told me about the whole thing, the DM the
Speaker 6: run DMC experienced, how we you know, how we inspired
Speaker 6: them and all that. So, you know, I kind of
Speaker 6: and then after they passed away, that really kind of
Speaker 6: you know, it's maybe morbid to say, but it kind
Speaker 6: of reinforced that with me and him, you know, because
Speaker 6: I knew the brother man, you know.
Speaker 2: B Street or wild Style, Wild Style. I don't know
Speaker 2: that he's gonna drink.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, yeah, he ain't drinking at all.
Speaker 6: You know what, just for you nor.
Speaker 5: You've got to get something.
Speaker 6: I guess that's the major rule.
Speaker 1: We don't anything.
Speaker 3: We'll have or Big Daddy kne He text me racket Okay.
Speaker 5: I love them both. They those are my brothers.
Speaker 6: Or Kane, but big Daddy Kane, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: it's a joke between myself and Kane. I always call
Speaker 6: him the seventh Cold Crush brother because he tells me
Speaker 6: the story about how he used to escape from his
Speaker 6: house at night to come to see us perform at
Speaker 6: Harleward when he was a young teenager. He would come
Speaker 6: to see us perform, and he loved us. And one
Speaker 6: time he escaped, he got back home and his father
Speaker 6: was waiting for him beat the livery shit out of him.
Speaker 6: And I was like, you're kidding me, Like, nah, man,
Speaker 6: this is I love y'all. And he always he always
Speaker 6: loved having a surround.
Speaker 5: He always likes you know.
Speaker 6: He always he asked me to perform with them one
Speaker 6: time and and and I mean that's Daddy Cane, his
Speaker 6: down man.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's my brother. Man. I know him for
Speaker 5: Soldos for so long.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, you know him before he had the
Speaker 1: cuts and the ship. Yeah, I ain't gonna lot.
Speaker 6: When he was signed of Cold Chilling, you know, when
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 1: A young ship. Yeah, DJ Clue or funk Flex.
Speaker 6: Flex because I never met Clue. Okay, I worked with why.
Speaker 5: Me and Flex were DJing together at w b l S.
Speaker 5: Yeah for about Easier and I.
Speaker 1: Love Clue that's my brother. But DJ mister Flex is
Speaker 1: the greatest radio DJ of all time. I got it.
Speaker 6: He reminds you of that too.
Speaker 1: I dropping the record. I don't need him to fit.
Speaker 1: I'm not. That's not what I'm doing this for. I'm
Speaker 1: doing this because this is the real that like I
Speaker 1: sincerely enjoy listening to the funk Master Flex on the radio.
Speaker 1: I sincerely enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the shout out Tolue in Flex Man
Speaker 3: and cluse my brother that's on the mixtape.
Speaker 1: Tip from the mixtape bor Revolution, the legendary. Come on,
Speaker 1: we know that he may he helped. He helped me
Speaker 1: my career, that clue. Thank you to w b l
Speaker 1: S or kiss FM b LS.
Speaker 6: Because I worked at BLS, got to meet I got
Speaker 6: to meet Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 5: Freaking wow, Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, when I started DJing at
Speaker 6: w b LS, Gonna make You.
Speaker 5: Sweat Everybody Dance Now came out.
Speaker 6: I had the first copy. I played it on the air,
Speaker 6: nobody heard it and the freaking red phone went off.
Speaker 6: Frankie Crocker put me on the Lady b was on
Speaker 6: the air, she was the air personality inside for She said, Yo,
Speaker 6: Frankie wants to talk to you.
Speaker 5: He says, Yo, what is that record?
Speaker 6: Who is that record? I told him this is and
Speaker 6: he said, Yo, we got to add this. So you know,
Speaker 6: I got it that I feels, you know, I met Frankie.
Speaker 6: Frankie Crocker is a legends, a total black experience in sound.
Speaker 1: That's what I worked with.
Speaker 5: Man, all right, DJ Premiere, Pete Rock.
Speaker 1: Take a shot.
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to win that one. I don't
Speaker 5: have a shot.
Speaker 6: Cheers, cheers, Premiere, Mamajuana. I met Premiere through Guru a
Speaker 6: friends peace, great dud. We were not a friends and we
Speaker 6: we we we we we were cool and we will
Speaker 6: hang out.
Speaker 5: I brought him to a couple of Cold Crush recording sessions.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: Wow, he came and hung out with us. That's how
Speaker 6: I met Premiere Premiere. I met him like listen, man,
Speaker 6: the thing about me and hip hop and the co
Speaker 6: christ to include you, gotta include them. I have been
Speaker 6: to countries where I have never been to in my life.
Speaker 6: And as soon as I get off the plane. I
Speaker 6: have friends, right, you know what I'm saying, and I
Speaker 6: and and that has always been with the hip hop community.
Speaker 6: Like all these guys, they they always tell it. Man,
Speaker 6: if it wasn't for you guys, you guys are inspired us.
Speaker 6: I get that from everybody. You throwing aim at me,
Speaker 6: and they've probably said that to me. Promia was that,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But now Pee Rock right,
Speaker 6: that's my mayor. So Pee Rock and I have been
Speaker 6: friends for many, many, many many years and never met
Speaker 6: until last summer. Forgot over a decade here and I've
Speaker 6: been friends talking on the phone, texting, social media, and
Speaker 6: we never met until last year when we did that
Speaker 6: thing for Flash. That's what we actually finally shook hands,
Speaker 6: embraced talk, kind of chapped it up for a minute
Speaker 6: and went that with that, What.
Speaker 1: Did you think about the jay Z line, I'm over
Speaker 1: charging people for what they did to the Cold Crush.
Speaker 5: Only he undercharged the Cold Crush.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Why didn't we get a check?
Speaker 6: Why don't we work? He said, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Want any money.
Speaker 6: I want to work.
Speaker 1: Let me do something for you, man. It was it
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get mad, but I was. I
Speaker 5: was happy for I would but that line is so hard,
Speaker 5: But I was happy we were mentioned by somebody like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying because I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: Because when we cast, I felt like cast didn't he
Speaker 1: was cool with it, but he didn't really love love it.
Speaker 1: But then when I we visited that episode and I
Speaker 1: watched it, I was like, you know what, I think
Speaker 1: he was big and y'all up. We were saying this
Speaker 1: if he.
Speaker 3: Was, I think it was a big Yeah, it was,
Speaker 3: and he was using you guys as an example as
Speaker 3: an example that it was was underpaid at a certain time.
Speaker 5: He was definitely labors. We're taking advantage.
Speaker 3: And he's not gonna he's gonna overcharge for what they
Speaker 3: did to hip hop back then, meaning using.
Speaker 5: And I took it just like that.
Speaker 6: Although a lot of people try to twist it and says, oh,
Speaker 6: he he needed to use a pioneering name to do this,
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: And the other positive side effect is that by mentioning
Speaker 3: Cold Crush directly, any young kid that's never heard the
Speaker 3: Cold Crushing is listening to the song, is going to
Speaker 3: now go in and do their googles and learn about
Speaker 3: Cold Crush and learn about hip hop history.
Speaker 5: Right, it was only a plus for us. It was
Speaker 5: only because you.
Speaker 6: Know, we never had hit records. You can't remember a
Speaker 6: record that was ever because we did it. But our
Speaker 6: show was so impressive, so off the top or over
Speaker 6: the top and crazy that it was memorable. Man, people
Speaker 6: looked at us, and we want to do that.
Speaker 1: You know your TV raps or video music box, video
Speaker 1: music gonna say that.
Speaker 5: Of course I need to yo, that's all.
Speaker 1: Whatever you have, absolutely, of course, man, Uncle Ralph cars
Speaker 1: one on rock Him take a shot. So don't lead
Speaker 1: the witness. I can't lead the witness. I'm sorry, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Cales want to rock Him?
Speaker 6: I love I love rock Him. I love them both.
Speaker 6: So that's a hard one. Yeah, but I love them.
Speaker 1: But you from the Bronx, are you gonna.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no no.
Speaker 6: That's a hormor for me because I love rock Him style.
Speaker 5: I met him, we we immediately clipped.
Speaker 6: We were friends, you know, And I like I like
Speaker 6: the teacher because he come on, he he'll say things that.
Speaker 5: You never thought about. Is crazy. The way the clarity
Speaker 5: he brings, the things that you've always never.
Speaker 6: Thought about is incredible. So it's hard man, So you
Speaker 6: know I got good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, by the way I need Jamie got I
Speaker 1: spilled the one by mistake's point. But let me just
Speaker 1: tell you, hold on, wait, let me tell you how
Speaker 1: good care rest one? Is? He hurt my childhood?
Speaker 5: What the.
Speaker 1: Bridges? And he's still my favorite rapper? How is this
Speaker 1: even he spilled the shot? Okay, so how does that
Speaker 1: even work? Like he hurt my he hurt me because
Speaker 1: you couldn't deny how great the music critic, how great
Speaker 1: he was?
Speaker 6: The k r Rist is such a powerful performer. We
Speaker 6: did sello. We did the show called Old School throw
Speaker 6: Down three okay, where the promoter was Tyron Williams from
Speaker 6: Coaching and Records. Wow right okay, And they were pitting
Speaker 6: old groups that battled in the day and knew it
Speaker 6: groups and created battles and it was the Old School Throwdown.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me Shannon and Krris one right, that was
Speaker 1: part of the battle. Shann got new TeV out here.
Speaker 3: Ye had to go check out Shan talking about the
Speaker 3: Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shannon is talking about Drake. He kills on the
Speaker 1: social media swinter grab and he.
Speaker 5: Going into it like, I mean, this is the when
Speaker 5: it was all going down. He threw it and I
Speaker 5: was like, yes, shit, I want to watch it. And
Speaker 5: I'm rested.
Speaker 6: Ship.
Speaker 1: I forgot because I stopped following everybody at one point,
Speaker 1: so I forgot. I gotta refollows. I have to refollow him.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So when we did that concert the Old School
Speaker 6: door on three, they had us battling the Furious and
Speaker 6: then the Fields far was battling another group. Is so
Speaker 6: Shan with KRS one and so forth right, So Kris
Speaker 6: one was the closer, right, everybody did their shows. The
Speaker 6: place it was at Madison Square Garden in the in
Speaker 6: the in the paramount. It was called the Panamm three
Speaker 6: at the time. I don't know what it is now,
Speaker 6: but the six thousand seater.
Speaker 1: Got it, the smaller version of the right.
Speaker 6: Yes capacity, yes, yes, Shan did his thing. And when
Speaker 6: they announced KRS one and he stepped on that only
Speaker 6: did with he's such a show. I thought matisonsquir Garden
Speaker 6: was going to come down like in an earthquake.
Speaker 5: The people went banana the shape the present and then
Speaker 5: he'll speak my will be boy on stays away.
Speaker 6: He didn't even say a word, and he just completely
Speaker 6: almost shut the whole thing down. Man, that's the power.
Speaker 6: Chares one, no, Kris one.
Speaker 1: We need him back. We need him back for sure.
Speaker 1: N w a Wu Tang clan.
Speaker 8: Okay, you need to stop, man, I need to stop.
Speaker 8: He's not leading me this. Man, he's not leading me
Speaker 8: because already you know you're.
Speaker 6: Asking me questions that I can ask. It would have
Speaker 6: to be it would have to be w Tang. And
Speaker 6: I'll tell you why I love this.
Speaker 5: I know. I met the Wu Tang before they.
Speaker 6: Started making records through uh gizz Gizzo used to be
Speaker 6: the Genius.
Speaker 5: When he was signed to.
Speaker 6: Right Tarron Williams had asked me to edit. I used
Speaker 6: to do a lot of editing because I used to
Speaker 6: work for Sleeping Back Records and they're editing because I
Speaker 6: was the manager doing the editing for them up there.
Speaker 6: So Tarro knew this and he had asked me to
Speaker 6: edit a record. Call do me by the Genius. So
Speaker 6: I edited the record. I met Genius. He was matt cool.
Speaker 6: You know, he thanked me for working on his rekingd
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. So there was yeah, absolutely, so
Speaker 6: we were at this place where they used to dupe records,
Speaker 6: I mean dupe cassettes all the time.
Speaker 5: Square there was this building I forgot what it was.
Speaker 6: It was around the corner from where Sleeping Bag and
Speaker 6: Cole Chilling used to be across the street, right there
Speaker 6: around the corner. And I was picking up some tape
Speaker 6: by Tendis because we had some eight ten cold course
Speaker 6: we had a show that night, and Wu Tang the
Speaker 6: whole clique was coming out the building. They were young,
Speaker 6: they were together, the whole all of them were there.
Speaker 6: No you know, and to you, they said, what's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: We met and he said, yo, yo, fellers coming, you
Speaker 6: got to meet this guy. This is Charlie Chase, Mighty
Speaker 6: Cold Christ Brothers. So and so they were like, yoh deal.
Speaker 6: So it's gotta be Wu Tang Man.
Speaker 5: You know what if I met you then then yet
Speaker 5: right right.
Speaker 3: And absolutely both of the such great.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the next one.
Speaker 5: Biggie or Big L. Want to never met Big L.
Speaker 5: Rest in peace to both met Biggie. But this is
Speaker 5: an interesting story.
Speaker 6: I met Biggie at the rock Steady Anniversary party when
Speaker 6: they used to have it downtown in Manhattan. Really back
Speaker 6: in the nineties. Biggie wasn't known, Biggie didn't have a deal.
Speaker 6: You know. It was Biggie Small KG from my group
Speaker 6: was Pigge always had the thing of meeting everybody.
Speaker 5: He was that guy.
Speaker 6: He had a big personal They love the plus he
Speaker 6: was the host at the Underground.
Speaker 5: I was at the Underground all Latin Quarter. That's six
Speaker 5: Street fifty fifty.
Speaker 6: Right, So he had Biggie with him. We were there.
Speaker 5: I was DJing.
Speaker 6: I was DJing for the uh Rock Ctatey anniversary. Can
Speaker 6: you hear what's key? I want to introduce you. Here's
Speaker 6: a new up and coming artist. He's got a deal
Speaker 6: or he's looking for a deal or something. His name
Speaker 6: is Biggie Small's. I meant he was a young kid,
Speaker 6: young kid, yo, what's up? You know yo?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: Respect and the whole ship. That was the only time
Speaker 5: I have got to me.
Speaker 1: He was cool.
Speaker 6: He was man cool.
Speaker 1: He was cool. You know, I mean, everybody has to
Speaker 1: be cool to you.
Speaker 5: Everybody was cool to us.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have to be. But there were
Speaker 1: going to ask this question, was there ever anybody that
Speaker 1: you met that wasn't cool to you? Because by the way,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let's store him under the bus.
Speaker 6: Now, it was nobody that wasn't cool with us. Now,
Speaker 6: if you're gonna, if you're gonna go back to the
Speaker 6: early days, everybody, we were all cool.
Speaker 5: But it was competitive. So it was it was competitive.
Speaker 1: So you say mey Mail wasn't cool? Bully Mail?
Speaker 6: Who was my man?
Speaker 1: I was the DJ.
Speaker 5: I was in DJ for him a year. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, yeah, you didn't.
Speaker 5: Okay, I posted something you look, you gotta go on
Speaker 5: my page and look it out. So here's the story
Speaker 5: behind that.
Speaker 6: Let's go seventy eight, seventy nine, Black Door have broken up?
Speaker 6: Flash and the MC the Furious four.
Speaker 5: Right broke up?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Which Flash talks about it.
Speaker 1: When it broke up, they.
Speaker 6: Didn't they didn't want to go back. I used to
Speaker 6: live in an apartment on the first floor one hundred
Speaker 6: and eightieth and Arth where you couldn't. I used to
Speaker 6: so mixtapes out the window to all the community.
Speaker 5: Car drivers Old Jay's. They all used to come knocking
Speaker 5: to buy myselff.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on because a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: not gonna know what Old J's is.
Speaker 6: Cap Sure the cap sur okay, right?
Speaker 5: And they had to.
Speaker 6: They always had to bang in sound system. So anyway,
Speaker 6: you could come up to my window knock and I
Speaker 6: would open up, like, what's up? I met people won't
Speaker 6: kind of Still, One day there was a knock on
Speaker 6: my window. It was mister Nests, who now is Scorpio,
Speaker 6: mister Ness and k Creole. Now I could be confused,
Speaker 6: because again sometimes things are a blur. I'm sure it
Speaker 6: was Nests. If not, it would have been Combed. But
Speaker 6: I think it was Nests, and Creole said, Yo, man,
Speaker 6: I was surprised to see them knocking on my window,
Speaker 6: you know, like I was pre Col. Course, they weren't
Speaker 6: even together yet.
Speaker 5: We weren't even you guys were together.
Speaker 6: No, we weren't together yet. This was in between seventy seven.
Speaker 6: Colquurtse didn't come together until seventy nine, around seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Eighty and Flashes already left this as the crew. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so let me expect this is where the timeline started
Speaker 3: sucking football.
Speaker 5: I'm now again I'm an old man, but.
Speaker 6: I'm I don't know. Yeah, yeah, Territory, knock on the window, Yo,
Speaker 6: can we come in and talk to ourself?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 6: Come inside, yo, man. We ain't with Flash no more.
Speaker 6: We left Flash, we left back door. We ain't going back.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: What what happened?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 6: Man? You know there was some kind of controversy with
Speaker 6: the money, you know, and all kind of stuff they like,
Speaker 6: So we didn't We didn't want Flashes to get they say,
Speaker 6: Flashers get more money.
Speaker 5: They were claiming that there was a deal between Himan management.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's always some kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Money, always everything up right. So I said, you're the
Speaker 5: only other DJ besides Theodore Flash. We know they can
Speaker 5: cut like that. Would you be o our DJ?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: I had a crew already, you know, a young crew.
Speaker 5: What was the name of your crew? They didn't have
Speaker 5: a name. It was just Charlie Chase.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Tom and Jerry?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it was Jerry.
Speaker 5: It was after Tom and Jerry.
Speaker 1: By way, what's the name Toma Jerry? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And they talk about Graham was the Theodore who they
Speaker 3: were saying the other person was right? And Theirdore was
Speaker 3: a little kid, you know, he was a young kid,
Speaker 3: you know. So so they said we would you be
Speaker 3: our DJ? And I said, hell, your fucking let's do it?
Speaker 5: You know. So there's a tape and you go on
Speaker 5: my page.
Speaker 6: Well, I tell the story, the story behind the story,
Speaker 6: and you hear me cutting up with mel Ryman and
Speaker 6: mel And and mahem Ryman on there right. So I
Speaker 6: I For about the next six months or so, we
Speaker 6: were together. We were DJing, doing what we could, popping
Speaker 6: up in parks when I was with them. Now, going
Speaker 6: back to Tony, tone Tony, Tony and I have many
Speaker 6: accomplishments together. Me and Tony from when I see Tony,
Speaker 6: Tony and I were really the first black Puerto Rican
Speaker 6: duo to do anything to come together. We do. We
Speaker 6: were the ones who do the very first ever.
Speaker 1: Ever drink Champs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Champ High always. So we threw the very
Speaker 6: first MC convention ever. One of the mcs and my
Speaker 6: crew had the idea, his name was r. C. He says, Yo,
Speaker 6: let's why don't we do this. I'm like, Yo, that's
Speaker 6: a fucking genius idea. Let's do it. So me and
Speaker 6: Tony we we we got it together. We do it
Speaker 6: at the Webster one a third p a l up
Speaker 6: in the Bronx. That was the first convention ever. So
Speaker 6: that day the Furies four were supposed no actually it
Speaker 6: was a Fury five because now during the breakup was
Speaker 6: when Raheem left the Funky Four and got came into
Speaker 6: the Furious Five with us, changing their name from the
Speaker 6: Four to the Furious five.
Speaker 5: So now they're the Furious five. They were supposed to
Speaker 5: host They can get very confusing, furious yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So they were supposed to host the battle and
Speaker 6: it was broad capacity. A lot of people showed up
Speaker 6: for this thing, and the Casanovas showed up, and they
Speaker 6: had to talk with them and told them, yo, yo,
Speaker 6: y'all gotta.
Speaker 5: Come back, and they were like, yo, we're going back,
Speaker 5: and they went back, and I wasn't mad about it.
Speaker 6: And then like a few months later or so, you know, uh,
Speaker 6: seventy nine eighty something like that was then when we
Speaker 6: formed the col Christ.
Speaker 5: See you did a couple of gigs with them or
Speaker 5: were you ddaying?
Speaker 6: Like for almost eight months or so, we never did
Speaker 6: any paid gigs, but we were always jamming, right because
Speaker 6: I guess remember at the time they have brought in Rahim,
Speaker 6: I guess they were still trying to get acclimated and
Speaker 6: gets in this stuff. They weren't doing shows like they
Speaker 6: were doing afterward, like when when they got back together
Speaker 6: was when they started doing the bigger shows. Back then,
Speaker 6: we were just jamming. They weren't really doing anything big
Speaker 6: except for high schools and stuff like.
Speaker 5: That, you understand.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so we would jam out go in the parks.
Speaker 6: Like when you see hear the tape that was Enforced
Speaker 6: projects up in the Bronx.
Speaker 5: You know, that's the only recorded that's crazy that's not
Speaker 5: widely known though, no it's not. But the takers, the
Speaker 5: takers to proof.
Speaker 6: You'll hear Melly Mills saying my name, I'm cutting to
Speaker 6: be real by Lynn uh uh Sheryl Lynn.
Speaker 5: I'm cutting that, you know, and and that that happened.
Speaker 5: That adds to your legend, bro.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, so so that they have to be furious five.
Speaker 3: That's though, God damn it, ahead, get the next one.
Speaker 3: Let's see where we're are here, Scarface or ice Cube.
Speaker 5: I like ice Cube. I have to say ice Cub.
Speaker 3: You know why.
Speaker 6: He reminds me so much of the Urse with their hardness.
Speaker 6: I don't give a funns. And you know, it's like
Speaker 6: we're doing what we're doing.
Speaker 5: The fuck y'all, you know, and that was what the
Speaker 5: Cold courses off. But I would have to say ice Cube,
Speaker 5: all right, beating nuts or Cypress Hill beat nuts. Man,
Speaker 5: I love Cypress Hip, but beat nuts on my boys.
Speaker 6: Man, you know those are my boys.
Speaker 5: Bro shout out to a cycle les. They performed up
Speaker 5: in the in the.
Speaker 6: At the hard rocking Tampa about a couple of months ago.
Speaker 6: They were hanging we were hanging out, and.
Speaker 5: So Big Pun or Coolgie wrapped. That's that's gonna be
Speaker 5: a tough one.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Take your so this. I don't want to pike that.
Speaker 6: Okay, you said Coolie wrapping and and who know, big
Speaker 6: big Big Pun. I'm not gonna pick between those two.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 5: I got love for both of them. Man, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Bro, just give a shot that look.
Speaker 3: Come on, even drunk, Come on, you guys, this these
Speaker 3: fucking you guys are to the average, to the person.
Speaker 5: You know, Fat Joe, I've definitely asked that, Fat Joe,
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, I could have told you that the.
Speaker 3: Guys we could have had it Bull coming would have
Speaker 3: came here, would have and and he would have showed
Speaker 3: a lot of himself, super rich and super Latino.
Speaker 6: I'm not taking anything away from pit Bull I mean, listen,
Speaker 6: he's made a lot of accomplishments. No, he's he's in
Speaker 6: his own way, in his own right. Man, He's done
Speaker 6: a lot early early humble beginning, and I've seen that.
Speaker 6: I've seen the way he started and where he ended up.
Speaker 6: Now he's internationally does he's on TV, he's got young.
Speaker 1: He literally didn't let the game change him. He literally
Speaker 1: didn't like like I mean, even me, I let the
Speaker 1: game change me. At one point I got sucked up,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: What I mean.
Speaker 1: It happened and then and then and then I came
Speaker 1: back to reality.
Speaker 5: But what do you describe?
Speaker 1: What you What is a change? What changes you think?
Speaker 1: You give an example of that. You're not realizing that
Speaker 1: this game does not belong to you. It's the world's game.
Speaker 1: And at one point, when you platinum, you think that
Speaker 1: it's all about you, and it's actually not. You're the
Speaker 1: fucking flavor of the month.
Speaker 5: Remember this, bro, nobody's bigger than hip hop.
Speaker 1: Nobody's bigger than hip hop.
Speaker 5: Nobody's But that's the problem, the artistic no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: that is the problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: But what's the solution is when you find that out?
Speaker 1: The solution is you find it out and you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, because it just happens, like you know,
Speaker 1: being in front of the public's I sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: realize that you're the seventh guy or the one hundredth guy,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a hundred guys after you. That
Speaker 1: that that that it's going to put in that same position,
Speaker 1: and that shit is heartbreaking. Like like I always say,
Speaker 1: but like it's hard to be the man on Monday
Speaker 1: and not wake up and be the man on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: But that wouldn't be a hip hop problem. That would
Speaker 3: be a celebrity problem. That would be a famous problem.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, I can't. I can't actually pinpoint
Speaker 1: any other problem pinpoint hip hop. I could see when
Speaker 1: I met a young MC, and if I can see it,
Speaker 1: I know you can see it. And they're so humble.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just happy to be there next year.
Speaker 1: They're like, they won't even walk over and say hi
Speaker 1: to you. They won't even give you a fucking five
Speaker 1: because they're the guy at that moment. And what they
Speaker 1: don't understand is we've been the guy for thirty years,
Speaker 1: right twenty years ago. So every fucking party that you've
Speaker 1: been to. I've kind of been there already. I get
Speaker 1: it everything that you kind of did, like you're my ougi.
Speaker 1: But I'll be looking at these these young boys you jaded,
Speaker 1: your bit Jay, this young Wriver Snappers, and They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, dude, what did you just say to me?
Speaker 1: What did you just say to me? Like I was
Speaker 1: platinum in nineteenety eight, you platinum or trying to go
Speaker 1: platinum in twenty twenty four. I've had my party and
Speaker 1: by the way, it was awesome, But listen fantastic.
Speaker 5: Those those are my bad to cut you too, though,
Speaker 5: but those.
Speaker 3: Are the accolades I think that have gone wrong for
Speaker 3: hip hop because because in late eighties early nineties, I
Speaker 3: can only speak for my general rational perception right or
Speaker 3: point of view better said the artist I was listening to,
Speaker 3: they were paying homage to the founders and the pioneers.
Speaker 3: Therefore the listener and us coming up were like, these
Speaker 3: are our heroes. I didn't grow up on Cold Crust necessarily,
Speaker 3: I didn't grow up on Grand Master Flash, but I
Speaker 3: felt like I did because the artists that I grew
Speaker 3: up to were saying, this is why we're here. Therefore,
Speaker 3: this is why you're here listening to us and being
Speaker 3: a part of this culture.
Speaker 5: So this is why we're here. And so it made
Speaker 5: me dig in the crazy sort of say.
Speaker 3: And so to me, the accolades of selling platinum or
Speaker 3: gold didn't matter. It was who impacted the culture more
Speaker 3: and who are the forefathers and the foundation of people
Speaker 3: that is that weighs way more than how many records
Speaker 3: you sold. You know what I'm saying, Like Crazy Legs,
Speaker 3: who doesn't sell any records, was way more of a
Speaker 3: bigger figure in pop then this artist that went platinum.
Speaker 3: In a sense absolutely, And that's where I think where
Speaker 3: we lost our way, No, because we don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: We don't, we don't. We started that picture, started to
Speaker 1: equivolate uh, success with accolades, like how you just said,
Speaker 1: like you just said, you said, you man, we didn't
Speaker 1: have hit records, but we had.
Speaker 5: Hits hit stage shows.
Speaker 1: You you you you tear that stage show up. So
Speaker 1: when we started to like, uh, look at it and say,
Speaker 1: all right, this is this, this is that, this is
Speaker 1: that because uh, let's just be clear. Na's first album, Ellmatic,
Speaker 1: was not received. Yeah, I know, like people are lying
Speaker 1: when they say, oh, Shmatic was Ellmatic wasn't classic.
Speaker 3: Sales wise, it wasn't sales wise, but culturally that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Culturally what it did was phenomenal. It changed the album worry.
Speaker 1: I can't stand you motherfucker's telling me my hot of
Speaker 1: classic legendary for my album. You motherfuckers did not go
Speaker 1: to the stall. My ship did not say, but.
Speaker 3: You're right because the audience, the audience was broke, that
Speaker 3: culture was broke.
Speaker 1: They had to boot leg and ship. You're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna help them, Yes, but that's probably true. It can
Speaker 1: be true, like the mix it because I come.
Speaker 3: From the I'm a mixtape DJ that was putting your
Speaker 3: songs on my on my mixtape.
Speaker 5: I hate to tell you this now, but you didn't
Speaker 5: make a dime off.
Speaker 1: Of me putting in on This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But somehow we got here.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm telling you that shit hurt me. Like when
Speaker 1: people say that now, they'd be like the woll report
Speaker 1: got me through some ship. I'll be looking at you
Speaker 1: like you boot leg my shit. You ain't buy my album.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I wouldn't. I mean, person, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Let me get the funk out you know what, Wilstefall
Speaker 6: was under that category. Whilst All it was one hundred
Speaker 6: listener thousand dollar budget movie. That movie was that everybody
Speaker 6: tries to say Russell didn't. I'm not taking nothing away
Speaker 6: from Russell, anything from Russell, but WildStar was the movie
Speaker 6: that showed everybody how this was done, because everybody that
Speaker 6: was in the movie that did what they acted actually
Speaker 6: did what they did in real life. Even the stick
Speaker 6: up kid in the movie was a real stick up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm gonna have to stand up and tell you,
Speaker 3: Charlie Chase, you guys didn't act very well.
Speaker 5: It was a documentary.
Speaker 6: Saw you held a documentary.
Speaker 1: I look at I said, I don't think they're reacting.
Speaker 1: I think this is just a.
Speaker 6: Do you know what it wants to stand up against
Speaker 6: Theodore like this is it's giddy could beat come on man.
Speaker 6: But it was a cult hit and that was all
Speaker 6: over the world, and that was the movie that introduced
Speaker 6: hip hop to the entire planet. Because when the Will
Speaker 6: style first hit that we were on it and the
Speaker 6: first stop we made was Japan. Dude, it was it
Speaker 6: was like a nuclear explosion. We were there a week.
Speaker 6: Everybody saw it was going on the first week. By
Speaker 6: the time we left, there were already people out there
Speaker 6: dressing and guys trying to break dance and all kinds
Speaker 6: of stuff. Right, I mean, listen, let me, let me
Speaker 6: show you the power of hip hop. Let me expect
Speaker 6: a story lost our tour, never been there first time.
Speaker 6: We're all touring, right, we needed translators to walk around with.
Speaker 6: So I'm walking on with this translator and there's this
Speaker 6: Japanese kid with a boombox and he recognized me. I
Speaker 6: guess because we were doing a lot of TV and
Speaker 6: a lot of press and stuff. So he recognized me
Speaker 6: and he runs up and he's talking Japanese. I don't
Speaker 6: understand up, but the translators telling me, oh, he knows
Speaker 6: who you are. He says he loves the Cold Crush.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, how do you know about the Cold Course?
Speaker 6: And he says and he told the guy says, he
Speaker 6: hits he hits play on it. He had a boombox,
Speaker 6: he hits play and he's playing a Cold Curse tape.
Speaker 6: Well fucked my head up was that this guy didn't
Speaker 6: speak a link lick of English, but he's reciting all
Speaker 6: the Cold Curse liberals.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. That was the power of hip hop. That
Speaker 5: was the power of wild stock.
Speaker 6: That movie said.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was old what you said, but yo, it
Speaker 3: was it was not We're gonna We're I want to
Speaker 3: circle back to when we finished Quick Time, Kid Frost
Speaker 3: or Melimanaise, this is Latino rais.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know that Latino racism, right.
Speaker 5: Why is the Latino racism?
Speaker 1: I just feel like the division. Mann just take a shower.
Speaker 6: Met both of them, mayor.
Speaker 5: Cool so uh and they and they both had their successes,
Speaker 5: and both of them want to come together to drink Champs.
Speaker 3: F y, I'm saying it right here on the show
Speaker 3: that both want to come together Kid Frost and Melimanaise.
Speaker 1: I would like that on drink Champs.
Speaker 5: I'd have to take a shower because I like to
Speaker 5: go for both my boys.
Speaker 1: Man, Okay, I got this is some reggae. Don't ship
Speaker 1: you got it?
Speaker 6: Okay, I gotta do it.
Speaker 5: You gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Man, you hate reggae, don you gotta reggaet package Diego
Speaker 1: or Donald Mar.
Speaker 5: Donald Mar is a man too.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 5: I love Donald Mare.
Speaker 6: But I met Tago, I met Tago down brother, I
Speaker 6: met him at Lehman High School in the Bronx sal.
Speaker 5: When Tago was there.
Speaker 1: I think so I was. I met me and Diego
Speaker 1: squadstar Beef at Leaman High School.
Speaker 5: He wasn't performing, he wasn't performing.
Speaker 6: I don't know it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a death jam thing.
Speaker 5: Death jam was there?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, was there there.
Speaker 1: We got that.
Speaker 5: We got the choppit for a minute. We spoke man
Speaker 5: cool dude.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, he didn't know who I was, but you know, he.
Speaker 1: Was so he doesn't sometimes he didn't know what I
Speaker 1: was and.
Speaker 6: I wasn't there trying to explain it. So I told him,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm showing so from a group and everything.
Speaker 6: He didn't know me.
Speaker 1: I was cool with that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, I like your music, I appreciate.
Speaker 6: You man and all that.
Speaker 5: And he was like he wasn't like so stuck up
Speaker 5: when he was man, who you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I never met donal Ma, but I like Don so
Speaker 5: I would have to go with Donald Marcus.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you just said this whole made a shot
Speaker 1: for no reason. No think that.
Speaker 6: The other one.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 5: But let me ask you, I feel like he's more
Speaker 5: of an MC than a artist.
Speaker 1: I do too. I think he's more of a hip
Speaker 1: hop artist. I believe that he's a victim of his circumstances,
Speaker 1: meaning like he had to well do certain things.
Speaker 5: Because that's the other thing.
Speaker 3: When I went to I went to Puerto Rico in
Speaker 3: two thousand, right before we had before what he did
Speaker 3: and everything came overy and a lot of those artists
Speaker 3: were regular.
Speaker 1: Rais mcs, that's what they were, that couldn't.
Speaker 5: Really make inroads, and he started. Look what they stuck
Speaker 5: when they started.
Speaker 1: What's your man name?
Speaker 5: The producer echo, yeah, echoes man, Yeah.
Speaker 6: When they started. I mean that those with the influences,
Speaker 6: it was MC. And then it evolved into what like
Speaker 6: these guys want to mixtapes?
Speaker 1: You know and all that. That's the question I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, and I know we still have to.
Speaker 6: No, it's not about me.
Speaker 1: At what point did it become the MC? Because the
Speaker 1: DJ was the motherfucking man, right.
Speaker 5: Still, the motherfucking man, all right.
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna rightfully, so we love you,
Speaker 1: we love you as an MC, But when did it
Speaker 1: become m C coming to the forefront because it was
Speaker 1: DJ Okay, No one wanted to be a MC.
Speaker 6: And that's that's absolutely accurate. It was all about the DJ.
Speaker 6: What made it the MC was when MC starting, he
Speaker 6: started evolving from just making announcements and just throwing little
Speaker 6: nursery rhymes here and there.
Speaker 5: To promote the DJ, to promote the DJ. The DJ
Speaker 5: Hollywood not not well when I was Hollywood.
Speaker 6: From what I under said, he was already DJ when
Speaker 6: I started, you know, but he I wasn't around those
Speaker 6: parties or didn't go to those parties. But the DMC
Speaker 6: evolved into something more. He would cast and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go back to cast. Caz was one of the instrumental
Speaker 6: people who were so gifted that he was telling. They
Speaker 6: called Slick Rick the storyteller, and Cast is the original storyteller.
Speaker 6: You listen, I know about rhymes that you ain't never
Speaker 6: heard that Cas has said when he was a kid,
Speaker 6: and Caz is his mind is he's a genius. Bro.
Speaker 6: Caz had started helping. I wouldn't say he's the first one,
Speaker 6: but I witnessed with my own eyes that evolution when
Speaker 6: I started seeing people like Cas get on the mic
Speaker 6: and started grabbing people's attention with his art, with his skill,
Speaker 6: you know. And the skill was what catapulted the MC
Speaker 6: in front of the DJ, you know, because remember it
Speaker 6: was just starting with the DJ. It was all mechanical
Speaker 6: with the with the bullshit equipment that we had. We
Speaker 6: were doing what we were doing and we were making
Speaker 6: a great job of it.
Speaker 3: It was close to it, you know, but it was
Speaker 3: hand me down stereocrip with bell drive right, terrible bell drive.
Speaker 6: If you weren't able to cut on bell drives, you were.
Speaker 5: Those were my first turn tables, you know what bell drives.
Speaker 5: So that was when happened.
Speaker 6: You know, the DJ, the DJ needed I was shy.
Speaker 6: I was never a microphane person, so I needed a mouthpiece,
Speaker 6: you know, and I was and you know, my first
Speaker 6: time C was Cisco Kid from Beach Street, and so
Speaker 6: you know, that was that was what started it.
Speaker 5: I needed a mouthpiece. Every DJ needed a mouthpiece.
Speaker 6: And then when they were seeing other DJs bring their
Speaker 6: skill up, then that's when it started evolving. And then
Speaker 6: they came to the floor for now because people wanted
Speaker 6: to hear what they wanted to say.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I remember DJ is the back one because without the
Speaker 3: DJ starting the party, you don't get an m C,
Speaker 3: you don't get b boys and girls dancing on the
Speaker 3: dance floor right. DJ's were the ones that perpetuated the
Speaker 3: beginning of everything.
Speaker 1: Mcs came so they was wearing spikes and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh huh, charge.
Speaker 3: Shout out the big drink. Who was my miamc My
Speaker 3: first mcane was an artist, you know when I was DJing,
Speaker 3: he was the guy on the microphone in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Him and Weird Thoughts, Paul, I keep.
Speaker 1: Forgetting, I keep forgetting. Your original name was Weird Thoughts.
Speaker 1: And then everywhere every time we do Underdog Fantasy, I
Speaker 1: remember that he is Weird Thoughts, Ellmatic or reasonable Doubt.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. I'm not familiar with any of
Speaker 5: them too much.
Speaker 1: Matic is not his first album. And reasonable doubt Jason.
Speaker 6: For me to be honest with you, I haven't heard.
Speaker 1: So he's saying neither. We're drinking. Yeah, we're drinking.
Speaker 6: He's saying, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, you know, Thank you, James. Okay,
Speaker 5: just for the record, I got you know, I asked
Speaker 5: a lot of these questions you did, and we're almost done,
Speaker 5: and were almost done. Maybe you don't drink King of New.
Speaker 1: York, what do you do is like we can come
Speaker 1: up with you. Yeah?
Speaker 6: Literally all right.
Speaker 5: Before New Jack City, New Jack City, King of New
Speaker 5: York was with Denzel No.
Speaker 6: It wasn't no no, no, think.
Speaker 5: New Jack City from Walk City, right Walker.
Speaker 1: Right right, all right, I gotta I gotta do this one.
Speaker 5: You go ahead.
Speaker 1: The fever or Latin quarters fever.
Speaker 5: Brother, I grew up in the fever, man, I grew yo,
Speaker 5: that's what we ever.
Speaker 1: Like your face this little and I feel like there
Speaker 1: was there for sure. You see his face leaves. I
Speaker 1: was literally in the fever with.
Speaker 6: You right now?
Speaker 5: You know what the place to go to think about
Speaker 5: this picture?
Speaker 1: This lot of cocaine at okay, definitely a lot.
Speaker 3: But we got to tell everybody cocaine wasn't crazy back then.
Speaker 6: It was like with a fast drink.
Speaker 5: It was a fashion drug.
Speaker 6: If you had cocaine, you have status energy just.
Speaker 1: Reference before. But it wasn't it wasn't illegal. I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot the question. What was.
Speaker 5: The fever pictured?
Speaker 6: This the fever you got run dmc whodini, Cold Crush,
Speaker 6: Treacher's three Furious five, Curtis Blow sometimes Russell Simmons. After
Speaker 6: they did what we did at the night at at
Speaker 6: the end of the night, I didn't go as offen
Speaker 6: as chasin JDLD, but I go everybody will go there.
Speaker 5: That's where everybody would go and meet and drink and
Speaker 5: talk about.
Speaker 6: The four Stories of the Night or whatever. The fever
Speaker 6: was the place to meet girls and hang on. And
Speaker 6: that was the atmosphere. You know how many said a
Speaker 6: quick story. Ronald Eisley was that right. I'm up against
Speaker 6: the wall by if you know anything about the fever.
Speaker 5: As soon as you walk in, there was a photo
Speaker 5: booth right there in the front, right, so I was.
Speaker 6: I was up against the wall. They're just chilling and
Speaker 6: and I and I go like this, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: there's a cat the baseball hat like this covering his
Speaker 6: eyes right, just like this.
Speaker 5: You can't see he's covering his eyes. But you you
Speaker 5: you Ronald eyes.
Speaker 6: He got that face you cannot mistaken, I say, Ronald,
Speaker 6: and he looked up and goes.
Speaker 5: I said, stop that, brother, this is the fever. Everybody
Speaker 5: here's a celebrity.
Speaker 8: Stopped.
Speaker 6: He was telling me to because of celebrity. Yeah, yo,
Speaker 6: everybody is a celebrity. It's not gonna be on you
Speaker 6: like that. You know, and he was like he wasn't
Speaker 6: having it.
Speaker 5: But true story, we used to have celebrities like that
Speaker 5: that came to the Fever.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the Fever turned into Room Boss you're talking.
Speaker 5: About in Treeman Avenue.
Speaker 6: The original Fever was on one hundred and sixty seven Rowl.
Speaker 6: Come on, bro, I know Cetala when he had a
Speaker 6: DA well he was Italian with a DA bro with
Speaker 6: the open shirt and the necklace and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I did not know that.
Speaker 6: I didn't know Schoomball goes to DJ Yeah, what was
Speaker 6: I forgot the other guy's name. They have some dope
Speaker 6: DJs there.
Speaker 1: Get you ready? Yeah, Bat Boys or the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 5: Beastie Boys.
Speaker 6: I like. I like the BC Boys, you know why
Speaker 6: because I'm a rockhead.
Speaker 1: I love rock music.
Speaker 5: And when they came out and they were doing what
Speaker 5: they were doing, I ate it.
Speaker 6: Like fruit loops, bro, I just ate the whole thing up.
Speaker 5: Man. When I met them, they they went crazy. It
Speaker 5: wasn't there a synergy.
Speaker 3: And we talked about with Kaz and Flash with rock
Speaker 3: and hip hop at the time, because they were both
Speaker 3: these countercultures right punk rock specifically right.
Speaker 5: CBGB's there was a Chariot downtown.
Speaker 1: So yeah, holy shit, and this is the last one
Speaker 1: for quick Time of Slime to be getting to direct
Speaker 1: the interview. Loyalty or respect.
Speaker 6: Respect, respect, because I've met people that I've never met
Speaker 6: in my life but have showed me more respect than
Speaker 6: a lot of motherfuckers who were loyal to me. Because
Speaker 6: what happens sometimes, and I've experienced, is people are loyal
Speaker 6: to you and after a while they become.
Speaker 5: Too familiar with you and they can be disrespectful, and
Speaker 5: then I got to cut you off.
Speaker 6: Respect people.
Speaker 5: I've met people that I've met, people.
Speaker 6: I've never seen in my life, and they show me
Speaker 6: instant respectful what I've done their They're kind, respectful, you know,
Speaker 6: they give me They would have to be respect first.
Speaker 5: You ain't got to like me, but you're going to
Speaker 5: respect them.
Speaker 1: Jesus, that was so great. I'm going to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: You and I got to say, my friends, win my shirt,
Speaker 1: give you your shirt and if you ain't got one
Speaker 1: for e f N, don't feel batter that one.
Speaker 6: For f.
Speaker 5: A folarship. Here you go right here, bro, this is you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: Let me show you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, brother p Yeah, please, bro, thank you.
Speaker 5: Man one of the tours and we're going all right.
Speaker 5: I didn't Columbia.
Speaker 6: I didn't bring a whole lot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah we're rolling.
Speaker 5: Yeah we rolling.
Speaker 1: That's right. God damn it. What common sense? And Pete Rock,
Speaker 1: we donna wear it.
Speaker 5: Don't don't take my style.
Speaker 1: Don't you don't want you want to be kidding? Play?
Speaker 1: What time?
Speaker 6: What time?
Speaker 1: What cool?
Speaker 5: What you got? What side you wear?
Speaker 1: No, I know that's not the baby world because I
Speaker 1: don't know where she is.
Speaker 5: I got it, got.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Listen, guys, it is not as a fitting session, guys.
Speaker 1: Charlie Chase. Listen, Charlie Chase. Your shirts are exclusive. You
Speaker 1: don't got to give it to everybody. You can say
Speaker 1: something brand right now, but these guys are not worthy.
Speaker 5: Only got I got yeah, the jem.
Speaker 6: Shot. He just sounds sports good. That's that's that's my
Speaker 6: gave it to your old friend. Hold on, that's my nephew.
Speaker 1: That's was just sure. Give it the twin right there,
Speaker 1: swin right there. You can't can't be that even he doesn't,
Speaker 1: but he he you guys, I got you, I.
Speaker 6: Got you guys.
Speaker 1: Number that come on that my nephew right there.
Speaker 6: Yes, he's a motivational speakers, has been our shows with
Speaker 6: Grand Cardoon.
Speaker 1: That's my friend.
Speaker 5: What was up?
Speaker 6: He say, Man, Sean McMurray shot.
Speaker 1: You got shot hip yo. I'm gonna be honest. I
Speaker 1: know I said it earlier, but I want to say
Speaker 1: it again. I want to thank you as a man,
Speaker 1: as a person who has a career hip hop in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. When I researched you and I
Speaker 1: kept I went in to jap yep and they label
Speaker 1: you as the first Puerto ricand hip hop, and that
Speaker 1: shit is so vulnerable because I always fight to say
Speaker 1: that Latinos was there in the beginning and I'm black too,
Speaker 1: But sometimes I feel like they kind of try to
Speaker 1: erase that part of history. Not very like, not like
Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of black people around. That's not that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is it's become a thing.
Speaker 1: It's become a thing, has become.
Speaker 5: Can add a little bit of clarity to that.
Speaker 6: Okay, Whenever they say I'm the first Puerto Rican and
Speaker 6: hip hop, I understand why they credit it, right, there
Speaker 6: were other Puerto Ricans before me. You know, Kas's Cartner
Speaker 6: Disco Whiz. Unfortunately, you know, he got sidetracked. He had
Speaker 6: in his career early he was there, he was Kas's partner,
Speaker 6: but he was there before I was, you know, with
Speaker 6: Kaz when he was when he first started. Now, they
Speaker 6: credit me with being the first Puerto Rican DJ because
Speaker 6: I was the one who was blessed enough to have enough.
Speaker 5: Talent that that just shot out in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: You understand, I was the first war well known.
Speaker 6: What I did and represented all people worldwide. Right, you
Speaker 6: understand I'm the first in that ass.
Speaker 5: And as a DJ, which at that time would have catapulted.
Speaker 5: And there were a few of the DJs. They were
Speaker 5: like young from the neighborhood like me, you know, and
Speaker 5: they were Hispanic too.
Speaker 6: They just never got all up. They didn't either for
Speaker 6: whatever reason it was. They didn't get out in the
Speaker 6: forefeet like I did. But yeah, I'll take credit in
Speaker 6: that aspect, But to me to be here say that
Speaker 6: I'm the actual first, No, I can't say that. I can't.
Speaker 5: I got to give the credit where the credits.
Speaker 1: Make some noise for that guy. I know this is
Speaker 1: a cliche type of question, and I noticed it's gonna
Speaker 1: make sense, but it might not make sense. Did you
Speaker 1: ever think that hip hop would make it this far,
Speaker 1: yes or no. I would like to hear you.
Speaker 6: At the very beginning, when we were doing it, and
Speaker 6: I knew something was there, but I didn't know what
Speaker 6: it was except that I was just beating a lot
Speaker 6: of chicks.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I didn't know.
Speaker 6: You know what was the turning point when I knew,
Speaker 6: because remember I come from a family of musicians, when rappers,
Speaker 6: the light dropped.
Speaker 5: I said, this is where it's going. This is where
Speaker 5: it's going.
Speaker 6: I knew that it was going to be big because
Speaker 6: now it's on a record for the masses to hear.
Speaker 6: That's when I knew it was going to be big
Speaker 6: because I knew, listen, you had to be where I
Speaker 6: was in the neighborhoods, the way people were inspired. People
Speaker 6: were showing up by the hundreds at freaking school yards
Speaker 6: till two or three o'clock in the morning, us playing
Speaker 6: two or three o'clock in the morning out there, and
Speaker 6: they were hanging out with us.
Speaker 5: We were We were the superstars in the ghetto. Everywhere
Speaker 5: we walked, man, you know, we were the stars.
Speaker 6: I couldn't go to Ford and Road without people knowing
Speaker 6: who I was, you understand until when rappers the light
Speaker 6: hit that opened the door for Grandmaster flashing them and
Speaker 6: whomoding them and even opened up the doors for us
Speaker 6: in the sense and everybody else that that followed. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I didn't know at first because I didn't see what
Speaker 6: was going on. I never thought about records. But when
Speaker 6: the record dropped and what year was that the recorders
Speaker 6: that I came out?
Speaker 5: Seventy nine?
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me just ask just I know this
Speaker 1: is was that shit called a question that you know
Speaker 1: the answer to rhetorical? Rhetorical? You don't think hip hop
Speaker 1: and right invented in Queen's a little Bit.
Speaker 5: Oh, Queens gets massive credit? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Man, I don't think you heard his question?
Speaker 6: What did a.
Speaker 3: Because do you not think that it got invented in
Speaker 3: Queens a little Bit invented, not invented?
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part you ain't That's why he Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always credit Shan because Shan says hip hop started out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he was saying what he
Speaker 1: saw in his neighborhood. He not he he never I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever said that.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 5: But did he mean Queen's Bridge Park or did he
Speaker 5: mean he's just saying it started out on the.
Speaker 1: Best part for him.
Speaker 5: I don't we I don't know how much we talked
Speaker 5: about that one.
Speaker 6: Maybe you might be looking into it a little bit
Speaker 6: too deep because hip hop bissed on the.
Speaker 3: Parks right now, But that's what I'm saying. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: that's I know. I'm exactly pinpointing be any park. He
Speaker 3: could have just been exclaiming it started out in the park.
Speaker 3: We all know it started out in the park. But
Speaker 3: here's here's what I'm trying to say to you.
Speaker 1: I suppose the first time you ever heard of hip
Speaker 1: hop it was in kind sugar Wood Park, Right, that's
Speaker 1: a real place, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what that's That's a big that's a big
Speaker 5: part of So you.
Speaker 1: And sugar Wood Jesus, y'all calm down. The first time
Speaker 1: you ever heard of let's not say hip hop aces great, right,
Speaker 1: the first time you ever heard of it was in
Speaker 1: sugar Wood Park. To you, that's what you think it is.
Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, isn't a possibility that you think
Speaker 1: mc shan thought that that hip hop really did event
Speaker 1: in Queens.
Speaker 5: I don't think he thought that. I don't think because
Speaker 5: it's too far long when he came into the game
Speaker 5: for him to think that.
Speaker 6: But I don't think when he said that he meant
Speaker 6: that it was started. No, because what I mean, it's
Speaker 6: a fact it did start out in the park, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. But I think it may have
Speaker 6: been a little bit embroiled with the whole chante battle that,
Speaker 6: you know, that might have had something to do with
Speaker 6: what we remember. It was very competitive, you know, so
Speaker 6: if you're gonna talk shit, I'm gonna talk shit, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So I don't I don't think.
Speaker 5: I know Shan. I know Shan personally. You know, we're friends.
Speaker 1: We love Shy. He's crazy to follow him Instagram. We
Speaker 1: produce some records together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy because one thing I'm learning, as
Speaker 3: as we get older in this right or anybody, as
Speaker 3: as as the culture gets older, we try we tend
Speaker 3: to compact the history.
Speaker 5: Right and Shan he came out what in the eighties, Yeah, eighties,
Speaker 5: and look.
Speaker 3: How much when he's talking about that, he starts in
Speaker 3: seventy five. But how much happens from seventy five to
Speaker 3: seventy nine that he's talked about that is game changing.
Speaker 3: We don't We're never going to consider that as you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So that's that's why I think.
Speaker 3: I think Shan knew what he was saying true, But
Speaker 3: I like that they squashed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you grow up, man, you know, I mean, listen
Speaker 6: us in a fantastic you know anything about the battle?
Speaker 5: You ever throw down? Like throw down, throw down.
Speaker 1: I never got to the body.
Speaker 5: I never used.
Speaker 6: Only a stereotype. I never walked a round with.
Speaker 5: A gun with a knife.
Speaker 3: But no.
Speaker 6: But seriously, Shan, he's he's a creative mind. But like
Speaker 6: what you were saying, you ever hear him on he's crazy,
Speaker 6: but he speaks a lot of he's he's an old
Speaker 6: guy off his rocker, but he's not.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 5: Exactly what he's saying is what confuses you.
Speaker 8: But he's.
Speaker 6: So we can hear exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 5: And tears cry when he got his new set of teeth.
Speaker 1: Was just.
Speaker 5: Sh is on point man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's, he's he's a deep thinker
Speaker 6: in a different way.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. The thing with him is like, man,
Speaker 5: fuck yo, this is what it is, you know, like
Speaker 5: a good your olf whatever, you know, that attitude?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been at one point? For me? I
Speaker 1: just lost my love for hip hop?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: It was just I'm lying. I didn't lose my love.
Speaker 1: I lost I lost what everyone was chasing. Everyone started
Speaker 1: to chase a certain dream. That wasn't it Like for me,
Speaker 1: you have to be nice, you have to be good
Speaker 1: at your craft, and and that's what it is. And
Speaker 1: now it's just about sometimes chasing money. Don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: I like some money, of course, but then I also
Speaker 1: like my craft.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a time where you fro like
Speaker 1: fuck hip hop?
Speaker 6: Sometimes? I feel like that. Now, I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 6: because I love hip hop. Hip hop is my life.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I'm one of the I helped
Speaker 6: create them, your foundation, you know, I'm part of the evolution,
Speaker 6: you know. So it's really it's really deep to me.
Speaker 6: And and I see what you're saying. They don't take
Speaker 6: it as an art anymore. Now, it's just the way
Speaker 6: to get a bag, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 6: you lose a lot when you when that's all that's
Speaker 6: on your mind, that's all you are. So I compare
Speaker 6: these people to like, like like the Olympics. You got
Speaker 6: your marathon runners and you got your sprinters. Marathon runners
Speaker 6: continue for decades and decades and decades. Then you got
Speaker 6: these guys that's just sprinters. They might last a year, two,
Speaker 6: maybe three, and then they're their career is gone. That's
Speaker 6: how that is with these guys. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So listen, think about this for a second. There hasn't
Speaker 6: been a number one charting record on Billboard fall on
Speaker 6: Billboard for almost two years.
Speaker 5: Now until right now with the Kendricks does Okay, So
Speaker 5: look aw long it.
Speaker 1: Took based on negativity too good?
Speaker 6: Right, that's crazy, that's truth and it's crazy. But think
Speaker 6: about that for a second.
Speaker 5: Hip hop was.
Speaker 6: Always commanding on the number one spider and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden it's not you know what changed. I think
Speaker 6: it was that people weren't respecting the art anymore. Now
Speaker 6: it's just a way to make money now. Trickley and
Speaker 6: I had a conversation one day about this force and
Speaker 6: and we came up to the conclusion and it was
Speaker 6: there was a time when my time, and a few
Speaker 6: other people's time, like like your time, you had interest
Speaker 6: in something, you studied it, you started practicing, you started practicing,
Speaker 6: you became brave enough to take it out to the public,
Speaker 6: to your family, to your friends. After that, you were
Speaker 6: brave enough to take it to the public. You did
Speaker 6: what you did, and then you were brave enough to
Speaker 6: take it to a record and do what you did.
Speaker 6: Now you make a record, and then you go back
Speaker 6: to trying to be and m C. That's crazy. It
Speaker 6: sounds crazy, but it's a fact, you know, And and
Speaker 6: and that's what that's where we're at right now. And
Speaker 6: it kills me because it's like, I don't I don't
Speaker 6: even want to produce hip hop records anymore. And now
Speaker 6: I'm looking more to doing stuff with movies and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. I'm actually right now producing a remake of
Speaker 6: a ela for uh uh uh uh uh, an analyist Grace,
Speaker 6: she said, a Grammy nominated art, Latin Grammy nominated artist.
Speaker 6: She's got an album coming out, and now I'm doing
Speaker 6: a remix for her for I Wan, which is coming
Speaker 6: out right before the Puerto Rican DA Parade, you know.
Speaker 5: So I'm getting more too.
Speaker 6: I've always liked different kinds of music's anyway, music anyway,
Speaker 6: so it's natural for me to just switch up and
Speaker 6: do what I gotta do. Hey, I produced Latin Freestyle.
Speaker 6: I had Trilogy, a group that was a hit for years.
Speaker 6: I wrote that Latin Love You Make Yeah, I wrote
Speaker 6: that with seeing all the guy who wrote the lyrics.
Speaker 6: I wrote all the music Amaretto clave Rocks. That was
Speaker 6: another big record. I was the producer. I didn't get
Speaker 6: producer I didn't get producer credit out of They only
Speaker 6: gave me mixing credit. But truth be told, I'm the
Speaker 6: reason why that record even exists. So it wasn't a
Speaker 6: problem for me to always switch gears and go another direction.
Speaker 6: But you're right, man, But you're right. What you're saying,
Speaker 6: what that you know hip hop? Right now?
Speaker 5: You feel a little jaded about it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not the same I do because I
Speaker 1: love this culture like I love the I just told you.
Speaker 1: Carusen made two of the worst records of my child history,
Speaker 1: and he's still my favorite rapper. Yeah, because I couldn't.
Speaker 6: Because you know what he's about. You know, he's not phony.
Speaker 6: Everybody's allowed to miss not everybody's gonna have a hit.
Speaker 6: Everybody's allowed a hit or two. That's that's just the
Speaker 6: nature of the game. But in your heart, you know
Speaker 6: where he comes from, you know where his heart is,
Speaker 6: so you respect that, and he's always going to be
Speaker 6: one of your favorites, you know.
Speaker 5: And I respect that because you're seeing it for what
Speaker 5: it really is, for what it really is.
Speaker 1: You know, who's your favorite Puerto Rican artist?
Speaker 5: Puerto Rican artist?
Speaker 1: You go racist? Right now?
Speaker 5: Okay, well, let's go racist nobody.
Speaker 6: If I would have to pick a Puerto Rican artist,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be out of it.
Speaker 5: It would be Mark Anthony.
Speaker 1: I was going, heck the Love, all right?
Speaker 5: He the Love is classic.
Speaker 6: I grew up on Hector.
Speaker 5: But Mark Anthony is my friend.
Speaker 1: Oh damn, all right?
Speaker 5: What about that man?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The percussion brother, the percussion.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. You know what I noticed. You're
Speaker 1: a lawyalty. Yes, yeah, you based your answers based upon
Speaker 1: who you knew, how your relationships is and when I
Speaker 1: when I you know, we've been doing.
Speaker 5: This for eight years, right, going, no, going on to
Speaker 5: nine years now.
Speaker 1: Jesus, we are old like that. You're gonna get yourself
Speaker 1: time just trying.
Speaker 6: To get you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rewinding my time. So that is fucking How
Speaker 1: can I put this in a nice way and the
Speaker 1: best best way? That is fucking awesome, because I mean
Speaker 1: that's how I am. I'm loyal, but some people tell
Speaker 1: me I'm loyal to the fault. Has that ever been
Speaker 1: a problem for.
Speaker 5: You, like, let me take some of these knaves off
Speaker 5: my back?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, no doubt. You know, people have taken advantage
Speaker 6: of my loyalty. You know, I've helped people make money,
Speaker 6: I've helped people get established and and I've gotten I'm
Speaker 6: not going to mention even you know, I'm going to
Speaker 6: get into it, but you know, yeah, of course, man,
Speaker 6: but you know what it is. I'm I wouldn't say loyal.
Speaker 6: I always say respectful to these people, and I love them,
Speaker 6: you know why, because I see where they come from
Speaker 6: with what they're doing.
Speaker 5: You understand, they're true to this. They like this.
Speaker 6: They respect the art, you know, and if you respect
Speaker 6: the art and you're giving it all and you're making
Speaker 6: you've got results.
Speaker 5: I gotta respect you.
Speaker 1: I love you for that.
Speaker 5: I'm always going to show loyalty to you for that
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: So now I can see that in you. Man, I
Speaker 1: can see because I know he suffers from the same thing.
Speaker 6: Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: I suffer from the same thing. It's just like sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't say no, and I can't say no. The
Speaker 1: reason why I seldomly go to New York because my
Speaker 1: number is the same. So the same bozo asshole motherfucker's
Speaker 1: called me I still pick up right, and that's a flaw. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. I'm not saying you're an idiot or
Speaker 1: you're an idiot, but what I'm saying is being loyal
Speaker 1: to people who's not loyal to the makes you makes you?
Speaker 1: Makes you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You do you regret that? Or would you do it
Speaker 1: all over?
Speaker 5: I regret it.
Speaker 6: If I regret it, that's me holding that poison inside.
Speaker 6: So I choose not to regret it because it's like
Speaker 6: to me, I'll just take it as a learning experience
Speaker 6: and I now I know for next time to see
Speaker 6: the signs and avoid it. You know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: lie to you. Yeah, at one point, I was mad
Speaker 6: like a motherfucker, you know hip hop or at the
Speaker 6: people who did that to me.
Speaker 5: I was mad for a long time hurt, you know,
Speaker 5: and and and that was.
Speaker 6: Part of the reason why I was addicted to drugs
Speaker 6: for so long, with cocaine for so long, because I
Speaker 6: was that was the thing that was pacifying that hurt.
Speaker 6: But you know, after years and years and years, I
Speaker 6: learned a let it go, bro. It ain't worth it.
Speaker 6: It worth it because at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: you're the one loses, not them.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, What are you gonna do?
Speaker 5: You ain't They're not going to change there all day?
Speaker 5: Are they did?
Speaker 6: What did did you get? So move on? I listen.
Speaker 5: I could be mad right now about a whole region ship,
Speaker 5: but I'm not.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 6: I've got too many positive people around me right now,
Speaker 6: I've got too many great things are about to happen
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 5: Man, I gotta look forward. Let us you have to talk.
Speaker 3: I want to go back on legacy, and we haven't
Speaker 3: touched much on the Cold Crush. Give us the beginnings
Speaker 3: of Cold Crush. How does this all evolve? How does
Speaker 3: this happen?
Speaker 5: Because this is such a monumental group for everything hip hop.
Speaker 5: The Cold Crush was something that Tony Tone and I created.
Speaker 6: Now let's go back.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I got my flyes, my
Speaker 5: show and Tael flies right, let's go.
Speaker 6: There were three versions, two or three versions of the
Speaker 6: Colcus before two other versions before the final version that
Speaker 6: you know now, the Cold Curse.
Speaker 5: Right, and you're one of the founding members of Yes
Speaker 5: to cret So Tony Tone.
Speaker 6: I had met Tony Tone because one of the MC's
Speaker 6: which was RC and my crew, went to South Bronx
Speaker 6: High School. Tony went to South Bronx High School. RC
Speaker 6: told him about me, Yo, this DJA is nice, this
Speaker 6: Puerto Rican is nice. Under one and two, Tony was
Speaker 6: looking to create a crew. Tony was with Breakout, so
Speaker 6: he met He told him. He told ill, Yo, tell
Speaker 6: him I want to meet him. He says sure, I said,
Speaker 6: She'll bring him by. I met Tony Tone. We became friends.
Speaker 6: He got down with my crew for a little bit.
Speaker 6: I mean I got flyers where he was djaying, he
Speaker 6: was he was hanging out with us. So I always
Speaker 6: considered he got down with me because we were we
Speaker 6: were close. Listen, Tony Tone is the godfather my daughter.
Speaker 6: He was my best man at my first wedding. You
Speaker 6: know what I was saying, that's that's my brother, you understand.
Speaker 6: Me and Tony Tone got Mad Roots and Mad Love
Speaker 6: together from the beginning. So Tony Tone had this vision
Speaker 6: to create a crew. He came on with me and
Speaker 6: we were trying to work things out, you know, because
Speaker 6: he had ideas. I had this, but I already had
Speaker 6: a crew with MC's right, So the crew that I
Speaker 6: had at the time, with the MC's fly I'm showing.
Speaker 5: You this accomplished camera or whatever he wanted.
Speaker 1: Okay, this was uh to show you.
Speaker 5: If you see the top of the flyer, right, it
Speaker 5: says Disco Tech Productions. That was the company that we had. Me,
Speaker 5: Tom and Jerry had that company.
Speaker 1: Disco Tech Productions, Disco Tech Productions and Kevin Epps Presents DJ,
Speaker 1: Charlie Chase, DJ, Tony Tone DJ. Look at the MC's
Speaker 1: read them Mighty Mike h MCS almost read cat Dota
Speaker 1: rockn Rock, MC t e z A d Whipper wher
Speaker 1: whipper Whip. I feel like that's your cousin. Also the
Speaker 1: brothers DJ's mean Green, Mean Gene, mean.
Speaker 5: G They that Theodore's brother.
Speaker 1: Cordial Cordial Grand Master Wizard, Theodore, Robbie, Rob Kevy, cav
Speaker 1: Busy be Star skiing at right.
Speaker 6: Now, what I wanted you to realize was that the
Speaker 6: mcs that were down with me was Dot a Rock
Speaker 6: and whipper Whip. They were Fantastic five. They were with me.
Speaker 5: They were kazz As mcs.
Speaker 6: They got a lot of a lot of MC's left
Speaker 6: cas and this then somehow got hooked up with me,
Speaker 6: so that we came with me. Now this was pree
Speaker 6: col curse, right. So then we decided that we were
Speaker 6: Tony Tony and I.
Speaker 5: Tony tone was the one who came up with the
Speaker 5: name the Cold Crush.
Speaker 6: And I remember when he walked to me and he
Speaker 6: said we were I was at this Pinjoint Pinball Spot
Speaker 6: grocery for Miles. It was a winter and he says,
Speaker 6: we would looking to create a cool he says, yo.
Speaker 6: He says, I got the name of the crew. That
Speaker 6: I got the name that I want to name the crew.
Speaker 6: And there was a flyer with red lettering that says
Speaker 6: this is another Cold Crush product. That was the advertisement
Speaker 6: on the flyer. Right advertising, So a show. It was
Speaker 6: a show another by some other people I didn't know
Speaker 6: at this They said another Cold Crushed product.
Speaker 5: He says, I want to call it the Cold Crush Crew.
Speaker 6: You just no. It was all they were expressing. It
Speaker 6: was a cold Crush product. They were Cold Cursse Crew.
Speaker 6: So I said, I liked that name. I said, what
Speaker 6: if we formed this group, We're going to be like family.
Speaker 6: So we're going to call it the Cold Crush Brothers.
Speaker 6: And he said, I like that.
Speaker 5: We're rolling with that.
Speaker 11: So then at the time you'll see here, you'll see
Speaker 11: where did you say cold Crush? Here it says col
Speaker 11: Qush somewhere. You got your notes right down at very top.
Speaker 11: I'm Donald Rock Aware, Cold.
Speaker 1: Crush Brothers, Cold Crush Brothers, Charlie Chase, Tony Tonge, Mikey
Speaker 1: Bike November thirtieth, Cold Crush four MC's right, T boone.
Speaker 9: T bone right, Donald Rock right, easy a D right
Speaker 9: and whip whipp whip whip Wi right to break out
Speaker 9: and the DJ breakout.
Speaker 6: He was coming that night, right. So that was the
Speaker 6: first version of the Coal Chust Brothers right there, right
Speaker 6: before that, this was me.
Speaker 1: And the crew.
Speaker 6: This is before the cold This is just me before
Speaker 6: Tony copies copies.
Speaker 1: I got goosebumps this whole time.
Speaker 6: This is me before Tony Throne came into the picture.
Speaker 6: Just me and and these m cs that I have
Speaker 6: for now. If you know Cisco, Cisco was in the
Speaker 6: movie Beach Street. He was the m C that was
Speaker 6: that was rhyming when the female DJ was cutting Wanda
Speaker 6: d That was Cisco who lived in the projects right
Speaker 6: across the street from me.
Speaker 5: And he was my first MC. And he was the
Speaker 5: one who put these fliers together. He was a flyer maker.
Speaker 5: He was an artist. He went to art and design
Speaker 5: and he was a supreme artist.
Speaker 1: Art design and man. Okay, but by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry I kept handing him back the flyers. I
Speaker 1: knew you wanted to look at the fly now, I
Speaker 1: apologize that should have passed. I'm sorry that that was
Speaker 1: not that was not good the fans.
Speaker 6: Here, I'm gonna say this has been said before, but
Speaker 6: this is it's true. Right, So we the reason the
Speaker 6: cold Course came to be was because I was always
Speaker 6: belliating about the mcson what they weren't as good as
Speaker 6: I wanted them to be. And Tony tom my brother,
Speaker 6: was like, all right, so let's have an audition. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, great, let's have an audition. We had an audition.
Speaker 6: That's South balk High School. Now mind you, for years
Speaker 6: I was trying to get cast and come on board,
Speaker 6: you know, and he was like, nah, I got a crew.
Speaker 6: I'm doing this and doing that and doing this. So
Speaker 6: when we were having the auditions, I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 6: get cast on this crew, right, So I said cash
Speaker 6: Tony Tone was the one that called him to come
Speaker 6: down to the audition, to come down, and I said,
Speaker 6: tell him that I need help picking out the mcs
Speaker 6: for my crew, and he's the expert. What I really
Speaker 6: wanted to do was so real, I mean right, So
Speaker 6: we went down. I picked A d was already down
Speaker 6: because he was Tony's friend. KG was the one that
Speaker 6: we picked from the from the audition because you know,
Speaker 6: KG had that booming voice.
Speaker 5: Kaz and jd O show up right. We picked Ideo.
Speaker 5: We could we KG.
Speaker 6: We couldn't really find anybody else, so we had that.
Speaker 6: So I said, Cass, now this is me and my scheming.
Speaker 6: I said, Cass, do me a favor. Let's test out
Speaker 6: the MC's going down the mic. We got four mics
Speaker 6: someone high school. Let's test out the vibe to see
Speaker 6: how these guy can hang way they get up there,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, in the fact, my fiendish plot is working.
Speaker 6: You know, they go in the MC and they and
Speaker 6: they and they're gelling. They're sounding really great. Cast comes
Speaker 6: back right, So I said, so, Cass, what do you
Speaker 6: think like that? I said, listen, man, that's when I
Speaker 6: I put him into a corner.
Speaker 5: You say, you won't remember this, but all my children,
Speaker 5: I will swear this sack of bibles.
Speaker 6: The conversation went this way. I said, I'm Cast. I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, I've been wanting you to get down for
Speaker 6: years now. I'm like, you see what I got. I said,
Speaker 6: I'm telling you I have a vision I am going
Speaker 6: to make. Why know that if you get down, we
Speaker 6: are going to be the biggest ship to ever hit.
Speaker 6: What we're doing right now, we are going to eat
Speaker 6: bigger than anything. I said, all you have to do
Speaker 6: is agreed to trust me. And he thought about that
Speaker 6: shit right. He thought about it, and he said, I'll
Speaker 6: do it, but JDL gotta be down. I said no.
Speaker 5: I said, I don't want JDL don.
Speaker 6: Because JDL had a red reputation. He's trouble. I don't
Speaker 6: want to me. He said, Well, if JD l ain't down,
Speaker 6: he goes a loyalty JD l ain't down. Then I
Speaker 6: ain't down, and I was like cast of that to me.
Speaker 6: So I said like, fuck it, man, you know I
Speaker 6: want you this bad. Let's do this.
Speaker 5: Cole Christ is born that day.
Speaker 6: Wow. That was now now now a smoke now, So
Speaker 6: now the fun The part was that I had the
Speaker 6: original crew, but I didn't know how to tell the
Speaker 6: old crew that they were hired.
Speaker 5: So now I have two crews and I'm trying to
Speaker 5: figure this out, me and Tony. Like Tony's like, Tony
Speaker 5: lifted on me. You gotta tell him, this is what
Speaker 5: you wanted.
Speaker 6: You gotta tell him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn whatever.
Speaker 6: Fuck. Luckily got a rock and whip a whip had
Speaker 6: decided to leave the crew because they went with Fantastic five,
Speaker 6: which was cool. And then I had to finally tell
Speaker 6: Teddy and t Bowe, Yo, you know, sorry guys, but
Speaker 6: I'm forming a new crew and this this and that,
Speaker 6: and you know they they handled it well, they under
Speaker 6: like man, you know, And that was it, and that
Speaker 6: was when the Cold Quest was born and the rest
Speaker 6: is history. Man. But let me tell you, I give
Speaker 6: credits to my brother Tony Tone because Tony Tone, he
Speaker 6: saw the talent that I had. He saw what I
Speaker 6: could do, and he was like, you need a push,
Speaker 6: and he gave me the push I needed. He introduced
Speaker 6: me to everybody, you know, and that's how I got
Speaker 6: accepted from the from the rest.
Speaker 5: Of the community.
Speaker 6: You know, I already knew we were. I was already
Speaker 6: as far as our concern, I was in the culture already,
Speaker 6: all because I was doing what I was doing.
Speaker 5: I had fans and all that. And what year was this?
Speaker 3: That this all when you guys finally formed the crew
Speaker 3: seventy nine I think it was nine, and then this
Speaker 3: you guys were in this one?
Speaker 5: What you whilst I was I think was eighty one
Speaker 5: or eighty three. I'm brew yeah, yeah. How do you
Speaker 5: think we got into the movie?
Speaker 1: We were Well.
Speaker 6: The funny thing was was that we weren't supposed to
Speaker 6: be in the on tour and in the movie. No,
Speaker 6: we were supposed to be in the movie, but the
Speaker 6: people who were originally supposed to go on a tour
Speaker 6: with the Fantastic Five in theoore, but they had a
Speaker 6: falling out and then they brought us up and the
Speaker 6: rest is.
Speaker 3: History, and and and so tell us a little bit
Speaker 3: behind the scenes of this as far as uh like
Speaker 3: just like them step into you and then actually filming
Speaker 3: that scene.
Speaker 1: With right right.
Speaker 5: The funny thing was like, we're gonna go film a
Speaker 5: movie about hip hop and stuff like that. In my mind,
Speaker 5: I'm the music the musician kicked in. I'm showing up
Speaker 5: to the shooting in a suit and the ship and like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 6: So if you look in the on the scene where
Speaker 6: I'm in the Dixie cut when the group, you see
Speaker 6: that I have a shirt on with some slacks and stuff.
Speaker 5: You do that because I was stupid.
Speaker 1: I didn't freaking it together.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, there's a movie. I gotta show up
Speaker 5: and look fine.
Speaker 1: And dude, I was rude to all this. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I was like, right, I'm keeping it real. I didn't
Speaker 5: know what the hell I was doing, you know.
Speaker 6: So if you see in the movie, I got a
Speaker 6: shirt on, I got slacks and stuff, and you know,
Speaker 6: had to kind of make it hip hop. They threw
Speaker 6: these these these studs on my wrists I was cutting
Speaker 6: and you'll see it in the movie. Yeah, the movie
Speaker 6: was shot. It was it was a low, low budget movie.
Speaker 6: We did ship off the cuff. We this ship off
Speaker 6: the cuff right there, that basketball scene. But you're spitting too, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the basketball scene. We were We wrote all that ship
Speaker 6: on the spot. I didn't even have a lot of Cass,
Speaker 6: I need help. I don't know what to say. Kaz
Speaker 6: wrote that line.
Speaker 5: For me, But were you doing that regularly?
Speaker 1: Spitting?
Speaker 6: No? I could.
Speaker 5: I knew I could rhyme, but I never read it.
Speaker 5: It was just for the movie.
Speaker 6: That was just for the movie. If you listen to
Speaker 6: Heartbreakers another record, I'm rhyming on that with Tony toone,
Speaker 6: you know. So, I mean if I if I ever
Speaker 6: real if I really wanted to push it, I could
Speaker 6: have pushed it in Charney and probably become an MC.
Speaker 5: But I felt out of play man.
Speaker 6: When you're around Graham as the cas, you feel this
Speaker 6: big when you're trying to do what he does, you
Speaker 6: know what.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, And rightfully so. So I was happy with
Speaker 5: what I was doing. This.
Speaker 6: The the motivating, the mode of the engine, the power
Speaker 6: behind a cold course was me and Cass, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, as a genius as g and me
Speaker 6: on the past and me on the turntables, and I
Speaker 6: was also the producer and making we we had had
Speaker 6: the musical background. Cas was a natural.
Speaker 5: He just had natural showmanship in him.
Speaker 6: And that's that. Bro.
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you heard the hip hop
Speaker 1: finally got accepted in the Olympics.
Speaker 6: I was, see, you gotta really think? I was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: that's dope, it's dope. But then I also knew it
Speaker 6: was like it ain't gonna be what people think it's
Speaker 6: gonna be. And you'll see what I'm saying. Hip hop
Speaker 6: breakdancing is now a form of competition and the but
Speaker 6: it's gonna be stiff and rigid. In other words, it's
Speaker 6: not going to be a DJ cut with guys them
Speaker 6: seeing no. Like like gymnastics, you have to meet a
Speaker 6: certain uh qualification. You have to qualification, you have to
Speaker 6: benchmarks that you have to hear. So they're gonna, okay
Speaker 6: require now coming up as a backspin.
Speaker 5: You know, like it's gonna be that's what you're going
Speaker 5: to hear, triple.
Speaker 1: Backspin, Okay, you know definitely Looking.
Speaker 5: Now, he's going to turtle walk and he's going to
Speaker 5: go you.
Speaker 6: Know, it's like that's what's going to happen, and people
Speaker 6: are expecting to see this whole I'm telling you that's
Speaker 6: what it's going to be, because that's what the Olympics.
Speaker 6: But baby steps, Hey, we got in. You gotta be
Speaker 6: happy about it, you know. So I tell people look
Speaker 6: at your expectations too, because it's not going to be
Speaker 6: what it is. But my expectation is way hot, right,
Speaker 6: and minus too because I know what the future.
Speaker 1: Whole Crazy Legs came here the next week, there's like
Speaker 1: crazy Legs not a part of it no more.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, because the people in France all run the.
Speaker 1: One running and they're worried crazy well.
Speaker 5: He said, they're worried.
Speaker 3: About that the people that are going to be be
Speaker 3: able to participate, or the athletes that are going to
Speaker 3: be able to participate, are going to be parents that
Speaker 3: can afford to send their kids.
Speaker 1: Now this is a rich thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Just think about it though, Like the athletes that become Olympians,
Speaker 3: for the most part, are people that either have the
Speaker 3: finances to send their kids to train the way they trade.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, and he's That's what I think
Speaker 3: crazy Legs is worried about for for the breakdancing community
Speaker 3: that's gonna it's gonna take it away from its origid
Speaker 3: origins and then people are just gonna like, you know,
Speaker 3: parents will be like, oh, this is an Olympic sport, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll put Jimmy into you know, Olympic breaks.
Speaker 6: Sponsors because you have sponsors and stuff like that. So yeah,
Speaker 6: he's right. He has every right to feel it because
Speaker 6: that's what it's gonna be, because it's like that with
Speaker 6: every other sports. Gymnastics, ice, skating, all that stuff, they
Speaker 6: all fall under. They all have to meet those parameters.
Speaker 6: You gotta have a sponsor, you gotta have training, you
Speaker 6: gotta be accepted into a team, you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, let me ask you, do you like
Speaker 1: hip hop awards?
Speaker 6: I like hip hop awards with you.
Speaker 1: Be honest?
Speaker 5: Is there a real hip hop?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest when they're real? I like him?
Speaker 5: What's the real one?
Speaker 1: The way you just.
Speaker 5: Well, because think about it.
Speaker 6: Right now, they're awarding people for record sales and and
Speaker 6: like a lot of times people are getting awarded for
Speaker 6: record sales, like the Grammys. I have no I'm not
Speaker 6: dissing the Grammys, but sometimes it's like, why did this
Speaker 6: guy get a Grammy over this guy when this guy
Speaker 6: got way better skill than he's done. His album was
Speaker 6: more than this, this and that. So to me, it's
Speaker 6: more based on sales and and and and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a little frustrating when you see like and also
Speaker 6: you know, we had a fight for our respective Remember
Speaker 6: when Jazzy Jeffer and Fresh Prince got there, they.
Speaker 5: Didn't even get they weren't even at on TV.
Speaker 1: It was kind of booed right when there. That's why
Speaker 1: it was boycotted. Boycotted because they wasn't considered Jazzy jeffin
Speaker 1: first Prince at that time wasn't even considered real hip hop,
Speaker 1: right because the people that did because he was commercial
Speaker 1: and again remember was speaking about it.
Speaker 3: It was us judging us right, right, But they boycotted
Speaker 3: it on behalf of they are they were real hip hop.
Speaker 1: And then boycotted it after afterwards. Right And by the way,
Speaker 1: I boycotted with them, and I wasn't even nominated. I
Speaker 1: think you weren't even born about with Jay No no,
Speaker 1: because there was a real thing, Dame j j No, No,
Speaker 1: that was a real thing. They was like, we're not
Speaker 1: going and I didn't go. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Listen, man, somebody had a break down ceiling.
Speaker 1: Do you think it should be a Hip Hop Awards,
Speaker 1: and if there is one, would you be the person
Speaker 1: to lend that.
Speaker 6: I would love to if they would ask me for that,
Speaker 6: no doubt. I'm gonna be honest with you. I feel
Speaker 6: that the co Cours Brothers belongs in the I mean, listen,
Speaker 6: every successful MC that I've met, platinum selling or whatever,
Speaker 6: they always say, you guys are the reason I'm doing
Speaker 6: what I'm doing because we followed you have followed you,
Speaker 6: you know, And to hear that and then it's it's
Speaker 6: it makes me feel good.
Speaker 5: But it's like I think they would look, we don't
Speaker 5: get me.
Speaker 6: Hope that wouldn't hurt got accepted, okay to Rock and
Speaker 6: Roll Hall of Fair Yes, and now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: we have a chance. I'm not in the crew anymore,
Speaker 6: but I earned my spot in that because I wish
Speaker 6: those are my brothers alone to death.
Speaker 5: And you consider yourself not being cold crush anymore.
Speaker 1: In my heart, I am.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not part of the show. I quit the crew,
Speaker 5: but you started the crew.
Speaker 6: So I feel that I deserve any accolades like the
Speaker 6: Rock and Roll ho fing because I helped put that
Speaker 6: our goog.
Speaker 5: I didn't leave because I was mad.
Speaker 1: I left.
Speaker 6: I didn't leave because I was watching you. I left
Speaker 6: because I felt the group was being stagnant. They were
Speaker 6: too complacent. They were happy with what we did when
Speaker 6: I knew we could have done much better, much more,
Speaker 6: and I decided I can't do this with Joe, so
Speaker 6: I gotta go out.
Speaker 3: And yeah, any accolades Cold Crush get you have to
Speaker 3: be a part of it, just like how when NWA
Speaker 3: and Ice Cube reached out to DC to be a
Speaker 3: part of it when they got inducted. They were like, yo,
Speaker 3: people don't don't consider don't think of you as n
Speaker 3: w A, but you are NWAS.
Speaker 5: You're coming through and you are a founding member.
Speaker 6: And I'm always feel part of the Cold Course regardless
Speaker 6: of what I you know, regardless of what I still
Speaker 6: support them. I still big them up into this day.
Speaker 6: I do major shows and I always give them a
Speaker 6: shout out. I always give them the credit, you know.
Speaker 6: But listen, we went together forty somebody is that's a marriage.
Speaker 5: You can't even say them, it's you, right, it's them,
Speaker 5: because I have to. It's not anybody, one person that
Speaker 5: can take credit for what the col Course did.
Speaker 6: It was all a collective. You understand, we did.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, you as in you
Speaker 3: are part of that. I don't mean you solo you.
Speaker 3: You can't keep saying them excluding yourself, is.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 6: Well, when I say them in the sense that you know,
Speaker 6: now they're doing their thing and I'm doing mine. That's
Speaker 6: why what I mean, not that in that sense, you know.
Speaker 6: And I'm always big them up and I'm always be
Speaker 6: happy for them there, but I am not. I can't
Speaker 6: be a part of I'm not just I'm not a
Speaker 6: part of the group. Then I have to unless they
Speaker 6: want to decide to start changing things a little bit more,
Speaker 6: and we just kind of have to sort out things
Speaker 6: between us two, you know.
Speaker 5: Then then I would I would consider it.
Speaker 6: But we have to start.
Speaker 5: We have to start taking a step forward.
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't live in the past anymore. I got to
Speaker 5: move forward. There's so much more.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 6: I met him in Puerto Rico. I think it was
Speaker 6: for the rock Steady anniversary.
Speaker 1: He was running out.
Speaker 5: He was running out.
Speaker 6: Somebody told him I was at He stopped, walked over
Speaker 6: to me and gave me, saidyo, pleasure meeting you and
Speaker 6: he read, yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that way.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus man, I'm so honest that you came and
Speaker 1: sat down with us, man, so honored to give you
Speaker 1: your flower, so honored to tell you how much you
Speaker 1: mean and and everything that I said it in the beginning.
Speaker 1: You know about you know, you being like drink camps father,
Speaker 1: it's the truth, because yeah, I'm giving it to you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It's no child, goddamnit.
Speaker 4: But no.
Speaker 1: But in old seriousness, like I want you to really
Speaker 1: know how much you are adored in hip hop. I
Speaker 1: want you to understand that this is your platform. You
Speaker 1: will come here promote Pink Toenails if we want to.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You can by the way, monster let's
Speaker 1: pick up to Monster Energy. But if you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck you want to promote, you want to come here,
Speaker 1: this is your house. We really appreciate what you did.
Speaker 1: Because now he's super DJ guy, I'm super Puerto Rican
Speaker 1: and like it ends there, right, But I was so
Speaker 1: excited today, Like I mean, I'll be honest, we was.
Speaker 1: We've built red you for a while, like just to
Speaker 1: chomp it up, you know, like both know me and
Speaker 1: him both been excited as fuck, because that's what we
Speaker 1: started this show for, is to make sure that people
Speaker 1: that have been in this game ten years are more
Speaker 1: do not get forgot. I appreciate that, and that's the
Speaker 1: only This is the only genre in the world that
Speaker 1: if if you have ten years or more, they say
Speaker 1: you washed up, tell me tell there's nothing there's not
Speaker 1: in rock and roll. They don't. They don't have a
Speaker 1: word washed up.
Speaker 7: Nostage years old, this nigga is still eating blood.
Speaker 1: It's like, and he's live.
Speaker 5: Where did he get that vegan blood blood?
Speaker 1: Vegan blood? I know, I ain't know, But why in
Speaker 1: our culture do we even allow this conversation to even
Speaker 1: participate to even happen.
Speaker 3: Because we have to continue to raise up these heroes
Speaker 3: and make sure that we give them the accolades they
Speaker 3: deserve and that the youth grows up looking at them
Speaker 3: the way the heroes that they are.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: One of my one of my favorite jay Z albums
Speaker 1: right now is four four four and he made it
Speaker 1: at forty what. I don't even know what age this
Speaker 1: nigga was, But why we can't praise us as we age?
Speaker 6: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Wine gets better that the goal is aging. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you drink some wine that's premature, it's disgusting.
Speaker 6: What the.
Speaker 1: I'm not making this up. You ever drink premature.
Speaker 5: Wine, it's good, you gotta die.
Speaker 1: It's called don't drink it. But what they they say?
Speaker 1: They say, this is a Cabernet from eighteen forty four,
Speaker 1: or you can have nineteen, maybe nineteen. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: why in our culture we don't praise each other. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you face to face, man, and man,
Speaker 1: you are appreciated, you are loved.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Man, We got your motherfucking back and we want to
Speaker 1: continue to support you. Thank you, because without you, there's
Speaker 1: truly nobody in this room, not chet. Besides, if it's
Speaker 1: not for you, there's probably nobody in this room. There's
Speaker 1: probably nobody in this room together. I know how hard
Speaker 1: it is being that odd ball or that the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how hard it is. I know it. I've
Speaker 1: done it so many times, and then they tell me
Speaker 1: I'm a genius after it works. But as I'm doing it,
Speaker 1: everyone's looking at me like you idiot, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I brung a tight shirt, kid, in my studio session.
Speaker 1: He became Pharrell Williams later, but as I was doing it,
Speaker 1: everyone looked at me and said, you're an idiot. Who
Speaker 1: is this guy? Chad Hugo was there to get it twisted,
Speaker 1: But I was the first. So when you're the first,
Speaker 1: you get shut down, you get chastised, you get criticized.
Speaker 1: Everyone says that until it works, and you not only
Speaker 1: was the first one, all on documented documented.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know you say, there's other Puerto Ricans that was
Speaker 1: before you, and Latinos and Latinus whatever before you. But
Speaker 1: let me just tell you something. We hear at drink Champs.
Speaker 1: I want to give you a flowers, We want to
Speaker 1: give you a roses. We want to tell you how
Speaker 1: much absolutely you appreciate it. You are sincerely class per
Speaker 1: signified and we got your mother fucking back.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, let me tell you, Let me tell you something, bro.
Speaker 6: Yes, please, I've always I always tell people this is
Speaker 6: an important platform because you guys just don't talk about
Speaker 6: hip hop. You bring in NFL athletes, NBA athletes, politicians,
Speaker 6: people from all walks of life that matter. That that
Speaker 6: people need to hear that people you feel that that
Speaker 6: you feel is important. This is an important platform. Naw yo,
Speaker 6: my crew will tell you. I don't do interviews. I
Speaker 6: stopped doing interviews years ago. E f N reached out
Speaker 6: to me two years ago. Two years ago, he says, yoh, no,
Speaker 6: you ain't even yeah, I says, yo, we would love
Speaker 6: to have you on Drink Champs. Just let us know
Speaker 6: and and and I will uh fix a slot for you.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: And for years I didn't want to do any anything,
Speaker 6: you know, And this time around, with all this controversy
Speaker 6: and everything, and I turned to my crew. I had
Speaker 6: a conversation with them, and I said, I think it's time.
Speaker 6: And I reached out to e f N and he
Speaker 6: was like, no doubt made it happen. And I'm here
Speaker 6: because this is an important It's not I'm not here
Speaker 6: because it's popular because y'all got millions of fathers now
Speaker 6: that it is an important platform with people, with people
Speaker 6: who have an important thing to say. What an important
Speaker 6: how would you say? An important agenda? They need to
Speaker 6: be here because a lot of people who don't know
Speaker 6: that are uninformed to tune in this and get in formed. Right,
Speaker 6: So this is the platform for that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you. No, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But let's let's re itervate this before we wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I said twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four, you are
Speaker 1: the Puerto.
Speaker 5: Rican Ambassador, Ambassador.
Speaker 1: Ambassador, can we just call it the Charlie Chase Parade.
Speaker 5: That's all day, Let's just call it.
Speaker 1: Listen. I thought that that's what I thought it were.
Speaker 1: So I've been telling diego up, and you are. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I just want you to know, and that's like, what's
Speaker 1: going on. I'm like, Port d Parade changed the name
Speaker 1: to the Charlie Chase Parade. So just let's ride at
Speaker 1: the room. Let's just rive the now Charlie Chase Parade. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's called the fucking Charlie Chase. Fer We can still
Speaker 1: call it porn parade on the side, on the side,
Speaker 1: but up front, we're calling it the Charlie motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that because.
Speaker 6: Something so I mean, we've spoken about what I've done
Speaker 6: in the past, we haven't spoken about about the future.
Speaker 6: Right so right now my partners are here with my
Speaker 6: business partners and stuff. We have a new platform now
Speaker 6: that we created. It took a few years to put
Speaker 6: this together. We basically have the same, uh, the same
Speaker 6: how would you say, capabilities of Netflix and Amazon. We
Speaker 6: have a platform now we can provide that. We've already
Speaker 6: done our first pay per view show. We can do
Speaker 6: we can do anything we want to on this platform.
Speaker 6: We are now Roku, we're getting ready to go on Firestick,
Speaker 6: and we're getting ready to go on Apple TV.
Speaker 5: It's called black Market Media.
Speaker 6: Black Market TV is the channel that we have on
Speaker 6: You can tune on, go to black Market dot com
Speaker 6: and you can log on that way, or if you
Speaker 6: have Roku, you can go on there for now until
Speaker 6: the other two platforms.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, I got that.
Speaker 6: No, it's it's not it's not like too, it's it's
Speaker 6: a platform of its own, would you Eric, Eric.
Speaker 5: Is the guy that put it together.
Speaker 6: Ericident Eric, Right, I forgot your So that platform is
Speaker 6: black Market Media is black Market dot black Market dot
Speaker 6: com TV, black Market tv dot com.
Speaker 5: You'll see you go on there, you see it.
Speaker 6: We have programming, hip hop programming, or you'll see me
Speaker 6: on their interviews.
Speaker 5: And stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Right now, we're about maybe ten thousands and changed viewers
Speaker 6: every month that we have slowly growing.
Speaker 5: We just started it, you know.
Speaker 6: So we're looking to do shows now pay per view stuff,
Speaker 6: and but our platform is so different that if you
Speaker 6: have a business and you want to have a meetings
Speaker 6: or Zoom meeting style, just like you don't need zoom.
Speaker 6: You can do it on ROCU, you can do it
Speaker 6: on on Apple TV, you can do it on on
Speaker 6: on a firestick.
Speaker 1: But what's your what's your platform?
Speaker 5: Black Marker, it's black Media, is black Media?
Speaker 6: Tell it's black Media is the name of the company.
Speaker 6: But the channel is black Market TV. Black Market like
Speaker 6: Magic Marker. We got that happening right now. This is
Speaker 6: blowing up for us and getting ready.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 6: When the parade, we are actually going to broadcast live
Speaker 6: from our float on the float, live from the parade.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be in my in a convertible in
Speaker 5: front of the float with my daughter. She's coming with me.
Speaker 5: The flow is going to be behind us, and we're
Speaker 5: going to be broadcasting live the whole ship, the whole
Speaker 5: thing going down on our channel.
Speaker 6: So this is the future for us. This is going
Speaker 6: to be big. Right now.
Speaker 1: I just told you the story and you started to
Speaker 1: hate a little bit, like not in a hey.
Speaker 3: Come listen, Man, I'm plato all latinos bro.
Speaker 6: Right now, we're having a conversation with the Florida Board
Speaker 6: of Education to come on board because they're considering coming
Speaker 6: out of the platform to conduct all their business on
Speaker 6: the platform. It's it's it's it's a multi level thing
Speaker 6: like you've never seen, bro, and it's all Latino owned,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm say saying. We're pushing that forward
Speaker 6: right now. Right now, I'm also producing for then uh
Speaker 6: not at least not at least that's getting ready to
Speaker 6: come out, you know. And we just we're just looking forward, man,
Speaker 6: forward and upward. That's what we're going with this. Broe listen.
Speaker 1: And do some drops, and.
Speaker 5: Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Man, I want to say it again, thank you because
Speaker 1: when you look at the history you doing what you
Speaker 1: did and when it was the funniest thing is we
Speaker 1: googled the ops we we had to right and the
Speaker 1: Fat Joe pops up and they say, okay, cool, he
Speaker 1: influenced Fat Joe, and Fat Joe already says that how
Speaker 1: much you influenced them? But then then I come up
Speaker 1: after and I'm like this is so dope, Like it's.
Speaker 6: People need to hear your story more because I didn't
Speaker 6: even know about this until the soul that I got.
Speaker 3: Yet that's right now you're gonna come out with his
Speaker 3: autobiography and his documentary and the elementary.
Speaker 1: But let me say it to you and again in
Speaker 1: front these people who listen to us, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: thank you, because thank you man. I truly believe that
Speaker 1: if you wasn't as resilient as you was and stick
Speaker 1: to what you was doing. Because when when when they
Speaker 1: said and I looked at and they said, man, why
Speaker 1: are you playing that type of music? I was related
Speaker 1: to that just so much. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, And I told you, my wife is right there,
Speaker 1: and I looked at my wife. I was like, this
Speaker 1: man's life is my life. It's literal. It's literally my
Speaker 1: life in a different way, like in a different way, right,
Speaker 1: but it's literally. And I was just like, damn. And
Speaker 1: I had to tell you this face to face, man,
Speaker 1: and man, thank you so much. Man. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Thank you, and I appreciate you sticking it out the
Speaker 6: way he.
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