1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show. Hi, everybody, 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, 3 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Todd Z a lucky part of the Foul Territory Network. 4 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Morning after Game four of the twenty four NLDS Phillies 5 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: lose to the Mets, their season is over. In the 6 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: clubhouse last night, guys, I couldn't help but think about 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: how last season ended, and then this spring and Clearwater, 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: when you know the front office had decided to you know, 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: quote unquote run it back, and how all excited all 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: these players were about that opportunity because they felt they 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: had enough talent in the clubhouse to kind of finish 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: the job. They looked at those last five games of 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: the NLCS last year as kind of just like five 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: bad days, but not who they were or who. 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: They are, and man, it looked like a stroke of genius. 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: For like two plus months, I was thinking about that 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Saturday in London, Bryce Harper Holmers, he does that soccer slide, 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: remember it? 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: Front of the dugout. They were forty five in nineteen. 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: On June eighth, they were on pace to win one 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen games after that win in New York 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: in London, and then after that, including this NLDS, they 23 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: finished fifty one and fifty one. 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: Just a really. 25 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: Dramatic turnaround from talking about catching the Seattle Mariners all 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: most wins or best season ever to fading out so 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: hard and so fast in the NLDS. What struck you, 28 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: guys is you watched that game last night and saw 29 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: this season and well short of a World series glad? 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, just uh. 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: Demoralizing. What's a lot of things struck me? Another year off, 32 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: the uh off, the kind of the winning curve or 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: the window or whatever you want to call it. I 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: know some players will dispute that, but they're all going 35 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: to be a year older next year and it becomes 36 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: a little bit harder. But you know what struck me 37 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: is a million things that you know they you mentioned 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: since London. I mean, I hear this stuff that the 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: Mets that they're a better team than the Mets. No, 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: they're not the Mets. And in a big chunk of 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: timing since the All Star break, the Mets are forty 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: five and twenty nine including this series, and the Phillies 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: are thirty four and thirty six. It's the All Star 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: Break mediocre team. The Mets are a better team. Phillies 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: got beat by a better team, a team that performed 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: two of the Phillies. You know, they have an explosive 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: offense and inconsistent offense, but it can be explosive and 48 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: it consistency, which we feared. We talked about all the time. 49 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: It reared its head. It hit like one eight six 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: in this series. Bullpen had an eleven era. They got 51 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: some good starts. You know, Ranger last night had a 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: big responsibility, and we always talk about a good hitter 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: versus dangerous hitter. He was he was like a dangerous 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: pitcher last night. I don't think he was a good pitcher. 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: He put a lot of men on base and he 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: got some big outs with that curve ball. But if 57 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: he keeps his pitch count more in line, maybe he 58 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: gets through that fifth. And the Hoffman thing is Hoffman's 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: going out for the sixth and he's not, you know, 60 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: having a sit and then go back out there and 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 3: allow a couple of base runners and then boom season over. 62 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: So all in all, I think it's a team that. 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: Was a very good team early, but it may have 64 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: just been a hot team early. May have just been 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: a hot team early. Definitely lost some of their edge 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: as the season went on. And if you listen to 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: J T Real Mudo Hawk that he thinks that they 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: they could have turned the switch. The belief in that 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: clubhouse was we can turn the switch in October. But 70 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: you just don't do that. You have to be consistent 71 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: all year and they're big guns for the most part, 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: did not play well in this postseason. Castianos had a 73 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: pretty good run, Harper had that big game, but you know, 74 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: all in all, too much inconsistency, and the Mets were 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: the better team. The Mets are the better team. The 76 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: Mets move on and the Phillies go home with disappointment. They, 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: like you mentioned, they ran a lot back going into 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: this season. That tack cannot be taken this winter. They 79 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: need to make changes, but I don't know where they're 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: gonna make them. It's a very inflexible roster. You know, 81 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame GM is gonna have to be very, 82 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: very creative and give this team a better chance I 83 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: think than you know. Some of his results at the 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: trade deadline the last two years haven't really paid a divid. 85 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, really disappointing season. There's no question about it. At 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 5: the end, I mean, I think they did some great 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 5: things because they you know, they got out of the 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 5: shoot early. They say that you can you can't necessarily 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: win a division in the first couple of months, but 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 5: you can certainly lose it. They didn't lose it. They 91 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 5: came out of the gates. That was something that was 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: really important to them. They came out and He's really 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 5: strong and really at the the reason why they were 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 5: so strong, I think is that their starting pitching was 95 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 5: just insane. And you know, if you really go back, 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 5: go back and look at the schedule, it really wasn't 97 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: that tough for them. They had a really tough schedule 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 5: and then teams that they were playing at the time 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 5: were just not very good teams. On top of that, 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 5: that said, you still have to win the games. But 101 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 5: their pitching was extraordinary. I mean, you start thinking about 102 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 5: the guys that were that were pitching really really well. 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 5: I mean, you had Wheeler, obviously, you had Ranger was insane. 104 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 5: He was a cy young candidate out of the shoot 105 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: right first couple of months of this season. Noel's pitching 106 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 5: pretty well, and uh, you know, Sanchez was dowing throwing 107 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 5: the ball pretty pretty well as well. So I mean 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 5: they even had who's a fifth the fifth starter was 109 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: was outstanding, not turn Turnbull. Timberow was you know, insane. 110 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: I mean in the first you know, you know, few 111 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 5: starts before he went down. As far as the offense 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 5: is concerned, I mean, it is clear to me now 113 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: that this is a as we talked about, a very 114 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 5: dangerous team. It's not a winning lineup because it doesn't 115 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 5: make enough consistent contact, doesn't make quality outs. When a 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 5: guy like Alec Bohm, who's supposed to be one of 117 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 5: your better hitters, really basically went off the face of 118 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 5: the earth or about I think it started happening actually 119 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 5: right after the All Star break. I think he sort 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 5: of went south. I know that people talk about the hand, 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: but he was sort of going south right after the 122 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 5: All Star break. The second half of the season was 123 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 5: not very good. I don't have the numbers in front 124 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 5: of me, but they're not. It wasn't very strong. He 125 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: had a very very good first half obviously to make 126 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 5: to make the playoffs, and I was thinking that he 127 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: was really good at you know, catapult forward, but he didn't. 128 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 5: Guys like Scott and marsh really didn't do very much. 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: They were not productive players. I was very very disappointed 130 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 5: in that. I thought, you know, the center field, I 131 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 5: thought Rojas did okay. I mean, it was some improvement 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 5: in his stuff, but you know, he's still very exploitable. 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: He's not a great offensive player. He may never be. 134 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 5: I think that there's a lot of changes that have 135 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 5: to be made in an outfield. That center field left 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 5: field situation is scary. Uh, there's not much there production wise. 137 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 5: I don't know what David and Browse is going to 138 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 5: do about that, but they're going to have to fill 139 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: it with people who I believe are going to have 140 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 5: to make better contact and have better grinding type of 141 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 5: bats and less streaky players. Because you have a streaky 142 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: player in Schworeber Turner, Harper's little less streak. He's a 143 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: little streaky as well, but less streaky now that he's 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 5: a little older. You have Castianos who's actually pretty consistent. 145 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 5: But then beyond that, I mean and JT. Realmuto, who's 146 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: you know, off the face of the earth. At the end, 147 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 5: there super streaky players tied up in a ton of 148 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 5: money and they got to fill in certain guys in 149 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: that lineup, they're gonna have to, you know, make better contact. 150 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 5: The other issue is that bullpen. I like some of 151 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 5: the guys in the bullpen. I think Strom's gonna be fine, 152 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 5: Hawkins gonna be a free agent, He's gonna be gone. 153 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 5: I don't think they'll do resign him because he's gonna 154 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 5: want a ton of money, especially after what we saw 155 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: here at the end. I just feel like these guys 156 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: they have a lot of things to unpack here because 157 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: it's not a winning roster right now, and we will 158 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 5: be right back deal. 159 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna run sprint to the outfield just 160 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 6: to save a few bucks. It has to be easy, 161 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 6: no hoops, no bs. 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You know, games ones 182 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 3: are so important. You get a great start from Wheeler, 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: you have a lead off home run from shorebur and 184 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: you just don't build on it. And you're in your 185 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: home ballpark and you just don't build on it. There 186 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: was such a such an opportunity there, and this team 187 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: just fumbled it away. 188 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: And Matt Strom last night said, man, it was right 189 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: there in front of us, if we could have just 190 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: gotten back to Philly for Game five with Wheeler on 191 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: the mound. And I understand what he's saying, but I 192 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: also agree with what you're saying they had that, they 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: had that moment, They had that moment, they had the 194 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: moment at home with Zach Wheeler, and they blew it. 195 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: You know, they did see But the one thing that 196 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: struck me, the one thing that struck me really was 197 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 5: that I think the Mets wanted it more. They were looser, 198 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 5: they were more relaxed, they were playing with some more passion. 199 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 5: I shouldn't say they wanted it more, because I know 200 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 5: I'm sure that they I'm sure that the Phillies wanted it, 201 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 5: but they played with a passion that was different than 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 5: the than the Phillies did. The Phillies did not do 203 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 5: everything they possibly could to win the game. They did 204 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 5: not bear down and swing at strikes. They did not 205 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: foul pitches off when they needed to. They did not 206 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: move runners when they had to. They did not do 207 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 5: the things that you have to do to be a 208 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 5: winning team. And that's what you know. If I was 209 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 5: sitting up there, and in a lot of ways, I 210 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: was sitting up thinking as a GM or thinking as 211 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 5: a you know, a coach or something like that, I'm 212 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 5: thinking they're not doing the things that need to be 213 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 5: done to win this pricking series. And the Mets did, 214 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 5: and so in some ways they lost the series. In 215 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 5: other ways, the Mets wanted the Phillies were. 216 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: They had enormous expectations, and they played tight and what 217 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: you're basically articulating, and some Mets played free and easy 218 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: with house money and they were relaxed. And when you 219 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: when you are you know, I mean, you want to 220 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: play with intensity and focus. But there has to be 221 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: a looseness and the Mets had it because I don't 222 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: think you know, they came into the season not expecting 223 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: to be there. They're pulling off all these late wins. 224 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: They have a great second half, they're kind of getting 225 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: some momentum, and they feel good about themselves. And the 226 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: Phillies are spinning their wheels for two three months, and 227 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 3: you know, in the back of their mind they're worried 228 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: about this series. Real Mudo even admitted it, come after 229 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: Game two. Tight team, loose team. It's hard to be 230 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 3: yourself when you're tight and you have a lot of 231 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: and you're smothered by the weight of expectations. And we've 232 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: seen it two octobers in a row. Now, we saw 233 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: it in the second half of that Arizona series last year. 234 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: The smothering expectations led to poor at bats. I mean 235 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: there was you know, Kimberl didn't pitch well. You can 236 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: argue whether he should have even been in the games, 237 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: but there was a tightness to this team that did 238 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: not lend itself to win. It to playing winning baseball. 239 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: The last two octobers, they haven't dealt well with these 240 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: enormous expectations that just continue to grow. It's a tough 241 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 3: town to play in. It's a tough town to play in. 242 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 5: Man, I have just a quick, quick question, I have 243 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 5: a quick comment. I would say this, and I'm guilty 244 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 5: of this as well. Like I'm not a fan of 245 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 5: a player like you know, Jazz Chisholm, for example, but 246 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: he plays with some swagger, he plays with some juice, 247 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 5: and he plays Maybe this team needs a little bit 248 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 5: of that because they've got a lot of professional guys 249 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: just gonna go about their business or whatever. Maybe you 250 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: have to have a guy that has a little bit of, 251 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 5: you know, swagger. And I don't like Jesse Winker. I'm 252 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 5: not a fan of his, but I think a lot 253 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: of people I think he pisses a lot of people off. 254 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 5: But I mean, maybe you have to have one of 255 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: those kind of like quote unquote assholes who's who goes 256 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: and and you know, plays and has fun and you know, 257 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe maybe you have to have somebody 258 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 5: with a little bit of looseness, maybe not that exact player, 259 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 5: but somebody who's got some looseness and some swagger. Because 260 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: we didn't see it. They were stated not play a nice, flowing, happy, 261 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 5: joyous brand of baseball. 262 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 4: Don't they have one of those guys in Bryce Harper, 263 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 4: That's what he came to town as. 264 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I just kind of feel like they 265 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: were just so tight offensively and just almost like they 266 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: felt they thought what we all thought, which is they're 267 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: not they can't get these at bats going there, they 268 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: can't put good at bats together, and it just made them. 269 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: So tight because we've seen it. I mean, remember last 270 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: last year. 271 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: They when they're getting on base and they're hitting doubles 272 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: and and they're doing all these gestures, they're gyrating and 273 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So when they're hitting, they're doing good, 274 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: like you know, they're having a lot of fun out there. 275 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I just feel like they just got totally like suffocated 276 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: by by expectations. And I remember something that Nick Castiano 277 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: said last night. He said, it's not how you start, 278 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: it's how you finish. And we started fantastic. Everybody in 279 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: baseball and all the fans are saying, this is our year, 280 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: this is our year. I don't know if expectations put 281 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: on the pressure, I can speculate, but one thing I 282 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: know is that we didn't cross the finish line. So 283 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: that sounds like somebody who was the last couple months 284 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: of the season kept hearing about expectations and kept hearing 285 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: about are you guys gonna mess up the bed in 286 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the postseason like he did last year in the last 287 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: five games of the NLCS, right, And that's. 288 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, listen, and it's what's funny is he's 289 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 5: sort of semi calling out his teammates because they did 290 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: they craped the bed. I mean, everybody else did. He didn't. Yeah, 291 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 5: he played, no, he played with swagger. You know, you 292 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 5: can say what you want about the guy. The guy played. 293 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 5: He produced, he had good at bats, he did things 294 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 5: that you're supposed to do as a you know, as 295 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 5: a talent, and nobody else did not. One guy Parpara 296 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: had the one good game. 297 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: They had four, They had four good innings. 298 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 5: It's a little to me, it's a little embarrassing. And 299 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: I don't know what they're gonna do as far as 300 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 5: like what changes they may make on personnel or something 301 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 5: has to change because this is not getting it done. 302 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: And I do believe that Dave Nembowski will realize that. 303 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 5: I do believe that Middleton will realize that. And I 304 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: do think that you're gonna have some pretty significant changes 305 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 5: on this team because they need a different makeup and 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 5: they need a different set of players to get them 307 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 5: to where they need to be. 308 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, guys, how do you 309 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: fix this? How do you fix this? 310 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, because Okay, you know your catcher's back, he's 311 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: not going anywhere. Your first basement's got seven more years, 312 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: your your shortstop's got nine more years. You got a 313 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: couple of young players in your lineup, but their value 314 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: is got has probably gone down a little bit, and 315 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: you've got a humongous payroll already. I don't know how 316 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: many more big tickets you can take on. What's the 317 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: I know it's early and something will evolve here, and 318 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: but what is the fix? 319 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: Well, this is where everybody's gonna start saying you gotta 320 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: get Juan Soto. 321 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: You've got to get Juan Soto. 322 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: And and I do want I don't think they're going 323 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: to get him, but I do think that John Milton's. 324 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: Gonna be maybe more involved, or maybe a. 325 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: Third chance was five percent, maybe it goes up to 326 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: seven percent, you know, because I feel like they got 327 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: to go out and find a sure fire hitter that 328 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: you can plug in there. And if it's not Juan Soto, 329 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, I guess is out there right. 330 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'm sure there's some other guys. 331 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, nothing's coming off the top of my head, 332 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but uh, there's there are 333 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: some hit I feel like they got to go out 334 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: and get like somebody for sure you can plug in 335 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: there and feel really good about, like we know what 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna get. 337 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: From this guy. 338 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: But they also felt like they knew what they were 339 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: gonna get every day from Trey Turner when they signed him. 340 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: And he's been so hot and cold as well. And 341 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: he didn't really hear about the streakiness of Nick cassidy 342 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: House when they got him, but he's been he's been 343 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: very streaky that you know. 344 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: The last few years. 345 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: So a Surebert. So I'm a sure Bert as well. 346 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 5: He's been super streaky too, you know, with the strikeout streaks. 347 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: So I mean to me, you got to get bona 348 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: fide guys who makes consistent contact, A three hundred hitter 349 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 5: with three seventy on base percentage, that's what you need. 350 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 5: And you need one or two of those guys. You 351 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: need at least one of them, because you need somebody 352 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 5: to solidify the lineup that you know can make a 353 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 5: quality out. Yeah, and one or two of those guys, 354 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 5: and Somebody's gonna have to step forward, like Stot's gonna 355 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 5: have to change his whole. Stott could not get to 356 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 5: a ninety two mile an hour fastball at the end 357 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 5: of the season. He was either super tired or he 358 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 5: forgot about using his top hand bone could not get 359 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 5: to a fastball on the inside part of the plate. 360 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: Something's gonna have to happen. I don't know whether these 361 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: guys are gonna get moved. I don't like Turner shortstop. 362 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 5: I don't I think he is uh, he can be 363 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 5: a detriment to shortstop. I think he's a guy that 364 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: they have to at least con that are moving off 365 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 5: short For me, I think he is a great athlete, 366 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 5: supreme athlete. But I think it also would give him 367 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 5: a lot less things to think about. If you just 368 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 5: put him in the outfield further away from the baseball, 369 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 5: put him in left field, that solves one of your 370 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: outfield issues. Slide stop, maybe the short stop. You don't 371 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 5: have to worry about Stott having as much offense and 372 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: let them worry about defense. Look for a second baseman 373 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 5: like Bregman or third basement. He can play anywhere in 374 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: the infield. He could probably second, second, or third. There's 375 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of things that can happen. Aiden Miller 376 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 5: may have to step forward to be the guy and 377 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: you know, stick him in there somewhere second base or something, 378 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 5: or give Crawford an opportunity to battle in center field 379 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 5: with I mean, maybe you just have to push some 380 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 5: of these young guys and give them opportunities. Other teams 381 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 5: have done it. I'm not big on that, but hey, 382 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 5: I think you've got to shake some things up and 383 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: put some heat on some people. 384 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: Well, we know Dave Demrowski's not afraid to promote young players. 385 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: He said it many many times since he's been here. 386 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: Now this is the next is going to be the opportunity. 387 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: To really prove it. 388 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: With Miller and Crawford both finishing and reading both having 389 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: great seasons, the Phillies are super high on both of 390 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: those guys. Andrew Paynter not that starting pitching is an issue, 391 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: but they expect him to compete and pitch for this 392 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: in the rotation at some point next season. So yeah, 393 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you try to add a big bat and 394 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: hope that Crawford and can push somebody in center field, 395 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: and maybe Aiden Miller can push both Boem. 396 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: And Bryce and Stott. I mean, well he can push both, right. 397 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: Aden Miller was in high school, you know. Yeah, we've 398 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: seen seventeen months ago. 399 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 5: That's a lot. I mean that's a lot. I know, 400 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 5: I mean that's a lot. 401 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot. And I also do think they 402 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: have starting pitching issues. If I watched this team all year, 403 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: there was a big drop off in four and five. 404 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: They didn't have pitching depth after Ranger and the fifth 405 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 3: starter had a lot of trouble. So I think they 406 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: could use more starting pitching and they know it. They 407 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: pursued Garrett Crochet at the break. What does that tell 408 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: you they think they need it. So I don't know 409 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 3: what's going to happen, but uh, it's it's going. 410 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: To be a challenge. I expect them. You know, you 411 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 4: have too much invested. 412 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: You have there is too much tread left on the 413 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: tire of this nuclear So time is ticking, there is 414 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: some tread left on it. 415 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 4: You got to do something to rescue it. 416 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: Let's get into Them's Fighting words. Them's Fighting Words is 417 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: presented by Shy but Vintage Sports. 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But 427 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: I think at the same time, you don't pay Wheels 428 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: and Knowles if you don't think you're gonna be competitive 429 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: for the next five years. 430 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: I mean he's not wrong, of course, Uh. 431 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna be They're gonna try to extend this as 432 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: long as they possibly can. But he also sees the 433 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: reality of this current group. It is getting really short. Schwarber. Uh, 434 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, JT, like you said, Jeff Hoffman is a 435 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: free agent free agent after the season, so they you know, 436 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: they they're gonna have to uh retool and add and 437 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: try to extend this as long as possible. 438 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: What do you think about what Harper said, Rubin. 439 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 5: Well, I think I don't think there's any question about retooling. 440 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 5: I've had to do it through this. I mean, they 441 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 5: didn't have any major injuries that we had to deal with, 442 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 5: but the you know, for us, it was the big 443 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 5: piece who went down and hoping that he would bounce back. 444 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 5: We lost you know, Holliday as well, which we didn't 445 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 5: know he was basically broken. After the twenty eleven season, 446 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 5: we ran it back with another closer and papal Bond, 447 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 5: thinking that, you know, we just needed somebody to lock 448 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 5: it down at the end of the game, but all 449 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 5: the rest of the guys just got old and broken. 450 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 5: So and we went south and obviously couldn't couldn't work 451 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: through it. You know, it's a difficult decision and it's tough, 452 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 5: tough stuff that dem Browse's gonna deal with it. There. 453 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 5: They are going to continue to go for it, There's 454 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: no question about it. They're not going to start rebuilding, 455 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: but they're definitely going to have to retool with a 456 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: different set of pieces because these pieces aren't working. To 457 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 5: be like the definition of insanity, you know, keep trying 458 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 5: the same thing and hoping them for a different result, 459 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 5: it's not going to happen. So the bullpen a different 460 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 5: alineation as far as like their offense, how are going 461 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 5: to attack? You know, who knows what's what's what's in line? 462 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: I think I do believe in my heart of hearts 463 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 5: that Rob Thompson is uh or letting him go, And 464 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 5: you know people are talking about that. I'm sure is 465 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 5: not the answer because he is outstanding, and I believe 466 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: in the guy that said you you may see some 467 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 5: personnel changes. You may see some things happen because you 468 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 5: didn't see them making the adjustments that were necessary, especially 469 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 5: on the offensive side. Who knows, I mean, Dobrowski will 470 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 5: make moves. He's not afraid. I mean, I've been fired 471 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: by him, and then they went on and win they 472 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: went they went on to win the World Series, and 473 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 5: I thought we had a really great staff, but you 474 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 5: know what, they brought in Alex Score and they changed 475 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 5: some things around and they ended up winning it. So 476 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 5: you know, he's gonna he's gonna make some changes, There's 477 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 5: no question about it. And uh, Middleton's going to demand 478 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 5: some changes and some actions. So so we'll see what happens. 479 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: I knowing Middleton and observe him for many years, He's 480 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: going to ask some really tough questions of his leadership, 481 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 3: of his GM and his manager. 482 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: There's gonna be an accounting somewhere for this. I don't 483 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: know where it is. 484 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: I would agree with you on on on Rob Thompson. 485 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: I think he's done an excellent. 486 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 4: Job with this team. 487 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: Uh, and and he's to me, he's not the fall 488 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: guy here. But I think there is going to be 489 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: an accounting somewhere. I don't know where, but that's definitely 490 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: something to keep your eye on. 491 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 5: Todd, you gotta hit Todd. You got to hit a 492 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 5: train here, pretty soon, don't you. Yeah. 493 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still in Queen's Yeah, So we will, 494 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: we'll be back throughout the off season. We're gonna be 495 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna continue doing shows at least twice a week. 496 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: There's can be plenty of stuff to talk about. So 497 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: thank you to all the listeners. Since we started this 498 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: on Opening Day, thanks to all the viewers on YouTube. 499 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: We literally threw this thing together at the last minute, 500 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: like the day before Opening day, guys, as I recall, yes, right, 501 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: maybe maybe two days before, like let's let's get together 502 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: through a podcast. And the response has been tremendous. I 503 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: hear from people at the ballpark and just in general 504 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: about this podcast more than anything, and I know you 505 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: guys do too. People really seem to enjoy it. And 506 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: we're super appreciative of everybody that is following along with us. 507 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: So hang with us this off season. We're gonna be 508 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: back next week, do a couple episodes. Like I said, 509 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: maybe twice a week, maybe more, maybe if won Soto sweepstakes, 510 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: will be. 511 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 4: Break it down. 512 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 5: We're gonna have some guests too, and some some people 513 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 5: to talk to and people to talk you know, the offseason, 514 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 5: and talk about what's going on in the rest of 515 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 5: the world baseball world as well. 516 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is gonna be plenty to talk about on 517 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: The Phillies Show. Because the Phillies are going, they need 518 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 3: to have a busy winter. This team needs a lot 519 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: of tweaking. They need some changes because they need to 520 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: support that aging core, high priced aging core that still 521 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: has tread on its tire. 522 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 4: Harper Turner. Turner needs to be better. 523 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: We know that, but Wheelers here, Nola's here, Castiano's real Mudo. 524 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: They need to fill in around the edges to support 525 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: this team and make it better because they're still. 526 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: Gonna have a nucleus. 527 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: It's still gonna have a high payroll, They're still gonna 528 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: have high expectations, and that's the way it's going to 529 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: be around here for a while. So they need to 530 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: figure out a way to make this team a winner 531 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 3: that it can have a consistent six months. You know, 532 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: they don't have to be red hot every year out 533 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 3: of the gate. They need to just be consistent for 534 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: six months and give themselves a much better chance than 535 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 3: they gave themselves this October. And the glaring thing they 536 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: need to address is the offense. They're loaded with free swingers. 537 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: They need to figure out a way to get some 538 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: guys who can barrel up some balls have some good 539 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: at bats while you wait for that explosive core to 540 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: have one of their hot streaks. So a lot on 541 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski's played. He's a very accomplished general manager, and 542 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure he's already thinking about it. And I'm sure 543 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: John Middleton he's not going. 544 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: To lose his will to win. He's not going to 545 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: lose his thirst. He's not going to lose his thirst. 546 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 4: It's going to be an interesting winter. 547 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 5: Their tows not in the water, their whole bodies in 548 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 5: the water, right exactly. 549 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: They're all in. 550 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 5: They're all in. 551 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 4: It's a good point. 552 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: Like you know, the Mets have a huge payroll, huge 553 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: bigger than the Phillies, but they kind of actually had 554 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: this mindset of toe. 555 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: In the water this year. 556 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: They had more of a toe in the water mentality 557 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: coming in even though I had a big payroll. 558 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 4: And then all of a. 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: Sudden they catch fire and they're all in. So yeah, 560 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: expectations really, I think just war on this team. Maybe 561 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: it'll be good to report to clear water with some 562 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: lower expectations and see what happens. 563 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: No doubt, guys. Well, I was gonna say it was fun, 564 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: but it's kind of. 565 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: Well, the season was fun. This season was a blast. 566 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed being with you guys, and we're gonna 567 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 5: be doing plenty more. But really absolutely with you guys. 568 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, it's awesome. 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