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<v Speaker 1>Made in America. You'd have to take out a mortgage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one more.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to that. Okay, do you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the gym every day? I've heard of these my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never done them. What is a crunch.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a sit up where your knees are bent

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<v Speaker 4>and your elbows and your knees touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Sit up where your knees are bent and you touch

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<v Speaker 2>your own.

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<v Speaker 4>Feet off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you don't have to have your feet off

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<v Speaker 1>the ground really technically, but it's not like a full

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<v Speaker 1>set up because they figured they found out that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not good for your back or something.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like a semi sit up.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done a gazillion sit ups in my life, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's working the same muscles. Crunches and sit ups.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can terminal muscles, yeah, different parts anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>You can like alternate elbow, right elbow to left knee

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<v Speaker 1>and back and forth and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I just up halfway.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw this. Uh, how many crunches you should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do at different ages? And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty one you're in your forties and twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>you're in your fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>And how likely should I be to fall for listicles

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<v Speaker 1>at various ages?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, I don't know anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking about that because I I one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons I've never done any crunches is for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, that's not a body part. I've been likened

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<v Speaker 2>the one body part, like if there was a great

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<v Speaker 2>exercise for my calves. I am so embarrassed by my calves.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, if I have to get undressed anywhere, what

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody's staring at is my calves.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I really, yes, are they get leggedday?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that what? My calves are so skinny? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just genetically that's just the way I'm built. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they are like little toothpicks. They're probably sinewy though, right somewhat.

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<v Speaker 2>But my ankles I have tiny bone structures, So my

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<v Speaker 2>ankles are tiny like a pencil. And then it goes

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<v Speaker 2>up there to the knee and you're like a racehorse

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<v Speaker 2>or chicken. I used to lift weights with this big chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah all right, right, or that's what a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine used to say, are those your legs or are

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<v Speaker 2>you writing a chicken? And then another guy used to

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<v Speaker 2>lift weights with these are the big football star. Dude said, Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to do something about those ankles.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I don't know how much you can build up angle.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, you can't do anything about your ankles. Your

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<v Speaker 2>ankles or your ankles.

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<v Speaker 4>There are few things that hurt more than your calves

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<v Speaker 4>being sore after like really working them out. It makes

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<v Speaker 4>walking so difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've been I've been in the gym like almost

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<v Speaker 2>every day for I don't know how many months now

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, and and it's it's been good for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't do anything for my calves, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>so and it's becoming more noticeable, not less.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of my body has like you know, improved,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still look like I'm are you writing a chicken?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like an important thing in my life, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at and I wish there was something

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<v Speaker 2>similar to crunches that they've really developed that they think, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this really targets your calves and mandous results.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you could just you know, you stand flat footed,

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<v Speaker 1>then raise up on your toes, hold it for two

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<v Speaker 1>three seconds and do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty A lot of those, and I've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 2>ever happen.

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<v Speaker 1>What could be just you're not built to that's having

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<v Speaker 1>been moderately overweight my entire life.

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<v Speaker 3>I have very beautifully developed calves.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever, you know, you see a big fat guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the street, if he moves around a lot, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a sedentary fat guy. He's gonna have massive calves

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<v Speaker 1>from one of the few benefits of being overweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're exercising them just by moving around.

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<v Speaker 3>You're lifting weights.

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<v Speaker 4>I like what my coach said to me the other day.

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<v Speaker 4>I work out for everyone else's safety because you get

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<v Speaker 4>you get all the aggression out, and then you can

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<v Speaker 4>go about your day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh there you go. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Final note before we get into the gist of the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast today. I just have a very tight schedule today

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<v Speaker 1>and I was texting my beloved bride, do you have

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<v Speaker 1>time to make me a ham sandwich? But inexplicably I typed,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have time to making me a man sandwich?

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized just before they sent it, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, and it's not the way to introduce it through

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<v Speaker 2>text unless you do it regularly. And let's this is something.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's it? Okay, so you and make man sandwiches

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<v Speaker 2>on a regular basis. So it was pickups, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's what we call it was an odd for

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<v Speaker 2>you gardener down the street. It wasn't odd for you

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<v Speaker 2>to say you have time for man sandwich today. The

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<v Speaker 2>gardeners here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, oh boy, glad I did not hit send.

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<v Speaker 1>Where were we are? Speaking of smartphones? Johanna Stern, who

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<v Speaker 1>writes the tech column for The Wall Street Journal, an

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<v Speaker 1>American made iPhone just expensive or completely impossible?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'm kind of curious.

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<v Speaker 1>About that question, and it might be something we all

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<v Speaker 1>find out at some like soon, but I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more interested just in what it takes to assemble something

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<v Speaker 1>like a smart.

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<v Speaker 2>But on that topic, I keep seeing these memes of

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<v Speaker 2>or comments about, so this is what we want Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sewing shoes together or tuning, turning tiny screws

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<v Speaker 2>and iPhones.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, when do we become this precious about jobs?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I lifted up bales of hay every single day first

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<v Speaker 2>four years because it was a great job and I

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<v Speaker 2>made money, and I bought a motorcycle in high school

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<v Speaker 2>and everything I did it willingly. There are people that

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<v Speaker 2>would turn screws and iPhones willing it's not your dream

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<v Speaker 2>job or you want to end up in life. But

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a job that pays enough to do, why

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<v Speaker 2>why you decided that that's I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get that angle of attack on this whole

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<v Speaker 2>tearf thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As that young man who we talked about, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a Navy seal, Harvard doctor and astronaut, said there's no

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<v Speaker 1>job that you're better than. I'll go with his attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, mm, I find some of this stuff really interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and not to get to terrify on you

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, but so Commerce secretary who told CBS

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<v Speaker 1>has faced the nation it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be automated.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to make the iPhones in the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>they point out, except the iPhones contain a patchwork of

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated parts sourced from many countries and put together primarily

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<v Speaker 1>in China, where electronics manufacturing has been perfected over a generation.

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<v Speaker 1>America doesn't have facilities that resemble Chinese ones, nor does

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<v Speaker 1>it have skilled manpower to assemble iPhones at that scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how long it would take to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up those skills Honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever seen the inside of an iPhone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oddly enough, so, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Writes, we assembled a panel of manufacturing and tech experts

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<v Speaker 1>to find out how hard it would be for Apple

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<v Speaker 1>to bring iPhone production to the US. The short answer,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to teach a bald eagle to use a screwdriver.

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<v Speaker 1>They unanimously agree, it's very difficult. They have talents, jack

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<v Speaker 1>and no thumbs. Building the full stack of iPhone com

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<v Speaker 1>opponents and assembling in in the US impossible. Shifting some

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing here not totally insane. So here's what it would

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<v Speaker 1>take to build at least part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>In the land of the free.

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<v Speaker 1>There are parts from over forty different countries inside a

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<v Speaker 1>single iPhone.

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<v Speaker 2>And that would be the free market of building iPhones

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<v Speaker 2>at work. That each part is, where's the cheapest way,

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<v Speaker 2>cheapest slash fastest we can get this part to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the most complex and specialized components come from

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<v Speaker 1>about a half a dozen different countries. According to this

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<v Speaker 1>Duke University professor who spent decades studying global manufacturing. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>many of those parts, the sophisticated ones are made in

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<v Speaker 1>or near China, Taiwan, South Korean Japan, which benefit from

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<v Speaker 1>being very close together. The only realistic path to US

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone assembly is to reconstruct its supply chain by shifting

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<v Speaker 1>some of its key component manufacturing to the broader North

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<v Speaker 1>American region Mexico, Canada, maybe even western Europe, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear to them. If a US assembly operation were

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<v Speaker 1>to start in the next three to five years, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it would depend on parts from Asia for at least

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<v Speaker 1>that three to five years. And they're looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>sum of an iPhone's parts and it's costs, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>memory is made in the US, that's the only thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this agree with?

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<v Speaker 1>Other?

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<v Speaker 2>Apple said this, and then another news story said the

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone would cost thirty five hundred bucks if you made

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<v Speaker 2>even some of it in the United States. Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be a pre expensive dang phone. Yes, Michael, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this go ahead, Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just thinking, what about cheaper components. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>they got the fancy glass on it suddenly becomes really

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<v Speaker 5>plastic and.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be the iPhone if they started doing cheaper stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And again, this isn't about scaring into anybody into

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<v Speaker 1>supporting Trump or being against him or anything. I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was interesting describing the realities of the global

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<v Speaker 1>assembly of electronics. And they mentioned that when Apple began

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<v Speaker 1>building the MacPro desktop in the US, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first roadblocks was sourcing enough parts, including screws close to

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<v Speaker 1>home screws and yeah, yeah, the little screws that hold

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<v Speaker 1>the thing together.

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<v Speaker 3>They're made in Asia.

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<v Speaker 4>That seems like something we should surely.

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<v Speaker 2>We can make those. Well, of course we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and instead of being ten dollars a gross, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be one hundred dollars of gross. Times the dozens and

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<v Speaker 1>dozens and dozens of components in an iPhone. That's the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>these little elements in assembling the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They would all go.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, and it would take a while to build a

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<v Speaker 1>plant that built those screws to those specifications. It's not impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just very time consuming and expensive. Even if funding

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<v Speaker 1>were no object, this expert estimates it would take three

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<v Speaker 1>to five years to build out the scale and qual

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<v Speaker 1>required for us to join hands in a big American

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing kumbaya.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to make a man sandwich with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Your calves are too small otherwise at all in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, uh, Then they talk about the severe labor

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<v Speaker 1>shortage that we talked about the other day. Fox Khan,

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<v Speaker 1>which assembles iPhones, has said it employs three hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>workers in Jungxhu, China, known as iPhone City. Was that

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred thousand? Is that where the least?

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<v Speaker 2>The rumors were that they had like putting nets outside

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<v Speaker 2>the windows because so many people were jumping out the

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<v Speaker 2>window to kill themselves'ck.

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<v Speaker 1>The nets were just to keep people the people got

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<v Speaker 1>past our suicide guards.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Hiring is one of the biggest problems facing existing American manufacturers.

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<v Speaker 1>Current manufacturers can't fill their job. What are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do about that? Wise guy? Huh kick him off welfare.

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<v Speaker 2>So if if there's anybody listening who had skinny calves

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<v Speaker 2>and managed to come up with an exercise that actually

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<v Speaker 2>did anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, with the calves.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of the internet?

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<v Speaker 2>How about uh uh? Well, I want actual real world experience.

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<v Speaker 2>The internet is full of crap. Have you used the

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<v Speaker 2>internet recently?

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<v Speaker 4>So many And if you go to the gym every day,

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<v Speaker 4>ask somebody at the gym.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna like, for a second, I'm not talking to

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<v Speaker 2>a human being. I'm not talking to a human being

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<v Speaker 2>in person.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a filler.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we have fillers. The implants is a thing

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>They could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is one of the problems is because my

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<v Speaker 2>ankles are so skinny. There's nothing I can do about that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing you can do about the size of your bone,

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<v Speaker 2>of your ankle or your wrists. It's just what it

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<v Speaker 2>is in adulthood. Even if what filler filler? Oh oh oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was my last tread of respect for you. If

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<v Speaker 2>I got calf filler. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, that'd be

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<v Speaker 2>too much.

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<v Speaker 4>The better figure it out soon because summers around the

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<v Speaker 4>corner you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wear short No, I am not. I have not worn

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<v Speaker 2>shorts in thirty years, so I will be fine. Well, why,

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<v Speaker 2>said Jack?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell Katie?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm a grown up, grown man.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, what's your actual answer for not working?

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<v Speaker 2>That's my actual answer?

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<v Speaker 4>You're kidding me, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like me to forward the New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>article that agrees with me that grown men should not

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<v Speaker 2>wear shorts?

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<v Speaker 1>I wear long pants only under protest or for formal occasions.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Just one more final note on the on the iPhone thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think somebody probably finds it as interesting as

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<v Speaker 1>your calves. Tim Cook told Fortune, but the incentive to

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<v Speaker 1>build in China wasn't really cheap labor. Of course he

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<v Speaker 1>would say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course he would.

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<v Speaker 1>I think both things are true. The products we do

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<v Speaker 1>require really advanced tooling. That's the sophisticated iPhone making equipment.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US, you could have a meeting of tooling engineers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China,

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<v Speaker 1>you could fill multiple football fields.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's troubling because.

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<v Speaker 1>They crank out all the specialized engineers. It's such enormous numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what Trump's trying to change, though, He's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make it so we would have more of those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of people. Take a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing he needs to do, and he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>is crush the woke educational complex. Let's get back to

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<v Speaker 1>educating kids.

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<v Speaker 3>And would that help?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Else? He can fill JACKX calves with some filler.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll post a picture. I'll try to get a good picture.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, well, I've seen skinny cabs. No, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I will post a picture. It's shocking.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you? Did you, guys happen to see the little

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<v Speaker 4>picture I sent you? These are a pair of socks

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<v Speaker 4>that I will be purchasing for Jack as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>we're done with the podcast. They turn your legs into

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<v Speaker 4>chicken legs with a little chicken fee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that would that would be that? Would that would

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<v Speaker 2>be that? Yeah, that'd be too real on my legs.

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<v Speaker 3>How the f did you find those?

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<v Speaker 4>A pair of My friend has a pair of those.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny when she wears them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a terrible look.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny every day at the gym, my buddy, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>those are your legs? You right in chicken every day?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you stand on novelty socks?

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<v Speaker 3>Mister?

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<v Speaker 1>I wear long pants all the time, no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>hot it is. Do you have any like fun socks?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing some right now that I hate to curse again,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm wearing some cousin eddie socks right now that

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<v Speaker 2>say full.

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<v Speaker 3>O. You know what?

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<v Speaker 1>Classy is the only word that pops to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>With my suit. I'm wearing a suit, yeah, reeks of

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<v Speaker 2>class I resisted that for years, but my kids start

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<v Speaker 2>buying them for me, so I've kind of embraced it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and you go into those stores, the socks stores

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<v Speaker 2>that just have walls, there's so oh you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>They're great. I have my favorite Haberdash They're great.

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<v Speaker 4>They're so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything in the world, I mean, anything you can imagine

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<v Speaker 2>of socks. Like my son really likes just the various

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<v Speaker 2>snack socks. He's got Cheeto's, he's got Dorito's, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>no but I have tacos.

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<v Speaker 4>I call him my top socks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just random, weird, you know. Uh, socks for beverages, food.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite pair that I yes, well.

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<v Speaker 4>My favorite pair that I owned, Sorry, Hanson, they just

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<v Speaker 4>say polite.

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<v Speaker 1>As oh more bleeping. I'm withdrawing from this conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>just it's beneath me, take.

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<v Speaker 2>My skinny legs and walk out.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't want a man sandwich, but I'll go

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<v Speaker 5>with a man witch. I need some sloppy jos. Yes, Well,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess that's it.