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Speaker 2: I've done a gazillion sit ups in my life, but

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Speaker 1: There are parts from over forty different countries inside a

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to make a man sandwich with you.

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Speaker 2: Your calves are too small otherwise at all in.

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Speaker 1: Hiring is one of the biggest problems facing existing American manufacturers.

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Speaker 1: Current manufacturers can't fill their job. What are you gonna

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Speaker 2: So if if there's anybody listening who had skinny calves

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, with the calves.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of the internet?

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Speaker 2: How about uh uh? Well, I want actual real world experience.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna like, for a second, I'm not talking to

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Speaker 4: That's a filler.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we have fillers. The implants is a thing

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Speaker 2: I couldn't do that.

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Speaker 4: They could do that.

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Speaker 2: The problem is one of the problems is because my

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Speaker 2: I got calf filler. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, that'd be

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Speaker 4: The better figure it out soon because summers around the

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Speaker 2: Wear short No, I am not. I have not worn

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Speaker 2: shorts in thirty years, so I will be fine. Well, why,

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Speaker 2: said Jack?

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Speaker 3: Tell Katie?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a grown up, grown man.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's your actual answer for not working?

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Speaker 2: That's my actual answer?

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Speaker 4: You're kidding me, it is.

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Speaker 2: Would you like me to forward the New York Times

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Speaker 2: article that agrees with me that grown men should not

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Speaker 1: I wear long pants only under protest or for formal occasions.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't he.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he would.

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Speaker 1: I think both things are true. The products we do

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Speaker 1: They crank out all the specialized engineers. It's such enormous numbers.

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Speaker 1: The one thing he needs to do, and he's trying

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Speaker 3: And would that help?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Else? He can fill JACKX calves with some filler.

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Speaker 2: I'll post a picture. I'll try to get a good picture.

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Speaker 2: You think, well, I've seen skinny cabs. No, you don't know.

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Speaker 2: I will post a picture. It's shocking.

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Speaker 4: Did you? Did you, guys happen to see the little

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Speaker 4: we're done with the podcast. They turn your legs into

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Speaker 2: be that? Yeah, that'd be too real on my legs.

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Speaker 3: How the f did you find those?

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Speaker 4: A pair of My friend has a pair of those.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny when she wears them.

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Speaker 3: That's a terrible look.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny every day at the gym, my buddy, Matt,

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Speaker 2: those are your legs? You right in chicken every day?

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on novelty socks?

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Speaker 3: Mister?

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Speaker 1: I wear long pants all the time, no matter how

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Speaker 1: hot it is. Do you have any like fun socks?

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing some right now that I hate to curse again,

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Speaker 2: but I'm wearing some cousin eddie socks right now that

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Speaker 3: O. You know what?

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Speaker 1: Classy is the only word that pops to mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this thing.

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Speaker 2: With my suit. I'm wearing a suit, yeah, reeks of

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Speaker 2: class I resisted that for years, but my kids start

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Speaker 2: buying them for me, so I've kind of embraced it.

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Speaker 2: Oh and you go into those stores, the socks stores

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Speaker 2: that just have walls, there's so oh you have it.

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Speaker 2: They're great. I have my favorite Haberdash They're great.

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Speaker 4: They're so funny.

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Speaker 2: Everything in the world, I mean, anything you can imagine

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Speaker 2: of socks. Like my son really likes just the various

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Speaker 2: snack socks. He's got Cheeto's, he's got Dorito's, he's got

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Speaker 2: no but I have tacos.

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Speaker 4: I call him my top socks.

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Speaker 2: It's just random, weird, you know. Uh, socks for beverages, food.

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Speaker 2: My favorite pair that I yes, well.

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Speaker 4: My favorite pair that I owned, Sorry, Hanson, they just

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Speaker 4: say polite.

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Speaker 1: As oh more bleeping. I'm withdrawing from this conversation. I

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Speaker 1: just it's beneath me, take.

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Speaker 2: My skinny legs and walk out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't want a man sandwich, but I'll go

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Speaker 5: with a man witch. I need some sloppy jos. Yes, Well,

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Speaker 5: I guess that's it.