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Speaker 1: He challenged me to a race. That's a big fella.

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Speaker 1: It is no way you're gonna beat me. And then

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the O g S. It is a

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Speaker 3: Playmaker Original presented by Draft Kings. And we got Miami

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Speaker 3: in the building today. This is Miami right This is Miami.

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Speaker 4: Heat right here. This is Miami heat right here.

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like if I drew up words to

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Speaker 3: mid me, he to be like, you.

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Speaker 4: Start with this right here, you'll be in the show

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Speaker 4: to show you wanted to be with Crayon. I got that.

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Speaker 3: Man, NBA champions, seven time All Star, two time Defensive

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Speaker 3: Player of the Year, and we're gonna talk about that

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Speaker 3: because there probably should have been more.

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Speaker 4: We definitely gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 3: All NBA Selections man block leader, got the league Gold medals.

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Speaker 3: I mean what we're doing here, Hall of Favorite Man,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you coming in big.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it. I have the personally apologize that it took

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Speaker 4: so long. Yeah, well that got your ship last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonnat. Everybody under the bus.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I'm not going to wow. Am I

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Speaker 1: just now being anybody to be on the show.

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Speaker 4: How long y'all been in existence this season too? Oh

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Speaker 4: that's it? But you yeah, text have been one of

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Speaker 4: the first ones on the show. You're absolutely right. My

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Speaker 4: text message here and that's why that's he coaching, and

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Speaker 4: that's why coach hold each other count and then readA

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Speaker 4: right up the street. This is true. And I sit

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Speaker 4: to me six minutes from the arena to get here.

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Speaker 4: You know what, You're right? Cut this motherfuck were gonna

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Speaker 3: So talk about growing up in Va, growing up in

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Speaker 4: Well, it all started. I was eight years old, and

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Speaker 4: because you know, you had you had a unique situation.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of fast tracking it. But connections. He was connected,

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Speaker 4: You know. So Big John pulled him in his side.

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Speaker 4: Ted Copple Nightline and everything. Yeah, man, it was no joke.

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Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, So part of me going to the University

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Speaker 4: I know who we gotta go who we know? Thank you,

435
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 4: thanks to you. Yeah, yeah, we got it. I gotta

436
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: go with Michael Chick. I know him. We both on

437
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 4: Michael Jah.

438
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: I gotta go with Michael on that ride with the

439
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: home team. Yeah, we're going with Mike UFC three fourteen

440
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: percent a by DraftKings. We're both going. Michael to THEI

441
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: his ass. Mike, get on there, Hey, Michael Channer, go

442
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: get it there. You got the odds out here.

443
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 4: That must be a real good kidnap about no odds?

444
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, not today. We don't he a u D with

445
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: the UFC being in your city.

446
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

447
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: What do you think about these other cards?

448
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 4: Man? I'll tell you one thing. I know who ain't

449
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 4: picking Patricio Pittbull. He ain't even got a pitchure up there. Usually,

450
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 4: and they usually I'm picking a Brazilian tackle your ass

451
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: and grabbing your ass. To the ground. But he ain't

452
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: even got no pitch up there, So I definitely got

453
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: to go with a year. You know what, I don't

454
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 4: know about neither one of these guys. I'm being honest.

455
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go with silver. Anybody last named silver,

456
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 4: whoop your ass? I'm going up up here to this one,

457
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: Bryce Mitchell and Jean Silver. I'm taking Jean Silver. Sorry, Bryce,

458
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: I know you're American. What the man last named silver? Silver?

459
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: Always anything you have seen your last name is silver.

460
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 4: You're a certain ass kicker. I'm taking Silver for the show.

461
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: So not pitbull, but Silver.

462
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: No, I ain't taking pitbull that if that ain't the

463
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: pit bull that I know, that ain't taking.

464
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: You see three fourteen for some of my draft cacks.

465
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: Good picture.

466
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: Let's talk about so you leave Georgetown go to Charlotte,

467
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: one of my favorite teams. I grew up watching old Charlotte,

468
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: Charlotte Hornets.

469
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel that during that time, the early nineties, that

470
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: that we were like, uh, we attracted the younger.

471
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 4: Colors and colorstri and Muzzy you know, LJ and the ground. Yeah,

472
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 4: somebody go to the Yeah. Yeah.

473
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: That was when that was when Baggy Short started becoming

474
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: like every kid won them Charlotte Horney. But talk about

475
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: that because that was that was kind of a trendy team.

476
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: You know what.

477
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

478
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: I wish we could have kept the band together, man, Unfortunately,

479
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: no business got in a way.

480
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: It did.

481
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: Business got in the way. And uh and you know,

482
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this, you know publicly. You know,

483
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that we had the proper management to

484
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: keep it together because I was willing to stay there,

485
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, but God had another plan. Look, coming to Miami.

486
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: The best thing ever happened to me. Bro It's truly

487
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: for me and my family, you know, for my life

488
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: in general, the best thing ever happened to me, Mickey Irrison,

489
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: all of them, you know, they have been a blessing

490
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: to my life, you know, to this day. You know,

491
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: but I knew that I knew at that time. I

492
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: knew Charlotte and I loved Charlotte. That had just come

493
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: from Virginia, that was my hometown, and Charlotte has had

494
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to be Virginia. And we were

495
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: the hottest things in town. And we couldn't go nowhere,

496
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: didn't pay for no meals nowhere. You know, we had

497
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: the largest attendance and in basketball, you know, we had

498
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: the largest attendance, the largest crowd, man, and they were

499
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: electric every night.

500
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: And I loved playing there in the high It.

501
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: Is like when that broke up and broke up with

502
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: that team and he started going there his friends and family, E. B. D.

503
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: And those guys came back. But I'm telling you that

504
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: team was dope, man. What what's split it up?

505
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: What was it? Well? Uh, I want to listen.

506
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: The owner of the owner of the team, George you know,

507
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: he paid l J and I was next up, you know,

508
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and my agent said, hey, you know I can get

509
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: you this with five different teams. You just got to

510
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: choose what team you want to play for. I said, no,

511
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I want to stay and I want to stay in Charlotte.

512
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: And David Falk said, he said, I don't think Charlotte's

513
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna pay you this number, and uh, I said, well,

514
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: you know I want I'll take less money to stay.

515
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: So we started having conversations with George Shen and he said,

516
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: uh and these were his exact words, You're not worth that.

517
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that right there, I mean how fast you

518
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 4: packed your Oh I packed it?

519
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he when he told me

520
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: that I had to get out of there. Man, I

521
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, George, she yeah. So that was the

522
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: basis of the conversation and what for Miami and then

523
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: and then doing that process, I shout to Patrick and

524
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: I asked him about, you know, playing under Pat Riley,

525
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: and I said, I heard his practices are hard.

526
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: Man, you know.

527
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: And Pat was like, boy, he went to Georgetown. Yea,

528
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: as hard as our practices was. You ain't gonna be

529
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: intimidated by the practice. Go to He said, go to Miami.

530
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: Go.

531
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: And I said, Patrick, I had a chance to come

532
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: to New York and play with you. He was like, nah,

533
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't want you here. Go to Miami. So that

534
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: put me on the top right there. That was the

535
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: deciding factor right there.

536
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: It really was.

537
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Because I had a conversation with Big John and Patrick

538
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: and they both told me to come to Miami.

539
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was wondering how that end up. Well

540
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: that's how it all. That's how it happened, man, you know.

541
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you. And the casy thing is

542
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: Patrick knew that you would be competing against him. Yeah,

543
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: he knew that. He knew, he knew by sending you

544
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: to Miami because I would have played the four in

545
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: New York and he would have played center. Man, I mean,

546
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: that would have been an incredible front. That's what the

547
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: American big man. Because I want to talk to you

548
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: about this because I feel like the American Center is

549
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: somewhat diminishing. The American Center. We'll get into today. Yeah,

550
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: well right now. It's prehistoric, is you know, guys don't

551
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: value the post up and taking advantage of mismatches. And

552
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: it's so funny, man. When I first came to the league,

553
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: will talk.

554
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: I played with Patrick.

555
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: Orlando.

556
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that's but he was still the same

557
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: old g though he was the grinder work, oh for sure.

558
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: But what I was telling you come in, it's you

559
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: always have two seven footers and you run, you run

560
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: floppies and.

561
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: You play they come off the screen, big stepping seal

562
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 4: all that. You know, it was unbelievable.

563
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: I talked about it, man, like those guys are so

564
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: valuable because there was the defense of the legal defense

565
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: was so different. Oh you're on the island, big dude.

566
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm telling you the game is completely.

567
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: Dump in no more. Man. They popping, they pigging and

568
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: popping out man for the jumping. Yeah, listening the drill

569
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: the other day and we were coming off. We were

570
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: coming off of a screen where they set a screen

571
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: at the elbow and the big just dive down to

572
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: the blocking ball in the paint. As we're doing the drill.

573
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: Everybody coming off the screen at the elbow, but they

574
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: diving out to fifteen fifteen feet. It was like, just

575
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: cut off the screen shot and right away, and mind

576
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: you the defenders going under the screen. So all you

577
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: got to do is beat him and seeing him and

578
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: seal them. Everybody running the fifteen feet unbelievable, Like, y'all

579
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 4: don't see the defender going under the screen. He hit

580
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: his ass, steal his ass, and just take a leer.

581
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: But but analytics say, but if you shoot this many shots,

582
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: this many times, but it doesn't emphasize the fact that

583
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, you shoot a higher percentage in this particular area.

584
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: So if I shoot these shots, yeah they're too's. But

585
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: if you shoot more threes then like no, yeah. But

586
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: the crazy thing about the crazy thing, The crazy thing

587
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: about analytics is that it's contradicting because down the stretch

588
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: you take whatever shots you can get. So now you're, you're, you're, you're, you're.

589
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 4: I want to get up thirty, I want to get

590
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: up forty threes. But down the stretch you're getting you're

591
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 4: taking what you can get. Yeah, yeah, you're taking what

592
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: you can get. Yeah. I'm always looking for a higher

593
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: percentage shot.

594
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. What's going to give me a higher percentage

595
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: of a chance to make the shot? Yes, you know,

596
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: so give me a steady volume of that.

597
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie.

598
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: I love that era.

599
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: I like the whether shoot threes right now for me,

600
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure I would imagine.

601
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: Understand when you have the skill set and you have

602
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: everybody doesn't have the roster and the skill set for

603
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: what you like. The ship Boston did the other night

604
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: was ridiculous when guys like when you're guys like Peyton

605
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: Pritchard who are not even your main guys and Derek

606
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: White can going ten threes and forty that's the type

607
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: of team should be doing that. Shit. That ain't for everybody.

608
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: Here's here's the problem.

609
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: Everybody ain't period. Yeah, that ain't.

610
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: Everybody is like to me, where coaches and organizations have

611
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: got to start reelling the back end a little bit.

612
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: Is they play a certain style games one through eighty two,

613
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: they're not doing nothing the playoffs. That that that equal opportunity,

614
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: one pass shot. Okay, you do that game too in

615
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: the in in the Western Conference finals finals, know our

616
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: best player high pick and roll, fine paint, you know

617
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: what I mean.

618
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Like and as you know, in the playoffs, especially in

619
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the game slows down.

620
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: Its cann be a four minute game. At the end

621
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: of every playoff game is I tell you all the time,

622
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: you're turning into four minute games. The last four minutes.

623
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: You're not going to be just okay, can I get

624
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: him with three? That's what I'm saying.

625
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: It's cute.

626
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: And the one through eighty two because it's.

627
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: Like, okay, we lost that.

628
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: My two best players picking roll, yeah, yeah, out, yeah, yeah,

629
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: no doubt.

630
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: Ain't doing all that ship. I'm getting to the spots

631
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: and were taking what we could get inside of it.

632
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: Now what I talk about it like you't frustrated and

633
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: to watch it and I'm like, yo, but that's not

634
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: how you're going to do in the playoffs. I promise you,

635
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: if you do, it's gonna be one It's gonna be

636
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: a one round accent. It's not going to be like

637
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: because hey, we know, let's play basketball is different now.

638
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: Everyone's that's I was. I was able to watch and

639
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: pay attention. You know what I'm saying. I got a

640
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: chance to see guys like yourself. Kurt Thomas, Uh, you

641
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: know Keith asking This goes on and on. Just talk about,

642
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: you know, the beginning in the building of the culture.

643
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that I carried with so

644
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: much pride. You know what I'm saying.

645
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: But you're talking to Miami Heat culture out the Miami Heat.

646
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: We just talk about the beginning. When you first talking

647
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 4: about establishing that ship. We started with conditioning. You had

648
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: to be in the best shape. You thought you were

649
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: in shape, you still had shape. You had to be

650
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: in the best shape of your life. Because Pat's approach

651
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: was we're gonna outlasted our opponents in the fourth quarter.

652
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna be in better shape than them. We're gonna

653
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: run them into the ground. Defensively, we're gonna be up

654
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: and into them. A health defense is gonna be impeccable.

655
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: You know, somebody get beat A body's there. You got

656
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: to run through me, you know, to get the where

657
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: you're going. You know, and I loved it because the

658
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: help guy's accountable.

659
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: It really did. It helped guys accountable, you know, so

660
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: you got in the game, you knew what the hell

661
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 4: your job was. And we were all.

662
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: Connected to a string. So if I went this way,

663
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: I was pulling Mike with me, like okay, come on

664
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: over here, you know what I'm saying. And we never

665
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: left anybody on the island by themselves. Even on the posts.

666
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: We butt front, butt front, you know, made it hard

667
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: for the offensive man to catch the ball, and then

668
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: when he caught it, it was a guy down there digging.

669
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: He was he was. Were gonna make it very hard

670
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: for you.

671
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: To score, you know, which is why, you know, the

672
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: scoring totals were much more, you know, because we were

673
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: defending our asses off. You know, we took pride in

674
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: holding teams to shooting thirty nine percent, thirty eight, thirty

675
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: nine percent. We took pride in that. You know, that's

676
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do tonight. We're gonna hold you to

677
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: thirty nine thirty eight percent because we contesting every shot,

678
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: were blocking out, closing out, getting every rebound.

679
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: All of that stuff. Yeah, we were trapping the box.

680
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: You go, baseline as a man that standing on the baseline,

681
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: you gotta run me over to get where you gotta go.

682
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: You know, So those principles started heat culture are three

683
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: and a half hour practices. You know, we we you know,

684
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 4: we knew. And let me tell you what I hated

685
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: our price.

686
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: We're actually three and a half our drills t you

687
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: can smell the shoes burn, the shoes burning.

688
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: We closed out drilling. How about how about the big

689
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: twos closing closing out? How about the loose ball drills?

690
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: How about the charge drill? You had to take charges

691
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: from everybody. Boom boom, boom, you're taking charges you know

692
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: on thee oh yeah, loose ball. He would put two

693
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 4: guys on the inline and we go to have he'd

694
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: roll the ball out, he'll blow the whistle and we

695
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: all had to go. We too had to run to

696
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: get the ball and we played one on one from there.

697
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: Oh it was no joke. I mean it was Alcatra.

698
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 4: It was no It was the petition and high shopping.

699
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: It.

700
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I love it, and I don't like to sound like

701
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: but the beauty of it is is that we developed

702
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: so many winning habits that when we got in the game,

703
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: the game was so easy.

704
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: It was so easy. We were like, we don't want

705
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 4: to practice, we want to play.

706
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's funny you said that because you know

707
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: you don't want to big the guy. We walk up

708
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: a hill both ways school, you know what I mean.

709
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: But to these young kids now, like three and a

710
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: half hour training camp press were three and a half

711
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: hour practicing. Yeah, Like I was my rookie year. I

712
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: get there's Doc Rivers, Doc comes Coach Riley's pedigree. And

713
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: the first training camp Price, you're doing their seventeens. You

714
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: don't past seventeens. You're doing seventeen. The next one you're

715
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: do a seventeens test and then you practiced three and

716
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: a half hours. I ain't gonna lie the last hour

717
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 3: and a half my first training camp, I don't remember.

718
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: I don't remember because you do that seventeens and you

719
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: got to pass that seventeen and.

720
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 4: Then you away. Seventeens was the width of the court

721
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 4: seventeen times seventeen? Yeah, yeah, you had to do it

722
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: under time, another time under time. It had to be

723
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: under time. And if you ain't making it.

724
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: My first training camp Price and you asked me to

725
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: recall I couldn't recall it.

726
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: I was like, it was just blur. But I tell

727
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: you what, you rather you rather be in practice than

728
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: in the play pan. You rather be practice, play practice.

729
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: You'll get your ass out there. So he was heard,

730
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: So you was heard or couldn't practice that day you

731
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: had to go into play pan. So Bill Farran, I

732
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 4: strength coach, and why he had you over there doing

733
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: exercises and you ain't all this non stop different exercises

734
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 4: and you would rather practice. I had.

735
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: I had my sports ring your surgery when I was

736
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: here playing for Miami, and I'll never forget. As I

737
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: was getting back, they put me on that bike.

738
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: I walked over.

739
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: I walked over. I said, man, I'm practicing. I remember

740
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: that at doing that ship.

741
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: I was on that when you could be on that

742
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: bike if you didn't have you had lower extremity issues

743
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: and you can pedo bike.

744
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 4: Bro. You were like Lance Armstrong and and Bill.

745
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: Okay, they're running.

746
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: That's not how it plays out. Let me tell you something, man,

747
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: And this is what I learned. Like that that mindset,

748
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: that that that will to do whatever it takes to

749
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: succeed and to put yourself in a winning situation, even

750
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 4: if people think you're sucking us. It's lost. That ship

751
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: helps me outside of basketball, outside of heat coaching. You

752
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 4: can take the things that we learned in that mindset

753
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: and you can apply that ship in anything. But you know,

754
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of guys because they don't know

755
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: about that. They they wouldn't value something like that. They

756
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 4: look at it as discipline, like the disciplined to me,

757
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: were practicing this loan or and no, no, we are

758
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: developing some armor to help you deal with adversity come

759
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: game time. You know, they help you deal with challenges,

760
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: you know, when the game starts. You know, So I

761
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: was ready for anything, you.

762
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: Said it, and here you're right, Like one thing about

763
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: it being here is games were easy.

764
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: For sure, that's all very much.

765
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, so hard working, most professional, hardest working, most professional, toughest, meanest, nastiest,

766
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: best condition.

767
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: Uh, all these you know adjectives you know.

768
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Put together to create our culture, you know, and we

769
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: hold people to a high standard, especially being in the

770
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: best shape of your life. That's where it starts, you know,

771
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: because you in order for you to perform at your

772
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: your optimal, optimal condition, then you you got to really

773
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: take pride into being in the best shape of your life.

774
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of guys that don't. They don't

775
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: value that, they really don't. They don't make that investment.

776
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: You know it. And you use that now we can

777
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: use the analogy. It is whose same boat, whose same boat?

778
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 4: Would train for four years? There is one race?

779
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, seconds, you know, so why can't we

780
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: train and get ourselves in excellent condition to go out

781
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: there and play eighty together?

782
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: It's what we're I mean, what you're saying there you

783
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: can talk about was in Lebron James, what he's doing

784
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: right now.

785
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: Jesus, Let me tell you what. Let me I am.

786
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: I am, first of all, you know, I am at

787
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: first of all. It was an honor to have been

788
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: in the front office and witness part of his legacy. Okay,

789
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: now I got new found respect.

790
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: I agree man totally because he's an MVP. Yeah yeah, man.

791
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 4: To be forty years old and to do what he's

792
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: doing right.

793
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: Now is unheard obviously, you know my relationships. Yeah, I

794
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: love this dude, right yeah. And people ask me what

795
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: I've left Cleveland the last time, how many years you

796
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: think you can do this? At that time? Yeah, yeah,

797
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: I said maybe a couple two three more years this

798
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: well he's right now for the numbers, his numbers twenty

799
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: five points. Yeah, his numbers now are better than when

800
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: he did here that one of the m VP.

801
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: Incredible. It's and by the way, his team number two anyway.

802
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, make sure people understand like the riggers and

803
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 5: like the jumping, the penalty, just constantly jumping and one

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 5: season the banging and all of that, just the rigors

805
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 5: of the sport.

806
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: I mean, how is he able to do this and

807
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 4: to go that deep all the time like he's been

808
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: doing it Like I think he's an alien here. No,

809
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 4: he's from another planet from here.

810
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: He gets mad at every time. I say, he's a

811
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: test tube bay.

812
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: They went in there and.

813
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: I'll look at this guy.

814
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: I see that the scale and it said two sixty five.

815
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: I say, this mother fucker different. Yeah. I was a

816
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: powerful and I was only too forty. I weigh man,

817
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: I weighed, I weighed to sixty five. Now, I was

818
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 4: a powerful and the motherfucker I weighed me about twenty

819
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 4: five pounds. I was looking at myself like I gotta

820
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 4: get my shit.

821
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: I told this so I told the story. Before you know,

822
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: I was weigh body fat every whatever day was.

823
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

824
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're playing and I've told the story on here before.

825
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: This is why I know he's a test tube. We

826
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: play Indiana, he has like forty six, sixteen and nine

827
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: whatever it goes goes over time. He plays fifty two minutes,

828
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, basically all the minutes. He weighed to sixty

829
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: five before, he weighed to seventy one afterwards or something

830
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 3: like that, gain like seven pounds.

831
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: Well, what was it? Because you drink a lot of fluid.

832
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying he's not real.

833
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

834
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: And the fact that he's doing this.

835
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 4: He scored.

836
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: He just scored his fifty thousandth points.

837
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: That's another thing.

838
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: He just sc his fifty thousandth points.

839
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody ever gonna break that, never, not in my lifetime.

840
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: Y'all won't see that.

841
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: The fact.

842
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah he's forty yeah, yes, forty yeah yeah, brod run right.

843
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: Now, talk about guys. We play with this guy. We

844
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: talk about a guy who actually prefers the past. Yes,

845
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: he's a past guys. Guy is a hint. Fifty's gonna

846
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: be a ball hog, yeah, one hundred thousand, Yeah, the.

847
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: Ball I'm telling you, right, now, man, I hope you

848
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: all enjoy it.

849
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: Not Yeah, enjoy every minute of it. Yeah, man's a

850
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: treat to watch it. Really is? It really is getting

851
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: scary because we're talking about Broun, were talking about Steph,

852
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: We're talking about KD. Yeah, it's gonna be the end

853
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: of an era. Well, I might be searching for like God, damn,

854
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's gonna be the end

855
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: of an arason. Yeah what I mean. But these young

856
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: boys they doing their thing, but it's gonna be the

857
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: end of an era soon.

858
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: Let's talk about this era.

859
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: Nineties Miami in the nineties. Oh, I can't wait. I

860
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: would wait and ask this question because I ain't had

861
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: no paper them cocaine nineties ship. Let me know how

862
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 4: it was in the nineties when I was broke, sitting

863
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: over there, first.

864
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: Paint the picture because what other people like, even for

865
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: guys like me, came around in two thousand and whatever.

866
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: Where did you guys practice and play here?

867
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: Because we had, you know, not just practice a player.

868
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: I want to hear the other ship too. You want

869
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: to talk about that. I want to hear about the

870
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: other ship too.

871
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Practice we practiced at uh part metto rec center.

872
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: We didn't have it. It's a it's thirty six like

873
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: we practiced that.

874
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm happy I came. Yeah, parto wrecks. Oh no, we

875
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: paid the way because they don't have a they don't

876
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: have a clue. They don't have a young kids. What

877
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: the what y'all are benefiting from? These young kids are

878
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: benefiting from? Right, y'all don't have a clue. Uh, the

879
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: pioneers of this game, you don't have a clue what

880
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: they did to make the game what it is today.

881
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: You know what they had to go flying commercial Okay,

882
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: they had their own plan commercial game Yeah yeah, after

883
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: the game stayed over all of that stuff. You know,

884
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: it's just hyeah yeah yeah. Or or if if it's Philly,

885
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: New York, they took the bus, they didn't fly.

886
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they were. They were busting it. Man.

887
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, they will find a way to save money,

888
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, because the salary, no doubt, you know. And

889
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: then our practice facility, like I said, it was a

890
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: recreational center. And I remember our first practice room. We

891
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: our locker room with it was some old people that

892
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: just worked out in the rec center.

893
00:45:50,440 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 4: They were in their practice stomach hurt First of all,

894
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: the outer bounds was the wall, so you had the

895
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: out of bounds line right here and you had to

896
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: walk right there. See. So the whole gym when we practiced,

897
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: all the out of bounds, so we were running with

898
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 4: no paths on the wall or none of that, you know.

899
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: So that's how it.

900
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Started here in Miami in nineteen ninety five games, we

901
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: played our games in the old Arena. Yeah, I was

902
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: right here and over town, which literally is maybe half

903
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: a mile away from the new arena.

904
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and you know, being in that old arena

905
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 4: and I kind of miss uh the atmosphere in there

906
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: because uh, we were closer to the fans, you know,

907
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: so there was more of a you know, homely homelysphere connections.

908
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, most definitely. You know. So now you

909
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: can ask your question off that outside outside Miami in

910
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 4: the nineties, outside where you got some paper, I feel

911
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 4: like video. I tell people this all the time. I've

912
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: never been to South Beach till I got NBA. So yeah,

913
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 4: so you just tell me, you know what, you know

914
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: what you want to tell, but don't tell me everything.

915
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: You know what you want to tell. You know what

916
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: sad me about that though you hadn't been to South Beach.

917
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Because there's kids in in Miami right now that live

918
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from the beach and they've never been. And

919
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: we got millions of people from all over the world

920
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: that come in here to visit our beaches, you know,

921
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate. It's like this, this invisible wall up.

922
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Even even adults. You got adults there's never been to

923
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: the beach because they don't.

924
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 4: Feel like it's for them. They feel like you don't

925
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 4: alone to them. Yeah, they didn't think it's for them.

926
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's a public damn beach, you know. You know.

927
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that we do in

928
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: our foundation. You know, we try to part of their development.

929
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: We try to exposed them to parts of Miami that

930
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: they haven't seen. And part of that is just taking

931
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: them to the beach, put their foot in the sand

932
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: and put their feet in the water and what have you.

933
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 4: You know. So, but Miami back then was on and popping.

934
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 5: Man.

935
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 4: I had a club.

936
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I had a club on South Beach. What club it

937
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: was called Onyx. I ain't been Pat Mickey, all of them,

938
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: they and and and and everybody used to come in

939
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: and you got Pa to come to the club.

940
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: He came to the club one night. Man, he came

941
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: to the club and he was up there, had him

942
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: in the VIP second holding out on us, been holding

943
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: out on us. It's called Onyx and it was opened

944
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 4: a couple of years. Man, I had a great time,

945
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: you know. So I'm not going to tell you some

946
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: of the stories that.

947
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: Good time about Miami the nineties or something.

948
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do, you definitely, you know. But the beach

949
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: was only had Rolex. We had the cocoas we had,

950
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 4: we had cocos, and we had all that. So that's so,

951
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: you know, so I just used to hear about y'all.

952
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: Y'all was legends in the hood. Them boyses and cocos.

953
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: Last night. I can't wait not get me some money.

954
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you know, Miami has changed tremendously. You know,

955
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: it's becoming the growth of its kind of incredible.

956
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: Amazing, It's amazing. It's anible over here. You know, it's

957
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: coming used to be. It's becoming a little it's becoming.

958
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: A little metropolis, right it really, you know, And I

959
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: mean I'm excited about the growth, you know. And the

960
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: skyline has grown tremendously since nineteen ninety five, you know,

961
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: and grown and County, you know. Uh, and when you

962
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: when you think about it, it's the gateway to South America,

963
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: you know. But since COVID, more and more people from

964
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: the northeast, from from the West coast are gravitating here,

965
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: you know. And they feel like that because they pay

966
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: no state tax, because the weather is impeccable, and because

967
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a multicultural atmosphere. You know, it's

968
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: becoming extremely attractive to a lot of billionaires, you know.

969
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about the growth. The only thing I'm

970
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: a little that's a little unfortunate is the natives here.

971
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: It's it's making it very difficult for them to survive. Yes,

972
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: it's because they can't afford to living here, exactly. Yeah,

973
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: the natives can't afford because you literally now have to

974
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: spend over fifty percent of your income just don't living,

975
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: just don't rent living and what have you. You know,

976
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: And the property values of skyrockety because people here, people

977
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: are congregating here, and they're raising our property values, you know.

978
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 4: So it's tough. So which is why, and.

979
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: I would love to transition into this, you know, how

980
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: we're really helping the enemy down here, and we're helping

981
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: the folks our workforce down here. U D and I

982
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: are developing affordable housing down here, you know, which is

983
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: much needed, you know. And there's a shortage of nineteen

984
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: thousand affordable houses just here in South Florida, you know.

985
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: And I'm actually working on phase two of affordable housing

986
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: project in over Town, one hundred and twenty units. And

987
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: I know you is about to do a ribbon cutting

988
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: of another affordable housing project, you know. So I'm excited

989
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: about that because we not only is it it's obviously business,

990
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: but also we're helping our community as well.

991
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 4: It's a tremendous need.

992
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: It's a shortage of seven millions affordable houses across the country,

993
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: and you cannot build them fast enough because these people

994
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: need our essential workers. They need a place to live,

995
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, and especially close to their job because right

996
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: now traffic is insane because people having to live with

997
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: out ridiculous.

998
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 4: They got to live way out and they have to drive,

999
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: you know, to their jobs. It's just crazy. People don't

1000
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: understand what wind Wood used to be, yeah, but what

1001
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 4: it is now.

1002
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we knew what we knew exactly

1003
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: and we had the liquidity, we would have bought bought

1004
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: up went Wood.

1005
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: It would have been would have been HASLM Wood. I

1006
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: take that back. I don't like has Wood. I don't

1007
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: like hasling Wood. We're gonna change that name, even with

1008
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 4: the design district. I got buddies that grew up in

1009
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 4: went Wood. They had to move. You have you have

1010
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: to move because of what's going on.

1011
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the property values just just skyrockets. They

1012
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to live there.

1013
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 4: No more.

1014
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: Before we talk about the Miami heat. Now, I do

1015
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: need to have a question, and Chris, can you pull

1016
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: up this this photo for me?

1017
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: Please?

1018
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: This iconic fun.

1019
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 4: What I remember this, I was trying to get past,

1020
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 4: was trying to hold me.

1021
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: You see, I was trying to get pas. I was

1022
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: trying to get that Ljay's ass. I was trying to

1023
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: get to him.

1024
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is first of all, watching this vividly, watching this.

1025
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: I do to talk to me about this.

1026
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 4: Look at, Jeff, look at I'm surprised that loyalty right now? Yeah,

1027
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: no doubt, listen, I ad mind, Jeff.

1028
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: It was that picture defines pretty much the intensity level

1029
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: of every last Nick heat games in the nineties, everyone,

1030
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: even the regular season games.

1031
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: And it was ironic how we met in the.

1032
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Playoffs for four straight years. It was so ironic, you know.

1033
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: And it was a classic hat feeling McCoy's type of.

1034
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: What that money We got tangled up and.

1035
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: It was some words exchange, you know, a couple of elbows,

1036
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: and we just went to scrapping, you know. And obviously,

1037
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, there was already a pent up rivalry, a

1038
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: built up rivalry, you know, and that just just led

1039
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: to something. But it was several This wasn't the only fight.

1040
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: Fight T J D D T Charlie Waters. You didn't

1041
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: need nothing, you didn't need nothing to start.

1042
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: You need.

1043
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: Flipping damn right. We had several fights, you know. But

1044
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: but you know what, all this was a derivative of

1045
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 4: pat Riley coaching in New York, next transition in Miami.

1046
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: So he planted the seed. He planted the seed that

1047
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: type of mentality in New York. Jeff Van Gundy was

1048
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: his disciple he planned to see in Miami as well.

1049
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: So you had two very similar teams playing in the

1050
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: same way. That's why the scores were so low. The

1051
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: scores were in the night that the games were in

1052
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: the ninth eighties and nineties. After you brought that up

1053
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: that he planted to see you, because damn right, so

1054
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: so pat is the culprit, because I'm so crazy now

1055
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: planning to see I can't I only think one way?

1056
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, one way, yeah is crazy.

1057
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is oh yeah, Oh they're showing all the highlights.

1058
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: Hold us. We didn't want to see all the highlights.

1059
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: You just want to see what. I don't mind. This

1060
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: man boat that's a tough b was tough bo was

1061
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 4: a sticker. Yeah, he's a good killer, like looks like

1062
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: it has a bottle of jack killer looking. Man. Listen,

1063
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: I ain't no way to credit for Jeff be ready.

1064
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 4: Oh man, they killer. You throw me like that every

1065
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 4: time I see you. You see how we all rushed

1066
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 4: though all of us was over there of us. Ain't

1067
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 4: nobody care about no money getting paid. He liked that ship.

1068
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: We would do it again and do it again. Look,

1069
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: I ain't get that fast enough, so smart to y'all

1070
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: was sick. So you got a little spook on your

1071
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 4: face too. Damn. Let's get it on, baby, Let's get

1072
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: it on and know no other way. Look at his feet,

1073
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 4: that is insane.

1074
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: Just picked his ass up and suspension. I didn't realize

1075
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: how strong PJ was pick a man up.

1076
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 4: Listen, and I'm not wishing no bad look, but please

1077
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 4: tell me he got suspended. He got suspended, God damn,

1078
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: no doubt. Yeah, yeah, that looks like that little ship

1079
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: that you blow, you know, the things you hold you

1080
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: blow it and spin around like that man that's crazed

1081
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: to do another grown man, like that trophy at class,

1082
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 4: the trophy fall out of the Trumple fall out.

1083
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna watch it. I can watch that ship

1084
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: over and over and over.

1085
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 4: Those nineties y'all were fucking nuts. But man, I wish

1086
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: I could have played in that era. I'm sure you

1087
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: would have fit well in there. You would have fit

1088
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: well in that Ara, my brother, no doubt. And you

1089
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 4: talk about Lebron, Lebron would have played well in the nineties,

1090
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: kidd me. Oh, we would have laid some wood on him. Yeah,

1091
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 4: we took him out of the air a couple of times,

1092
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 4: you know, but he would have bounced right back because

1093
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: the way he's playing now is just unreal.

1094
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: So talking about now, talk about Miami heat.

1095
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: Now, I know it's before we talk about the heat.

1096
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 4: Now I got I was because we work on our

1097
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: skill set. You work on your shots, you work on

1098
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: your handles, you work on your post movies, you work

1099
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: on this the elite shot blocking. What is that?

1100
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: Like?

1101
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: Is that just some ship that I think I do

1102
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 4: that my career. Yeah, I got a couple of block shots,

1103
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 4: but I got to you slipping. I gotta catch your

1104
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 4: slipper with the elite shot blocking.

1105
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: Bro?

1106
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: Is that like, is that's just God's give it? You know?

1107
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: It's just something watch film. It's just an actual, first

1108
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: of all, average, because what fuck are you? Six nine? Yeah?

1109
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 4: I'm six ten six nine, So I'm six seven six.

1110
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm six seven sixth I got like a seven six winks?

1111
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, true six that was fairly athletic. That was

1112
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: very athlete. But six nine, yeah, so it first of all,

1113
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: it's pursuit. I averaged a triple double in high school.

1114
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: Averaged almost eleven blocks a game in high school. Okay,

1115
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. I was like twenty seven points, fifteen rebounds,

1116
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: and like eleven blocks a game. So it started back then.

1117
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: It started back then because my high school coach was

1118
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: he would always tell me, I don't want them to

1119
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: score in the paint. I don't want them to score.

1120
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: So I developed the habit of going after shots. And

1121
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: then and then Big John would tell me Russell used

1122
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: to to keep the ball in bound. So then I

1123
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: started making short. I didn't throw the ball that I

1124
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: would just catch it at his peak, keep it in

1125
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: bound so we can start to break with it. So

1126
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: we keep the possession because otherwise you a lot of

1127
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: shot blockers. They block it out of bound, you know,

1128
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: a lot of oohs and odds out of the out

1129
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: of the fans. And I'm like, well, they just got

1130
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: the ball back and they're about to score, you know.

1131
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: So you know, and then you know, as my career development,

1132
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: I just say, you know what, there's gonna be nice

1133
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: where I struggle to score. You know, I'm not gonna

1134
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: have the ball in my hand, not bringing it up

1135
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: the court. But I still got to find other ways.

1136
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I got to find other ways to help my team win.

1137
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: So I had to defend, and I had to block shots,

1138
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's why Game six, you know,

1139
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: when Coach put me in the game, I say, you know,

1140
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in here. I'm gonna defend like a maniac.

1141
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 4: Because we're down, it's game six, you know, I want

1142
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: to try to get us back in the game. You know.

1143
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: So everything that wanted that basket I was going. I

1144
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: was blocking, I was trying to catch it. I was

1145
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: trying to go. Yeah, most definitely, you know. So that

1146
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: was my approach to every game.

1147
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 4: You know.

1148
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I felt like, first of all, I was given to

1149
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: God given physical abilities, you know, and I just wanted

1150
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: to use it to the best ability to help my teammates,

1151
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: you know. So that's why anytime I want defensive Player

1152
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: of the Year, I used to thank all my teammates

1153
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: for letting that man blow by. Yeah, but I would

1154
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: get in your ass if you didn't take my man

1155
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: out to play.

1156
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 4: Yes, because a lot of times you gotta just keep coming.

1157
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: You get blown by, just keep coming. Take my man.

1158
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: I would love to have that best of luck with

1159
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 3: no doubt because a lot of times they would try

1160
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 3: to loft it up.

1161
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: I would change the shot and then my man would

1162
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: get the tipping. All that pissed me off. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1163
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: So I used to curse my team teammates out.

1164
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: Of defense players year.

1165
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: Won two of them, correct, I.

1166
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 4: Won two of them. Should have won more, but you

1167
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 4: got to think during that era, you.

1168
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: Had Patrick, you had David Robinson, you had a king

1169
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: who has in the most blocks in the history of

1170
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: the league. You had to kN I mean, you had

1171
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: all these great shot blockings.

1172
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: So it was hard, man? What was what was hard?

1173
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 4: What would you say? But I held my own though.

1174
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: What would you say if I could tell you we

1175
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: could rewind back and if for every time you won

1176
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, to put you in a

1177
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: super Max category and make an extra ninety million years?

1178
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh would have been on. Oh for sure,

1179
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 4: that incented Oh no doubt. I would have won it

1180
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 4: every year. I would have won it every year. I

1181
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 4: want every year. Oh no doubt. Crazy.

1182
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: Which is crazy that these young players now have those

1183
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: incentives in the contract, first.

1184
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: Second, third, All League.

1185
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: You kidding me? Man, I'm happy you brought up Game

1186
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: six because I kind of wanted to touch on that.

1187
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Because you know, another part

1188
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 4: of Heat culture is just being a star on your

1189
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: role whatever is y and you having a Hall of

1190
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 4: Fame career with the accles that you had, you came

1191
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 4: off the bench and you did it willing. I was

1192
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 4: there to watch the whole season. You did it willingly

1193
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: because you knew it was the best thing to help

1194
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: our team win a championship. It was about winning, bro.

1195
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: But that ain't easy though. You say that now, But

1196
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: how many Hall of Famers, Olympians do what you did.

1197
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: Gonna call the bench for anybody?

1198
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: Well, Well, first of all, Rouse and I, I would

1199
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: like to think that we were kind of joined at

1200
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: the help. You know, so when I came here, he

1201
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: had a vision of bringing a championship to Miami, and

1202
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: he started the whole process with trading to bring me here. Yes,

1203
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: and so I felt an obligation there, you know, I

1204
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: really did so when I came back here in a

1205
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: scenario where while I said, wow, we got all the pieces,

1206
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: we could probably do something special here. Let me just

1207
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: sit back. I ain't complaining about playing time. Let me

1208
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: stay ready, Let me stay ready, and when my numbers called,

1209
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 1: I come in and help us win. It's as simple

1210
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: as that, because at that time, at that point in

1211
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: time in my career, it was really about experiencing the

1212
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: finals because I had come close so many times and

1213
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: got knocked down, and we thought that, oh, this is

1214
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna be the year, this is gonna be the year.

1215
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the year, and you know, and

1216
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: Robbers would always say, you never know you're gonna win

1217
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: a championship till you win one.

1218
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 4: You know.

1219
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything could look great on paper at the beginning

1220
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: of the season, but you never know you're gonna win

1221
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: it til you win it, you know. But when we

1222
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: got there, I was like, man, I might not never

1223
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: get back here again, so let's just leave it all

1224
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: out on the line, you know. And let me tell

1225
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: you that you mentioned this, You mentioned this, You mentioned

1226
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: me coming off the bench. There was a moment in

1227
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: that season where Shaq went down. Yes, yes, and I

1228
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: had to play about twenty something games in the start.

1229
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: If I was sunking and wasn't ready and complaining about

1230
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: playing time, I wouldn't have been able to help us

1231
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: doing that stretch. When Shaq went down, I think he

1232
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: had a thigh contusion or something like that exactly. But

1233
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: I was able to come in and hold the fort

1234
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: down at center because I knew what my capabilities were not.

1235
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 4: You know, I think I like to I like to

1236
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: think I got it done, you know. But you know,

1237
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 4: I brought that up because I had the same conversation

1238
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 4: with Pella the other day. Oh yeah, and he came

1239
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 4: in and played well so long. Yeah, and he was like, oh,

1240
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: I had a lot of energy inside. I was like,

1241
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: don't underestimate how hard it is to do what you did.

1242
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 4: It's not just about you having backed up energy for

1243
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: you to be out the rotation and to be able

1244
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 4: to stay locked in and then when coach call your number,

1245
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 4: to go out and perform and produce it not miss

1246
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 4: a beat. That's professional. That's why you can't take the

1247
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 4: preparation session. You can't take preparation for granted, because you

1248
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 4: know the old saying, go stay ready so you don't

1249
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 4: have to get rid. Yes, you know, stay ready, so

1250
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 4: you have to get ready, you know. So these young guys,

1251
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 4: which is what we preach, we have player development. We

1252
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: got guys getting shots up and in the in the

1253
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 4: weight room, getting getting their bodies ready and doing all

1254
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: the stuff they need to do. Because you might not

1255
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: play for five guests, but when you when he looked

1256
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: down the bench, you know, and put you in the game,

1257
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 4: and you don't answer the bell because you ain't ready.

1258
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: He might not look down there. No, you might not

1259
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 4: be ship.

1260
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1261
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: It was three months, the first six months exactly because

1262
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 4: we don't expect the miss a beat. We don't care

1263
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 4: who he is and who you are. Get in there,

1264
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: we don't expect the miss beat. Like a well machine,

1265
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 4: you might not.

1266
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Have played for five, six, seven games, you know, but

1267
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: when I look down that bench, I expect for you

1268
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: to come in and for us to continue to.

1269
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 4: And we're not down that, you know, it's all that's

1270
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 4: not you know what I'm saying. And another thing that

1271
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 4: people don't understand is even in that process of you

1272
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: agreeing to hey, come off the benches is best for

1273
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 4: the team, you didn't take a back seat. Every day

1274
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: I was in practice with you and Ship, I watched it.

1275
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: Every day they went at each It was almost like

1276
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 4: everybody ain't going down there. You gotta listen. It's like

1277
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 4: one of the motherfuckers Yellow take white chalk, going at

1278
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: your all risk, going at your risk, you know what.

1279
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 4: I like that. Every day it was the highest level

1280
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 4: of competition.

1281
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: Like the thing between me and the big fellow that

1282
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, we complimented each other because we pushed each other.

1283
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 4: Yes you did. Nobody couldn't push him like that and nobody.

1284
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: Couldn't push you like that. Yeah, yeah, because I got

1285
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: in his ass. And then one day we were in

1286
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: a drill and he tapped me on the shoulder. He's like, man,

1287
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: slow down, he said, because you go hard, I gotta

1288
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: go hard.

1289
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 4: I said. I said, motherfucker fuck you see on my head.

1290
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 4: I said that ship, I said.

1291
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: He making twenty dollars a year, you know, I'm making

1292
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Speaker 1: the minimum. I gotta be ready just in case your

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Speaker 1: big ass go down. I don't want to hear that ship.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, everybody couldn't. I couldn't said that. Yeah you

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Speaker 4: could have said that. Yeah, but every day I watched.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, through that, we developed a very

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Speaker 1: like really brotherly type of relationship, you know. And then

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Speaker 1: when he called me to bring him into the hall,

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Speaker 1: I was like, taking back. I wasn't expecting that call,

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Speaker 1: you know, And he was like, man, I want you

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Speaker 1: to be on stage, you know when I go in.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I, first of all, I looked

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Speaker 1: at that as a total respect and an honor to

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Speaker 1: do that, you know. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: that was because of the trust that we developed and

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Speaker 1: pushing each other and winning together and what have you,

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Speaker 1: and how I was candid with him, you know, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, who won the race? So I can't remember

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Speaker 4: I did. We were Indiana, I remember, I remember, I remember.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't remember who was so big Fella.

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Speaker 1: Me and big Fella right in practice. We had just

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Speaker 1: finished practice, so we just went over to lift weights

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Speaker 1: and everything. So he challenged me to a race. That's

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Speaker 1: a big fellaw this no way you're gonna beat me.

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Speaker 1: And then we mapped it off where we're gonna go down,

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Speaker 1: you know, And we had Bill Farran standing there. Man,

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Speaker 1: I dusted his ass, Are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: No? Let this He was in shape too. He was

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Speaker 4: in shape, Big Fellow trim and everything. Yeah, he had trim.

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Speaker 4: He kept up with me though. Yeah, that's why I

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Speaker 3: I wish people understood how good that man. Come on, man,

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Speaker 3: big Fellow was the real deal. He was a handful,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Man. He was one of the reasons why I stayed

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Speaker 4: Don't I like to hear Top five favorite teamates and

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Speaker 4: why they're your favorite? Okay, uh we got all day

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Speaker 4: you go, you got list to go. You got a

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Speaker 4: long listing? No, no you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you because I knew that in the trenches,

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Speaker 1: I could go to warrior and I knew I could

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Speaker 1: count you.

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Speaker 4: Another one would be PJ. Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I ain't never played with him. He was one of

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Speaker 4: my favorite. Yeah, Tim Hardaway, Tim still won't smoke chasing

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Speaker 4: Hallenberg right now, still won't uh d Wade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know a lot of people. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a little biased with this, you know, because I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a straight defensive guy, you know.

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Speaker 4: Uh. I think about Keith Askings and what he bought,

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Speaker 4: you know, toughness and body heat, coaching, about nasty dislike

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Speaker 4: who like him.

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Speaker 1: He was a nasty motherfucker on the court. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: really was, you know, and people hate it when he

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Speaker 1: was guarding them, So you know I would throw Keith

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Speaker 1: and that sure. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: appreciate you putting me in that top five because, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember this, this is one

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Speaker 4: of the moments that I always remember. It was one

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Speaker 4: of my saddest moments. But I was happy I was there.

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Speaker 4: I was able to be the one when you got

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Speaker 4: hurt in Atlanta. Oh man, it was one of my

1385
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Speaker 4: saddest moments because you you said that it's over. You

1386
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: remember saying that.

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Speaker 1: Man, I was hitting the floor. I was like, it's over, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's over. And I kept over and over there. I

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Speaker 1: looked down on my legs. My kneecap was down here. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what happened. Fucking d Wade turned the ball

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Speaker 1: over the top of the keys.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to set the let's take him off

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Speaker 3: your top five.

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Speaker 4: He won a championship for it. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: So I set the screen for him and he went

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Speaker 1: away from the screen and crossed over and lost the ball.

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Speaker 1: W in Atlanta Phillips Arena. The arena just open, just

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Speaker 1: one yeah, yeah, yeah. We had just wanted he was

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Speaker 1: gonna come back there. I was decided when too some

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Speaker 1: time to decide, and then he turned the ball over.

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Speaker 1: So I was hauling asked to chase the dude down.

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Speaker 1: I forgot what the dude's name was, point guard for Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and he went up. I was about to pending on

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Speaker 1: the lass. He went up, man and I blew my

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Speaker 1: tire brother yea, and I hit the floor and intense

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Speaker 1: pain and I'm banging on the floor. I look down

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Speaker 1: my leg. I was like, oh, it's over, It's over,

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Speaker 1: It's over. And then they bring out this damn gurney girl.

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Speaker 1: I said me, yeah, better get that girl gurney out of.

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Speaker 4: If this is gonna be the last time I'm leaving

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Speaker 4: the court walking out, I'm walking out. I grabbed my fellers,

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Speaker 4: you all of them helped me up, and I walked. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I walked off the court and one of the saturdest

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Speaker 4: moments of my career. But to be able to walk

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Speaker 4: with him off that I'll never forget that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: never forget that. And also, do you remember the night

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 4: before game six and me and the way was up

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 4: all night. You came out in the hallway and your

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Speaker 4: drawers and told us to go to bed. Remember that,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Listen, Me and the Way was couldn't sleep.

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 4: We just couldn't sleep. The night before game six, we

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Speaker 4: sitting down in the hallway talking. But we're just talking

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Speaker 4: and laughing, but we can't sleep. We're young. It's game

1424
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 4: six in the finals. So came out of his draws

1425
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 4: to say, may y'all take y'all ass to sleep. They

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Speaker 4: close the door. Remember that, like listen quick and to

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Speaker 4: the point, ain't it was no dialog. I ain't say

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Speaker 4: how you doing? Take y'all se right before.

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Speaker 3: We before we leave for the people, for the fans

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Speaker 3: on here, how's your health? How's everything there?

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Speaker 4: You know? Thank God, it's good. You know.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know about my cancer skilled last year, you know,

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Speaker 1: and by the grace of God, I'm an active participant

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Speaker 1: with going to the doctor.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was able to catch it early, you know, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the things I recommend to all men

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Speaker 1: out there.

1439
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Speaker 4: Be proactive with your health.

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Speaker 1: Don't wait to something to escalates into something serious, get

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Speaker 1: out in front of it and get a check up

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Speaker 1: at least once a year. I mean a full checkup,

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Speaker 1: you know, get your colon, get your p s A's done,

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: get all that stuff done, guys, you know, which is

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Speaker 1: why I do a men's health summit in conjunction with

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Speaker 1: Baptist Health. You know, I'm very grateful for that partnership

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Speaker 1: you did, and I had that partnership.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: And he's his life has been affected by cancer as well,

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Speaker 1: you know. So and then outside of that, Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: twenty one years post kidney transplants, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I'm still kicking strong man. I was just in

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Speaker 1: the gym getting them up, trying to keep my body strong. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting old as a bit, you know. But

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Speaker 1: I'm fifty five, man, and I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 4: Man. So, but I appreciate y'all. Appreciate y'all asking about

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Speaker 4: my health. And also, man, it's just the game, the

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Speaker 4: game plan of being a true leader and mentor. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, not only on the basketball court, but

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Speaker 4: off the basketball court. I'm sure it is. You know.

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Speaker 4: When I found out about your little health scill man, No,

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Speaker 4: not not only this, this organization in this city, but

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Speaker 4: we need you. We need you. I appreciate the generation

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Speaker 4: that's behind you because we're still figuring out. But anytime

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Speaker 4: we're trying to figure it out, we need to look

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Speaker 4: at you and the answers be right there. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, a lot of these things in the

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Speaker 4: city that I'm doing, I wouldn't be doing if I

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Speaker 4: wasn't sitting around just paying attention to you, just watching.

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Speaker 4: You know, got my pin in my path, and this

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Speaker 4: is what playing with.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you all this. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're all here because of relationships. We've gotten to the

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Speaker 1: point where we are in our lives because of our relationship,

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Speaker 1: because the contributions of the people, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: want to make my time here on this earth worthwhile

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Speaker 1: and try to make it a lot better for other

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Speaker 1: people when I leave it, you know, because I want

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Speaker 1: them to continue to carry on that legacy of giving

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Speaker 1: back and having an impact and making lives better for others.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm grateful for my health. You know,

1482
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Speaker 4: I don't take that for granted.

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01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for you guys, man, the relationship I have

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Speaker 1: with you all Man, it means a lot to me.

1485
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on the show. I appreciate you

1486
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 4: coming on, yeah with your ass, but not getting them

1487
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Speaker 4: on earlier. Yeah, so we appreciate you coming off for real. Man,

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Speaker 4: before we appreciate our young boys, our Tyler Hero and

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Speaker 4: I bam O the Bido Man. Let's just express how

1490
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 4: proud of we are for sure, the growth very much

1491
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Speaker 4: off the basketball court. Bus cut Hero is one of

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Speaker 4: my favorites now, you know, the Bam you know, stepping

1493
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Speaker 4: into his leadership role. People don't understand how hard it

1494
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Speaker 4: is to not only think about yourself but think about

1495
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Speaker 4: the other fifteen guys and make sure the other fifteen

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Speaker 4: guys prepared and ready to go. Man, Just talk about

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Speaker 4: the growth and the maturation of those guys. Man, even

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01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 4: through a difficult time, those guys have grown tremendously. Well,

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Speaker 4: let's just talk about it. Number one coaching the league first,

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Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so you know, not only has.

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: He you know, taken the baton from Roles, you know,

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: and he's revolutionized his way of coaching and developing these

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: guys you know, on he's uh and it's showing now,

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01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,759
Speaker 1: it really is. It is shown, especially with through Tyler

1505
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: and Bam, and they are embracing the opportunity of being leaders.

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01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: They really are, you know, because of your influence, you know.

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: And and yeah, you know, I'm trying to stay in

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: these guys, is you know. And I'm excited for Tyler,

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01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, because this is definitely his time and he's

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01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: showing it.

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01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 4: Uh. And he's he's.

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01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: Realizing what he's capable of doing. He right this year,

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: he's realizing.

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: Now, I told him, I said, you can't look back now,

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01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: we know what you can do. Yeah that is, we

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01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: know what you can do. You can't look back now.

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01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: You got to keep building on this. And now man

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: Bam is doing that. I mean, he's shout he's breaking

1520
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: our records, you know. And I remember when we drafted

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01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: him in twenty seventeen.

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,879
Speaker 4: Uh and it's Roles.

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01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: We were talking about I said, Riles. I said, one day,

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna be hanging his jersey in the rafters. And

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01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: Roles looked at me and I was like, watch what

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01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: I tell you. That's what I tell you because I

1528
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: think about humble beginnings with Bam. You know, he the

1529
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: man single mother, grew up in the trailer park he's hungry.

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01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: His story unbelievable. He's hungry, I said, when he gets here,

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01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: this is a perfect organization for him because he's going

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: to develop all the right work habits right off the bat,

1533
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: and eventually that's gonna blossom into the player. He's gonna

1534
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: blossom in the player is man.

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01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 4: He's handling the ball, his mid range game, his mid

1536
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 4: range game is impeccable now. And now he's rebounding all

1537
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 4: the ball. He's filling up the stat sheet. I mean,

1538
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 4: he's really blossomed into an incredible all around player, you know.

1539
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 4: And now you know with Khalil and Paler and the

1540
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 4: future is bright. It really is bright, and I'm I'm

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: happy to be a fitness to all of it.

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01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 3: Yam Bam. Stories unbelievable. Man, I'm almost embarrassing to say that.

1543
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 3: I didn't even know your story. Your story is unbelievable too.

1544
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Yeah, man, Well, you know, we

1545
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 4: all got a story, but all got a story. Yeah,

1546
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 4: we all doing as it. There's parts of everybody's story

1547
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 4: that we can kind of take a piece of it

1548
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 4: and relate to. You know what I'm saying, we can

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01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 4: all relate to you know, stories to us. Yeah, yeah,

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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 4: I like that about that. Were talking about you de

1551
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 4: fight all the odds. I'll tell you that's for sure.

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 4: We appreciate a great mentorship. I had great leadership, so

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01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Oh Gesu, thank you,

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01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 4: sir

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Speaker 2: My mamm