Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and he.
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Strong. A new week headed into Memorial Day.
Speaker 3: This could be a big week for your life today.
Speaker 3: Today you're under the tutelage of our general manager.
Speaker 4: The Republican Party, both Houses of Congress and the White House.
Speaker 4: And they're going to grow the DEAFA sets and leave
Speaker 4: bloated entitlements alone. What's the point anymore? Wow, I'm forming
Speaker 4: a new political party. I've given up. Wow, coming out
Speaker 4: of angry hot on a Monday exactly well offended, righteously angry.
Speaker 4: Not like I lost my temper because I'm drunk angry.
Speaker 4: No righteous indignation. It's a stupidity, that hypocrisy, the lack
Speaker 4: of principle. I got three names a new party, So
Speaker 4: not I lost my temper because I'm drunk angry, Like
Speaker 4: that's the only other golf shot. Now I'm helicoptering my
Speaker 4: club angry. No, this is righteous, biblical anger. How about
Speaker 4: how about the door dash was so slow? By the
Speaker 4: time the yogurt got to me, it was all melted
Speaker 4: angry which I had. Yet that's legit to me. I
Speaker 4: mean that pays for yogurt, you know, I expects it
Speaker 4: to be nice and chili. All right, So I got
Speaker 4: three possible names for a new political party.
Speaker 2: I assume you'll join me on this question.
Speaker 4: Angrytarians referencing my being pissed off enough is Enoughocrats?
Speaker 2: Or finally, f y'all, that's pretty good too.
Speaker 4: I'd wear that T shirt and whatever the flag looks like,
Speaker 4: I'm flying it in the back of my truck.
Speaker 2: F yolikins.
Speaker 4: I thought the general manager would be Joe Biden's prostate.
Speaker 2: No, no, an old man has cancer. It's no humor there.
Speaker 4: It's just terrible. Doesn't have to be humorous. It's just
Speaker 4: a big news story I adopted for Humer. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you something though, interesting wrinkle on this that just happened,
Speaker 4: and I want to get to it before you hear
Speaker 4: somewhere else. Do tell that came up on Morning Joe
Speaker 4: with Joe Scarborough and he didn't state it outright, but
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 2: Certainly hinting at it strongly.
Speaker 4: So it turns out according to the doctor they had, Well,
Speaker 4: there's a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: I can say about this as a guy who had cancer.
Speaker 4: The reporting on everything that happens in the mainstream news
Speaker 4: is so horrible, but as usual that there there are
Speaker 4: a number of things I keep hearing over and over again.
Speaker 4: They keep saying an aggressive cancer as if that absolutely
Speaker 4: means something, and it doesn't at all.
Speaker 2: Having had concert and talk to doctors before, uh, back
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 4: Day, many many many years ago, in general, aggressive was
Speaker 4: bad and not aggressive was good, but not anymore. My
Speaker 4: cancer was worse because it was not aggressive, because I
Speaker 4: found fascinating at the time. Yeah, because it wouldn't take
Speaker 4: the bait, as my doctor said, you're trying to poison
Speaker 4: the cancer with the chemotherapy, and it wouldn't take the bait,
Speaker 4: like trying to catch a rat with you know, brat poison.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't take the bait because it was so slow
Speaker 4: moving and aggressive cancer. He told me, well, grasp on
Speaker 4: to the we're gonna get you, and grasp on to
Speaker 4: the poison and die faster. So often that is better,
Speaker 4: so that that using that word every single time in
Speaker 4: every story is meaningless.
Speaker 2: So there you go, let's start there. I'm exciting.
Speaker 4: But the interesting thing is that I learned from from
Speaker 4: Scarborough's show today, and again this is what they kept
Speaker 4: hitting at.
Speaker 2: He's had it for probably.
Speaker 4: A decade at least through his presidency, absolutely minimum several years,
Speaker 4: but probably a decade.
Speaker 2: And it's impossible they either.
Speaker 4: Well almost certainly, they just didn't test for it, or
Speaker 4: or or just didn't do anything and or just kept
Speaker 4: it quiet, because, as we've said many times, the president
Speaker 4: decides what to reveal from that presidential exam, what not
Speaker 4: to reveal it.
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate.
Speaker 4: This tells us nothing possible that they did that, although
Speaker 4: you had had to kept it, keep it quiet.
Speaker 2: Every year for many, many, many years.
Speaker 4: I mean, because the president, you know, gets a yearly
Speaker 4: physical and everything like that, And did he get tested
Speaker 4: for it every year and keep it quiet throughout his
Speaker 4: entire presidency, probably years before his presidency so that he
Speaker 4: could maybe run again or whatever, or or this is
Speaker 4: what I think Scarborough was him. It's just his overall
Speaker 4: medical health, including his brain.
Speaker 2: They just didn't test for things.
Speaker 4: They just didn't ask any questions about anything because it
Speaker 4: was all gonna be bad news and they didn't want
Speaker 4: to have to discuss anything, so better just to not know.
Speaker 4: I think that is by far the most likely theory,
Speaker 4: and I hate to steal the thunder of our own featurette,
Speaker 4: but we got this note from Jacob that I was
Speaker 4: going to include in mailbag. Later on in the hour,
Speaker 4: he says, Hey, guys, do you remember that speech where
Speaker 4: President Biden randomly said I just found I have out
Speaker 4: I have cancer or something like that. Then he moved
Speaker 4: on and nobody commented on it in the White House
Speaker 4: right town?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, although he accidentally let it slip. Although
Speaker 4: there's no way he just found out he had cancer
Speaker 4: because he's had it for a very very long time.
Speaker 4: But Christmas they just gave him a PSA test for
Speaker 4: the first time ever. Possibly although we're going to play
Speaker 4: some of the her tapes later. He didn't know when
Speaker 4: he was president or vice president or when his sun
Speaker 4: died by years, So him saying I just found out
Speaker 4: I got cancer, Who knows what that means. That could
Speaker 4: have been him remembering from ten years ago. But I'm
Speaker 4: talking about his brain. The fact that you know him
Speaker 4: having prostate cancer and hiding it or whatever. I find
Speaker 4: that kind of a non.
Speaker 2: Story actually, But the fact that it fits in with.
Speaker 4: Just the overall ignoring everything about his body and brain.
Speaker 4: I think got pretty interesting, oh on how widespread the
Speaker 4: knowledge was. And I've read a great piece we'll share
Speaker 4: it with you later about why this all matters.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: This is not just looking in the rear view mirror
Speaker 4: and kicking Democrats for the fun of it. This is
Speaker 4: one of the great cover ups in American history.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 4: Mark Alper keeps making it about the media, which I
Speaker 4: think is a good thing. It's the biggest failure of
Speaker 4: the media ever. Period. I don't know what second place
Speaker 4: would be biggest failure of the media period. And again,
Speaker 4: I just think it's mostly interesting from me hiding his
Speaker 4: brain thing.
Speaker 2: And over the weekend, Maureen Dowd in the New York Times, who's.
Speaker 4: The guy they always quoted in the Washington Post, senior man,
Speaker 4: We had him on the show when we were out
Speaker 4: there in U Chicago. Dad Balls, like some of the
Speaker 4: biggest heavyweight hitters wrote some major pieces over this weekend
Speaker 4: about how awful it is that this was hidden for
Speaker 4: all this time, kind of like they're discovering it, which
Speaker 4: is weird but shocking. I mean, it really comes to
Speaker 4: the top of everybody's consciousness as a what the hell
Speaker 4: sort of story right, Well, more on that later. It's
Speaker 4: just it's absolutely amazing. But wow, so I wonder, see
Speaker 4: he got crazy Jill involved. You got to go to
Speaker 4: crazy Jill and the artist Hunter who's also crazy.
Speaker 2: They might have just been saying, no, Dad, honey, no tests.
Speaker 4: Let's just do no tests, no tests about anything, and
Speaker 4: then then we don't have to lie, and then we
Speaker 4: can just go out there and say everything fine. It
Speaker 4: is gratifying and somewhat shocking to look back and see
Speaker 4: how right we were about all of this, not that
Speaker 4: we had any unique knowledge. Look at the polls at
Speaker 4: the time. And I say this not to pat ourselves
Speaker 4: on the back, but virtually everything we said about Jill
Speaker 4: is the.
Speaker 2: Evil doer in this. You can tell doctor Jill not
Speaker 2: a real doctor.
Speaker 4: Oh she's a crazy person.
Speaker 2: She's say for real crazy person. Yes, she is absolutely unhinged.
Speaker 4: But everybody in the cabinet who knew and was silence
Speaker 4: or denied it vociferously. Chuck Schumer, who's a congenital liar.
Speaker 4: I don't know why anybody ever listens to him on
Speaker 4: any topic. He couldn't tell the truth unless he accidentally
Speaker 4: did it. You know, mayor Pete. You know, all of
Speaker 4: these people who continue to be significant to you know,
Speaker 4: persons in American politics.
Speaker 2: We cannot just let them get away with it. They
Speaker 2: should never be in office again. They should never be
Speaker 2: entrusted with power again. God, who's the guy I don't
Speaker 2: remember his name, Democrat.
Speaker 4: He's the chair of the Armed Services Committee, like you know,
Speaker 4: a big committee. Never talked to Joe Biden once, right,
Speaker 4: which is just incredible. Well because he in previous administrations
Speaker 4: that regularly talked to the president as the head of
Speaker 4: the important Defense Committee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you would. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, there's a lot on that and Joe Biden's prostect.
Speaker 2: You know, I hope they get him a treatment and
Speaker 2: he's fine and all that.
Speaker 4: Oh he's come on, he's on D S D anyway,
Speaker 4: true that.
Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, more Jack Morgoe.
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Speaker 2: You say a lot that's in some of your song lyrics.
Speaker 2: You want to tell us what it.
Speaker 4: Is to.
Speaker 6: U Mia, it means either live your culture or you
Speaker 6: kill your culture.
Speaker 2: And there's no in between. So I'm going to get
Speaker 2: up every day and I'm going to live my culture today?
Speaker 4: What was that nonsense? He was muttering in the middle.
Speaker 4: That was French, Jack, it's a language. That was Jordan Thibodeau,
Speaker 4: who was featured on sixty Minutes as part of a
Speaker 4: really interesting segment about essentially Cajun and similar music in
Speaker 4: that culture. I thought that was a really interesting statement,
Speaker 4: you either live your culture or kill your culture, especially
Speaker 4: because I was corresponding with a friend of mine about
Speaker 4: my upcoming trip to London with my bride and he
Speaker 4: sent along some commentary about.
Speaker 2: Have you been brushing up in your English to get
Speaker 2: ready for it?
Speaker 4: Hilarious, And it was a commentary on how Britain and Europe,
Speaker 4: having permitted rampant immigration that nobody voted for but the
Speaker 4: elite wanted, had caused enormous dislocating cultural problems. And it's
Speaker 4: something we've talked about several times. But and pointing out
Speaker 4: that like the mayors of most of the big cities
Speaker 4: in Britain are all Muslims, inexplicably because they're still a
Speaker 4: fairly small minority, but there are hundreds of Sharia councils,
Speaker 4: in Sharia courts and the rest of it in Britain.
Speaker 2: And I found that really intriguing.
Speaker 4: Which way to Buckingham Palace right over there?
Speaker 2: Which way over there? Over there? Why are you talking
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 4: So I was for whatever reason that came within twenty
Speaker 4: four hours of hearing mister Thibadeau talking about you live
Speaker 4: your culture or you kill your culture. I always remember
Speaker 4: when I read the giant biography of Pope John Paul
Speaker 4: the Second, he was constantly saying languages culture, talking about
Speaker 4: that it is they travel together, they just do.
Speaker 2: And if the language dies out, that culture has died out.
Speaker 2: And if you can and.
Speaker 4: That's why, that's why Russia goes in and forces people
Speaker 4: to speak Russian various languages in various areas because use China.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you dare speak one of your ethnic languages in China,
Speaker 4: you will be hauled into re education. That's why it's
Speaker 4: so hilarious that we're so willing in the United States
Speaker 4: to like turn over giant swaths of the country to
Speaker 4: another language. We just put up signs in that language,
Speaker 4: start putting things in that language and say that's fine,
Speaker 4: we don't care, we don't need to hang on to
Speaker 4: our language. Well exactly, you called it funny, and I
Speaker 4: get you're being kind of ironic, but I was just
Speaker 4: going to say it is one of the more horrifying
Speaker 4: and obscene things I've observed in my life that we
Speaker 4: of the West Europe, in the United States and Canada,
Speaker 4: primarily the English speaking world and Europe have been convinced
Speaker 4: that we have the one culture that not only is
Speaker 4: not beautiful and worth preserving or awesome or successful or whatever,
Speaker 4: but it's evil and we deserve to have it stamped out.
Speaker 4: And anybody who doesn't participate in that stamping out enthusiastically
Speaker 4: is an awful person and should be shamed or forced
Speaker 4: out of their job or what have you. And you know,
Speaker 4: if you just look at England, never mind the United States,
Speaker 4: look at England. They've practically brought us democracy. It's existed
Speaker 4: in different forms in different places, but my god, the
Speaker 4: Magna Carta and the emergence of the Parliament as a
Speaker 4: counter to the king and working with the monarch and
Speaker 4: just over hundreds of years hammering out the details of
Speaker 4: how does a people self govern hm and then that
Speaker 4: giving birth to the United States. I mean, you want
Speaker 4: to talk about a culture worth being proud of and preserving.
Speaker 2: About British culture, and it's off shoots.
Speaker 4: So you have more you want to say on that
Speaker 4: topic before I get to my next This all came
Speaker 4: together like in the last three minutes in my head.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So why would those who were browbeating us to flush
Speaker 4: our own culture down the toilet, hate our own history,
Speaker 4: hate our own people?
Speaker 2: Why would they do that?
Speaker 4: I think a lot of you are probably a little
Speaker 4: bit ahead of me at this point. But I came
Speaker 4: across this this morning. It's a piece in the National
Speaker 4: Review and let's see. Oh, it's by the notorious MBD
Speaker 4: Michael Brendan Doherty, who came across some audio of Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 4: of all people, doing an interview at one of those
Speaker 4: never ending Look how smart and cool and rich we
Speaker 4: are speech athons.
Speaker 2: God who goes to those things? Well, it's a certain
Speaker 2: class of people, but I've never heard of most of
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 4: This is the ninety two and Why, part of the
Speaker 4: Newmark Civic Life series. Oh yeah, the ninety two Street
Speaker 4: Why is a huge deal in New York. If you're important,
Speaker 4: they have those all the time with Yeah, I see
Speaker 4: those on YouTube videos regularly.
Speaker 2: I've never been so. Hillary was jabbering about.
Speaker 4: She launched into the screen and the audio, but it's
Speaker 4: better to shorten it because, you know, ramble a little bit.
Speaker 4: She launched into this mocking the idea of the Trump
Speaker 4: administration or anybody else trying to get Americans to have
Speaker 4: more babies, and she's right in that it's ultimately going
Speaker 4: to fail.
Speaker 2: But she launches into a screed in which she says.
Speaker 4: The quiet part out loud that the progressive, the affluent
Speaker 4: progressive lifestyle, however you want to describe it, lifestyle liberalism,
Speaker 4: certain forms of feminism. It's the privilege of affluent Americans
Speaker 4: and is supported by mass immigration, legal and illegal. Progressivism
Speaker 4: is not economically or socially sustainable, except if we import
Speaker 4: brown people and foreign people. She said, it's crazy trying
Speaker 4: to make America great again by returning to lifestyles and
Speaker 4: the economic arrangements of not just the fifth I mean,
Speaker 4: let's keep going back as far as we can. The
Speaker 4: nuclear family returned to being a Christian nation, a return
Speaker 4: to producing a lot of children.
Speaker 2: These are quotes, even though she says they alleged.
Speaker 4: Particularly offended her throwing out the nuclear family as something
Speaker 4: to give up on easily. Wow. Then she takes a
Speaker 4: shot of Republicans say that they have no interest in
Speaker 4: paid family leave or funding quality childcare, their cutting head start.
Speaker 4: But she said, it's sort of odd because the people
Speaker 4: who produce the most children in our country are immigrants,
Speaker 4: and they want to deport them.
Speaker 2: None of this adds up. This is all a quote.
Speaker 4: In fact, one of the reasons why our economy did
Speaker 4: so much better than comparable advanced economies across the world
Speaker 4: is because we had lots of immigrants, legally and undocumented,
Speaker 4: who had a larger than normal by American standards family. So,
Speaker 4: quoting Doherty, taken together, Clinton says that immigrants make the
Speaker 4: American lifestyle of today add up in part because of
Speaker 4: their higher birth rates. And she's right, although he later
Speaker 4: points out within two generations, certainly three, immigrant birth rates
Speaker 4: plunge down to Native American birth rate. Also to point
Speaker 4: out the reality, any neighborhood you ever lived in, Hillary
Speaker 4: become primarily a different language speaking in the restaurant you
Speaker 4: used to go to, become a food and language that
Speaker 4: you don't know in your school. The teachers she couldn't
Speaker 4: learn in schools because there are so many languages. When
Speaker 4: you go to the emergency room, a lot, a lot
Speaker 4: of Spanish speaking or whatever. That really slows things down
Speaker 4: that it doesn't happen to you. It's funny, it happens
Speaker 4: everybody else.
Speaker 1: See Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah or Jack your show
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Speaker 6: They literally are trying to take healthcare away from millions
Speaker 6: of Americans at this very moment in the dead of night.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god. It's a party of monsters.
Speaker 4: That's why they're having a republic wells, they're monsters. That's
Speaker 4: why they're having the one am vote tonight on the
Speaker 4: big beautiful bill to try to slide through in the
Speaker 4: darken night, the cutting back on Medicaid, and so the
Speaker 4: Republicans who are actual vampires can come out to vote too,
Speaker 4: because you know, the sun is down. So Craig Gottwalls
Speaker 4: originally Craig the Obamacare lawyer, because when Obamacare was in
Speaker 4: the works and passed, Craig would talk to us about it,
Speaker 4: longtime friend of the show, and everything he said was true,
Speaker 4: and virtually everything he predicted happened, in contrast to most
Speaker 4: of the coverage of it, which was garbage. Well, Craig
Speaker 4: is now Craig the healthcare guru, and we're going to
Speaker 4: talk a little bit about Medicaid, among other things. Craig Gottwals,
Speaker 4: how are you, Craig, I'm good.
Speaker 2: How are you, gentlemen? Terrific? Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: So what do you make of Hakeem Jeffrey's quote there
Speaker 4: and what is the reality of medicaid?
Speaker 5: Well, it underscores just how we can give anything to
Speaker 5: the government. This is this is why we can't have
Speaker 5: nice things. Right. So, in nineteen sixty five, the federal
Speaker 5: government passed Medicaran Medicaid, and specifically with respect to Medicaid,
Speaker 5: the whole idea was, man, we need a safety net
Speaker 5: for like single moms with disabled children who are falling
Speaker 5: through the cracks. We need we need this, this mechanism
Speaker 5: to just capture the most disadvantaged among us, to help
Speaker 5: them out and to give them to give them a lift. Right,
Speaker 5: So we did. And back when this was passed in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty five, it was designed to cover two percent
Speaker 5: of Americans two percent. Today it covers one in three
Speaker 5: Americans and forty one percent of all babies burst in our.
Speaker 2: Country, whoa forty one percent of babies born.
Speaker 4: So originally forty one line, the disabled, the utterly unable
Speaker 4: to help themselves, and now it is approaching half of us.
Speaker 4: Is that because we we have so many more single
Speaker 4: moms with blowing babies?
Speaker 2: Or what does that happen?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you get you know better than I Jack.
Speaker 5: This is entitlement creep government creep at its finest.
Speaker 2: I mean you.
Speaker 5: When this really took off and became insane was with
Speaker 5: Obamacare in the early you know, twenty teens. When Obamacare
Speaker 5: came into play, Obamacare was bribing the states because you know,
Speaker 5: the way this thing works, it's an agreement between the
Speaker 5: state and the federal government and they're shared financing, right,
Speaker 5: So the federal government couldn't just say to the states,
Speaker 5: you shall expand medicaid. But what the federal government did
Speaker 5: is said, hey, look if you expand medicaid to basically
Speaker 5: able bodied, working age people now because we'd already you know,
Speaker 5: had medicaid for all the other categories you just mentioned, Joe,
Speaker 5: the government said, look, if you do that, will we
Speaker 5: the federal government, will pay one hundred percent of it
Speaker 5: for some time, and then we'll pay ninety percent of it.
Speaker 5: So all but tens dates went ahead. And said, heck, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll take that deal. And so now with that, with
Speaker 5: that Medicaid expansion expansion that occurred with Obamacare, it's it's
Speaker 5: ninety percent paid for by federal tax payers, and it
Speaker 5: covers anywhere from eight million to fourteen million able bodied
Speaker 5: working adults or I should say able bodied adults, some
Speaker 5: of which are working, some of which aren't.
Speaker 4: And in a bizarre twist, correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 4: the federal government compensates the states at a much higher
Speaker 4: percentage for able bodied dudes smoking pot on their parents
Speaker 4: based on couch than they do for actual like disabled
Speaker 4: people in blind babies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. So that was the that
Speaker 5: was the Obamacare bribe because because Medicaid already covered all
Speaker 5: those people we were trying to protect, you know, when
Speaker 5: we started this thing in the sixties. So it covered
Speaker 5: all those people that had disabilities, single moms, et cetera,
Speaker 5: the blind, that disabled, but it didn't cover just underemployed
Speaker 5: or unemployed abled bodied adults. And so in order to
Speaker 5: get the states to agree to do that, the federal
Speaker 5: government had to say, look, we know that we're only
Speaker 5: paying you an average of fifty to sixty five cents
Speaker 5: on the dollar for your existing Medicaid, and we know
Speaker 5: that's not enough to get you the states to agree
Speaker 5: to go ahead and cover the adults. So we'll pay
Speaker 5: ninety to one hundred percent, starting at one hundred percent,
Speaker 5: dropping down to ninety percent. So, yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 5: If you are a twenty eight year old dude smoking
Speaker 5: pot in your mom and dad's basement right now, medicaid's
Speaker 5: paying ninety percent. The federal government's paying ninety percent of
Speaker 5: your Medicaid where it's only paying an average of sixty
Speaker 5: cents on the dollar in a state like California for
Speaker 5: a disabled mother with the child.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm thinking somebody I know specifically who is like
Speaker 4: a regular person with the job and is doing it
Speaker 4: the normal way, and there are incredible medical bills they
Speaker 4: got right now because they've had some health problems. That's
Speaker 4: very galling that they have these high medical bills with
Speaker 4: insurance and everything, as opposed to if you got on
Speaker 4: some sort of government plan, it'd all be covered. And Craig,
Speaker 4: I'm going to leave it up to your judgment how
Speaker 4: much you want to get into this, But there are
Speaker 4: all sorts of other perverse incentives that this law has
Speaker 4: caused states, you know, taxing hospitals to raise the amount spent,
Speaker 4: but then they get it back from the federal government,
Speaker 4: then they give it back to the hospitals.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's byzantine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let me just give you a couple of
Speaker 5: nuggets on the cost of it, just just because what's
Speaker 5: happened is employers pay two to three times the cost
Speaker 5: of a hospital visit, as Medicare and Medicaid do. So
Speaker 5: when you are on Medicare and Medicaid, you go to
Speaker 5: the hospital, you pay X. If you're on an employer
Speaker 5: sponsored plan, you pay two's the three times X.
Speaker 2: Wow, the state bills I was just talking about, thus
Speaker 2: the bills.
Speaker 5: But even with that reality, gentlemen, if you're on Medicare,
Speaker 5: that cost per taxpayer is about eleven thousand per year,
Speaker 5: if you're on Medicaid, it's ninety four hundred per year,
Speaker 5: and for employer sponsored people it's eighty seven hundred per year.
Speaker 5: So even with that, granted, employer sponsored covers generally younger,
Speaker 5: generally healthier, we get that, but even with this tremendous
Speaker 5: cost shift to the hospitals, it just underscores how inefficient
Speaker 5: these government programs are. When they passed Medicare. Now this
Speaker 5: is Medicare, not Medicaid. But they did all the financials
Speaker 5: together when they passed it in nineteen sixty seven, actually
Speaker 5: two years in, when they did an analysis on it,
Speaker 5: they said, hey, we think this is going to cost
Speaker 5: twelve billion by nineteen ninety, when in fact it cost
Speaker 5: one hundred billion. They were off a factor of eight.
Speaker 2: With medicare the bullet train of medicine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the bullet train of medicine. And now that
Speaker 5: there are some people making noises that, gee, we ought
Speaker 5: to trim back the edges a little bit and get
Speaker 5: these able bodied adults off of it, you of course
Speaker 5: get the grand standing of politicians, even those on the right,
Speaker 5: screaming that it's murder in the streets.
Speaker 2: So Medicare is the one we all get when we
Speaker 2: ty cynical it will.
Speaker 4: Medicare is the one we all get when we turn
Speaker 4: sixty five, But Medicaid is the one at the downtrodden
Speaker 4: earth or folks allegedly. Yeah, yeah, hey, Craig, I want
Speaker 4: to do the numbers you did for Medicaid too. So
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty seven, Congress projected that Medicaid would make
Speaker 4: special relief payments to hospitals of less than a billion
Speaker 4: dollars by nineteen ninety two under a billion dollars. The
Speaker 4: actual cost was seventeen billion, So they're seventeen times as high.
Speaker 4: I mean, if that doesn't tell you what you need
Speaker 4: to know about government entitlement programs and what they do inevitably, well,
Speaker 4: you're too stupid to understand it, don't I pity you.
Speaker 5: And that one was in a five year span. Joe,
Speaker 5: that was their eighty seven projection for ninety two. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't well. And one of the problems.
Speaker 4: One of the problems is, you know, all government programs grow,
Speaker 4: and you know the high cost of good intentions and
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. But in this case, you've
Speaker 4: got the added part that there's a bunch of people
Speaker 4: that want the government to run all of healthcare. So
Speaker 4: they loved they're push the expansion. It's not just like
Speaker 4: normal bureaucratic creep. They're pushing it. The more people cover,
Speaker 4: the more you can make the argument of well or
Speaker 4: already government healthcare anyway, Let's just flip the switch and
Speaker 4: go full on single payer.
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, and the single payer I'm just here
Speaker 5: to tell you the single payer path is a good
Speaker 5: thirty to fifty percent more expensive. Now those costs are
Speaker 5: hidden because of the way the money slashes around. But
Speaker 5: you've only got one payer of health care in America
Speaker 5: that actually cares what it costs, and that's employers.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 5: The insurance companies don't care because the way Obamacare is written,
Speaker 5: they need more claims to make more money. The government
Speaker 5: doesn't care because the more healthcare costs, the more budget
Speaker 5: they get to address the issue. The only policyholder, the
Speaker 5: only tax the only moneyed interest in this that actually cares,
Speaker 5: is an employer, and it's dramatically shrinking. Those of us
Speaker 5: that get healthcare at work is shrinking every year.
Speaker 4: I don't know how we ever get this fixed, Because
Speaker 4: you've probably been listening to know. I got whooping cough.
Speaker 4: So I've been to the doctor, like yeah, four or
Speaker 4: five times, eight different medications, all these different bills.
Speaker 2: Most of them tiny. I don't have the slightest idea
Speaker 2: what anything cost or I'll get a bill.
Speaker 4: I know, I'll get a bill in a month for
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty bucks or five hundred eighty bucks,
Speaker 4: I don't know, and then I'll just pay it. And
Speaker 4: nobody has any idea. And the randomness of those of
Speaker 4: us who have employee, you know, insurance, we don't know
Speaker 4: if we're getting ripped off or good price or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it's it's complicated, really discouraging, Go ahead, Craig.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's it's not health jack by the you
Speaker 5: know a lot of people think that, hey, I have
Speaker 5: Purple Cross as my insurance, and so whether I go
Speaker 5: to Stanford or El Camino or good Sam for this
Speaker 5: particular shoulder surgery should be about the same price because
Speaker 5: I have a Purple Cross PPO contract. Right, It's not
Speaker 5: you can pay ten thousand for that shoulder surgery or
Speaker 5: fifty thousand for that shoulder surgery with the same exact
Speaker 5: insurance card. It's utterly insane what's happening in the commercial
Speaker 5: market because government has crept into this unholy alliance with
Speaker 5: the commercial payers, and so you have this, you have
Speaker 5: a situation where it's crony capitalism at its absolute worst.
Speaker 5: You know we're talking about and we can tease for
Speaker 5: a future visit, but there are ways to get around this,
Speaker 5: but relying on the government or this large commercial sector
Speaker 5: is going to kill us. And when I say the
Speaker 5: commercial sector, I mean the fully insured carriers. Employer sponsored plans,
Speaker 5: self funded employer sponsored plans are the way to go.
Speaker 5: It's the only way to beat this and beat it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking to Craig Gottwal's Craig, the healthcare guru. Craig.
Speaker 4: I feel like at this point in the interview we
Speaker 4: ought to give people the local suicide hotline number.
Speaker 2: I mean, because it's so discouraging.
Speaker 4: So we've you know, described this incredible, mountainous, wasteful, enormously
Speaker 4: expensive government program out of control. And if you, as
Speaker 4: say a Republican a Chip Roy, for instance, say hey,
Speaker 4: can we have thirty five year old guy smoking pawn
Speaker 4: on his parents' couch, please pay a thirty five dollars
Speaker 4: copay when he goes to the doctor, you have Hakeem
Speaker 4: Jeffrey screaming you're literally taking healthcare away from millions of Americans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's one problem, though, the other problem is you
Speaker 4: that's a Democrat. He got Josh Howey, a Republican writing
Speaker 4: an opera, and Molly has lost his soul I hope
Speaker 4: he gets hit by a car ab horror violence. Josh
Speaker 4: Holley writes, I think in the New York Times last week.
Speaker 4: You know Republicans, hey do not cut any of this.
Speaker 4: It's a bad political move. So where does that leave you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It you.
Speaker 5: At this point, gentlemen, I put my head down. I
Speaker 5: don't even listen to the big the big picture anymore,
Speaker 5: and I just try and help one employer at a time.
Speaker 5: And I get individuals that contact me and they asked
Speaker 5: me what do I do?
Speaker 2: And I say, buy is a little little sick.
Speaker 5: The highest deductible, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Don't get sick is your recommendation.
Speaker 5: Don't get sick, but find a doctor, find a doctor
Speaker 5: who's left the system, and engage in something called direct
Speaker 5: primary care, where you give them anywhere from seventy five
Speaker 5: to two hundred dollars a month, you treat, you work
Speaker 5: with them, and then god forbid, you have something giant happen.
Speaker 5: You have the highest deductible you can stomach to go.
Speaker 2: Deal with that issue.
Speaker 5: But you've got to cut insurance and government payments out
Speaker 5: as much as you can and work directly with doctors.
Speaker 5: And the good news is that system is growing gentlemen,
Speaker 5: I call the doctors every week that are leaving the
Speaker 5: system and going direct pay with individuals and not the
Speaker 5: three hundred and fifty dollars concierge model, but like doing
Speaker 5: this for one hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 4: Well, I love the idea of starting at that point
Speaker 4: in our next conversation with you, Craig, and talking about that,
Speaker 4: because one of the things I was going to bring
Speaker 4: up if we have time, and we don't unfortunately, but
Speaker 4: some of the unholy vertical integration of the giant healthcare
Speaker 4: companies where they own the doctor, they own the hospital,
Speaker 4: they own the pharmacy, they own the pharmacy benefit manager,
Speaker 4: which is an unholy, murky cesspool of God knows where
Speaker 4: the money goes. And so yeah, the idea of checking
Speaker 4: out of that system, I love it. Let's let's let's
Speaker 4: talk off the air. Will schedule you to come back
Speaker 4: because I think it'd be great for the good folks.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, gentlemen, have a wonderful day. Yeah, thanks, Craig.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the time, Craig. You have to come on all
Speaker 2: the time and bear bad news.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, yeah, I just you know, as
Speaker 4: a realist, you've unlike the Biden family, the one thing
Speaker 4: you must do is understand reality or or your you'relice.
Speaker 4: I've been saying too Craig, and he usually agrees for years.
Speaker 4: I think the realist view is we're going to end
Speaker 4: up single payer healthcare. Uh, it's just when, When does it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I suppose so.
Speaker 4: But in every single health single payer healthcare system, people
Speaker 4: who can afford it go outside, right right, got to
Speaker 4: learn those ropes. Yeah, hang it, don't folks, it'll be okay.
Speaker 4: Don't get sick. Just don't get sick or break anything.
Speaker 4: That's the answer.
Speaker 2: Stay here.
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Speaker 4: So they've been a couple of great government works, things
Speaker 4: that got out of control and cost gazillions of dollars
Speaker 4: and never got finished.
Speaker 2: In my lifetime.
Speaker 4: I remember Boston's a big dig hearing about that my
Speaker 4: whole life. Decades and decades and decades of wasting tons
Speaker 4: of money, Alaska's famous Bridge to Nowhere. But they're all
Speaker 4: paling in comparison to California's high speed rail project, which
Speaker 4: goes back to two thousand and eight. And if it's
Speaker 4: not already at the end of the day, will be
Speaker 4: the biggest government sinkhole of bureaucracy and waste as an
Speaker 4: example of how democracy keys can fail in our nation's history.
Speaker 2: And it's probably already been Richmond too. I must part
Speaker 2: of the reason it's getting a bunch of a national attention.
Speaker 4: Now. New York Times did a story last Sunday, the
Speaker 4: Associated presses on it, and the Dispatch did a story yesterday.
Speaker 4: Is the CHSR, that's the California High Speed Rail Authority.
Speaker 4: They put out new numbers just recently, and their own
Speaker 4: new numbers have now increased the total cost to one
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five billion dollars. When taxpayers agreed to this,
Speaker 4: it was thirty three billion. It's now one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty five billion. It's more than one hundred billion dollars
Speaker 4: more than originally proposed it was. We were supposed to
Speaker 4: be writing it five years ago. It's supposed to be
Speaker 4: done in twenty twenty. I have not written in a
Speaker 4: view they're now saying it comes anywhere near the original promise.
Speaker 4: It will be north of two hundred billion dollars, mark
Speaker 4: my words. And they said in their most recent statement,
Speaker 4: it may take two more decades to complete most of
Speaker 4: the San Francisco Los Angeles segment, two more decades to
Speaker 4: complete most, So they're not even saying in two decades
Speaker 4: they can complete.
Speaker 2: It, right.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know about travel, but
Speaker 4: you really need the whole thing. Like if I'm going
Speaker 4: to New York this summer, I need to get all
Speaker 4: the way there. Most of the way doesn't do any good.
Speaker 4: It's either get you to Indianapolis. It's really an all
Speaker 4: or nothing proposition whenever you travel somewhere, Am I going
Speaker 4: there or not? But I thought this was really interesting
Speaker 4: and I can't believe this hasn't gotten more attention.
Speaker 2: This is from the chsra's own plan.
Speaker 4: It is now going to connect to towns on the
Speaker 4: outskirts of both major metros. It's not gonna take you
Speaker 4: from San Francisco to Los Angeles. It's gonna take you
Speaker 4: from Gilroy, which if you live in the area, you
Speaker 4: know very close to San Francisco, and.
Speaker 2: That is the outskirts of the outskirts of the Outo.
Speaker 4: It's seventy miles southeast of San Francisco to Chail. It
Speaker 4: will take you just under two hours to drive from
Speaker 4: Gilroy to San Francisco as we speak, to Palmdale, which
Speaker 4: is thirty seven miles northeast of the edge of Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: and in Los Angeles traffic, it would take you several
Speaker 4: hours to make that drive. So instead of the city centers,
Speaker 4: it's going to take you from Gilroy to Palmdale. That
Speaker 4: will save construction time and money, but it will need
Speaker 4: mean the writers will need another hour or more to
Speaker 4: get into the cities. That is an incredibly generous statement.
Speaker 4: I would say a minimum of three to four hours
Speaker 4: on a good day, all told an hour and a
Speaker 4: quarter from Palmdale to LA right now, all told. Economist
Speaker 4: Scott Summer estimates that this new setup would require at
Speaker 4: least a seven hour series of trains or cars for
Speaker 4: someone to get from downtown San Francisco to downtown Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Instead of the original promised three hour one train trip
Speaker 4: and seven hours on the best, everything broke your way,
Speaker 4: it would take seven hours.
Speaker 2: It is the greatest failure of democracy I've ever witnessed.
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