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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Ketty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and he.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Strong. A new week headed into Memorial Day.

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Speaker 3: This could be a big week for your life today.

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Speaker 3: Today you're under the tutelage of our general manager.

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Speaker 4: The Republican Party, both Houses of Congress and the White House.

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Speaker 4: And they're going to grow the DEAFA sets and leave

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Speaker 4: bloated entitlements alone. What's the point anymore? Wow, I'm forming

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Speaker 4: a new political party. I've given up. Wow, coming out

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Speaker 4: of angry hot on a Monday exactly well offended, righteously angry.

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Speaker 4: Not like I lost my temper because I'm drunk angry.

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Speaker 4: No righteous indignation. It's a stupidity, that hypocrisy, the lack

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Speaker 4: of principle. I got three names a new party, So

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Speaker 4: not I lost my temper because I'm drunk angry, Like

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Speaker 4: that's the only other golf shot. Now I'm helicoptering my

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Speaker 4: club angry. No, this is righteous, biblical anger. How about

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Speaker 4: how about the door dash was so slow? By the

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Speaker 4: time the yogurt got to me, it was all melted

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Speaker 4: angry which I had. Yet that's legit to me. I

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Speaker 4: mean that pays for yogurt, you know, I expects it

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Speaker 4: to be nice and chili. All right, So I got

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Speaker 4: three possible names for a new political party.

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Speaker 2: I assume you'll join me on this question.

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Speaker 4: Angrytarians referencing my being pissed off enough is Enoughocrats?

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Speaker 2: Or finally, f y'all, that's pretty good too.

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Speaker 4: I'd wear that T shirt and whatever the flag looks like,

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Speaker 4: I'm flying it in the back of my truck.

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Speaker 2: F yolikins.

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Speaker 4: I thought the general manager would be Joe Biden's prostate.

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Speaker 2: No, no, an old man has cancer. It's no humor there.

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Speaker 4: It's just terrible. Doesn't have to be humorous. It's just

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Speaker 4: a big news story I adopted for Humer. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you something though, interesting wrinkle on this that just happened,

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Speaker 4: and I want to get to it before you hear

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Speaker 4: somewhere else. Do tell that came up on Morning Joe

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Speaker 4: with Joe Scarborough and he didn't state it outright, but

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Speaker 4: he was.

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Speaker 2: Certainly hinting at it strongly.

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Speaker 4: So it turns out according to the doctor they had, Well,

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Speaker 4: there's a whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I can say about this as a guy who had cancer.

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Speaker 4: The reporting on everything that happens in the mainstream news

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Speaker 4: is so horrible, but as usual that there there are

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Speaker 4: a number of things I keep hearing over and over again.

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Speaker 4: They keep saying an aggressive cancer as if that absolutely

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Speaker 2: Having had concert and talk to doctors before, uh, back

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Speaker 4: Day, many many many years ago, in general, aggressive was

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Speaker 4: bad and not aggressive was good, but not anymore. My

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Speaker 4: cancer was worse because it was not aggressive, because I

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Speaker 4: found fascinating at the time. Yeah, because it wouldn't take

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Speaker 4: the bait, as my doctor said, you're trying to poison

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Speaker 4: the cancer with the chemotherapy, and it wouldn't take the bait,

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Speaker 4: like trying to catch a rat with you know, brat poison.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't take the bait because it was so slow

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Speaker 4: moving and aggressive cancer. He told me, well, grasp on

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Speaker 4: to the we're gonna get you, and grasp on to

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Speaker 4: the poison and die faster. So often that is better,

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Speaker 4: so that that using that word every single time in

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Speaker 4: every story is meaningless.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, let's start there. I'm exciting.

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Speaker 4: But the interesting thing is that I learned from from

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Speaker 4: Scarborough's show today, and again this is what they kept

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Speaker 2: He's had it for probably.

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Speaker 4: A decade at least through his presidency, absolutely minimum several years,

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Speaker 2: And it's impossible they either.

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Speaker 4: Well almost certainly, they just didn't test for it, or

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Speaker 4: decides what to reveal from that presidential exam, what not

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Speaker 4: to reveal it.

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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate.

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Speaker 4: This tells us nothing possible that they did that, although

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Speaker 2: Every year for many, many, many years.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because the president, you know, gets a yearly

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Speaker 4: what I think Scarborough was him. It's just his overall

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Speaker 2: They just didn't test for things.

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Speaker 4: They just didn't ask any questions about anything because it

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Speaker 4: I think that is by far the most likely theory,

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Speaker 4: and I hate to steal the thunder of our own featurette,

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Speaker 4: going to include in mailbag. Later on in the hour,

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Speaker 4: he says, Hey, guys, do you remember that speech where

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Speaker 4: President Biden randomly said I just found I have out

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Speaker 4: I have cancer or something like that. Then he moved

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, although he accidentally let it slip. Although

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Speaker 4: there's no way he just found out he had cancer

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Speaker 4: because he's had it for a very very long time.

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Speaker 4: But Christmas they just gave him a PSA test for

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Speaker 4: the first time ever. Possibly although we're going to play

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Speaker 4: some of the her tapes later. He didn't know when

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Speaker 4: died by years, So him saying I just found out

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Speaker 4: have been him remembering from ten years ago. But I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about his brain. The fact that you know him

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Speaker 4: having prostate cancer and hiding it or whatever. I find

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Speaker 2: Story actually, But the fact that it fits in with.

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Speaker 4: Just the overall ignoring everything about his body and brain.

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Speaker 4: I think got pretty interesting, oh on how widespread the

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Speaker 4: knowledge was. And I've read a great piece we'll share

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Speaker 4: it with you later about why this all matters.

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Speaker 4: This is not just looking in the rear view mirror

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Speaker 4: and kicking Democrats for the fun of it. This is

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Speaker 4: one of the great cover ups in American history.

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Speaker 2: All Right.

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Speaker 4: Mark Alper keeps making it about the media, which I

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Speaker 4: think is a good thing. It's the biggest failure of

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Speaker 4: the media ever. Period. I don't know what second place

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Speaker 4: would be biggest failure of the media period. And again,

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Speaker 4: I just think it's mostly interesting from me hiding his

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Speaker 2: And over the weekend, Maureen Dowd in the New York Times, who's.

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Speaker 4: The guy they always quoted in the Washington Post, senior man,

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Speaker 4: We had him on the show when we were out

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Speaker 4: just it's absolutely amazing. But wow, so I wonder, see

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Speaker 4: he got crazy Jill involved. You got to go to

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Speaker 2: They might have just been saying, no, Dad, honey, no tests.

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Speaker 4: Let's just do no tests, no tests about anything, and

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Speaker 4: then then we don't have to lie, and then we

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Speaker 4: is gratifying and somewhat shocking to look back and see

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Speaker 4: how right we were about all of this, not that

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Speaker 4: we had any unique knowledge. Look at the polls at

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Speaker 4: the time. And I say this not to pat ourselves

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Speaker 4: on the back, but virtually everything we said about Jill

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Speaker 2: Evil doer in this. You can tell doctor Jill not

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Speaker 4: Oh she's a crazy person.

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Speaker 2: She's say for real crazy person. Yes, she is absolutely unhinged.

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Speaker 4: But everybody in the cabinet who knew and was silence

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Speaker 4: or denied it vociferously. Chuck Schumer, who's a congenital liar.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why anybody ever listens to him on

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Speaker 4: did it. You know, mayor Pete. You know, all of

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Speaker 2: We cannot just let them get away with it. They

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Speaker 2: should never be in office again. They should never be

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Speaker 2: entrusted with power again. God, who's the guy I don't

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Speaker 4: He's the chair of the Armed Services Committee, like you know,

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Speaker 4: a big committee. Never talked to Joe Biden once, right,

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Speaker 4: which is just incredible. Well because he in previous administrations

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Speaker 4: the important Defense Committee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you would. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, there's a lot on that and Joe Biden's prostect.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hope they get him a treatment and

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Speaker 4: Oh he's come on, he's on D S D anyway,

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Speaker 4: true that.

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Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, more Jack Morgoe.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts and our hotlinks, the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 2: You say a lot that's in some of your song lyrics.

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Speaker 2: You want to tell us what it.

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Speaker 6: U Mia, it means either live your culture or you

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Speaker 2: And there's no in between. So I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: up every day and I'm going to live my culture today?

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Speaker 4: What was that nonsense? He was muttering in the middle.

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Speaker 4: That was French, Jack, it's a language. That was Jordan Thibodeau,

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Speaker 4: who was featured on sixty Minutes as part of a

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Speaker 4: really interesting segment about essentially Cajun and similar music in

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Speaker 4: that culture. I thought that was a really interesting statement,

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Speaker 4: you either live your culture or kill your culture, especially

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Speaker 4: because I was corresponding with a friend of mine about

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Speaker 4: sent along some commentary about.

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Speaker 2: Have you been brushing up in your English to get

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Speaker 4: Hilarious, And it was a commentary on how Britain and Europe,

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Speaker 4: having permitted rampant immigration that nobody voted for but the

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Speaker 4: something we've talked about several times. But and pointing out

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Speaker 4: in Britain are all Muslims, inexplicably because they're still a

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Speaker 4: fairly small minority, but there are hundreds of Sharia councils,

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Speaker 2: And I found that really intriguing.

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Speaker 4: Which way to Buckingham Palace right over there?

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Speaker 2: Which way over there? Over there? Why are you talking

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Speaker 2: like that?

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Speaker 4: So I was for whatever reason that came within twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours of hearing mister Thibadeau talking about you live

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Speaker 4: your culture or you kill your culture. I always remember

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Speaker 4: when I read the giant biography of Pope John Paul

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Speaker 4: the Second, he was constantly saying languages culture, talking about

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Speaker 2: And if the language dies out, that culture has died out.

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Speaker 2: And if you can and.

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Speaker 4: That's why, that's why Russia goes in and forces people

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Speaker 1: See Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah or Jack your show

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Speaker 6: They literally are trying to take healthcare away from millions

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god. It's a party of monsters.

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Speaker 4: So what do you make of Hakeem Jeffrey's quote there

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Speaker 5: So even with that, granted, employer sponsored covers generally younger,

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Speaker 5: generally healthier, we get that, but even with this tremendous

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Speaker 5: cost shift to the hospitals, it just underscores how inefficient

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Speaker 5: these government programs are. When they passed Medicare. Now this

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Speaker 5: is Medicare, not Medicaid. But they did all the financials

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Speaker 5: together when they passed it in nineteen sixty seven, actually

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Speaker 5: two years in, when they did an analysis on it,

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Speaker 5: they said, hey, we think this is going to cost

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Speaker 5: twelve billion by nineteen ninety, when in fact it cost

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Speaker 5: one hundred billion. They were off a factor of eight.

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Speaker 2: With medicare the bullet train of medicine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the bullet train of medicine. And now that

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Speaker 5: there are some people making noises that, gee, we ought

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Speaker 5: to trim back the edges a little bit and get

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Speaker 5: these able bodied adults off of it, you of course

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Speaker 5: get the grand standing of politicians, even those on the right,

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Speaker 5: screaming that it's murder in the streets.

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Speaker 2: So Medicare is the one we all get when we

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Speaker 2: ty cynical it will.

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Speaker 4: Medicare is the one we all get when we turn

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Speaker 4: sixty five, But Medicaid is the one at the downtrodden

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Speaker 4: earth or folks allegedly. Yeah, yeah, hey, Craig, I want

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Speaker 4: to do the numbers you did for Medicaid too. So

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Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty seven, Congress projected that Medicaid would make

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Speaker 4: special relief payments to hospitals of less than a billion

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Speaker 4: dollars by nineteen ninety two under a billion dollars. The

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Speaker 4: actual cost was seventeen billion, So they're seventeen times as high.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if that doesn't tell you what you need

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Speaker 4: to know about government entitlement programs and what they do inevitably, well,

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Speaker 4: you're too stupid to understand it, don't I pity you.

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Speaker 5: And that one was in a five year span. Joe,

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Speaker 5: that was their eighty seven projection for ninety two. Oh

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Speaker 5: my god, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't well. And one of the problems.

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Speaker 4: One of the problems is, you know, all government programs grow,

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Speaker 4: and you know the high cost of good intentions and

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Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. But in this case, you've

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Speaker 4: got the added part that there's a bunch of people

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Speaker 4: that want the government to run all of healthcare. So

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Speaker 4: they loved they're push the expansion. It's not just like

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Speaker 4: normal bureaucratic creep. They're pushing it. The more people cover,

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Speaker 4: the more you can make the argument of well or

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Speaker 4: already government healthcare anyway, Let's just flip the switch and

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Speaker 4: go full on single payer.

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, and the single payer I'm just here

484
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Speaker 5: to tell you the single payer path is a good

485
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Speaker 5: thirty to fifty percent more expensive. Now those costs are

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Speaker 5: hidden because of the way the money slashes around. But

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Speaker 5: you've only got one payer of health care in America

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Speaker 5: that actually cares what it costs, and that's employers.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 5: The insurance companies don't care because the way Obamacare is written,

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Speaker 5: they need more claims to make more money. The government

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Speaker 5: doesn't care because the more healthcare costs, the more budget

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Speaker 5: they get to address the issue. The only policyholder, the

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Speaker 5: only tax the only moneyed interest in this that actually cares,

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Speaker 5: is an employer, and it's dramatically shrinking. Those of us

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Speaker 5: that get healthcare at work is shrinking every year.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how we ever get this fixed, Because

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Speaker 4: you've probably been listening to know. I got whooping cough.

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Speaker 4: So I've been to the doctor, like yeah, four or

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Speaker 4: five times, eight different medications, all these different bills.

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Speaker 2: Most of them tiny. I don't have the slightest idea

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Speaker 2: what anything cost or I'll get a bill.

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Speaker 4: I know, I'll get a bill in a month for

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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty bucks or five hundred eighty bucks,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and then I'll just pay it. And

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Speaker 4: nobody has any idea. And the randomness of those of

507
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 4: us who have employee, you know, insurance, we don't know

508
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Speaker 4: if we're getting ripped off or good price or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's complicated, really discouraging, Go ahead, Craig.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's it's not health jack by the you

511
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Speaker 5: know a lot of people think that, hey, I have

512
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Speaker 5: Purple Cross as my insurance, and so whether I go

513
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Speaker 5: to Stanford or El Camino or good Sam for this

514
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Speaker 5: particular shoulder surgery should be about the same price because

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Speaker 5: I have a Purple Cross PPO contract. Right, It's not

516
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Speaker 5: you can pay ten thousand for that shoulder surgery or

517
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Speaker 5: fifty thousand for that shoulder surgery with the same exact

518
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Speaker 5: insurance card. It's utterly insane what's happening in the commercial

519
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Speaker 5: market because government has crept into this unholy alliance with

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Speaker 5: the commercial payers, and so you have this, you have

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Speaker 5: a situation where it's crony capitalism at its absolute worst.

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Speaker 5: You know we're talking about and we can tease for

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Speaker 5: a future visit, but there are ways to get around this,

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Speaker 5: but relying on the government or this large commercial sector

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Speaker 5: is going to kill us. And when I say the

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Speaker 5: commercial sector, I mean the fully insured carriers. Employer sponsored plans,

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Speaker 5: self funded employer sponsored plans are the way to go.

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Speaker 5: It's the only way to beat this and beat it back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking to Craig Gottwal's Craig, the healthcare guru. Craig.

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Speaker 4: I feel like at this point in the interview we

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Speaker 4: ought to give people the local suicide hotline number.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because it's so discouraging.

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Speaker 4: So we've you know, described this incredible, mountainous, wasteful, enormously

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Speaker 4: expensive government program out of control. And if you, as

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Speaker 4: say a Republican a Chip Roy, for instance, say hey,

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Speaker 4: can we have thirty five year old guy smoking pawn

537
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Speaker 4: on his parents' couch, please pay a thirty five dollars

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Speaker 4: copay when he goes to the doctor, you have Hakeem

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey screaming you're literally taking healthcare away from millions of Americans. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's that's one problem, though, the other problem is you

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Speaker 4: that's a Democrat. He got Josh Howey, a Republican writing

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Speaker 4: an opera, and Molly has lost his soul I hope

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Speaker 4: he gets hit by a car ab horror violence. Josh

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Speaker 4: Holley writes, I think in the New York Times last week.

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Speaker 4: You know Republicans, hey do not cut any of this.

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Speaker 4: It's a bad political move. So where does that leave you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It you.

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Speaker 5: At this point, gentlemen, I put my head down. I

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Speaker 5: don't even listen to the big the big picture anymore,

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Speaker 5: and I just try and help one employer at a time.

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Speaker 5: And I get individuals that contact me and they asked

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Speaker 5: me what do I do?

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Speaker 2: And I say, buy is a little little sick.

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Speaker 5: The highest deductible, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Don't get sick is your recommendation.

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Speaker 5: Don't get sick, but find a doctor, find a doctor

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Speaker 5: who's left the system, and engage in something called direct

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Speaker 5: primary care, where you give them anywhere from seventy five

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Speaker 5: to two hundred dollars a month, you treat, you work

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Speaker 5: with them, and then god forbid, you have something giant happen.

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Speaker 5: You have the highest deductible you can stomach to go.

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Speaker 2: Deal with that issue.

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Speaker 5: But you've got to cut insurance and government payments out

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Speaker 5: as much as you can and work directly with doctors.

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Speaker 5: And the good news is that system is growing gentlemen,

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Speaker 5: I call the doctors every week that are leaving the

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Speaker 5: system and going direct pay with individuals and not the

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Speaker 5: three hundred and fifty dollars concierge model, but like doing

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Speaker 5: this for one hundred dollars a month.

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Speaker 2: Literally.

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Speaker 4: Well, I love the idea of starting at that point

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Speaker 4: in our next conversation with you, Craig, and talking about that,

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Speaker 4: because one of the things I was going to bring

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Speaker 4: up if we have time, and we don't unfortunately, but

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Speaker 4: some of the unholy vertical integration of the giant healthcare

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Speaker 4: companies where they own the doctor, they own the hospital,

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Speaker 4: they own the pharmacy, they own the pharmacy benefit manager,

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Speaker 4: which is an unholy, murky cesspool of God knows where

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Speaker 4: the money goes. And so yeah, the idea of checking

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Speaker 4: out of that system, I love it. Let's let's let's

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Speaker 4: talk off the air. Will schedule you to come back

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Speaker 4: because I think it'd be great for the good folks.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great, gentlemen, have a wonderful day. Yeah, thanks, Craig.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the time, Craig. You have to come on all

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Speaker 2: the time and bear bad news.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's like, yeah, I just you know, as

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Speaker 4: a realist, you've unlike the Biden family, the one thing

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00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: you must do is understand reality or or your you'relice.

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Speaker 4: I've been saying too Craig, and he usually agrees for years.

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Speaker 4: I think the realist view is we're going to end

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Speaker 4: up single payer healthcare. Uh, it's just when, When does it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I suppose so.

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Speaker 4: But in every single health single payer healthcare system, people

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Speaker 4: who can afford it go outside, right right, got to

596
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 4: learn those ropes. Yeah, hang it, don't folks, it'll be okay.

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00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: Don't get sick. Just don't get sick or break anything.

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Speaker 4: That's the answer.

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Speaker 2: Stay here.

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Speaker 1: It's Jack, Armstrong and Joe, the Armstrong and Getty Show,

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Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 4: So they've been a couple of great government works, things

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Speaker 4: that got out of control and cost gazillions of dollars

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Speaker 4: and never got finished.

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Speaker 2: In my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: I remember Boston's a big dig hearing about that my

607
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Speaker 4: whole life. Decades and decades and decades of wasting tons

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Speaker 4: of money, Alaska's famous Bridge to Nowhere. But they're all

609
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Speaker 4: paling in comparison to California's high speed rail project, which

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Speaker 4: goes back to two thousand and eight. And if it's

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Speaker 4: not already at the end of the day, will be

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Speaker 4: the biggest government sinkhole of bureaucracy and waste as an

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Speaker 4: example of how democracy keys can fail in our nation's history.

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Speaker 2: And it's probably already been Richmond too. I must part

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Speaker 2: of the reason it's getting a bunch of a national attention.

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Speaker 4: Now. New York Times did a story last Sunday, the

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Speaker 4: Associated presses on it, and the Dispatch did a story yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Is the CHSR, that's the California High Speed Rail Authority.

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Speaker 4: They put out new numbers just recently, and their own

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Speaker 4: new numbers have now increased the total cost to one

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five billion dollars. When taxpayers agreed to this,

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Speaker 4: it was thirty three billion. It's now one hundred and

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Speaker 4: thirty five billion. It's more than one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 4: more than originally proposed it was. We were supposed to

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Speaker 4: be writing it five years ago. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 4: done in twenty twenty. I have not written in a

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Speaker 4: view they're now saying it comes anywhere near the original promise.

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Speaker 4: It will be north of two hundred billion dollars, mark

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Speaker 4: my words. And they said in their most recent statement,

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Speaker 4: it may take two more decades to complete most of

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Speaker 4: the San Francisco Los Angeles segment, two more decades to

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Speaker 4: complete most, So they're not even saying in two decades

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Speaker 4: they can complete.

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Speaker 2: It, right.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know about travel, but

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Speaker 4: you really need the whole thing. Like if I'm going

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Speaker 4: to New York this summer, I need to get all

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Speaker 4: the way there. Most of the way doesn't do any good.

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00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: It's either get you to Indianapolis. It's really an all

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Speaker 4: or nothing proposition whenever you travel somewhere, Am I going

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Speaker 4: there or not? But I thought this was really interesting

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Speaker 4: and I can't believe this hasn't gotten more attention.

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Speaker 2: This is from the chsra's own plan.

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Speaker 4: It is now going to connect to towns on the

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Speaker 4: outskirts of both major metros. It's not gonna take you

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Speaker 4: from San Francisco to Los Angeles. It's gonna take you

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Speaker 4: from Gilroy, which if you live in the area, you

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Speaker 4: know very close to San Francisco, and.

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Speaker 2: That is the outskirts of the outskirts of the Outo.

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Speaker 4: It's seventy miles southeast of San Francisco to Chail. It

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Speaker 4: will take you just under two hours to drive from

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Speaker 4: Gilroy to San Francisco as we speak, to Palmdale, which

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Speaker 4: is thirty seven miles northeast of the edge of Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: and in Los Angeles traffic, it would take you several

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Speaker 4: hours to make that drive. So instead of the city centers,

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Speaker 4: it's going to take you from Gilroy to Palmdale. That

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Speaker 4: will save construction time and money, but it will need

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Speaker 4: mean the writers will need another hour or more to

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Speaker 4: get into the cities. That is an incredibly generous statement.

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Speaker 4: I would say a minimum of three to four hours

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Speaker 4: on a good day, all told an hour and a

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Speaker 4: quarter from Palmdale to LA right now, all told. Economist

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Speaker 4: Scott Summer estimates that this new setup would require at

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Speaker 4: least a seven hour series of trains or cars for

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Speaker 4: someone to get from downtown San Francisco to downtown Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Instead of the original promised three hour one train trip

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Speaker 4: and seven hours on the best, everything broke your way,

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Speaker 4: it would take seven hours.

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Speaker 2: It is the greatest failure of democracy I've ever witnessed.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty