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Speaker 1: right now, can I don't know if you know this,

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Speaker 1: I guess an argument there. Those are some other guys,

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Speaker 1: for holding. It's not just James Hurst who and Ryan

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Speaker 1: but there's plenty of blame to go around across the

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Speaker 1: entire office. The wager has got called for holding a time.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been just one guy. Yeah, um, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've they've got to get the holding worked out, Garrett.

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Speaker 1: If like we're just it's been really a pretty down

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Speaker 1: downhill from there. It has been. I don't disagree. So

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Speaker 1: what's something to be happy about? Well, I already brought

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Speaker 1: him up. I'll say Terence West. Okay, Terence West is

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Speaker 1: because he's been a starter. I think he can be

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Speaker 1: mot of rotational back. I'd like to get my touches.

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Speaker 1: He kind of is right. I feel like that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he gets better as the game goes along.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna break something. You gotta keep feeding him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He's got a knack for the end zone

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Speaker 1: draft him on your fantasy team? I didn't. I should have.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you? No excuses, Garrett, I hate fantasy stupid

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Speaker 1: move along it because he seems stinks. I'll say what

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Speaker 1: I'm happy about is the turnovers. And that was a

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Speaker 1: last year, five interceptions the entire year. Uh. This year

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Speaker 1: they have to Now they have to turn those turnovers.

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Speaker 1: The office has to. Yeah, I gotta turn those into wins.

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Speaker 1: Got a TOURNAMENTO points. Well, here's a little more another

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Speaker 1: factory for you here, Garrett. The last time the Ravens

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Speaker 1: kind of record that you don't want to compete with

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Speaker 1: don't want to break. You get three turnovers, don't give

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Speaker 1: it up at all, and you lose. I know that

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Speaker 1: breaks every code in football. You know. If you don't

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Speaker 1: turn the ball over on the road, if you have

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Speaker 1: a good running game, then you generally win. And the

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Speaker 1: the difference that is Odell Beckham Jr. I was so

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Speaker 1: sick and tired of that stupid net celebration he was doing.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are gonna be glad

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Speaker 1: that the Ravenson have to see him for a few

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Speaker 1: more years after this. Very true, very true. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening everybody. We will have John Herschel on

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Speaker 1: the podcast that'll probably get posted Wednesday. Keep an eye

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Speaker 1: off for our Wednesday night and I'll be ready for

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Speaker 1: you for your morning commute at least on Thursday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it'll be very good, and as always, make sure you rate,

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Speaker 1: review and email us at the lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 1: NFL dot net. I promise we'll we'll get to some

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Speaker 1: more domestic emails and some international two. We got one

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Speaker 1: from South Korea and it's crazy awesome, So thank you.

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Speaker 1: For listening, and we'll be back with you later this week.